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Clinton, Trump Clash In Nasty, Personal Face-Off; Trump On Lewd Comments: This Was Locker Room Talk; Haiti Struggles To Recover From Hurricane Matthew; U.S. Warship Nearly Hit By Missiles Near Yemen's Coast; Samsung Suspends Production of Galaxy Note 7; Clinton, Trump Debate Russia, Syria Policy. Aired 1-2a ET

Aired October 10, 2016 - 01:00   ET

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[01:00:15] ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN ANCHOR: On the attack, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton faced off in the second of three Presidential Debates.

GEORGE HOWELL, CNN ANCHOR: And things got ugly very quickly.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: That was locker room talk. I'm not proud of it.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He has said that the video doesn't represent who he is. But I think it's clear to anyone who heard it that it represents exactly who he is. It's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in our country.

TRUMP: Because you'd be in jail.

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HOWELL: From CNN World Headquarters in Atlanta, welcome to our viewers around the world. I'm George Howell.

CHURCH: And I'm Rosemary Church. This is CNN NEWSROOM.

HOWELL: Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton met in their second U.S. Presidential Debate Sunday night, and fair to say, this was a brawl. In fact, the two candidates skipped the usual handshake right at the start of the debate. It got ugly from there. Both Trump and Clinton lobbing insults at one another.

CHURCH: The Town Hall format allowed some undecided voters to ask the candidates questions directly, though, the answers they got back were decidedly less direct. A CNN Poll of Debate Watchers, say Clinton won by a margin of 57 percent to 34 percent, and here are some of the night's top moments.

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CLINTON: It's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in our country. TRUMP: Because you'd be in jail. I didn't think I'd say this, but I'm going to say it, and I hate to say it, but if I win, I am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation, because there has never been so many lies, so much deception. There has never been anything like it.

CLINTON: I'm sorry, I have to keep saying this, but he lives in an alternative reality. And it is sort of amusing to hear somebody who hasn't paid federal income taxes in maybe 20 years, talking about what he's going to do.

TRUMP: If you look at Bill Clinton, far worse, minor words, and his was action. His was what he's done to women. There has never been anybody in the history of politics in this nation that's been so abusive to women. So, you can say any way you want to say it, but Bill Clinton was abusive to women. Hillary Clinton attacked those same women and attacked them viciously.

CLINTON: He never apologized to the reporter that he mimicked and mocked on national television, and our children were watching. And he never apologized for the racist lie that President Obama was not born in the United States of America. He owes the president an apology, he owes our country an apology. And he needs to take responsibility for his actions and his words. You can look at the propaganda on a lot of the terrorist sites, and what Donald Trump says about Muslims is used to recruit fighters, because they want to create a war between us. And the final thing I will say, this is the 10th or 12th time that he's denied being for the war in Iraq. We have it on tape. The entire press corps has looked at it. It's been debunked but it never stops him from saying whatever he wants to say.

TRUMP: Has not been debunked.

CLINTON: So, please stop --

TRUMP: Has not been debunked. And I was against -- I was against --

CLINTON: Go to HillaryClinton.com and you can see it.

TRUMP: I was against the war in Iraq has not been debunked, and you voted for it, and you shouldn't have. It's called extreme vetting. We are going to areas like Syria, where they're coming in by the tens of thousands because of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton wants to allow a 550 percent increase over Obama. People are coming into our country, like we have no idea who they are, where they're from, what their feelings about our country is. And she wants 550 percent more. This is going to be the great Trojan horse of all-time.

CLINTON: If he wants to start, he can start.

TRUMP: No, go ahead, Hillary.

CLINTON: No, go ahead, Donald.

TRUMP: No, I'm a gentleman, Hillary.

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HOWELL: That might have been one of the nice moments during that debate, but that might have been it. Right after the debate, Hillary Clinton spoke to reporters on her plane and the criticism of Donald Trump, they continued.

CHURCH: Yeah, she accused her Republican rival of playing fast and loose with the facts. Take a listen.

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CLINTON: Nothing surprises me about him, really, Dan. I was surprised by the absolute avalanche of falsehoods. I mean, I really find it almost unimaginable that someone can stand and just tell, you know, a falsehood after a falsehood.

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CHURCH: And hours before the debate, Donald Trump made a surprise appearance with several women who have accused Bill Clinton of sexual misconduct.

HOWELL: Those women also attended the debate at Trump's invitation. At Sunday's news conference, Donald Trump, who has been under fire for vulgar comments that surfaced in 2005, a video about women that -- were disgusted women, he called these women very courageous for being there.

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TRUMP: These four very courageous women have asked to be here. And it was an honor to help them.

JUANITA BROADDRICK, FORMER NURSING HOME ADMINISTRATOR FROM ARKANSAS: I'm Juanita Broaddrick. And I'm here to support Donald Trump. I tweeted recently and Mr. Trump retweeted it, that actions speak louder than words. Mr. Trump may have said some bad words, but Bill Clinton raped me and Hillary Clinton threatened me. I don't think there's any comparison.

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HOWELL: It is important to point out, though, back in 1999 the White House denied the allegations lobbied by -- lobbed by Broaddrick.

CHURCH: And Donald Trump apologized for his degrading remarks about women on the video tape from 2005, saying he is not proud of those comments.

HOWELL: Then he took aim at Bill Clinton, but did Hillary Clinton take the bait? No.

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TRUMP: This was locker room talk. I'm not proud of it. I apologized to my family. I apologized to the American people. Certainly, I'm not proud of it, but this is locker room talk. Yes, I'm very embarrassed by it. I hate it, but it's locker room talk. And it's one of those things. I will knock the hell out of ISIS.

CLINTON: What we all saw and heard on Friday was Donald talking about women, what he thinks about women, what he does to women. And he has said that the video doesn't represent who he is, but I think it's clear to anyone who heard it, that it represents exactly who he is.

TRUMP: If you look at Bill Clinton, far worse, mine are words and his was action. His was what he's done to women. There's never been anybody in the history of politics in this nation that's been so abusive to women. So, you can say any way you want to say it, but Bill Clinton was abusive to women. Hillary Clinton attacked those same women.

CLINTON: When I hear something like that, I am reminded of what my friend, Michelle Obama, advised us all. When they go low, you go high.

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CHURCH: And as you would have seen Sunday's debate featured plenty of fireworks, even before the night formally began.

HOWELL: To talk all about it, let's bring in our guests from St. Louis, two reporters from POLITICO, Ben Schreckinger and Hadas Gold. It's a pleasure to have you both with us. Ben, this first question to you, we just heard Donald Trump using that phrase, "locker room talk." That is a phrase that you could say is quite controversial. The question here, Donald Trump made an apology, that taped apology from his campaign, then talked about it here, describing it as locker room talk. The question, did he go far enough or did he actually walk back his apology?

[01:08:43] BEN SCHRECKINGER, POLITICO REPORTER: Donald Trump is a student of Roy Cohn, whose mantra was attack, attack, attack. That's Trump's instincts. That's what he did here. I think it'll satisfy his base. I don't think it'll do anything to repair the damage that he's done with female voters, especially suburban, white, college educated Republican voters who are women. And I think that at this point, it's going to be difficult for him to bring them back into his camp.

CHURCH: And Hadas, I want to ask you, we saw there that Hillary Clinton could have gone much further when it came to the Access Hollywood tape, she didn't. She chose not to. Why do you think that is the case? Do you think that was a good decision on her part?

[01:09:30] HADAS GOLD, POLITICO REPORTER: Perhaps her supporters would have liked her to go a little bit harder on Donald Trump during the debate, but I think that Hillary Clinton and her campaign likely thought that it was better to her to seem above all of the down in the mudslinging dirt at one another. And as she said, to let the tape stand for itself, but, perhaps, it would have worked more in her favor had she been a little bit more aggressive, because as a lot of people are saying at the end of tonight, it's not exactly clear who won. I think a lot of people expected Donald Trump to have a worse night than he actually did.

HOWELL: Same question to you, Hadas. Let's talk about Donald Trump in this debate. The poll that we have showed that he did better than expected. The question, though, did he do enough? Did he do enough, first of all, to stop the bleeding after a very tough week for Trump, given this tape, given the defections of former Trump supporters who have now withdrawn their support of him? Did he do enough to stop that and potentially turn the table, and you know, move into a new week?

GOLD: Perhaps he put a Band-Aid on the bleeding, but didn't necessarily get the proper stitches to really sew it up. I saw a quote that he's -- some Republican state chairs were saying that he's still a dead -- he's still, more or less, a dead man walking, but maybe he's just a slightly less bleeding dead man walking. He didn't harm his campaign, necessarily, anymore in -- at least not amongst his supporters. A lot of people were appalled by him saying that if he was president, he would look to appoint a special prosecutor and put Hillary Clinton in jail. That might seem shocking to some people, but that's exactly what his supporters like to hear. It really riles up their base. At their rallies, as Ben can attest, they are chanting, "Lock her up," every single time.

HOWELL: Well, that is something that has just never -- it's unprecedented to see a candidate running for president to say that about his rival -- or her rival.

CHURCH: Yeah. And that will certainly revisit him in the days ahead. I mean, we've got less than 30 days before the election. Ben, I wanted to ask you about the admission that came from Donald Trump. He basically said, "Yes, I have avoided paying income tax since 1995." That's the first time we've heard that. Is that going to end up haunting him, do you think?

SCHRECKINGER: You know, I think that there are so many other shiny objects in this campaign right now. I think that for a long time, people have known that Trump has done everything possible to minimize tax. We already had this bombshell report that the campaign didn't deny now more than a week ago about Trump potentially avoiding taxes for 18 years. I do think the fact that he finally confirmed it will probably end up being a footnote of this debate.

HOWELL: Ben, a question for you. And I heard one of our commentators talking about this just earlier. When candidates have these moments that he described as "naked moments," where voters can see precisely who the candidate is, and in the context that was given, a "naked moment" for Ronald Reagan, when he was shot, to see how he recovered. So, the question with this tape and Donald Trump, is that considered a "naked moment," and what will that mean in the minds of voters? I mean, can Donald Trump move past it?

SCHRECKINGER: That's a good question. I think time will tell whether this race will move on. It's been such a wild ride so far that it's possible that even a bombshell like this will not be the news of the day by the middle of this week. I think that what this revealed about Donald Trump, is that he'll apologize only in the rarest of circumstances, and only with caveats. And that really is his disposition is to go on attack, and that for him nothing is off limits. And so, you know, arguably, this has been a naked moment for him in the past -- at this point, 48 hours.

CHURCH: And Hadas, perhaps another naked moment, when we heard Donald Trump talk about Syria, it was interesting when he essentially threw his running mate, Mike Pence, under the bus, disagreeing with him. Pence, of course, had earlier said in the vice presidential debate that as far as he was concerned, the U.S. should consider strikes on the Syrian Assad regime. Interesting moment. What was your reading of that?

GOLD: You know, we were sitting in the press filing center will all the journalists, and there were audible gaffes from the media when Donald Trump said that. How -- whenever have we seen two candidates on a ticket together, a president and vice presidential nominees, disagree with one another? And the president say, "No, I don't agree with my running mate." And he even said, "We haven't talked about it." That's absolutely stunning that Donald Trump would, A, not be on the same page as his running mate on such an important issue such as Syria, and B, not talk with him about it? That was -- that was absolutely stunning. And that only really fueled a lot of rumors and a lot of people had been talking about that potentially maybe Mike Pence might drop out of the Donald Trump campaign, and Mike Pence have pushed back saying, "That is not going to happen." But again, tonight was a night of so many first things that we've never really seen before in a debate, during a Presidential Election. And this -- the fact that this is only the fourth question that we've really talked about just now, goes to show you how unique this debate was, the fact that the candidate distancing himself from his own running mate isn't even the top ticket they were talking about.

HOWELL: Here's the thing, though, at the top of the ticket, you have two candidates who all the polls show, these are the most unpopular candidates in many election cycles, and when it comes to Pence, many Republicans, you know, are vocal about this, they wish that he were at the top of the ticket, so Pence certainly is an important key for Donald Trump to see the disconnect between this two on the debate stage, nonetheless.

CHURCH: Yes.

HOWELL: Fascinating.

CHURCH: And the Republicans struggling to see what they're going to do going forward.

HOWELL: Fascinating indeed.

CHURCH: We'll watch that. Ben Schreckinger and Hadas Gold, we want you to standby, we're coming back to you a little later in the program. Many thanks.

HOWELL: Thanks for being with us. And Donald Trump is threatening to put Hillary Clinton in jail if he becomes president. Again, unprecedented. Much more from Sunday's second Presidential Debate, as CNN NEWSROOM continues.

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TRUMP: It was funny. She went over -- a minute over, and you don't stop her. When I go one second over, it's like --

MARTHA RADDATZ, DEBATE MODERATOR: You had many answers.

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CLINTON: It's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in our country.

TRUMP: Because you'd be in jail.

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[01:20:16] CHURCH: One of the many heated exchanges between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump there during Sunday night's second Presidential Debates.

HOWELL: And the mood was indeed very tense, when the controversy surrounding Clinton's personal e-mail server was brought up on stage.

TRUMP: If I win, I am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because there has never been so many lies, so much deception. There has never been anything like it and we're going to have a special prosecutor.

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CLINTON: That was a mistake, and I take responsibility for using a personal e-mail account. Obviously, if I were to do it over again, I would not, I'm not making any excuses, it was a mistake, and I am very sorry about that. But I think it's also important to point out where there are some misleading accusations from critics and others. After a yearlong investigation, there is no evidence that anyone hacked the server I was using, and there is no evidence that anyone can point to at all, anyone who says otherwise has no basis, that any classified material ended up in the wrong hands.

TRUMP: She didn't know the word -- the letter "C" on a document, right? She didn't even know what that word -- what that letter meant. You know, it's amazing, I'm watching Hillary go over facts, and she's going fact after fact, and she's lying again because she said she -- you know, what she did with the e-mails was fine. You think it was fine to delete 33,000 e-mails? I don't think so.

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CHRUCH: Joining me now to talk more about the second Presidential Debate is CNN Political Analyst and Washington Post Columnist, Josh Rogin. Thanks so much for being with us. A lot to digest from this debate, of course, was this a game changer, though, in any way -- an overall, which candidate do you think came out on top looking more presidential here?

[01:22:22] JOSH ROGIN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: I think both candidates came away looking pretty bad after this debate. I was mired in their own personal scandals. They just attacked each other from most of the first half of the debate. Donald Trump began by holding his own press conference before the debate with three alleged victims of Bill Clinton, and you know, overall there was nothing in the debate that would readily change the state of play one way or the other. The best hope for Donald Trump is that he could stem the bleeding and sort of lessen his slide in the polls. The best hope for Hillary Clinton is that she could get out of it without a major damage to her reputation, and I think in a sense they both succeeded in that, but nothing really earthshattering one way or the other.

CHURCH: You mentioned their scandals and these two presidential candidates more than any others in U.S. history, each have numerous scandals to deal with. Clinton with her emails, a Wall Street speeches, Benghazi, and her husband's personal life. Trump, his recent leaked tape on his treatment with women, is yet to be released tax returns, his foundation and more. Did Trump move the debate beyond his leaked tape scandal, do you think, and his tax returns or will the tapes and his admission that he doesn't pay income tax, haunt him in this month before the election?

ROGIN: Right. Well, on the main scandal coming into the debate which are the remarks that Trump was caught making on tape in a 2005 video for Access Hollywood, I don't think he ended that scandal, that will be going on for some time as people continue to watch and talk about it. He refused to apologize, he said it was locker room banter and then he tried to turn the conversation back to Hillary Clinton. I don't think that's going to do it. As similarly on his tax issue, he actually fuelled the scandal by giving more information. He admitted for the first time that he had used a loophole to avoid paying federal taxes for a number of years, he declined to disclose information about when he would release his tax returns, so neither of those two things is going away any time soon. It's similar story with Hillary Clinton, in fact, she didn't do great answering about her e-mail controversy, but that's the controversy most people have been thinking about and talking about for months now. Trump's scandal, especially (INAUDIBLE) video, are newer and therefore have more lives.

CHURCH: Yeah and I did want to ask you about the e-mails because Trump went on the attack over Clinton's e-mails, even threatened to jail her if he wins office. Did he land any punches with that attack and how will his threat to prosecute her likely play out in the electorate in the weeks ahead?

ROGIN: Yeah, I think on the specific e-mail of her -- again, I'm sorry, on the specific issue of her missing e-mails, he had a couple good of points. I do think in the fallout from this debate that will be vastly overshadowed by his call for her to be prosecuted and jailed if he wins. I mean, already we have seen the Clinton campaign come out with a number of top law enforcement officials, pointing out how such a move might be disastrous to sort of the tradition, the customs that have governed American democracy and it's really unprecedented so although he was successful in sort of tactical spars with Hillary Clinton, the big story coming out of this debate will surely be about how Donald Trump has promised to jail his opponent if he's victorious in November.

CHURCH: Yeah, very interesting. Josh Rogin, always good to talk to you about this. There's lots some more we could say, but we'll have to end it there. Many thanks.

ROGIN: Thank you.

HOWELL: But when it comes to the issue of taxes, Donald Trump continues to insist that he knows more about the U.S. tax code than anyone else. Still ahead, how the candidates clashed over their tax policies.

CHURCH: And Trump broke with his running mate on foreign policy. What the presidential candidate said about Russia and Syria, that's coming your way next. So stay with us.

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CHURCH: A warm welcome back to our viewers all around the world. I'm Rosemary Church.

HOWELL: And I'm George Howell, we are going to get back to our coverage of the second U.S. Presidential Debate in a moment but first, a look at the top stories we're following for you this hour.

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[01:30:42] HOWELL: Samsung thought that the problem was fixed, but now it is suspending production of its Galaxy Note 7 after discovering a dangerous issue still exists with that phone.

Let's bring in Paula Hancocks, live in Seoul, South Korea, who is following the story.

Paula, this phone, still quite dangerous.

PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: George, this is one person familiar with the matter that they have halted the production of the Galaxy Note 7. We haven't had an official response at this point from Samsung. We are waiting for one. But the company is already struggling with a massive recall of about 2.5 million devices.

This device was launched back in August. There were reports of the device catching fire and bursting into flames. A small number of them then announced this global recall back in September. Since the exchange program has begun, six customers were able to take their phone in and get a new phone. There's been new reports of replacement phones having problems as well. Two of the major carriers have said on Sunday they will would replacing these hand sets. They are no longer offering replacements. We have had one case in China, which Samsung says is currently investigating where a customer has claimed that theirs has burst into flames. Of course, China wasn't involved in the original recall because Samsung had a different battery provider, but that may not have been the case. And just last Wednesday a Southwest Airlines plane was cancelled after a customer's phone appeared to burst into flames as well.

So this is an ongoing problem for Samsung. They believed that they had solved the issue and that's why they were offering these replacement phones. But now we understand they have halted all production -- George?

HOWELL: Paula Hancocks live for us in Seoul, South Korea. Paula, we'll stay in touch with you. Thank you for the report.

ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN ANCHOR: Everyone expected a heated confrontation at the second U.S. presidential debate in St. Louis, and that's exactly what they got. The tension was palpable from the first moment. Clinton and Trump greeted each other with only a nod, instead of a traditional handshake. In response to the opening question, the Republican nominee dismissed his lewd comments about women in a videotape that surfaced a few days ago as just locker room talk. After repeating that, he wasn't proud of what was on the tape, he lashed into Bill Clinton calling him abusive to women. Hillary Clinton said Trump was just avoiding the fact that his party is deserting him.

HOWELL: So after all is said and done, after the smoke clears, who won? Hillary Clinton, according to the latest poll, won Sunday's U.S. presidential debate, but Donald Trump did better than expected. This, all according to a CNN/ORC instant poll of debate watchers. 57 percent of those polled said that Hillary Clinton won. 34 percent gave Donald Trump the win.

CHURCH: And sitting in the audience was several women who accused Bill Clinton of sexual misconduct. They were invited by Trump to attend the debate. Trump made a surprise appearance with the women hours before the debate and called them very courageous.

HOWELL: Trump was once again asked about paying federal income taxes during that debate and we seemed to finally get an answer from Donald Trump on that stage. Both candidates were asked how they would change tax provisions to ensure the wealthy pay their fair share.

CHURCH: Trump says he knows the tax code best and proposed lowering taxes, but Clinton said his plan would only help people just like Trump.

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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR & DEBATE MODERATOR: Did you use that $916 million loss to avoid paying taxes?

DONALD TRUMP, (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Of course, I do. Of course, I do. So do all of her donors or most of her donors. I know many of her donors. They took massive tax write offs.

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TRUMP: Excuse me. A lot of my write off was depreciation and other things that Hillary, as a Senator, allowed. She'll always allow it because people that give her all this money, they want it.

HILLARY CLINTON, (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It's sort of amusing to hear somebody who hasn't paid federal taxes in 20 years talking about what he's going to do. I'll tell you what he's going to do. But I'll tell you what he's going to do. His plan will give the wealthy and corporations the biggest tax cuts they have ever had. More than the Bush tax cuts by at least a factor of two. Donald always takes care of Donald and people like Donald. This would be a massive gift. And indeed, the way he talks about his tax cuts would end up raising taxes on middle-class families.

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[01:35:39] HOWELL: There's a lot to talk about in it this debate. Let's bring in our panel of guests in St. Louis.

CHURCH: "Politico" reporters, Ben Schreckinger and Matea Gold. Thank you to both of you for sticking around.

So let's talk about taxes again. We did talk about them earlier. But this is very significant. You've got Donald Trump, someone who is so wealthy admitting he has not paid taxes since 1995, certainly, income taxes. He says he's paid other taxes. What sort of impact will that have going forward? Some people don't feel it has enough play. For but for the middle class, who pay every single cent of their taxes, how angry are they likely to get if this gets more play, now that we know that Donald Trump has admitted, yes, indeed, he does not pay income tax?

MATEA GOLD, REPORTER, POLITICO: Well, there's one thing when Donald Trump says he did not pay income tax, it could be valuable for Hillary Clinton for some middle class voters for people who pay their taxes, but nobody likes to pay taxes. Everybody takes as much deductions as they can. This was good for myself and this is what I'm going to do for the United States. Hillary Clinton's campaign was really utilizing another number from "The New York Times" report, which was the amount of money he lost in one year of doing business. It was nearly a billion dollars, $916 million. She's said what kind of businessman loses that much money in a year. That might be a more effective line of attack than focusing on the fact that he hasn't paid income taxes because not a lot of people sit around thinking, well, everybody needs to pay their fair share and contribute to the taxes.

HOWELL: Ben, this question to you. If the general concept coming out of this debate is that both candidates really talked to their own bases and the question did they bring in new Independent voters, we have yet to see, but on this issue of taxes, Ben, with Donald Trump's response about taxes, does his base really care about this issue?

BEN SCHRECKINGER, REPORTER, POLITICO: I think we have seen time and time again that for Donald Trump's most devoted followers, you can bring any piece of news about Donald Trump and they will tell you they are fine with it. I think that Trump gives them the answers they need. His surrogates were calling Trump a genius for avoiding paying taxes for 18 years. I think that's something that Trump's base is going to echo. Whether it hurts him with some Independents in places like Pennsylvania, places like Ohio, there were early indications that people weren't thrilled to hear that he had managed to avoid paying those taxes. At this point, it's almost a question of what people are going to be focusing on with Trump, whether it's the taxes or the tape or his positioning on Russia.

CHURCH: Matea, I wanted to ask you, we saw Hillary Clinton was on her plane and complaining. She said Donald Trump was being fast and loose with the facts. Is that what we saw play out in that debate?

GOLD: That's a charge Hillary Clinton made in the first debate. We saw Donald Trump actually bring up a few you could call them statements that have been disproven, including the most famous that e he said he was not in support of the Iraq war. When we do have tapes from 2002 where he tells Howard Stern that, sure, he thinks we should go into Iraq at that time. So she likes to bring that up a lot. The fact checks that she said if I had to spend all night long disputing these facts from Donald Trump, I wouldn't be able to talk about my own positions. That plane ride was interesting. She actually joked that they needed to take off so they could start serving drinks. Some of her campaign staffers were tweeting out little videos from "Saturday Night Live" last night where the celebrations of the Hillary Clinton character so they seem to be in pretty good spirits after the debate.

[01:40:09] HOWELL: So the general idea is what we hear from many of the commentators, the pundits who watch this, is Trump stopped the bleeding, per se, but there may be new legs on this issue of taxes. And also when it comes to the tape that was released, will we continue to see more discussion about that tape than just briefly first to you for your thoughts.

SCHRECKINGER: I think absolutely this tape has legs. Barring some other bomb shell, and that's always possible, we'll still be talking about it tomorrow and the day after. The possibility is raised of more tapes coming out of Trump speaking into hot mics. I think that this is something we may see throughout the rest of the month. I think it matters in the race.

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GOLD: So Donald Trump has been in the public eye now for decades. There's a lot of footage out there of him on these hot Mikes on TV shows and the like. Whether they are going to be as damaging as the "Access Hollywood tape, we have yet to see. We already know Geraldo Rivera, an anchor on FOX News, says he has tapes of Donald Trump and going through them now. We know that the producer for "The Apprentice", where there's a lot of footage and there's also reporting he made lewd comments while on "The Apprentice." All of those tapes belong to the reality TV show producer and he has in the contract for anybody who works for him a threat that there will be millions of dollars in fines if they ever release this footage. But some Hillary Clinton allies, including David Brock, have pledged that they would pay for all of the penalties for anybody who chose to release those tapes. I would place my money on we'll see more tapes come out, whether they are from "The Apprentice" or from other tv shows, such as "Access Hollywood."

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CHURCH: Buckle up, right?

HOWELL: Yeah, buckle up. Less than 30 days until November 8th. Will we get there? We'll have to wait and see.

Matea Gold, thank you for being with us.

And Ben Schreckinger.

We appreciate your insight today. Thank you.

CHURCH: In Sunday's U.S. presidential debate, Hillary Clinton says Russia has a favorite candidate, who she claimed Russia would like to see win. That's coming your way. Do stay with us.

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[01:45:47] CHURCH: Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump showed stark foreign policy differences a at Sunday's debate, including their attitudes about Russia and also Syria's civil war.

HOWELL: Donald Trump suggested that the United States shares common enemies with Moscow and Damascus while Hillary Clinton implied the Kremlin was meddling in the U.S. election. Listen.

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CLINTON: We see the results of the regime. In partnership with the Iranians on the ground, the Russians in the air, bombarding places, in particular Aleppo, where there are hundreds of thousands of people, probably about 250,000, still left. There's a determined effort by the Russian air force to destroy Aleppo.

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TRUMP: I don't like Assad at all, but Assad is killing ISIS. Russia is killing ISIS. And Iran is killing ISIS. And those three have now lined up because of our weak foreign policy.

CLINTON: Russia has decided that it's all in, in Syria. And they have also decided who they want to see become president of the United States, too. And it's not me. I have stood up to Russia. I have taken on Putin and others. I would do that as president.

MARTHA RADDATZ, DEBATE MODERATOR: I want to remind you what your running mate said. He said provocations by Russia need to be met with American strength and that if Russia continues to be involved in airstrikes along the with Syrian government forces of Assad, the United States of America should be prepared to use military force to strike the military targets of the Assad regime.

TRUMP: He and I haven't spoken and I disagree. I disagree.

RADDATZ: You disagree with your running mate?

TRUMP: I think you have to knock out ISIS. Right now, Syria is fighting ISIS. We have people that want to fight both at the same time.

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CHURCH: All right. Matthew Chance joins us now from Moscow with how the debate has been received there.

Matthew, what was interesting Donald Trump saying that Assad and Russia are targeting ISIS. That hasn't been the case. That is a lot of the problem that's been seen and observed all around the world between the U.S. and Russia right now. Talk to us about that and what people are saying.

MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I mean, there's some truth in what Donald Trump said in the sense that Russia has been targeting ISIS. So is Iran and Syria. The complaint has been from the United States and the Western powers that have been backing the rebels, that ISIS has not been the focus of Russia's campaign. The focus has very much been on the other rebel groups that pose a more immediate threat to the survival of the regime of Bashar al Assad, Russia's ally in Damascus, the Syrian president.

But I think nobody seriously doubts that Russia has killed ISIS fighters and targeted ISIS infrastructure. For instance, the Russian Security Council here in Moscow says it's wiped out one-third of all ISIS fighters. It puts a figure of 28,000 fighters that it's killed as a result of its joint strikes along with the Syrian army against ISIS.

And earlier this year, in May, Russia backing the Syrian armed forces took over Palmira, an historic city, a UNESCO protected site that had been damaged and brutalized by ISIS fighters. They recaptured that and brought it back under Syrian government control. So the idea that Russia doesn't target ISIS at all is wrong. But at the same time, it's also true to say that ISIS has never been the main target of the Russian air force.

CHURCH: Also the point that Trump raised that was interesting. He was at odds with his own running mate, Mike Pence. He said in the vice presidential debate that he would like to see military strikes on the Assad regime. That's not what Trump thinks should happen. What was your reading of that?

[01:49:53] CHANCE: Yeah, well, they obviously need to talk and get their policy straightened out. But in terms of the dangers of a policy to involve airstrikes against the Syrian regime, it's pretty clear that that's not a particularly viable option, given that Russian forces are also on the ground sometimes with Syrian army forces on the ground in terms of their Special Forces. And Clinton talked about the need to impose a no-fly zone over areas of Syria. But the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Joseph Dunford, in the United States has come out and said, look, that's only going to be possible if we go to war with Russia. Russia has very capable air defenses on the ground in Syria. It's made it absolutely clear that its planes will carry on flying no matter what. And of course, it has the capability already on the ground in Syria to defeat any attempt to impose a no-fly zone.

And so, yes, it sounds good and it sounds like that's what the people of Syria in some quarters may need, but actually implementing a policy like that would be exceedingly dangerous. It would effectively bring U.S. forces into direct contact with Russian forces. That has a massive potential to escalate.

CHURCH: It's 8:51 in the morning there in Moscow where our Matthew Chance has joined us there with reaction from Russia. Many thanks to you.

HOWELL: Matthew really bringing home where the rhetoric meets the reality on the ground there in Syria.

No opening handshake and one dig after another. They just kept coming. And in the end, though, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton were challenged to say something nice about each other. Their answers, when we come back.

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[01:54:49] CHURCH: Sunday's presidential debate allowed candidates to roam the stage, but that got awkward when Donald Trump stood behind Hillary Clinton at times. The Republican appeared to lurch behind his rival and the Internet reacted in a less than positive way.

Here's some of the responses on Twitter.

HOWELL: One user wrote, "The scene looked like a poster for the 1970s horror movie."

Another wrote, "He's right behind me, isn't he?"

Then this user wrote, "Trump would make a scary Halloween costume. You can go to a party and stand three to five feet behind successful women."

CHURCH: Some people finding that creepy.

HOWELL: That is, indeed.

For all of the insults and for all of the personal attacks in this faceoff between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, the final moments of this debate took a different turn.

CHURCH: It happened when a member of the audience asked the candidates the last question, setting them up for perhaps the only cordial three minutes of the night.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) CLINTON: I respect his children. His children are incredibly able and devoted, and I think that says a lot about Donald.

TRUMP: I consider that a compliment.

I will say this about Hillary. She doesn't quit. She doesn't give up. I respect that. I tell it like it is. She's a fighter. I disagree with much of what she's fighting for. I do disagree with her judgment in many cases, but she does fight hard and she doesn't quit and she doesn't give up. I consider that to be a very good trait.

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CHURCH: And we will have to leave it there for this hour. I'm Rosemary Church.

HOWELL: I'm George Howell.

If you missed the second presidential debate, we'll replay the debate in its entirety right here on CNN after the break. Stay with us.

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