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[05:00:19] CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: Secret service rushed Trump off the stage.

DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Nobody said it was going to be easy for us. We will never be stopped.

PAUL: Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump make their closing arguments to the nation, the race has tightened even more.

HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We are all working our hearts out in the final sprint to this election and we need your help.

TRUMP: We need you all to go and vote on Tuesday and we are going to win back the White House.

CLINTON: Tonight, I want to hear you roar. Are you ready?


PAUL: Well, good morning to you on a chilly Sunday. We are live with you from Washington, D.C. I'm Christi Paul.

VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Victor Blackwell. Welcome to New Day, it's so good to be with you this Sunday.

Two days now until Election Day. Soon we're going to switch that counter over to hours instead of days. We're now in the final frenzy of a campaigning across the country.

Today, Donald Trump is making a big plate in the Blues States. Hillary Clinton is hoping to draw on more star power for boost in the battle ground.

PAUL: Let's talk about the latest CNN Poll of polls showing the race drawing even closer here in this home stretch. Hillary Clinton leading Donald Trump 46 percent to just 43 percent nationally. Here's a look at what is on top today, the data sets. We went between Hillary Clinton is in Buckeye State in Cleveland specifically. And guess who is going to be with her. One Mr. King himself, Lebron James and later she's heading to New Hampshire for a concert event with James Taylor. BLACKWELL: Yeah. And Trump will be traveling a course to a five states holding five rallies across the country in Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and New Hampshire before ending the day in Michigan. We're getting a list of the states for these candidates and the surrogates will be today.

PAUL: But everybody is talking about happened at a campaign rally for Donald Trump in Reno, Nevada last night though.

BLACKWELL: During his speech last night secret service agents rushed Trump to safety after someone shotted gun near the front of the stage. Now, you see here, the agents there quickly took a man there on the floor into custody, but they found no weapon. CNN Correspondent Kyung Lah has details.


KYUNG LAH, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Victor, Christi, Donald Trump swinging to the battleground state of Nevada had his stump speech interrupted by someone in the crowd.

A secret service rushed Trump off the stage. Reno police and SWAT teams descended. They took the man into custody. Here's why they had such a response and why there was such panic in this crowd.

SIMON COHEN, WITNESS: We're all very interested in what Mister Trump had to say. As a guy in a red shirt just brushed slight next to me screaming there's a guy with a gun. I guess he saw it as the guy had a sign when Mr. Trump's face covered. As they were trying to get his sign down, there was another gentleman standing by me with an orange shirt, who jumped the guy first and there and what's upright afterwards the Secret Service came down and then police show up right then (ph).

LAH: You didn't see a gun?

COHEN: I did not.

LAH: So you didn't see any weapon?

COHEN: I was -- by that point, by the time I got in and shot my video the guy was already on the floor with the Secret Service.

MILTON ZERMAN, WITNESS: So yeah, I was watching the, you know, Trump speak and I heard someone scream, "This guy has a gun". So I looked toward, you know the guy he was talking about, who was guy. He didn't look like he had a gun or at least I didn't see a gun. But people were screaming that he did have a gun and immediately after that Trump was taken off stage.

Everyone starts dispersing. I hear people saying, you know, let's get out of here. It's not going to be good. But I just took that opportunity to get closer to the front, because it seemed like the armed officers were had it under control.

LAH: A Law Enforcement official tells CNN that no weapon was found. Trump returned to the stage. He continued and finished his speech taking the time to thank Secret Service. Victor, Christi?

PAUL: Kyung, we appreciate it. Thank you so much. No charges by the way were filed against the man who was contained at the rally. We know his name is Austyn Crites. He claims, he did not yell gun but says others in the crowd reacted negatively for his sign.

AUSTYN CRITES, DETAINED AT TRUMP RALLY: I just came with a sign. I literally just had one sign that said "Republicans against Trump".

[05:05:03] And when I pulled out the sign, people around me were trying to grab the sign. Somebody yelled something about a gun.


CRITES: And so that's when things really got out of hand. I mean people were just you know kicking me, you know, grabbing my arms, twisting on finely, and I'm thankful for the law enforcement who was able quickly come because had they not been there. It's possible that these people could have, you know, strangled me and killed me right on the spot.


PAUL: Donald Trump released a statement after making his final campaign stop yesterday saying, "I would like to thank the United States Secret Service and the Law Enforcement Resources in Reno and State of Nevada for their fast and professional response. I also want to thanks the many thousands of people present for their unwavering and unbelievable support. Nothing will stop us -- we will make America great again".

BLACKWELL: Let's talk about this with CNN Politics Reporter Eugene Scott, CNN Political Commentator and Clinton Supporter, Hilary Rosen, and Frank Buckley a Foundation Professor at George Mason University School of Law and Trump Supporter. He's also the author of the new book "The Way Back: Restoring the Promise of America". Good morning to all.


BLACKWELL: And, Frank, I want to start with you. And first, what we saw from Donald Trump Jr. He retweeted a claim that his father just survived an assassination attempt. And again there was no weapon found here. He deleted it but not before it was retweeted thousands of times.

And then there was this while introducing Trump at a rally Denver, late on Saturday. A Reverent Andre Mahanna blamed the media for the attack. Let's watch.


ANDRE MAHANNAYOU, TRUMP RALLY OPENING SPEAKER: You attacked him every time, thinking he raises a speech of hate. Tonight, I think the hate, lot of media raised against him caused an attempt of murder against him in Nevada.


BLACKWELL: You know, Donald Trump was praised for the way that he handled this after the threat was deemed not to be a threat. And he came out and spoke and talked about the Secret Service, that the movement cannot be stopped but there are these distractions. What do you make of how this was handled at the next rally and by Donald Jr.?

BUCKLEY: Well, I think it was handled very well. I mean, firstly, there wasn't a story here, right? There was no gun. I don't want to say people overreacted. They reacted properly. But we found out there was nothing there. And as for how a son would react to what he thought was a threat with his father, that's completely natural. There's nothing wrong with that.

But behind that there's a concern amongst Trump's supporters that there is a kind of war of violence against them if they voice support for Trump. So we've seen videos of people being beating up and so on. It's a very passion election. And I don't think it makes sense to beat up on the press.

But nevertheless, you know, when the President suggests that this guy likes the KKK. What are you supposed to do?

BLACKWELL: We've seen the Trump supporters beat up on others at these rallies. You've seen the video, I'm sure.

HILARY ROSEN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Multiple times. And you know I think that's probably right that his son was concerned. But even after the Trump campaign was informed there was no gun. It was not an assassination attempt. His staff and his son kept playing it up because they think this narrative helps them. That there's some, you know giant violent movement out to stop them. And they need the, you know with their support.

Let's contrast that with what happened the other day when the President and his speech was confronted with a Trump supporter. He went out and protected that supporter. He said, no, no, no, he gets to have a difference of opinion with me. Folks let him be. And you know it's just staggering that what happens at the Trump rally is -- he a simple sign, the guy gets thrown on the ground, beaten and kicked.

Now, grant that Secret Service did what they have to do if somebody else gun ...

PAUL: Sure.

ROSEN: ... they have to protect someone. But the crowd's response is so different and Donald Trump's response is so different than what we saw from the President the other day which is a free speech.

PAUL: Well, let me ask you this though. For one if the President -- when the President was speaking, there was no threat. Nobody was yelling gun. And he did have to quiet the crowd down. I mean, it took him a couple of minutes, did he not, Eugene?

EUGENE SCOTT, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: But there was no physical reaction. There were no hands. So I've been covering Trump rallies since day one. My first day at CNN was Trump is the day that he announced. And when I was looking at this last night it reminded me of some of the earlier rallies where we have seen. We have video footage of protesters being assaulted, being pushed, being attacked. It is not the new -- this is not the new normal. It's what a lot of people are hoping at least those who are in the media. And those, you know, who are actively protesting. But it looks like we have returned to a point in the campaign that we thought we passed.

BUCKLEY: I don't know what Donald Trump was supposed to be doing when he was being rushed off the stage. Was he supposed to push off the Secret Service men and say no, no, no?


[05:10:01] PAUL: No, I don't think he should be saying that.

BLACKWELL: Yeah, no one...

ROSEN: And by the way, you know, protests -- but these rallies, these last few days are really to motivate candidates to get what people are saying. This guy obviously got in pretty close.

So, you know, I understand that people are nervous about that. But I think it's the victimization that the Trump people do and pretend that it doesn't happen on the other side that I find more offensive.


BLACKWELL: All right. We're going to take a quick break, Hilary Rosen, Eugene Scott, Frank Buckley stay with us. We'll continue the conversation after this.


BLACKWELL: Well, as Michigan slides from an easy Democratic win into a battleground state. We shouldn't say easy.

PAUL: Yeah.

BLACKWELL: There are few of these states that are easy.

PAUL: That are easy.

BLACKWELL: Both sides are applying this full court press now. Last- minute visits are planned for President Obama, Hillary Clinton, former President Bill Clinton as well.

PAUL: Donald Trump and his running mate Mike Pence also making multiple stops. Recently poll shows that Michigan, here's the thing. It could be within reach for Trump. He won the state in the GOP Primary. Clinton lost it to Bernie Sanders. Again, let's bring up panel back, Eugene, Hillary, Frank. Let's talk about Michigan. There's no early voting there for one thing. If he wins Michigan, Hillary Clinton drops to 258 in electoral votes. Talk to us about the importance of this state, Hilary.

ROSEN: Well, he's not going to win Michigan. Every presidential cycle Republicans go after Michigan and they don't win it.

PAUL: But this isn't ever political cycle ...


ROSEN: There's a base in Michigan that is not going to waiver.

[05:15:03] And look, the more we keep Donald Trump in Michigan, the better off we are as Democrats, right? So, let him try, let him focus on it.

But between a very hard core urban population, unmarried women and a large Muslim population in the suburbs of Detroit, Donald Trump is not going to win Michigan.

BLACKWELL: Yeah. You saw there the race there in -- at 6 between Trump and Clinton. Frank, I want you to respond to something that campaign manager for Hillary Clinton said Robby Mook said on the jet last night. Let's watch.


ROBBY MOOK, CLINTON CAMPAIGN MANAGER: Our strength there really is with the suburban women and some of these independents, Republican leading independents. We've been able to hold. We have seen it consolidate there like we have seen everywhere else. But part of that, we want to be on the ground because we can ...



BLACKWELL: All right. So my hope is that you at home heard that. I haven's hear the transcript on my phone because we didn't hear it really well. Strength there is that we -- with these the suburban women, some of these independents, the Republican leaning independents who we've been able to hold he said, a part of why we want to be in grand rapid is because we think we have an opportunity to pull out some late deciders. What does Donald Trump see there that the Clinton campaign does not after President Obama won, you know, wait in 2012?

BUCKLEY: Well, first of all I don't think anybody can say what's going to happen in Michigan. I agree that it's traditionally a Democratic state. It's hard to turn.

What's fascinating about these is that there seems to be a new Republican Party that's emerging. And that it's one which has greater roots in ordinary Americans of every color who've lost their jobs in recent years. And he seems to be reaching out for them in a way that Republicans in the past haven't, and that's just changed the map.

So how that's going to turn out? I don't know but I'm delighted that the Republican candidate this year is not simply walking in with a 59- point plan ignoring, you know, directed at or ignoring the 47 percent of takers. This is a wonderful change in my view.

BLACKWELL: Well, Eugene, does he have a ground game to get these voters out on Tuesday? Because that is essentially what many of these states come down to.

SCOTT: Well, certainly that's what Sean Spicer has said that they do have a ground game. They pay close attention to what Obama did effectively in '08 and '12. And they've tried to mimic that. The question is do they have as effective of a ground game.

As the Clinton campaign, the reality is, it is a very diverse state. There are a lot of working class, voters who have been hurt this proportionally by the Comey. But there are a lot of black voters. There are a lot of millennial voters, because there a lot (ph) of women voters. And the reality is those demographics historically have gone to the blue candidate.

PAUL: All right. But we know -- here's the thing, we've got Obama in Ann Arbor on Monday, Bill Clinton is in Lansing on Monday as well, it's Donald Trump and Mike Pence and that's it. Is that making a difference the fact that they are in a sense so low when we talk about all of the people that are out there campaigning for Hillary Clinton?

SCOTT: It's not even about the small number of surrogates. It's about the lack of diversity among surrogates. I mean, you're seeing the Clinton Campaign have everyone from Jay Z to Bill Clinton hit the trail on their behalf, reaching various demographics trying to get to people who perhaps would not normally come out --- to come out.

What Donald Trump is going to have to do what we've been saying for weeks is go beyond his base. He cannot win this race without going beyond his base.

BLACKWELL: All right. Hilary, you're with us all morning and I want to get to the latest segment. I just got to wrap from my producer. If the Clinton campaign is so confident about Michigan why are they deploying so many resources and the top names there, but we'll get to that later this morning. A bit of a tease for you to stay with us all day.

PAUL: Good question.

ROSEN: Yeah. It's all been leading up to this Election Day in America.

BLACKWELL: Yeah. We'll have every race, every result. Stay with CNN until the last vote is counted.

Donald Trump knocking U.S. Officials as a group of losers, that's his phrase, for not launching a surprise attack in Mosul. He says, he convinced that the offense which had lead by the -- there. It was launched for political reasons to benefit Hillary Clinton.

PAUL: Plus our CNN crew caught in 28 hours really at hell (ph), take a look at this. Trapped right in middle of a fire fight between ISIS and Iraqi soldiers, we have that exclusive report from Mosul coming up for you next.



[05:22:57] TRUMP: One of the reasons we're going to Mosul is we want to get the ISIS leaders. We think they're staying in Mosul. And we want to get them. Well, before the announcement is over, they've gone. Whatever happened to the element of surprise, the element of surprise, what a group of losers we have.


BLACKWELL: Well, that was Donald Trump criticizing U.S. officials for their handling of the Iraqi led offense into Mosul to retake that city from ISIS.

Now, the refrain about the element of surprise is nothing new. You've probably heard that from the Republican nominee several times this cycle. He's been openly critical of the military operation despite forces on the ground making really important gains.

PAUL: Well, yesterday Trump also said that he was convinced the assault was launched quote for political reasons to benefit Hillary Clinton and suggested that she would get credit for success.

Now, let's talk about Mosul. Iraqi forces inside Mosul facing stiff resistance as they battle ISIS. The terror group has held that city for more that two years now. And they've setup defenses and booby traps throughout it.

Well, CNN Senior International Correspondent Arwa Damon saw first hand as Iraqi troops face a hardened enemy determined to fight to the death. Look at these pictures of what they saw. She and photojournalist Brice Laine was caught in a brutal ISIS ambush alongside Iraqi Special Forces.

BLACKWELL: Arwa told CNN's Poppy Harlow about that experience. Watch part of the conversation.


ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Our photographer, camera man Brice and I were with this unit of Iraqi counter terrorism forces. And what happened was ISIS ambushed them in a very complex attack on one of these narrow streets that they were going down. And they managed to split the convoy in two. I have to say that this is the most harrowing experience that I personally have ever been through despite having covered war zones for more than a decade.

[05:25:05] What happened was once they managed to split the convoy in two initially with the gun fire, rocket-propelled grenade. They then began to systematically take out the convoy's vehicle, humvees and MRAPS, starting on both ends and moving towards those that were in the middle forcing the soldiers and eventually us out of our vehicles onto the streets and into the buildings basically putting the troops in more vulnerable positions. Because then the ISIS fighters were moving in and attacking the buildings that the troops were sheltering in.

At the end of a very long 24 hours, the bottom line is that we were under siege with around 22 wounded soldiers.


BLACKWELL: That's just remarkable there. We have even more of Arwa's incredible reporting on this assault in Mosul. It will air later on today at 4:00 p.m. Eastern hour on The Lead with Jack Tapper. You, of course, want to watch that.

PAUL: And be sure to check out Arwa and Brice's hour by hour account that they were surrounded by these ISIS fighters. That's on right now.

All right. Melania Trump back on the campaign trail and she got a lot of praise from her husband. Sweet little exchange, some people are saying there between the two which makes some wonder. This exchange and Melania herself that have any effect on women voters?


[05:29:57] PAUL: Welcome to a very early morning, 5:29 is the time. We're grateful that you're awake and up with us. I'm Christi Paul.

BLACKWELL: That is a very early morning. I'm Victor Blackwell, happy to be with you from Washington, D.C. this morning.

Two days now until Election Day and candidates and the surrogates are blitzing the battleground state.

PAUL: They're on their best to persuade every voter that their vote matters and here's why. The latest CNN Poll of polls I want to share with you right now. This shows the race is getting even closer into home stretch. Hillary Clinton leading Donald Trump just 46 percent to 43 percent nationally.

BLACKWELL: And when we started this show yesterday with a five-point gap here, now down to three. Now, for the Trump campaign, their latest effort include getting out his wife, Melania Trump, back on to the trail. And she made her second appearance in one week that was yesterday in Wilmington, North Carolina, Melania here defending her husband's character. Listen.


MELANIA TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP'S WIFE: Donald is a wonderful husband, father and grandfather. He's strong. He's determined, bold and decisive. He's also compassionate, thoughtful, giving and loving. Donald cares. (END VIDEO CLIP)

BLACKWELL: The campaign is hoping Melania Trump can persuade undecided women voters and that's especially important in the battleground states, of course, Pennsylvania.

PAUL: Yeah. And the latest CNN Poll showing that Trump is losing the women vote by double digits there, his female supporters though are confident that that is not actually the case. CNN Correspondent Randi Kaye spoke to some of those voters.


FEMALE SPEAKER: Don't under estimate a woman. I love Donald Trump.

RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This woman may love Donald Trump but he needs more women to support him, especially here in Pennsylvania where polls show Trump trailing Hillary Clinton by double digits among women.

What do you think the trouble is? Why is Donald Trump so far behind Hillary Clinton among women in the State of Pennsylvania?

HELEN PIKE, TRUMP SUPPORTER: I don't think he is. I think they portray that he is. I don't think he is.

KAYE: Not a single woman we spoke with trust the polls, including this woman who switched from Democrat to Republican to vote Trump.

White suburban women could be the key to Donald Trump's victory here in state of Pennsylvania and you think that he has them, he has their back?

YVON COPHORT, TRUMP SUPPORTER: Absolutely, absolutely.

KAYE: You think the polls are wrong?

COPHORT: Absolutely. I think everybody here think the polls are wrong.

KAYE: Wrong they say because Trump is better for women than Hillary Clinton.

PIKE: Come down to earth ladies and think about what that woman has done for you in the last 12 years, nothing not a (inaudible).

KAYE: For those women who might be on the fence and they're not sure about voting for Donald Trump, what do you say to them?

GAIL CASANO, TRUMP SOPPUERT: Safety first. They've got to be safe and he will keep us safe.

KAYE: This woman is one if those that still needs convincing. How does it feel to be undecided four days before Election Day?

LISA CUDDY, UNDECIDED VOTER: Scary and sad. KAYE: Lisa Cuddy still isn't sold on Donald trump, even though this is her fourth Trump rally. How does Donald Trump win your vote at this point?

CUDDY: It's not how he's going to win my vote, it's how Hillary is not going to win my vote.

KAYE: So it wouldn't necessarily be a vote for him, it would be more of a vote against Hillary Clinton?


KAYE: So what is it about Donald Trump that you have questions about?

CUDDY: His experience with foreign mostly, the foreign policies and how he says he has more than the generals and I just don't, you know, I know that there's things that he shouldn't say.

KAYE: Her son Josh isn't old enough to vote but he's pressuring his mom to vote Trump.

JOSH CUDDY: I feel that she's going to make the rights decision on Tuesday. I know she's going to make the right decision Tuesday.

KAYE: You'll work on her until then?

CUDDY: Oh yes, she's going to vote for Trump. Believe me, she's going to vote for Trump.

KAYE: The Republican nominee has just days to convince more women to vote for him. How does he do that?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think probably for him would maybe to keep his mouth shut about the women.


BLACKWELL: All right, thanks to Randi Kaye for that report.

PAUL: And how does Donald Trump win over women in this final stretch. Let's talk to our panel about that. Hilary Rosen, CNN Political Commentator and Hillary Clinton supporter, Amy Kremer, Donald Trump supporter and co-founder of Women Vote Trump, and Atima Omara, President Emeritus of the Young Democrats of America and also a Hillary Clinton supporter.

So that woman said something undecided, very interesting there and it sounds as though she's desperately searching for an alternative because she's just not convinced about Hillary Clinton. And at the end of the day, the only alternative she feels she has with Donald Trump. She's been to four rallies. He hasn't convinced her yet.

Amy, what on earth could Donald Trump say in this final as wee -- we're edging here to the final 48 hours, what can he say to women like her to bring them on board? AMY KREMER, WOMEN'S VOTE TRUMP: Well I think he needs to make his closing argument which is what he's been out there doing and talking about our national security and jobs in the economy and its health care, education.

[05:35:01] Those were the four issues that women are mostly are concerned about. And he needs to go out there and continue to do it.

That he's talked about it, he said it. But, Christi, you can't deny that the American people do not -- these are the most unlike candidates in history, the two most unlike candidates in history.

PAUL: Both of them.

KREMER: Right. And you have a binary choice essentially because the third option they're not going to win. So somehow -- it's unbelievable that there are still undecided but there are.

BLACKWELL: That's right.

PAUL: I don't know that it's unbelievable with everything that we've seen. I don't know that it's unbelievable.

I can tell you I'm in Georgia which is another state that people are wondering which way it's going to go. I can't tell you how many people I've talked to who have written somebody in. And you know that when you do that you're throwing your vote away, essentially.

ROSEN: Let's table set though because women are not quite as undecided as you're making it out to be. There was a -- Barack Obama beat Mitt Romney by 10 -- 12 points among women. That was the gender gap, 12 points. Hillary Clinton is leading Donald Trump by 33 points among women, 33 points currently.

And it's not because they're undecided. It's because they see what he's done. They listen. They can't get that tape from that bus out of their head. They don't want that for their daughter and nothing about his policies and other things will make them feel better if they can't feel good about who they're voting for being an American.

PAUL: At the same time.

ROSEN: And so I don't see those numbers changing.

BLACKWELL: Atima, let me bring you into this because during the primary between Clinton and Sanders, we heard from a lot of college aged women, millennial women that they believe there will be a woman president one day and some of them, most of them, Sanders supported said, "But we are not necessarily convinced it's going to be this woman or has to be this woman." How did Hillary Clinton bring those women into her camp and how pervasive is that sentiment still?

ATIMA OMARA, YOUNG DEMOCRATS OF AMERICA: Yes. I think one of the key things we have to think about with millennials is that, you know, this is a generation about born Post-Roe v. Wade, post-civil rights who have imposed the AIDS crisis. Post so many social movements in this country.

We have growing up the friends who are immigrants. We have grown up with friends who are, you know, in gay families. It's just having friends more of that in for a set, who's grown up with single moms.

And so, you know, we might have our economic, kind of perspective, maybe varied, but when you come down to the social issues and what we care about and that everybody being part of the greater American fabric. We tend to always vote Democrat when we come out. And, you know, when you look at Donald Trump, the things he said on making fun of people disabilities, making fun of women, making fun of, you know, how things discrimination against people of color, the Central Park Five case, you're pretty much looking at a guy that doesn't represent the America that you're a part of and you want to go with somebody like Hillary Clinton who is advocating and fighting for and being pushed successfully to kind of talk a lot more about those issues.

KREMER: Can I -- I want to say though, we can sit up here talk about all of this all day long but don't discredit women and think that all they care about is what somebody said on a bus 12 years ago or however long ago. At the end of the day, women decide on issues that matter to that, how it affects our children and their families, their pocketbook, the kitchen table issues.

I mean, that's what their focus on, they want to know that their family is safe and secure. And, Hilary, while you're saying that, you know, that women care about these things they can't get the bus out of their mind, they also want to know that it -- should their child, their son or daughter go into harm's way, that Hillary Clinton is going to accept the 3:00 a.m. phone call and not put their children's lives in danger.

ROSEN: I think that's right. I do.

KREMER: And she didn't do that. Look at Benghazi.

ROSEN: Well, I don't agree with that. And history has shown that that's not true. But I agree that fundamentally most women want what most men want which is, you know, a safe and secure environment for their families, economic opportunity and education for their kids.

I think Hillary Clinton has focused a plan more specifically about that. I think she talks about women and families more on the Trump than Donald Trump does and I think that that's ...

KREMER: Well that's what she does but when ...

ROSEN: All American,

PAUL: No we do. But just from that focus on, we notice that there are women who support Trump and who support him very strongly. Listen.

We're going to continue this conversation on the other side of the break. We're not cutting it off. We want to make sure that we've got some time to get there. BLACKWELL: All right. So in the places of faith, churches, the synagogues and the monks, they're turning to a faith to help them get out to vote, how religious communities are getting souls to the polls. That's coming up next.


[05:43:10] BLACKWELL: All right. Two days now until Election Day, the political lines in the stand are deeper than they ever have been and now Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump are frivolously trying to get as many voters to the polls as they can on Tuesday.

PAUL: Yeah. Final days here and a lot of -- many are leaning on their faith, let's say, to get through this vote, evangelicals trying to get as many as they've -- souls to the polls a as they can. Here's Polo Sandoval.


POLO SANDOVAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's a final push to shut all parishioners from the pews to the polls. Today, early voting ends in a few remaining states ahead of Tuesday's general election. Faith leaders have one last chance to drive voters to polling locations after Sunday service. It's part of the so called "Souls to the Polls Movement", it's adding to already high early voter turnout.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Today is our first day of Souls to the Polls. We are so excited that so many people out, hundreds of people. I just left Trinity (ph) where 400 people where it says (ph), we're on our way to vote.

SANDOVAL: Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump each fought for supporters among the faithful.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Father, we thank you in the name of Jesus,

SANDOVAL: Visits to churches and houses of worship became regular stops for the two candidates on the campaign trail. The final stretch will keep volunteers busy too.

The Clinton campaign tells CNN, they expect close to a million volunteer shifts leading up to Election Day. The Republican National Committee expects their volunteers will knock on nearly 17 million doors for Tuesday, and each candidate directly spending much of their remaining campaigns in battleground states.

TRUMP: I'm asking you to dream big because with your vote, we are just three days away from the change you've been waiting for your entire life.

[05:45:05] CLINTON: I want to be the president for everybody, everybody who agrees with me, people who don't agree with me, people who vote for me, people who don't vote for me.

SANDOVAL: It's a massive get out the vote effort as Election Day nears. Polo Sandoval, CNN, Atlanta.


PAUL: You know what, Evangelical Christians have been reliable Republican voters for decades but many of them are at impasse this year as to who they want to choose.

BLACKWELL: All right. So let's bring back now our panel to answer the question, how will Evangelicals vote on Election Day? Hilary Rosen, CNN Political Commentator and Hillary Clinton supporter, Amy Kremer, Donald Trump Supporter and to co-founder of Women Vote Trump and Atima Omara, President Emeritus of the Young Democrats of America and also a Hillary Clinton supporter.

And, Amy, I'm going to come to you first with this get out the vote effort. We have seen and we've discussed at length Donald Trump's get out the vote effort and strategy and infrastructure and in some states, the lack thereof versus Hillary Clinton's. How can he bring out these Evangelicals? He did well during the primary but how is he going to get them out on Election Day?

KREMER: Well, we've also heard how he -- well, he may not have that huge infrastructure, the Republican Party has been out there since 2013 with people in the field working, leading up to this day. So the Republican Party is doing part of that.

And then, you've got all of these Senate races too that are going on in the states. And I think people are motivated because they truly want change. They're not looking for -- it's not like they're waiting on somebody to come take them by the hand and take them to the polls. They know what to do to go vote.

And, I mean, you've seen the numbers across the country, the early voting is off the charts. And so I think people are motivated because they truly want change and I think that's the biggest thing right there is that they want change and they know that Hillary Clinton is going to be four more years of an Obama administration.

PAUL: Atima, how much do you think safe place to role in the choices that are made at the ballot box?

OMARA: Definitely, African-American commit pretty strongly. When you have, you know, social justice movement, pretty much coming out of the African-American church in the '60s and kind of still sort of a tradition today, you pretty much have faith very much tied to that.

So I have, you know, friends in North Carolina who are participating in Souls to the Polls events. Early voting especially going back to 2008 with Obama has become very, very important for African-Americans. That's a good reason to get folks out there pretty early and using the church to go afterwards and go like, "All right, now we are all together, we're going to go to the polls".

BLACKWELL: And Hilary, a key with things of the point there was especially in the African-American community, Souls to the Polls has been a way to get voters out to the polls. And we know that they've employed President Obama, they have employed Michelle Obama and then Jay Z and Beyonce and Pharrell.

But still even with in the context of this conversation, African- American numbers for Hillary Clinton are a bit soft. The enthusiasm number's a bit soft.

ROSEN: Well they're back over the last couple of days. And black churches got Hillary Clinton over the hump in the primary with Bernie Sanders and black churches are going to deliver Hillary Clinton to the presidency in so many ways.

The numbers in Florida have rebounded for African-American turnout. There -- it was soft the first few days but we've seen in the last three days that has rebounded back to 2012 levels and we're going to see the same thing in North Carolina as well. Michigan is important, which is why I think you see the principals going there this week to, you know, get a little more enthusiasm going.

But in the African-American community, the churches have been extremely important and in the Latino community, in Catholic churches, very important also.

OMARA: It's also important to know that we're comparing this to 2012 levels. You know, the African-American turnout has, this historic in the '08 and '12. And if it was lower than, you know, what it was in '06 or '04 then we'd be very concern with the fact that we're pretty much holding part to what happened in '12 which is still a historic turnout. This is still great for African-Americans. This is a very great for Hillary Clinton.

BLACKWELL: Yeah. And let me ask you about if Donald Trump missed some opportunity in the lead-up to Tuesday with the strength he had with Evangelicals in the primary. And do you believe he had an opportunity to at least grow or get more than he's getting now in African-American support?

KREMER: I think he has had an opportunity and he's gone out there and gone into some of these churches and talked to the community. We've seen it over the past couple of months.

BLACKWELL: But what's been the fruit of that?

KREMER: I mean, what do you mean what's been the fruit? He's talking about how it's going to change their lives, give them an opportunity that, you know, what has -- what is the Democratic Party done for them.

[05:50:00] And so he's taught about that repeatedly. And he, you know, he's criticized if he doesn't do it but he's criticized if he does do it. We all know that if you're running for office, what do you do? You take your case to the voters and you ask them for their vote and that is exactly what he's done.

I don't know what else he can do. You -- I mean, the only way we're going to know for sure is for him to be elected. BLACKWELL: Well, the question is really about what do you of the way he pitch himself to the African-American.

KREMER: Well, and let me -- let me say this, we know that Donald Trump is not politically correct. That's not how he got where he is. He doesn't and he's an equal opportunity offender, you know, he says things that, you know, against men, he says against women.

He speaks what is on his mind and that is something that the American people find refreshing, that he is not spinning all of the time.

ROSEN: But that's not his problem in black communities. You know, and look, I applaud Donald Trump for going to communities that Republicans have historically not sought. I think it is good the GOP is out there.

We need more talk about poverty in this country and we need more talk about opportunity. The problem is that the way he communicates with communities of color shows not just a lack of empathy but a lack of understanding about the diversity of the community about the diversity issues. It's you can't help if you don't know what's going on.

PAUL: OK. Ten seconds but I know you want to say something.

OMARA: Yeah. I was going to add that right, when you're - you can have a conservative argument on income inequality and in improving education and all of that. But when you're giving a speech like you give on urban development in North Carolina, but it's a predominantly white audience even though it's geared toward Africa-Americans, he needs to go where they're at, that's the point.

KREMER: That's been a theme throughout this election. So let's keep listen, saying, all right, everyone.

BLACKWELL: All right.

PAUL: Amy, thank you so much.

KREMER: Thank you.

BLACKWELL: We'll be right back.


[05:55:21] PAUL: Saturday Night Live taking advantage of the last weekend of this campaign. The cast, well the prompter says it's getting in one last job. I do not believe this is one last job.

BLACKWELL: I feel like we'll have some after the election too. Of course, there was the name calling and the insults but the candidates had a bit of a change of heart. Watch this.


KATE MCKINNON AS HILLARY CLINTON: Whole election has been so mean.

ALEC BALDWIN AS DONALD TRUMP: I mean, I just feel gross all the time. I mean, don't you -- it's still gross all of the time about this?

MCKINNON: You know what I think can help us? Let's get out of here.

BALDWIN: What? Where will we go?

MCKINNON: You'll see.


PAUL: Holding hands and out the door.

BLACKWELL: Out to Times Square. All right everything is leading up to Election Day in America.

PAUL: Every race, every result, we have it for you here. Stay with CNN until that last vote is counted.

BLACKWELL: All right. There was that brief scare on the campaign trail for Donald Trump. Secret Service agents rushing him off of the stage after someone in the crowd shouted "gun." We'll have more in the next hour what we've learn over night along with a look ahead of how the candidates are planning to convince those last-minute voters.