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Trump Campaign In Crisis As New Accusers Surface; New Syria Peace Talks Begin On Saturday; Iraqi PM: We'll Take Another Key ISIS Town Soon; Source: Militants Released In Chibok Girls Deal; Trump Denies Allegations Of Sexual Misconduct; Trump: Accusations Totally And Absolutely False; Deepening Unease Between Russia And The U.S.; Living With The Wounds Of The Terror Attack In Nice; CNN Follows Twins' Life-Changing Surgery. Aired 3-4p ET
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HANNAH VAUGHAN JONES, CNN INTERNATIONAL GUEST ANCHOR: Hello there. I'm Hannah Vaughan Jones sitting in for Hala Gorani. We are live at CNN London
and this is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
So Donald Trump is trying to keep his campaign on track, fighting for his political survival amid explosive new accusations. Mr. Trump is speaking
right now in Greensboro, North Carolina, once again, he has categorically denied any claims of unwanted sexual advances.
Two more accusers are now speaking out against Donald Trump. CNN has not independently confirmed any of their accounts. One was a candidate on
Trump's reality TV show, "The Apprentice."
Summer Zervos is speaking right now in Los Angeles alongside her attorney. She is accusing Trump of accosting her at the Beverly Hills Hotel, kissing
her on the lips during their meeting and groping her.
And just before that news (inaudible), the "Washington Post" newspaper reported another allegation dating back to the early 1990s, a woman says
that Trump groped her at a New York nightclub. Again, CNN has not been able to independently confirm her account, but here it is in her own words.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
KRISTIN ANDERSON, TRUMP ACCUSER: I'm talking to my friend who I'm sitting to and across from on my left side. I'm very clear on this. This is the
vivid part for me. So the person on my right, who unbeknownst to me at the time, was Donald Trump, put their hands up my skirt. He did touched my
vagina through my underwear.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
JONES: A spokeswoman for Trump told the "Washington Post," quote, "Mr. Trump strongly denies this phony allegation by someone looking to get some
free publicity. It is totally ridiculous."
U.S. President Barack Obama took aim at Trump a short time ago accusing him of turning the political system toxic and dragging it as low as it can
possibly go. Mr. Obama said he is glad some Republicans are now deserting Trump, but said it is long overdue.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Why it did take you this long? You said you were the party of family values -- what you
weren't appalled earlier? When he was saying degrading things about women? When he was judging them based on a score of a two or a ten. That wasn't
enough for you?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
JONES: Donald Trump's running mate is standing by him amidst the sexual assault allegations. Mike Pence saying he is absolutely in belief of
CNN's Kate Bolduan, anchor of "STATE OF THE RACE" joins us now from New York. Kate, these allegations are coming in thick and fast at the moment.
So how exactly is the Trump camp planning to counter all of these claims?
I'm not sure if Kate can hear us at the moment. Kate, we'll try once again. Kate, can you hear me? It is Hannah Vaughan Jones here for THE
WORLD RIGHT NOW. We just wanted to ask you about these latest allegations coming in against Donald Trump. I'm wondering how the Trump is going to
try and counter all of this.
OK, it doesn't look like we have Kate at the moment. We'll try to come back to her a bit later on though in the program. Now it has been just one
week since a 2005 tape emerged of Donald Trump making lewd remarks about women, remarks that have thrown his campaign into a tail spin.
Let's talk now of where things stand there. I'm joined by CNN political commentator, Ryan Lizza, who is the Washington correspondent for "The New
Ryan, it's been a crazy week, a few scandal that has gripped both candidates, we should mention not just Donald Trump, but Hillary Clinton as
well. What has this week done for the state of the presidential race?
RYAN LIZZA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, frankly, if you look at the polls that have come out since the second debate, it tipped the race
further in Clinton's direction.
[15:05:07]I was looking at the 16 different prognosticators in American politics, the average right now of all of the handicappers is that Clinton
is on track to win 300 electoral votes. You need 270 to win.
Most of the national polls show a six to eight point advantage for Clinton. You have Donald Trump pulling out of an important swing state like Virginia
this week. So all of the traditional factors that we look at this late in the race point to Clinton in a very, very commanding lead.
And you know, it's Friday, and we've got two more accusers coming out today. So you pointed out that yes, there is scandal on the Clinton side,
the release of these e-mails, but all of the damage since the first debate has been on the Trump side.
And I mean, I don't want to drain the drama out of the race for viewers, but we have never seen a candidate come back from a place where Trump is
JONES: Ryan, one of the things we definitely haven't seen this week is any actual policy. Even Donald Trump who is still speaking live as our viewers
can see right now in Greensboro, even he can't seem to get back on policy. He's having to address all of these allegations. He says it's all a
complete fabrication. But what does he do now with 25 days to go? Is this just a case of like, I'm going to down, I'm dragging you all with me.
LIZZA: I think there is a little bit of that. I mean, look at what we just saw in the last hour. We literally had Donald Trump attacking his
accusers and we had most of the TV networks cut away from Donald Trump attacking his accusers to go live to a new accuser.
So you're right that policy has not been on the front pages of this campaign this week. Frankly, if you look at the speech that Donald Trump
gave yesterday, and look at what he's talked about today, outside of denying the allegations and going after his accusers.
He has been talking about frankly a global conspiracy that includes the Clinton campaign and the news media out to rig the election and defeat him.
That has literally been his message in the last couple days.
He doesn't have a message, even the one he had in August and September. A message that was trying to reach out to some of the moderate Republicans
that he's lost to Hillary Clinton.
It is very much messaging down to the same kind of 35 percent to 40 percent of voters that are already with him and he is running out of time frankly
to change the race around.
On the Clinton side, you know, some days we barely hear from the Clinton campaign. So much is just focused on Trump and these allegations in the
last few days.
JONES: Ryan, stand by for us, if you will. I am just going to bring back in CNN's Kate Bolduan, the anchor for "STATE OF THE RACE." We were trying
to speak to you a little bit earlier, Kate. Now I do believe we have you, I was asking you before about the Trump camp's plan now to try and counter
these allegations. He says it's all false and a fabrication, but how is he actually going to prove that?
KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR, "STATE OF THE RACE": Yes, it doesn't seem that there really is a plan. I mean, you can -- the Trump campaign is trying to
say they knew dirt would come up and they knew it would get nasty at then end, but they did not expect this.
Let's say the least because the response has been just on defense, defense, defense. They have been promising that there is evidence very clearly.
Evidence that will prove all of these claims false.
But there is no time like the present with 25 days left, and why they are waiting if it's not going to come out, I mean, hours ago it should have
come out if they have it, so there is a question of what kind of evidence they are going to be putting forth.
I mean, you heard from Donald Trump, he is the only one out there defending himself and it's raging from, you know, he's flat out denial. He calls it
a fabrication to attacking the victims.
And also the way --if there is a strategy going forward, what I'm seeing is he is now linking this with the system is rigged against us saying that
this is a setup, he said at this rally.
These are phony accusers and this is a set up. This is being pushed by the media and the Clinton campaign, the establishment to keep their grip on our
government and keep us down.
And that seems to be a message -- he's talked about the rigged system in the primary and that worked very well for his most ardent based voters.
He is speaking directly to them still. The problem is we're no longer in the primary, we've said over and over again. To win a general election, it
is about addition. It's about bringing in other voters that didn't vote for you in the primary and you don't really see that happening here. It's
hard to see how it helps him.
JONES: He has already been saying, Kate, just in the last couple of minutes that he is the victim, not these people, these women who are coming
[05:10:02]If the evidence that we're expecting, that we're waiting on, is an attempt to try to discredit all of these alleged victims, who are now
coming forward, that will do absolutely nothing surely for his standing with female voters. So how is he hoping to actually gain any traction
going forward to November 8th?
BOLDUAN: Well, two things on that. If evidence comes -- let's be very honest, innocent until proven guilty. If evidence comes out that disproves
these allegations then the story is over and Donald Trump can go on with his campaign and it should have no bearing and no negative impact on any
voter, female or otherwise.
If he continues along this line where there isn't evidence, but he is insinuating that these are phony accusers and they're all liars, and they
continue also their tactic of accusing Hillary Clinton of wrongfully discrediting the accusers of Bill Clinton's past as part of their strategy
to hurt Hillary Clinton, that seems to be hypocritical in their message.
It's not going to help them with female voters. Will it hurt him with the people who are already support him, female voters and otherwise, no. But
again, it is about addition. He is not doing well with female voters. There is no secret about that.
Female voters vote on many other issues other than female issues, if you even want to call it that, but this being forefront, this being at the
center of the campaign where he is spending minutes in rallies among his supporters having to defend himself, it is hard to see how it is helping
him, but he will continue on.
Again it is unconventional campaign, Hannah, we have to say, unconventional tactics. They are taking the strategy of scorched earth where they are
going to negative. They are going to go hard.
They basically are trying and banking on right now, emerging their supporters and trying to depress Democratic vote in hopes that when it just
comes to turnout they are not adding any new voters to their support.
They're just turning their voters out more than Democrats are, and that seems to be what they're banking on right now.
JONES: Kate, we appreciate it. Kate Bolduan, thanks very much indeed. I want to get back now to CNN political commentator, Ryan Lizza, who we've
been speaking to just now. Also with us is Larry Sabato. He is the director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia.
Gentlemen, welcome back now to both of you. Larry, let me bring you in now to this conversation. We were talking to Kate Bolduan about the polls and
how things look nationally at the moment.
We had a poll from Fox that showed Hillary Clinton across board has a seven-point lead over Donald Trump. The gap is obviously narrowing in
terms of his path to the White House, is there any path at all there now for Donald Trump?
LARRY SABATO, DIRECTOR, UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA CENTER FOR POLITICS: Personally I done think so. I would give him a 10 percent or 15 percent
chance and that's if everything came together for him in a way that I can't see happening in the remaining 24, 25 days of the campaign.
So I think that explains a lot of his current behavior. He is simply putting together a long list of people and things to blame and his million
followers are going to be enraged.
They're already enraged. He is trying to make sure they stay motivated and come out to vote for him so that the loss will be less embarrassing. But
these same people are going to blame the system saying it was rigged, there is voter fraud everywhere, who knows what they'll come with.
Donald Trump will blame the media and just about every group he can think of. The long and short of it is that the post-election period is going to
be almost as difficult as much of this actual election campaign has been.
JONES: Larry, from your research, do people generally across America want to hear more policy? How do they feel about the state of this campaign so
far? Are they fired up about it or are they just depressed?
SABATO: Well, actually negative partisanship, which is when people go to the polls to vote against a candidate based on their dislike or even hatred
of the candidates can actually produce a larger turnout than positive partisanship when people are going out to vote for their candidate.
So yes, there is a lot of negativism. There certainly is depression generally about this election campaign because it's in the gutter. I think
it's the most embarrassing presidential campaign in modern American history if not ever.
That's not the image the United States wants to project to the world, but we are stuck with what we've got. So naturally people are unhappy with it
and there have been a number of measures at this and everyone I talked to is just desperately waiting for it to be over. My message, though, is it
may not be over when it's over.
JONES: OK, Ryan Lizza, if voters, if the general electorate are turned off by the ugliness of this campaign, which candidate has the most to lose by,
say, a low turnout?
LIZZA: You know, that's a great question. The Clinton campaign has fretted this year about whether they can motivate the same voters that
turned out in pretty dramatic fashion for President Obama in 2012.
And there have been some whispers from the Trump campaign that his latest strategy is about depressing Hillary Clinton's turnout. That is why he's
turned so sharply negative because you know, people hear about the negativism in politics and they say, what's the point voting?
So you know maybe I would say she has a little bit more to lose because she is the one in a commanding position, but this late in October, when you're
leading by as much as she is and Trump's free fall is still not over, it's pretty hard to make a case for how he can turn this around, and hard to
make a case for, you know, what's problematic in her campaign.
You know, one thing I want to add to what Larry said is that I do think that a lot of Trump's messaging this week is a little bit more about who he
is going to blame if he losses than trying to win.
This is not a guy that likes to accept loss. You know, he's usually either victorious or claims he is a victim. We saw this in the primaries when he
lost the Iowa caucus and he says it was rigged. In a few other races, he said he was the victim of some kind of conspiracy.
I think that's what we are hearing right now from him and frankly, it is a little bit dangerous, something we have never really experienced in
American politics is the major nominee of a party preparing an argument that the election was stolen from him.
And if that is the path he is going down, then the day after the election is going to be quite interesting.
JONES: We have 25 more days until Election Day. Gentlemen, thank you very much indeed, Ryan Lizza, Larry Sabato. We appreciate it.
LIZZA: A pleasure.
SABATO: Thank you.
JONES: We turn our attention to Syria now where the country's president is defending his massive military assaults on rebel-held Eastern Aleppo
calling it a springboard to victory over he labels terrorists.
War planes are smashing the area to ruins in the process and slaughtering civilians. Activists tell CNN at least 160 people have been killed since
Tuesday. But for President Bashar al-Assad it's a price worth paying. He wants to keep up the barrage in Aleppo and press ahead elsewhere.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BASHAR AL-ASSAD, SYRIAN PRESIDENT: It is adjacent to the Syrian and Turkish border. So you cannot cut. You have to keep claiming this area
and to push the terrorist to Turkey to go back to where they come from or to kill them. There is no other option, but I think it will be very
important spring board to do this.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
JONES: This interview comes just a day before new peace talks about diffusing Syria's crisis start in Switzerland. Let's get you out there
now. Our Nic Robertson is standing by for us in Geneva.
Nic, we'll talk about these peace talks in just a moment. But first of all, I want to ask you about this interview by Bashar al-Assad. In it he
was defiant and confident. Does he have good reason to be?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Look, you just have to listen to him and see right there, this is not a man who is about to
compromise on Aleppo. No amount of international pressure and clearly the implication of what he is saying is that they will crush all of the
opposition in Aleppo (inaudible) with 300,000 people is going to be crushed.
That is the direct implication before we get on to wherever else he is going to turn his troops. That's been the concern. Russia has not told
him to back off. Indeed Russian has been his ally in helping him.
The fact that he is going on and clear, as he says, terrorist out of other parts of the country, this is the rhetoric that has he's been using all
along. But there is no indication here that Assad and Russia and Iran are ready to stop after Aleppo.
That they feel that there is a military strategy, military gains to be made on the ground. Aleppo is key, very important for them, but they have
clearly been emboldened by his successes there having Russia on his side.
So you know, what is letting the world now know is essentially no one is going to stop them because he has the support that he needs and he is going
to continue the fight on the ground. So the idea of a humanitarian mission to Aleppo at the moment seems very, very remote -- Hannah.
JONES: And Nic, Sergei Lavrov and John Kerry about to knock their heads together again in a hope of trying to bring some sort of like compromised
conclusions to what's going on in Syria.
[15:20:05]And this is, of course, coming at a time when cold war relations must seem comparatively balmy.
ROBERTSON: The situation, the tensions between the United States and Russia has been escalating. The rhetoric has been ratcheting up. It's
almost a surprise, if you will, that Kerry would meet with Lavrov.
Look, both have said that they're determined to help, to do what they can to improve the situation in Aleppo, but if you just look at the dynamics of
the meeting that's been constructed here for Saturday, Russia appears very much the dominant member of the group.
Secretary Kerry is coming and there are a couple of other foreign ministers from Saudi Arabia, Iran, Qatar, and Turkey. Now Russia here doesn't seem
to be letting the United States bring each allies to the table.
The European, British, French, and Germans who are normally there with Secretary Kerry. So already you're seeing a situation at a diplomatic
level where Kerry is potentially disadvantaged.
Though the impetus here is on the Russian side. Lavrov is coming into this saying he is not expecting anything to come out of this, not expecting any
What he is saying, however, is he will press the United States to make good on previous commitments to previous U.N. resolutions. Precisely what he
means there isn't clear.
But the rhetoric from Russia and from Lavrov all along here has been that the United States is supporting the terrorists inside Syria rather than
trying to fight them. That's a narrative that he appears set to continue.
So what can be expected out of these talks here? Probably very little. On the plus side, they are meeting face to face after this rhetoric that's
been driving up the tensions between the two countries -- Hannah.
JONES: Nic, we know you'll stay across the talks for us there in Switzerland. Nic Robertson, thanks very much indeed.
ISIS is, as we were just hearing, a big problem in Syria and of course, right next door in Iraq as well. The Iraqi prime minister, Haider Al-Abadi
is promising to retake the strategic town of Hawijah from ISIS very soon.
And you can see it's very near Kirkuk and importantly Mosul, that's Iraq's second largest city. Iraqi forces have been advancing on Mosul for months
now. That battle there looms large.
Still to come on THE WORLD RIGHT NOW tonight, emotional scenes as girls, now women, kidnapped by Boko Haram are finally reunited with their
families. The latest twist in the saga of the Chibok girls next. Stay with us.
JONES: We are getting new details about the negotiations that led to the release of 21 Chibok school girls in Nigeria. A source says a, quote,
"number of Boko Haram commanders were released in direct exchange for the girls."
However, the Nigerian government denies a prisoner swap took place. Details aside, 21 girls are now free after two painfully long years in
David McKenzie joins me now live from Abuja in Nigeria. David, I want to talk to you first about the fate of these 21 girls, have we learned
anything yet about the ordeal they've gone through over the course of the last two years? And indeed the fate of their friends who are still
DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Now they will be helped, Hannah, by doctors and psychologists obviously most importantly meeting
with their family members. They have been separated from them in these harrowing circumstances from nearly a thousand days with Boko Haram, the
ISIS-lead group here in Northeast Nigeria.
They have gone through just like anything that other girls and women CNN have talked to have gone through abduction from this group a terrible time,
Some have been used as sex slaves, other hunkering down as both they get mistreated, of course, by their abductors, and face the bombs dropping from
the sky from the Nigerian and other military trying to squeeze that group out of this area that they have gone against for several years now, causing
millions to be displaced and tens of thousands killed.
But today a good, of course, these 21 girls are now safely here in Abuja, the first large scale exodus of the Chibok girls from the clutches of Boko
Haram released in a pre-dawn exchange, perhaps, as say this one source told CNN.
But others say it was some kind of negotiated settlement with Boko Haram on the border of Cameroon then brought through (inaudible) town to the capital
They met with the vice president, those emotional scenes as the government and the people of Nigeria, of course, celebrate. But this is also tinged
with sadness as those families from Chibok find out that perhaps their loved ones have not been freed and hoped against all hope that the rest of
those missing girls, more than 200 taken in 2014, could be released from Boko Haram -- Hannah.
JONES: David, we appreciate it. Thanks very much indeed. David McKenzie live for us there in Abuja, Nigeria.
Tens of thousands of mourners are saying their final farewells to the king of Thailand. He died on Thursday after a 70-year reign. Buddhist funeral
rites followed a procession through the capital of Bangkok. The king's body could now be on public view for as long as a year.
Coming up, Donald Trump is under pressure, but his supporters are still turning up in droves. We hear from some of them about why they are still
backing their man. Do stay with us.
HANNAH VAUGHAN JONES, CNN INTERNATIONAL GUEST ANCHOR: Welcome back. You're watching THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Two more women are coming forward to
accuse Donald Trump of unwanted sexual advances. One was a contestant on Trump's reality show, "The Apprentice." she said she decided to come
forward after the 2005 tape emerged showing Trump making lewd remarks about women. Trump is categorically denying all the claims of sexual assault.
New peace talks looking to diffuse the crisis in Syria are set to begin on Saturday, but they come just after the country's president, Bashar al-Assad
gave a defiant interview vowing to keep up his military assault on rebels in Eastern Aleppo and then (inaudible) other opposition elsewhere in the
The governor of the Bank of England says inflation will rise on products such as food because of the falling value of the pound. It comes a week
after the British Prime Minister Theresa May criticized the bank's policies. The value of the pound has dropped nearly 20 percent since
June's vote to leave the E.U.
There are just 25 days to go, just 25 days for Donald Trump to try to save his increasingly struggling presidential campaign as allegations of sexual
harassment continue to emerge. The polls show his past victory are narrowing and narrowing.
But in typical Trump fashion, he is fighting back and he is fighting back hard calling the allegations pure fiction and outright lies.
Here is how the "New York Post" newspaper puts it, Trump versus his accusers, the media, Republicans, Democrats, the world. Trump is still
packing in rallies with thousands of enthusiastic supporters. Many of them remain faithful and defiant despite sexual assault allegations.
Our Randi Kaye spoke to some of them at a Trump rally in West Palm Beach, Florida.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's never abused women, number one. He is a good father and a good husband.
RANDI KAYE, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: How do you know he's never abused women?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How do I know? Because I know people who know him personally.
KAYE: Why would these women come forward if it wasn't true?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does it really matter? Does it matter?
KAYE: What he allegedly did?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With the problems the country has, if he did grope a woman, does it really matter? Is it that important or we have bigger fish
KAYE: Why would they come forward even if it wasn't true --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who cares?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
JONES: OK, let's get more on all of this, Jack Kingston is a senior adviser with the Trump campaign. He is in New York. CNN political
commentator, Bill Press, is a Hillary Clinton supporter and joins me from Washington.
Gentleman, good evening. Thank you very much to both of you for being on the program. Jack, I would like to start with you, if I can, many senior
Republicans now backing away from your candidate, Donald Trump, saying it is impossible hard to defend the indefensible. Can you defend it?
JACK KINGSTON, SENIOR ADVISER, TRUMP CAMPAIGN: Well, let's say, number, a lot of the Republicans who have left are elected officials who are worried
about their own political situation and none of them have been a particular surprise. It really has not been that big of a number.
In terms of my situation, I have been involved as an employer with sexual misconduct cases. I take them very seriously. I know that Donald Trump
does. I know that the organization does.
Forty three percent of his employees are women. Yet the majority of his officers are female and they speak very highly of him and the way he
conducts himself in private. The opportunities that he has given women, the promotions he has given women and so forth.
I'm also a friend of Kellyanne Conway over 20 years and Mike Pence as well. These are very, very upright people. They would not put up with this sort
of thing, and I believe that if we look at Donald Trump of 11 years ago, saying things that were out of character with Main Street America.
He is different than the man that I have gotten to know over the last year. It's very, very important that if the media wants to litigate all of this
in public, in the 11th hour of a campaign, then I think it is also equally important to let him have his opportunity to speak and defend himself.
You know, there has been a lot of opportunities to bring the accusations up. He was very public person all of his adult life so I take them
seriously. I don't want to dismiss anything, but I also think that it is very important to let Donald Trump be heard on these matters.
[15:35:08]JONES: He is being heard. He's been at a rally just in the last hour. He is describing himself as the victim in all of this. You
mentioned that Kellyanne Conway and other women, who have senior roles within his campaign. Are you suggesting, though, that strong women can
stand up to Donald Trump, but weaker women can't?
KINGSTON: I'm not sure how you interpreted my statement to mean that at all. What I'm saying is that I've known Kellyanne for many years, and
Kellyanne is a very moral, upright person, who would not put up with any nonsense.
And the women who have worked with his Trump organizations have all had great reports in terms of his support of women, equal pay for women on his
initiatives on child care and so forth.
So what I'm saying is that it would be very, very out of character for him to, as a manager, have one style and then on his own, maybe privately have
this another style.
And so I think that it is extremely important that we as a society take any accusation of sexual misconduct seriously yet at the same time also realize
that if we are going to litigate it publicly, let's let the accused also participate --
JONES: I know we want to have a discussion about this, but we have heard you. And Bill Press, I want to bring you in. Your response to what we
just heard there from Jack Kingston?
BILL PRESS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I can't believe what I just heard. Number one, nobody ever accused Donald Trump of groping and offending every
single woman that he met. Of course, there are some women in his life that he has not attacked, right? But there's are sufficient number that he has
and first of all --
KINGSTON: He has --
PRESS: Please, please, please, I listened to you for 4 minutes, sir. It is my turn. I would respectfully ask you to let me respond. Thank you.
Number one, the idea that Donald Trump doesn't have a chance to respond is absurd. We have heard nothing but Donald Trump -- I just listened to a
speech for an hour by Donald Trump. This is all that he's talked about.
And all the he says is every day it changes. Number one, he calls them ugly saying, these women who are accusing me, they're not pretty enough for
me to grope.
Number two, he says he never met them, and these -- now we have six women. Every day there are more that come forward and Trump has promised yesterday
-- Mike Pence promised this morning that there would be evidence within hours that these women were lying. We have seen zero evidence. But let me
tell you --
KINGSTON: If you see that evidence --
JONES: Gentleman, we can't have you both talking over each other. Jack, I want to bring you back on this as well, but if we can just respond to that
specific claim then that Mike Pence has said earlier we would have evidence in the coming hours to discredit some of the allegations coming from these
women. What is that evidence?
KINGSTON: Let me ask my friend, Bill, this question. Should he present on evidence, are you going to accept it? Because I know it would be outside
the narrative and I'm saying as somebody who is an employer, who has been involved with these situations, you have to take them very, very seriously.
PRESS: Let me respond if I may. I am a journalist. I would do what any journalist does, I will look at the facts, judge the facts, and report the
facts. We have heard six women give very detailed explanations and accounts of areas where Donald Trump has treated them like sex objects.
If Donald Trump comes out with evidence that he did not know them, that he was not in the same place at the right time, that they are lying, of
course, I will consider the evidence. There is zero evidence on the table, sir.
KINGSTON: Why would you -- wait, you're not the jury. You said you were a journalist. Why would you consider the evidence as opposed to reporting
the evidence? I have to say that --
PRESS: I think I said both. We're getting lost in a conversation here --
JONES: OK, Jack, I want to ask you again now, are you concerned about more women --
PRESS: Six women have said --
KINGSTON: Here is one of the -- we just heard Bill say he would consider the evidence as if he was a judge rather than an objective non-partisan
Now here's one of the problems, I want to make sure you understand from the Trump conservative supporters is that so many of the reports come from
newspapers and publications who have absolutely done nothing, but Donald Trump for months and months.
One of the problems that I have again as a father of daughters, as an employer in the past of many women is that this is not the right way to
litigate this, and particularly when it's coming from extreme criticism -- critics of Donald Trump, not the women --
JONES: I'm going to jump in if I can. Bill, I want to ask a question now. Bill Press, I want to ask you this has not been a good week for Hillary
Clinton really either given the Wikileaks emails and the like. Could an October surprise, an 11th-hour surprise derail her campaign now.
PRESS: I've been around politics a long time. You never know what's going to happen, who knows? I haven't seen in these e-mail yet that would even
come close to derail her campaign, but I can't let that statement go away.
Look, indeed the question that Americans should be asking is do you want a man -- do you want your wife to be treated the way these women say Donald
Trump treated them? Do you want your daughter, somebody, who says you can call my daughter a nice piece of ass? Do you want a sexual pervert --
KINGSTON: You're deviating.
PRESS: Did he say it or not say it?
JONES: We will go back and forth no doubt. Gentlemen, we have to leave it there. Bill Press, Jack Kingston, thank you very much for your debate on
THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. We appreciate it. Thank you.
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JONES: The war in Syria has now been dragging Moscow and Washington's relationship through the mud for some time and many experts think the
situation between them has not been so bad since the Berlin wall was pulled down.
They have not been seeing eye-to-eye over Syria for a considerable amount of time, Russia helping the government pulverize much of Aleppo into dust.
You'll remember, of course, they are both (inaudible) Ukraine as well and just two flash points in America and Russia's broadest struggle for
influence and also for power, but where is that argument taking the rest of us?
Let's bring in CNN political contributor, Michael Weiss, to find out. Michael, this geo-political battle that's going on. We know that we got
John Kerry and Sergei Lavrov meeting in Geneva tomorrow to try to talk about Syria again, but this is a broader picture, isn't it? Is everything
in Syria on hold until we have a new president in the White House?
MICHAEL WEISS, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: I would say to. Barack Obama is meeting with his national security team today I believe or possibly Sunday
to discuss options in Aleppo, but most reporters have come to the consensus that Obama has no intention of really dramatically changing his policy.
[15:40:05]Now I have seen some evidence that Syrian rebels have begun to receive some man pads, which is to say surface-to-air missiles. Whether or
not that was authorized by the U.S. government or it's simply the Turks or the Saudis or the Qataris, you know, becoming fed up and trying to change
the balance of power remains to be seen.
It's also not big enough consignment to dramatically down Russian helicopters or Syrian helicopters. I think look, Moscow is now at a point
where Barack Obama is a lame duck president. He's got 100 days left in office.
They're waiting to see who becomes the next president. They are actively plumping and trying to sway the election in favor of Donald Trump, who is
now a complete dumpster fire of a candidate.
And the one thing they want to see is Hillary Clinton. They consider her to be a hawk, to be very much an establishment Democrat in the mold of John
F. Kennedy or her husband, a former president who will inaugurate a policy of, shall we say, containment of Russia.
I think the Clinton team realizes that we are now approaching a new cold war and you don't have to take my word for it. I mean, listen to the
former director of MI-6 who said exactly this in the British press this week.
He said if not -- we're at a more dangerous point than we have been since the collapse of communism and the trouble now is before it was two nuclear
super powers, Russia is a nuclear power obviously, but it's not a super power.
Its economy is very weak. Putin has shown to be erratic in his behavior and unpredictable. So the likelihood for any kind of confrontation, a
direct military confrontation between the U.S. and Russia is growing all the time.
JONES: Hillary Clinton has already said that should it be her administration, she would offer a no-fly zone. And if it is, another
Clinton administration that we see, if Russia is threatened then with war or conflict, what kind of an arsenal does it have to take on the west, to
take on the world?
WEISS: Well, the thing it doesn't have that significant of a deployment in Syria. There are about 40 aircraft. A few handful of which are the most
serious in the Russian arsenal in terms of air interceptors so establishing air superiority.
What they have done, though, is they have deployed some of their most sophisticated antiaircraft systems such as the S300 DM and the S400. These
are theoretically capable of taking out U.S. war planes, but I'm told by defense experts and people who know military matters much better than I
that the U.S. F-22 can actually invade the antiaircraft systems that Russia has got.
Look, this is doable. There is a very piece that was published by (inaudible), the left Israeli newspaper, discussing exactly the logistics
of the no-fly zone. You heard formally the chairman of the Joint Chiefs several years ago say it would require about 70,000 U.S. personnel to
That's probably not true. That was probably an exaggeration because there was a politically not to do a no-fly zone back then. But we already have,
you know, many countries in theatre waging this war against ISIS.
We have a French aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean. We got a U.S. aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean. We're flying sorties out of
multiple countries. This can be done.
Now the real question, million dollar question is what would Russia then do? I am increasingly at the persuasion that Russia is not prepared to go
to war with the United States over Syria. The Russian military does not think that the Assad regime is capable of taking back all of the country.
So why would he go to war for a client that he himself, meaning, Mr. Putin, he was something of a busted flush --
JONES: Now that is the question. We will have to leave. We are out of time. Michael Weiss, we appreciate it. Thanks very much for your
We want to turn now to Nice, France. The French president will be there on Saturday morning to lead a minute of silence remembering the 86 people who
lost their lives there in a horrific terrorist attack back in July. CNN's Melissa Bell has more.
MELISSA BELL, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Slowly at first, the white truck made its way down (inaudible) then with the crowds
that gathered for (inaudible) firmly in his sights, (inaudible) sped up.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It all happened so quickly. The truck was going about 70 miles per hour. My wife was about 10 feet in front of me and she
screamed out loud, Greg, look out there's a truck. I looked straight ahead and I saw the truck in front of me, a big white truck.
I had a choice to either to jump to my right or jump to my left because the truck was swerving so I had to make a decision which way to jump. I
decided to jump to my left, and thank God I did because if I didn't, I would have been dead.
BELL: Eighty six people did die in the attack and those survived suffered horrific injuries, road clash injuries, but on a massive scale. Greg's leg
was fractured in eight different places, but amidst the chaos, all he could do was wait for help.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: An ambulance didn't come for me because they were too busy with people who are dead or who are more injured than me.
[15:50:04]So a Good Samaritan, a French gentleman came by in his car and picked me up and whisked me to a hospital.
BELL: That night 300 people were treated here. It was the first time the doctors had seen anything like it. Sadly the man who saved Greg's leg
doesn't think it will be the last.
PROFESSOR PASCAL BALLEDIA, HOSPITAL PASTEUR: Unfortunately, this is what we have to face. We have to realize that that we're in war.
BELL: (Inaudible) was the third major terror attack in France over in 18 months period, but for the first time, the victims were mostly families.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have hatred, of course, for that person, you know, I have a lot of anger when I think about it. Why me? How could it be me and
BELL: Greg's 10-year-old daughter was also injured in the attack, but she was one of the lucky ones. That night ten children lost their lives.
UNIDENTIFIED CHILD: I was shouting like help, help. There was ambulances everywhere and people trying to help and taxis and it was just like a crazy
BELL (on camera): Do you know -- do you wonder about why what happened, happened?
UNIDENTIFIED CHILD: Well, I know that for some reason, it happened and I know that it is not like it was there for some reason it happened and only
God knows what it's for.
BELL (voice-over): Three months on the senseless of (inaudible) attack is remembered every day with flowers, poems, and toys. Melissa Bell, CNN,
JONES: Finally tonight, we want to show you a truly remarkable medical story, a rare operation to separate twin brothers conjoined at the head.
These 13-month-old boys are now apart for the first time.
CNN's chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta was in the operating theater, and I asked him what the mood was like in the room?
SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it's unlike anything I'd ever seen and you know, as a neurosurgeon, you know, you see lots of
different cases, but this is rare. This is a very rare thing. There was lots of people, dozens of people in the operating room, and they had all a
specific mission. I think what was really remarkable was how well the teams worked together, but also the meticulous planning that really goes
into it place here. Take a look.
GUPTA (voice-over): At 7:15 a.m., this is the day they have been waiting for the last year, to hope that Jadon and Arias, 13-month-old conjoined
twins will be separated at last.
(on camera): What was going through your mind?
NICOLE MCDONALD, JADON AND ANIAS' MOTHER: That it's not even real. To me it's like another surgery from (inaudible).
GUPTA: Are you talking to me?
(voice-over): Jadon and Anias were born sharing 1.5 centimeters of brain tissue. They are known as craniopagus twins and have undergone three
complex operations over the past five months to slowly separate them. Today is the fourth and final stage.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here is the model of our twins and we have -- this is Anias on this side and Jadon on this side.
GUPTA: No one in the world has operated on more twins like Jadon and Anias than neurosurgeon, Dr. James Goodrich.
(on camera): When you first met the McDonalds, did you lay out any specific statistics? Did you -- how did you approach it? Was it more of a
scientific discussion or an emotional one?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ideally we wanted the children to come out without neurological issues. You cannot separate two brains without the potential
risk of something happening.
GUPTA (voice-over): Helping improve those chances of a good outcome, 3-D models like these, life-like, anatomically perfect, and available in the
operating room. They act as a blueprint to practice and review before the operation begins.
(on camera): We want to give you a little idea of what is happening here. In order to do this operation, they have to continuously move Jadon and
Anias. So this is the position that they are in beforehand and they essentially put like this and then like this. So now they will focus on
this part of the bone and now this part of the brain.
(voice-over): At 4:30 p.m., about seven hours after the operation began, Nicole, Christian, and their entire family are playing the waiting game.
(on camera): Do you feel anxious, settled, how do you feel?
CHRISTIAN MCDONALD, JADON AND ANIAS' FATHER: I have a little nervous energy.
NICOLE MCDONALD: What is waiting in my stomach is that phone call. We're in the land of the unknown.
GUPTA (voice-over): An hour later, a surgical team hits the land of the unknown, and then well past midnight they continue to work through the
twin's brains, vein by vein, and then 2:11 a.m. --
(on camera): It's about 17 hours now since they've started operating and you can see for the first time, Jadon and Anias are on two separate
operating room tables. They still have a lot of work to do. There was a spontaneous round of applause when the separation finally occurred.
GUPTA: And Hannah, you know, it took some time as you might imagine for an operation as complicated as this. Again for Jadon, it was about 24 hours,
and his twin brother, Anias, I guess, about 30 hours of operating. So they're both back in the ICU. They're both back with mom and dad, and
we're just waiting to see how they are going to do.
MANN: It's an extraordinary story. Do we have any idea of the life expectancy or the quality of life now for these two little boys?
GUPTA: Well, you know, it's interesting. Without the operation, there is not a lot of children born like this so there is not a lot of statistics to
look at. But without the operation, what you typically hear is that 80 percent of children will die before the age of two unless they are
And only 10 percent of those that live beyond the age of two will actually make it to the age of ten. So this procedure for them in many ways not
just life improving, but live saving.
As far as how they are going to do now, it is very much depends on how they recover over the next several days, weeks, and months from, you know,
fairly major brain surgery. Major brain surgery on two small children at the same time. We have to see how they do from that to determine how life
will look like for them.
JONES: An extraordinary story. I just one more thing before we go. Getting up close to a great white shark may be a thrill for some people,
but one diver has a terrifying encounter with one off of the west coast of Mexico.
You're seeing the great white smash into the side of a cage. It lunged toward some bait meant to lure it, but inside the cage there is a diver
Few tense moments follow as the shark thrashes around trying to get out. And the great white is eventually freed, it frees itself, unfortunately,
there was a bit of a squirmish watching this and the diver also emerged shaken but unharmed.
This has been THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Thanks so much for watching. "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS" is up next.