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Iraqi Troops on Mosul's Doorstep; Clinton, Trump Blazing the Campaign Trail; Are White Working Class Americans Misunderstood by Media?; Anti-Corruption Probe Issues Scathing Report of Jacob Zuma's Administration. 11:00a-12:00P ET
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[11:00:16] ARWA DAMON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: That right there, that is the Mosul television tower. And it basically demarcates the
eastern perimeter of the city itself.
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BECKY ANDERSON, HOST: Iraqi troops now on Mosul's doorstep and facing fierce resistance from ISIS. A live report for you from Iraq is up next
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PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hillary Clinton trying to turn the page and get the focus back on to Donald Trump.
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HAYES: As Trump tells Clinton supporters it's not too late for them to change their mind. With just six days to go, the very latest on the
contest to be the president of the United States.
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MELISSA BELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: But as the camp in Calias has closed, others have grown like this one near a Paris metro station.
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ANDERSON: The remaining kids are being moved from Calais, their destination unknown, while others remain in limbo on the streets. We'll
cross to Paris later in the program.
Hello and welcome to Connect the World. I'm Becky Anderson in Abu Dhabi. It is just after 7:00 in the evening here.
Not a soul in sight: the road to Iraq's second city appears to be suspended in time as Mosul braces for what is expected to be a violent and imminent
CNN's team traveling with Iraqi forces who say residents cannot leave their homes as troops make their final push. They're up against sniper fire,
planted explosives and barricaded roads.
Well, ISIS has held the Iraqi city for more than two years andthere is a warning that more
than a million civilians are in new danger, including those rounded out by the terror group to be used as human shields.
Well, over the past few days we've told you what's happening on the front lines of this battle. Just hours ago, CNN's Arwa Damon got an astonishing
first-hand look at exactly what Iraqi forces are up against.
This is her report from the outskirts of a city on the brink of all-out war.
DAMON: Take a look around us. The tower up there, that is actually considered to be the demarcation of Mosul's eastern most perimeter. And
we're going to be moving kind of carefully through here because there have been incoming mortar rounds, incoming rocket-propelled grenades and there's
a sniper that is firing in this direction, as well.
But over here, that is the main road that leads to Mosul. And you can see that it has been bermed up and I don't know if Reece (ph) can get a shot of
this, but that town you see on the other side of the berm, that is the Mosul neighborhood of Qarama (ph), and that is inside the city itself.
It's only about 200 meters from where we currently are right now.
And you have troops with the counterterrorism unit, the elite U.S. trained unit, that have moved up all along this various different front lines.
They've cleared through the town of (inaudible). They've been going through it throughout the entire day, clearing it of any remnants of ISIS.
They've come across quite a few firefights, and now they are trying to secure this area in particular, so that then they can actually begin the
push into Mosul, the city itself, and they are fully anticipating that once they actually cross this road and get into the city, the fight is going to
be significantly more intense.
We've been speaking to some of the civilians who lived here, they say the ISIS fighters who used to be here, they, a lot of them, moved away with
their families, taking them with them into the city of Mosul itself. Again, just on the other side of that berm, some 200 meters away.
ANDERSON: And Arwa Damon joining us now from near Mosul.
A snapshot there, Arwa, of what you have seen. Describe what else you are or you've experienced and seen on that road.
DAMON: Well, Becky, as we drove away from the location we were at in that clip you just aired, we came across hundreds of people -- men, women and
children, an elderly woman being pushed in a wooden wheelbarrel who were actually leaving that neighborhood that is just around the television
station antenna because there was such intensity of the incoming mortar fire that ISIS was shooting into the particular neighborhood.
There were a number of casualties that were reported, and these people were just walking with whatever it was that they could carry. They didn't know
where they were going to go. They had heard that there was a refugee camp, but that's hours away.
The Iraqi troops at one point took them off to the side of trying to convince them to go back to the areas in Gukchili (ph) that had already
been cleared because on the one hand the Iraqis say that they want to screen everyone for any possible ISIS fighters among them, ISIS
sympathizer, but understandably, the residents of these areas, the only thought that's on their mind is to get as far away from the fighting as
And we also throughout the course of the day as we pushed up towards that area had been talking to a number of civilians. And truly, Becky, we say
this over and over how horrific the stories are of what they endured under ISIS, but each time you hear them they're just as chilling as they always
have been. People who were detained for no reason that they could possibly fathom, people who were
killed just because they were accused of collaborating with the security forces, but most horrifying of all the stories we heard today was that of a
She had ten children of her own and she refused to support ISIS. She says her neighbors were ISIS supporters and somehow this resulted in ISIS
basically kidnapping her, enslaving her for about a year and a half. And throughout the course of that, she said that she was raped and she gave
birth to a son and all she could say right now was, I only can hope and pray that my son does not know, does not ever find out who his father is,
[11:06:44] ANDERSON: This is just horrific.
Arwa, you talked about people trying to get out, trying to identify where they go for refuge. These are men, women and children. What are their
options at this point?
DAMON: Well, here's the problem, there is a refugee camp that was set up by car probably about 45 minute, half hour drive away from the location
that they were in, but they were going to have to walk this particular road and there was no transportation that was prearranged for them.
On top of that, you have this issue of screening.
Now, in hypothetical situation, what a lot of the NGOs wanted to try to establish was some sort
of forward screening position exactly for this kind of scenario so that people could get screened fairly quickly and then taken by bus or truck or
some sort of transportation to these refugee camps. Obviously, there's been some sort of disconnect in all of this planning.
So, these people don't know where they are going to spend the night. When we last left them they were on the side of the road with the Iraqi troops
trying to convince them to move into some of the house that had been abandoned that were relatively speaking safe.
And then added to all of this, you're going to have an even bigger influx, potentially, when the
fighting does, in fact, reach Mosul and people are able to flee assuming that they are able to flee the fighting that's there.
So, there is a lot of uncertainty for these families that are moving away from the front lines that aren't able to get to area wheres they are then
able to access these various different refugee camps or the humanitarian aid stations that have been set up. And it really goes to the crux of this
situation that so many people have been talking about before this operation began. And that was on the one hand, yes, there may be a plan to liberate
the city of Mosul itself, but on the humanitarian side, the plan to deal with the potential humanitarian disaster that many are expecting to unfold
to an even greater degree of severity, that planning or at least the implementation of that plan is not necessarily at the same level as the
battlefield plan implementation has been.
ANDERSON: And we are talking about as many as a million refugees.
Arwa, thank you, for your reporting from you and the team.
Right viewers, with just six days left, every second clearly counts. The U.S. presidential candidates working overtime to win over voters and make
sure their base turns out at the polls Tuesday next week.
Donald Trump is laser focused on Florida today, a state that he must win to capture the White House, while his running mate, Mike Pence, campaigns in
three western states.
Hillary Clinton also headed out west, trying to make in-roads in what are traditionally Republican territory. Her high-profile surrogates literally
cover the map, blanketing other battlegrounds. Phil Mattingly reports Clinton is intensifying her attacks on Trump's character as the clock ticks
HILLARY CLINTON, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Why does he do these things? Who acts like this? And I'll tell you who: a bully. That's who.
[11:10:17] PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Hillary Clinton trying to turn the page and get the focus back onto Donald Trump.
CLINTON: We've never had someone so unqualified and unfit to be president and commander in chief.
MATTINGLY: After days of intense scrutiny over a new FBI review of e- mails that could be related to her private server, Clinton campaigning in Florida
with the woman she thrust into the national spotlight at the first debate: former Miss Universe Alicia Machado.
ALICIA MACHADO, FORMER MISS UNIVERSE: He even called me names. He said to me, "Miss Piggy, Miss Housekeeping, mean eating machine (ph)."
MATTINGLY: And deploying a new ad attacking Trump's incendiary remarks toward women.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you treat women with respect?
TRUMP: I can't say that either.
MATTINGLY: All part of Clinton's pitch to female voters, a crucial voting bloc for a campaign looking to regain its momentum.
Clinton also using a tried and true campaign attack, slamming Trump over not paying taxes.
CLINTON: He took everything our great country has to offer. He scooped it up with both hands and then paid nothing to pay to support us. And then he
has the nerve to call our military a disaster, to insult POWs.
MATTINGLY: Clinton's campaign raised $11.3 million in just 72 hours after the FBI director's letter to Congress, cash immediately put to use to hit
Trump with attack ads in four states that have leaned blue.
Clinton's frustration with Trump's rhetoric reaching a boiling point, as she confronted a heckler at a rally last night.
CLINTON: I am sick and tired of the negative, dark, divisive, dangerous vision and behavior of people who support Donald Trump.
ANDERSON: Well, nearly 25 million people have already cast their ballots in states that allow early voting. And we now have an idea about how some
key battlegrounds could be shaping up. Now, this is important. CNN has partnered with a catalyst, a data company that works with progressive
candidates and groups to analyze early voting information.
As you can see, on this map, Democrats turning out in greater numbers in these states shaded
blue, traditional democratic states while Republicans have cast more ballots in the red states which, notably, do include Florida.
AS Sara Murray now reports, Trump now telling some early voters that it's not too late to change their minds.
DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This is a message for any Democratic voter who have already cast their ballots for Hillary Clinton.
SARA MURRAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Donald Trump making a pitch to Hillary Clinton's early voters: It's not too late to change your mind.
TRUMP: You can change your vote to Donald Trump. We'll make America great, again. OK?
MURRAY: Taking that message to Wisconsin, one of several states where voters can legally switch their vote.
TRUMP: A lot of things have happened over the last few days.
MURRAY: Trump arguing the FBI's decision to investigate e-mails sent from one of Clinton's top aides is reason enough to reconsider Clinton.
TRUMP: She has really no one else to blame but herself.
MURRAY: Despite the FBI admitting it doesn't know if the latest batch of e- mails is even significant, Trump claims...
TRUMP: She is likely to be under investigation for many years. Probably concluding in a very large-scale criminal trial.
MURRAY: Trump also taking an apocalyptic tone on Obamacare.
TRUMP: If we don't repeal and replace Obamacare, we will destroy America health care forever.
MURRAY: Stumping with running mate Mike Pence as the two seized on premium hikes and rolled out their own health care proposal.
GOV. MIKE PENCE (R-IN), VICE-PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Obamacare is a catastrophic failure.
TRUMP: Our health plan includes health savings accounts, a nationwide insurance market where you can purchase across state lines and letting
states manage Medicaid dollars so much better.
MURRAY: In the election's final week, Trump's campaign says it's launching a $25 million ad blitz in battleground states. The campaign throwing a Hail
Mary, going after states that currently look out of reach, while Pence makes overtures to those Republicans put off by their own nominee.
PENCE: It's time for us all to say with one voice to our fellow Republicans and conservatives, it's time to come home.
ANDERSON: Well, our coverage of the U.S. presidential election continues in just a few minutes, going to get you the latest polls and a look at who
Trump supporters really are. Writer Sarah Marsh has insight for us from Austin in Texas.
The stakes really couldn't be higher.
South Africa's president under increasing pressure this hour after the release of a report on corruption allegations against violent scenes in
Pretoria with crowds calling for Jacob Zuma to go. The president accused of letting a wealthy family wield undue influence.
Well, earlier, Mr. Zuma abandoned a court bid to block a probe into those claims. CNN's David McKenzie joining us from Pretoria. And David, what
does the report say?
[11:15:41] DAIVD MCKENZIE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It's a 355- page report, Becky. And it is certainly damming in its allegations of the president, his son, key
ministers and the Scripter (ph) family that you describe amongst others.
And what it describes is allegations and evidence in some cases of deep- seated corruption and cronyism at the very top of South Africa's government system. It
accuses, amongst other things, of ministers being approached by private citizens to take up positions for cash of dodgy state enterprise dealings
implicates the entire board of Eskom, the state power utility here in South Africa.
Now, these allegations and toward the end of that report, the real key here, Becky, is that the public protector suggests that they have to bring
a commission of inquiry from an independent judge within the next 30 days. And we know from previous high court and constitutional court rulings here
in South Africa that these findings of this report are binding.
So, it really puts a great deal of pressure on President Zuma, his spokesman saying they are considering the reports and whether to take legal
action against it.
But, being on the street here in South Africa with the protesters from many different opposition
groups and from civil society and business leaders, there is that squeeze now against the president who
has suffered through scandals before -- Becky.
ANDERSON: Can he politically survive this?
MCKENZIE: It's too early to say. He still has, we believe, significant support amongst part
of the ruling ANC, but this corruption report that just released will really add fuel to the fire to those who say even within the ANC for him to
You had the the Nelson Mandela Foundation asking him to leave. One of the major unions yesterday asking for him to leave. That is joining the chorus
of opposition figures who are pushing for Zuma to leave.
You may have the case in the next week or so, a vote of no confident here in the parliament
in South Africa brought by the opposition or you could see the president resigning. But if he resigns, certainly, it could mean that these criminal
and other legal troubles that he's been could be accelerated.
So, he really is backed into a corner on this one, Becky. And the level of anger and unity
amongst ordinary South Africans that I have experienced today is certainly quite breathtaking to say the
ANDERSON: David McKenzie on the story for you. Thank you, David.
Less than a week to go, we will return to the race for the White House after this short break. CNN political analyst Jackie Kucinich joins me to
talk about how low early turnout among African-Americans in key battleground states is important.
Plus, where now and what next. Hundreds of young migrants are facing a very uncertain future
after France took down their makeshift homes. What they are facing after this.
[11:21:12] ANDERSON: The presidential election now less than a week away and CNN's poll of polls showing Hillary Clinton 47 percent nationwide,
Donald Trump holding at 42. It's an average of the results from the five most recent national telephone polls.
Meanwhile, the new ABC news/Washington Post tracking poll shows the two candidates,
the two major candidates in a dead heat.
Let's break down the numbers and cross to CNN Political analyst Jackie Kucinich who is the Washignton bureau chief for The Daily Beast.
You can argue that this election campaign is so unprecedented that nothing is normal but this last sprint around key states by both candidates
shouldn't come as a surprise. When we take a look at what this polling is telling us, just how important is this activity by these two candidates,
the sprints around these swing states in this final week?
JACKIE KUCINICH, THE DAILY BEAST: Oh, it's extremely important that these candidates are in the swing states. I mean, on election day, it does come
down to a couple of states, it always does. It's been one constant in this, as you said, very crazy race. It's why you see a lot of Trump and
his surrogates in places like they were in -- Trump was in Pnnsylvania yesterday, today he's in the critical state of Florida. He needs to win
Florida in order to win this race and Hillary Clinton surrogates are all over the country because there are so many of them.
And you have, particularly, President Obama in North Carolina, which is a state that he won his first term, lost the second time he ran, and you can
see him really trying to rally the Obama coalition, which is going to be so critical to Hillary Clinton to get them to the polls, particularly African-
And in North Carolina, it's actually really interesting, there aren't as many polling places this
year. So, that is seen as something that is depressing African-American turnout in that critical state. So, you see everybody is, you know,
working to the very last minute right now for Tuesday.
ANDERSON: You're absolutely right to point out that Obama is one of Hillary's surrogates and it does seem his final mission is pretty clear,
and that is to get Hillary Clinton elected to the White House.
He's urging African-American voters to get to the polls as you rightly pointed out. Early voting in that critical block down in contrast to last
year, which could, of course, hurt Clinton.
The president spoke to radio host Tom Joyner earlier in the day and for our viewers' purposes, let's just have a listen in.
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OBAMA: If you really care about my presidency and what we've accomplished, then you are going to go and vote. And if you don't know where to vote, go
to IWillVote.com. And if you already voted but you're mama hadn't voted, your cousin hasn't voted, your nephew hasn't voted, I need you to call them
and say that the president and Michelle personally asked you to vote.
If Donald Trump wins, here's what will happen immediately. They will immediately work with
a Republican congress to pass massive tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. They will immediately work to cut millions of people off of
Medicaid because they'll just block grant it and there are a whole bunch of states where if the governor doesn't want Medicaid and
congress isn't financing Medicaid suddenly people just don't have health care.
Right away I guarantee you they'll start cutting back on funding for things like Pell Grants and, you know, support for historically black colleges and
universities. Right away they roll back the Affordable Care Act. Right away, I guarantee you, they'll dig up
Michelle's garden. No, you think I'm joking?
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ANDERSON: Listen, it's got to be clear at this point that here's a man who is trying to defend his own legacy to a certain extent, as much as he is
trying to support his candidate here. Did you sense a whiff of desperation in that?
KUCINICH: I don't know if it's desperation, but it's been really interesting to watch. that people who vote for President Obama --
Millennials, particularly African-American voters, he hasn't been able to transfer this coalition to any other candidate through
the midterms. No one has been able to kind of summon the power of the people that support him the most. And he's been able to inspire people.
Hillary Clinton hasn't had the same resonance with these voters.
You know, he's talking himself until he's blue in the face. He's also said on the campaign trail, it
will be a personal insult if you don't go and vote. But he's doing what he can and you can see that.
I mean, it really kind of unprecedented in recent times to have an incumbent president who is popular enough to be on the campaign trail for
the person who could be his successor. So, you have to imagine he's going to be out there and pushing for her until the very last minute. And while
he is a powerful surrogate, there is, as you mention, there is only so much he can do.
ANDERSON: Six days and counting, pleasure having you on, Jackie.
KUCINICH: Thank you.
ANDERSON: Trump and Clinton campaigns both battling for a key demographic. And that is the younger generation.
Well, high schools and college students across the United States have taken part in what is a mock collection and it wasn't even close. You can find
out who they predict will be president on the website.
For that and more, political news that is CNN.com. You know that.
The latest world news headlines are just ahead for you here on CNN. I'm Becky Anderson.
Plus, the journalist who says the mainstream media has misrepresented Trump supporters. Sara Smarsh joins me from Austin, Texas, to talk about the
white working class in the States. That's next.
[11:31:41] ANDERSON: Well, we have seen them at countless rallies across the United States, enthusiastic, outspoken and demanding change. But who
really are the people holding the signs and wearing the hats and t-shirts who want Donald Trump to make America great, again.
Well, Hillary Clinton came under fire for saying half of Trump's supporters belong to a basket of deplorables saying they are, quote, "racist, sexist,
homephobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic, you name it," she said.
Our next guest argues that Trump supporters are not the caricature they're made out to be. And she says the media are to blame for perpetuating the
Journalist Sara Smarsh wrote a recent article titled "Dangerous idiots: how the liberal media elite have failed working class Americans."
She joins us now live from Austin in Texas.
Sarah, I read that article with interest. And you say "one dimensional stereotypes fester where journalism fails to tread." Can you explain.
SARAH SMARSH, JOURNALIST: Yeah, well, I think that the white working class, specifically, has really been cast as a monolith in political
discourse this year and that to do in large part to a kind of vacuum of coverage of that particular demographic in America for many decades in
journalism and even popular culture. So, that has left that group kind of vulnerable to caricature and
stereotype and we're seeing that rise up in this election cycle.
ANDERSON: What is the evidence, Sarah?
SMARSH: Well, the hard numbers tell us, actually, that the white working class is not Donald
Trump's base. So, if we could consult Gallup Poll from September of 87,000 Americans revealed that his supporters actually were not more financially
struggling than the average American and they weren't less educated than average Americans. Exit polls during the primaries revealed that Trump
voters have a median income of $72,000, which is well above that of either Clinton's or Sander's. And, actually, 44 percent of them have college
degrees, which is above the national average of 33 percent.
So, I think that we're leaving a large group out when we try to define who Trump supporters are
and may look to be white folks who are maybe doing pretty okay financially.
ANDERSON: With respect, I just want to caveat those numbers because those voters in the primaries, of course, would have been registered Republicans
and perhaps they don't -- aren't necessarily representative of the entire voting public, as far as Republicans are concerned. But you make a very
Sarah, I want to share a few lines from your article with our viewers because I was fascinated by it. You wrote, "American journalism has been
willfully obtuse about the grievances on main street for decades. Surely, a factor in digging the hole of resentment that Trump's venom now fills.
The term populism has become a pejorative among prominent liberal commentators should give us great pause."
I have heard this argument as well used around the whole debate of Brexit, the event back in June, when perhaps unexpectedly people voted to leave the
EU and there was a great sort of clamor around who those people were and much defining of them as the sort of white working class, as it were, when
not all of them were by any degree.
Just how much time have you spent with Trump supporters?
SMARSH: Well, I'm actually a native of the white working class and I don't actually know that many Trump supporters. So, I'm not really out to
explain them or what motivates them. I'm more here to say that the white working class is not pervasive among them and is not one in the same or
interchangeable with Trump's politics.
So, to your point about the media, I think that there has just been a real socioeconomic gulf between people who write stories and shoot TV stories
and the folks in the middle of the country that are being presumed to support Trump.
My home state of Kansas actually had more primary supporters for Bernie Sanders than Donald Trump back during the primaries. So, this populist
uprising across the country is often left of center, just as much or as it is right. And that somehow didn't get as much attention and I think that
might have something to do with a kind of inherent classism in an economically privileged white media.
ANDERSON: I think as much debate about how much time Donald Trump has had on air or whether he's had more time than the other candidates or not. So,
perhaps we could measure this argument out there.
What I do think is important, though, is to discuss whether you feel -- we've been talking about the rise of populism here. And perhaps this is a
phenomenon we have been seeing from across the world from the Philippines to Pennsylvania, as it were, and everything in amongst it, not least in the
UK and across Europe.
I wonder whether you feel, as others do, that this is a short-term phenomenon, a protest vote, as it were. But in the end, whether you really
believe that those who are voting for Trump or supporters of Trump really believe in his rhetoric.
SMARSH: Well, I have to say, first, I want to say quickly that I received a lot of messages from
the UK kind of echoing what you're saying. It sort of parallels with Brexit and all over the globe, actually, of kind of populist swellings that
And I don't think that that's a flash in the pan. I think that whatever is driving that -- and my sense of my home place is that there is a, you know,
a real sense that the -- of disconnect with the government that supposedly represents them and in not in every case does that result in a sort of
bitterness that drives someone toward a Trump vote, but where it does or even where it doesn't and someone might be voting for Clinton maybe not
enthusiastically, but for the good of the country somehow with qualms, all of the above I think that those folks are -- we're going to be sorting this
sort of general sense of discontent and unease about the country. We'll be sorting that out for a long time to come.
ANDERSON: Not going to be over in six days, is it.
Sarah, thank you. Sarah Smarsh on the show tonight.
France moving the last 1,500 kids and teenagers from what's left of the sprawling migrant camp known as The Jungle that it is now knocked down.
Young people began climbing on to buses in Calais early on Wednesday. They're being fanned out among dozens of temporary shelters across the the
country, but their final destination is still unknown.
Many want to go to Britain, a short trip across the English Channel from where the camp was. But London doesn't seem very keen for them to come
CNN's Melissa Bell joining us now from Paris. What does happen with these children and teenagers? Britain legally has to take some of them, right?
MELISSA BELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The United Kingdom does legally have to take some, Becky. First of all, those who have family in the UK -- and we
spoke to many of them while we were up there in Calais as The Jungle was being demolished around them who explained that they had uncles, cousins,
brothers, parents who are in the UK and that they were desperately trying to reach them.
Those should over the course of the next few days, and during that vetting process by UK officials in these new centers into which they're being moved
be sorted out.
The others who could be entitled to access the United Kingdom are those who will make it under the so-called Dobbs Amendment to the UK Immigration Act
that was passed just before the summer. Now this entitles those who are very young, under 13, girls, or otherwise vulnerable, orphans perhaps, of
getting access to the United Kingdom. Clearly all of them by definition are hoping that they will be able to make it.
The United Kingdom has been very clear it will not be taking those 1,500 kids. They were the last inhabits, Becky, of The Jungle. Today, 780 of
them were bused out, relocated to emergency shelter around France.
Bernard Cazeneuve, France's interior minister, says that by the end of the day, all of them will have been relocated.
[11:40:54] ANDERSON: All right. Many people, adults, that is, have simply gone from the camp to, what? The streets? Am I right in saying that?
BELL: Well, we've certainly seen a big change here in Paris, Becky, ever since this Calais process began and those buses are taking the migrants out
of The Jungle and relocating them to France have been making headlines.
We've seen the numbers of those camping out on Paris' streets swelling. We went to meet with some of them, Becky. And it turns out that it isn't so
much that they came from Calais, that they have come because of Calias. Have a look.
BELL: The Calais jungle is now a thing of the past, its tents torn down and its inhabitants relocated to emergency shelters in France's regions.
But as the camp in Calais has closed, others have grown like this one near a Paris metro station.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As we know, the Paris are opening the door. There are rumors in the whole Europe that the France is giving the papers so all of
them are coming to France right now.
BELL: The numbers of migrants living around Stalingrad station have swelled over the course of the last couple of weeks from several hundred to
2,500, according to the aid associations that help them. We're talking about Eritreans, Somalis, Sudanese, and Afghan nationals, most of whom have
applied for asylum here in France, they're simply waiting now for their applications to be processed and
living in the meantime in the most appalling conditions.
Sarah (ph) is just 17 years old. She arrived at the Stalingrad camp a week ago, and she says
she's had no help in claiming asylum.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's very cold. Some are drinking, they are talking together. How we can we sleep? When I sleep in the night, I cry. Always,
I can cry. How can I sleep?
BELL: Are you scared?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE; I worry myself. I don't have anybody there.
BELL: Soon, migrants arriving in parents will be taken to this camp in the north of the city. It was due to open in October, and it shouldn't be
long, say authorities. After Calais, they want migrants off all of France's streets.
Stalingrad is to be cleared by the end of the week, its tents torn down and its inhabitants relocated to emergency shelters in the greater Paris
region. The question is, how many more will be drawn to the streets of a country that now appears to be offering more than just its streets?
BELL: Now, what's been happening in France since Calais, since what was a closure of a camp but appeared to some as an opening of France's doors is a
reminder, Becky, of that extremely thorny question that European countries have been grappling with over the course of the last couple years. How do
you ensure that children, particularly migrants, more generally and asylum seekers are
given the humanitarian care that they deserve without looking to be opening doors to those who might
still be considering whether or not to set off on the long journey towards Europe, Becky.
ANDESRON: Yeah. OK. That makes a lot of sense.
All right. Thank you for that.
Well, people forced to flee their homes and not a new problem, of course. Now, the refugee known as the Afghan girl is facing possible prison time in
the country she turned to for safety. We'll be joined by the man who captured this image after this.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Preaching tech to the converted, Nana Ajoumon Preepe (ph) co-founded Asariba (Ph) in Ghana two years ago. The company links
churches with their congregation using a cloud-based platform and mobile app. The startup says its program provides churches with a better, more
efficient way of collecting data on the people filling their pews, making outreach more effective.
Churchgoes can watch live stream services, receive event notices and pay donations directly via their mobile phone. Nana himself is a trainee
pastor. He believes Asariba (ph) works because it has the same objectives as the church.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What makes it pretty unique is being focused on the fundamental goal aim of the church, that is win more souls. So, being able
to tie technology nicely with religion and finding a way of connecting the members and the leaders is what positions us a bit differently.
But beyond that in a market that is soon to be an emerging market is what makes our story unique.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So far, 700 churches and almost 50,000 churchgoers across
Ghana have signed up. But, although, the ICT sector in the country is currently seeing double-digit growth, the app's development has not been
without challenges. The technology is relatively new to Ghana.
Some church administrators and all the congregants lack basic computer and digital literacy, but with Ghana and Africa having a burgeoning youth
population, many have also embraced the new technology.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A lot of the young people coming up are so smart and so excited about technology that they easily adapt to it. So, we're finding a
lot of the youth departments and churches rapidly adopting the solutions.
UNIDENIFIED FEMALE: By 2050 researchers estimate that the number of African Christians will have doubled to more than 1.1 billion, Asariba
(ph) sees it as a market made in heaven.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The church is designed to have multiple branches across the continent. It's all inherently designed to go across the globe.
So, when you start in a church, you basically start something that scale and grow with the church.
UNIDENITIFIED FEMALE: The company is searching for $1 million of investment. It also has a presence in Nigeria and South Africa and has
plans to dramagically scale up across the continent.
UNIDENITIFIED MALE: Any time you think about church management, technology, the church mission, winning more souls using technology, the
name you want people to come to mind is Asariba (ph), because that is what we stand for. We believe we can take the entire continent.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Big ambitions for a young company with faith in its product.
[11:51:00] ANDERSON: Right. Welcome back. You're watching CNN. This is Connect the World with me Becky Anderson. It is 10 to 8:00, a few minutes
left from us at least here. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, by now, I'm sure -- well, you're familiar with them, right. Well, meet a different
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, the ones who are not running for president.
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DONALD TRUMP, ONCOLOGIST: My name is Donald Trump. I'm a medical oncologist.
HILLARY CLINTON, EVENT SPECIALIST: My name is Hillary Clinton. I am an event specialist here at Swanee (inaudible). And I am not running for
When I first meet someone, the immediate reaction would be, are you kidding me? Are you being real right now?
TRUMP: I introduce myself and they say, no, your name cannot be Donald Trump.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you for calling Trump International Hotel.
TRUMP: My name is Donald Trump. I would like to make a reservation for Saturday night, please.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One moment, sir.
CLINTON: I've actually had a few reservations at restaurants where they've made the assumption or they've, you know, thought what if it's Hillary
Clinton coming to the restaurant, and I've a had few private rooms.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello, sir?
TRUMP: Yes, ma'am.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can I get your name, again?
TRUMP: Donald Trump.
CLINTON: Facebook what let me have my name, and so I'm Hill Clinton on Facebook. I get about an email a week that people are trying to hack into
my Twitter account.
TRUMP: I have reached out to him intermittently over the years. I suggested to Mr. Trump that he should join me in shaving his head and we
can raise a lot of money for cancer research. He rejected the idea of shaving his head.
CLINTON: I do have a few things in common with the other Hillary Clinton. I would say we're both blondes, we both come super prepared to every
meeting, but can the other Hillary Clinton do this?
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ANDERSON: That could have been your Parting Shot tonight, but it isn't. A single photograph can sometimes come to define a time can't it? Capturing
a moment, a movement in history. Like the struggle for equality when black American athletes thrust their fists into the air at the Olympics, or just
the struggle for survival -- this scene captured the unimaginable suffering of Sudan's famine.
Meanwhile, this image of Che Guevara transformed him into an icon, a symbol of rebellion to many around the world.
But not everyone takes their portraits so seriously. Albert Einstein shared the fun side of genius on his 72nd birthday. Well, for your Parting
Shots, you'll almost certainly remember this image, as well. Known as The Afghan Girl, the photograph of 12-year-old girl Sharbat Gula gave a face to
the millions stuck in refugee camps in the 1980s. Well, it entered our collective memory forever when National Geographic put the image on its
But this is how Gula looked last month after she was arrested. Among her apparent crimes, staying illegally in Pakistan, the same place her portrait
Well, let's speak to the man who took the photo of her young Gula. Steve McCurry joins us live from Barcelona.
Steve, how is Sharbat holding up right now? Denied bail, still behind bars.
STEVE MCCURRY, PHOTOJOURNALIST: Well, I can't imagine what is going through her mind. This must be incredibly trauma traumatic for her. I
mean, this is a mother of three. She's in Pakistan trying to make a better life for her children. I know her husband passed away a few years ago and
she was getting treatment for him there in Pakistan.
So, I just -- my heart goes out to her and her children. I think we really need to get to the bottom, get the facts out because it's very possible
that these are allegations. I think that -- I'm hoping that the legal representation, which we have provided, can get some answers. I hope that
they can show compassion and understanding for her situation.
[11:55:39] ANDERSON: Right. You took a similar photograph of Sharbat about 20 years, I believe, after your original one, traveling to find her
back in 2002. And, of course, when originally you took a snapshot of a girl, this was a portrait of a woman. Why did you go back? What is it
about her that all those years later still took your imagination?
MCCURRY: Well, after the picture was published in 1985, we literally got thousands of letters, people wanting to know, you know, how can we help
her? How can we send her clothes or money. There were even men that wanted to marry this young girl.
So, there was this incredible outpouring of interest all the way up to the 17 years and then just after 9/11, we decided that we really had to make a
concerted effort to try to find her, find her name and see if she was still alive and how could we help her.
So, that was really the mission and it was like a complete miracle that we were able to locate her.
And the first thing we talk about was, you know, now -- what can we do to help you? What do you need? Let's find some compensation for all the uses
of that picture over the years.
So, that was -- and, you know, the ironic thing is that she was the face of Afghan refugees, the
symbol of Afghan refugees for more than 20 years and now she's become the symbol of unwanted migrants around the world.
So, this has taken a very tragic turn.
ANDERSON: Steve, it's a pleasure having you on. You tell an important story. Thank you, Steve McCurry joining us on the phone from Barcelona.
I'm Becky Anderson. Those were your Parting Shots and that was Connect the World. From the team here in Abu Dhabi and those working with us around
the world it is a very good evening. Thank you for watching.