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Poll: Trump Leads Clinton By Two Points In Florida; ISIS Accused Of Using Civilians As Human Shields; Coalition Forces Preparing To Liberate Raqqa; Migrants Torch Huts In Calais "Jungle"; U.S. Four-Star General Backs Clinton In New Ad; Gingrich To Kelly: "You Are Fascinated With Sex; Trump Denies "Trump TV" Speculation; Two Earthquakes Hit Central Italy Within Hours. Aired 3-4p ET
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[15:00:12] HALA GORANI, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Hala Gorani. We are coming to you live from CNN London. Thanks for being with us this
hour. This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
Well, building the brand of a business empire or underscoring strength that he could bring to the White House. Donald Trump is raising eyebrows today
for taking quite the detour from the campaign trail with just 13 days left until the election. Take a look.
GORANI: Thanked by his family, the Republican candidate headlined a ribbon cutting ceremony for a new Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C.
He told reporters that the event was a metaphor for what he could do for America. Pledging to work on a national plan of revitalization.
CNN's Dana Bash talked to him afterwards asking why he's taking time away from campaigning in key battlegrounds.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You have been covering me for the last -- long time. I did yesterday eight stops and three major
speeches. And I've been doing this for weeks straight. I left here, I left there for an hour and a half, I'm going to North Carolina right now,
then Florida, up to New Hampshire.
For you to ask me that question is actually very insulting because Hillary Clinton does one stop, and then she goes home and sleeps. And yet you'll
ask me that question. I think it's a very rude question to be honest with you.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: All right. Well, he didn't like Dana Bash's question, obviously. Trump only vaguely referenced one of the biggest political headlines of the
day at his Washington event. He's been telling his supporters to ignore the polls calling them phony.
But no doubt he's happy about this one. A new "Bloomberg Politics" poll shows Trump gaining ground on Hillary Clinton in the key battleground state
of Florida. It gives him a two-point lead making the race there a statistical dead heat.
And by the way, he has to win Florida for him to win the presidential race according to all the experts we've been speaking to. But you may be
surprised to hear that Clinton is also telling her supporters to ignore the polls, but for an entirely different reason.
She is due to take the stage any time now at her second get out the vote rally today in Florida. Clinton is favored to win the election and is
consistently ahead in most polls. These are live pictures coming to us from Tampa. But she does not want her supporters to keep complaisant, pay
no attention to the polls and turn out to vote.
Let's bring in CNN political analyst, John Avlon, from New York. He's also editor-in-chief of "The Daily Beast." First of all, Florida, statistical
dead heat, Donald Trump a couple points ahead and the latest poll, what's going there?
JOHN AVLON, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Look, that's a big deal if the poll does not prove to be an outlier. Florida as you say is absolutely
essential to any path that Donald Trump might have to victory. Now he won Florida handily in the primary, but it's a totally different slice of the
And so the key is if he can close that gap in Florida, if it could be a statistical dead heat then the Clinton campaign needs to play offense in
Florida as well. Hillary being in Tampa is an indication of that.
But that's one of the few moves that could really tip the momentum of the election quite considerably. So as Tim Russert (ph) said several years
ago, Florida, Florida, Florida.
GORANI: Right, absolutely. So Hillary Clinton is going to do her best in the remaining days to stop him, to try to reverse that trend and get ahead
in Florida. What is her plan? What is her campaign strategy, John?
AVLON: Well, the key with Florida is the I-4 corridor. You know, you need to win swing voters in swing states and there are swing districts that
matter more than most. The area around Tampa and St. Petersburg is absolutely key.
There's one House race, which could be really pivotable. It's former Governor Charlie Crist against incumbent Republican Congressman David
Jolly. That could have outsized impact on the whole electorate.
The other question is the Hispanic vote. Actually, Puerto Rican Floridians who is a province of the United States have overtaken Cubans as the largest
demographic within the Hispanic community.
[15:05:08]But whether the Hispanic community votes overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton as they seem to be nationally or whether there remains a
core and growing support of Cuban-Americans who have traditionally voted Republican historically, that could also help Donald Trump close the gap.
So those are another community really to watch very closely in Florida.
GORANI: Let me ask you, if Donald Trump wins Ohio and Florida, what does that mean bigger picture?
AVLON: If he can pull off those two swing states, that would be a very significant step that opens a path to victory for him. The problem is that
Donald Trump really needs to pull us straight. He needs to win every swing state.
He doesn't have margins that would allow him to lose this state, but then pull out a win as Hillary Clinton does. Hillary Clinton has a border base
in terms of electoral votes. And she's closed the gap in a lot of states that are traditionally Republican. Arizona for example, even Texas seems
close in some states.
GORANI: And Georgia.
AVLON: So that's going to be absolutely key.
GORANI: John Avlon, thanks very much. Always a pleasure. Thanks for being with us.
AVLON: Thank you, Hala.
GORANI: Let's turn our attention now to the Middle East. Tens of thousands of troops are putting the squeeze on ISIS in Mosul. We're
hearing the terrorist group is sending in reinforcements. They are putting up a fight in an effort to slow the assault.
These ISIS suicide squads are making their way into Iraq from Raqqa, Syria. Witnesses say the new arrivals are rigging bridges with explosives and
preparing dozens of car bombs.
Now as Kurdish and Iraqi forces close in on Mosul from the east, there are reports that ISIS is gearing up for a key battle south of the city.
The International Organization for Migration announced today that more than 10,000 people have been displaced since the start of the offensive.
Arwa Damon visited a camp earlier. It's also a terrible humanitarian impact in that part of Iraq. She's in Irbil with the very latest. What
did you see today, Arwa?
ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Hala, this camp we went to is one that was only built in the last few weeks, specifically
for the anticipated influx, especially once the fighting really reaches the city of Mosul itself.
The vast majority of the inhabitants of this camp had just fled from their village and it had actually been liberated by Iraqi Security Forces, but
they were all asked to leave because of concerns that ISIS may be trying to come back around and counterattack.
And also because of concerns that ISIS may be trying to or have already rigged buildings and streets with explosives. These families, Hala, were,
yes, talking about the horrendous experiences they went through under ISIS.
They told us how ISIS wasn't allowing them to leave. How actually about a year ago, ISIS took all of their cell phones away and then three to four
months ago, forced them to remove their television satellite dishes that they weren't getting any news at all.
They would sneak out and either listen to car radios or few had radios that they kept hidden inside their homes to try to get snippets of news. They
talked about how ISIS forced the men to grow their beards, women to wear the covers.
How ISIS summarily executed anyone who they suspected of being involved with or cooperating with the security forces. The women and children,
especially traumatized, not just by life under ISIS, but then by the fighting itself because as they described it, it was very fierce.
It was very intense. One little 9-year-old girl we met talked to us about how she and her family hid underneath their scare case because the house
was being used by ISIS as a fighting position.
An air strike did hit, did destroy the wall of their house, but luckily they managed to survive. These were about 2,000 people so far in this camp
that has around a thousand tents. And as I was saying, this is really just the beginning of the stories that we're hearing from people who had to live
But also just the beginning of what humanitarian organizations are potentially warning is going to be a tsunami of people fleeing when the
fighting does hit the city of Mosul itself with its population of more than 1.2 million people -- Hala.
GORANI: Right, Arwa Damon, thanks very much in Irbil with the very latest. And that fight, of course, could be weeks, potentially longer away. ISIS
putting up a fight we've been reporting on that. Thank you very much to Arwa.
And staying by the way with the war against ISIS, the top American commander in Iraq says forces will try to liberate the group's de facto
capital in Raqqa, Syria very soon. These could overlap the battles for Mosul and Raqqa a few hundred kilometers away in Syria.
This comes a day after the American defense secretary announced the battles for Mosul and Raqqa could indeed overlap. Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[15:10:03]LT. GENERAL STEPHEN J. TOWNSEND, U.S. DEFENSE DEPARTMENT: We think there's an imperative to get isolation in place around Raqqa because
our intelligence feeds tell us that there is a significant external operations attacks planning going on emanating centralized in Raqqa. So we
think it's very important to get isolation in place around Raqqa to start controlling that environment on a pretty short time line.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Well, I'll be speaking in a few minutes stay tuned for this with the former deputy head of U.S. Central Command, General John Allen. I'll
ask him about what he believes should be done in the fight against ISIS. And recent comments by Donald Trump on the possibility of establishing no
fly zones over Syria.
Now to this story out of Europe not too far from where we are here. It had become a wretched symbol of Europe's migrant crisis, but the jungle
sprawling migrant camp in Northern France is in its final hours and is meeting quite the fiery end.
Migrants set dozens of shelters alight sending fires through the heart of the settlement. Here are some of those dramatic pictures. More than 5,000
migrants and refugees have already agreed voluntarily to move to other parts of France as part of a plan to resettle them. French officials say
they will officially close the camp within the next few hours.
Let's go now to CNN's Melissa Bell. She is at the Jungle camp in Calais with the very latest on today, what happened today, Melissa. Over to you.
MELISSA BELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, this very spot that I'm speaking to you from tonight, Hala, was where over the course of the last two nights we
saw clashes between riot police and migrants. Tonight, it is eerily quiet and the reason is that most of those who remain in the camp tonight are the
children. Here's how the day unfolded.
BELL (voice-over): Smoke fills the sky. In the end, parts of France's biggest migrant camp known as the jungle were not so much dismantled as
burnt to the ground. For hours, firefighters fought the blaze and that left the jungle looking like this.
Once the fire was tamed, those who still call it home, it's children, were allowed back in. Much to the anger of the humanitarian workers.
CLAIRE MOSELEY, VOLUNTEER, CARE CALAIS: A problem that we have is the only people really left here now are the unaccompanied children because some of
them have been processed and put back in the containers. Some of them did not get processed today and actually just got sent back to the camp, which
is very worrying and where they're going to sleep tonight.
BELL (on camera): Tonight, one of the most potent symbols of Europe's migrant crisis lies in smoky ruins, but there are those who fear that it
could come back. And it isn't just those who protect the migrants that are worried, but also local authorities. They point out that Calais has simply
been the victim and for years now of a policy failure that lies on the other side of the channel.
NATACHA BOUCHART, CALAIS MAYOR (through translator): The British government says it refuses to welcome migrants, but we know they keep
crossing the border. And when they arrive, the British government let them integrate Britain and it is hypocritical.
BELL: CNN is trying to get through to the British home office to get their response. In the meantime, the mayor of Calais says her main worry is the
1,500 migrants who will sleep tonight in the charred remains of their former home.
BELL: Now Hala, within the last few moments, the British home office did get back to CNN explaining that it is categorically wrong to suggest that
the U.K. does not remove illegal immigrants. We have removed more than 41,000 in the last year alone and introduced measures to make it harder for
illegal immigrants to live and work in Britain.
Now as far as the question of those children goes, many of them are tonight being housed inside those containers within the camp. But NGOs are pretty
crossed this evening that there are those that are going to be sleeping rough.
GORANI: All right, Melissa Bell in Calais, at the camp, thanks very much as that camp disappears.
Another very grim statistic emerges, the United Nations says 2016 has been the deadliest year ever for migrants and refugees trying to cross the
The high commissioner for refugees says at least 3,800 people have died or gone missing this year trying to reach Europe and, of course, as you know,
the year is not over. A couple months left, but we're already at almost 4,000 deaths.
Still to come this evening, thousands of NATO troops heading east. It sounds like something out of the cold war. The alliance gets set for its
biggest deployment since the Cold War. We'll be right back with that.
GORANI: Some developing news out of Italy, a magnitude 5.4 earthquake has hit the center of the country outside the town of Viso. The depth was
reported at ten kilometers. The U.S. Geological Service says there's moderate potential for damage, which is a good thing after some of the
terrible earthquakes we've seen over the last few years.
Though there have been no reports of damages or injuries, we will continue to bring you developments on this as we get them on CNN.
Now, an emboldened Russia flexing its military might. That's been raising concerns and capitals across the world, but none more so in than in those
nations bordering Russia.
NATO is now sending reinforcements, making its largest deployments since the Cold War. The alliance plans to send thousands of troops to former
Soviet Republics including Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, and Poland.
It is meant to deter what NATO calls Russia's assertive military posturing. Here's NATO secretary general on that.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JENS STOLTENBERG, NATO SECRETARY GENERAL: Our forces will be truly multinational sending an unmistakable message, NATO stands as one. An
attack on one ally will be considered an attack on us all. This aligns thus what it says and we deliver on our promises.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: All right, well, Russia recently deployed nuclear capable missiles to the region that directly borders Poland and Lithuania. And Lithuania is
where we find our international diplomatic editor, Nic Robertson. He is in the capital of Vilmia.
So tell us how much concern there is especially with the annexation of Crimea in the Baltic States -- Nic.
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: There is a real level of concern. We were at the border which was earlier today, which is just a
couple hour's drive away. You get a sense just being so close to that border how much it means to people here and in Poland.
I mean, one of the things that concerns the defense ministries here and in the other Baltic States, it's not just those missiles that Russia has just
But the fact that they've got this sophisticated integrated, air, sea, and land missile defense system, which actually projects it's power and threat
deep into Europe, deep into NATO territory.
So when we talk about the ability and that NATO is reinforcing and putting more troops in this and Poland and the Baltic region here. Those missile
systems have the capability to even target those reinforcements as they come into the region.
So as you say, what happened in Crimea has every one here particularly worried, both Poland and Lithuania stood down their conscription several
years ago and then Poland, the reaction to all of this uncertainty has been a rise in patriotism and people going to join militias.
[15:20:03]ROBERTSON (voice-over): Marsha is running like her life depends on it, but one day it might. The 20-year-old student hopes to join the
Army one day, but for now she's trying out for an elite unit in one of Poland's growing militias.
(on camera): Why do you like this? Why do you want to do it?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because I love sport. I love this.
ROBERTSON: But not everyone in her unit of fresh volunteers is up to it. This 30-year-old banker who read about the militia on their website is
struggling. Many volunteers motivated by concerns about Russia.
MARTA ADAMCZEWSKA, STUDENT (through translator): I think it worries three quarters of our society, everyone should feel worried in the situation.
ROBERTSON: This unit traces its roots back to the First World War, but what's changed now is a revival in patriotism. This being backed by the
government. Poland's deputy defense minister explains to me why.
TOMASZ SZATKOWSKI, POLISH MINISTRY OF DEFENCE: Because it helps to have a better trained, better skilled, pool of people that could be called into
military service in a time of a crisis.
ROBERTSON: And right now that crisis is Russia's escalating, unpredictability, not a factor when Poland abandoned it's compulsory
military service eight years ago.
SZATKOWSKI: The situation is indeed increasingly starting to resemble the situation during the cold war.
ROBERTSON: Yan (inaudible), a 22-year-old student is exactly the type of person the government wants to help. He's been in the militia seven years.
Long enough to be training new recruits like Marta and long enough to know government support will up their game.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Better training. That's good. We want to be ready for anything that poses to Poland.
ROBERTSON: And that means a lot more cold, wet weekends ahead.
ROBERTSON: As you can imagine, there's more than just those militias training in Poland and today in Lithuania. The story we'll get to later
this week. We were watching U.S. troops and Lithuanian troops in live fire exercises, barely an hour's drive from that border with (inaudible) --
GORANI: OK. Nick Robertson, thanks very much. He is in Vilmias this evening.
As concerns about Russia escalate across Eastern Europe, the Kremlin's motives have been widely debated in the U.S. presidential race and so has
ISIS. Now Hillary Clinton's foreign policy experience is getting a powerful endorsement in a new ad from retired four-star general, John
Allen. Take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GENERAL JOHN ALLEN (RETIRED), FORMER ISAF COMMANDER: When somebody makes a comment that they know more about the Islamic State or ISIL than the
generals. It implies a complete ignorance of the reality. I believe Secretary Clinton really understands the threat that the Islamic State
poses to the United States and to the American people. And at least she understands how to wield American power to ultimately defeat this threat
and to keep us safe.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Well, General John Allen is the former special presidential envoy for the global coalition to counter ISIS. He is the former deputy
commander of CENTCOM and previously led U.S. forces in Afghanistan and he joins us today from Washington.
General, thanks for being with us. Why we know you and endorsed Hillary Clinton this summer, why go so far, you're really going that extra mile for
her appearing in a campaign ad. Why are you doing it?
ALLEN: Well, I wanted to be unambiguous in my both my support for her, but also my concerns for a lot of the rhetoric that we've heard during this
campaign, which would really strike the very heart of our civil military relationship in the United States, but also the use of American forces for
actions that are simply illegal. So I took a stand on this issue.
GORANI: Such as what? When you say illegal -- what concerns you most? I mean, you're speaking in general terms, but specifically --
ALLEN: I'd be very specific and it's a lot that concerns me. It is the implication that American troops could be employed for torture. The
implication that American troops could be used to track down and kill or assassinate the families of alleged terrorists.
The implication that American troops could be used for carpet bombing or reinforce the potential seizure of Iraqi oil, a sovereign commodity of
You know, these kinds of comments, both shake our confidence in the person making those comments, but also shake the confidence of our allies as well.
And so it's a difficult decision, but I made the decision to come out both to support Secretary Clinton to be the commander-in-chief and the president
of the United States but also to condemn these comments also.
[15:25:07]GORANI: And let me ask you a little bit about something that Donald Trump said today in reaction to one of the policy proposals that
Hillary Clinton floated regarding how to deal with the Syria crisis. And that is the establishment of no fly zones over certain parts of Syria.
This is what Donald Trump had to say about it.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP (via telephone): We should focus on ISIS. We should not be focusing on Syria. With her plan, you'll end up in World War Three with Syria.
You're going to end up -- Steve, you're going to end up in World War Three over Syria if we listen to Hillary Clinton. She's incompetent.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: OK. So that was about no-fly zones, which would be a major military escalation in Syria and it would involve potential conflict with
Russian war planes. Do you think it's a good idea to establish no-fly zones there?
ALLEN: Well, no-fly zones are less about the "what" in terms of the establishment of a no-fly zone than it is about the when and the where.
And so what we need to do is seeing her proposal and the overall analysis of Syria, and in its entirety and not focus on one aspect.
The clip you played focuses on a commentary with respect to no-fly zone. There's a lot more in her policy considerations than simply the no-fly
zone. My guess is, and frankly more than a guess, that after her election, we're going to see a major analysis on what options we really have.
But she's committed as we all are to a political outcome in Syria, one certainly that ends the earliest possible moment the horrendous
bloodletting that's being inflicted on the Syrian people by Syria and the Russians.
GORANI: And General Allen, as you know, her critics say, look, Hillary Clinton's record with regards to, you know, when she was secretary of state
during the military intervention in Libya, that didn't go so well. The situation is chaotic there. Of course, what happened in Benghazi, any
misgivings or hesitations with regard to her record when you decided to endorse her in this ad?
ALLEN: No. And of course, there are tragic moments in the course of the history of every country and I've watched her in action. I watched her as
a secretary of state when I commanded our forces in Afghanistan, she was enormously helpful to me as the commander there.
And I've met with her both in Afghanistan, I was present at a number of very important meetings in the situation room, either presently --
personally or brought in by video by Kabul.
So I've watched her in action. She's calm under fire. She knows her brief. She's very assertive. She's exactly the person that I believe we
need to be the commander-in-chief or the president of the United States.
GORANI: We've been showing her campaigning, these are live images of her in Tampa, Florida, where a recent poll just came out, she's behind by a
couple of points there against Donald Trump.
I want to pivot though to NATO reinforcing its military defenses there in Eastern Europe. Do you think -- I mean, do you think that western
countries, NATO countries, including the United States led by Barack Obama, allowed Russia to do things like annex Crimea, essentially own Syria with
its support of the Assad regime.
You know, do you believe that this is a failure of the NATO countries that it's gotten so far that Russia has -- to the extent that it's threatening
ALLEN: Well, it's important to remember that NATO isn't against anyone. NATO is a defensive alliance. NATO is a combination of 28 states, soon to
be 29, that embody a common understanding or common belief in a system of government and very importantly a common set of values.
So NATO isn't against anyone. It is about defending itself and NATO is taking the steps as you have pointed out and has shown, that to begin that
process, and to be very clear and unambiguous, NATO will defend itself and that Article V of the NATO charter is important to all the members to
include the United States under this president.
GORANI: Right, but I mean, I didn't mean NATO as an organization, but the, of course, individual member states that constitute NATO. That, you know,
Russia has essentially with Ukraine, the annexation of Crimea then the propping up of the Assad regime and participating in airstrikes clearly
that have killed civilians. That this Vladimir Putin's actions have essentially been left unchecked. Is that something that's fair to say?
ALLEN: No, I don't think it has been unchecked. And of course, there are a series of sanctions that have been levelled against Russia. We may well
see more sanctions piled on top if we continue to see the naked use of force and violence against the Syrian people.
That I believe there have been active steps taken to try to support the Ukraine in its effort to remain independent, remain a sovereign state,
although its sovereignty has in fact been violated by the illegal annexation of Crimea.
[15:30:03] So I believe within the context of its capabilities, the west has in fact acted and the west is prepared to defend itself if necessary in
the context of NATO should there be (inaudible) aggression leveled against that alliance.
GORANI: All right, General John Allen, thanks very much. We really appreciate your time there this evening on CNN International. Thanks for
joining us from Washington.
ALLEN: My pleasure to meet with you today, thanks.
GORANI: All right, thanks. Still ahead, she's one of the most vocal supporters of Donald Trump this side of the Atlantic. Coming up, we're
joined by a controversial British columnist, Katie Hopkins, stay with us.
GORANI: Welcome back. A look at our top stories this hour. Donald Trump made a brief detour from the campaign trail today to open a new Trump Hotel
in Washington, D.C. He called the event a metaphor for what he could do for America pledging to work on a national plan of revitalization. Trump
is due at a rally in the swing state of North Carolina.
Also among our top stories, symbol of the migrant crisis in Europe and a ram shackle home for thousands is in its final hours. Officials at the
migrant camp in Calais known as the "Jungle" say they hope to close it entirely by the end of today, by the end of today, Wednesday, some migrants
have been setting fires there as officials send them to resettle in other parts of France.
Riot police fired stun grenades at protesting students South Africa's parliament today. Students have demanded free education there for months.
The finance minister spoke inside parliament and he did pledge more money for education, but as you can see there, chaos in some parts of Cape Town
in South Africa.
Donald Trump is no stranger to lashing out at the media and if a fiery interaction between one of his surrogates and Fox's Megyn Kelly is anything
to go by, there is still no love lost today on Tuesday, former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich accused Kelly of spending too much time covering
Trump's alleged sexual misconducts.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
NEWT GINGRICH, FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER: So it's worth 23 minutes for the three networks to cover that story and Hillary Clinton and a secret speech
in Brazil to a bank that pays 225,000 saying her dream has an open border where 600 million people could come to America, that's not worth covering.
MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS: That is worth covering, and we did.
GINGRICH: Went back to tapes of show, you are fascinated with sex and you don't care about public policy. That's what I get out of watching you
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Fascinated by sex as you might expect Trump's response was positive.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: By the way, congratulations, Newt, on last night. That was an amazing interview. It was amazing.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Well, he loved it. The exchange is not likely to do Trump favors with female voters. A recent CNN/ORC poll shows Hillary Clinton holds a
12-point lead among women.
There are just 13 days until the U.S. election and if polls like that are anything to go by, 13 might be an unlucky number for Donald Trump, but our
next guest insists that Trump will win.
Dailymail.com columnist, Katie Hopkins, joins me now. Do you think he's going to win?
KATIE HOPKINS, COLUMNIST, DAILYMAIL.COM: I think he's going to win. I think you guys are in for a big surprise, which I'm quite excited about. I
think we've seen a similar thing here in the U.K. with Brexit. We saw a lot of the liberal press kind of sneering at Brexiteers. We saw a lot of
the sneering that we see from the Clinton News Network and I think --
GORANI: That is CNN. You're calling us the Clinton News Network.
HOPKINS: That's exactly correct.
GORANI: Why? Why do you call us the Clinton News Network?
HOPKINS: Because earlier on --
GORANI: We prominently featured a Florida poll that shows Donald Trump had a couple of points --
HOPKINS: I know you're on Twitter you were telling me after Hillary Clinton has 12-point lead. Now you're having to look at Florida polls
showing a two-point lead --
GORANI: Though entirely different things.
HOPKINS: That's hard for you.
GORANI: One is a national poll that showed she had one poll 12-point lead. Others show a nine-point lead. Nationally she's ahead for weeks.
HOPKINS: (Inaudible) off the polls. I think none of us need to take any notice of them whatsoever. We learned that in the U.K. with Brexit learned
indeed with our general election. Having sat in the Republican convention in Cleveland and watched your news network, it is entirely biased I think
your coverage. And I think Trump's doing a great job and I think what we saw today from him over --
GORANI: How? Because you keep making these accusations and quite frankly you cannot back them up.
HOPKINS: Because you just said, I'll give you an example --
GORANI: Back them up, not in air time, not how often --
HOPKINS: Off the back what have you just said. I won't let you finish. I want to answer your question. You said I can't back them up.
GORANI: You go ahead and back them up. I can tell you --
HOPKINS: I'll back them up. So you were just saying how Trump really struggles with women. You seem to love to present us women and I am
vaguely a woman as victims. I don't see myself as a victim. Many women, hard working women don't see themselves as victims and we could look at
other polls that say 70 percent of individuals find Clinton to be utterly distasteful. I find her --
GORANI: By the way --
HOPKINS: -- horrid to look at. Her little smile there does nothing for me.
GORANI: Katie, nobody's saying everybody loves Hillary Clinton.
HOPKINS: But you just said women, you said women love Hillary. Women do not love Hillary.
GORANI: I never said that. You're literally misquoting me. I gave you a poll where she had a 12-point advantage over Donald Trump.
HOPKINS: They really are (inaudible) less. Move on. I'm bored of your polls.
GORANI: OK, but you just quoted something I said --
HOPKINS: Tell me the correct quote.
GORANI: That women love Hillary Clinton?
HOPKINS: Wrong word, Clinton.
GORANI: When did I say that?
HOPKINS: You love Clinton, remember, not Trump.
GORANI: This conversation is actually going completely off the rails because it seems like we've just entered a post-fact world where no matter
what we say to you, you will actually deny facts and then fabricate quotes and put them in my mouth.
HOPKINS: Where we now sit in politics is in a world of post-truth politics where we surround ourselves with the truth that we to want hear. People
echo, enter an echo chamber and hear the stuff that they want to hear, which is why people that support Clinton listen to you and why people that
support Trump might listen to me on Fox, for example. Anyway, do ask me questions you want to ask me.
GORANI: Let's talk about Brexit. Because -- no, first let me ask you about your support for Donald Trump. What is it about the things that he
says, why do you support Donald Trump?
Because you're sitting here in Britain, of course, you were pro-Brexit and all those things, and you have said some absolutely vicious and disgusting
things about immigrants --
HOPKINS: For example?
GORANI: You've called them cockroaches. You've said they were feral. You said --
HOPKINS: I said we should turn back.
GORANI: Go ahead and kill themselves.
HOPKINS: I think we should term that --
GORANI: -- blocking bed --
GORANI: Absolutely disgusting things --
HOPKINS: In your opinion it's disgusting. In my opinion, I speak the truth.
GORANI: Anybody who calls a human being a cockroach --
HOPKINS: I don't you speak for everybody -- move along with your question.
GORANI: Why do you support Donald Trump?
HOPKINS: Because for me, as a small business owner, he really speaks to me and the people like me that work hard for a living. He gets things done.
I think we've just seen Obamacare, it crucifies small business owners.
You're going to get more of that with Hillary Clinton. You're not going to get that are with Trump and I think that's very important. He also gets
stuff done. What we've seen with Clinton, essentially she's just the wife of an ex-president.
She was there supporting her husband while he was in the oval office with Monica Lewinsky on her knees -- you're going to cut me off.
GORANI: You just said she's someone's wife -- she was secretary of state - -
[15:40:03]HOPKINS: She was someone's wife and he had affairs in the oval office and she stood by him. That is not a strong woman for me, honey.
GORANI: But if you call me honey, that is just very --
HOPKINS: You find that hard? What word would you like me to use?
GORANI: Let's get this back on track. Brexit, why did you support Brexit? Keeping migrants out of Britain? Was that the main --
HOPKINS: No, not immigration is not the main reason, I'm a big fan. I was in the British Army. I'm a big fan of the British forces. It's another
reason why I support Trump actually because I think he will stand up for our service personnel and for Brexit, it was about taking back control.
Taking back sovereignty and I'll start broadcaster was very biased in their reporting and coverage of Brexit. They did not believe that Brexit would
win. They found it very difficult to admit that we won and I find your coverage to be very similar with Trump.
GORANI: All right, we're going leave it there, Katie Hopkins, that was interesting. It's interesting to speak to someone with your views and just
trying to figure out where they come from. Thanks very much for joining us.
Well, Donald Trump's former role as host of a reality TV show earned him a star in the Hollywood Walk of Fame, but today that star is unrecognizable.
Police say a man vandalized it with a sledge hammer and pick ax, and the act captured on video.
They say they expect to make an arrest. Might not be that hard considering man who says he did it gave an interview to a local media website. He says
he wanted to auction off the star and donate the proceeds to women who claimed Trump sexually mistreated them, but the star was too heavy to pry
While Trump has long accused the media of bias, we heard it there from one of his most passionate fans, he's denying interest in something that would
give him the chance to hit back louder than ever. His own television network.
Here's Brian Stelter now reports Trump appears to be setting his sights online, not on-air.
BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): And welcome, maybe, to Trump TV. Promoting live campaign coverage every night until the
election at 6:30 p.m. sharp. That's the same time as the networks nightly news.
TRUMP: These thieves and crooks, the media --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get excited to be bypassing the media which screws everything.
STELTER: Boras Epstein is an investment banker turned Trump advisor and co-host along with fellow advisor Cliff Simms, a conservative media
consultant. So it's a campaign ad disguised as a newscast. Keeping Trump supporters' hopes up through Election Day, but is it also a preview of
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Make sure to check out Trump TV. You're going to hate it.
STELTER: He has a theoretical post-election Donald Trump Television Network as media insiders buzzing.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This definitely looks like a prototype. It looks like a news network.
STELTER: But Trump himself says no way.
TRUMP (via telephone): I have no interest in Trump TV.
STELTER: However, some of his aides are interested. Last week when CNN asked about the rumors, Trump campaign CEO, Steve Bannon slightly commented
that Trump is an entrepreneur. Even if Trump does not to want host a show again --
TRUMP: Johnny, you're fired.
STELTER: Pro-Trump media like Bannon's old site, Breitbart News, could try to launch a network or a streaming service to keep Trump's fans energized.
Trump has millions of followers on social media. But so far, the Facebook streams are reaching a small, loyal crowd, about 50,000 people live
streamed it on Night One.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You've got Mr. Trump with an enormous Twitter following, a massive Facebook following.
STELTER: Starting a cable network would cost hundreds of millions of dollars, but the Netflix model could work.
JENNIFER SABA, COLUMNIST, READERS BREAKINGVIEWS: For Trump to break even with an internet direct to consumer network, he would need about 500,000
subscribers, paying $9.99 per month.
STELTER: The business challenge would be keeping costs low and passions high.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tune in, keep it right here, enjoy, thank you for watching.
STELTER: Brian Stelter, CNN, New York.
GORANI: Just in to CNN, a magnitude 6.0 earthquake has hit Central Italy, the second quake in a space of just a few hours. The quake struck 68
kilometer east of the city of Perugia and it was powerful. It was felt as far away as Rome.
A 5.5 magnitude tremor shook the same exact region earlier outside of the town. Central Italy was hit of course by a major quake in August this year
which killed nearly 300 people. We will continue to bring you developments on this as we get them on CNN.
This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. I said that a picture is worth a thousand words, but when you find out who painted this, you'll see that a thousand
words are nowhere near enough to do it justice. We'll be right back.
GORANI: The Tokyo 2020 Olympics will be a prime opportunity for Japan to showcase its innovations. One of the country's oldest sportswear
companies, Asics is working on new gear to combine athletics and technology. Will Ripley gave it a test run for our series this week on
WILL RIPLEY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In 1964, the Olympics came to Tokyo. These seats were filled with the pride of a
nation, not only was it the first time the world's most prestigious games were held in the east, it was a declaration of Japan's recovery from World
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Olympics is biggest moment for the company.
RIPLEY: When Japan seized the global spotlight, so did Asics, as the CEO Motoi Oyama recalls.
MOTOI OYAMA, CEO, ASICS: It was quite famous kickstart in our country for the industry. Therefore, this company is the first company to use nylon
materials for the running shoes, even wrestling shoes.
RIPLEY: Today, Asics has a reputation for making some of the world's best running shoes, bringing the Japanese quality to the sporting world.
(on camera): You've got to see the upcoming Olympics as an opportunity to really show to the world what your company in particular has to offer. Are
you feeling the pressure?
OYAMA: Before the Olympic, four-year term, then the, as I said, the opening day of the next Olympics in 2020 is the first day that the stage
that we are introducing a new technology.
RIPLEY (voice-over): And so the countdown begins. Starting here, the Asics Institute of Sports Science.
(on camera): This is where you're custom making shoes for Olympic athletes.
OYAMA: Yes, of course. This room, the target is not only the Olympic Games, but there's others professional players and athletes.
RIPLEY (voice-over): When it comes to designing shoes for the future, Asics intends to put their best foot forward, excuse my pun, every last
(on camera): All of the fabrics, foams, everything is an Asics creative material.
RIPLEY: And you did that all year.
OYAMA: Yes. Every material born in here.
RIPLEY (voice-over): Every shoe company in the world is in a race to bring that edge to an athlete or team. But it's more than just developing
lighter and more durable material, it's about finding that balance where technology can unlock human potential.
(on camera): So this is the foot measurement room, and every athlete gets one of those custom pairs of shoes has to have their feet scanned in here.
They've got some pretty big names that are going to do what I'm about to do.
(voice-over): Obviously I'm no Olympian, but for the sake of journalism, I'll give it a go.
(on camera): Do you think this is a bit much?
[15:50:00](voice-over): More than 40 reflective markers are attached to my body in preparation for this. Motion analysis. As I run, cameras track
every part of how my body moves, the angles at which my knees bend, how my arms fold.
OYAMA: I was so surprised. Very, very beautiful.
RIPLEY (on camera): Really?
OYAMA: Yes, yes.
RIPLEY: A compliment I gladly take in stride. This science is an integral part of an athlete's ability to push boundaries and break records to bring
the best of Japanese precision to the limelight.
GORANI: All right. This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Do stay with us. We'll be right back.
GORANI: We had the chance to take a break from some of the darker headlines we cover and pause for a moment of artistic reflection. In the
latest edition of the invitation from CNN Style, world class violinist takes us inside London's most iconic cathedral.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
NICOLA BENEDETTI, WORLD CLASS VIOLINIST: Music quite simply represents to me the most intense experiences I've had in my life. When a performance
reaches its highest state, I actually have experienced many times something sort of similar to your life flashing before your eyes.
I've lived in London for 11 years and haven't made it to the cathedral very much at all, but I don't think I ever imagined I would have the whole place
to myself. The piece I'm playing here today is my Johann Sebastian Bach.
It was written around 1717, which is in fact the same year my violin was being made in Italy and it is not more than a decade after this place was
To be able to play deeply spiritual music within this space is a moment in time I'll always remember it. You would imagine you'd feel the need to
fill all of that air and actually it sort of does the opposite to you. You feel smaller.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Beautiful, and from one inspiring artists to another. Look that the painting. It was not created by an impressionist master, but by a girl
with severe autism who is 6 years old. Iris Palmshaw (ph) once struggled to communicate in even the most basic way, but through art she expressed
herself beyond words themselves.
Of course, not every child with autism has such a remarkable break through, but today there is a long-term study out offering parents unprecedented a
It came out in an "Atlantic Medical Journal" and it observed that children over a period of more than six years, it says symptoms can improve if
parents properly work with their autistic children from a preschool age.
Unlike previous studies, the one out today places the emphasis on parents and not the child. And while the study is being held as positive, well,
researchers stress it only offers a potential treatment and of course sadly not yet at least not a cure for autism.
I want to remind you of our breaking news this hour. Two earthquakes have hit central Italy in the space of just two hours. So, let's get more on
this with Tom Sader at the CNN World Weather Center. What's the latest?
TOM SADER, AMS METEOROLOGIST: We're still waiting on word and more data from the USGS on a shake map. How many people may have felt light,
moderate, severe shaking? What we do know is at 7:10 p.m. local time. The first quake was a 5.5. This was only 20 kilometers away from Amatrice that
had that devastating earthquake in late August.
Two hours later at 9:18, this has now been adjusted. Originally, it was a 6.4 they believe, Hala, then they went to 6.0, but this is just changed now
to a 6.1. That's over five times stronger than the previous earthquake just two hours ago.
Both have a depth of only 10 kilometers. So what that means is basically, there is a lot more shaking going on. Again, we know the region well, but
let's get in closer and take a look so everybody gets an idea.
What you're going to see in red. This is the 6.1 that occurred again at 9:18, only ten kilometers in depth and the one just below it was two hours
previous. Again, you can call it a floor shock.
As we continue to get in the region, we're going to be waiting for damage assessment. We'll get more information from the USGS as far as the
possibility of structural damage and, or, if any injuries or fatalities. But an area that seen too much in the last couple of months -- Hala.
GORANI: We had that terrible earthquake in August. Thanks very much, Tom Sader, for that. We'll have more. This has been THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. I'm
Hala Gorani. Do stay with us. "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS" is up next.