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[16:00:23] HALA GORANI, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. A busy hour ahead. I'm Hala Gorani. We are live at CNN London. Thanks for being with us.
This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
Well, they are in a fight of their lives, only five days left to try to deliver a knockout blow. Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are hitting the
ground hard today campaigning for every last vote.
You're looking at live pictures now of both candidates. This is happening as we speak. Trump has just taken to the stage at a rally in Concord,
North Carolina. That state has become one of the most critical battlegrounds in the country.
Clinton is also in North Carolina just a few hundred kilometers away. She is rallying supporters in the town of Winterville. Both candidates are
bringing out some heavy hitters using star power to keep up the excitement in the final stretch of the campaign just as the polls are narrowing.
Clinton surrogates are spread out across key battleground states. You see Barack Obama is in Florida for instance. You see Tim Kaine in Arizona,
Bill Clinton in Nevada. Now the speeches -- she electrified speeches in Concord, North Carolina.
Let's take a listen to some of what was said in that battleground state.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: I'm not on the ballot this time, but fairness is on the ballot. Decency is on the ballot.
Justice is on the ballot. All the progress remains on the ballot. Immigration reform is on the ballot. A higher minimum wage is on the
ballot. Equal pay for equal work is on the ballot. Democracy is on the ballot. Hillary Clinton will move us forward if you give her a chance.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: That was Barack Obama. Now Donald Trump has his surrogates blanketing the map. This time, there is a new face, his wife, Melania.
She rallied supporters in Pennsylvania today giving her speech, her first, since the Republican National Convention in July. Here's Melania Trump,
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MELANIA TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP'S WIFE: We have to find a better way to talk to each other, to disagree with each other, to respect each other. We must
find better ways to honor and support the basic goodness of our children, especially in social media. It will be one of the main focuses of my work
if I'm privileged enough to become your first lady.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Melania Trump, as we mentioned, her first appearance since the convention and that controversial speech she gave in which we know portions
were plagiarized from an earlier Michelle Obama speech so this is really her first outing in a speech format since then.
Let's take you out on the campaign trail right now. Sunlen Serfaty is at a Donald Trump rally in Concord, North Carolina. We saw him live a little
Sunlen, I'm going to ask you about Melania Trump's speech in a moment, but first we're seeing the polls really tightening and it is going in favor of
Donald Trump, not in favor of Hillary Clinton. Has the mood shifted in the last few days since you've been covering the Trump campaign?
SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN CORRESPONENT: It has been really interesting, Hala. You can definitely tell that Donald Trump is certainly aware of these
battleground state polls tightening. He brings up the polls at every turn on the campaign trail including just a few minutes ago.
And you can really see the urgency of the moment, so to speak for him reflected in his closing message. What we've seen is a Donald Trump that
is trying to stay on script, trying to stay on message.
Keeping up attacks on Hillary Clinton, trying not to deviate at all in a way that might step on his own message. So I think that is certainly
reflected on the way that the Trump campaign thinks right now, how they're doing in the polls, and pushing forward five days to Election Day.
GORANI: And the Trump campaign has said repeatedly in the past when the polls were not going in their favor, don't pay attention to the polls. Now
perhaps that it is showing a tightening in the race, there certainly is a request from the campaign to take another look at them.
[16:05:12]But I do wonder, what was the strategy with Melania Trump today? Because she has been a reluctant participant, it seems, in her husband's
SERFATY: She sure has and she has taken on a role of a candidate spouse that we have not typically seen in a presidential campaign. Normally they
take on a much more prominent roll. They're out there on the campaign trail, barn storming battleground states at the stretch.
But like you said today was the first time we have seen Melania Trump have this big solo event since, of course, that speech at the Republican
National Convention over the summer. She has been a reluctant campaigner.
She had said that her priorities raising their son and certainly she seemed a little stunned by that appearance over the summer in Cleveland at the
But the campaign does feel that she can go a long way in helping soften her husband's image, humanize him a little bit more, and really talk, as we saw
today from her, a great deal about how she would approach a potential role as first lady and certainly the Trump campaign needs her right now in the
final stretch to appeal most certainly to women.
A group of supporters that Trump has really struggled with over the course of this campaign and really needs to turnout on Election Day for him.
Hala, Donald Trump just a few minutes ago from her at his rally in North Carolina, he did praise his wife, he said it takes courage to go out and do
what she did and he applauded her from the stage -- Hala.
GORANI: All right, we'll see what impact it has with a critical segment of the electorate. Some of the women who perhaps haven't been supporting the
candidate as much as Donald Trump would like. Sunlen Serfaty is following the Trump camp in North Carolina today. Thanks very much.
The race is so tight that neither candidate has much room for error. Look at this new ABC/"Washington Post" tracking poll, it shows Clinton with just
a two-point lead over Trump nationwide, well within the margin of error at 3.5 percent.
Clinton gets a little more breathing room when that survey is averaged with four others. CNN's latest poll of polls shows her four points ahead
nationwide. Let's take a closer look at those numbers, we see the race getting much tighter with just five days to go.
Indira Lakshmanan joins me now. She is a Washington columnist for the "Boston Globe." Indira, thanks for being with us. All right, let's talk a
little bit about the tightening in the polls. Is this due -- all due, to the resurfacing of that e-mail controversy with the FBI director's letters
sent to Congress a few days ago, or are there other factors here at play?
INDIRA LAKSHMANAN, WASHINGTON COLUMNIST, "BOSTON GLOBE": I would assume that it was because of the FBI Director James Comey bringing up this
potentially unrelated investigation into Hillary Clinton's aide, Huma Abedin' s computer that she shared with her husband, who is under
investigation for something completely unrelated.
But in fact when you dig into the polls, a lot of them that were taken even before that information from James Comey came out, had already been
tightening up. I think what we're seeing is largely the so-called Republicans coming home.
That people even when they're undecided, even when they're unhappy with their respective party candidates in the last several days, in the last
week, this is typical that we see races tightening up.
I just want to point out that back in 2012 at this time in the same race, Obama and Mitt Romney were in a dead heat and in the end, Obama won by four
GORANI: Well, you just read my mind, I was actually going to bring that up. Some interesting statistics brought up in a "New York Times" article
as well including that one showing Romney and Obama neck and neck, and then Obama ended up winning with a pretty sizable margin in the end.
But let's talk about some of these swing states because Florida and it's quite clear here what the Clinton campaign is doing, Barack Obama is
campaigning for her in Florida. Hillary Clinton herself moving from Florida to North Carolina today to campaign as well trying to really block
Donald Trump from Florida because he need it's to win.
LAKSHMANAN: You're absolutely right. In a way, Florida is a must win state for both of them. I mean, if Hillary Clinton can cinch up Florida,
it makes it very hard for Donald Trump at any path to victory, to 270 electoral votes.
You see the president is campaigning with young people in Jacksonville, trying to go for that young vote. I think the thing that the Clinton team
should be concerned about at this point is all of the polls we're seeing say that among likely voters, there is more enthusiasm among likely Trump
voters than there is among likely Clinton voters.
And that is the key, turnout is going to be really, really important. She does have an edge in many of the battleground states, but New Hampshire,
for example, which has gone Democrat in the last several election, has tightened up to a tie and even has Trump ahead in a couple of polls out
GORANI: And Indira, what was interesting a few days ago was some of those polls showed a very tight race.
[16:10:04]And the Hillary Clinton campaign itself tweeted one out in order to energize Hillary Clinton supporters to go out and vote essentially
saying this is not in the bag. We need to make sure you go out and vote. They need turnout, don't they?
LAKSHMANAN: You're absolutely right, Hala. It is interesting that both Trump and Clinton are using the same types of polls for different reasons.
For him to try to tell his supporters that look, we can still get this, we can still make it happen.
For her trying to tell her base don't be complacent. Don't stay home, this is critical. This could still slip out of her hands. Pennsylvania, she is
still ahead in that state. Ohio, she is behind.
What I think is interesting is just within the last week or two, people were talking about her being able to pull out Arizona, which is typically a
red state, now it looks like that is more firmly in Donald Trump's camp.
Some of those southwestern states like Nevada and Colorado even are looking a bit more complicated for Hillary Clinton than they did a week ago. So I
think her people should be worried about turnout.
GORANI: Right. Now let's talk about also the president and the first lady, Michelle Obama, both also campaigning for Hillary Clinton. Now
President Obama has a high popularity rating if you compare his popularity rating at the same time to other presidents, and Michelle Obama is
extremely popular. Are you surprised that their impact has not been greater on Hillary Clinton's poll numbers?
LAKSHMANAN: Not really because Hillary Clinton predates both of them in the consciousness of Americans that have been alive since the early 1990s.
I mean, she has an entire narrative around her. Love her or hate her, people's opinions about her are pretty baked in.
That's why I think these latest disclosures by the FBI, which are getting incredibly criticized by lawyers both sides of the aisle, who say that it
might have been a violation of the Hatch Act for Comey to do this, you know, leaning on the election so close to it.
I think that is not really what comes out into the general American public in the heartland. We know about it in Washington, but I think most people
have their opinions of these two candidates fairly well baked in. So it is at this point a matter of enthusiasm and who shows up to vote.
GORANI: All right, Indira Lakshmanan, a columnist for the "Boston Globe." Thanks very much for joining us. We really appreciate your time, thank
Now speaking of politics and big surprising events, Britain's divorce from the European Union we know was never going to be easy, but it just got more
Theresa May's plan has been thrown into disarray after the country's high court rules she must get parliamentary approval before launching the exit
process. They have to consult parliament. As Diana Magnay reports the government says it will appeal.
DIANA MAGNAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Brexit means Brexit has always been Prime Minister Theresa May's message. It's never been a
question of if but when and how. The high court ruling that parliament must be consulted before May officially starts the process certainly goes
against her government's plan.
It may also test her promise that Article 50 of the E.U.'s Lisbon Treaty will be triggered by the end of March, effectively the first step towards
Brexit. The legal challenge came from an unlikely source, an investment manager and a hairdresser led a crowd funded campaign against the might of
the British government.
GINA MILLER, CLAIMANT AND INVESTMENT MANAGER: It's not about me or my team, it's about our United Kingdom and all of our futures. It's not about
how anyone voted. Every one of us voted for the best country and the best future. This case was about process, not politics.
MAGNAY: The People's Challenge Group has always insisted that it wasn't arguing against Brexit.
DAVID GREENE, SOLICITOR FOR CLAIMANT: I've never challenged the results of the referendum. In fact, I voted for the Brexit in the referendum for the
sole reason that I wanted power to be returned from Europe to the British parliament. But I did not think it was right for the government just to
bypass parliament and try to take away my legal rights without consulting parliament first.
MAGNAY: The government says it plans to appeal the high court ruling and will likely meet the People's Challenge again next month in the Supreme
Court. If it doesn't overturn the judgment, parliament will have to be consulted before triggering Article 50. That process will involve several
steps of debate and voting and the government will hope that ultimately a majority of MPs and lords respect the results of June's public vote.
LIAM FOX, BRITISH SECRETARY OF STATE FOR INTERNATIONAL TRADE: The government is disappointed by the court's judgment. The country voted to
leave the European Union in a referendum approved by the parliament. The government is determined to respect the result of the referendum. This
judgment raises important and complex matters of law and it is right that we consider it carefully before deciding how to proceed.
MAGNAY (on camera): Theresa May now could now face the daunting challenge of battling Brussels over trade while it's also battling parliamentarians
back home. Now some conservative MPs that were new called for an early election. It is something that Theresa May has always resisted. If she
can't get anything through the House without it, she may think again. Diana Magnay, CNN, London.
GORANI: So how do Brexiteers feel about all of this especially Brexiteers very close to the Prime Minister, Theresa May? John Whittingdale, is one
of those people. He is a senior conservative MP and a supporter of Britain leaving the E.U. I asked him how Theresa May can keep to her Brexit time
table after today's ruling.
JOHN WHITTINGDALE, CONSERVATIVE MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT: Of course, the legal process will go on, but I hope that she will trigger Article 50. In fact,
I have called on the government to trigger it earlier than March. I think we need to get on with it.
There is uncertainty about exactly what arrangements will exist once Britain leaves the European Union and we do need to settle that
uncertainty. So I hope that we will be able to move forward as quickly as possible.
GORANI: But if the supreme court upholds this ruling, saying the prime minister cannot alone trigger Article 50 without consulting parliament,
there's no way the timetable can be kept and it throws everything into doubt once again, doesn't it?
WHITTINGDALE: I hope it doesn't. The British people were very clear in the outcome of the referendum. They voted by a clear majority that Britain
should leave the European Union. The government accepts that. The opposition accepts that.
The question now is reaching a new arrangement. That is something which will take time, but whether or not Britain should stay in the European
Union is settled. And nothing that the courts or the parliament have said will change that.
GORANI: And what about the idea that now Theresa May, the prime minister, could be essentially have forced into calling an early general election.
Would you be opposed to that or in favor of it?
WHITTINGDALE: I don't see any reason why there needs to be an early general election. This is an issue which has already been put to the
people. They have voted in the biggest vote that has ever taken place in the history of Britain. They delivered a very clear message. So we don't
need a general election on this. The people have spoken. The government's job is now to deliver what the people have voted for.
GORANI: But what they voted for was Brexit. They didn't vote on a hard or a soft Brexit, this potentially needs to be discussed openly and why would
it be a bad thing for the prime minister to get a renewed mandate for what she will propose or her negotiating position during the Brexit discussion?
WHITTINGDALE: Well, because it is now for the government to enter negotiations. Those negotiations are going to take quite a long time. At
the end of them and it may take up to two years, we will have a new agreement, I hope, with the European Union and of course, parliament will
have plenty of opportunities to debate that, to vote on it eventually.
This is going to preoccupy parliament probably on a weekly basis for two years to come. But the basic question, should Britain be in or out of the
European Union is no longer applicable because the people have decided that.
GORANI: Right. I mean, there are a very few people who argue that that should be overturned entirely. It is just a question of how you exit, but
there are some, (inaudible), for instance, an editorialist in "The Guardian" who wrote today in the aftermath of that high court ruling, "A
prime minister's absolutely power to do what they like when they like regardless of law and treaties was struck down. Theresa May cannot tear up
our right to be E.U. citizens without the authority of parliament." Does she have not a point?
WHITTINGDALE: She is right that parliament, of course, will be involved in this. I just become a member of the select committee that will be every
week cross-examining ministers, taking evidence, discussing how we should move forward.
Parliament will be a crucial part in this, but people like (inaudible) actually just don't want to accept the results of the referendum. They're
trying to find ways around it. The question of whether or not we should be in the E.U. has been settled.
The kind of arrangement we have for the future will be something we negotiate. It will take a long time, and parliament will have a critical
part in that.
GORANI: Of course, the Brexiteers won, there is no doubt about that, but more than 48 percent of Britains wanted to stay, what do you say to them,
how do you reach out to them? That is almost half of the population of your country?
WHITTINGDALE: You're about to have an election in your country, which is going to be very close and I have no doubt whichever side loses is going to
be very unhappy. But we live in a democracy, this was the biggest thing that ever took place in Britain and it did produce a clear result.
Now we have to persuade the people who wanted to stay in the European Union, but actually the new arrangement we are going to reach is going to
be beneficial for the British people, that we have a prosperous future working with our colleagues and friends in the European, but also forging
new relationships across the world.
[16:20:04]I believe very strongly that there is a very good future for Britain in that news state and we have to get that message across.
GORANI: There you have the view of an MP, who supported Brexit and who certainly hopes that the Supreme Court will not uphold the ruling of the
high court that essentially would compel the government to consult parliament before triggering the Brexit process.
Coming up on THE WORLD RIGHT NOW, after two years of ISIS control, Iraqi forces finally enter Mosul's city limits. We speak to an Iraqi brigadier
general about what his forces will come up against as they push toward the city center.
And it is likely to be a tough state by state battle, but look at the map, adding the Electoral College votes from the battleground. All that and
much more when we return. Stay with CNN.
GORANI: Now to one of the most significant breakthroughs yet in the battle for Mosul. For the first time in two and a half years, Iraqi forces are
inside the ISIS-held city, right inside the perimeter.
They pushed into the (inaudible) neighborhood in the east, you see it on the map there. This advance is expected to set off the fiercest fighting
yet in the more than two-week offensive.
In the meantime, witnesses report heavy air strikes and shelling in Northern Mosul. U.S. forces say war planes hit an ISIS convoy and IED
factory and other targets.
These intense clashes have hundreds of civilians pouring out of the city. They've been waiving white flags and risking ISIS gunfire and bombs trying
to escape. The elderly and children as well just trying to make it out, trying to make it to safety.
Brigadier General Tahsin Ibrahim is the spokesman for Iraq's Defense Ministry. He joins me now on the line from about 60 kilometers away from
Brigadier General, thanks for being with us. First, let me ask you, how significant is it the fact that Iraqi forces have entered the perimeter?
They're at the very eastern edge of Mosul. Tell us about the significance of this.
BRIGADIER GENERAL TAHSIN IBRAHIM, IRAQ DEFENSE MINISTRY (via telephone): Thank you very much for you and all of the people watching. Right now
we're at (inaudible), an air base south of Mosul, 60 kilometer and we're in south exit of Mosul.
Today is a very important day. We have two exits. They have more victory about that. Division 9, it's a tank division, they right now is going to a
neighborhood -- it is the first neighborhood from east (inaudible) exit.
[16:25:01]Also south exit, there is an operation today, a big group in the (inaudible) village. This village is very important village. It is on the
mountain, and we can control all the villages around us and also we have control for Muhammad (inaudible), a city before Mosul center.
GORANI: May I ask you, Brigadier General, just how much resistance did Division 9 encounter when they entered from the east into (inaudible)
IBRAHIM: The (inaudible) neighborhood, the first neighborhood before the center of Mosul. They were in touch with the Division 9, and I think also
on the other side from the north, they were in touch with a neighborhood far away, about 500 meter. So we have three exits. Those three exits
makes (inaudible) above the center of Mosul.
From the north, (inaudible), from the east with Division 9, from -- sorry, from the east Division 9, from the south, (inaudible) operation groups.
GORANI: But how much resistance from Daesh did they get in the east and into (inaudible)? How much fighting did they get, the Iraqi forces?
IBRAHIM: The Iraqi forces today they killed a lot of ISIS and also the commission forces, they have up -- there is more air attack today. Today
it is very hard especially for the south exit. The division -- they have operations through today, they're fighting hard against ISIS.
And the coalition forces we have more than 35 air strikes against ISIS. They are coming against ISIS. So today we killed more of them. This, by
the way, this village, the last division, the last defense before Mosul center --
GORANI: When Mosul center -- when do you see Mosul center as a possibility? Is it hours, days, weeks?
IBRAHIM: No, it depends about our planning. You know we have time for that, and that is about the division. You know we should take care about
the division. We have more than 2 million people who live inside the cities because we take care about those civilians. We change our rules of
engagement to take care of those civilians.
Those civilians right now are prisoners under ISIS. The new strategy for ISIS, they use those civilians in front --
GORANI: They are like human shields, yes.
IBRAHIM: They took all civilians for each of villages, grabbed them, and used them defense.
GORANI: It is certainly something that will change the calculus for you. Brigadier General Tahsin Ibrahim, a spokesperson for the Iraqi Defense
Ministry, speaking to us a few kilometers from Mosul about significant day today.
The first time Iraqi forces enter Mosul from the east there entering into the perimeter. The first time in two and a half years. Thank you,
Brigadier General, for that.
A lot more to come, Donald Trump's potential road to the White House, a state by state look at how the Electoral College map is shaping up.
[16:30:22] GORANI: Well, now there are just five days to go until the presidential election in the United States. The race is getting a whole
lot tighter as the clock ticks down. CNN's latest poll of polls shows Hillary Clinton with just a four-point lead over Trump, 46 to 42 percent.
Also among our top stories, Britain's exit from the European Union just got a whole lot messier. Britain's high court has ruled that the prime
minister must get parliament's approval before launching the process to leave.
The government says it will appeal to the Supreme Court. The case was brought by an investment banker, who says she was physically ill on the
night Britain voted to leave.
Among our top stories as well, for the first time in more than two years, Iraqi forces are inside Mosul going head to head with ISIS. They pushed in
from the east as coalition forces bombed ISIS in the north. Hundreds of civilians have been trying to flee the city as well.
The U.N. refugee agency says almost 240 migrants are missing after a pair of boat capsized Wednesday off of Libya. The number of survivors were
found and some were pulled from the water, but bodies were also found. They are among 4,000 migrants believed to have drowned while trying to
cross into Europe this year alone.
Let's get back to the U.S. presidential election. Surrogates for both candidates are crisscrossing the battleground states and they are high
Donald Trump's wife, Melania, made an appearance today after staying on the sidelines for much of the campaign. In fact, she hasn't given a speech
since the convention this summer. She appeared in Pennsylvania, listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MELANIA TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP'S WIFE: This is not an ordinary campaign. It is a movement, a movement in which people feel included, inspired, and
involved. I have seen it firsthand.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Melanie Trump. However, Trump, Clinton, and their surrogates performed on the campaign trail. There's only one thing that really
matters and that is the magic number, 270 electoral votes needed to win the election.
CNN's John King breaks down polling data and states that are key to winning the White House.
JOHN KING, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Ohio, one of the biggest battleground states, always closely contested. This one very good news for
Donald Trump, Ohio which has been so critical in our past recent presidential elections, moving Donald's Trump's way, a five-point lead for
Donald Trump in a state again that he must win if he is going to has a shot for the presidency.
And one more, a state where President Obama campaigned today, Obama won this in 2008, lost it in 2012, the hotly contested state of North Carolina,
a very small Clinton lead, 47 percent to 44 percent.
So that's a lot of polling to digest, seven battleground states. Let's go to the map that matters most and run it through the process. This is where
we have the race today, if Hillary Clinton protects the blue on this map, she is the next president of the United States.
But let's walk through what we just went through. Donald Trump leading in Nevada and Arizona. We don't have any new Utah poll, but it's a pretty
safe assumption if he is gaining ground among Republicans in the west, let's give him Utah as well.
Donald Trump starting to move up. Again, we just showed Donald Trump leading in Ohio. That moves him into a more competitive position, but
still behind Hillary Clinton.
If she can stop Donald Trump there, win either Florida or North Carolina, and hold the blues, she'll be the next president of the United States, but
it is not unreasonable looking at those close races.
[16:35:08]Even some Democrats can see Trump could well win Florida. Trump could well win North Carolina. Look at what that would do. If Donald
Trump continues his momentum in those states, that would get him to 272 or 264 meaning to win Hillary Clinton must defend Pennsylvania, Michigan,
Wisconsin, must keep Donald Trump from turning anything blue on this map red.
GORANI: Thank you, John King. Doing some delegate math there for us now. Let's get down to it with my guest in Washington, CNN political
commentator, Doug Heye. He is a Republican strategist. You're a Republican, but you still not supporting Donald Trump?
DOUG HEYE, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I actually voted on Monday, I voted for Paul Ryan.
GORANI: OK, there you go. He's not on the ballot, which means you wrote his name in.
HEYE: Exactly, no good options I think for Republicans out there.
GORANI: All right, so let me ask you a little bit about these polls tightening, what do you think is going on?
HEYE: Donald Trump certainly has gotten a lot of momentum in the past six days. The announcement that we heard or the leak that we heard coming from
the FBI James Comey really put the brakes on Hillary Clinton where the election was almost over at that point.
She has gotten her momentum really stalled as John King was emphasizing there. I'm from the state of North Carolina, worked three Senate races
there. It is close, all things being equal.
I think Hillary Clinton should win, but she's having some under performance on the early voting from African-Americans, specifically.
While the Republicans are doing a much better job in early voting. Republicans are feeling a lot of confidence right now even though they're
still down in the polls there.
GORANI: What impact do you think the Melania speech will have?
HEYE: Well, I don't think it has any direct impact yet. If you're the Trump campaign, you need more and more of those. One of the things that
the Clinton campaign has an advantage on is they have so many top shelf surrogates that can be out there at any time, both Obamas, both Clinton,
Joe Biden, Tim Kaine, obviously, Bernie Sanders.
So they can cover a lot of ground on a given day. Donald Trump hasn't really utilized that yet. I think it is important for him not just have
Melania out there, but also Ivanka and --
GORANI: She was out today in New Hampshire.
HEYE: Exactly, and to have them do more and more every day. They have to cover the entire field. If they don't, they risk falling behind.
GORANI: But, of course, it is all down to swing states and battleground states, and if you look at Ohio, it looks like that is going in the Trump
column. The big prize is going to be Florida, and here we have battleground state, Florida, certainly still in play, a very tight race if
you look at some of the latest numbers. What would it take for Hillary Clinton to be able to secure Florida at this stage do you think?
HEYE: You know, if you're Hillary Clinton, you have to maximize Latino turnout in Florida. It's been up, which is good news for Hillary Clinton,
but African-American turnout, like in North Carolina in the early voting has been down.
It's a real problem for Clinton's campaign that they've not been able to have those enthusiasm numbers for African-American voters where they were
in 2008 and 2012.
That's why they have to press hard and continue to maximize all minority votes that really should be against Donald Trump given what we have seen
from his rhetoric so far.
GORANI: And I was going to say it's just minority voters, it's just general enthusiasm, isn't it? I mean, some very interesting numbers were
published in the "New York Times" today that showed that for Trump supporters, 52 percent say they're enthusiastic about voting for their
candidate. But only 47 percent say they're enthusiastic about voting for Hillary Clinton. Why is there a gap there do you think?
HEYE: Well, I think again, it goes back to what we saw last Friday on the leaked news about investigations into Hillary Clinton. She had the
momentum before then. This put an absolutely --
GORANI: But it was already narrowing. It was already narrowing it, yes.
HEYE: I think part of what you saw is a lot of Republicans coming home, so to speak, to the Trump campaign where those Democrats had already done that
with Hillary Clinton. Democrats were more united a week ago than Republicans were. That has been tightening a little bit, but the Comey
news has put absolute break on any momentum that Hillary Clinton and her campaign has.
GORANI: All right, Doug Heye, thanks very much, a Republican strategist and commentator. Thanks for being with us. Always a pleasure.
With just days to go before the election, every undecided vote matters. So the Trump campaign has invested millions in a small company that claims it
can get inside the minds of American voters. Isa Soares has that story.
ISA SOARES, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Meet Donald Trump's mind readers quietly crunching away 5,000 pieces of data about every American
adult. They're trying to get to know you better than you know yourself. They are psychological profilers and their aim, to persuade you to vote for
Donald Trump with political ads that match your personality.
Alexander Nix is the CEO behind the elite brains at Cambridge Analytica.
[16:40:04]ALEXANDER NIX, CEO, CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA: I think today is extremely robust and proven to be so time and again.
SOARES: So confident, in fact, that he is writing down the name of the next U.S. president. Their big data goes beyond your voter profile or even
your magazine subscription. This is micro targeting with psychological profiling.
And this is how it works, using a survey placed on social media, they ask users to take a personality test. The answers group people under
personality types. They then combine it with your voting history, what you buy, where you shop, and even what you watch on TV.
With that they say they can predict the personality of every single adult in the United States and it doesn't end there.
NIX: We can match them to cookies, to serve people adverts, through social media or digitally or we can match these data to television setup queuing
data. So that we can understand where the audience is that we're interested in, what programs they're watching, and we can then serve them
messages during those shows.
SOARES: A hyper targeted message that they say helped Ted Cruz build support in the Republican primaries. These two advert show how the same
messages, tweets by Cambridge Analytica to target two very different personalities, one a relaxed leader, the other a traditionalist.
SASHA ISSENBERG, AUTHOR, "THE VICTORY LAB": All of this data in micro targeting doesn't turn a bad candidate into a good candidate, or turn
voters who are democrats into Republicans, but if you will spend a billion dollars, you want to be really ruthless about making sure that you're
focusing on the right people.
SOARES (on camera): And that's why this little known company has become such a powerful tool in politics. They had previously worked for the
Brexit, the leave campaign right here in the U.K. Now Donald Trump is paying them $5 million in September alone in the hopes their profiling will
take him all of the way to the White House. Isa Soares, CNN, London.
GORANI: This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. A backlash against the status quo and anger over immigration and globalization. Is America facing its own
Brexit moment? We speak to an expert about this parallel between the two votes.
GORANI: We have been staying across two major global stories this hour both with common strand. The first is the American election with the
latest polling suggesting it is likely to go down to the wire, Donald Trump riding there on a wave of frustration over globalization, immigration, and
the political elite seemingly out of touch with working class voters.
Does that sound familiar at all? Those feelings shared by 52 percent of British voters when they backed Brexit in June.
[16:45:05]Today the U.K.'s path out of the E.U. hit a roadblock, though. The high court in this country ruled that parliament must have a say in the
matter. Each story tells of a stark divide between those who have benefited from globalization, from social and economic change, and those
who have been left behind.
One man who's written extensively about that topic is Vernon Bogdaner. He is a research professor at the Institute for Contemporary British History
at King's College London and he joins me now live.
Were you surprised today that high court said to the government you can't do this alone, you can't trigger Article 50 on your own, you must consult
VERNON BOGDANER, RESEARCH PROFESSOR, KING'S COLLEGE LONDON: Leaving the European Union does affect people's rights and there are arguments that the
government should not be able to alter people's rights without the consent of parliament.
Now we shouldn't get too excited about this because the government is going to appeal. It will go to the Supreme Court in December for a final
decision, but even so, Article 50 is much less exciting than it may sound.
It doesn't deal with Britain's future relationship with the European Union. It deals only with the withdrawal agreement. That is a thing that have to
be settled when Britain leaves.
The rights of British citizens in the European Union. The rights of European Union citizens in Britain, technical matters, very complicated,
but not politically controversial.
GORANI: But they have a very tangible concrete impact on the lives of ordinary people in the U.K. also E.U. citizens inside this --
BOGDANER: Absolutely, that is one reason why perhaps it should not be delayed too long because, as you know, Article 50 has a time limit. Once
it's triggered then two years afterwards, unless, a unanimous agreement from the E.U., we are out of the European Union.
So they could say after two years, the other 27 member states, simply take it or leave it. As I said a moment ago, that doesn't affect the question
of our future relationship with E.U. whether we have a so-called hard Brexit, a complete break or a soft Brexit with some sort of trade --
GORANI: But this ruling must have an impact if parliament, if the Supreme Court upholds this ruling and then this government, the prime minister,
Theresa May, is compelled to consult parliament before triggering Article 50 or parliament itself would be the entity that would trigger Article 50.
What difference would it make?
BOGDANER: Well, suppose parliament tries to delay it, she has a very powerful weapon in her armory. She could call a general election and it's
likely within the general election, the next parliament would be much more Brexit oriented than the current one.
GORANI: But then there is your problem solved. You have the mandate and the people have spoken twice, there is no going back.
BOGDANER: Absolutely. The difficulty about this case, you see it's the first time in British history I think when parliament has to do something
it doesn't want to do. We talk a lot about the sovereignty of parliament, but about three quarters of MPs want to stay in the European Union. But
people have given them instruction they can't stay in the European Union. That I think is the basic problem.
GORANI: They can't go against the wishes of the majority of their constituents.
BOGDANER: No. In a democracy, the people are sovereign.
GORANI: OK, what are the parallels with Trump do you think here?
BOGDANER: Well, the parallel, as you mentioned a few moments ago that there are people who feel victims in globalization. They feel the system
is elite, the better off, the bankers, the lawyers and so on. It doesn't work very well for them --
GORANI: Do they have a point?
BOGDANER: Well, it is true that their standard of living has not gone up by very much, if at all, since the credit crunch of 2008. The main
division is an educational one. On the whole, the more educational qualifications you have, the more likely you are to sympathize with the
And that's because it is now not very easy to get satisfying jobs without education qualifications. You could 50 or 60 years ago. You could
guarantee a lifetime of jobs even if you didn't have many educational qualifications. You can't now.
GORANI: Yes, it's a very different environment in that sense. The question is, would voting for Trump get you back your blue collar job in
America, would voting for Brexit get you back your factory job in the U.K.?
BOGDANER: Well, the difficulty about Brexit, is that probably the only way we can survive is by a policy of fairly ruthless free trade and what many
would call fatterism. The fourth term of Margaret Thatcher, the great prime minister of the 1980s.
And of course, the people who suffer the most from that are the people who can't compete very well, which is precisely the left behind who voted for
Brexit and the same may be true, as you suggest, of Trump. But the people who are voting for Trump may actually not get what they want.
GORANI: Are you saying that people may have voted against their best self interest in Brexit?
BOGDANER: Well, people don't only vote on grounds of economic self- interest. There was a strong national feeling of people want to be independent. They don't want to be ruled by Europe. After all (inaudible)
become independent like India or Nigeria, it will be no good you're telling them, you'll be economically worse off. They'll say that doesn't matter.
What matter is --
[16:50:03]GORANI: But you're comparing colonial rule with a membership in the E.U. here, which is a little extreme.
BOGDANER: Well, there is a comparison in the sense that what membership of the European meant was that there was a legal order superior to that of
parliament. European law was superior to British law, and that was clearest, for example, in the case of immigration.
Now many people in Britain would have like to see E.U. immigration limited, but under the European Union, we couldn't do that. That is a clear
limitation of the sovereignty of parliament. So in that sense alone perhaps, there is a parallel with a colonial situation. At least many
British people felt that.
GORANI: Professor Vernon Bogdaner, thanks very much for joining us. We really appreciate your analysis. This discussion was fascinating. We hope
to have you on again. Check out our Facebook page, facebook.com/halagoranicnn. We'll be right back. Stay with CNN.
GORANI: Well, I didn't know this but apparently the average American woman uses 12 different products on her face and body every day containing dozens
of ingredients and some of them may be harmful. In today's "Going Green," we meet a celebrity makeup ha artist, who is a devoted follower of the
green beauty trend.
KATIE DENIM, CELEBRITY MAKEUP ARTIST: My name Katie Denim (ph) and I'm a celebrity makeup artist and green beauty expert. I believe what you put on
your body is as important as what you put in your body.
Green beauty is the term that's been applied to the world of nontoxic beauty products. Whether it's skin care or makeup, it's formulated free of
what we know to be harmful chemicals. For me, it's akin to the way that I like to eat.
I want to know where my food is coming from. When I go to the farmers market, I talk to the farmers, I get to know them. It's the same thing for
skin care. If you don't put it in your mouth, why are you going to slather your skin with it?
Looking at the ingredients, I can remember really clearly there is something all makeup artists have called a flash palette with 12 colors.
And when you look at the back, this pack says they are not to be used around the eyes, or the mouth, and I thought that's what this is for.
I felt why would I be OK being around that every single day, and putting it on my clients. I do have a lot of clients who have been brave enough to
let me use nontoxic products on them and have gotten amazing accolades from all of the news outlets and all the magazines, who have done write-ups on
their gorgeous red carpet looks.
So, you know, clients like Connie Britain (ph), she's been really dedicated to a nontoxic lifestyle, beautiful red head. In particular, we've really
been able to capture that, you know, gorgeous glowing that she is still well known for using nontoxic products.
Thank you all so much for coming. I'm really excited. We're going to have a fun night and I'm going teach you some of my favorite fall beauty tips
I generally want to encourage people to look at the largest surface area on their body and start there.
[16:55:01]So whether that's your body lotion, your shampoo and conditioner because something that you're actively working into your scalp every day
and then runs down your body and into our water ways. Those are things that you want to really be more conscious of.
One of the hardest thing for consumers at large is determining what organic or natural means on a package. There is no legislation, no definition
behind any of these words.
Knowing the owners and creators of the best all natural skin care line just been really important to me because Janette knows where each of these are
coming from. She just shared with me that it's a friend's farm where she gets the lavender. That's the kind of authenticity that I want to have in
what I'm going to put on my skin every day.
GORANI: Now to sports, specifically baseball. Who doesn't love a comeback? Especially one that has been more than 100 years in the making.
You know what I'm talking about, the Chicago Cubs on Wednesday won baseball's World Series title for the first time in more than a century.
GORANI: You need to jump for joy when something happens every 100 years. They defeated the Cleveland Indians in the deciding seventh game. The last
time they claimed the title was 1908. Their fans back in Chicago flying into a frenzy outside Wrigley Field, their field of dreams.
Look at this grandfather, he's put a beer in his fridge 32 years ago and saved it until the Cubs win the World Series. He said he would not crack
it open until they won. Then there is this video of one Cubs supporter that is now going viral.
GORANI: That is one huge reaction in front of one small TV. The fan says the 65-inch display broke last week and this was his replacement. There
you have it.
This has been THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Thanks for watching. I'm Hala Gorani. I will see you at the same time and same place tomorrow. "QUEST MEANS
BUSINESS" is next.