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Aired November 13, 2016 - 19:00   ET

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POPPY HARLOW, CNN HOST: Top of the hour, 7:00 p.m. eastern. I'm Poppy Harlow in New York. You are live in the CNN NEWSROOM. And we begin with breaking news tonight.

Donald Trump, president-elect, making a major announcement, naming RNC chair Reince Priebus as his chief of staff. This news accompanied by a second announcement from Trump that this man, Steve Bannon, his campaign's CEO and the executive chairman of Breitbart News, will serve as Trump's chief strategist and senior counsel. Bannon is a controversial figure.

The news outlet he ran until recently, Breitbart, caters to the alt- right, some of whom have racist and anti-immigrant ideas. And earlier this week, just the idea that Trump was considering Bannon for a top post worry some Americans, including some conservatives.

CNN investigative correspondent Chris Frates is live in D.C. for us tonight. And joining me on the phone is CNN chief political analyst Gloria Borger.

So Chris, let me begin with you on this news. What do we know? Give us the background as to how Trump came to this decision to name these two men. And I should note, in the press release tonight, he calls them equals.

CHRIS FRATES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's exactly right, Poppy. And as we are talking to people involved in this decision, you know, it became clear that Donald Trump kind of separating these two guys to represent two different constituencies, two different sides of Trump, if you will. You have Reince Priebus. He is an insider in Washington, very well connected, good friends with house speaker Paul Ryan, knows Mitch McConnell. Congress really was looking for Donald Trump and the leadership. The Republican leadership in Congress really looking for Donald Trump to pick Priebus and help get his agenda through. He gives him that inside track for getting his agenda enacted.

Now, on the other side, Steve Bannon as you point out, ran the Web site Breitbart. He is a guy who can speak to the conservative movement that really kind of rose up and put Donald Trump in office. He is a guy who oftentimes has more, you know, outlandish there are always living out there on the edge.

And you know, I want to give you a sense of what the Trump campaign is saying. They call, as you point out, both Priebus and Bannon equal partners. And in a statement today, the Trump campaign said Bannon and Priebus will continue the effective leadership team they formed during the campaign, working as equal partners to transform the federal government, making it much more efficient, effective and productive.

So, there you have it, kind of two power centers in the White House, Reince Priebus the insider who can get things done, understands, has relationships with Congress and can help push that legislative agenda through.

Meanwhile, Steve Bannon, a kind of Karl Rove-esque figure, a political strategist, a chief strategist, a guy help manage all of that energy that the Donald Trump movement ginned up during that campaign, trying to turn it into power inside the White House, Poppy.

HARLOW: All right. Chris Frates, thank you very much for the reporting.

Gloria Borger, to you now on the phone. Frankly, the pick of Reince Priebus is getting overshadowed, not just a bit, a lot by the pick of Steve Bannon. Why?

GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST (on the phone): Well, I think Steve Bannon is way more controversial. You know, Reince Priebus is a figure well known to the establishment in Washington, and he will clearly provide the bridge to the Washington establishment to work for legislation that Donald Trump wants to achieve, including the important first 100 days. They are going to drop an agenda.

HARLOW: He is someone, Gloria --

BORGER: Try to figure out what can get done and what can't get done, what he can do through executive action and what he can't. And what Steve Bannon is going to do as a chief strategist and senior counselor is kind of keep in touch with the conservative movement and the populist movement and the right movement in the Republican Party that brought Donald Trump to the presidency.

So, I think one is building a bridge to the establishment, and the other is making sure that there is a continuous bridge to the base of the party, which Donald Trump can't forget, because those are the people that brought him into office.

HARLOW: Gloria, you spoke with Reince Priebus for your documentary on Donald Trump. What did he tell you? What do the American people know about him that we don't already? Because frankly, these two guys did not always get along. I mean, at one point back in April, Donald Trump was so angry about the primary process, he said it's a disgrace for the party and quote "Reince Priebus should be ashamed of himself."

BORGER: Right. Well, to say they have their ups and downs is kind of an understatement. I think Reince Priebus has gotten it both from Donald Trump and from Republicans. Lots of Republicans I talked to said that Priebus really put his thumb on the scale last May when we said Donald Trump is the nominee, period, after being leader in the primary. And that Reince Priebus could have done a lot more to make sure that other candidates got together to try and stop Donald Trump.

I asked Reince Priebus about this last June. And I asked him if the Republican Party was now the party of Trump. And he said to me, I take great offense at your question. I'm offended by it. The Republican Party is not the party of Donald Trump any more than the Republican Party was the party of George W. Bush. So, he kind of recoiled at that notion.

But I have to tell you that it's hard for me to think in many ways that Donald Trump would be president if it weren't for Reince Priebus' get out the vote effort on the Republican Party. I mean, the entire gram game that was run by the Republican Party. It was not run by the Trump campaign, but was run by Reince Priebus' RNC.

And I think Donald Trump is well aware of the role that Reince Priebus played. He is also well aware of the role that Steve Bannon played when Bannon and Kellyanne Conway came on board last summer and helped to turn the campaign around. So, I think he is indebted to both of these men. And I think Reince Priebus as chief of staff is clearly the most important person on staff inside the White House. But don't underestimate the fact that Steve Bannon will have this president's ear.

[19:06:53] HARLOW: Yes, they both certainly will. Donald Trump calling them equals when he made this announcement tonight.

Gloria Borger, appreciate reporting, as always. Thank you so much.

Let's go to my panel now. Joining me, Ryan Lizza, CNN political commentator, Washington correspondent for "New Yorker," Jack Kingston is with us, former congressman from Georgia and a Donald Trump advisor. Brian Stelter is CNN senior media correspondent, host of "RELIABLE SOURCES" is with us.

And Brian, let me just begin with you. Dig in a little bit more to the facts because there's a lot of labelling going around about Steve Bannon. You know, some people pointing to him saying he is anti- Semitic, he is racist. One of my last guest (INAUDIBLE) just said he is a white supremacist. What are t facts that we know?

BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: You know, at the same time I'm hearing from Breitbart staffers and Trump aides who reject all of this. So, yes, there is considerable debate about exactly what we are talking about, who we are talking about here.

I think we can agree on one thing, Bannon is a bomb-thrower. He is anti-establishment. When I was able to speak with him before one of the debates, he rarely gives interviews, so there is a good chance to talk with him for a few minutes. He talked about how the Trump movement is similar to far right nationalist movements in Europe as well. And he is very interested in seeing those movements blossom. So, those are a few of the facts I think we can put on the table, we can know about him.

I think one other thing we need to recognize, whether Donald Trump has anything to do with it or not, we are seeing a rise in hate and harassment. Whether this is at schools, whether this is racist graffiti that has happened since the election.

Now, if you read Breitbart, Breitbart will tell these are hoaxes. These are not all hoaxes. There maybe a couple of cases where people recanted. But we are seeing a rise and hate in the country. We are seeing harassment and things like that. And that is partly because of the sort of vitriol that websites like Breitbart have. And I think we need to acknowledge that. The anti-Semitic hate, and the few other things Ryan Lizza and I are receiving. These are stuff that is not normal and Donald Trump could be doing a lot more to speak out more about it.

HARLOW: We should also note, as Brian you brought up and the court documents from 2007 case. His ex-wife said, you know, in this deposition that he said that he did not like Jewish people.

STELTER: Quote "didn't want to go he is going to school with Jews." Quote "he said he doesn't like Jews." Now he denied that. This was in the middle of a court case, but those are the kinds of quotes that are clearly being on the minds of people right now about ten years later.

HARLOW: And Ryan Lizza, when you think about Breitbart News that he ran, and obviously won't go back running that now that he is in the White House, but here is of the southern poverty law center, which tracks hate crimes said about Breitbart back in April.

Over the past year, the outlet has undergone a noticeable shift towards embracing ideas on the extreme fringe of conservative right. Racist ideas, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant ideas, all key tenants, making up a racist ideology known as the alt-right. Is it correct, fair, choose the word you want, to tie Steve Bannon to this? Now, I mean, this is the site that he ran.

RYAN LIZZA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yes. Look, Bannon -- look, I think there's a difference between Bannon and Reince. And that is, Reince was the RNC chairman, and he would have worked for any Republican that ran this cycle, whether it was Jeb Bush or Donald Trump.

Steve Bannon would not have. He has very, very -- and I spent some time during the campaign talking to Bannon privately. And so I think I have a good understanding of what his politics are. His view of the Republican Party is completely at odds with most of the leadership in the Republican Congress. He wants the Republican Party to be not a libertarian party. He wants it to be on the economic side, focused more on the economically down scale, but he also has overseen this Web site, Breitbart, that has taken -- that has become seized with white identity politics. We call it the alt-right. I think that's a bit of a misnomer. It is white nationalism. If you read the alt-right authors that Breitbart has championed, these are, you know, this is standard white nationalist rhetoric. Bannon is also very interested in forging a sort of global alliance with the far right parties in Europe, whether they're in Germany or France or the UK --

[19:11:09] HARLOW: So Marie Anne La Pen in France or Nigel flag in the UK, yes.

LIZZA: That's right. And their view is a sort anti-globalist, anti- elite, antiestablishment ethnocentric party. But you can't ignore the fact that at the core of what he believes is about white identity and that there is a racial element here. And I think if you've been reading Breitbart over the last few years, the change in Breitbart really happened in 2013, during the immigration debate.

HARLOW: Let's show some of those headlines as they get to the congressman here. Some of the headlines on Breitbart today. Meltdown continues, wave of fake hate crimes sweeps social media," and "anti- democracy crybabies march by the thousands nationwide." now to speaking about if it's anti-Semitic, look, this is a headline about a conservative. It is a Bill Kristol: Republican spoiler, renegade Jew.

Congressman, to you, you're not concerned about the Bannon pick and think these claims are unfounded. Why?

Well, when you quote ex-spouses and when you quote the southern poverty law center, which is a left-wing group that is always going to find a way to attack conservatives with inflammatory language of their own, and then when you talk about recent headlines in Breitbart, which he has not been working with Breitbart, he has been with the Trump campaign --

HARLOW: So how much the conservatives about conservatives who are very concerned tonight? I mean, Brian listed some of them, including Kasich's advisor, weaver, including Ana Navarro, who's a friend of yours.

JACK KINGSTON, FORMER U.S. CONGRESSMAN: And both good friends but anti-Trumpers. And I understand that. But I think what the left has to accept is that Donald Trump won. He has the right to pick out his own team, subject to the Senate approval when they are a key adviser, according to the constitution. But I also believe that just as we had to do as Republicans, as conservatives, is give Barack Obama his team and give him his chance to implement his agenda and then decide if we are disappointed or not.

For example, Barack Obama put Ray LaHood, a Republican, on his cabinet. George Bush put Norm Mineta, a Democrat, in his cabinet. I believe that Donald Trump will not only have a racially and philosophically diverse cabinet, but I think that many of those protesters are going to actually say, you know what, this is different.

Because one thing that Brian is saying, and I really -- I think white supremacist? But is this movement antiestablishment? Yes, it is, because these are the 94 million people who are underemployed or unemployed. They are the 43 million people who are on food stamps. There's the middle-class people who have seen their household income shrink.

HARLOW: All right. I have to leave it there.

Thank you all, Ryan Lizza, Brian Stelter, former congressman Jack Kingston. Appreciate the conversation. LIZZA: Thanks.

STELTER: Thanks, Poppy.

HARLOW: Coming up next, we are going to shift gears a little bit, basketball hall of famer, a legend, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, obviously now very politically active and outspoken, a critic of Donald Trump, now the president-elect, throughout the campaign season. He will join me now. He wrote this week he is feeling "the rage of betrayal and hopelessness." We will ask him about that.

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[19:17:33] HARLOW: Well, as Donald Trump's inner circle starts to takes shape, all is not calm across the country this weekend. Look.

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CROWD: No KKK, no fascist USA!

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HARLOW: That is one of the protests in Seattle. We have seen similar protests all weekend in New York City, Los Angeles, Portland, Oregon, Indianapolis, and Chicago. These people unhappy with the result of the election. The other half of America jubilant, thrilled about the outcome of the election.

Joining me now from Los Angeles, NBA hall of famer, 12-time "The New York Times" best-selling author Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, also a columnist for "Time" magazine.

Thank you for joining me. And your new book, sir, "writings on the wall: searching for a new equality beyond black and white." Thank you for joining me.

Kareem, you write in your opinion piece in the "Washington Post" this week quote, let me read this.

It is difficult to link arms when the embraces the leadership of a racist. Now we have what have you got to lose, a non-policy that bulldozes the path to rubble." As Americans took to the streets for a fifth straight night of protests, what do you ultimately want to see come in the wake of this election?

KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR, NBA HALL OF FARMER: Well. , what do I want to see -- I'm sorry, I missed the last part of your question, Poppy.

HARLOW: What do you want to see, Kareem, as a result of this election? What do you want to see happen in America? Because right now as we are seeing on the streets, it's an America divided. JABBAR: Well, I would like to see that return to the protection of

the voting rights act that enabled a lot of people to become enfranchised and have the opportunity to vote.

This past election we saw a lot of Republican legislatures across the country do everything they could to inhibit poor people and people of color from participating in a Democratic process. And that has resulted in what we have to deal with now. And I think that we have to return to the protections of the voting right act so that all the people who have the right to vote in this country can have the opportunity to vote. And that won't happen without the protection from the federal government.

HARLOW: That's what those laws, for example, in North Carolina, were struck down.

[19:20:03] JABBAR: Some of them were struck down, but the fact that they were so precisely targeted to people who vote Democrat, it had a profound effect on this election. And I don't think that this election would have come out the same way, had those voter suppression activities not taken place.

HARLOW: Kareem, I think anyone who stayed up late and watched "Saturday Night Live" last night and watched Dave Chappelle's opening monologue was struck by this. Let's play it.

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DAVE CHAPPELL, ACTOR/COMEDIAN: I'm wishing Donald Trump luck. And I'm going to give him a chance, and we, the historically disenfranchised, demand that he give us one too.

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HARLOW: That's Dave Chappell saying he will give president-elect Trump a chance. Hillary Clinton, President Obama have called on the American people to do the same thing. Do you feel that way? Will you do the same?

JABBAR: Well, I'm not doing anything to try to inhibit Mr. Trump from governing. That is his job now because he won the election. But I do hope that people who were disenfranchised in the process of the campaign get their voting rights back, because we will definitely have to have a reckoning on this, and that reckoning takes place in the ballot box. And when you have policies being enacted that keep people from participating, it skews the results.

HARLOW: You wrote in the "Washington Post" this week that you speak, this is a quote "you speak with the rage of betrayal." Who or what do you feel betrayed by?

JABBAR: Well, I think that the process has betrayed us because the fact that the voting rights act was put in place enabled black Americans and a lot of other Americans to participate. And that's been tampered with and we're having funny results as a consequence of that. So I don't think we can ignore that. When somebody comes along that can show me that all the people who

want to register to vote and who are American citizens get that opportunity, then I will have to accept the outcome of whatever election it is, because everybody had a chance to make their choice known. But I don't think that happened in this election.

HARLOW: So, let me ask you about that, because clearly, you're talking about the importance of every American voting. You came out and you supported San Francisco 49er quarterback Colin Kapernick (ph) for taking a knee during the national anthem in protest to racial inequalities.

JABBAR: Yes.

HARLOW: He was asked this week if he voted. He was asked this on Tuesday. And he said no. Do you support that?

HARLOW: Well, if he doesn't want to participate in a democracy, he has that right. He has made his thoughts known by his demonstrations. Maybe he feels that that's what he's limited to. You're going to have to talk to him about that, Poppy. I don't know. He didn't discuss it with me.

HARLOW: All right, Kareem, we are going to take a quick break. You are going to be with me on the other side. We have a lot more to dive into here. Stay with us, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is next.

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[19:27:03] HARLOW: Back with me, NBA legend, best-selling author Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

And Kareem, you have been very outspoken politically throughout this election in opposition of now president-elect Donald Trump. Let me ask you this, from the perspective of a Muslim American. If Donald Trump ran on this Muslim ban that he put out there during the campaign, and he definitely put it into the public lexicon, but ultimately does not make it part agenda, would that be enough for you to feel more his presidency? Or on that front, has the damage already been done?

JABBAR: Well, I don't know, Poppy. I think there's a lot of damage that has been done, but a lot of people are hopeful that common sense and civility will dominate here. So you know, we just have to wait and see. I'm not going to try to prognosticate and be a pundit on this. I don't know enough about the man or what his agenda is to comment on that, but I'm hoping for the best.

HARLOW: Let's talk about the protests. We are seeing now a fifth straight night of these protests, these anti-Trump protests in major cities across America. I mean, at one point, they closed down the 101 in Los Angeles in the middle of the night. And I wonder if you think -- what you make of it. A lot of the chants are "you're not my president, you're not my president." when you want to achieve - every American wants to achieve the hallmark of democracy, right, the peaceful transfer of power. At the same time, they are exercising their first, you know, their rights to free speech. Most of the protests have been peaceful. There has been some violence. How do you square the two?

HARLOW: Well, it's kind of I think that demonstrations get a message out across, but I think political organization and really having a message that resonates with your political party I think is a lot better path to try to follow. And it's one that can win in the ballot box. And that's where this has to be fought. It can't be fought on the street streets. That's just a place where opinions are exchanged. But in the ballot box is where real progress or the destruction of progress, that's where that takes place also.

HARLOW: So, your message to them is focus this energy on the next big election in two years, not for the presidency, but obviously for a lot of seats in Congress.

Is there, help me understand this. How does America get to the point where somebody with the ideology of you, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, can work with someone with the ideology of president-elect Donald Trump? Because it won't come from shouting, right? Where does it come from?

[19:30:00] JABBAR: I don't know. And I just wrote a book called "writings on the wall," where I talk about trying to establish a dialogue. And I think dialogue is the only way that middle ground is found, and that has been the case historically. I don't think that's changed very much.

HARLOW: When you look at your hopes for everyone to feel welcome, I mean, I think that has been one of the big things that it divided this country during this election, is that people don't feel welcome, whether it is people that feel as though they were discriminated against with the rhetoric of Donald Trump's campaign or whether it is people who support Donald Trump, who heard Hillary Clinton describe them as a basket of deplorable. Where do we go from here, Kareem? So much of your life post NBA has been focused on race relations and focused on writing exactly this. What is your hope?

JABBAR: Well, my hope is that we get a chance to understand and appreciate our fellow citizens and communicate with them in a way where we n solve problems. That has to be what the focus is in this country. We can't expect that we can only talk to people who think like we think. There's a great diversity of opinion and a great variety of ideas about how to make positive change, and we have to listen to everybody.

HARLOW: So, as much as you have opposed the, you know, candidacy of Donald Trump, he is now our president-elect. If he were to pick up the phone, Kareem, and call you and ask you to come to the White House to help him on certain issues, help him on race relations, for example, what would you say?

JABBAR: I don't know. I'll have to wait until that happens before I figure that one out.

HARLOW: All right. I appreciate your time tonight, Kareem Abdul- Jabbar. Again, his new book is fascinating, "Writings on the Wall." thank you so much.

JABBAR: You're welcome. Nice talking to you, Poppy.

HARLOW: You, too.

All right, still to come, on the campaign trail, Donald Trump calls for the complete repeal and replacement of Obamacare. So, what would happen if he follows through? What would it be replaced with? How feasible is that considering 20 million people are covered by it now? We will ask one of the architects. Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel joins me live next.

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[19:35:32] HARLOW: Obamacare is a disaster. Those are the words of Donald Trump during the campaign, but is the president-elect open to negotiating on Obamacare? He might be, because this is what he just told "60 Minutes" in a new interview.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let me ask you about Obamacare, which you say you are going to repeal and replace. When you replace it, are you going to make sure that people with preconditions are still covered?

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT-EJECT OF THE UNITED STATES: Yes, because it happens to be one of the strongest assets.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You're going to keep that?

TRUMP: Also with the children living with their parents for an extended period, we're going to --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You're going to keep that?

TRUMP: Very much try and keep that. Adds cost, but it's very much something we are going to try and keep.

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HARLOW: Then this morning on "FOX News Sunday," Trump's campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, doubled down on the campaign pledge to completely repeal and replace it. Here's what she said.

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KELLYANNE CONWAY, TRUMP CAMPAIGN SENIOR ADVISOR/GOP POLLSTER: He also has talked about convening special session on January 20th, after he is sworn in as president of the United States, to do this very thing, to repealing and replace Obamacare. It would be a pretty remarkable move. So, what you see with Donald Trump is what you get. And I believe that's why the voters gave him this election and this mandate.

(END VIDEO CLIP) HARLOW: Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel joins me now. He was one of the chief architects of the affordable care act. He is currently chair of medical ethics and health policy at University of Pennsylvania and a former adviser for health policy at the White House.

Thank you for being with me.

DR. EZEKIEL EMMANUEL, OBAMACARE ARCHITECT: Good to be here.

HARLOW: So, listen to Kellyanne Conway. I mean, if they were to repeal it completely on day one of his presidency, on inauguration day, what happens to the 20 million people covered by it today?

EMMANUEL: Well, if they truly just repeal the whole thing, they will be out of luck and they will be out of insurance. And some of them, no doubt, will suffer, and some of them might even die. And that's, you know, one reason I'm pretty convinced they are not going to repeal it on day one.

And remember, the Republicans have had six years now of trying to come up with a replacement bill, and they have never introduced a replacement bill that can stand scrutiny. And they don't have a replacement bill that they could pass also on January 20th to ensure that all 20 million people got covered.

It would be pretty much a disaster for the country, certainly for the 22 million people who have the coverage, but it would send the insurance industry into a tailspin. Hospitals would be very, very adversely affected. Doctors would be adversely affected.

HARLOW: Dr. Emanuel, I mean, some of the major, major insurers, as you know, have pulled out of the plan because of the cost. I mean, and you have admitted that the Obama administration did not do a good, enough job selling this to the American public from a PR standpoint.

Regardless of how it was sold, there is major sticker shock. You have got the average premiums across the country up 22 percent in 2017. In Arizona, they are rising 116 percent. Now, to be fair and clear, in Massachusetts, there's going to be a decrease in premiums next year. Some big states like California and New Jersey, the premiums are going to go up less than 10 percent. But did you and the team that created this expect such a spike in premiums?

EMMANUEL: Well, first of all, let's be very clear. In 2014, when we had the first year of premiums, they were much lower than expected. And if you look at the projections of what we were going to be May in 2014, we were right where the premiums would be in 2017 this year. So, the increase is to rebound from lower cost, from lower premiums initially. But let's can honest --

HARLOW: But it's not affordable for some Americans.

EMMANUEL: Let me just be clear, those people who are in the exchange, who get subsidies, they are being held harmless by this. But we all agree. Health insurance is too expensive. It's too expensive for companies, it's too expensive for individuals in the exchange. I have worked for, you know, the last ten years to try to get health care costs down. The only way to sustainably get health care costs down are by two things -- first, get health care costs down. That will keep the premiums down. And the second is to get more people, to get the whole country, really, in insurance, including healthy people as well as sick people.

HARLOW: You said -- I know you don't want to see Obamacare repealed, but you know, we have got a Republican house, Republican Senate and a Republican president-elect, and you said on CNN quote "I worry the simple solutions are going to replace it without the details, and they are going to disappoint a lot of Americans."

[19:40:12] EMMANUEL: Yes.

HARLOW: You also said to Megyn Kelly that you did wish that there had been a CEO-type person in charge of really getting this through and overseeing it all. So, if there is a redo, who should run it?

EMMANUEL: Well, I don't know -- it depends what the "it" is, and we have no idea what the "it" is.

HARLOW: OK.

EMMANUEL: When I said the CEO person to run it, what I meant was, and what I said very explicitly is the exchange and the online marketplace is something that the federal government doesn't have experience running. And we needed someone with electronic marketplace experience, like running Zappos or REI. That is what we needed for the online exchanges to make them run efficiently. That's when I said the CEO. I don't know what Donald Trump is planning for the replace. Notice he never said on the campaign trail what the replacement bill is. And as I have said, the Republicans have never said what the replacement bill is.

HARLOW: But Paul Ryan was pressed on it this morning by my colleague, Jake Tapper, about specific things such as contraceptives that are covered by this, for example. And Paul Ryan said look, I'm not going to talk in hypotheticals because this isn't written yet. Look. Donald Trump has said to "60 Minutes" in this interview that is open to keeping those people with preexisting conditions covered and younger people on their parents' plan until they are 26.

EMMANUEL: Right.

HARLOW: If there were one more thing, doctor, the architect of Obamacare, that you say is imperative that is kept, what is it?

EMMANUEL: Look, it's not one thing. Those two planks are not a plan. And just let's be really clear, if you're going to have people with pre-existing conditions able to buy insurance at a reasonable price, you have to have a mandate. Those two things are inextricably linked. And so, if he is going to say, yes, we are going to allow people with pre-existing conditions to buy insurance at a reasonable price, he is going to have to have a mandate so everyone buys --

HARLOW: So you don't buy the high-risk pool that they think. You think it's too expensive?

EMMANUEL: They are totally inefficient. The estimate is you would have to spend $25 billion just for three million people over the course of ten years. They are terrible idea. They really don't work. You will not get everyone who has a preexisting condition insurance. That is not a viable alternative. And you need a viable alternative.

Look, I think the combination of having the exchanges and stabilizing them -- and I have had a list of things we need to do to change them, which are all doable -- and expanding Medicaid is, you know, what we have to do. If we are going to change off that, we have to give people subsidies to afford insurance and some marketplace or mechanism for them to buy insurance. Those are the things you need for universal coverage.

HARLOW: Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, I wish we had more time. As you might have noticed, we had quite a bit of news tonight. So we will have you back on the program because I'm sure we are all going to talk a lot more about this.

Thank you, doctor.

EMMANUEL: I mean, the American public has to understand. You can't just cherry pick what you like and ignore the mandate.

HARLOW: I have got to get a break. Thank you. I appreciate your time tonight.

Quick break. We will be right back.

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[19:47:02] HARLOW: Welcome back.

In the middle of Manhattan, the president-elect's home and business headquarters, Trump tower has been turned into a heavily guarded fortress. The difficulty of keeping the skyscraper secure in the middle of protests has sparked a debate between the secret service and the NYPD.

Our Phil Mattingly is there to set the scene for us - Phil.

PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Poppy, in the wake of what has been an extraordinarily divisive campaign season, there's no shortage of issues that the secret service has been concerned about, but perhaps none more so than where we're standing right now. That's where Donald Trump, the new president-elect, is continuing to stay in the wake of his election, right in the middle of the city, right in t middle of a major thoroughfare. It causes major problems for security.

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MATTINGLY (voice-over): Tonight the residence of the president-elect, Trump tower, is a fortress ringed by tight security, the center of an increasingly worrisome question. How do you secure a 58-story skyscraper smack in the center of one of the world's busiest cities? It's a question made even more difficult by the fact the building's atrium is a public space, increasingly difficult to monitor, law enforcement monitors say. And the building itself a target as recently as this year of a suction cup climber, seen as potentially vulnerable to any number of threats from surrounding towers and streets.

TOM VENN, FORMER NYPD DETECTIVE: Because it is so dense, you know, the damage you could cause is potentially immense. So, it's going to be - they are going to have their work cut out for them here for quite some time.

MATTINGLY: The FAA already moving to protect it from the air, issuing temporary flight restrictions that extend nearly 3,000 feet up and two nautical miles out. In the wake of election night, new cement barriers and sand-filled dump trucks lined busy Fifth Avenue, pushing cars and the public further away. Now a secret service presence throughout the building and a regular presence of more than 100 NYPD officers surrounding the property.

A debate between secret service and NYPD officials still ongoing over even more restrictive actions to take. Concerns exacerbated by the now constant presence of protesters. The group now given their own pen across the street from the building's main entrance.

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MATTINGLY: And Poppy, the word you hear continuously when you talk to law enforcement officials about the security in front of Trump tower is evolving. Sure, they have shut down some streets. The have added new barriers. There are more NYPD officers and t service agents than there ever have been, but that's only going to increase in the days and weeks ahead. The air space is shut off until January 21st, the day after inauguration. When you talk to law enforcement officials, they make very clear, it is restrictive right now. If they had it their way, it would be far more restrictive. In fact, if they had it their way, Donald Trump wouldn't be staying here at all - Poppy.

HARLOW: Phil Mattingly for us in New York. Thank you, Phil.

Quick break. We will be rig back.

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[19:53:39] HARLOW: Tonight marks one year since 130 people lost their lives in coordinated terror attacks across Paris. Our Melissa Bell introduces us to some of the victims of the Bataclan attack, where 89 people died and those victims, they were wounded are writing to cope with heir trauma.

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MELISSA BELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It was the most violent attack on French soil in more than 70 years. A 130 people were killed, 89 in the Bataclan alone. Among them, 28-year-old Lola, whose father, they still bereft, has found some comfort in words. GEORGES SALINES, DAUGHTER DIED IN BATACLAN: It was not a way of

putting to life because I know she is dead and she will not come back. But it was a way of thinking about the fact that her life was maybe short, but it was a full life, full of happiness. I hope she didn't suffer or see or even she didn't maybe see her death coming. My book starts with the word absurd, because it's perfectly unjust.

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[19:55:15] BELL: This was the Bataclan moments before the attack. The picture was taken by Denys Plaud. He was one of those lucky enough to walk out of the Bataclan alive.

DENYS PLAUD, BATACLAN SURVIVOR: The hardest point, it was when the emergency crew arrived after three hours of waiting. There were corpses and blood everywhere. There was no way but to look at death and its ugly, bloody side. The only way to recover was to fine into myself the inner strength, and that's one of the reasons why I wrote this book.

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BELL: Words, say the survivors, have helped them to speak the unspeakable, but mostly, to share it with the only other people who can really understand those who lived firsthand the terrible events of one year ago.

Melissa Bell, CNN, Paris.

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[19:59:13] ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.

HARLOW: Breaking news tonight. In his interview with "60 Minutes," president-elect Donald Trump refused to say whether or not he would ask for director Comey's resignation as head of the FBI, saying quote "I think that I rather not comment on that yet. I haven't made my mind up. I respect him a lot. I respect the FBI a lot." And then when Trump was asked about leaks coming from within the FBI, he said, "well, there has been a lot of leaking. There's no question about that. But I would certainly like to talk to him and see him. This is tough time for him and I would like to talk to him before I would answer a question like that."

Thank you so much for being with us tonight. Certainly a lot of breaking news. We will have much more for you ahead on "NEW DAY." But ahead for us tonight, the greatest sushi chef in America takes our Anthony Bourdain back to where it all started "PARTS UNKNOWN, JAPAN" TONIGHT AT is" eastern.