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Interview With Minnesota Senator Al Franken; Interview With Donald Trump Campaign Manager Kellyanne Conway; Interview With Libertarian Vice Presidential Candidate Bill Weld; The Race Tightens In Michigan; The Cubs' World Series Win. Aired 9-10a ET
Aired November 6, 2016 - 09:00 ET
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JAKE TAPPER, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): This is it.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We have unfinished business to do, a glass ceiling to crack once and for all.
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
TAPPER: Just two days left until an epic Election Day showdown.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Can you believe it? Days away from the change you have been waiting for your entire life.
BEYONCE KNOWLES, SINGER: This is history.
TRUMP: From Beyonce and Jay-Z to Barack and Michelle.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: They want to bamboozle you. Donald Trump is uniquely unqualified to be president.
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
TAPPER: Clinton bringing in the big guns to try to motivate black and young voters. Will it work?
And with Trump closing in on Clinton in key states, could he pull it off?
TRUMP: No sidetracks, Donald. Nice and easy.
TAPPER: The very latest on where the map stands right now.
Plus, the best political minds will be here from insights from the campaign trail.
A special edition of STATE OF THE UNION, with limited commercial interruptions, starts now.
(END VIDEOTAPE) TAPPER: Hello. I'm Jake Tapper in Washington, where the state of our union is down to the wire, just hours to go now until the American people pick a new president.
The stakes are high. So are the tensions, especially, perhaps, among Democrats who see the race tightening in key states. Hillary Clinton's campaign has been banking on a blue wall,die-hard Democratic states she was banking on for a victory, but Donald Trump says, not so fast.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: We're going into what they used to call Democrat strongholds, where we're now either tied or leading. We're going to Minnesota.
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
TRUMP: We're going up to Minnesota, which traditionally has not been Republican at all, and we're doing phenomenally. We just saw a poll.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
TAPPER: Minnesota, a state that has not gone red in a presidential contest since the Nixon landslide of 1972, and now Trump and his running mate, Mike Pence, are both going to be there today and tomorrow in these precious last few hours.
So, does Trump know something that the rest of us don't, or is this wishful, perhaps even desperate electoral map thinking?
Minnesota's Democratic Senator Al Franken joins us now.
Senator Franken, thanks so much for joining us.
SEN. AL FRANKEN (D), MINNESOTA: Thanks for having me, Jake.
TAPPER: So, let's start with your home state of Minnesota. Donald Trump is headed there today, Pence tomorrow. Republicans say they're within striking distance. Is Hillary Clinton at risk losing your state, which has not gone Republican since '72?
FRANKEN: I don't think so.
You know, I'm, Jake, kind of the poster boy for close elections. I had a very close election here in Minnesota in 2008, won by 312 votes. So, what I have been focused on the last actually couple of months is on turnout, especially last month, doing canvassing all over the country or talking to canvassing offices, urging people -- our people to get on the doors.
I think we have a great ground game. I have been -- and I'm spending this last week in Minnesota doing that.
TAPPER: Let's turn to another traditionally blue state in presidential contests, Michigan, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama all campaigning there in the final stretch before the election. It's a state that was once thought to be safely in the Democratic
column this year. Is Hillary Clinton at risk of losing this Democratic firewall of states such as Michigan?
FRANKEN: Again, I'm not a pundit.
What I do know is that I have been for Hillary this whole time, all along. She's the smartest, hardest-working, toughest person know. I think she would be great as president.
You know, Jake, when a decision comes to the president, it's because only the president can make that decision. And the president has to draw on his -- and I believe soon her -- all her vast experience and knowledge. And I want her doing that.
And I don't trust Donald Trump, because I don't think he has any really depth or breadth of knowledge about any -- public policy anyway.
TAPPER: There are a lot of Democrats out there who are nervous, who are anxious. Are you among them?
FRANKEN: Oh, sure. I'm always nervous. I was nervous in '12. I was nervous in '08, for good reason. I won by 312 votes.
FRANKEN: But, I mean, I -- you know, we run through the finish line. This is what I tell everybody, that -- I go to canvassing centers. I say, many of you have jobs. Many of you have families. Ignore them. Get on the doors.
TAPPER: I want to ask you about this new two-minute ad that the Trump campaign is going to be airing. It blasts the Washington and global establishment. It uses images of Obama and Clinton, but some columnists have noted that there are three other individuals in the ad, George Soros, Janet Yellen, Lloyd Blankfein, the financier, the Fed chair, and the chair of Goldman Sachs.
And people have pointed out all three of them happen to be Jewish.
What was your take when you saw the ad?
FRANKEN: Well, when I saw the ad, I thought that this was something of a German shepherd, whistle, a dog whistle to sort of the -- a certain group in the United States.
I think -- I'm Jewish, so maybe I'm sensitive to it. But it clearly had sort of Elders of Zion kind of feel to it, international banking crisis -- plot or conspiracy, rather, and then a number of Jews.
So, I think that that's -- it does speak to a certain part of his alt- right base, the Bannon -- I mean, Bannon, who is head of Breitbart, is his chairman. They traffic in that. Trump has retweeted a lot of that sort of thing.
And I think that it's an appeal to some of the worst elements in our country as a closing argument. And I think that people who aren't sensitive to that or don't know that history may not see that in that. But that's what I -- I immediately saw.
TAPPER: I want to ask you about this news broken by Reuters that the Clinton Foundation confirmed that it did accept a $1 million gift from Qatar while Hillary Clinton was secretary of state without informing the State Department, even though they had made that as an assertion of rules, that they would inform the State Department.
Do you think, going forward, if Hillary Clinton wins on Tuesday, does the Clinton Foundation need to be shut down, completely shut down, so as to eliminate any possible conflicts of interest or appearances of influence-peddling?
FRANKEN: Well, I -- I don't know.
I mean, Qatar, we have a base in Qatar. People should remember that. I have been on a number of USO tours before I became a senator to Iraq and Afghanistan. And I know that Qatar is very important in our presence in the region.
The Clinton Foundation has saved millions of lives. I think that, sometimes, people should compare the two foundations, the Trump Foundation and the Clinton Foundation, which got the HIV drugs to millions of people, vs. the Trump Foundation, which doesn't seem to have done much of anything for anybody, other than Donald Trump.
TAPPER: I hear you, sir, but is it not -- the idea that there is this foundation that is the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation out there raising tens of millions of dollars while she is potentially president of the United States, doesn't that create a possible real problem for her that's not worth undermining her presidency?
There are questions about when individuals, groups, countries...
FRANKEN: Oh, sure, sure.
TAPPER: ... give money.
FRANKEN: No, no, I take your point.
And maybe there's some way to continue to the good work that the foundation does, and do it under a completely different -- you know, different people running it, so that there is no conflict of interests.
I think that needs clearly to be looked at. And I'm sure that -- I can't see them not responding to that critique and finding a way to completely divorce that from her. That's a good idea, I think.
TAPPER: Hillary Clinton was asked this week about FBI Director James Comey and whether she, if she wins, would ask him to resign.
Take a listen.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
CLINTON: I'm not going to, you know, get ahead of myself.
But assuming I will be fortunate enough to be elected, I also would never comment on any kind of personnel issue.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
TAPPER: As a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, do you have an opinion as to whether or not you have confidence in the prospect of FBI Director Comey moving forward, overseeing the e-mail investigation and any possible inquiries into the Clinton Foundation?
FRANKEN: I think what's troubling that we have heard out of the FBI, I think it was troubling that he put that vague letter out 11 days before the election.
I think even more troubling is what we have heard from sort of the rogue elements within the FBI, seemingly tipping off former Mayor Giuliani that something was up. And also, I mean, it just seems like that's not the FBI. That's not what the FBI is supposed to do, it seems.
So, I'm on the Judiciary Committee. I'm sure we will have hearings. I'm sure that FBI Director Comey will be before us. And I think he should answer questions about this. And he should be able to control the FBI. He is director of the FBI. He should be able to -- what has been happening there has been a little hinky, I think.
TAPPER: But, as you know, FBI directors...
FRANKEN: So, we will be asking him questions.
FBI directors are basically appointed for 10-year terms. He has served three.
TAPPER: Do you have confidence that he can continue in that job for the next seven years if Hillary Clinton wins?
FRANKEN: I think we are going to have hearings.
I think we're going to try to get to the bottom of this sort of rogue element within the FBI that seems to think it's OK to go outside the FBI to be trying to affect the election, that seems to be responding to just scurrilous right-wing books, and starting investigations based on that kind of -- you know, that kind of propaganda that we have seen before.
That's disturbing. And if you're director of the FBI, you should be able to prevent that from happening. That's part of being -- leading an organization, is to keep that organization on its mission. And this is so apart and separate from anything they have ever done before that there are very, very important questions to be asking Director Comey.
TAPPER: So, you're going to -- you're calling for hearings to talk to Director Comey about these, what you call rogue elements in the FBI?
FRANKEN: Yes. I think that there should be hearings. And I'm certainly there will be hearings in the Judiciary Committee on this matter.
TAPPER: Let me ask you about the election going forward.
There are signs that Latino early voting is up significantly, but that African-American early voting, especially in several key states like North Carolina, is down. Are you concerned about what this might mean for Hillary Clinton on Tuesday?
FRANKEN: Well, on the African-American vote in North Carolina, I think that we have seen in the last week there's been an effort to suppress that vote. And I think African-American North Carolinians have gotten that message. And the reaction to that usually is -- is increased turnout.
So, I think that their effort to suppress people, to purge the rolls -- remember, the president told about this 100-year-old woman who was purged and wrote him a letter. And that went to a judge, who called this insane, what was going on.
I think that's going to actually spur African-Americans in North Carolina to turn out.
TAPPER: Senator Al Franken of the great state of Minnesota, we appreciate your time. Thank you, sir.
FRANKEN: Thank you, Jake. Always good to talk to you.
TAPPER: Nice talking to you, sir.
Donald Trump is keeping up a relentless schedule, hitting several time zones a day to maximize his remaining hours.
But he faced a frightening moment in Reno, Nevada, last night, as Secret Service rushed Trump off the stage and security forces stormed the audience after panic in the crowd.
Now, what we have learned is, what apparently happened is a protester tried to raise a "Republicans Against Trump" sign. That protester was confronted by people in the crowd, tackled, and someone in the crowd apparently incorrectly yelled that the protester had a gun.
U.S. Secret Service says that no weapon was found. They report that no one was hurt.
Mr. Trump returned to the stage not long after and resumed his campaign pitch.
Joining me now from New York is Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway.
Kellyanne, good to see you. Thanks for joining us.
KELLYANNE CONWAY, TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER: Hi, Jake. Hi.
TAPPER: So, first of all, we're glad everyone is OK.
I have to ask. Your social media director, Dan Scavino, and a member of Mr. Trump's family, they are retweeting misinformation that this was an assassination attempt. It was not an assassination attempt, thankfully.
Should they be spreading this misinformation?
CONWAY: Well, I'm glad you're happy that everybody is OK. That's really the main focus here. It's scary.
I mean, all the coverage is usually about our protesters wreaking havoc and making people feel afraid. And this certainly goes both ways.
I'm with Mr. Trump and the Secret Service routinely. They do an amazing job. They are absolutely the unsung heroes, I'm sure for Mrs. Clinton as well. And the Secret Service, we really respect those men and women enormously. And I'm glad nobody was hurt.
But it does remind you that, in these closing days, especially as the polls tighten, many of us are getting more death threats, getting more angry messages on social media and elsewhere. And it's a pretty fraught environment there. I think that's the real focus here.
I also just want to point out, because some people are spreading this information about the protester, he had canvassed for Hillary Clinton. And he had donated to her campaign.
So, this is a Democratic plant or operative trying to disrupt our rally. And I think that people saw a nimble, resilient Donald Trump, who would be nimble and resilient as president as well, take back to the stage, Dan Scavino telling people, we're not going to be stopped. Nobody can interrupt this movement.
TAPPER: Right. He...
CONWAY: But, you know, if you're Don Jr. and you're on a live TV set while you're watching this unfold, it's pretty rattling to think of what may have happened to your father. So, I will excuse him that.
TAPPER: Except it wasn't an assassination attempt. It was apparently a local voter or Republican who says he is supporting Hillary Clinton...
CONWAY: Who supports Hillary.
TAPPER: He has given money to Hillary Clinton. He has canvassed for Hillary Clinton.
TAPPER: But he says he's a Republican. But, most importantly, he was not trying to assassinate anyone.
And here is what I'm talking about. Let's put it up.
Donald Trump Jr. and Dan Scavino retweeted this -- quote -- "Hillary ran away from rain today. Trump is back on stage minutes after assassination attempt."
Again, we're happy that this was not an assassination attempt. But why is your campaign spreading that it was?
CONWAY: Well, how do you -- first of all, that's really remarkable, I have to say, that that's what the storyline is here.
Thank you for reminding everybody that the rain chased her away. There weren't a lot of people there at her rally to begin with. And the rain just left them running for cover. I think she got has to sort of travel nonstop with Beyonce, Jay-Z and the likes of that just to prop her up and get a decent crowd. People, by the way, are there to see Beyonce, not to see her.
And, Jake, I want to say, are CNN going to retract all the storylines, all the headlines, all the breathless predictions of the last two weeks that turned out not to be true, the race is over, the path is closed, it's going to be a blowout?
You guys retract that, and I will give a call to Dan Scavino about the retweet.
TAPPER: I never reported anything along those lines. I have always been saying that this was going to be a tight election, and even when Hillary Clinton...
CONWAY: CNN certainly has.
TAPPER: Who hasn't?
CONWAY: CNN certainly has. CNN certainly has.
You know, I love CNN, but you got to -- you got to be honest here. The lower third, what's always on the Chyrons, the panelists, the so- called experts constantly saying, she can't lose, the race is over, the path is narrowed. And you know what? I actually thank you guys in part for that, because every time...
TAPPER: I have never -- I have never heard anybody say -- I have never heard anybody say the race is over.
CONWAY: On CNN?
TAPPER: We have been saying all along that Donald Trump has a path to the presidency.
TAPPER: And she -- you can say "wow" all you want. I have never said that the race was over. We can replay as many tapes as you want.
Let's move on.
CONWAY: OK. Well...
TAPPER: I want to play something that was said on Sunday at that same rally by the chairman of the Nevada Republican Party, Michael McDonald, and by your candidate, Donald Trump. Take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MICHAEL MCDONALD, CHAIRMAN, NEVADA REPUBLICAN PARTY: Last night in Clark County, they kept a poll open until 10:00 at night so a certain group could vote.
It wasn't in an area that normally has high transition. The polls are supposed to close at 7:00. This was kept open until 10:00.
TRUMP: It's being reported that certain key Democratic polling locations in Clark County were kept open for hours and hours beyond closing time to bus and bring Democratic voters in. Folks, it's a rigged system.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
TAPPER: Kellyanne, a spokesperson for Clark County, Nevada, said that folks who were in line before the polls closed were allowed to stay in line and vote. I'm sure you know that that's a common practice throughout the country.
If a whole bunch of Trump voters are in line when the polls close in Ohio, should they not be allowed to vote, or would you want the polls closed only after every single one of them in line at the closing time was allowed to vote?
CONWAY: We just always want the law followed and the rules followed. And I do predict that you're going to see really long lines, serpentine-like lines on Tuesday, of folks there for Donald Trump. You're going to see record turnout in many of these places.
But, look, it's concerning when you hear reports about special favors and perhaps special rules for Democratic voters. We already know that the -- their presidential nominee has special rules for her.
TAPPER: Well, what's the special rules? What's the -- what's the -- I don't understand.
CONWAY: I'm saying that we got reports of that.
TAPPER: If people are in line -- if people are in line when the polls close, they -- the people who are in line at that cutoff time are traditionally, and in some places by law...
TAPPER: ... allowed to vote. You want that to happen on Tuesday with Trump voters.
CONWAY: Right. I sure do.
TAPPER: That's what Clark County was reportedly doing with other voters. So, I don't understand the discrepancy.
CONWAY: We have not been able to -- well, we have not been able -- we have not been able to independently verify that. But I'm telling you that we just want the rules and the laws followed, and that will be fine.
But excuse us that the Democratic presidential nominee is somebody who lives under a separate set of rules than the rest of us. That's very clear. She gets to set up private e-mail servers and lie about it and flout the law...
TAPPER: This is not what I'm asking -- it's not what I'm asking about.
CONWAY: ... and compromise your kids and my kids' national security.
Well, but that's what the voters are focused on, too. We have a report this morning that she has her maid, one of her housekeepers, printing out classified information. Who is this person who...
TAPPER: I don't know what report you're...
CONWAY: ... so selfish and so peevish?
TAPPER: I don't know what report you're -- I don't know what report you're referring -- but my question is, if voters are in line...
CONWAY: It's all over the news. TAPPER: ... at the cutoff time, and the county says, you're in line
at 7:00, therefore, we're going to wait until everybody in line at this cutoff point can vote, what's the problem?
CONWAY: If that is true, if that is true, there is not a problem. But we don't know that that's true. And we will all take a look at Tuesday as well.
But, yes, we just want the rules and the law followed. But, remember, the Democratic Party chose to clear the field.
TAPPER: But Mr. Trump said it was rigged.
CONWAY: And he is saying -- he has been saying that the system is rigged for a long time. And, apparently, millions of voters agree. Apparently...
TAPPER: No, but he was talking specifically about -- you don't have the information. Mr. Trump is saying that the system is rigged with these voters who are American citizens voting.
And I'm just trying to figure out why that's a problem, why that's an example of people -- of anything being rigged. People are allowed to exercise the right to vote as long as they're in time at the cutoff point.
CONWAY: Right. Jake, on that, we agree.
We have now said it four times, because I'm sure it's a better storyline to discuss than the tightening polls and the fact that we're playing following the leader, and Hillary Clinton is following us to Michigan, following us to Pennsylvania, following us to Wisconsin, following us to New Hampshire, all these blue states on her schedule now, for an arrogant campaign that's built -- that's booked fireworks in New York to celebrate her victory on Tuesday night.
She's got the president of the United States running around to blue states that he carried twice just to prop her up. That's actually the big story this morning.
But if we want to say for the fourth time and agree together for the fourth time that, if -- big, big conditional word -- if the law is being followed and people are in line, they ought to be able to vote -- Donald Trump has been talking about a rigged system all along.
His poll numbers started to tighten right after that third debate. And part of it was him talking about a rigged, corrupt system where people just can't get a break. He is the voice for the forgotten man, forgotten woman.
And since then, we have seen the polls continue to tighten, to the point where we're deploying our two best assets, Mr. Trump and Governor Pence, in traditionally blue states that Barack Obama carried twice with well more than 50 percent of the vote, a number Hillary Clinton hasn't seen all along. Why is this woman who starts out with 248 electoral votes unable to
find 22 more? I mean, it's absolutely confounding. She just can't find the extra 22. She's been running...
TAPPER: It's a very competitive -- it's a very competitive race, a very competitive race. And we have been covering the fact that...
CONWAY: Well, we see it that way. We see it that way. That's -- yes.
TAPPER: We have been covering it that way. And we led the show with a senator from Minnesota to talk about the fact that Mr. Trump is going into Minnesota.
CONWAY: He sounded very worried, by the way.
TAPPER: He said he was worried.
CONWAY: He sounded very worried.
TAPPER: Your campaign has created a final two-minute closing ad.
I want you to take a listen to part of it.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, DONALD TRUMP CAMPAIGN AD)
TRUMP: Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American people.
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
TRUMP: The establishment has trillions of dollars at stake in this election.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
TAPPER: It's a populist message. It takes on Wall Street.
Can you tell me one policy that Donald Trump would enact that Goldman Sachs will not like?
CONWAY: He probably -- they -- he probably -- they probably would not like the fact that he is going to renegotiate trade deals and bring jobs back from China and Mexico, make Americans keep American jobs here.
I -- I can't imagine that -- you know, that a lot of people in -- on Wall Street appreciate that. They seem to like the way the policies have been going more recently. And...
(CROSSTALK) TAPPER: Why would Goldman Sachs not -- why would Goldman Sachs -- why would -- I mean, Goldman Sachs, why would they be against trade deals that benefit the American worker?
CONWAY: Well, they don't -- they don't necessarily benefit Goldman Sachs.
But I think, more to the point, when you go back and look at TARP, which we got from a Republican president and it was continued by a Democratic president, Donald Trump would not be for that.
And that benefits all these big banks who don't -- didn't need the help, and, in some cases, were forced to take the money because the government told them to.
TAPPER: Yes, that was 2007-2008 legislation. That was legislation from eight years ago, but...
CONWAY: No, but who is to say that -- right. Well, you guys always want to talk about the Iraq War, which was five years before that.
TAPPER: Right. But I'm talking about, like...
CONWAY: Look, he is going to simulate energy investment.
Is Goldman Sachs -- does Goldman Sachs agree -- and Goldman Sachs is a big place, so let's not -- don't make this an overwrought question and answer.
But does Goldman Sachs want the kind of energy independence that Donald Trump wants, so that we stop relying upon foreign sources of oil, and we start unleashing the energy that is off of our shores and under our feet right here in the U.S., spur economic growth within our communities, do the hydraulic fracturing that is unleashing the natural gas that we have right here?
TAPPER: I don't know.
CONWAY: Are they -- so, there -- there are many different -- well, there you go. Well, there's an answer. In other words, let's ask them.
But the fact is...
TAPPER: But that's not an...
CONWAY: But the fact is, is that Hillary Clinton is a tool of the big banks that gave...
TAPPER: Goldman Sachs is a bad guy... CONWAY: I will tell you one other more thing he wouldn't do, one more thing he wouldn't do. He wouldn't take gazillions of dollars in speaking fees from big banks and then pretend that somehow he's going to regulate them or somehow he's going to be for the people.
I mean, if Hillary Clinton were a legitimately trusted voice against Wall Street...
TAPPER: We have no idea what he has taken in speaking fees. Donald Trump has given speeches for money. He has given speeches for money. But we have no idea how much money because he refuses to release his tax returns. So, that's an issue.
CONWAY: Well, Hillary Clinton -- as CNN has reported, Hillary Clinton has made tens of millions of dollars on speeches. And she gives them for free now.
CONWAY: And nobody seems to want to show up and listen to them.
So, I mean, her crowds look like -- they look like she's a professor giving a lecture.
TAPPER: We know that she's given -- we know that she's made that money because she has released her tax returns. We know that she's made that money because she has released her tax returns.
CONWAY: No, we know -- we know she's -- no, we know she's made that money because the Clintons are all about money.
And we just confirmation that a $1 million gift from Qatar for Bill Clinton's birthday -- look, Americans look at that and they say, last time I celebrated my husband's birthday, no foreign government gave us a million dollars. Nobody said in e-mails we want to make sure that Bill Clinton, Inc., makes about $66 million. That's a lot of money, $28 million from Iraq. I mean, this is just not normal.
And, by the way, Americans, it's not necessary. You don't have to start the next four years under a cloud of corruption and unanswered questions by grifting and gifting among people who always put themselves first. I mean, if that weren't true, Jake, if the American population...
TAPPER: There's a lot of unanswered questions about -- yes, there's a lot of unanswered questions about Donald Trump because he doesn't refuse -- release his tax returns.
He has given speeches for money.
CONWAY: You can look at the Trump...
TAPPER: We're told that. We have no idea what they are, because he won't be transparent with the American people about what -- where his money is or where he's taken money from.
CONWAY: Yes, he's very transparent. There's a 100 -- he's very transparent. Here is what Americans should look at when they see -- here is what they should see when they look at Donald Trump, 104-page financial disclosure form. Everybody can pull it up right now over their morning coffee. And...
TAPPER: The first major party candidate to not release tax returns since 1976.
CONWAY: Well, he's the first major party candidate to truly be outside of politics. And that's what people see. He has built a movement.
Everyone he shows -- he's -- like five stops yesterday. Everywhere he shows, there's just thousands and thousands of people there in those so-called blue states.
But we're supposed to -- and then the media asks, but will they vote? No, they just stood in line for five hours to go to a rally 15,000- strong, but they're not going to show up on Tuesday.
We know momentum and enthusiasm matter. And we know, when people see Donald Trump, they see somebody who is a job creator, a builder, a problem-solver, a fixer, somebody who has got vision and goes to Washington, Jake, owing nobody anything, and certainly hasn't -- I can guarantee you his tax returns don't show millions of dollars from foreign governments giving to his family's foundation.
TAPPER: We have no idea what they show because he won't release them.
CONWAY: Well, we know...
TAPPER: You can't guarantee that because you have no idea what they show, because he won't release his tax returns.
TAPPER: He won't release his tax returns.
CONWAY: Is he under FBI investigation?
TAPPER: So, you can't guarantee anything.
CONWAY: Is he under FBI investigation?
TAPPER: Is he under FBI investigation?
CONWAY: Did he ask his housekeeper to print out national security classified e-mails? I mean, this woman has no respect for the law.
TAPPER: I know that there -- I know that there -- I know that there are investigations by the New York attorney general into Trump University. I know that there's a court case involving Trump University. I know there's plenty of things that Mr. Trump has not answered questions on.
I want to ask you. Mr. Trump is asking the American people to make him commander in chief on Tuesday, just 48 hours from now.
I want to show you what Mitt Romney said on Saturday about U.S. military commanders participating in the Iraqi effort to recapture Mosul from ISIS. Take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: Whatever happened to the element of surprise, the element of surprise?
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
TRUMP: What a group of losers we have.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CONWAY: Well, you know...
TAPPER: How is Mr. Trump going to be able to work with the members of Central Command and U.S. military leaders if he has been calling them a group of losers?
CONWAY: No, he's basically referring to the current commander in chief and his former secretary of state when he says that. He made that very clear in the debates as well.
His problem is that you have got a commander in chief and you have got his former secretary of state who just happens to want to be the next commander in chief having an awful record, according to Mosul, awful record on the -- on the Syrian fake red lines, the Russian reset, the Middle East, Northern Africa several years ago with what was supposed to be a great Arab spring.
They own -- you know, they own all these hot spots around the globe. And -- and people ought to know that. They ought to see not what people say, but what they have done.
And, in the case of Hillary Clinton and her former boss Barack Obama, that has not gone well, Jake.
I don't think anybody can dispute that. If people thought their foreign policy and national security records were so great he -- she would be running away with this.
She would say, look, I've been there. I was in the room. I made these tough decisions. I was secretary of state. Therefore, I'm ready to be commander in chief. Why is she tied among vet -- why is he winning among veteran, military households so handily? He's winning by double digit because people don't trust her to be commander in chief. They think she's disqualified herself. She's unfit because...
CONWAY: ... she runs around with confidential information on some pervert's server, having her maid printing it out. I mean, this is somebody who's totally disqualified herself from being commander in chief based on her own actions.
TAPPER: All right. Kellyanne Conway, thank you so much. Appreciate your time. Good luck on Tuesday.
With the race...
CONWAY: Thank you.
TAPPER: ...this close both Clinton and Trump campaign officials are worried about the effect that third party candidates might have on the ballot. Concerned that they could sway victory in tight battleground states such as New Hampshire.
The latest CNN Poll of Polls nationally shows the Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson and his running mate Bill Weld with 4 percent of the vote, and Green Party candidate Jill Stein with 2 percent, enough to prompt President Obama to issue this stark warning.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Anybody sitting on the sidelines right now or deciding to engage in a protest vote, that's a vote for Trump.
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TAPPER: Here to respond is one half of the Libertarian Party ticket, Bill Weld, Gary Johnson's running mate, former governor of Massachusetts. Governor Weld, thanks so much for joining us.
WILLIAM WELD, LIBERTARIAN VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Thank you, Jake. Pleasure.
TAPPER: So you've said a lot of nice things about Hillary Clinton lately and you made it clear you consider Donald Trump a clear and present danger to the nation.
I know you want that Libertarian Party to get that five percent it needs to continue to go forward and be a thriving American political party. But I have to say sometimes it sounds like you want to endorse Clinton. Is that -- am I reading you wrong?
WELD: Well, you're correct, Jake, that I do want the Libertarian Party to get over five percent in the vote because that would give the Libertarian Party a permanent seat at the table in our ongoing national political dialogue. And I do think one of the issues in this campaign has been, do you like the two-party monopoly, the R Party and the D Party in Washington, D.C.?
We don't like that monopoly. That's the monopoly that kept us out of the debates and deprived us of the chance to run the table. Having said all that, I do see a big difference between the two other candidates Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton.
I do think that Mr. Trump, with all deference, is totally unfit to be president of the United States. I don't think he has the stability to hold up under the constant pressure and criticism that any president is going to face every day that he or she is in office. I don't think he has the temperament to deal with all the many, many stakeholders at home and abroad that any president is going to have to do it.
And, you know, I think it's a measure of how much our politics has sunk this year that when I say anything even faintly civil about Mrs. Clinton -- you know, there are shrieks of outrage. How can he say that? Doesn't he realize that she's the enemy because she's on another ticket? Well, she's not the enemy. She's a perfectly reputable, professional, responsible candidate for president of the United States and deserves to be treated as such.
TAPPER: It's just an odd position you're in, I guess, because you're on one of the tickets and yet you're saying something nice. Like you're reality based. You know that Gary Johnson is not going to be the next president of the United States, you're not going to be the next vice president of the United States. In some ways it might seem to some critics that you're trying to have it both ways. Not endorsing Clinton but you want no responsibility if you and Governor Johnson tip the election in any way to Donald Trump. Am I being unfair?
WELD: Well, I am -- I am on the ticket and tens of thousands of people in the Libertarian ranks have worked very hard to try to get us to this point which is a high point to date for the Libertarian Party. You never know where a vote is coming from.
My belief is that the Libertarian Party polls substantially more from Mr. Trump than from Mrs. Clinton. I'm well aware there was an earlier media boomlet for the idea that, oh, no. All our voters were millenials and we were pulling millenials from Mrs. Clinton. That's not my understanding of what the detailed polling shows.
But, you know, we've got a right to try to draw our vote just as everyone else does. But I have made plain my view of the two candidates and frankly, I think, Mrs. Clinton recently has been receiving a pretty raw deal from people trying to fan the flames that there's some huge FBI new investigation of her email server and, you know, there are obviously Republican members of Congress who are in that hunt. It does appear that there may be some disgruntled FBI agents who appear to think that somehow they've been cheated of their prey.
[09:35:00] That's not how the system is supposed to work. And I think Jim Comey is a real good guy, real good reputation in the Justice Department for a long time. But I do think he made a mistake sending that letter to Congress, which essentially the equivalent of a press release, note quite saying, we're reopening the investigation, because that was not done, but certainly fanning the flames and jumping into the middle of a presidential election with 10 or 11 days to go.
That's not what the FBI is supposed to be about. And it was just a 180-degree violation of longstanding practice and principles of the Justice Department.
TAPPER: Well, governor, are you saying that you think that the FBI director should step down or should resign?
WELD: No, no. No, I'm not saying that.
And you know, I think, one thing has happened everyone is so anxious because this is such a watershed election. It's a conscience election. Everyone is going to remember who they voted for this year.
I think the stakes are so high because the standing of the two major candidates is so disparate. It will be like everyone remembers where they were when they heard about 9/11. Everyone who is old enough remembers where they were when President Kennedy was shot.
I think people are going to look back on this election and really reflect on the vote that they took. I think it's a year when people have to think for themselves and cast a vote of conscience.
TAPPER: Let me ask you about the state of New Hampshire. You're from neighboring Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Take a look at this poll from WBUR TV.
It shows Trump, 40 percent, Clinton, 39 percent, Johnson/Weld 10 percent. So you are having an impact on who might win that key battleground state of New Hampshire and those four crucial electoral votes.
Are you comfortable with the fact that support for you might tip New Hampshire and, thus, the presidency, to one of the candidates and, since you are not comfortable with Donald Trump, what if it is tipping it toward Donald Trump?
WELD: Well, in a way that's conjectural.
But the answer is, yes, I am comfortable with us pursuing the best we can get as a Libertarian ticket. You know, I remind you and the audience, that we are fiscally responsible and socially inclusive. We think that's the best combination of positions and that's one reason why I do think it's important to have the Libertarians have a seat at that table in Washington.
It's not like we would be a threat to the stability of the republic. We don't have a parliamentary system. We have a fix term system in the United States. So you're not going to have an inability because of extra parties to get to a decision on the presidency.
But I think -- I think the Republican Party has a lot to learn from us about being socially inclusive. I think the Democratic Party has a lot to learn from us about being fiscally responsible and balancing the budget, which we have pledged too in our first 100 days. So I think it would be a long, cool drink of water for Washington to have us there. So, I don't feel at all apologetic about us trying to get there.
TAPPER: All right. Governor Weld, good luck on Tuesday. Thank you so much, sir.
WELD: Thank you, Jake.
TAPPER: Donald Trump's last-minute bid for Minnesota along with heavy campaigning in Michigan has many Democrats taking a second look at their traditional blue wall of electoral vote, which is why President Bill Clinton is campaigning there today followed by Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama tomorrow.
So is the blue wall crumbling like blue cheese? CNN's David Chalian is at the magic wall with all the very latest -- David.
DAVID CHALIAN, CNN POLITICAL DIRECTOR: Jake, it is not entirely clear that it is crumbling but it is certainly causing heartache for the Democrats.
We're looking at this upper Midwest region here. Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania. This is the heart of Hillary Clinton's electoral map advantage.
Take a look at the most recent poll we see out in Michigan, 42 percent to 38 percent. That's a four-point race in a state where Barack Obama beat Mitt Romney by nine points. This is too close for comfort for the Democrats. That's why you see so much campaign activity there.
Also out last night, brand new "Des Moines Register" poll in Iowa, 46 percent to 39 percent, a seven-point lead for Donald Trump in Iowa. This causes concern not so much about Iowa, which the Clinton folks already thought was out of reach, but what else is happening around Iowa, if that is happening in Iowa.
Let's go to the electoral map and look at the path to 270. This is the current battleground map, Hillary Clinton at 268, only two shy of 270. Where does she go to find it? Well, they feel pretty good about Nevada. They think the early vote there is really good. That gets her over to 274.
But this is what's critical. If Donald Trump is able to dig into a place like Michigan -- look at that it drops Hillary Clinton down to 258. Where does she go to find the rest? She must get a big battleground prize like a Florida or a North Carolina. That would do it to get her back over 270. But that is going to require some work. That is why you see Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton heading to Michigan in the final days.
They need to keep fortifying that blue wall -- Jake.
TAPPER: So just how worried should Democrats be? With me here, our panel, CNN chief political correspondent, Dana Bash, RNC communications director and chief strategist, Sean Spicer, former Democratic governor of Michigan, Jennifer Granholm, CNN political commentators Van Jones and Alice Stewart. And we're going to bring back CNN political director David Chalian.
Governor, I'm starting with you.
JENNIFER GRANHOLM (D), FORMER MICHIGAN GOVERNOR: Start.
TAPPER: What's going on in Michigan? Is Hillary Clinton going to be able to pull it out? It sounds like it's really tight. Barack Obama is there. So obviously they're nervous.
GRANHOLM: I know. It's awesome. It's awesome. Usually Michigan is like, you know -- it's totally great. Everybody on the ground is so excited.
TAPPER: It's awesome that the president has to be deployed to Michigan.
GRANHOLM: No, I agree. It's awesome.
We love all of the attention. We really do. But here is what I would say is that a lot of -- what has not been covered is that Michigan has early absentee voting.
And in that early absentee vote, Democrats have banked 50,000 absentee votes, meaning they're over what the Republicans have. In fact, the number of absentee votes that we are seeing right now is well over what it was in 2012 for Democrats. So, we're feeling good about that bank. And we also know that Election Day is going to be key.
So I would say one other thing that I think is important to realize. Michigan's demographics are very interesting because you do have a large Arab-American population and you do have a significant Latino population as well. So when you combine African-American, Latino, Arab-American and women, and millennials -- the millennial vote for the -- even in early is up. We're encouraged.
TAPPER: Well, Sean --
SEAN SPICER, CHIEF STRATEGIST, REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITEE: I wouldn't want to put my money in that bank.
TAPPER: Well, let me as you --
SPICER: I'd tell you --
GRANHOLM: All right. Let's take (INAUDIBLE). Right now, right now, right now!
SPICER: Governor, since 1998 a Republican hasn't carried Michigan. The idea that you're deploying the president of the United States 48 hours from an election to go to Michigan says that that blue wall has cracked big time. Iowa hasn't been carried -- was carried twice by Obama, seven-point lead according to the "Des Moines Register." But state after state --
GRANHOLM: Trump is not ahead in Michigan. Trump has not been ahead in Michigan in any poll.
SPICER: Then why are wasting the president of the United States' time then? Tell him to go somewhere else.
TAPPER: Dana, why is the president going to Michigan?
DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Because Democrats in Michigan who are not on television, when they don't have to be, with all due respect, to be very positive are saying, and I've talked to some yesterday, that they're very worried. That they're very worried because it is narrow and they don't want to take any chances.
GRANHOLM: That's for sure. You don't want to take any chances.
ALICE STEWART, CNN POLITICAL COMMENATOR: Speaking of awesome to the governor's point. What's really awesome is two weeks ago Hillary Clinton was leading in Michigan by 13 points. Slowly it has gone from eight to six to five. Now she's only four points ahead in a state where Democrats have won that since 1988. And speaking of on the air, Hillary is putting $2 million on the air in Michigan. That, in addition to President Obama being there, they're worried.
TAPPER: What's going on?
VAN JONES, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Beds are damp.
TAPEPR: You're saying Democrats are wetting their beds?
STEWART: In general.
TAPPER: That's a four-point lead. That's good in the margin of error but scary for Democrats.
JONES: Absolutely. Now I'll tell you why.
There is a crack in the blue wall and it has to do with trade. This is a ghost of Bernie Sanders.
STEWART: Yep. JONES: There is a discontent with some Democratic voters over trade and some blame Hillary Clinton. And so you've got to go back there and shore back up.
But here is the reality. There is a clear case to be made and it's being made by Democrats, to come -- to stay home. Come here. Listen. You don't like where the bus is going, you don't let a drunk guy drive the bus just to solve the problem. There's no point pretending that there's not some concern here.
TAPPER: And let me just say -- let me just say it makes sense that if there is concern that white working class voters who are supporting Trump overwhelmingly in Iowa and Ohio, two states were Donald Trump is favored, are really surging and really showing him strong support, why wouldn't they show up in Michigan?
CHALIAN: That's right. And I also think -- Sean can probably speak to this more than anybody else at the table here but to the power of big data right now -- because what is happening is -- and this is both sides, right? I mean, Robby Mook said, Michigan is tightening. He sees it.
TAPPER: Robby Mook, the Clinton campaign manager.
CHALIAN: The Clinton campaign manager. The Republicans have absolutely on the Trump data side also seen Michigan as a target closing at the end. And what you can do when you have all of this data coming in make this last minute decision. That's why in the final week Bill Clinton twice, Hillary Clinton twice, Barack Obama once -- that kind of fire power would not be sent to Michigan unless everybody --
GRANHOLM: There's -- and there's no question that the polls have been tightening. I don't want to be completely Pollyanna about it.
But I would say to your point, Van, in that very poll that you describe where she's four points up, she gets better marks on trade than he does, by four points. Because people have seen what she has said. Bernie Sanders has been there, campaigning for her and she really has been very clear about wanting to renegotiate NAFTA.
TAPPER: While we're talking about -- while we're talking about Bernie Sanders I want to bring in this tape of a student introducing Bernie Sanders. I believe it was in Iowa on November 5th.
And he actually has to be escorted off the stage by Clinton's Iowa communications director. Take a look.
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KALEB VANFOSSON, PRESIDENT OF STUDENTS FOR BERNIE SANDERS: She is so trapped in the world of the elite. She has completely lost grip of what it's like to be an average person. She doesn't care. Voting for the lesser of two evils, there's no point.
STEWART (ph): Oops.
TAPPER: Got all the millennial vote all locked up, huh?
JONES: Listen, that wasn't good.
SPICER: I think it's awesome.
JONES: That wasn't good and you can't spin that.
But here is the reality. You do have a bunch of young folks who still have heartburn and they have rug burn from the primary. And I think there was a view that -- I think it was a mistaken view, that the young Sanders' voters would act in 2016 the same way that Hillary Clinton's voters acted in 2008. They would come home easily.
And in fact, that has not turned out to be the case. And yet what you're seeing now is a millennial surge. When you look at "Funny Or Die" -- when you look at all the pop icons that are coming out. It's actually starting now to be cool to be for Hillary Clinton. And that's going to make a big difference on Tuesday.
SPICER: The election needs to be kept in perspective. Two months ago it was going to be electoral disaster for Republicans. We weren't going to Senate. We're potentially going to lose the House. Now we are going to keep the Senate unequivocally. I feel really good about that.
SPICER: Look at the states we are competing in. Every single one of them is one that Barack Obama won twice, Florida, Ohio, North Carolina -- yes, Romney got that one, but Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin. We have opened and widened this map like never before.
So it's not just Michigan. It's North Carolina. And it's where they're putting their time and their money. They recognize that we have widened the map. They are on defense. Robby Mook should put the fireworks away because I think it's going to be a late night. And I think the momentum in every single one of those states, bar none, is with Donald Trump and the Republicans. JONES: Not.
BASH: First of all, the Senate, that was a pretty bold prediction. We'll see if that happens. But for --
TAPPER: I wouldn't say it's unequivocal but to say it's unequivocal --
BASH: This is what I want to say, though, on your point. North Carolina, perfect example. I did a story on the millennial vote in North Carolina recently. And there was no question -- actually did surprise me -- how much remaining opposition there was to Hillary Clinton. And it was actually, frankly, people repeating back words of Bernie Sanders.
Saying when people tell you how to vote, don't listen to them. But I said, but it's Bernie Sanders now telling you that. It doesn't matter. So it is residual. And I do think it's kind of as we get into these final hours, the fact that Donald Trump's base is coming home and his people are coming home and Hillary Clinton's having more problems.
TAPPER: Let me ask you, Van, before you say that, President Obama was in Fayetteville, North Carolina. There was a nice moment where there was a pro Trump supporter and he shouted down the crowds, you know, listen to this man. Respect this man. He's allowed to do it.
But there's also a frustration you can hear in President Obama's voice in the crowd not listening to him. Take a look.
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OBAMA: Hey, everybody? Everybody? Hey! Hey! Listen up. Hey! I told you to be focused and you're not focused right now. Listen to what I'm saying.
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TAPPER: He's not just talking about that protester there, is he, Van?
JONES: He's not. But let me say two things about that that was so amazing. First all, he's not running.
I'm just saying. There's something beautiful about that. He was yelling because he wanted the protester, the dissenter to be respected...
JONES: ... not punched, not drag out of here on a stretcher. And so I think that's very, very important.
The other thing is can you imagine what would have happened if that crowd had gotten out of control with the president of the United States standing there or something bad had happened? So the desperation there, I think, also to make sure nothing bad happened on his watch.
STEWART: I think, with regard to that I think the way he handled that was very respectful. Pointing out the fact this was an elderly man. He was a veteran.
JONES: And a veteran.
STEWART: And we need to show respect. I thought that was very good.
But clearly, he is frustrated with the fact that he doesn't have control. And in addition to that, this week, many of the speeches and interviews he has been giving is reminding folks, millennials and all, if you vote for Donald Trump you're basically handing away my legacy. Everything that I have accomplished and done as president he has vowed to take away.
So he is not really being able to promote and tout Hillary's favorable but tout -- and criticize Donald Trump because he is going to lose his legacy. And that's really his message with --
TAPPER: There is frustration among Democrats and it seems, from President Obama, that African-American turnout is not where it was for him in 2012 and 2008, that it's lagging.
CHALIAN: To Van's point, I don't think the Clinton campaign was ever, ever counting on African-American turnout to be at the levels it was for the first African-American president.
And, in fact, what you're seeing is -- I think we need to see what happens on Tuesday. The Latino vote may end up being a critical part of the story line on Tuesday night. If it really does increase as it's over -- Latinos make up a much bigger share of the pie than they did four years ago and it's one of Hillary Clinton's strongest groups in that Obama coalition.
That may make up for a dip for the African-American votes.
GRANHOLM: So -- I just want to come back to the lack of enthusiasm. Just take two states. I mean, North Carolina you all have been reporting that the African-American vote was down.
Why was it down initially was because of voter suppression. They closed down 17 counties, closed down sites, shortened hours. There was this purging of African -- largely African-American votes.
Now, though, over the weekend, they have seen an incredible spike. And so in 2012, Barack African-American got 23 percent of the African- American early vote. And here, now, it's 20 -- this is before all of the numbers are in from yesterday, it's 22.3 percent in North Carolina. In Florida, the numbers are up -- you have been reporting the numbers were down since 2008 but since 2012, the African-American numbers are up 22 percent.
TAPPER: Hold on.
SPICER: OK, so you brought up North Carolina.
GRANHOLD: No. I'm just saying. And Latino -- let me just finish my point on the Latino vote in Florida up 120 percent. So bottom line is that new America is really showing up for Hillary Clinton
TAPPER: Unfortunately -- Sean, unfortunately -- I'm so sorry.
Mission accomplished for the governor.
TAPPER: Who will win the White House based on who wins the World Series. What the Cubs' win might mean for election night. That's next.
TAPPER: While politics may be our current American obsession, baseball is still the nation's pastime.
And while there were definitely two opposing teams, most of America managed to come together for just one night to cheer the Chicago Cubs on to World Series victory. One that was 100 years in the making. It's the subject of this week's "State of the Cartoonion."
TAPPER (voice-over): Our Chicagoan-in-chief celebrated the Cubs victory despite being a White Soxer.
OBAMA: The last time the Cubs had won, Thomas Edison was alive and they hadn't invented sliced bread yet. This is actually for Cubs fans the greatest thing since sliced bread.
TAPPER: Hillary Clinton is more of a fair weather fan.
CLINTON: I have been a fan all my life, started watching baseball with my dad, went to Wrigley Field.
TAPPER: Raised in Chicago, she became a Yankee fan during her tenure as a New York senator. Trump in keeping with his new campaign strategy, said nothing at all about the Cubs victory at first, perhaps worried about offending those in swing state Ohio. Although he did once sing during the seventh inning stretch at Wrigley Field.
TRUMP (singing): Take me out to the ball game
TAPPER: That, of course, was before the owners of the Cubs gave millions to defeat Trump in the Republican primary.
TRUMP: They are focused on the Chicago Cubs. And it's not properly run. What a rotten job they're doing with the Cubs.
TAPPER: Trump seems to have won that game they have since donated millions to his campaign.
As with game seven, the presidential contest is shaping up to be a real nail biter. After a long season of hardball, it's now winner take all.
TRUMP (singing) (ph): For it's one, two, three strikes you're out at the old ball game.
TAPPER: Be sure to watch CNN Tuesday for a special coverage of the election. We will be live all day and all night as the final votes are cast.
Thanks for watching STATE OF THE UNION.
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