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ISIS Atrocities Reported As Forces Close In Mosul; French Crews Dismantling The "Jungle"; Trump Hits Hard On Obamacare Cost Increases; Apple's Annual Sales Fall For First Time Since 2001; Tapes Show Trump Loves To Fight, Hates To Lose; Obama Mocks Trump's "Breadth Of Experience" In 2011; Cleveland Wins World Series Opener 6-0; "The Guardian" Issues List Of Useless Procedures. Aired 1-2a ET
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[01:00:00] ISHA SESAY, CNN ANCHOR: You're watching CNN NEWSROOM live from Los Angeles.
JOHN VAUSE, CNN ANCHOR: Ahead this hour, taking the fight to ISIS as the Iraqi-led coalition encircles Mosul. Plans are being made to open another front against the terror group.
SESAY: Plus, smoke and flames rise over the Jungle as authorities try to clear out the refugee camp in Calais, France.
VAUSE: A sharp increase in the cost of Obamacare gives a floundering Trump campaign a newline of attack on Hillary Clinton and the democrats.
SESAY: Hello, and thank you for joining us. I'm Isha Sesay.
VAUSE: Great to have you with us, I'm John Vause. You're watching the second hour of NEWSROOM L.A.
The Iraqi-led offensive to retake Mosul is intensifying with fighting reported inside the city. Sources say resistance snipers are targeting ISIS fighters from rooftops.
SESAY: The U.N. says one and a half million civilians are in Mosul and there are early reports of ISIS killing scores of people there in the past week. Even as that offensive heats up, the U.S. defense secretary says another battle will move forward to retake the militant's stronghold in Raqqah, Syria.
VAUSE: Let's go to Michael Holmes is near Mosul, close to the front lines, he joins us now. So, Michael, what is the very latest there this morning in terms of what the coalition is doing? And what remains now between the Iraqi coalition and actually moving into the city itself?
MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Really, time and distance and consolidation, I think, would be the word, John. Kurdish forces at their closest point to Mosul are probably eight kilometers or so from the outskirts of the city, but it's far from a uniform circle. There still needs to be advances made from the south to southeast, the east as well where -- we are in Bashiqa, an important battle going on at the moment. We just heard more heavy machinegun fire down in that town. The Kurdish forces surrounded a couple of days ago and began probing, they were met with suicide vehicles being driven at them and sniper fire, they then stayed back for the last day or two, and we've been hearing, today for example, at least half a dozen heavy bombs, probably 500-pound bombs dropped from the skies. There's been artillery shells going in, and as I say, some heavy machine gun fire sporadically as well.
So, Kurdish force is trying to take this town of Bashiqa, which is important strategically because it is on the road to Mosul, a road that is an important supply route for ISIS into Mosul, but also a road that these forces will travel on to get close to. So they've got to consolidate that circle around Mosul, and to the west of the city that is still ISIS territory all the way to the Syrian border. And we've heard reports of ISIS fighters and leaders and families are heading across that way and into Syria. So, there's still a lot of encircling to be done, I can hear more of the heavy machine gun fire down in Bashiqa right now, so that a battle to take that town still very much on, John.
VAUSE: And Michael, the U.S. Defense Secretary is among those who are praising the Iraqi coalition, as well as this military offensive. This is what Ash Carter had to say.
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ASH CARTER, UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: It has been proceeding as planned. As you know, we've recently reached a critical milestone in that plan. With our local partners and the Iraqi Security Forces and the Kurdish Peshmerga, having commenced the operation to envelope and collapse ISIL's control over the City of Mosul. The Iraqis are fighting with skill and commitment and courage enabled by the coalition.
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VAUSE: And then he added that an assault on Raqqah in neighboring Syria could soon be under way it may even overlap, and that would be a very different offensive though compared to the one under way right now for Mosul.
HOLMES: Yeah, absolutely. Very different, of course, that is ISIS's de facto capital. They will defend that, one imagines with everything they've got. You're right, it's a different city, it's a different country, and that's important to remember, too. Here, the fight for Mosul is ostensibly under a central government, the Iraqi government, the fight for Raqqah will not be, and a bit more of a disparate force, too. The Syrian democratic forces will probably lead the charge, that's a largely Kurdish group, but they're incorporating a lot of Arab elements into it. Turkey has a great interest on who's going to be doing the fighting in that part of this region as well. But that will be a far more defended city than even Mosul, which we understand has been fortified in the last couple of days. We're being told with Mosul there of being more of the truck and car bombs positioned around the outskirts of the city as the first line of defense, and also, Katusha rocket launching positions set up on three sides of Mosul. But, yeah, when it comes to Raqqah, it's a different place geographically, it's a different place in terms of those who will be doing the fighting, and the air power going to be of considerable importance there. And as I said, one of the most important things, no central government overseeing that battle, John.
VAUSE: OK, Michael. We appreciate the analysis, we appreciate the update. Thank you.
SESAY: Well, ISIS has had two years to prepare for this fight, planting explosive booby-traps everywhere. The militants are also setting fires, using the smoke to hide from aircraft. But it's no match for the rocket technology, the U.S. led coalition brings to this battle. Arwa Damon reports.
ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: This is Qayyarah West, America's largest forward position in Iraq, at the forefront of the battle for Mosul.
From the moment you get a call, you can be mobile in this, and out firing on to an enemy position within two minutes.
LIEUTENANT KEEGAN ALDRIDGE, U.S. ARMY: Correct.
Lieutenant Keegan Aldridge shows us the latest generation of precision artillery.
ALDRIDGE: So we are the furthest reaching artillery system on the battlefield, highly accurate and highly precise because our system minimizes the collateral damage, obviously because there's a lot of urban targets that we are prosecuting.
DAMON: This sprawling facility was a base during the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq. Some of the blast walls are from those days. When ISIS was finally driven out in August, they destroyed the runway. Mounds of earth-hid bombs and buildings were booby-trapped. Now, the runway is clear, and hundreds of troops are based here. Some sleep in tents, others in bunkers. And I see everyone has their gas masks?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, and we've needed them in the past couple of days.
DAMON: That's because of noxious smoke from a fire set by ISIS at a nearby sulfur plant, which casts a dense pall over a huge area. Inside the joint operations center, commanders closely watch drone feeds that we cannot show. Right now, a group of ISIS fighters is the target. Cheers erupt as they are hit.
MAJOR CHRISTOPHER PARKER, COALITION SPOKESMAN: The fire support that we've been providing for this operation has been unprecedented. Since Mosul liberation kicked off, we've dropped over 1,700 munitions.
DAMON: But if all goes according to plan, the operation will have to change.
PARKER: The civilian population does complicate the situation and avoiding civilian casualties is a very high priority for the coalition, obviously. So, it will change the way that we look at our targeting.
DAMON: ISIS has long shown that it's a determined, cunning enemy. And the enemy always has a vote?
PARKER: I believe, in what I've seen from our Iraqi and Peshmerga forces, the cooperation and level of support the coalition is providing, I believe that our vote will outweigh their vote.
DAMON: But what is a win in a country that has already lost so much? Arwa Damon, CNN, Qayyarah Airbase, Iraq.
SESAY: Turning now to Europe and France is tearing down a symbol of the migrant crisis. The vast camp in Calais, known as the Jungle, but it hasn't been easy. Migrants set fire to empty shelters Tuesday before demolition crews could get started. The government has been trying to do this for more than a year, but was repeatedly shut down in court.
VAUSE: More than 4,000 people have been evicted since Monday. France wants the camp cleared within a week.
SESAY: Well, let's bring in Sarah Story, she's the co-founder of the refugee InfoBus, which provides legal resources and internet access to refugees in Northern France. She joins me now on the phone from Calais. Sarah, thank you so much for joining us. As we understand it, there are still thousands of people refusing to leave the Jungle. At this point, any signs that authorities will forcibly remove them?
SARAH STORY, CO-FOUNDER OF THE REFUGEE INFO BUS: Hello there, thank you. And at present -- and if you don't know how many people are refusing to leave the Jungle, at present there are kids of over a thousand people every day wanting to leave the Jungle, and there have been - yesterday, there was over 500 children (INAUDIBLE) small space and waiting to register to be perfect -- to either go to the U.K. or to go to other accommodation centers in France. And it is unclear how the week will unfold, but at present there are many people still wanting to leave the Jungle.
SESAY: All right. As we mentioned, you're the co-founder of the refugee InfoBus. Talk to me about the flow of information to these migrants and refugees. How well-informed are they of the process, and what lies ahead?
STORY: People are chronically uninformed. Sadly, people are chronically uninformed about the problems obtaining asylum in the U.K and often have a very idealistic view of what the U.K. asylum system is like. In regards to the eviction, their lack of information has been appalling, and the authorities has been in whispers negotiations with NGO's, after whispered negotiations with community leaders where they have promised the world to certain people, they promised that if they have fingerprints in other countries or if they do not have adequate asylum application, they will not be deported. And that none of these promises have been written down, and after much pressure from many charities and organizations working on the ground, the government has still refused to put these promises that they're saying - that they're telling community leaders in writing. Many people are queuing on the bus - queuing to go on buses for four hours, having no idea where they're going or what their future will hold. And there is very little information sent out to anybody in different languages. And with regards to children, yesterday was the fifth day that children have been told to wait and register, and they've been to the many registers, they've been told to go to different places for ATM, which is meant that children have been getting up at 6:00 and waiting in the cold for two hours before the registration centers even open. Yesterday, and our colleagues met a boy who was queuing from 7:00 A.M. until 5:00 P.M. to try and register to be taken out of the Calais Jungle refugee camp, but then -- and he was refused at 5:00 because they closed and he didn't have anywhere to stay that night. And we're a very small organization, and we have been providing multilingual information regarding what the authorities are telling us about the eviction to try and give refugees some idea about what can happen to them in the future, either in the U.K. or in France, and some assistance with legal help.
SESAY: Well, Sarah, it's -- the work you're doing is extremely important and obviously very much needed at this point in time there in Calais. We appreciate you joining us and just giving us some insight into the difficulties the thousands are facing as they make this move away from the Jungle. Thank you very much.
VAUSE: Still no sign of a high-profile kidnapping victim who was taken on the French Riviera. Jacqueline Veyrac owns the five-star Grand Hotel in Cannes.
SESAY: Officials are saying masked men grabbed her as she was getting into her SUV outside a pharmacy in Nice on Monday. Witnesses tell CNN's French affiliate BFMTV, that the kidnappers gagged the 76-year- old woman with a cloth and pushed her into a white van. Veyrac escaped in the attempted kidnapping in the same spot three years ago.
VAUSE: Investigators in Australia still don't know the cause of a deadly accident at a major theme park outside Brisbane. Four adults were killed when Dreamworld's Thunder River Rapids malfunctioned.
SESAY: Police say two rafts collided, one flipped over throwing two victims off and trapping four people beneath it. Two children survived the accident. The park has been closed indefinitely.
VAUSE: And in Canada, a nurse is charged with eight counts of first- degree murder in Ontario.
SESAY: The 49-year-old is accused of poisoning eight elderly people over seven years at assisted living homes. The victims were between 75 and 96 years old. Police would not discuss a possible motive.
VAUSE: We'll take a short break, when we come back, Donald Trump talking tough on Obamacare, but straying off message, he wants to take a swing at the U.S. Vice President Joe Biden.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Did you see where
Biden wants to take me to the back of the barn? Me? He wants it. I'd love that. I'd love that. Mr. Tough Guy. You know, he's Mr. Tough Guy.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
[01:15:00] DON RIDDELL, CNN SPORTS ANCHOR: Hi, I'm Don Riddell with your CNN WORLD SPORT headlines. In the Premier League right now, five teams are within just one point of the lead, but there are always distractions to be managed in the fourth round of the EFL Cup presented one on Tuesday night. For Liverpool and Tottenham, both managers fielded largely reserve teams. Daniel Sturridge scored twice for the Reds as they beat Spurs 2-1, moving into the quarterfinals.
Tuesday, also saw A.C. Milan in action, a team that had been down on its luck in recent times. The (INAUDIBLE) were coming off a big win this past weekend over Juventus, however, Milan's luck wouldn't continue on the road at Genoa. It didn't help that they had to play for more than half an hour with just 10 men.
Genoa easing to victory by 3 goals to nil. And finally, play continued for the group match round at the WTA finals on Tuesday. Angelique Kerber continues her good form of late. The breakout star of the year with two major titles and the world number one ranking is hoping to sign off 2016 in style, and so far, it's going to plan. Kerber had a commanding win over Simona Halep, 6-4, 6-2. She's all but through to the semi-finals in Singapore. And meanwhile, American Madison Keys made quick work of Dominika Cibulkova, 1-4. Two winners, Kerber and Keys will face each other in the final group match Thursday. Those are your sports headlines. I'm Don Riddell.
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VAUSE: It's all about Florida, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are fighting for votes. There is a crucial swing state in the U.S. Presidential Race. Trump rallied his supporters on Tuesday by blasting Obamacare, after government reports said premiums will go up on average, 22 percent next year.
SESAY: The Obama administration said the increases will be mostly offset by subsidies. But Trump vowed once again to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: It is the stupidity of our politicians who rammed this monster down our throats. And I'll tell you, from the beginning, I was against it. From the beginning, I said it wasn't going to work, and it didn't work. It didn't work. And it's going to get worse. And Hillary Clinton wants to keep it. She wants to spend a fortune on it. She wants to keep it. And your numbers are going to get up, up, up, and it's going to get worse, worse, worse.
(END VIDEO CLIP) VAUSE: Joining us again, Wendy Greuel from L.A. City Councilwoman and Hillary Clinton supporter. Also, CNN political commentator John Phillips, Trump supporter, Talk Radio host, columnist, Orange County register and all around your busy guy, does lots of stuff.
SESAY: He never sleeps.
VAUSE: He never sleeps. OK. Let's stick with the Obamacare Act, because two weeks to go -- less than two weeks to go, this is exactly what, you know, the republicans are hoping for. A new line of attack for a campaign which is really struggling right now. But then he kind of blew it. Listen to this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: And I can say all of my employees are having a tremendous problem with Obamacare. You folks, this is a another group, is that a correct statement? I mean, you look at what they've going through - what they're going through with their health care is horrible because of Obamacare. So, we'll repeal it and replace it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VAUSE: The problem is his workers don't have Obamacare, they have the - you know, their health care provider for by Trump Enterprises. Hillary Clinton was asked about this, and her response wasn't great either. Listen to this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HILLARY CLINTON, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The costs have gone up too much. So, we're going to really tackle that, we're going to get co-pays and premiums and deductibles down, we're going to tackle prescription-drug costs. And we can do that without ripping away the insurance that people now have.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VAUSE: So, John, Donald Trump doesn't actually know what Obamacare is, and Hillary Clinton just opened herself up to the attack that Trump has been making, you've been there for 30 years, why haven't you done it already?
JOHN PHILLIPS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: What a contrast. Hillary is now compared to the Hillary Clinton during the Democratic Primary, where any criticism of Obamacare by Bernie Sanders or any of the other democrats who are running early on in the process was heresy, because how can you criticize this wonderful piece of legislation. And now, we're learning that what the critics were saying all along was true. That this thing costs a fortune, and it's funny that the president is saying, "Oh, don't worry about the costs, because subsidies will take care of the rest of it." Well, where do the subsidies come from? They come from taxpayers.
VAUSE: The Medicare love it. Yeah. Wendy? WENDY GREUEL, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: Well, it is, when you think of the subsidies that they're talking about, and is in a tax credit when you go forward. It's - was always planned in that way. Yes, they are going up, but what Hillary has said all along has been - there needs to be a fixed, that Obamacare has some things that in its implementation didn't go exactly the way they had planned. And so, therefore, wants to work for bipartisan support to put in some of those changes. The challenge is that when you look at Trump, he cannot tell you what he will have in place of Obamacare, he can't tell you what the 20 million people who now have access to that health care would do after that. It's about a one-line, it's about not substance. And Hillary Clinton is saying there are benefits that Obamacare has provided, and we will look at ways to improve it when she's President of the United States.
SESAY: Uh-hmm. All right. Let's move away from Obamacare and talk about this extraordinary exchange that played out on Tuesday between former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Megyn Kelly, just extraordinary. Take a look.
VAUSE: TV gold.
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MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS THE KELLY FILE HOST: If Trump is a sexual predator, that is -
NEWT GINGRICH: TRUMP CAMPAIGN SURROGATE: He's not a sexual predator. You can't say that. You could not defend that statement.
KELLY: OK. That's your opinion. I'm not taking a position on it. I'm not taking a position on it.
GINGRICH: Now, I'm sick and tired of people like you using language that's inflammatory that's not true. When you want to go back through the tapes of your show recently, you are fascinated with sex and you don't care about public policy. Now, that's what I get out of watching you tonight.
KELLY: Oh, really?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SESAY: Wow. I mean, John, that - it kind of blows my mind, really. Is that the kind of exchange that the Trump campaign should be having two weeks before the election when they're down 20 points according to ABC poll with women?
PHILLIP: I want to see you and John fight like that. That's my goal.
VAUSE: We do. It's so typical of us.
SESAY: We do. We do.
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VAUSE: -- when he said, you're fascinated with sex? I was like, what?
PHILLIP: If I throw enough coins in the well, maybe I'll get lucky one day.
SESAY: Focus, focus!
PHILLIP: This is a criticism that I think is a valid criticism that comes from the Trump campaign, which is the media has tended to focus on negative stories involving the Trump campaign, even Fox News. I mean, Megyn Kelly is the second most popular host on the Fox News Channel. And you watch that program, and it's negative story after negative story after negative story. Now, yes, they do report on the e-mails, they do report on WikiLeaks, they do report on other problems that Hillary Clinton's had, but when you look at the proportionality of negative stories about Trump compared to negative stories about Hillary, it's really lopsided. So, I think what you saw tonight on Fox News was that frustration play out.
SESAY: Yeah. Frustration playing out, but the fact of the matter is Megyn Kelly makes this point. It is an issue that women are talking about. It is an issue that women care about. So, his response there does go some way towards disparaging that, doesn't it, Wendy?
GREUEL: Absolutely. I mean - and his body language and his pointing, and talking about a woman in a way that he was. And I think he's kind of become a little unhinged like Donald Trump has on this issue, and being challenged.
VAUSE: It's been a long campaign.
GREUEL: It's been a long campaign, but - and I think if you look at the last, you know, year and a half, Hillary Clinton has been as attacked by the media as Donald Trump has. But right now, Donald Trump has given amazing amount of fodder for people to criticize him, and particularly with women, and the things that he said, you know, when he talked about nasty women. I mean, that has become the rallying cry now of women across this country. That how Donald Trump is treating women. And I think you saw tonight Newt Gingrich doing the same thing.
PHILLIP: Well, Hillary has dished it out, too. Let's not forget about the "basket of deplorables" with the half apology afterwards, and then the campaign trying to walk it back. She's thrown just as many elbows.
VAUSE: I'd go - I'd dispute on just as many, but OK for -
SESAY: And in the defense of it, we haven't had those kind of moments that we saw with Newt Gingrich and Megyn Kelly.
PHILLIP: Well, we've just seen them, but just play out via e-mail, I guess.
(CROSSTALK)
[01:24:48] VAUSE: OK. There is this story which went a couple of hours ago in The Washington Post, that Donald Trump has stopped big fundraising events for the Republican Party. This is a candidate, John, who's on track to lose the election. This is a party which is on track, at least at this point, to possibly lose control of the senate. The democrats look like they may take over the senate as well. This move by Donald Trump, to me, it's just weird. On the democrat side, you've had Tim Kaine, Clinton's running mate, he hit five fundraisers today. It's like Donald Trump is just turning up for the rallies and the applause. I mean, what's the point at the end of - at the end of the day here?
PHILLIPS: Well, on the poll numbers, yes, he is behind, and yes -
VAUSE: I mean, to the fundraising, though, because they've just given up on the fundraising. This is two weeks before -
PHILLIPS: Well, it's a non-traditional campaign. I mean, it's a guy - he didn't raise a lot of money in the primary and he did just fine in the primary. So, my guess is when your back is against the wall, you do what has historically worked for you in the past. Now, on the numbers, the NBC Poll has him down 5 points, which is I guess he's down 10 points or down two touchdowns in the fourth quarter. It's a long shot, OK. I'm willing to acknowledge that.
VAUSE: OK. Good.
PHILLIPS: However, it is different than the 2012 campaign, and even the 2008 campaign in the sense that he's doing much worse than Romney and McCain in traditional red states in places like Utah and Texas and other southern states, but he's doing better than those candidates in states that they lost. He's doing better than Romney, for example, in Iowa, where he's been leading in recent polls, in Ohio. So, there is an opportunity, it's a small one. There is an opportunity for him to turn things around if he could just move the needle in those swing states, where republicans have traditionally lost.
SESAY: Wendy, do you see it? I mean, you - when you look at the map?
GREUEL: No. I mean, I think, again, that Clinton has made so many strides in states that people never expected her to win. And I think when you go back to the fundraising question, Donald Trump has never thought of anyone else other than Donald Trump. And he hasn't been part of the Republican Party over the years. And so, he's not wanting to help anyone else. And I think on the flipside, they haven't wanted to help him either, because he has been this lone ranger, and it shows both in fundraising and the kind of support he's been getting in the Republican Party.
VAUSE: You know, back in 1804, vice president Aaron Burr actually shot and killed Secretary of State Hamilton. And now, we may have a case of vice presidential violence again. I give you Joe Biden versus Donald Trump.
GREUEL: OK. Pardon -
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) JOE BIDEN: The press always asks me don't I wish I were debating him?
No, I wish we're in high school, I could take him behind the gym. That's what I wish.
TRUMP: Did you see where Biden wants to take me to the back of the barn. Me? He wants to - I'd love that. I'd love that. Mr. Tough Guy. You know, he's Mr. Tough Guy. You know when he's Mr. Tough Guy? When he's standing behind a microphone by himself.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SESAY: Really?
VAUSE: Like that guy is standing behind a microphone by himself.
SESAY: Exactly. The two - the two old geezers (INAUDIBLE) trying to duke it out. I mean, what has this election come to?
PHILLIP: Well - and to think that if I wanted to see two 70-year-olds going at it, I thought I was going to have to wait for a real housewives reunion 10 years from now.
SESAY: What does this say about - what does this say - look at what you've done.
GREUEL: One is, if I was a betting woman, I could - I'd bet Biden could, you know, win that fight, but two, I think, you know, it shows, we need more women in office, because we'd never have that conversation, and hopefully we'll have that first woman president in two weeks.
PHILLIPS: I don't know about that. It was Cynthia McKinney that punched the police officer.
VAUSE: Oh, snap! OK.
SESAY: You always got to have the last word.
VAUSE: We'll leave it at that.
SESAY: Thank you so much, guys. Thank you.
VAUSE: OK, guys. Thank you.
PHILLIP: Thank you.
VAUSE: OK. A short break, when we come back, Apple is again making history, but probably history it does not want. Sales are down for the first time since it launched the iPhone. We'll tell you why in a moment.
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[01:32:14] VAUSE: Welcome back, everybody. You're watching CNN NEWSROOM live from Los Angeles. I'm John Vause. SESAY: And I'm Isha Sesay. The headlines this hours. As Iraqi-led
forces close in on the city of Mosul, the U.S. says there are reports of ISIS massacres of scores of civilians. Separately, the U.S. Defense Secretary says plans to attack the militants' stronghold in Syria are moving forward. Ash Carter says the battles for Mosul and Raqqah will overlap.
VAUSE: France is tearing down the vast migrant camp in Calais known as the jungle. Workers are leveling tents and shanties where thousands of refugees lived for years, hoping to reach the United Kingdom. More than 4,000 people have been sent to shelters since Monday.
SESAY: French investigators are searching for Jacqueline Veyrac, the owner of a luxury hotel in Cannes. Officials say she was kidnapped outside a pharmacy in Nice on Monday. Witnesses say masked men gagged her with a cloth and forced her into a white van.
VAUSE: Apple sales have fallen for the first time in 15 years, and stock in the tech giant is down about 2.8 percent.
SESAY: The company announced on Tuesday it made $216 billion this fiscal year compared to $234 billion last year. Apple blames falling demand for iPhones. Well, selling 45 million iPhones in the fourth quarter compared to 48 billion (sic) in the same quarter last year.
VAUSE: Well, joining us now for more on this from Singapore is Brian Maher. He's the Vice President of Devices Research for International Data Corporation. Brian, thank you for being with us. How much did this fallen revenue for Apple have to do with people just sort of holding off and waiting for the new iPhone 7 to come out?
BRIAN MA, VICE PRESIDENT OF DEVICES RESEARCH, INTERNATIONAL DATA CORPORATION: It's very much a huge part of it, in fact. In fact, that 45 million unit number actually came in exactly what we were expecting as well, too, because precisely, we knew that this was the tail end of the 6s model series, right. As you pointed out, this is just before they launched the iPhone 7. Actually, I think they got about a week's worth of sales in there for this quarter. So for the most part, this is the tail end of last year's product, and accordingly so. It was very much people waiting off until the new product launched.
VAUSE: But if you look closely at these numbers, we're looking at a 30 percent fall in China. Is that a sign that China has well and truly fallen out of love with Apple products?
MA: Yes, that's the ever pressing question here. Short answer is no, even though it's not reflected in the financials. So let me elaborate a bit here. Certainly when we look at Apple, situation has changed quite a bit. There is a lot of competition from the local vendors. You've got -- arguably, you're starting to reach some points of saturation in China as well, too. Even for the whole China market smartphone forecast, we're only looking at about two or three percent growth this year. So it is a relatively tame market. [01:34:57] And, we do also have to keep in mind that the 6s is,
again, that aging product. It didn't look that different from the 6. And even as we go into the 7, it arguably isn't that much of a change. Now, the reason however why I'm more optimistic on China in the longer term is, the 7, yes, it's going to be better than the 6s, but it won't do as well as the 6 did. That was really the peak of Apple's performance there.
Now what happens when iPhone 8 comes out? The 10-year anniversary of the iPhone. If you assume that Apple really is saving all of its best up for this next product that comes out next year, and they really hit it out of the park, make it so different, nice screen, whatever else that they're doing with that, they make it so dramatically different such that, regardless if it's in China or the rest of the world, they hit it out of the park with that, then they're in a good position, and that's why coming back to your original question, when it comes to China, it is something that for now is going to be a bit muted. But we think it will pick back up in the future. If anything, don't forget, Apple is a huge status symbol and brand name. It's a fashion statement there in many ways. And it's just a brand that other vendors are jealous of, to be honest.
VAUSE: And if Apple is to be believed, this is just a blip. They're expecting this quarter revenue of around $78 billion. That's what forecast, compared to last year revenue of around $76 billion. So what's the reasoning here behind Apple being optimistic?
MA: Yes, so they are seeing supply constraints as they pointed out in their earnings now. So they're seeing supply constraints for iPhone 7. Basically, demand is outstripping supply. So there is a case where, again, regardless if it's in China or any other parts of the world, people want the iPhone 7. They did a really good job with the iPhone 7. Plus the fact that their competitor, Samsung, ran into all those problems probably doesn't -- it works out well for them in that sense as well, too. But they are seeing demand for the iPhone 7. If it's outstripping supply like they said (ph), great. But again, keep in mind that this probably still don't won't bring them back to that peak level that they were at when they first rolled out the iPhone 6. And that's why point here is, watch out for iPhone 8 in the upcoming year, and then I think we're really going to see them really get in on their feet.
VAUSE: Hey, Brian, when these results came out, my phone was on fire. But that's because it's a Samsung Galaxy Note 7. How much are the problems over at Samsung helping out Apple right now, and how much are they continuing to help out Apple?
MA: Sure. Well, indirectly, or at least in theory, I should say, it should be helping out Apple. You've got users who, like you said, they've got this phone they can't use anymore. They're going to go to an alternative. What is the big alternative flagship phone, high end phone that's out there? It's the iPhone 7. It's not to say it's the only one, and it doesn't mean that Apple is the only beneficiary here. There are users that will stay loyal to Samsung and just get a Galaxy S7 rather than the Note 7. There are those that will go to other android devices, including Google's own products as well, too. So it's not to say that it's all completely benefitting Apple. And I think Tim Cook was even asked this question on the earnings call. He didn't directly address Samsung by name, but he did say that they continue to benefit from android switchers, if you will, those that go from android over to iOS ecosystem.
VAUSE: It's a good feature to have a phone that doesn't blow up on you. Brian, nice to speak with you. Thanks for being with us.
MA: Sure.
VAUSE: OK. I've been waiting to do that for a while.
SESAY: I know you have. I could feel the glee. We're going to take a quick break. We're getting new insight into the mind of Donald Trump.
Coming up, the newly released tapes that show he really enjoys a fight.
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[01:40:45] SESAY: Welcome back, everyone. Well, hours of recordings from an interview two years ago reveal a combative Donald Trump who fears public embarrassment. A Trump biographer gave the tape and transcripts to "The New York Times".
VAUSE: The interview was done before the billionaire announced his presidential bid. The tapes reveal what Donald Trump strives for. He wants to win, and why failure is not an option. Here is Kyung Lah.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: You vote for her, you're crazy, OK. She is the worst.
KYUNG LAH, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voiceover): It's a Donald Trump we don't often see. Not campaigning, but instead, contemplative, like when he talks about how he won't accept losing.
DONALD TRUMP, CHAIRMAN AND PRESIDENT, TRUMP ORGANIZATION: You can be tough and ruthless and all that stuff. And if you lose a lot, nobody is going to follow you. Because you're looked at as a loser. Winning is a very important thing. And the most important aspect of leadership is winning. If you have a record of winning, people are going to follow you.
LAH: As we've seen this election, this is a leader who enjoys a fight.
TRUMP: I'd like to punch him (ph) in the face, I tell you.
LAH: And the tapes reveal that willingness to fight began as a child.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In eighth grade?
TRUMP: I love to fight. I always love to fight. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Physical fights?
TRUMP: All kinds of fights.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Arguments?
TRUMP: All types of fight. Any kind of fight, I loved it. Including physical.
LAH: For Trump, everything is a competition, especially business.
TRUMP: Never had a failure, because I always turned a failure into a success.
LAH: The theme weaves through his interviews, refusal to acknowledge any business failures.
TRUMP: I bought something, I throw it into a bankruptcy. I made an unbelievable deal. Wiped out a lot of the debt. Came back. Next day I read the story, Trump files bankruptcy. I get all these people that don't understand business saying, well, did you go bankrupt? Do you understand that?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You talk about this lot.
TRUMP: I do. I tell you why I do. What always bothers me is false stuff, untruths. That bothers me.
LAH: But what doesn't bother him, fame. Trump admits he needs it.
TRUMP: It's happened from the time I was fairly young. It just happened.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did it unnerve you at first?
TRUMP: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Or make you feel unsafe ever?
TRUMP: No. I think what would unnerve me, if it didn't happen.
LAH: Trump stead he doesn't see much need for reflection, but takes a moment to talk about marriage.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you think about balancing your ambition and your relationships with people you love, what's changed over the years?
TRUMP: Well, it's very hard for somebody to be married to me.
LAH: Trump upended the presidential election, whith much more than fiery rhetoric. The interviews show he did wit a singular unyielding belief in himself.
TRUMP: The most important thing is being able to have the proper vision and then never quitting. You know, a lot of people say, oh, you can never give up. Well, you can give up if you have a stupid vision. So I always say vision is the most important thing. You need the proper vision. And then you have to have the ability to get it done.
LAH: Kyung Lah, CNN, Los Angeles.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
SESAY: Well, "The New York Times" reports that Trump called the tapes pretty old and boring stuff. Joining us now here in Los Angeles, Judy Ho, a clinical and forensic psychologist. Judy, so good to have you with us once again.
JUDY HO, CLINICAL AND FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: Thank you.
SESAY: What's clear from these interviews is that acknowledgment and praise is so important to Donald Trump. What does it say about his self-esteem and how it may have been formed?
HO: Well, his self-esteem was formed on external forces about others' opinions, how they reflect back an him. It wasn't formed from an internal place. And so that's why he seeks all of this acknowledgment. It's almost like, if he doesn't have it on a daily basis, he forgets who he is, and his self-concept is very shaky because it's built on these outside forces.
VAUSE: That's why he loves a big crowd. It's often been said that Trump made up his mind to run for president after he was mocked by president Obama at the White House Correspondents Dinner in 2011. Listen to this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[01:44:52] BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Donald Trump is here tonight.
And obviously, we all know about your credentials and breadth of experience. For example -- no, seriously. Just recently, in an episode of "Celebrity Apprentice", you, Mr. Trump, recognized that the real problem was a lack of leadership. And so ultimately you didn't blame Little John or Meatloaf. You fired Gary Busey. And these are the kind of decisions that would keep me up at night.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VAUSE: OK. So how does that all fit in with a man who, according to these tapes, anyway, has a deep fear of public embarrassment?
HO: Well, a lot of it has to do with his insecurity. And I think that he obscures that from most of us. He truly tries to kind of overcome that with more bravado, more confidence, which is of course what some voters really actually like him for, because he seems like he's very confident. But underneath that is a very deep seated insecurity. And so being publicly humiliated, being made fun of, even if it's all in good fun, it's very hard for him to process. This is like his worst nightmare. SESAY: OK. And fit the love of fighting into this picture. Again,
it comes out in the interview that he relishes a fight. We've seen it during this campaign season. How does that fit into his personality type?
HO: Well, it fits in great with his personality type because it's all about winning. It's about proving that you're better than other people. And so instead of knowing that from a more deep internal place, this is somebody who needs to prove that over and over again. The more people he defeats, the more it feeds his self-esteem, feeds his ego, tells him that he's OK, tells him that he's a brilliant, confident, good person. But of course, at some point, all of us have to fall. All of us have some type of failure. And he is just not equipped to really cope with that.
VAUSE: And (inaudible) this is someone who does not admit failure. If we look ahead to November 9, if all the polls are correct and he does in fact lose this election, how will he deal with that? How does he spin that into a win?
HO: Well, exactly, and that's why it's hard, right. He's been asked directly very many times, are you going to accept the election results if you don't win? And he's actually said all kinds of different things like basically saying he probably won't accept or he doesn't know if he's going to accept it.
And so for somebody like this, when he has to kind of come back and spin this into a good story, that's not going to be something that he does overnight. He's going to probably come up with something that explains away, oh, well, this was rigged. Something like that just to kind of keep it together. But if I had to give him advice, I would say, he needs to actually do some work and start to think about his identity separate of achievements, competition, and where does it really come from? Build that on relationships. Build that on who he is outside of his work. But that's going to take a while for him to put that together.
SESAY: Yes. He's only got two weeks if the polls are right.
VAUSE: He should make an appointment maybe tomorrow morning with Judy. We'll give the phone number on our website.
(LAUGHTER)
VAUSE: Judy, thank you.
HO: Thank you guys. Nice to see you.
VAUSE: Donald Trump thanks you as well.
We'll take a short break. When we come back, you may not need medical treatment that your doctor is prescribing. And we'll also tell you about a whole lot of other pointless stuff you don't need to do.
SESAY: Still, stay tuned.
VAUSE: Stay with us.
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PEDRAM JAVAHERI, CNN METEOROLOGIST: To the Americas we go. Meteorologist Pedram Javaheri here for CNN WEATHER WATCH. Notice this big area of high pressure across the western portion of the United States. (technical difficulties) parts of the Southwest, high pressure trying to reestablish itself after a couple of days of soggy weather, while across the Midwestern U.S., we're getting some wintry weather across the northern portion of the State of Michigan.
But work your way down into Cleveland, Ohio. Game two of the World Series is in effect there on Wednesday evening. 7:08 Eastern time is when the game is expected to begin. But notice the temperature is 8 degrees. The game actually moved back a couple of hours earlier than it was originally scheduled to be played because rain showers expected to move across Cleveland later on in the evening. So a little fascinating setup there with wet weather expected to move and so the game has been altered just a little bit.
And you notice the conditions across the western United States. Rather nice, from San Francisco to Los Angeles, 21 degree afternoon setup for you, while in Vancouver, B.C., some rain coming in. Here is the disturbance responsible for that. Multiple areas of active weather beginning to roll in across western United States and southern Canada here. Should really keep it active with high elevations. Snow very blustery weather as well for Seattle, Portland, and in particular northern California could get really the highest end of the rainfall associated with that setup.
[01:50:10] And the Caribbean. This is what it look likes. Scattered showers across this region.
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VAUSE: The Cleveland Indians are celebrating a big win in game one of baseball's World Series. Cleveland's pitchers were dominant, striking out 15 batters to beat the Chicago Cubs, 6-0.
SESAY: Indians catcher Roberto Perez hit two home runs to lead the team to victory. Game two is Wednesday night in Cleveland.
VAUSE: Big night in Cleveland right next door to the World Series game. The Cleveland Cavaliers were celebrating their NBA title.
SESAY: Lebron James and the Cavs got their championship rings and raised their first ever championship banner. King James and company are well on their way to a possible repeat with an opening night thrashing of the New York Knicks.
VAUSE: Doctors in the U.K. have found that 40 common treatments bring little or no benefit to patients. The Academy of Medical Royal Colleges say pointless procedures include x-rays for lower back pain.
SESAY: It also says children with wrist fractures don't need plaster casts. And chemotherapy cannot cure terminal cancer patients and it brings distress and is painful.
VAUSE: So that list prompted "The Guardian" newspaper to come up with a list of 40 pointless activities that we all do. It says, you don't need to eat five portions of fruit and vegetables each day because scientists can't agree on the best number.
SESAY: It also says you don't need to drink eight glasses of water a day. Oh, and forget about flossing. Studies on the procedure are considered low quality. For more on all of this, we're joined now by Sandro Monetti, Managing Editor of "Entity" magazine and a half Brit who I know has a special affinity for flossing.
SANDRO MONETTI, MANAGING EDITOR, ENTITY MAGAZINE: Well absolutely. Flossing is pointless. I've always said so. And you can always rely on a Brit to lecture you about teeth. I think it was the great Austin Powers who said, yeah, baby, British teeth are unique. And yes, the scientific adviser to the British Dental Association has said, yes, no less, that flossing is completely pointless. So next time I go to my overpriced American dentist -- by the way, for a Brit, these teeth are pretty good.
SESAY: That's actually (ph) pretty good.
VAUSE: Let's talk about the hair.
MONETTI: I have a British barber.
VAUSE: There was a lot on this list which I kind of agreed with. Playing the lottery, pressing the close button on the elevator. Completely pointless.
SESAY: I do that all time.
VAUSE: And one that wasn't on there was repeatedly pressing the walk button at the traffic crossing. Because that is something which just has zero impact but everybody does it.
MONETTI: It's just there for show or for effect.
VAUSE: Apparently.
MONETTI: I'm one of those people that keeps pressing it. It doesn't make any difference.
SESAY: Exactly. It's more about an exercise in control. You want to feel like you have some control of the situation. That's why people do it.
MONETTI: It's why lists like this are so good. It shows that we really have no control over anything. Whether it's stop signs in the streets or whether it's our medical choices.
SESAY: Can we talk about napping? Napping is on this list. They say it is pointless.
MONETTI: Yes. SESAY: They say it doesn't provide you -- it has a detrimental effect
to your health.
MONETTI: Well, according to a doctor at the university of Tokyo, if you nap for more than two hours a day, you've got 45 percent chance of getting diabetes. So there you go. Who is going to argue with that?
VAUSE: Can't wash your jeans anymore, there is no point. Something which I thought was interesting wasn't on the list, but this was sent to me by a friend of mine on social media. It's a meme. This is Gary. He's the first ever to change his mind after reading your political post. Gary is a unicorn. He doesn't exist. You're an idiot. There is Gary.
VAUSE: And this is the thing. People continually post on social media, on Facebook, their political opinions. And in this election season, people are losing friends because they think that somehow they're going to change someone's opinion. And that is pointless.
MONETTI: They are. There has been a record amount of un-friending. And you think the nation is divided -- the world is divided, and certainly the world of social media is totally divided. I learned a long time ago, never express any political opinions on social media.
[01:55:10] SESAY: One thing we are all --
MONETTI: I saved that for CNN.
SESAY: And we appreciate it. One thing we are all united on is emojis. It's the fastest growing language in history.
MONETTI: It is. And we're soon to be getting musical emojis. I just heard of that invention is coming in a couple of weeks.
SESAY: How is that going to work?
MONETTI: Well, instead of putting a sad face, you can play ten seconds of sad music.
VAUSE: You want to talk about a total waste of time, I think this is a total waste of time. Watch.
SESAY: John's on a soapbox, everybody.
VAUSE: There we go. Watching cat videos online. Now the point I'm getting to here is that there's 86,000 -- stop watching. There's 86,400 seconds every day. And when they're gone, they're gone for good. And you guys are wasting your time watching stupid cat videos online.
SESAY: How many views, did you say?
VAUSE: Oh, there's like millions.
MONETTI: You know, I missed "The Walking Dead" premier last night because I was too busy watching cat videos on YouTube. I don't know. Apparently, a couple of people died. So I don't know what happened.
VAUSE: You proved my point.
SESAY: Apparently, it's going down the tubes is what I heard.
MONETTI: Oh, really?
SESAY: Yes. The show.
MONETTI: You could have fooled me.
SESAY: Thank you. All right. You're watching CNN NEWSROOM live from Los Angeles. I'm Isha Sesay.
VAUSE: I'm John Vause. We'll be back with another hour of news and cat videos -- maybe not -- right after this.
SESAY: I like the cat videos.
