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Inside American Air Base in the Battle for Mosul; Trump Gets New Ammunition Against Clinton; Four Killed at Australian Theme Park; Russia's Online War; Cost of a Third Runway for Heathrow Airport; Newly Released Audio on Trump's Love to Win. Aired 2-3a ET

Aired October 26, 2016 - 02:00   ET

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[02:00:24] ISHA SESAY, CNN ANCHOR: This is CNN NEWSROOM live from Los Angeles.

JOHN VAUSE, CNN ANCHOR: Ahead this hour, the battle for Mosul, we'll take you inside an American air base which is bringing precision firepower to the fight against ISIS.

SESAY: Less than two weeks until the U.S. presidential election. Donald Trump gets new ammunition against Hillary Clinton.

VAUSE: And Russia's online war former internet for also as for the Kremlin funded propaganda machine looks like.

SESAY: Hello and welcome to our viewers around the world. I'm Isha Sesay.

VAUSE: Great to have you with us, I'm John Vause. We're into the third hour of NEWSROOM L.A.

SESAY: Well, even as the Iraqi-led battle for Mosul advances ahead of schedule, western defense ministers are moving forward with plans to fight ISIS on another front. At a meeting in Paris they discussed taking the terror group's stronghold in Syria. The U.S. Defense Secretary says the battle to Mosul and Raqqa will overlap.

VAUSE: And there is the word now of clashes inside Mosul between ISIS and resistance fighters. Michael Holmes is near the Mosul front line. So he joins us now live.

So Michael, what's the update there this morning as the offensive continues as these forces move towards Mosul. Exactly what are they facing as they try to move closer to the city?

MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, we're near the town of Bashiqa strategically important town that's on a main supply route for ISIS into Mosul. A couple of days ago, Kurdish Peshmerga forces surrounded the town and in fact more than that the surrounding villages about half-a-dozen or so of those. Actually, just literally had word from the front down in the town and they're telling us that they have now cleared most of those villages.

There has been fighting this morning. We've heard it from here. There was pre-dawn aerial bombardment, 500 pound bombs being dropped and we've also heard some outgoing artillery from around our position here and small arms fire.

Eight ISIS fighters killed this morning in one of those villages. We just literally heard that from somebody at the front line down there on the -- in the fighting force. So when they get Bashiqa here, the town itself. The resistance they're finding, it has been so far. It has been -- it's as being fierce at times but it hasn't been constant.

The one thing that pushed Peshmerga forces from the outskirts of Bashiqa was a suicide vehicle bombs and also sniper position. So that's probably what those large aerial bombardments were about earlier today, softening it up. So the advances being made.

Elsewhere on the battlefront, Kurdish forces at the closest point about eight kilometers from the outskirts of Mosul. That it is not a uniform circle around that city. To the west, ISIS fighters and leaders even have been escaping Mosul (inaudible) across ISIS held territory and into Syria. And so there is attempts to move up Shia paramilitaries to cut the escape route off, also moves slowly being made up from the south and southeast. The encircling of Mosul has to be key. Everyone has to be in place before there is a move in, John.

VAUSE: And Michael, the Iraqi Prime Minister said on Tuesday, this military offensive, one aspect of it is to unit the country, this is what he said.

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HAIDER AL-ABADI, IRAQI PRIME MINISTER: (Through Translator) ISIS has inflicted on us huge losses but at the same time it taught us to stand together for our nation by defending our unity and not allow it to come between us. Thus, we have come a long way to overcome our political and sectarian differences, making great strides in this area. So let's stay what from selecting people based on their name or affiliations, while we can have differences and disagreements but this should not come at the expense of serving our people, we are here to serve the people of Iraq.

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VAUSE: Michael, you spent a lot of time with the Iraqi Kurds, the Peshmerga fighters, is that how they see this that this battle is all about unifying Iraq?

HOLMES: Well, I mean as you know, John, in this part of the world often you'll have disparate groups with competing agendas who will come together to fight a common enemy and certainly that is the case here with ISIS being the common enemy. The fear all along has been that once that fight is over, those who have been taking part in the battle, you know what it's like. You've got those Shia paramilitaries involved, that is being criticism of them, the Iranian-backed. [02:05:06] You've got the Kurds. The Kurds aren't all on the same page. Different Kurdish group involved in this overall fight against ISIS. You've got the Sunni tribe, some of them don't disagree -- don't agree. And then a lot of those up in this northern part of the country don't agree with the central government. So well, it's nice to say this could be a unifying moment for Iraq.

A lot of people are wondering what will happen the day after Mosul is taken, or the weeks, the months after whether some of the groups who have come together and have competing agendas will continue to pursue those and whether other squabbles will break out. The Kurds as we know have their own desires for independence or the very least autonomy in this part of the country. So it's a lovely notion whether it pans out that way, certainly remain to be seen, John.

VAUSE: Yeah. There is nothing like the unity of battle which then often give way to the division of peace. Michael, thank you very much. It's Michael Holmes live this hour not far from Mosul.

SESAY: Well, the U.N. says 1.5 million people are still in Mosul and the risk to them is clear. Eight agencies say about 9,000 people have fled their home so far. Iraqi police released video of dozens of families leaving villages south of the city. The U.N. has received preliminary reports of ISIS atrocities against civilians in the area in the past week.

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RUPERT COLVILLE, U.N. OFFICE OF HIGH COMMISSIONER FOR HUMAN RIGHTS: For example, one village called Safina, we heard about 15 civilians reportedly killed and their bodies thrown in the river. And in the same village, around the same time, six other people, apparently six other men were tied to a vehicle by their hands and dragged around the village. We don't know what happened to those six afterwards.

And bigger events, 70 civilian bodies found allegedly by the Iraqi forces, government forces, and they captured one village. Seventy civilians shot dead. And reportedly on Sunday, most recently, 50 former Iraqi police officers killed.

And I think perhaps to me in a way the saddest story was -- as they were herding the villagers out of the village called Rufeila, they shot dead three women and three young girls who were sort of lingering behind, about 100 meters behind the main group of villagers. And the reason apparently for that was simply because one of those girls was a disabled child and she couldn't move that quickly. And they just shot the women and children and wounded four other children. They're really ruthless, the kind of behavior we've become used to from ISIL.

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VAUSE: ISIS had two years to get ready for this fight. They've been planting booby traps as well as setting fires hoping the smoke will hide them from coalition aircraft.

SESAY: But it's no match for the rocket technology the U.S. led coalition brings to this battle. Arwa Damon reports.

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ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: This is Qayyarah West (ph), America's largest forward position in Iraq at the forefront of the battle for Mosul. From the moment you get a call you can be mobile in this and out firing onto an enemy position within two minutes?

LIEUTENANT KEEGAN ALDRIDGE, U.S. ARMY: Correct.

DAMON: Lieutenant Keegan Aldridge shows us the latest generation of precision artillery.

ALDRIDGE: So we are the furthest reaching artillery system on the battlefield, highly accurate and highly precise it's because our system minimizes the collateral damage. Obviously, because there's a lot of urban targets that we are prosecuting.

DAMON: This sprawling facility was a base during the U.S. led occupation of Iraq. Some of the blast walls are from those days. When ISIS was finally driven out in august, they destroyed the runway, mounts of earth hid bombs and buildings were booby trapped. Now, the runway is clear and hundreds of troops are based here. Some sleep in tents, others in bunkers.

And I see everyone has their gas mask?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. In with these in the past couple of days.

DAMON: That's because obnoxious smoke from a fire set by ISIS at a nearby sulfur plant which cast a dense fog (ph) over a huge area. Inside the joint operation center, commanders closely watch drone feed that we cannot set ...

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Somewhat we can create ...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We can see it now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's like two (inaudible).

DAMON: Right now, a group of ISIS fighters is the target. Cheers erupt as they are hit.

MAJOR CHRISTOPHER PARKER, COALITION SPOKESMAN: The fire support that we've been providing for this operation has been unprecedented. Since the Mosul liberation kicked off, we dropped over 1700 ammunitions.

DAMON: But if all goes according to plan the operation will have to change.

PARKER: The civilian population does complicate the situation, and avoiding civilian casualties is a very high priority for the coalition, obviously. So it will change the way that we look at our targeting.

[02:10:04] DAMON: ISIS has long shown that it's a determined, cunning enemy. And the enemy always have it though?

PARKER: I believe in what I've seen from our Iraqi and Peshmerga forces. The cooperation and the level support the coalition is providing I believe that our vote outweigh theirs.

DAMON: But what is a win in a country that has already lost so much? Arwa Damon, CNN, Qayyarah air base, Iraq.

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SESAY: Well, Donald Trump is making a bleak prediction if Clinton wins the White House. He says, her aggressive approach to Syria will lead to all out war between the U.S. and Russia.

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DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: What we can do is focus on ISIS. We should not be focusing on Syria. Well, and you -- and then you'll end up with her plan, you'll end up in World War Three with Syria.

You're going to end up -- Steve, you're going to end up in World War Three over Syria if we listen to Hillary Clinton. She's Incompetent.

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VAUSE: Earlier in the day, Trump hits a game on ObamaCare which he is about to reveal and replace new government figures. So premiums will rise on average, 22 percent next year.

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TRUMP: Now, they said 25 percent forget 20, you'll take 25 percent. It's going to be 60 percent, 70 percent, 80 percent, 90 percent. In the great state of Arizona, it's over 100 percent. It is crazy. One in five Americans trapped on ObamaCare will only have a single insurer to negotiate within your state. Congratulations, lots of fun. You're going to have to brush up on your negotiation ability, believe me.

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VAUSE: Well, the Obama administration says the rising costs will be largely offset by government subsidies, but the price hikes could be a real gift for the Trump campaign.

SESAY: And CNN's Jeff Zeleny is traveling with the Clinton campaign.

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JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Hillary Clinton in Florida tonight, opening a two-week fight to the finish.

HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I feel good, but boy, I'm not taking anything for granted. I'm going to work as hard as I can between now and the close of the election.

ZELENY: She's firing up Democrats in the biggest of all battlegrounds. Twenty-nine electoral votes she believes will block Donald Trump's path.

H. CLINTON: Americans are coming together, at the very moment when Donald Trump is making an unprecedented attack on our Democracy. He gathers ...

ZELENY: On a two-day Florida swing, Clinton is hitting Democratic strongholds to bank votes through early voting. One way to minimize any pre-election pitfalls like rising health care costs under the affordable Care Act. Her long embrace of ObamaCare.

H. CLINTON: Before there something called ObamaCare there was something called Hillary care.

ZELENY: Suddenly, it could be an 11th hour liability. As Republicans pounce today, she was silent about it at her rally. IN a Miami radio interview, Clinton said millions of Americans now have health care under the law but acknowledged major shortcomings.

H. CLINTON: The costs have gone up too much. So we're going to really tackle that.

ZELENY: But Former President Bill Clinton under fire earlier this month for pointing out flaws in the system.

BILL CLINTON, FORMER U.S. PRESIDENT: It's the craziest thing in the world.

ZELENY: Now telling voters in North Carolina, health care should be fixed, not repealed.

B. CLINTON: Yeah, there is something wrong, but you don't want to choose somebody who is the living embodiment of what's wrong.

ZELENY: With 14 days to go, Clinton is in command of the race but bracing from another wave of controversy. A new batch of Campaign Chairman John Podesta's hacked e-mails shows even he was flabbergasted about the decision back in 2009 to setup a private e-mail server for Clinton at the State Department.

When "The New York Times" first revealed the private serve in March 2015, Clinton friend, Neera Tanden expressing outrage at Cheryl Mills. Clinton's chief of staff as secretary of state who helped sign off on the e-mail arrangement. Tanden wrote Podesta, why didn't they get this stuff out like 18 months ago, so crazy. Unbelievable, Podesta replied. They wanted to get away with it, Tanden shout back.

Now, Clinton won a support today from Former Secretary of State Colin Powell, a long-time Republican who says he is voting for her in November. Of course he did support President Obama in 2008 and 2012 as well. He said, he simply does not recognize the Republican Party. But Hillary Clinton is counting on Democrats to put her over the top that's why she's here in South Florida, a key Democratic bastion. She's also attending her last fundraiser of the campaign, by her account, she's had 371.

Jeff Zeleny, CNN, Coconut Creek, Florida.

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VAUSE: A new CNN ORC poll shows most Americans believe Hillary Clinton is headed for victory. 68 percent of those surveys believe Clinton will win. 27 percent say they think Trump will win, and that obviously includes Donald Trump.

SESAY: But only 35 percent say Trump will accept the results and concede if he loses. 61 percent say he will not.

[02:15:03] VAUSE: OK. A short break. When we come back, newly released recordings revealed Trump's obsession with winning. Well, the Republican says about his love of fighting, hatred of losing and refusal to accept failure.

SESAY: But first, the Philippine President re ignites his war of words with the U.S. on his visit to Japan. The old grudges he is bringing up. We'll bring all of them to you next.

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VAUSE: Welcome back, everybody. France is tearing down a sprawling camp which became the symbol of Europe's migrant crisis. Crews are destroying tents and shelters in the jungle where thousands of refugees have been living in limbo. They are going to settle in the United Kingdom.

SESAY: More than 4,000 migrants have been sent to temporary shelters since Monday. The government hopes to get everyone out within a week, but the city's mayor is skeptical.

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NATACHA BOUCHART, CALAIS MAYOR: (Through Translator) I can't see what solution they can find next week when for the last three weeks we've been trying to apply one. Migrants are arriving and they're still arriving today. We still have them arriving in Calais today. So I think to say that there will no longer be a camp for migrants in Calais is a lie.

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VAUSE: Investigators in Australia still don't know what caused the deadly accident at a major theme part outside Brisbane.

[02:20:06] Four adults were killed when Dreamworld Thunder River Rapids malfunctioned. Two children survived. Elizabeth Tilley from our CNN, and Tilley at Sky News Australia joins us now live from Dreamworld. So Elizabeth, what is the focus of the investigation right now and what more is known about these reports and concerns have been raised about the safety of rides at amusement parks?

ELIZABETH TILLEY, BRISBANE BUREAU CHIEF, SKY NEWS: Well, John, you're right. That is certainly one of the major questions being asked right now and there are more questions than answers as this investigation does continue. The focus today has really been on that ride, in particular, the thunder river rapids ride. They're looking at exactly what went wrong and what caused it to malfunction, yesterday afternoon, as you said killing four people.

Now two of those people were siblings and the a third was the partner of one of those siblings. A fourth woman has been identified this afternoon as a 42-year-old, her family releasing a statement saying just how absolutely devastated they are. And here at Dreamworld, it is one of Australia's most popular tourist destinations.

The theme park is along the golf course here in Queensland are extremely popular. Some 1.8 million people come to visit them every year. And hundreds of people have been steadily flocking here this afternoon to lay all their tributes to the entrance to the theme park, even though it remains closed showing just how deeply people have been touched by this unthinkable tragedy.

The police are appealing to the public for information to help them piece together what happened yesterday. They're asking witnesses to come forward, anyone who may have seen or heard what happened at this stage as you say they really don't know what the cause of this malfunction was. And how six people on this raft were all thrown out of it after it collided and four of those people were killed, but miraculously, two of them children, a 10-year-old boy and a 12-year- old girl managed to survive. Police say that in itself is a miracle.

They are reviewing CCTV footage and talking to witnesses to try and find out what happened. But you mentioned those safety concerns and they really are key here. Because the union that represents the staff here at Dreamworld has come out and revealed that he actually raised concerns about the safety and operation of equipment at this theme park some 18 months ago and that there have been ongoing discussions about concerns with the parent company. Since then, but the parent company are (inaudible) here in Australia haven't been cooperative. So we're yet to hear any responses from them. Hopefully we will get some answers as this investigation progresses.

VAUSE: Yeah, it is shocking of course. Deeply concerning for so many people. Elizabeth, thank you. Elizabeth Tilley, live this hour outside the Dreamwork amusement park.

SESAY: Now, Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte will meet with Japan's Prime Minister in the coming hours. And Mr. Duterte is rehashing some bad blood with the U.S. during his visit to Tokyo.

CNN's Will Ripley joins us now. Well, even before President Duterte got on the four-hour flight to Tokyo, he had stepped up his rough words with the U.S., calling Americans foolish and a land full of pure bigotry and discrimination. Talk to us about what's happening now and he's landed in Tokyo and how much of this war of words with the U.S. is overshadowing his visit to Japan?

WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, certainly we believe that members of his inner circle had been advising President Duterte to avoid this really hostile anti-U.S. rhetoric. It's very clear and people close to him confirm that he has had a deep grudge against the United States for some time.

There was an incident where he was denied of visa. He's very sensitive to criticism over his human rights record pertaining to his war on drugs in Davao City when he was mayor. And now nation wide to the Philippines where just in four months, several thousand people have died in the so-called extra judicial killings. These are suspect death without trial. Either shot by police or other drug suspects.

Here in Japan, so far at least, Duterte has toned down this rhetoric, probably at the advice of people, including his chief economist who I interviewed yesterday just after hours the delegation arrived here. He tried to clarify what Duterte is trying to accomplish when he talks about distance and separation from the United States.

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ERNESTO PERMA, NATIONAL ECONOMIC AND DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY: It's all rhetoric, really. In the reality, what we are really going to do is just to rebalance, rebalance the economy from too much dependence on the U.S.

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RIPLEY: In a speech within the last few hours here in Tokyo, President Duterte did however talk about that economic rebalancing. Also, moving towards the eventual removal of U.S. military and all foreign troops in the Philippines which would basically undo longstanding agreement with the United States.

[02:25:09] Just over and hours from now, he will meet with the Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. Of course, Abe is a close ally of President Obama. The two are expected to have a bilateral meeting and then issue a joint press statement. We are not sure and perhaps it's probably unlikely that there will be a press conference, simply because it is in those question and answer periods where often what Duterte says is quite unpredictable. And Abe's people wouldn't want the optics of having him stand by side with somebody who could start granting about the United States in a derogatory and coarse way.

SESAY: All right. Will Ripley, joining us there from Tokyo, Japan. We appreciate it. Thank you very, very much.

Well, the state of the race with Kate Bolduan is coming up next to our viewers in Asia.

VAUSE: And if we now see -- NEWSROOM L.A. will take a short break. When we come back is the U.S. calls out the Kremlin for state- sponsored hacking. A former internet troll tells CNN how Russia is influencing political opinions online. Plus this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's very, very difficult for many of our older people who live in this community. What on earth is going to happen to them? What is going to happen to them?

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SESAY: People who live near one of the world's busiest airports say a new runway will cost hundreds of them their homes. The controversy, next.

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VAUSE: The Obama administration is confident that Russia's recent e- mail hacking is an attempt to interfere with the upcoming presidential election.

SESAY: Russia is also allegedly using so-called internet trolls to spread false information online. CNN's Matthew Chance track down the former troll to find out more.

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MATTHEW CHANCE, SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It's already and official U.S. allegation of state sponsored Russian hacking. The dumping sense of information to influence the U.S. presidential vote.

TRUMP: Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails.

CHANCE: But there are also concerns that the Kremlin is using the internet to manipulate political opinion. In Russia, according to one former Russian internet troll, even United States too.

LYUDMILA SAVCHUK, FORMER INTERNET TROLL: (Through Translator) The U.S. elections are the key issue for the Kremlin, and of course Russia has invested a lot of effort into them. That's why the troll factories are working, I have no doubt.

CHANCE: It was during the Russian-backed rebellion in Ukraine, the 2014 that evidence first emerged of pro Kremlin troll factories filled with bloggers like that will just have to -- paid to spread false information online about the conflict. They were even caught on camera.

In this office building in St. Petersburg, an army of trolls secretly filmed by a former employee spent 12 hours a day, according to Savchuk, praising the Kremlin and berating its enemies in blogs and on internet chat groups.

SAVCHUK: (Through Translator) It's so sophisticated and adapted for the tastes of internet users that it's almost impossible to recognize that this is paid propaganda to brainwash and to make people believe over lies spread by the Kremlin.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Through Translator) It all sets with what U.S. officials say is a much broader Russian effort to sway the presidential vote. The Russian-state media is overtly-pro Trump in its coverage. Washington says, this mountain evidence that Russia is supplying Wikileaks with hacked e-mails from the Clinton campaign. The Russian President has dismissed such allegations as election hysteria.

H. CLINTON: We have never in the history of our country then in the situation where an adversary, a foreign power is working so hard to influence the outcome of the election.

CHANCE: All to harness the power of the internet not to promote Democracy but to try and under mine it. Matthew Chance, CNN, Moscow.

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SESAY: Well, along this Heathrow Airoirt could get a lot busier. The British government has now push ahead with plans for a third runway which would bring in millions of extra passengers, but not everybody is happy about it.

VAUSE: Heathrow is one of the World's busiest travel hubs. Parliament's final vote is expected in the next year in a-half. The opinions are strong on both sides.

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RICHARD BRANSON, VIRGIN ATLANTIC AIRWAYS FOUNDER: We've been asking for a new runway in Great Britain for 33 years since we started in business. And, in fact, we would love to have two, new runways. One at Heathrow and one at Gatwick. Heathrow is our first choice and you know, Great Britain will definitely benefit from, you know, becoming, you know, hopefully retaining its position as the hub of Europe.

BORIS JOHNSON, U.K. FOREIGN SECRETARY: I do think that our building a third runway slap bang in the middle of the western suburbs, the greatest city on earth is not the right thing to do. No other world city would dream of subjecting so many hundreds of thousands of people to more noise pollution in the way that a third runway would.

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VAUSE: Now, while some businesses say they welcome the expansion. Many of those who live nearby say it would be a disaster.

SESAY: And hundreds of them will lose their homes if the new runway is built. Erin McLaughlin explains.

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ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: For the people of the tiny village of Harmondsworth, the construction of a third Heathrow airport runway means much more than a billion dollar economic booster having to deal with extra air and noise pollution. [02:35:09] For many of the people that live here, it means they'll lose their homes. Up to 800 homes set to be demolished as part of this now government-backed plan across three different villages. And well, for the young people who live here, it's not as much as a problem, they'll simply be compensated and move on. Residents tell us that the elderly would live here simply don't know what to do.

ELLISH STONE, HARMONDSWORTH RESIDENT: It's very, very difficult for many of our older people who live in this community, and particularly neighbors who live along here. You know, in their '80s and '90s, what on earth is going to happen to them? What is going to happen to them? And many of them have years and years and years of history. That you know, their family was born and brought out in this community are going to be destroyed.

ELLA: I'm on my own. I've got no family. I've got no children or no husband or anything. So I'm on my own. The only people I know in the village. So I don't think it's fair for us.

MCLAUGHLIN: And it's the fairness of this proposal that will be scrutinized for the next 18 months. Erin McLaughlin, CNN, Harmondsworth, U.K.

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VAUSE: Well, Venezuela now where a nationwide protest is planned against the president for Wednesday. The country's opposition-led national assembly to mal Nicholas Moduro here next week what members call a political and criminal tiral. The opposition accuses him of moving towards a dictatorship after a referendum to force him from office was suspended.

SESAY: Mr. Moduro was elected after Hugo Chavez died three years ago. The country is in its third year of recession. People are dealing with food and medicine shortages and skyrocketing inflation.

VAUSE: A short break, when we come back, we'll get inside Donald Trump's mind. We'll find found what newly released tapes and how they show a defiant billionaire eager to fight.

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[02:40:21] SESAY: The Vatican has issued new cremation guidelines for Catholics, that requires their ashes to be kept in a sacred place, such as a church cemetery, but they must not be cast out at sea, kept in urns at homes or divided up between family members.

VAUSE: The church says, burial is preferable in lined with the belief that the whole body will be resurrected one day after death. But as permit the cremation since 1963.

SESAY: And hours of recording from an interview three years ago reveal a combative Donald Trump who loves fame but fears public embarrassment. The Trump biographer gave the tapes and transcripts to "The New York Times." VAUSE: It's the last interview of its time before the Republican nominee announced his presidential bid. The audio reveals what Donald Trump does, how he wants to win and why losing is not an option. Here is Kyung Lah.

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TRUMP: You vote for her, you're crazy, OK? She is the worst.

KYUNG LAH, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It's a Donald Trump we don't often see, not campaigning, but instead contemplated. Like with he talks about how he won't accept losing.

TRUMP: That you can be tough and ruthless, and all that stuff and if you lose a lot, nobody is going to follow you, because you're looked at as a loser. Winning is a very important thing and the most important aspect of leadership is winning. If you have a record of winning, people are going to follow you.

LAH: As we've seen this election, this is a leader who enjoys a fight.

TRUMP: I'd like to punch him in the face, I tell you.

LAH: And the tapes reveal that willingness to fight began as a child.

INTERVIEWER: In eighth grade?

TRUMP: I loved to fight. I always loved to fight.

INTERVIEWER 1: Physical fights?

TRUMP: Yeah, all kinds of fights, physical ...

INTERVIEWER 1: Arguments?

TRUMP: All types of fights. Any kind of fight, I loved it, including physical.

LAH: Ex-wife Ivana Trump also sat down for a rare interview. Ivan explained how six months into their relationship, she saw how Trump reacted when she out-skied him.

IVANA TRUMP, FIRST WIFE OF DONALD TRUMP: And then ski instructor I told him, "Don't tell Donald that I can ski, OK? Because his ego, it's so big. He's not going to be able to ski."

I went up. I went two flips up in the air, two flips there in the air in front of him. I disappeared. Donald was so angry. He took off his skis, his ski boots and walked up to the restaurant.

INTERVIEWER: So he left you?

I. TRUMP: Yeah.

INTERVIEWER: Wow. I. TRUMP: He could not take it. He could not take it. He went foot bare up to the restaurant, and said, "I'm not going to do this sh*t for anybody, including Ivana."

INTERVIEWER: Oh, jeez.

I. TRUMP: He could not take it, that I could do something better than him.

LAH: Just for Trump, everything is a competition, especially business.

TRUMP: I never had a failure, because I also turned a failure into a success.

LAH: The theme weaves through his interviews, refusal to acknowledge any business failures.

TRUMP: I bought something, I throw it into a bankruptcy. I made an unbelievable deal. Wiped out a lot of the debt. Came back. The next day I read story, "Trump files bankruptcy." I get all of these people that don't understand business saying "Oh, did you go bankrupt?" Do you understand that? What doesn't ...

MICHAEL D'ANTONIO, "THE TRUTH ABOUT TRUMP" AUTHOR: But you talk about this a lot, right?

TRUMP: I do. I always do because -- I'll tell you why I do. What always bothers me is false stuff. Untruths. That bothers me.

LAH: But what doesn't bother him? Fame. Trump admits he needs it.

TRUMP: It's happened from the time I was very young. It just happened.

D'ANTONIO: Did it unnerve you at first?

TRUMP: No.

D'ANTONIO: Make you feel unsafe ever?

TRUMP: No, I think what would unnerve me if it didn't happen.

LAH: Trump says, he doesn't see much need for reflection, but talks a moment to talk about marriage.

D'ANTONIO: When you think about balancing your ambition and your relationships with people you love, what changed over the years?

TRUMP: Well, it's very hard for somebody to be married to me.

LAH: Ex-wife Ivana in her interview, says what ended theirs after three children with him, Trump's affair with Marla Maples.

I. TRUMP: She's a stupid girl. She doesn't have a brains. I have no idea what Donald was doing with her. But she broke us our marriage because and immediately when I find out, his affair, I file for divorce.

INTERVIEWER: This is it?

IVANA: I was the one, yeah. Because if you cannot trust your spouse, you know, it's over.

[02:45:03] LAH: Trump up-ended the presidential election with much more than fiery rhetoric, the interview show he did it with a singular unyielding belief in himself.

TRUMP: The most important thing is being able to have the proper vision and then never quitting. You know, a lot of people say you can never give up. Well, you can give up if you have a stupid vision. So I always say vision is the most important thing. You need a proper vision and then you have to have the ability to get it done.

LAH: Kyung Lah, CNN, Los Angeles.

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VAUSE: And the man interviewing Trump in those 2014 tapes is Michael D'Antonio. He went on to write the book "The Truth About Trump".

SESAY: D'Antonio sat down with CNN's Anderson Cooper to talk about his impressions of Trump.

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D'ANTONIO: He said to me, I don't like to analyze myself or think about the past because I'm afraid of what I'll see. So, you know, unlike most of us who look to learn from our mistakes and may reflect on well, what went into making me this kind of person? Donald is straight ahead and he's very future oriented. You know, he ended our time together prematurely. We were supposed to meet six times and instead we only met four for formal interviews, and it was just at the moment when I felt like he was opening up, when he was starting to tell the truth. And I -- at the end of our last interview, I said, you know, I kind of like you today. And he went back a little bit then smiled. And I almost felt like this is the thing that people see in Donald Trump that they like, but he doesn't let it show very often.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: He does have a charm, I mean in a one-on- one setting. And I think when -- I got a glimpse of that even at the end of the second debate, you know, which have been a very contentious debate. When does, person in the audience asked, you know, can you say something nice about your opponent? He sort of said something she very genuine about Hillary Clinton being a fighter and doesn't give up and that he respects that about her.

D'ANTONIO: I think it was genuine. And this is the frustrating thing for those folks who have spent time with Donald. Yeah, his both of his ex-wives said the same thing to me, they thought they could kind of spark that thing in him and keep it alive and help it to grow and it never happened.

COOPER: There's also a real, I don't know if it's a fear of humiliation, but humiliation ...

D'ANTONIO: Profound.

COOPER: ... seems to be a recurring theme.

D'ANTONIO: Yeah, this is why he talks about how they're making fools out of us, our foreign competitors, or they're laughing at us.

COOPER: Which is something he has been saying and putting in, you know, newspaper ads going back.

D'ANTONIO: It's still alive.

COOPER: Yeah.

D'ANTONIO: You know, so why does this guy always think about humiliation? Why does he worry that people are laughing at him. I suspect that somebody laughed at him a lot when he was young and he's been trying to make up for it ever since.

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SESAY: Well, as refer Donald Trump is ready to get physical, so when?

VAUSE: Now the billionaire and Vice President Joe Biden are threatening to duke it out. Keep in mind, they're in are in their 70s.

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JOE BIDEN, U.S. VICE PRESIDENT: The press always asks me, do I wish I would debating him? No, I wish I was in high school, I could take him behind the gym. That's what I would ...

TRUMP: I would love that. I'd love that. Mr. Tough Guy, you know, he's Mr. Tough Guy. You know when he is Mr. Tough guy, when he's standing behind a microphone by himself.

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SESAY: Another reminder, they're in their 70s.

VAUSE: Time to grow up, boys.

SESAY: Yeah, indeed.

You're watching CNN NEWSROOM live from L.A. We'll be back in just a moment.

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VAUSE: The Cleveland Indians are celebrating a big win in game one of baseball World Series. Cleveland's pitchers were dominant, striking out 15 batters to beat the Chicago Cubs, six to nothing.

SESAY: Indians' catcher, Roberto Perez, hit two home runs leads the team to victory. Game two is Wednesday night in Cleveland.

VAUSE: For star, Justin Timberlake facing 30 days in jail for snapping a selfie at the voting booth. He posted the photo to his Instagram page with this caption. "I just flew from L.A. to Memphis to rock the boat."

SESAY: The only problem here is Tennessee law prohibits photos or videos to be taken at polling stations. Officials are saying the matter is under review.

VAUSE: He could face a $50 fine.

SESAY: I think it's more likely a fine. Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton is really rocking out her pant suits, rather. Some would say she's going from a little frumpy to custom made fab.

VAUSE: Some people -- I'm hearing people are saying that. There are people out there ...

SESAY: Everywhere.

VAUSE: I'm hearing people ...

SESAY: I can hear it.

VAUSE: ... are saying that.

SESAY: I can hear it.

VAUSE: And as Jeanne Moos shows us, the fashion world is panting for her pants.

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JEANNE MOOS, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: This may be how Hillary Clinton is seen by Rudy Giuliani.

RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER NYC MAYOR: When I see her, I see her in her orange jump suit. I'm sorry.

MOOS: Sorry Rudy, but most see her in a pantsuit, so many pantsuits over the years. So many pantsuit jokes.

CLINTON: You said, you can tell it's summer. Today, Hillary Clinton hit the beach in a one-piece pantsuit.

MOOS: But these days, Hillary is hitting her stride with her pantsuits. She wore custom Ralph Lauren at the Democratic convention and Ralph Lauren for the third debate, white was a winner. Hillary Clinton coming into the room like a unicorn.

Actually, it was a reference to the white worn by suffragettes seeking the vote. Over three debates, Hillary wore red, white and blue. One tweet compared her outfits to those worn by rappers for Death Row Records. But Hillary exemplifies a trend.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That sexy pantsuit is in. Just not the old day frumpy pantsuits.

MOOS: Note, sexy pantsuit. Hillary's used to be considered uncool.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If you girls want to really knock the boys out, you should project boldness with the pro pantsuit combo.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm going to look like Hillary Clinton, ma.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know, right?

MOOS: But Hillary has kicked her pantsuit up a notch after hiring an aide to Michelle Obama. She may not be a style icon yet, but some are speculating about the Hillary Clinton effect. Choreograph pantsuit power flash mobs of supporters.

[02:55:02] They have been organized on Hillary's website, they even ell a novelty pantsuit without the pants. The $30 pantsuit tee is so popular it sold out. Hillary still makes pantsuit jokes.

CLINTON: And you look so good in your tuxes, or as I refer to them, formal pantsuits.

MOOS: Hillary has upped her pantsuit style just as she may be about to truly wear the pants. Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.

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SESAY: She's rocking the pantsuit.

VAUSE: You know, we don't talk a lot about what Donald Trump wears and we just seem to focus on Hillary and her pantsuits.

SESAY: And Donald Trump has said he likes Brioni suits.

VAUSE: That's true.

SESAY: That cost a lot of money. He likes his clothes.

VAUSE: But there is that one outfit that Hillary wears like the big space one with the red thing and she looks like she came off an alien ship. I think she should retire that. Not that I know anything about fashion.

SESAY: Yeah. So let's not talk about it.

VAUSE: Do you have a pantsuit?

SESAY: I don't. But they're in the ...

VAUSE: Well, maybe you should wear one. They wouldn't be so cold in here. A joke.

SESAY: Really, really. We're going to move on because you've been watching CNN NEWSROOM live from Los Angeles. I'm Isha Sesay. This should turn the heat up in the studio.

VAUSE: You can wear a pantsuit. I'm John Vause. She uses (ph) -- Nathan (ph), where is (inaudible). She wears pantsuits.

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