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Crime and Justice With Ashleigh Banfield

The Mind of an Alleged Serial Killer; Robin Wright with "House of Cards" Secrets. Aired 8-9p ET

Aired October 17, 2016 - 20:00   ET

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[20:00:00] ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HLN HOST: Tonight -- he may just be America`s latest serial killer, spilling his guts and going on the record

with chilling descriptions of stabbing and choking and alleged murders.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: Does he have a weapon?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He has a taser, and I`m scared.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Why is this man leading police right to the bodies? And are there more waiting to be found?

And for any parent, this is just about as terrifying as it gets, a serial kidnapper. He`s done it not once but twice, even snatching a 6-year-old

from her own bedroom.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s a matter of time before he strikes again. We need to find him.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: We know his face, we know his car, but we do not know him. Not yet anyway. Where and when might he strike again?

And also tonight, "House of Cards" actress Robin Wright with me to talk about the hit Netflix show. She`s also going to share a little secret as

they film the next season.

Hello, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. And welcome to our very first edition of "PRIMETIME JUSTICE." I`m really glad you`re here tonight.

How many of you have said out loud or in your head, It`s not fair? Because if you`re like me, might be every day. And if you`re like my kids, it

might be every hour. But the honest truth is that every one of us feels like we need a little justice.

You are absolutely not alone. Some things make us angry and some things are outrageous, and some things polarize us and some things really bring us

together. We all have stories to share. Some of them make huge headlines, but some of those stories are never told. Perhaps they should be.

We are here to tell those stories. We hope we`re going to learn from them. Maybe, maybe, just maybe get a little justice for someone.

So let`s get started, shall we? There are few phrases in the English language that strike more fear, almost universally, than "serial killer."

So thank God, it`s a pretty rare phenomenon. But it`s why names like Dennis Rader and Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy endure as chilling examples

of when one of us strays so far from the flock.

Shawn Grate just might be one more name to add to the ranks. Make no mistake, he has not been convicted of anything yet. He has hardly even

been charged, people, and I am going to get to that in a moment because this is a strange story. But if what he says is true -- again, if what he

says is true -- then he is not a whole lot different than those other monsters.

To be clear, you almost never get a serial killer admitting that he`s a serial killer before any kind of trial. But that is exactly what we seem

to have here, Shawn Grate admitting that he`s a serial killer.

I want to take you back to how we ended up now in the headlines. You might remember hearing a 911 call in the small town of Ashland, Ohio. The

operator was probably just settling in for her long overnight shift when in came Jane Doe`s call. Jane Doe could only talk in a whisper because she

was lying right beside her kidnapper. He`d fallen asleep, and that was the perfect opportunity for her to grab his cell phone and make this call for

help.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`ve been abducted.

911 OPERATOR: Who abducted you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Shawn Grate.

911 OPERATOR: Where`s he at now?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: Where`s he sleeping at?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In the bedroom.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

BANFIELD: That brave woman led police right to their door, and she was rescued but not a moment too soon because stashed throughout that abandoned

home where she`d been tied up and she`d been assaulted were the rotting corpses of two other women. And Mr. Grate, while presumably still in

handcuffs, decided to tell police that they were indeed his victims. And that`s not all, that there were more victims. And then he led officers

right to their corpses.

At his court appearance, he pleaded not guilty. That is not unusual. But here is what`s unusual. Right out of thin air, Shawn Grate started talking

to the press and admitting in detail what he had done to all five of the women.

A journalist with WOIO got an exclusive interview with Shawn Grate at the jail, and this is what he told her. And I`m going to quote. "I strangled

them, all except Dana. I choked her out of panic, then I put a knife in her neck once." So in court, Shawn Grate says not guilty, but he is guilty

as sin by his own admission, which leaves the rest of us completely baffled.

[20:05:00]What kind of person talks in this kind of gruesome detail, especially in a death penalty state, Ohio? And more importantly, what sort

of person has this sort of evil deep in his heart? And how can the rest of us recognize it, if, God forbid, we come across it? Because if you look at

this picture, this man looks like any one of us.

Christina Hildreth might know a thing or two about him. She was his girlfriend. She lived with Shawn Grate for five years. And she is live

with me now.

Christina, thank you so much for coming to talk to me. It is a simple question. What was he like?

CHRISTINA HILDRETH, EX-GIRLFRIEND OF SHAWN GRATE: He was charming.

BANFIELD: Charming.

HILDRETH: Charming, handsome. He never -- you would never think he was any different.

BANFIELD: Was he always charming to you?

HILDRETH: In the beginning.

BANFIELD: And then what?

HILDRETH: After we moved in together, he changed.

BANFIELD: And what happened?

HILDRETH: He became controlling, possessive.

BANFIELD: What would he do?

HILDRETH: I wasn`t allowed to go check the mail. He`d run outside to check the mail, if I wanted to go outside. I wasn`t allowed to look out

the windows.

BANFIELD: You weren`t allowed to look out the windows?

HILDRETH: No.

BANFIELD: Of your own home?

HILDRETH: Right.

BANFIELD: And what other ways would he kind of control you?

HILDRETH: He tried to keep me from going to work. He would literally lay on top of me. He`d turn off my phone. He`d unplug the alarm clock. He`d

tell me, Oh, my dad will pay the bills. You don`t need to go to work.

BANFIELD: Did you try to get away? Were you rationalizing why you stayed with him? I mean, to me, it sounds like this is a red flag, Get out.

HILDRETH: Yes, it is. But when you have nowhere to go, you stay. And then they have a way of convincing you, Oh, no, I`m sorry, I`m not going to

do it again.

BANFIELD: This news is pretty fresh for a lot of people. And people who knew him are weighing in on whether this is surprise or not. Was it a

surprise to you to hear that he`s admitted to killing five women?

HILDRETH: Not really.

BANFIELD: Really?

HILDRETH: No.

BANFIELD: Is it -- I mean, I`m trying to -- I`m trying to get my head around the fact that a woman who lived with this man for five years thinks,

you know, OK, sure, that doesn`t surprise me.

HILDRETH: If it had been early in the relationship, then I would have said yes, it was surprising me. But there toward the end, no, nothing surprised

me.

BANFIELD: So was he violent with you?

HILDRETH: Yes.

BANFIELD: In what way?

HILDRETH: He broke my hand, blacked my eyes, strangled me, tied me up.

BANFIELD: He strangled you and tied you up?

HILDRETH: Uh-huh.

BANFIELD: One of the victims in this case was discovered bound and gagged and in the closet in this home, Elizabeth Griffith. And there was a

comment I think you had made at one point that that sounded like a familiar MO that you had experienced.

HILDRETH: Yes. I had been tied up multiple times, electrical cords, duct tape, electrical tape.

BANFIELD: Did you ever think it was going to lead to anything other than this kind of aggression or violence? Did you think -- did you fear for

your life?

HILDRETH: Yes, I did, on multiple occasions. I had told my mother several times, You`ve got to help me get out or something`s going to happen.

BANFIELD: How often in this five-year period did you feel this way?

HILDRETH: About the last two-and-a-half, three years.

BANFIELD: There were instances where you did try and get away.

HILDRETH: Uh-huh.

BANFIELD: And the instance where he broke your hand and you ended up in the hospital, you started telling anyone who would listen, I`m in trouble

and I need help.

HILDRETH: Right.

BANFIELD: And he did end up going to jail.

HILDRETH: Yes, after he hid in my home for a week up underneath my loveseat. He cut the bottom out of the couch and hid up inside the bottom

of it.

BANFIELD: So you would come home and you`d think that you were home alone, and he was hiding?

HILDRETH: He was there, yes.

BANFIELD: How often did that happen?

HILDRETH: That I knew of, once. But he admitted to me that he had been there the whole week.

BANFIELD: An entire week, he was in your home without you knowing?

HILDRETH: Right.

BANFIELD: The police came to your home once because there was a violent episode. Your neighbors heard. They called the police. But he had a hold

on you even with the police at the front door. What was -- what happened?

HILDRETH: He was standing behind me with a hammer and told me if I told them he was there, then he was going to hit me in the head with the hammer.

BANFIELD: And the police left.

HILDRETH: Yes.

BANFIELD: But ultimately, he did end up in jail. He told someone in jail his plans were for you.

HILDRETH: Yes.

BANFIELD: What was that?

HILDRETH: He told them that he was going to come back and get me.

BANFIELD: Did you believe it?

HILDRETH: Yes. Very much so.

BANFIELD: Did he find you when he got out?

HILDRETH: No, but a couple years after he had gotten out, he trackead down a friend of mine, tried to get her to tell him where I lived, my phone

number, things like that. She refused, told him give her his number and she`d give it to me.

BANFIELD: And he never found you.

HILDRETH: No.

BANFIELD: Did you have a restraining order?

HILDRETH: Yes, I had a five-year restraining order on him.

BANFIELD: Did you feel comfortable that it would do the trick?

HILDRETH: No. I moved several times.

BANFIELD: Listen, we are all gob-smacked at the story that Shawn Grate is telling police and reporters and anyone who will listen before they slapped

a gag order on the case, you know?

[20:10:06]CHILDRETH: Yes.

BANFIELD: But a lot of us are pretty circumspect about whether it`s five. We`re wondering if there are more. Do you have those thoughts?

HILDRETH: I do. I feel that there`s no way he went 10 years between his first victim and his second victim.

BANFIELD: Because there is this gap.

HILDRETH: Yea.

BANFIELD: In the five...

HILDRETH: Yes, about a 10-year gap.

BANFIELD: ... murders. You don`t think he went five years.

HILDRETH: I don`t think so.

BANFIELD: So why do you think he would only be copping to five, if there are more?

HILDRETH: I think he`s going to try to work it to get a deal. He doesn`t want to die.

BANFIELD: He has said as much. He has said that he`s afraid of the death penalty. Any idea why he would effectively give prosecutors every piece of

evidence they could possibly need for a death penalty?

HILDRETH: So that he can bait them and then get it taken off the table and reveal more.

BANFIELD: You think that`s what`s going to happen, that we`ll have more?

HILDRETH: Yes.

BANFIELD: Are there suspicions about other women who are missing? And have people been talking in your community about it?

HILDRETH: There have been rumors, but you really can`t, you know, speculate and say, Oh, yes, he did that one or -- you know, it`s -- there`s

a lot of rumors.

BANFIELD: Christina, he`s behind bars now. And if I were a betting woman, I would say you`re not going to need that restraining order anymore. He`s

probably never getting out.

HILDRETH: Right.

BANFIELD: But I do want to ask you if this is the first time you have felt completely safe.

HILDRETH: Pretty much.

BANFIELD: You have an amazing story to tell. Do you think you`ll be called as a witness in any kind of trial?

HILDRETH: I hope not.

BANFIELD: You don`t want to face him.

HILDRETH: No, I don`t.

BANFIELD: Can you be in the same room with him?

HILDRETH: I probably could now.

BANFIELD: (INAUDIBLE)

HILDRETH: Yes, it was a surprise when Marion (ph) got a hold of me and they were, like, Oh, well, you two were together when this happened. It`s,

like, Really?

BANFIELD: Well, Christina Hildreth, I can`t think you enough for helping us to try to figure this out because when I see pictures like that -- and

we have new names that surface with such deplorable details -- it`s a mystery to all of us.

HILDRETH: It is.

BANFIELD: Thank you. I appreciate your time. Thank you so much.

You know, Shawn Grate`s ex-girlfriend, Christina Hildreth, says she was not surprised that he turned out to be what he says he is.

But there`s another friend of Shawn Grate who was very surprised. Shawn Grate`s chilling words to a friend. "Meet the other me." What do you

suppose prompted him to tell his friend that? That friend, Tim Denis, is going to let us know in just a moment.

A little later on, "House of Cards" star Robin Wright is here. She`s going to give us an insider`s sneak peek at the making of season five. She`s got

a little secret to share, as well.

I`m Ashleigh Banfield. We`re just getting started.

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[20:16:46]BANFIELD: If his ex-girlfriend, Christina Hildreth, wasn`t surprised to find out what Shawn Grate had said he`d done, my next guest

certainly was surprised. Tim Denis had an intimate relationship with Shawn Grate, said he was charming, a perfect gentleman, all except for one

strange thing.

Tim Denis joins me now. Thank you so much, Mr. Denis. You were surprised to find out the news about Shawn Grate, that he`d been arrested and that he

was admitting to five murders, am I correct?

TIM DENIS, FMR. CLOSE FRIEND OF SHAWN GRATE: Yes. I was surprised, yes.

BANFIELD: Can you tell me why your -- your account is different than his ex-girlfriend who spent five years with him? She says she tried to warn

people that one day, he`d kill someone.

DENIS: You`re a little faint. I`m having a hard time hearing you.

BANFIELD: What made you surprised to find out that Shawn Grate had made these admissions?

DENIS: I`m sorry. Can you ask me that again?

BANFIELD: What surprised you about Shawn Grate`s admissions?

DENIS: Honestly, when you -- I`ve known Shawn for two years. I met him summer of 2013, and I -- the last conversation I had with him was the end

of 2015, in November.

And I have to tell you, it really doesn`t surprise me that he would admit to these things. In the times that we hung out together, he was always

pretty honest and forthright with me. And when I would ask him things -- you know, like he`d say he had a police report or something or something

happened, he`d tell me, I got busted for having drug paraphernalia and possession of marijuana or something. So he never really hid anything from

me. And I think that was part of his personality.

In fact, one of the things I noticed was when I heard the arraignment on him, when the judge told him he was on $1 million bond, and he said, Do you

have anything to say? And he says, No, sounds fair. And I thought that just sounds like Shawn.

BANFIELD: But he once said something to you that struck you as odd. I think you had -- he`d asked to borrow money, and you suggested that`s not a

good, you know, aspect of a relationship. And he said, Meet the other me. What did you take him to mean when he said that?

DENIS: Well, we had known each other for two years. I thought I knew Shawn. I mean, he had -- I would go over to his place and we`d play pool

together. He`d come to my house and we`d have dinners, swim in the pool, hang out in the hot tub. I took him to Amish country once, and we spent

the whole day there and had dinner together.

We just did so much together. He`d roast hot dogs out back and marshmallows. And there was one side of him that I saw that I thought was

the whole picture of Shawn. But then, when the time came eventually, and that would have been November of 2014, when I was taking him home, and he

said, Can I borrow $20? And I said, Shawn, I said, I`ve just had bad dealings with loaning out money to friends, so I just made a policy not do

to that.

[20:25:00]And so he understood, but he was upset. And then afterwards, later that night, I get this whole string of scathing messages from him.

In fact, I still have them on my phone. And he is just ripping me up one side and the other for not loaning him the $20.

Plus, the fact that he said, Actually, what I was going to really ask you for is a loan of $1,300 to buy a new planer (ph) to make his signs with.

He says, But obviously, that would have been a, No, hell, no. And I said, yes, it would have been.

So he just started to read me the riot act. He called me all these names, started pursing curses on me with his text messages. And then finally, at

the bottom of all that, he says, Meet the other me.

BANFIELD: That`s just chilling, obviously...

DENIS: Absolutely.

BANFIELD: ... Mr. Dennis, knowing now...

DENIS: Absolutely.

BANFIELD: ... what we all now know about the man you spent almost two years of your life with.

Thank you for helping us to try to round out this picture because it is still, I`ve got to be honest, I mean, extraordinarily mystifying. It

never...

DENIS: To me, he`s not a murderer. To me, he`s not a murderer. He`s still -- he`s still my friend, Shawn. And it`s just hard to wrestle with

that.

BANFIELD: Well, we`ll watch to see as additional details come in. Tim Denis, thank you so much for your time, sir.

DENIS: Thank you.

BANFIELD: You know, when it comes to an alleged serial killer, there is always this question -- are there any more bodies? And in a death penalty

state, the last thing you want -- your words coming back to haunt you. So in this case, how on earth do you defend this case? Former LA County

prosecutor Loni Coombs is with me, and defense attorney Mark Geragos, both of them coming up.

And you know her as Kevin Spacey`s conniving wife on "House of Cards," but in real life, she`s a total sweetie, and she`s actually working real hard

for justice. Robin Wright tells you her cause and a few other secrets this hour.

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[20:26:08]BANFIELD: With a serial killer and an investigation, everybody wants to make sure they got a full body count. But with the case of

suspected serial killer Shawn Grate, the jury`s still out. And how will a jury even view this case, if it ever does go to trial?

Joining me now, a couple of old friends, former prosecutor Loni Coombs and defense attorney Mark Geragos. Nice to have both of you with us on the

first show. Thanks for doing this, guys.

LONI COOMBS, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Great to see you.

MARK GERAGOS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: (INAUDIBLE)

BANFIELD: So the tough questions come now. First to you, Loni. As prosecutor, my thought is that when you`ve got a guy behind bars within

just days of these crimes being allegedly committed and he is effectively giving you every single detail that may forensically match, that is a gift

of God for a person of your ilk, isn`t it?

COOMBS: Oh, it is! I`ll tell you, any prosecutor would be really happy to get this case because they`re very serious charges. They`re horrendous

crimes, as the prosecutor described them, and there is a mountain of evidence against him. Besides being found in the house with the two

victims` bodies and the third victim, who was still alive who can actually testify to the jury and explain what happened, you have his confession

where he explains exactly what he did to these two women, who he`s now being charged with murdering. So it`s a great case for the prosecution,

and I do not envy the defense on this case.

BANFIELD: That`s you, Mark Geragos. Can I just read something that he told a reporter? A lesson to everyone, don`t talk if you`re in jail.

Listen to the Geragoses of the world and don`t do interviews with people like me.

This is what he said to this reporter. "I strangled all of them except Dana. I choked her out of panic, and then I put a knife in her neck once."

I want to go on because he had more details. He said, "I took her in the basement and took a knife and stabbed her in the throat. I had company

coming over soon." And then he said this. "All I wanted to do was show her that she wanted to live. I would choke her until she said she wanted

to live, and she just didn`t."

At times, he`s referring to different alleged victims here. Mark Geragos, how do you defend a case like this?

GERAGOS: Well, OK, this may be one of the most far-out liars that I`ve ever seen in terms of a case. Usually, you can`t get a client -- no matter

what the evidence is, you can`t get them to get a reality check. This is almost quite the opposite, almost reminds me of some of the clients who`ve

falsely confessed to stuff because it`s so over the top, it`s so unbelievable in terms of what the client or potential client is setting up.

And so that`s a problem, obviously. I mean, you -- I think there`s -- anything you do in this case is going to be towards mitigation. I mean, if

the evidence is there, if everything is corroborated that he`s saying to the evidence, then you`re going to look for mitigation. You`ll look for --

in other words, you`re going to look to take -- try to take the death penalty off the table.

BANFIELD: Well, and maybe use other victims as leverage, if there are others. We`ve seen that happen before. God, I hope that`s not the case in

this particular case because the prosecutor has said he`s very interested in the death penalty. Can you two stick around for a minute?

COOMBS: You bet.

GERAGOS: You got it.

BANFIELD: OK. Awesome. Loni Coombs and Mark Geragos are going to stay with us. I do have a couple of other stories that we`re tracking on

"PRIMETIME JUSTICE," so bear with me here.

Police in Utah say that they want to know why a father allegedly abandoned his own 5-year-old daughter in the middle of the night on a college campus.

Look at this security video. It`s unbelievable! She`s so small. And he just gives her his jacket and gives her a blanket and then walks away,

abandoning her.

It was a guard who found that little girl two hours later. She was badly shaken. She was extremely cold. But otherwise, she was OK, if you can

call it that. So far, the father has not been charged, but we are watching.

[20:30:03] Taking you to Florida now. A judge has sentenced the man convicted of shooting at George Zimmerman in the case of road rage. This

incident took place last May. Matthew Apperson was convicted of attempted second-degree murder, and for that, he got 20 years in prison.

And two former daycare teachers in New Jersey will not be going to jail, even after running a children`s fight club. The kids were ranging in age

from just 4 to 7 years old. In court, we learned one of the women even shared a video of the incident on Snap Chat. Both of the women pleaded

guilty to child abuse charges. The sentence they got, probation.

From serial killer to serial kidnapper. Scary thought, you`re not going to believe how much surveillance video of the incident in question there is.

Take a very close look. You could probably help out here. This video just might be this guy`s undoing. We have some serious questions ahead.

More than 3 million people joined Netflix in just the last three months. You can bet a lot of them are right now binging on "House of Cards." So in

a moment, meet Robin Wright, off the set with some secrets about what`s going on onset.

[20:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: When you tuck your kids into bed at night, all seems right in the world. But in Ohio tonight, parents are not resting so easy. It`s because

there`s a serial killer. A serial kidnapper lurking around the homes at night and actually breaking in and stealing kids out of their bed. This is

not far-fetched, it is true.

So far the FBI knows that he`s struck not once but twice, and they are now starting to look at other incident where this whole pattern fits his M.O.

In his first crime, he tried but failed to pull a 10-year-old girl out of her bed in her home and through a window. But then he set his sights on

another little girl, 6-year-old girl. Sadly this time he did it.

For 17 hours, he committed unspeakable crimes before releasing her. And now the FBI needs your help. And they have a lot to go on. Because he was

caught on videotape, clear as day, committing his crime. You can see his face. You can see his car. But somehow police still do not know who he is.

But you might. Especially since he`s all but smiling for the cameras that are capturing his every move.

It is so rare that we get this kind of surveillance video when someone is stalking and about to kidnap someone. But take a look at this suspect as he

walks down this alley. A couple of things to look at. Notice his step, his gait, seemingly shifting to the side every so often. Also, take note of his

clothing.

He`s got that gray hoodie pulled up and maybe even a ball cap underneath. And those sneakers, dark sneakers, but the bottom rim is light. Also,

notice all these images of him stalking these locations, silently going in and up to the homes. And then look what happens next. At one point, he gets

spooked, so spooked he breaks into a full run, full run to his car, jumping in and then backing out and speeding away.

But in perhaps the most disturbing surveillance video, here`s the suspect as he actually leaves the home after grabbing that little 6-year-old from

her bed. It is really hard to make it out. But that is the 6-year-old child in his arms as he takes her to his waiting car and then takes her away.

Joining me now, Melissa Neeley, anchor and reporter from CNN affiliate 700 WLW radio, and FBI special agent, Vicki Anderson. Thank you to you both.

Melissa, if I can start with you, when did they start to connect at least those first two kidnappings? And then the others that might actually be

similar enough to be part of his -- his whole stretch of crimes?

MELISSA NEELEY, ANCHOR AND REPORTER, 700 WLW: Well, there`s two things connecting these crimes, and that is the description of the suspect, and as

you stated and as we saw in the video, it`s a young man in his 30s, dark hair, beard, wears a hoodie. He`s been seen in different colored hoodies,

black one and maroon one.

In that video, there was a gray one. And then also, there has been forensic evidence that has connected at least the attempted abduction of the 10-

year-old and also the kidnapping of the 6-year-old.

BANFIELD: Special Agent Anderson, I want to show the audience very specific video right now. Again, just gobs of evidence from the surveillance

pictures. But the car that he`s driving is extremely unique. When you look at it, you`ll see that the front quarter panel is a different color than

the rest of the vehicle. See the circle? It`s light gray or at least much, much lighter than the rest of the car.

Someone out there has to have seen a car like this. Someone has to know someone who has a car like this. It`s bizarre. It also has a spoiler on the

back, that`s after market. The rear brake light is in the back window as well. So there`s really unique pieces of evidence that come with this

crime.

I want you to tell me about the 6-year-old. I know the 10-year-old abduction failed. She was able to wriggle free and get to her dad`s

bedroom. But the 6-year-old did actually happened, the abduction happened. Where did he take her? what happened?

[20:40:00] VICKI ANDERSON, FBI SPECIAL AGENT: Yes. Thank you for letting us tell the story on national T.V. We really appreciate it. On May 21, 2016, a

6-year-old was abducted from the couch of her living room. We believe our suspect entered into a window that was unlocked, walked into the house and

scooped our little girl off of the couch. And proceeded out the front door with her.

As you can see from the videotape, like you said earlier, he exited the front door and went across the street. We`re unsure where he parked his car

that night. But it`s very clear in the other days that he was in that neighborhood, that car, we think it`s very distinct. He took the little

girl, he made her ride in the floor board of the front seat. And that way she couldn`t see where they were going.

There was no land marks. She couldn`t tell anything. He made her ride in the floor board and then they proceeded to some location, obviously that

location is unknown to us at this time. He kept her there all day. He had her for a complete 17 hours, from the time that he abducted her at 4:19

a.m. and then he let her go at 9:30 p.m.

As you said, these are not things that we`re going to describe what he did to her, but it`s a parent`s worst nightmare to have this done to their

child. He let the girl out at 9:30 p.m. She was able to walk to a house that had a front porch light on. She knocked on that door.

And those individuals knew who she was, because she had been missing all day. So we had her all over the media in Cleveland. Everybody knew who she

was, because everyone was looking for her. They immediately called Cleveland PD.

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BANFIELD: And remarkable that she`s alive and back with us, but she`s obviously never going to be the same. Those details, I`m sure we can

imagine after 17 hours. I want you both to stick around if you will. Melissa Neeley, thank you so much. And Vicki, I`m gonna talk to you in a

moment.

The chances are that this guy will get caught. The 6-year-old girl that he allegedly kidnapped reportedly had the details from his neatly trimmed

beard to riding on the floor board of the car, even the wallpaper design in the place where she was held. Key evidence. We`ll tell you about it. We are

not done yet.

And we`re just minutes from meeting "House of Cards" star Robin Wright for the lowdown on the show that she`s doing right now, the off camera project

that is near and dear to her heart. It means justice for millions. You`ll find out all about it straight from her.

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BANFIELD: The FBI and local law enforcement are trying to catch a predator. From what we can tell, he preys on very young girls tucked in their beds at

night, and that is terrifying news. But then there`s comforting news, somewhat. There is virtually a ton of surveillance evidence, loads and

loads of details that actually could catch this guy and land this serial kidnapper where he belongs, in custody. Hopefully for a very long time.

Joining me now again, FBI special agent Vicki Anderson and defense attorney Mark Geragos. Agent Anderson, I want to ask you about some of the

remarkable details that this little 6-year-old little girl who ultimately got away after 17 hours ordeal. She gave details that are so specific,

especially for a child. She could describe the wallpaper in the home where she had been taken.

ANDERSON: Right.

BANFIELD: She said it looked like a hunting scene, maybe deer or moose. She could describe that it was a small brick home with a white door and a black

fence of some kind or iron porch perhaps it is. And she also said, and this was maybe the most shocking, there was someone else in that home. She could

hear I think two people come in and make dinner for her abductor while she was being secreted away, presumably in a bedroom. Are those facts accurate?

ANDERSON: Some of them are. Some of them we need to clarify a little bit. You`re right, the 6-year-old was taken to a location. You know, that brick

house that we initially put out in a press release turned out in fact to be the house that she went to when she was recovered. Again, we`re talking

about a 6-year-old who has gone through a traumatic day, has been -- you know, we don`t even want to talk about those things.

So we had to kind of really be measured with what we need to talk about and what we need the public to look at. So the things we`re most interested in

is for the public to take a look at those surveillance videos, at his car, at him in the streets, behind her home, days before he actually abducted

her. Those are the two most important things.

She did indicate that there were moose or reindeer, she called them reindeer on the wall. She described it as a wall covering, so we`re unsure,

does that mean a mural on one wall, does that mean wallpaper. She did say that there were pictures. And she did indicate that there was a woman in

the house.

That this woman cooked chicken, that she burned it because she smelled it. And that the woman yelled to the guy that had her and asked if he wanted

something to eat. She said he did leave from where she was been hidden and he grabbed some chicken and came he back. She saw the chicken in his hand.

And the woman eventually left the place they were at.

BANFIELD: Let me -- let me ask Mark Geragos about that. Mark, that was fascinating, the specific details from a 6-year-old. If this man is caught

and that 6-year-old has to testify, you just heard the agent say the initial details turned out to be the other house. When you have a 6-year-

old as your star witness, you`re a defense attorney. That helps whoever this man is.

[20:50:00] MARK GERAGOS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, the thing is, whether or not the witness is going to be able to be qualified. And the first step is

competency. Is the witness able to tell the difference between right and wrong? Is the witness able to testify? And the witness, the child may not

be.

But ultimately, I don`t know that they necessarily need the kid, because once you`ve got the video, and once you`ve got the surveillance tapes, and

once you found the car and everything else, a lot of jurors I always find, they like the circumstantial evidence of a case infinitely more than the

obvious stuff.

So I don`t know that the kid would ultimately be a star witness so to speak and whether she would be found to be competent to testify in the first

place.

BANFIELD: Mark Geragos, thank you sir. Agent Vicki Anderson, thank you as well for your details. Best of luck to you and your team as you try to find

this man. I`m going to move to something else.

You love her as the steely ice queen on "House of Cards." but in person, she`s super warm and super sweet and cute and adorable and all the rest. By

the way, there are some things that Robin Wright and her character share. Surprised? You`re going to find out in just a minute.

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ROBIN WRIGHT, ACTRESS AND DIRECTOR, ACTIVIST, STARS AS CLAIRE UNDERWOOD IN THE NETFLIX SERIES "HOUSE OF CARDS": I became pregnant as a result of a

sexual assault.

BANFIELD: Are you saying that you -- you were.

WRIGHT: Raped.

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BANFIELD: Okay, that was the highlight of my non-journalism career on "House of Cards" playing myself, interviewing the lovely and talented

Claire Underwood played by Robin Wright. Sexual assault was the subject of that interview that we did.

WRIGHT: Yes.

BANFIELD: And it is also a topic that`s a real-life issue for you. You hold it near and dear to your heart. This is something that you`re starting to

take a great deal of interest in. I wanted to get you on the show, because this is also something that we`ve been doing a lot lately, especially with

the Stanford rape case.

We had so much reaction after we read a portion of the survivor`s letter on the air. And I know you had a visceral reaction to what his -- what the

rapist`s father said, that`s a steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action out of 20 years plus life.

WRIGHT: I mean, six months was his sentence, right? And he only served three. I mean just that injustice in and of itself that it was such a small

amount of time. For three felony accounts he had, right?

BANFIELD: Yeah. And it was sort of a viral issue, and it really drew a lot of attention to the topic. The issue of rape doesn`t get as much attention

around the globe. And it`s used as a weapon of war. It is used -- I think a lot of people don`t realize it, but some of the minerals that are used in

our electronics actually have caused wars that women have suffered from, and you took that issue up. How did you end up in the Congo again?

WRIGHT: It was over 11 years ago when I was basically educated about the crisis, and that we are directly and inadvertently perpetuating a war by

purchasing these gadgets, these devices that we use everyday. We`re not going to stop being consumers, but what`s happening is, the companies that

are receiving the funds from our electronic companies, it`s going to fund the militia on the ground who are dismantling villages, raping women.

And I just decided to get on this band wagon of spreading the word because no one knows. Over 5 million lives have been taken. Every 48 minutes a

woman is raped. It`s insane.

BANFIELD: Every 48 minutes?

WRIGHT: Every 48 minutes.

BANFIELD: You had a -- I want to play a little moment of you over in the Congo addressing that very topic which I`m sure people over there may be

don`t talk about it a lot. But have a listen to Robin Wright as she was on her trip to Congo.

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WRIGHT: Rape is the same as a weapon or a bullet. Rape is used to gain power through humiliation and the destruction of communities.

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BANFIELD: So one of the interesting issues for Robin, and I want to do a big plug for you, you decided to start a sleep wear line and sell jammies

and special things, and take the money and actually put it to work to stop what you saw going on, to help those women.

WRIGHT: Yes. It`s basically for renewal. It`s post trauma. Because, you know, these are two activities going on simultaneously is that we`re trying

to advocate for transparency in Congo mining. That`s one aspect politically that we want D.C. to wake up and basically convene the parties. And then I

just decided this is a way to engage the consumers, especially women who want to buy jammy, soft fabrics that are beautiful and sexy.

BANFIELD: You almost sound like Claire Underwood, that`s what she`s known for. By the way, "Pour Les Femmes" is the name, plfdreams.com. Go by the

jammies and do yourself a favor, make yourself feel good because you`re doing favors for lots of people. Okay, now about what`s going on the set. I

miss you guys. I had all of the whole day with you.

WRIGHT: You were so good. We would like to have you back. Can you just become a regular on the show?

(LAUGHTER)

BANFIELD: It was fun, but I`ll tell you what, it`s hard. I didn`t realize it was so hard. You guys actually really work hard.

WRIGHT: It`s grueling, it is, but it`s fun. We have so much fun. And I know you want to get some spoilers out of me.

BANFIELD: Yeah.

WRIGHT: You know that we have the "House of Cards" warden, I would be imprisoned and the guillotine would come out. But I was thinking, the

debate that is going on, this presidential -- they are getting so much juicy information and material for season six.

BANFIELD: They`re watching all this material.

WRIGHT: Come on.

BANFIELD: . and writing on it?

WRIGHT: I mean, the circus that`s going on right now.

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: I can`t wait! Thanks for doing that great work, you know.

WRIGHT: Thank you. It`s really good to be here.

BANFIELD: It`s really good that you can do that. It`s terrific that you use your celebrity and your status to do that kind of stuff for everyone else.

Robin Wright.

[21:00:00] WRIGHT: Thank you, Ashleigh.

BANFIELD: Thank you everyone for being with us on our first night. We`ll see you again back here at 8:00 for PRIMETIME JUSTICE.

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