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Many Russians Celebrating Trump's Win; President Obama Invites Trump To The White House; How Did The Polls Get It So Wrong?; Challenges Trump Will Face In The Middle East; NATO Leaders Concerned About Trump Victory; CNN Exit Poll: 29 Percent Of Latinos Supported Trump; U.S. Stock Market Up After Trump Win. Aired 3-4p ET
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[15:00:44] HALA GORANI, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Hala Gorani. We are live at CNN London. Thanks for being with us this hour. This is THE
WORLD RIGHT NOW.
One of the most stunning surprises in living memory after Donald Trump defied all odds to pull off one of the biggest upsets in U.S. political
history. The billionaire outsider who's never held public office rode a wave of voter anger right to victory and the sea of red in this map tells
Trump won crucial battlegrounds like Florida and North Carolina picking up far more electoral votes than Hillary Clinton. Even though, and this is
the U.S. system, she is actually slightly ahead in the nationwide popular vote.
Certainly, it was a decisive victory for Trump in terms of the Electoral College. Trump left his combative campaign trail rhetoric behind when he
gave his victory speech in New York yesterday promising to heal a divided nation, listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP, U.S. PRESIDENT-ELECT: Now it's time for America to bind the wounds of division, we have to get together. To all Republicans and
Democrats and independents across this nation, I say it is time for us to come together as one united people. It's time. I pledge to every citizen
of our land that I will be president for all Americans and this is so important to me.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Well, as for Hillary Clinton, she was right on the doorstep of history, but fell short in her bid to become the first female president of
the United States. She says her loss is, quote, "painful, and will be for quite some time."
But Clinton also says her campaign was never about just one person, she is urging all Americans to honor the election results and give Donald Trump a
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER U.S. DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We have seen that our nation is more deeply divided than we thought, but I still
believe in America and I always will. And if you do, then we must accept this result and then look to the future. Donald Trump is going to be our
president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead. Our constitutional democracy enshrines the peaceful transfer of power and we
don't just respect that, we cherish it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Hillary Clinton there. Well, here on CNN of course we give you the up to date world reaction to this very stunning news in political
CNN is covering every angle of this story for you. Clarissa Ward is coming to us from Moscow this evening. Atika Shubert is picking up the latest
from Berlin. Oren Liebermann is standing by in Jerusalem.
Clarissa, first, the reaction in Moscow.
CLARISSA WARD, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Hala, I think it's no secret who the Russians hoped to see win this election even though
in their relentless media coverage of this race, they said that they believe the vote was rigged that Donald Trump would never be allowed to win
the presidency of the United States.
But certainly he is being celebrated here as charismatic, a maverick, and as someone who can improve U.S./Russian relations. Take a look.
WARD (voice-over): This was the reaction of Russia's lawmakers as Donald Trump claimed victory.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Myself and the LDPR party congratulate Donald Trump on his victory.
WARD: Local media too could barely conceal its delight running this clip of presidential lookalikes every hour on state TV. Global markets tumbled
with the news, but Russia's held strong as President Putin congratulated President-Elect Trump.
VLADIMIR PUTIN, RUSSIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): We have heard his electoral slogans when he was still a candidate. He spoke about resuming
and restoring relations with Russia.
WARD: In recent years, tensions between the U.S. and Russia have skyrocketed over Ukraine and Syria and most recently, alleged Russian
hacking of Democratic Party e-mails.
[15:05:10]With the relationship deteriorating to cold war levels, anti- Americanism is at its highest here in years. Russian coverage of the election has been particularly scathing of Hillary Clinton, who has even
been called a cursed witch.
Senator Andrei Klimov (ph) says that Clinton is aggressive and anti- Russian, but that relations could improve under Trump.
(on camera): Do you think that this new Trump era can be a better relationship for Russia?
ANDREI KLIMOV, RUSSIAN SENATOR: He declared already that he's ready for such kind of future. Who knows what's happened, but I do hope that we have
a chance now.
WARD: And he does seem to be quite popular with people on the street here.
KLIMOV: Like in America.
WARD (voice-over): People we spoke to seem to agree.
(on camera): Do you think that he will be a good president? Why do you think he'll be good? I think he will be good this man tells us because
he's been a businessman a long time and has had a lot of success.
This election became a show, his friend says. Maybe with Trump coming to power, that's going to change and people's attitudes will become more
The relationship between the U.S. and Russia may continue to be difficult, but for now, many here are celebrating.
WARD: And Hala, one senator told me, somewhat jokingly, but somewhat seriously that today was actually his birthday, but that he had been given
the best gift ever. At the same time, of course, there is a sense of realism here, people understand that Donald Trump is untried, untested, a
wild card that he could possibly be quite erratic.
So, simply put, people are measuring their expectations, but as you saw just there, they haven't hesitated to pop the champagne -- Hala.
GORANI: All right, yes, quite clear who their favorite was in this race. Thanks very much, Clarissa Ward in Moscow.
Let's crossover to our Orin Liebermann. He is in Jerusalem and one of the campaign promises from Donald Trump he would move the U.S. Embassy to
Jerusalem from Tel Aviv. In fact, we're hearing from the Jerusalem mayor this day asking Donald Trump to keep that promise.
OREN LIEBERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Not only the mayor, but also a number of other right wing politicians immediately right after the election
results started to come in seized on that and said as per his campaign promise, move the embassy from where it is now in Tel Aviv to Jerusalem as
soon as possible, as soon as he becomes president in January.
That would effectively recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital from the United States. That would go against generally the United Nations and go
against U.S. policy going back decades now. But that is what Israel's right wing is celebrating.
The fact that they believe Donald Trump will live up to his campaign promise and do just that. One of the first reactions we got was actually
Israel's right wing education minister, who congratulated Trump on his victory and said the era of a Palestinian state is over.
Meanwhile, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's statement much more down the middle, much more reserved. Here is part what have he had to say in his
message to President-Elect Donald Trump.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER: President-Elect Trump, my friend, congratulations on being elected president of the United States of
America. You are a great friend of Israel. Over the years, you've expressed your support consistently, and I deeply appreciate it.
I look forward to working with you to advance security, prosperity, and peace. Israel is grateful for the broad support it enjoys among the
American people, and I'm confident that the two of us working closely together will bring the great alliance between our two countries to even
May God bless America, may God bless Israel, and may God bless our enduring alliance.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
LIEBERMANN: No mention there of moving the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Now prime minister's office did release a statement saying that
Netanyahu spoke with Trump on the phone and that Netanyahu's office says Trump has invited him to the White House for a meeting as soon as possible.
As for Palestinian reaction, we've heard from Palestinian leaders, both from the president and the PLO secretary general who say, again, very
reserved statements saying and congratulating Donald Trump and saying, they're willing to work with any president that's willing to work towards a
two-state solution and Israeli state next to a Palestinian state.
But they also say willing to recognize East Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital. That is specifically against a promise Donald Trump made during
the campaign in his APEC speech and elsewhere where he said he'll recognize Jerusalem as Israel's undivided capital.
[15:10:03]So that statement sort of a formal statement of congratulations, they may now be looking towards the next 70 or so days where President
Obama has the option of doing something at the U.N. Security Council, perhaps a resolution on settlements. That's what they'll be looking --
GORANI: All right. Orin Lieberman, thanks very much for that reaction from Jerusalem.
Let's crossover to Berlin, our Atika Shubert is there. Tell us what we're hearing from Angela Merkel, what we're hearing from ordinary Germans where
it was quite obvious that their favorite candidate was Hillary Clinton. There must be some disappointment there this evening.
ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely. And quite a bit a shock, I mean, Foreign Minister Walter Steinmeyer earlier
today scrambled to put together an emergency meets on Sunday with his European Union counterparts to deal with what he described as increasing
Chancellor Angela Merkel did put out a congratulations statement. She stressed the enormous amount of responsibility that now rests on Donald
Trump's shoulders and she offered to work with him on this condition, take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ANGELA MERKEL, GERMAN CHANCELLOR (through translator): Germany and the United States are joined by common values. Democracy, freedom, respect for
the law, and human dignity, regardless of skin color, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or political beliefs. Based on these values, I offer
close cooperation to the future president of the United States of America, Donald Trump.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SHUBERT: Those are very, very carefully chosen words, Hala. In many ways, Merkel is sort of the anti-Trump, a strong woman, an accomplished and
experienced politician, but most of all, a devoted internationalists. Somebody who is really supported the European Union and the E.U.'s open
borders and trade policies, not to mention, a very aggressive policy to stop climate change.
All of these things that Donald Trump has threatened to put a stop to. So it'll be very interesting to see how Angela Merkel deals with a Trump
GORANI: Certainly will be very interesting starting in January. We'll see the meetings. We'll see the summits and see what comes of the first 100
days of the Trump presidency starting January of next year. Thanks to both of you. Orin Lieberman in Jerusalem. Atika Shubert in Berlin. And also
thanks to Clarissa Ward, who joined us from Moscow.
So worldwide reaction is what we're covering here in the first few minutes of the program. Of course, in Mexico, there's been a lot of that. Some
people there worried, confused, others say they are angry with Trump's comments about Mexican immigrants and threats to build a border wall and
cancel NAFTA, the trade agreement.
Perhaps no country has been the target of Trump's rhetoric more than Mexico and his election sent the peso to its sharpest drop in almost 20 years. Ed
Lavandera gauges the mood in Mexico City -- Ed.
ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hala, one of the newspaper headlines in Mexico today reads "It's time to tremble." The news of Donald Trump being
elected president of the United States is sending shockwaves here to the country of Mexico where many fully expected Hillary Clinton to win the
But now today on Wednesday, they're waking up to the news that it is Donald Trump who is president-elect. The president of Mexico, Enrique Pena Nieto,
sending out a conciliatory message and statement already this morning to Donald Trump saying that Mexico and the United States are friends.
That they should work together and they look forward to working with Donald Trump here in the future. And the finance and banking officials here in
the country also moving very quickly to reassure Mexican citizens that everything will be OK with the economy.
Overnight hours, the value of the Mexican peso dropped significantly. That volatility we've seen in the days leading up to this election and there has
been a great deal of concern about what Trump's election would mean to the Mexican economy with his talk of building a wall along the U.S. southern
Tearing up the NAFTA deal and those sorts of things has a lot of people here in this country on edge about what it means for the future, the
economic future of this country.
But former president of Mexico, Vicente Fox, who's been very outspoken criticizing Donald Trump over the course of the U.S. election, not holding
back this morning either.
Once again, reiterating that Mexico would, quote, "again not pay for that f-ing wall," something that he repeated several months ago, repeating that
claim again and calling Donald Trump ignorant about economic issues.
So now with the election of Donald Trump official in the United States, the country of Mexico on-edge trying to figure out what's going to happen next
GORANI: Ed Lavandera, thanks very much in Mexico City. Of course, first it seemed impossible in the beginning of the evening, then it appeared
rather unlikely, now though when all the votes have been counted, it has happened and Donald Trump will be America's next president.
Now it did stun a lot of people inside the U.S. and right around the world where Trump is plastered on newsstands all over the place, but here's a
look at the international press reaction.
[15:15:10]In Britain, "The Independent" calls it astonishing to many here, it really is. Over in France as well, "Le Monde" played it pretty straight
despite mostly being against his run. Trump will be America's next president, it reads.
The Dutch magazine, "NRC" went with a couple of quotes from Trump himself including one on bringing Americans together after what has been an
incredibly divisive election.
And by the way, it has to be said, it's really on the evening papers that we're able to headline this because by the time the morning papers went to
print, this is the "Evening Standard," Trump triumph shocks world.
By the time the morning papers went to print, the result hadn't been announced yet. The race had not been called. Many of the morning papers
were actually headlining with something else or hedging their bets with headlines that could go either way.
Now we're going to continue international reaction. We'll also have analysis breaking down the numbers for you right until the very end.
Hillary Clinton looked like the clear favorite. How did these polls get it so wrong? We'll talk with an expert on presidential politics.
And no American president can ignore it, but none of them can solve it. Trump will find the Middle East in a more chaotic state than any president
before him. We'll explore his plan and proposals next.
GORANI: The eyes of the world will be on the White House tomorrow when President Barack Obama meets with the man elected to fill his shoes. Mr.
Obama says he called to congratulate Donald Trump overnight.
He said it happened around 3:30 in the morning, I believe, and says he will work as hard as he can to ensure a successful transition of power.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: We are now all rooting for his success in uniting and leading the country. The peaceful
transition of power is one of the hallmarks of our democracy. And over the next few months, we are going to show that to the world.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Barack Obama there. Well, Hillary Clinton maintained a lead in the polls right up to the end making her loss all the more surprising and
stunning, but many Trump supporters have been predicting that a silent majority of Americans would make their voices heard on Election Day.
Let's bring in Larry Sabato, he's director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia. We're also joined by our own Stephen
Collinson, a senior reporter for CNN Politics.
Larry, you've observed so many of these elections and up until the last minute, every single poll was wrong. What happened?
LARRY SABATO, DIRECTOR, UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA CENTER FOR POLITICS: Yes, not only every single poll, the exit poll on election day was very much off
having Clinton up almost everywhere.
[15:20:04]So, you can only assume that the refusal rate, the refusal to participate in the poll was higher with Trump supporters. Some because
they dislike the media so much.
Some because are the classic shy voters not wanting to identify to friends and to colleagues that they support a Trump or a conservative candidate.
There are lots of other things being considered. Lots of other factors. I think we're going to be studying this for a long, long time.
GORANI: This isn't the first time it's happened in a major election. Of course, I'm going to put this to you Stephen Collinson. You're a British.
It happened in the Brexit vote.
And in fact, Steve Bannon, one of the heads of the Breitbart News, one of the heads of the Trump campaign mentioned Brexit over and over again in a
radio interview saying that he essentially expected it for the same reasons Brexit got through.
Is that what -- how the analysis is kind of unfolding right now in Washington as people try to understand this result?
STEPHEN COLLINSON, CNN POLITICS SENIOR REPORTER: Yes, I think so. Given the fact that all the polls were saying that Hillary Clinton would win.
Given the fact that there's a furious anti-establishment, anti-elite mood in Washington.
I think that's the direct parallel to Brexit and given the fact that Donald Trump supporters were blue collar white working class people, but I think
one thing that we sort of have to look at as well is Hillary Clinton underperformed President Barack Obama in 2012.
We said all along if Hillary Clinton can get the Obama coalition out, she would probably win this election, but she underperformed Obama among the
Obama coalition, women, millennials, African-Americans, Hispanic voters, Asian voters.
So Donald Trump is actually as we stand in the popular vote right now, slightly below what Mitt Romney, the Republican did in 2012, but the real
story in some of these states is that Hillary Clinton underperformed what President Barack Obama did in 2012.
GORANI: Yes, that is interesting. How are things going to change now because as I mentioned, Brexit, but before Brexit, there was the U.K.
general election where none of the polls predicted a majority for the Tory. Now we have the 2016 U.S. presidential election where none of the polls
predicted this outcome. What needs to change here, Larry?
SABATO: We need a blue ribbon commission sponsored by some of the polling groups. We need to work together to figure out how this can be fixed and
there are ways to fix it. Probably using a combination of online polling and live interviewer polling.
We have to really get it right because hundreds of polls were wrong. In the battleground states, nationally, this is not a problem isolated to one
group or one polling agency, it was almost uniform across the board.
GORANI: Let me ask you, Larry, about what happens when Donald Trump becomes president of the United States. He's made promise, pulling out of
Paris climate agreement, for instance going after the relatives of suspected terrorists.
Wondered why nuclear weapon wouldn't be used because after all why would they exist? How much -- I mean, what happens next in terms of him
following through in your opinion, on some of these proposals that he's made that have raised eyebrows to say the least abroad?
SABATO: Well, believe me, there's as much shock and concern here as there is abroad. And let's remember, Hillary Clinton when all the votes are
counted, she will have won the popular vote nationally by quite a margin.
So Trump is going to be president, but just like George W. Bush in 2000, he will not have carried the popular vote. Look to answer your question, one
has to hope that Donald Trump will surround himself with people who actually know how to run the government.
But there's no promise of that. There's no certainty of it and the sorts of people he's mentioned for high office have their own sets of problems
and we'll just have to see thousand develops.
Presidents usually learn relatively quickly in office that making promises on the campaign trail is easy. Actually delivering them is very, very
GORANI: How is the mood in the United States, Stephen, following this victory? I mean, I know President-elect Trump has won the Electoral
College vote, et cetera, but as Larry was mentioning, a majority of the popular vote will probably go to Hillary Clinton. What are you hearing
just a day after this stunning result?
COLLINSON: I think Democrats are absolutely stunned and shocked among many very smart Democrats, for example, David Pluff ran Obama's two campaigns.
They were thinking about an Electoral College vote of 3:30 plus for Hillary Clinton.
What's really surprising about this is look, it's not just the polls that were wrong, but this volunteer Clinton turnout machine, which was built on
the two Obama turnout machines.
[15:25:12]They're so smart with analytics, they lost to Donald Trump who had no real political operation. He just relied on showing up to big
rallies and getting enthusiasm. I think that's what's so shocking for a lot of Democrats.
Democrats are in real trouble, the Republicans got the House, the Senate, the presidency, there's every chance in 28 midterm election they'll expand
their majorities if Donald Trump's presidency is going smoothly.
So Democrats are in absolutely disbelief and there's a lot of Republicans today, especially Republicans who took a lot of heat for working for Donald
Trump who are gleefully saying I told you so.
GORANI: Well, we might see Chris Christie in a big job, Rudy Giuliani. Let me ask you, Larry, finally, Stephen was mentioning the Senate in
Republican hands, the House of Representatives is in Republican hands, and we know that the next president will nominate at least one Supreme Court
justice, possibly two and even up to three. How will that change America?
SABATO: Substantially. This election decided the executive branch, the legislative branch, and even the judicial branch. And so, the Supreme
Court will be turning much more conservative because the newest judge, newest justice as soon as he or she is appointed will be the tie breaker,
basically the court is tied at 4-4.
So one can only presume that that individual will vote with the conservatives and the conservatives will once again have a majority and
within the next four years, the odds are tremendous that Trump will have one or two more appointments to the Supreme Court.
GORANI: Larry Sabato of the University of Virginia, Stephen Collinson at CNN in Washington. Thanks very much to both of you for joining us.
Hillary Clinton called her loss in this election painful. Ahead, we'll hear what supporters are saying after Donald Trump's stunning win. We'll
go live to Washington for more.
And here in Europe, NATO leaders are pondering what Trump's election may mean for the alliance and relations with Russia. I'll speak with a former
NATO secretary general live in London.
GORANI: Welcome back. Our top story this evening, there has been no shortage of shock over the outcome of the American presidential election
and the lead up to the vote, many polls showed Hillary Clinton with an edge. Now her supporters will trying to digest the news and find a way
forward. But they admit, it will be a tough road ahead.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
VAN JONES, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: You tell your kids, don't be a bully. You tell your kids, don't be a bigot. You tell your kids, do your
homework and be prepared.
[15:30:00] And then you have this outcome, and you have people putting children to bed tonight, and they're afraid of breakfast. They're afraid
of how do I explain this to my children? I have Muslim friends who are texting me tonight saying, should I leave the country? I have families
with immigrants that are terrified tonight.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: And that is Van Jones reacting yesterday. He worked in the Obama White House. He's a Democratic strategist, a supporter of Hillary Clinton
in this presidential race. Of course, he is disappointed.
You also saw Jeffrey Lord there who supported Donald Trump and he is very happy this evening. Someone who is probably extremely disappointed is CNN
political commentator and Democratic strategist, Maria Cardona. She joins us from Washington.
All right, first of all, your reaction, Maria, where when you first heard the results and it became obvious that Donald Trump was going to be become
the next president. What went through your mind?
MARIA CARDONA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I was absolutely crushed. Hala, there is no other way to describe it. This was something that I think a
along with the majority of the American people, including frankly a lot of Trump supporters, you know, they thought, we all thought that Hillary
Clinton was going to win.
And it is -- it's so crushing for so many people who worked for it, who really believed that she was the best candidate, who really believe that
she was going to be the best one to lead this country and be the leader of the free world, but you know, this is our democracy, right.
This is our country at work and clearly Democrats and all of the analysts missed something. There is a lot of anger out there. There is a lot of
resentment against the status quo, against leaders who clearly were not focused on what was going on in a lot of the electorate.
GORANI: And that was going to be my next point, Maria. Because really I do wonder when you look at this, are the elites, the academics, the
journalists, the pollsters, clearly living in this bubble of privilege, and incapable really of measuring the true level of support for a candidate
like Donald Trump.
Because it seems as though they really completely, completely missed it and I wonder why is that? It's not just the pollsters. If you travel around
the country, all the yard signs for Donald Trump, et cetera, what happened there and how does the country heal itself going forward?
CARDONA: So to your first question in terms of how it happened, I believe that what a lot of the Trump supporters were saying ended up being true
which was there was this silent, secret Trump voter who didn't make themselves known to pollsters for whatever reason, I think they were made
to feel embarrassed about supporting somebody like Donald Trump.
And they either lied or they didn't say anything, but then on the day of the election they came out and their voices were heard loud and clear. But
Hala, I want to make one thing extremely clear to you and your audience.
And I know that this is probably something that is very confusing because I think even to people in this country it's confusing. Hillary Clinton will
most likely win the popular vote in this country.
She is on track right now, I think she is ahead of Donald Trump by almost 200,000 votes and the states and the precincts and the counties that are
still -- that we're still waiting to come in are Democratic leaning because they're on the west coast.
So this is going to be another one much these elections, the second one in 16 years where the Republican candidate wins the Electoral College and
therefore the presidency --
GORANI: But sadly for the Democrats -- sadly for the Democrats, that's the U.S. system, nobody's talking about -- nobody is talking about changing it.
I wonder, where is the soul searching going to happen here in the Democratic Party?
Because is there the sense that really perhaps this party is not reaching out, is not understanding the real grievances of a big, giant portion of
this electorate. We're talking of course white working class voters among others, but also the Hispanic vote went a lot more in favor of Donald Trump
than anyone predicted.
CARDONA: Actually, actually --
GORANI: Where did they go wrong?
CARDONA: That is not true. Let me talk about the Hispanic vote for a second because it is not true that they went for Donald Trump in numbers
greater than Mitt Romney. I know that's what the exit polls show --
GORANI: But more than expected is what I'm saying.
CARDONA: No, not more than expected. I was talking to Latino Decisions, which is one of the premier polling firms that actually knows how to poll
Latino voters, the exit polls, Hala, are wrong when it comes to Latino voters because the places where they do their exit interviews are not
places of high propensity Hispanic voters.
[15:35:13]So right now with the analysis that Latino Decisions did, the number for Hispanic support for Donald Trump was 18 percent and it was 78
percent for Hillary Clinton. And that is exactly what we had seen in the early vote in the historic numbers that they were coming out in Florida and
in Colorado and Nevada.
And we are seeing that across the board and all of the places where you have a robust Hispanic population. Those are the numbers that showed up
for Hillary Clinton.
But what happened was, in the white vote, especially the white male vote, Donald Trump doubled his percentage of what Mitt Romney got. So, while his
Hispanics came out in record numbers, we can't do it alone. There'll be a lot of soul searching, that's for sure.
GORANI: Well, certainly, no control of the House. No control of the Senate. Of course, the presidency is now e going to be a Republican
President Donald Trump. So we're going to have many, many months, I think, to analyze what happened. This very surprising result. Thank you Maria
Cardona in Washington. We appreciate it.
CARDONA: Thanks so much, Hala. Appreciate it.
GORANI: And what about the Middle East? It's always a question. Every U.S. president has to deal with it and the Middle East is in a worse shape
now than it has been in living memory.
President-elect Donald Trump is going to have a lot to deal with. There are these conflicts in Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Libya, with Washington tangled
up in every single one of them, at least on some level.
And where there isn't fighting in the region, there are massive problems. So, what would a Trump presidency mean for the Mideast? Here's CNN's Nic
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR (voice-over): No previous president has inherited such chaos in the Middle East. A rampant
ISIS, supporting terror worldwide, wars in Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan drawing in U.S. forces.
DONALD TRUMP, U.S. PRESIDENT-ELECT: Total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.
ROBERTSON: And no president has this Muslim region so worried about his intent.
TRUMP: There should be a lot of systems. We should have a lot of systems and today you can do it.
ROBERTSON: Anti-Muslim rhetoric on the campaign trail risks dependability of allies. With sectarian and other tensions threatening an arc of
instability from Tehran to Tunis, President Trump will have his hands full. Adding to the complexity of dealing with tribes and faith, his predecessor,
President Obama arrived with fanfare, a great expectations.
PRESIDENT OBAMA: I'm also proud to carry with me the goodwill of the American people and a greeting of peace for Muslim communities in my
ROBERTSON: Eight years later, Obama is widely viewed as squandering America's standing by drawing down on troops in Iraq too fast, failing to
enforce red lines in Syria, letting President Putin build regional influence. Trump offers a more muscular approach.
TRUMP: I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me. I would bomb the (inaudible) out of them.
ROBERTSON: Iraq's prime minister has welcomed Trump's election. Tweeting, "Congratulations to president-elect, look forward to continued U.S. support
for Iraq in the war against terror."
But smashing ISIS alone won't reclaim its ground loss to Russia and may even help sheer Muslim Iran's growing regional ambitions. They dominate in
Iraq. Threaten the same in Syria.
That's not sitting well with America's Sunni allies, like Saudi, who by billions of dollars' worth of U.S. weapons and support the U.S. fight
against ISIS and hate Iran. The region is a house of cards built on sand.
Turkey is another card in that shaky construct, an ally provides vital air bases, but it's increasingly autocratic president is chasing their own
(on camera): And then there is Europe, a vital help in the fight against ISIS, roiled by waves of refugees coming from and through the Middle East,
pull any card and the house comes down. Do nothing and your enemies gain. Nic Robertson, CNN, Irbil, Iraq.
GORANI: NATO leaders are cautiously pondering what Trump's election may mean for the future of the alliance and the security of Western Europe.
Trump has questioned over the summer he did it America's obligation to defend other countries if they don't pay their bills.
[15:40:08]And some of them are worried about his seemingly cozy view of Russia. Anders Fogh Rasmussen is a former NATO secretary general who joins
us now in London. Thanks for being with us.
Of course, you heard and read what Donald Trump said about NATO, about the U.S.'s responsibility to protect NATO members. But he has questioned this
saying if they don't pay their bills, we might not protect them. Are you worried?
ANDERS FOGH RASMUSSEN, FORMER NATO SECRETARY GENERAL: Yes, I'm very much concerned about this campaign statements because that will undermine the
credibility of NATO's collective security. If you cannot trust America's commitment to defend all allies, then it is not credible.
But I would say, I think we should distinguish between the campaign of Trump and President Trump. And I hope he will realize the president of the
United States can never, ever publicly doubt Article Five.
GORANI: So you think he's going to be a changed man once he steps into the oval office and those were all campaign promises he made in order to get
more votes, you think that's part of it?
RASMUSSEN: Well, of course, you never know, but I took note of the fact that in his acceptance speech today he already distanced himself a bit from
his campaign statements.
GORANI: OK, and that his tone was also different and had kind things to say about his rival Hillary Clinton. But what about the Baltic States? I
mean, they are very nervous after Russia annexed Crimea. They're seeing Russia, Putin's Russia as being very aggressive, expansionist, should they
RASMUSSEN: Well, I don't think they should be worried that Russia will attack them openly because they are members of NATO, they are protected by
NATO, but there's always a risk that President Putin will pursue what I call hybrid warfare. That is sending in small green men, combining with
sophisticated disinformation campaigns.
GORANI: And what -- so -- would NATO be under an obligation to intervene at that stage?
RASMUSSEN: It could be. Actually NATO has decided that for instance cyber security is now part of collective security, which means than it could
invoke Article Five.
GORANI: Yes, we know the Democrats accused Russian hackers of going into the DNC servers and of releasing some of these e-mails that were sent
between Clinton campaign staffers and operatives from the Democratic National Committee.
Let me ask you about Syria because this is going to be the question that any U.S. president would have to deal with. Interestingly, Donald Trump
seems almost more aligned with Barack Obama on Syria than Hillary Clinton.
In that, he sees his only enemy there as ISIS and he's sounded OK with leaving Bashar al-Assad in place whereas Hillary Clinton was call for a no-
fly zone, a very different approach.
RASMUSSEN: Yes. And actually I think President Trump will also be faced with certain realities. So if he is to put America's interests first, then
he will also realize that he needs a more tough minded approach for instance Russia, also President Assad. I think you will have to consider
no-fly zone as one measure to improse and maintain a credible and doable ceasefire that could pave the way for long-term political solution.
GORANI: And I've got to ask you, anything that happens there is going to mean a discussion between future President Trump and President Putin and
they've certainly been kinder to each other perhaps than what Putin has said about the current president or potentially Hillary Clinton in the
White House. Would you think that will be a positive thing? I mean, how do you assess the impact of that?
RASMUSSEN: In a way I think President Trump will experience exactly the same as his predecessor, President Obama, which you all recall, he also
started to reset relations with Russia --
RASMUSSEN: Just to realize during the last part of his mandate that Mr. Putin didn't share that vision. Mr. Putin is the same, he will remain the
same, also under a President Trump --
GORANI: No matter who's in the oval office, Mr. Putin will stay Mr. Putin is what you're saying?
RASMUSSEN: Exactly. So you will need a tough line because the power language is the only language understood by Mr. Putin.
GORANI: Thank you very much, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, for joining us. We really appreciate it here in London.
Well, some in Europe and I'm sure you've heard this, Mr. Rasmussen, are openly welcoming Trump's victory. The leader of France's right wing anti-
immigration National Front Party says Trump's election is part of a growing movement worldwide to embrace conservative values.
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[15:45:01]MARINE LE PEN, FRENCH NATIONAL FRONT LEADER (through translator): The French referendum in 2005, the Greek referendum in 2015, the recent
electoral success of patriots in different European countries, the massive vote of the British for Brexit, and now, Donald Trump's election. These
are so many democratic choices which buried the old worried and so many Brits which can build the world of tomorrow.
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GORANI: Certainly Marine Le Pen is welcoming this election in the United States and hoping that some of that movement will translate into her own
electoral success when France elects it's president next year.
This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Hillary Clinton needed Latino voters to come out at the same level President Obama got four years ago. Well, quite
plainly put, they did not. We take a look why, next.
GORANI: Well, a lot of the talk ahead of Tuesday's election was the importance of ethnic minorities. According to a CNN exit poll, more than
half of white Americans, 58 percent, chose Donald Trump, 37 percent voted for Clinton while 88 percent of black voters went with Clinton, Trump
managed 8 percent of black voters.
Clinton also won a majority of Latino voters, 65 percent, but Trump attracted nearly 30 percent of the Latino vote, which after his
pronouncements on Mexicans being rapists, et cetera, is quite surprising.
Overall 87 percent of Trump voters were white with a small percentage of black, Latino, and other minorities. More than 20 percent of Clinton's
voters were black, 15 percent Latino, and a little more than half white.
So, why did Latinos in particular, this is what we're going to focus on, not rally behind Clinton to the level they were expected to.
Let's bring in Maria Santana. She's a reporter at CNN En Espanol, and she joins me from Raleigh, North Carolina, one of those crucial battleground
states that went for Trump.
You've been talking to Latino voters and what have they been saying about who they decided to vote for in this race?
MARIA SANTANA, CNN EN ESPANOL REPORTER: Well, I think the level of support for Hillary Clinton with the Latino voters and the level of support that
Trump got with Latino voters, I think that's been at least one of the most surprising aspects of this election.
Because if you look at all the polls, if you went to neighborhoods and talked to Latino voters like I did, I went to several battleground states,
the polls never reflected talking to the voters never reflected that Trump would get to 30 percent.
I mean, at most, days leading up to the election, several polls on Latinos still had Trump at about 12 percent. People thought he would get historic
low support from Latinos, but he actually ended up getting more support than Mitt Romney, Mitt Romney got 27 percent in 2012. He got 29 percent.
So that has been very surprising especially when you would see these long lines of voters, Latino voters in key swing states and heavily Democratic
counties. And so there are maybe a couple of reasons for that.
[15:50:04]One, I would say there is a number of Latino voters who, you know, immigration is not their main concern. They are U.S. citizens. They
grew up here. They have businesses here. They want somebody that is going to help them in terms of their business investment.
So immigration really is not something that they worry about. The other aspect, and this is something that I saw when I was covering Latino voters
is that, you know, when you talk about the secret Trump vote, there were secret Latino Trump supporters.
People that felt very uncomfortable speaking to their families or their friends about the fact that they were going to vote for Trump because it
was an unpopular stance to have. While they were not publicly admitting they were going to vote for Trump, maybe went to the voting booth and they
So there are a lot of reasons, but definitely surprising. It was not what the polls showed. It missed these Trump voters and North Carolina, I mean,
the exit poll from CNN says that Trump got 38 percent of the Latino vote here. That is incredibly surprising, even to people working within the
community -- Hala.
GORANI: All right, we're going to be analyzing this as well I think for many months and years to come. Thanks very much, Maria Santana, for that
from the battleground state of North Carolina.
Donald Trump's stunning upset has reverberated around the world, none more so than the country of America's southern border, Mexico. Here's how some
U.S. expats in the country reacted as the results became clear there.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This person's supposed to lead our country with no experience. There's been so much history and news coverage that he's shown
that he's screwed over business contractors, how he talks about women, how he talks about all these races, religion, and I am worried.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We came tonight thinking we had it in the bag and it'd be fun to watch the election coverage. I'm really nervous and we're
both really scared right now to go back to the states. It's also a really poor reflection. I'm embarrassed that -- to represent the U.S. right now.
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GORANI: There you have it, some reaction from U.S expats in Mexico. You could check out Facebook page, facebook.com/halagoranicnn for interviews
Coming up, global markets initially took a nose dive when it became clear that Trump was going to win including Wall Street, but right now, it's a
different mood. We will bring you that, next.
GORANI: Well, investors around the globe expressed shock at Trump's victory with stocks initially taking quite the nose dive. Markets across
Asia and Mexico remain down. Others though have since bounced back. What's going on?
Richard Quest is standing by live in New York with more. So the Dow Jones is up. We saw triple digits after futures were down almost 1,000 points
overnight. What's going on?
RICHARD QUEST, CNN MONEY EDITOR-AT-LARGE: Yes, and not only down about 900 points on the futures, opened Dow just a bit, and then rallied. You can
see that little bit of red in the far left of the graph, at its high point, about 3:00 this afternoon. It was to record the Dow at 16,644.
Now I don't think we're going to close at an all-time record. We're certainly well over that. Why should this happen? You know there is no
[15:55:03]I cannot for life nor money give you a rational reason that explains why you're down 900 12 hours previously and later on up nearly
record territory other than to say, first of all, the fed is unlikely to move on rates in December.
There would be fool hardy to move on rates when there is so much economic uncertainty with such major new policies coming into play. And secondly,
it's just sheer volatility.
If you have the enormous changes that the U.S. economy is going to have in the next 12 months as Donald Trump takes power, then you're going to get
volatility and that's what we've seen to date.
GORANI: So volatility, up 250, might be down 250. Whether you're happy that Donald Trump is elected president or not, there is a lot of
uncertainty here. I mean, because of all the promises he's made, many people say well he's said these things on the campaign trail, doesn't mean
he'll do them.
QUEST: He's got to. He's got to, Hala. He's got to.
GORANI: But I mean a massive trade war with China? Those types of things? Will he keep those promises?
QUEST: It's not the trade war that he'll have, it's the promise to name them as a currency manipulator. It's a promise to enforce --
GORANI: Among other things.
QUEST: It's a promise to redo NAFTA or withdraw. A promise to abandon WTT, massive tax cuts and three bounds of taxation. Promise to completely
open up the energy industry. A promise to get rid of so much regulation.
This economy is about to get a shock of steroids, which in the short term will promote growth, but it will also balloon the deficit, which is another
reason why interest rates are unlikely to move in the near future.
No, you're looking at an economy that's about to go through a fundamental change, like of which we've not seen for 20 or 30 years.
GORANI: All right. We'll have a lot to talk about in the coming years. But you're up -- just to tell viewers a programming note, Richard, you're
not on at the top of the next hour. You're on an hour later today, right?
QUEST: An hour later. So plenty of time to get yourself a strong drink and a comfortable chair.
GORANI: OK, absolutely, just get comfortable in your easy chair and watch Richard Quest. After this show will be more analysis of the U.S. election.
Thanks very much. Richard Quest, we'll see you in an hour's time on "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS" live from New York.
As for me, I'll see you same time, same place tomorrow. This has been THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. You'll have a lot more on the stunning win by Donald
Trump and the U.S. presidential race after a quick break. "THE LEAD" with Jake Tapper is coming up next. Stay with CNN. We'll be right back.