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Man Set To Replace Mugabe Promises Democracy; Argentina: Explosive Sound Heard When Submarine Went Missing; Trump Thanks U.S. Military Members For Service; Trump Defends Republican Senate Candidate Roy Moore; Congressman Suggests Photo Leak Is "Revenge Porn"; Turkey Helping Rebuild Town Cleared Of ISIS; U.S. Fighter Pilots Train For First Response; Military Grants Mugabe, His Wife Immunity; Morgan Tsvangirai: We Always Wanted Mugabe Out; Argentina: Explosive Sound Heard When Sub Went Missing; African Union Responds To CNN Reporting In Libya. Aired 3-4p ET
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HANNAH VAUGHAN JONES, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: -- Zimbabwean president will get to stay in the country. We'll have all the details and hear from
opposition leader, Morgan, Tsvangirai, this hour.
Also, a grim clue is found in the search for missing submarine. We are live in Argentina for the very latest.
Plus, a very Trump Thanksgiving, we'll check in on how the U.S. president is spending his holiday.
Robert Mugabe is out of power, but the military says his safety in Zimbabwe is guaranteed. A spokesman for the Defense Forces told CNN, they've
reached an agreement with Mugabe and his wife to grant them immunity. It means they can stay in Zimbabwe without facing any charges.
Mugabe has been accused of masterminding attacks from the opposition in the 1980s in which up to 20,000 were killed. He is also in the past been
accused of corruption. Well, Former Vice President Emmerson Mnangagwa is set to replace Mugabe as the interim president on Friday.
Mnangagwa himself has promised a new opening for Zimbabwe as a democracy, something the leader of the opposition doubts as he told our Christiane
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MORGAN TSVANGIRAI, ZIMBABWEAN OPPOSITION LEADER: Knowing Emmerson Mnangagwa, his character -- you will have to work very hard to change his
character so that he can define the future of the country and define his future as a Democrat, as a reformer. That I doubt, but at the same time,
he knows that he cannot continue on the same path Mugabe has traveled, and still expect the nation to respect him.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
JONES: We'll bring you much more from that interview with Morgan Tsvangirai later on in the show. But in the meantime, let's go to our
Farai Sevenzo, who is in the Zimbabwean capital, Harare, for us.
Farai, is Emmerson Mnangagwa, the man who will be next president, is he capable of shedding his crocodile skin in leading this country to any sort
FARAI SEVENZO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, there's been an injection of energy in the Zimbabwean leadership since Robert Mugabe
stepped away a day or so ago. It is -- Emmerson Mnangagwa's wish that -- to invite investors to bring jobs, jobs, jobs, to use his words.
And of course, you must remember, though, that he is a man who has a fearsome reputation and he has already began to try and change that. He's
talked a lot about God, about how God has been looking out to Zimbabwe.
He keeps on referring to God in his first speech yesterday, which lasted about 12 minutes long. But this is what we are going to find out about the
poorer areas of Harare mainly end these struggles. And we met several young people who told us what they thought of the new man.
SEVENZO (voice-over): This is (inaudible), one of Harare's oldest townships. Robert Mugabe and (inaudible), the founding fathers of the
ruling ZANU-PF have lived here. Now, it's a stronghold for Morgan Tsvangirai's opposition party, the Movement for Democratic Change, and life
here is about survival.
The jobs are informal, mechanics, market women, barbers, and a great deal of unemployed teens hustling.
(on camera): It's knowledge (inaudible) opposition area ideals. This is where Robert Mugabe's people did their "Operation (inaudible)," which means
clear out the filth. And they raised people's houses on the (inaudible), but the aim really was to smash the newly formed Movement for Democratic
Change opposition support base, which is all over here.
(voice-over): Maxford is one of those who had his home destroyed in 2005. The father of three used to be a bank manager. Now, he like so many others
have no job.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All these years, I have been working in the bank for 19 years as a manager. (Inaudible).
SEVENZO: He is desperate for a chance to vote for change, freely and fairly.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We must hear both of them. Mnangagwa and Tsvangirai, they must come together, work together, bring the reforms (inaudible).
SEVENZO: Unfair because people are so euphoric and right now incoming President Emmerson Mnangagwa has the edge. The boys at the barbershop are
optimistic. In fact, Nasha (ph), George, Maesa (ph) and Arthur, can't even believe they are allowed to speak to us.
(on camera): He is saying if Mugabe here -- if they'd be seen like this, they would be beaten out for talking to us.
[15:05:05] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's only that people wanted change. (Inaudible) that things will change.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Inaudible).
SEVENZO: Everything is back to normal.
(on camera): These school girls tell us they also believe the future has suddenly brightened with Robert Mugabe's departure. Still it's in areas
like these who are ignored and proud, where the real test of change will be measured.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Inaudible).
SEVENZO: And there you have it, Hannah, people believe -- they really do believe, Hannah, that there is a new Zimbabwe on the horizon, and they are
talking in positive, optimistic tones about what this might bring about.
And I guess, if the new man doesn't take all of this into account that the new freedom people have tasted in the last week that they have the right to
assemble and talk and criticize, and give their opinions, right of free self-expression. Then, of course, the young, these kind of people, were
JONES: Mnangagwa himself has urged calm amongst the Zimbabwean people. He's urged people to step away from any violent retribution. This comes on
the same day that we've learned that Mugabe, his family, his wife, in particular, they have protected themselves and secure their own immunity
from prosecution. I'm wondering, though, if they in the country, what will be their fate in the course of public opinion?
SEVENZO: Well, look, their fate in the course of public opinion, Hannah, has long been destroyed especially if you look back at the events of the
last week. Grace Mugabe, Mr. Mugabe's wife, is despised and that is an understatement.
It is believed -- I mean, another thing that these young people told us on the street is that she was sent by God to do this, to be so basically
bellicose and belligerent. Everybody around her forced the situation.
But, of course, when we talk about Grace and Robert Mugabe, there are several ministers who have fled the country because they were a part of
(inaudible), what Emmerson Mnangagwa called, you know, the G40 (inaudible) yesterday in his first speech to the Zimbabwean people.
And they are (inaudible) and they are -- basically, the idea that if they are looters and criminals as the army alleged, if they are not put on
trial, people will be watching very closely why that is the case.
Of course, Mr. Mugabe and Mrs. Mugabe escaped, and I'll tell you that is, because the ZANU-PF still works. Emmerson Mnangagwa is a very strong
loyalist to his party and of course, whatever touches Mr. Mugabe in terms of prosecution, will also touch him because he's been with him for the last
JONES: It will be interesting to see after elections potentially next year whether Mugabe's fate will still be the same that has been announced today.
Farai Sevenzo live for us in Harare. Farai, we appreciate it. Thank you.
Argentina's Navy has uncovered a grim clue in its search for a missing submarine. A Navy spokesman says a sound heard near the sub's last known
location may have been an explosion. He says it was short and violent, and he says it was detected on the same day that the submarine last made any
That was more than a week ago. Experts are warning if the ship is still intact, it will be running out of oxygen. Crews from a dozen nations have
pitched in to help search for the 44 sailors on board.
Meanwhile, the crews' families have been gathering at the base where the submarine was headed in Mar del Plata in Argentina. And Stefano Pozzebon
is there for us as well. Stefano, they say no news is good news, and this news of an explosion must be the one thing that the families around you
would have been dreading the most.
STEFANO POZZEBON, JOURNALIST: Yes. Absolutely, Hannah. That was the news that was feared for these people for well over a week. Let's just think
about the moment that they might going through or because they were informed that just after the San Juan lost contact with its home base here
Mar del Plata, the families were informed that was happening.
A full eight days gap they were informed that the Navy was bringing forward the first possible, the strongest possible effort together with several
other countries to bring those relatives, those crew members home.
[15:10:03] And this morning they were informed that there has been detected -- a noise was detected on the morning that the San Juan last remaining
contact with its home base here and that noise is consistent an explosion. So, the situation is definitely a very darker, tragic tone here in Mar del
Plata -- Hannah.
JONES: And Stefano, we can see just from speaking to you now that the weather conditions where you are, are particularly bad, and we've also
being showing our viewers some footage of the ongoing search as well. This is a massive search area and under the most treacherous of conditions.
POZZEBON: Yes, absolutely. We have a couple of days on Wednesday and earlier, the weather gave a little bit of a break and allowed even better
searching operations. We were informed, for example, on Tuesday, even an end on Wednesday, the Navy was hoping to locate the San Juan thanks to this
break in the serious stormy conditions.
(Inaudible) the bad weather is increasing here in Maraguada (ph) and definitely in the searching operation, Hannah, which is several hundreds of
kilometers, southern, in a more colder waters (inaudible).
We are talking about an area that is larger than the country of Spain. (Inaudible) as deep as 2,000 meters below sea level. So, really serious
and difficult working condition for the fleet that is trying desperately working around the clock to locate this submarine before it's definitely
too late -- Hannah.
JONES: Stefano, thank you so much for updating us on this story. We appreciate it.
Still to come on the program tonight, President Donald Trump thanked the U.S. troops on the Thanksgiving holiday, but also suggest Americans should
thank him for putting the country on a better path.
And from an ISIS training site, child fighters to a thriving school the Syrian kids, a report from Northern Syria where life is beginning to be
rebuilt. Please stay with us.
JONES: It is Thanksgiving in the United States and Donald Trump says Americans have a lot to be thankful for this year including the service and
sacrifice of the military. President Trump visited the Coast Guard members this morning thanking them for helping save lives after hurricanes in
Texas, Florida, and of course, Puerto Rico.
Earlier on, the president spoke via teleconference to troops serving abroad. Mr. Trump suggested his administration is helping them succeed,
saying, quote, "They weren't letting win before."
He also took to Twitter to tell Americans that the country is, quote, "starting to do very well." He took credit for jobs on the rise, a booming
stock market, and much, much more.
Let's bring in Jeff Zeleny in West Palm Beach, Florida, where President Trump was spending the holiday at his Mar-a-Lago Resort.
[15:15:00] Jeff, I guess, the Thanksgiving message from the president this year is that Americans should be thankful for their military, but also
very, very thankful of their president.
JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Indeed, it was definitely a message of everything that President Trump believes that he
has done well throughout his nearly first year in office.
But it did start out significantly as most U.S. presidents do by recognizing the military. He was speaking via a video conference with the
Marines in Afghanistan, some Army fighters in Iraq, a Navy ship at sea.
So, he was definitely praising their work and their efforts, but was also taking credit for a record stock market here in the U.S. He was also
taking a credit for what he calls a reduction in business regulation that has allowed businesses to grow and thrive.
Of course, a full assessment of that or a fact check of that, if you will, which show that he inherited a very strong economy certainly compared to
Barack Obama eight years ago when he was first taken office in January -- at the beginning of his term in '09.
But the president, President Trump, took full credit for that today as he began a Thanksgiving holiday that is concluding with some time in the golf
course before having dinner with his family at Mar-a-Lago.
JONES: And Jeff, staying with all things Trump, it's somewhat bizarre timing at Thanksgiving that the president decided to take on the father of
a college basketball calling him an ungrateful fool. Talk us through, why now?
ZELENY: Certainly more grievances being aired on the eve of Thanksgiving yesterday than was gratefulness in the air. The president early in the
morning started with going after the father, LaVar Ball, of course, he is one of the fathers of one of the UCLA basketball players who was arrested
in China for allegedly stealing sunglasses a couple of weeks ago.
And the president and the father of this basketball player, LaVar Ball, have been going back and forth for several days here. But calling him an
ungrateful fool certainly was a way to -- for the president to set the tone for the day.
But what he was actually doing we believe is trying to change the subject from so many other things going on particularly that endorsement that tacit
endorsement of Roy Moore, the controversial, to say the least, Senate candidate in Alabama.
JONES: Yes. I was going to ask you about that as well. I mean, this is on a very, a very serious note as well. The rest of the stuff is perhaps
not so (inaudible) as you could say. Roy Moore is, of course, just to remind our viewers the candidate for the Senate seat in Alabama.
And he is accused of various allegations of inappropriate sexual behavior involving young women, some of them teenagers. And the president hasn't
exactly endorsed him, but as you said, he tacitly has. Could this backfire politically for President Trump?
ZELENY: It certainly -- we'll have to find out. I mean, the reason the president did this, we are told, simply because all of the -- you know, the
examples and stories of -- cases of sexual harassment and misconduct, they really have bubbled up extraordinarily so here in the U.S. and indeed
around the world over the last couple of weeks.
And initially, the president was sort of watching to see how this Roy Moore situation would unfold, but then suddenly there are so many other examples
of men in prominent positions, who had lost their jobs.
The president, his thinking was, why should Roy Moore not run for Senate, he's no different than anyone else? And they also believe that he can win
and they want that Republican vote.
But the key question here is this really puts the president at odds with his own Republican Party. The top Republican in the Senate, the Senate
majority leader, Mitch McConnell, he said only a week ago that Roy Moore is not fit to serve in the U.S. Senate.
He could still be expelled from the Senate by a vote of the Senate if he is indeed elected. But the president essentially siding with him accepting
his denials that this abuse and misconduct simply didn't happen.
What we are watching for, though, is to see if the president actually goes all in to campaign for him in Alabama over the next two weeks before that
special election. It certainly would be an extraordinary thing to do, but it might follow a pattern of this president, who, of course, denied all of
the allegations against him during his own campaign by so many women as well.
JONES: Yes. All right. Well, no rest for the wicked deaf. Enjoy heat there in Florida and many -- well, happy Thanksgiving to you too as well,
although, you are having to work unfortunately. Jeff, thank you.
ZELENY: Thank you very much.
JONES: U.S. Congressman Joe Barton says he is sorry for sexually explicit photo of himself went viral on Twitter. But the Texas Republican is
raising the possibility that he is the victim of, quote, "revenge porn," a criminal act in his state.
Earlier our congressional correspondent, Sunlen Serfaty, spoke with my colleague, Fredricka Whitfield, about the latest developments.
[15:20:07] SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: New photos of the Republican were circulated this week on social media through a unanimous Twitter
account. Barton has not denied that the photos are legitimate, and he's apologized for it saying this is from a consensual relationship that he had
with adult women when he was separated with his wife before they got a divorce. Hear from some -- how his constituents in Texas are reacting.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not the person that we know now. Like I said, but then again, everybody has their own thing, you know, whatever he does is
business and you know, if that was private, it shouldn't have leaked or anything.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If he wants to send those pictures to the first (inaudible) and she's OK with it, I mean, I have no say about the matter.
SERFATY: Now meantime, Barton is now raising the possibility that he is the victim of revenge porn, which is a criminal act in Texas. This is
after an unnamed woman has come forward telling "The Washington Post" that Barton she says sent her lude photos, videos, and messages when they had
two sexual counters over the course of five years.
Now he claims when he ended that relationship with this woman, this woman threatened to publicly share those private photographs in retaliation, that
is his claim. But, Fred, we certainly have a lot more yet to learn about this --
JONES: Sunlen Serfaty reporting there. Now after expelling ISIS from major cities, Iraq's Security Forces are now conducting a vast sweep of the
desert to destroy the militants' last hideout. Troops backed by military helicopters are clearing the vast western desert that stretches all the way
to the Syrian border.
Iranian, which has, of course, played a key role in fighting ISIS has already declared victory over the militants. But Iraq's prime minister
won't go that far until this desert area is clear.
Well, Syria has also made great progress in fighting ISIS. CNN visited the town of Jarabulus (ph) near the Turkish border where residents have given a
new lease of life after the militants were driven out. Arwa Damon tells us why Turkey has now stepped in to help the town rebuild.
ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): At a round about where ISIS used to display the heads of its victims, there is a
brand-new Turkish post office. It's complete with an ATM.
A man we meet takes us just around the corner to his cousin's home. He was one of ISIS' first victims, but the family here does not want to relive the
unspeakable pain of the past.
(on camera): They placed her brother's head just at the front of the door.
(voice-over): It was Syrian rebels backed by Turkish military might that drove ISIS out of Jarabulus well over a year ago. And since then, Turkey
has gone all in with the reminders of that everywhere.
Turkey is funding a fully functioning hospital with Turkish expertise to bolster the Syrian (inaudible). It's also supplying the town with
electricity and water, and (inaudible) out for the local police force and as they call themselves the Free Syrian Army Rebel Units that are in the
(on camera): Turkey has multiple reasons for wanting to both militarily and financially invest here. It wants to secure its own borders. It wants to
stop the Syrian-Kurdish advance and it is hoping that by creating safe zones that are relatively prosperous, Syrian refugees will perhaps begin
returning to their homeland.
(voice-over): And Jarabulus' population has swelled to around 70,000, about three times its original inhabitants. And Turkey hopes to use
Jarabulus as its example to prove to others that its patronage brings progress.
Along with everything else, Turkey is also funding schools crammed with children from all over Syria eager to learn after having been deprived for
so long. This school used to be an ISIS cubs of the caliphate training site and a prison.
Five-year-old (inaudible) may never understand why her parents deserted her.
(on camera): She says that her father left when the ISIS left along with them. A (inaudible) the rest of the family.
UNIDENTIFIED CHILD: (Inaudible).
DAMON (voice-over): Syria's scars run deep and there is no certainty that its future will be any kinder to its people than in the past. Arwa Damon,
CNN, Jarabulus, Syria.
GORANI: Turning now to tensions on the Korean Peninsula, U.S. fighter pilots train in the skies over South Korea in preparation for any potential
conflicts with the volatile North.
[15:25:03] CNN's Alexandra Field went along for the ride.
ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In a few seconds, we are fully vertical. U.S. Air Force Captain Kyle Miller call
sign Diesel takes us straight up to 13,000 feet. I'm strapped in the back screaming to stay conscious, feeling the gravity and the weight of it all.
That's the commander of the 8th Fighter Wing, Colonel David Shoemaker, and this happens every day, a practice basal with North Korea.
COLONEL DAVID SHOEMAKER, COMMANDER, 8TH FIGHTER WING: We practice just some of the basic maneuvers for air to air or some of the basic bombing
patterns or bombing maneuvers. We also practice the ability to survive and operate on the ground.
FIELD: Kunsan is the southern-most U.S. air base in South Korea. It's home to two U.S. F-16 fighter jet squadrons. Flying time to North Korea,
(on camera): What is the first hours of a conflict look like here at (inaudible)?
SHOEMAKER: Time isn't measured on a clock. It's measured in casualties and the faster we can get on the job, the less casualties that we'll see
particularly in Seoul in the opening valley of that war.
FIELD (voice-over): In war time, Kunsan could expand to up to four times the number of service men and women currently serving here, an essential
seat of U.S. and South Korean operations and a prime target.
SHOEMAKER: We expect that North Korea is going to target, you know, any of our military bases that are here in the south.
FIELD (on camera): What kind of threat could North Korea present in base here?
SHOEMAKER: So, we worry about their short range ballistic missiles here and we know that they have chemical weapons at their disposal.
FIELD (voice-over): They stay ready to fend off a ground invasion from North Korean special forces and to take the fight north from the air.
SHOEMAKER: Obviously having that air to surface capability, being able to take out the long-range artillery that would be bombarding Seoul.
FIELD: This is the third tour at Kunsan for Colonel Shoemaker. It's undeniably different.
(on camera): We know that North Korea has advanced in its nuclear capabilities and its missile capabilities, have you changed the way that
you do things at all?
SHOEMAKER: It's a mindset shift of quiet is so important and the seriousness with which all of the airmen and soldiers here at Kunsan Air
Base take our exercises and our training.
FIELD (voice-over): This is Diesel's third fight in two days. He puts us on the ground as the sun sets. The supersonic jet now quiet. Its pilot,
always ready. Alexandra Field, CNN, Kunsan Air Base, South Korea.
JONES: Still to come tonight, the leader of the Zimbabwean opposition tells CNN what he expects will now happen in the country.
And the outrage builds after CNN revealed this shocking video of a slave market in Libya. We have more reactions from global leaders.
JONES: Welcome back to HALA GORANI TONIGHT.
Let's return to our top story this hour, the future of Zimbabwe now that Robert Mugabe is no longer president. His personal future appears to be
secure tonight after the military granted him and his wife Grace immunity. It means they can stay in the country and not face any charges.
Well, the focus now turns to the man nicknamed "the crocodile." For years, Emmerson Mnangagwa was Mugabe's right-hand man before he was sacked by
Mugabe as vice president.
After the military stepped in and forced Mr. Mugabe to resign, Mnangagwa is now set to become the new leader. This is the first change of
leadership in Zimbabwe in nearly four decades.
Our Christiane Amanpour spoke to Morgan Tsvangirai, a longtime opposition leader and former prime minister and she asked him if Mugabe's resignation
happened according to his plan.
MORGAN TSVANGIRAI, FORMER PRIME MINISTER OF ZIMBABWE AND OPPOSITION LEADER: Not according to plan, I'm afraid, but circumstances have dictated that
getting Mugabe to retire has always been the MDC mantra, that we knew that he was an albatross to the country.
But the methods that have now been used have coincided with the people's expectations and has, of course, the overwhelming support this action has
AMANPOUR: So, Mr. Tsvangirai, everybody has been very careful not to call it a coup. What do you describe as what happened? What did the military
do that suddenly saw Mugabe step down, not elections, not anything else could get him to step down?
TSVANGIRAI: One can say that you can't avoid calling it a military intervention because they did intervene. But the question is the method
that has been used was smart enough to avoid the characteristic coup mantra in Africa or elsewhere.
So, they've allowed Mugabe to go and officiate that graduation ceremony. They've allowed him to return his position.
So, at the end of day, they've given some form of, veneer of respectability to the action.
AMANPOUR: OK. Well, what do you think then of Emmerson Mnangagwa. He's a former military. He's a former loyal Mugabe acolyte. Yes, he turned on
him and precipitated this. But do you believe that this man they call the crocodile will, as he promised, bring proper democracy to the country,
restore the economy, bring jobs?
TSVANGIRAI: Let me say that, knowing Emmerson Mnangagwa, his character, you will have to work very hard to change his character, so that he can
define the future of the country and define his future as a democrat, as a reformer. That, I doubt.
But at the same time, he knows that he cannot continue on the same path Mugabe has traveled and still expect the nation to respect him.
AMANPOUR: So, where do you think the constraints will be then? He's, obviously, going to be sworn in. And he, we understand, is going to lead
the nation into elections next year. Are you convinced and confident that these promised elections will happen on time and as regular,
internationally-accepted democratic elections?
TSVANGIRAI: The MDC has already stated that constitutionally elections can be held no later than August. And I hope that Emmerson Mnangagwa
completing the term of Mugabe will stick to the constitutional path.
However, there are risks to extending the time and also shortening it without reforms. So, we are caught up in a catch 22 situation.
JONES: Morgan Tsvangirai, the Zimbabwean opposition leader, speaking to our Christiane Amanpour earlier on.
Singular, short and violent - that's how spokesman for Argentina's navy described a sound heard the very day one of its submarines went missing.
Crews from a dozen nations have now joined the search as the clock runs out.
[15:35:14] Experts are warning, if the submarine is intact, oxygen will be running very low indeed. They're using vehicles designed to probe deep
waters all in the hopes that the 44 sailors on board this vessel can be saved.
I want to bring in someone now who knows firsthand what can go wrong on a submarine. Jeff Tall commanded one for Britain's Royal Navy and went on to
direct the Navy's museum. Jeff joins me now via Skype from Portsmouth, England.
Thank you, commander, so much for joining us on the program. We have to talk, first of all, about this explosion - possible explosion that was
heard a week ago. What does that tell you about the possible fate of this vessel, the submarine, and, of course, the 44 crew members on board?
JEFF TALL, FORMER SUBMARINE COMMANDER, BRITISH ROYAL NAVY: I think we are being certainly now pushed towards this theory that she suffered a
catastrophic explosion on board. And following up on reports earlier of a batter problem, that that was probably a battery explanation.
JONES: And much of the worry, at the moment, if indeed the crew members are still alive, is of the oxygen supply running out. What are the chances
that perhaps this vessel, if it is still intact, has somehow managed to surface and restock on oxygen supplies or indeed that this snorkeling
effect has happened and that they have managed to restock their oxygen supplies even if they are thousands of meters down?
TALL: Well, they are not thousands of meters down. And I honestly don't think that they were at periscope depths in order to stock and to recharge
Yes, they're running low of breathable air, but they're also facing the problem carbon dioxide buildup. Carbon dioxide is insoluble in water. And
once that gets to a percentage of about 5 percent, then it will cause unconsciousness and at 7 percent it's lethal.
So, in a way -
JONES: My apologies. I was just going to ask about the procedures onboard, the training that crew members would go through on a submarine,
what will they be doing? If they are alive, what might they be doing to try to preserve as much oxygen as possible?
TALL: Well, they should be expanding residual energy as possible, breathing as little oxygen as possible, not talking. You're talking pretty
miserable conditions, if indeed they have survived.
In a way, the kindest thing that could have happened perhaps was a battery explosion, which would have meant a speedy death for everybody.
JONES: Are there rescue procedures, deep sea rescue procedures that are in place in the event of something like this happening and the crews
surviving, whatever the technical fault may have been on the submarine itself? Is there any way of being able to take individual crew members out
of a submarine at some depth and bring them back to the surface alive?
TALL: Yes. The Americans have deployed their deep-sea submersible rescue vessel. That's capable of going down and attaching itself to a ring on the
submarine hull. All submarines have got that. And then, to bring out survivors, either in a group or one by one. And that is ready to go.
JONES: We're hoping very much, of course, that they get to use that device and that that rescue operation can indeed take place, even though it has
been a week now since the vessel and the crew members onboard were in contact with anyone else.
TALL: They've got to find the hull first.
JONES: Right. Well, thank you so much for your analysis on this. Commander Jeff Tall, we appreciate it. Thank you.
Now, last week, we brought you the shocking story of human slave markets operating in Libya. Our Nima Elbagir went undercover to investigate how
migrants find themselves being sold like cattle. Here is a small reminder of Nima's report.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[15:40:02] NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: (voice- over): A man addressing an unseen crowd.
Big strong boys for farm work, he says. Four hundred. Seven hundred. Seven hundred? Eight hundred. The numbers roll in. These men are sold
for 1200 Libyan pounds, $400 apiece.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
JONES: Well, the footage sparked outrage around the world, including these protests, you can see, in the French capital, Paris.
And today, Jim Bittermann spoke exclusively to the head of the African Union.
MOUSSA FAKI MAHAMAT, CHAIRMAN OF THE AFRICAN UNION (through translator): All the heads of state in Africa and Africa as a whole have denounced these
acts, which are completely unacceptable.
I have taken various measures. I have sent the commissioner of social affairs of Libya to talk to the Libyan government and express our
indignation and to see what measures should be taken.
I have also asked the African commissioner on human rights begin on investigation on what concrete steps will be taken. I have up into the
heads of state in Africa, so that together we are able to act urgently to bring back the migrants that are in this situation.
I also asked for a meeting between the African Union, the UN and EU on the margins of the African Union and EU summit on Abidjan.
JIM BITTERMANN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The international community, do you believe, has some kind of responsibility for this
because, after all, it was countries like France and the United States who toppled Muammar Gaddafi and what led to the situation we are in now?
MAHAMAT (through translator): It's a shared responsibility. What happened in Libya, we were not consulted at the time. We were actually excluded
from managing this.
Those who carried it out didn't follow up. So, we're now seeing total chaos in an African country that today is shared between criminals and
terrorists, who destabilized the Libyan people and its neighbors. They are a threat to the whole continent and beyond.
BITTERMANN: So, you think France and United States and other should assume that responsibility, to take responsibility for the situation?
MAHAMAT (through translator): We are in a situation where human beings are threatened. Imagine you find yourself in a state where human beings are
sold in a souk to the highest bidder. This is abominable, and no conscience can accept it. We have to act, and we have to act now.
BITTERMANN: So, you just met with President Macron here in France. What assurances did you get from him that France will be involved solving the
problem of slavery and perhaps some of the other problems of Africa?
MAHAMAT (through translator): I met with President Macron at his request to consult with him. France is a friend of the African continent. I
welcome his initiative.
I think we agree on what needs to be done in Libya. It's the responsibility of the international community. We must stabilize it. We
must urgently take concrete measures, so that people who are in prison right now, the people in slave markets is saved.
BITTERMANN: Do you expect France will rise to the occasion? Do you - after your meeting with President Macron, do you feel that he's going to
engage in Africa and help out to solve some of these problems?
MAHAMAT (through translator): The frank and honest nature of our conversation leads me to believe that it's a new approach. He's a man with
very clear ideas with concrete propositions, and I want to congratulate him for that.
JONES: Still to come on the program tonight, from a dark past to much brighter beginnings. We bring to the devastating tale of a victim of
domestic servitude and why her future is now looking up. Stay with us for more.
JONES: Welcome back. In today's CNN Freedom Project, story six years in the making. In 2011, we met Fedna, a shy young girl who was the victim of
a type of domestic servitude, but now she's receiving an education and looking forward to what the future holds. Our Michael Holmes reports.
MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (on-camera): Fedna, delighted to meet you.
(voice-over): We first met Fedna in October 2011 while filming "Common Dreams", a CNN Freedom Project documentary that aimed to shed a light on
the issue of restavek in Haiti.
Local non-profits say as many as 400,000 children work as domestic servants in Haiti's restavek system, a traditional practice where children are sent
to live with a relative or a friend in the hopes that children will receive an education in exchange for doing household chores.
But too often, the children are exploited doing work beyond their years and left vulnerable to all manners of abuse.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She's doing work that's beyond her physical strength, that's beyond her capabilities, work that the adults should be doing.
HOLMES: Fedna was just 8 years old, living as a domestic servant in her grandfather's house. Like most restavek children, she had never been to
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She's never been to school.
HOLMES: Most restavek children, especially the girls, do not attend school. Through negotiations with an advocate from the non-profit Restavek
Freedom Foundation, Fedna's grandfather agreed to let them take her to school the next day.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He said he would be fine with us to come in and get her to take her to school tomorrow.
HOLMES: Six years later, the CNN Freedom Project went back to Haiti to find Fedna. Now, 14 years old, she still lives with her grandfather and
she is still in school.
FEDNA JEANTILIEN, FORMER RESTAVEK (through translator): The big difference in my life is that now I can read and write.
HOLMES: Fedna says being in school has been life-changing.
JEANTILIEN: I feel really good for all that I've accomplished. And I have learned so much. All the things that I've learned, I apply them in my
daily life and I share them with other children as well.
HOLMES: Samuel Jean Baptiste is Fedna's child advocate. He says she has grown from a shy, tentative girl into a confident young woman.
SAMUEL JEAN BAPTISTE, CHILD ADVOCATE, RESTAVEK FREEDOM FOUNDATION: She has motivation. She is devoted to learn. She is working very hard. And I'm
really happy for her. And I hope and I'm sure that she will reach her goal one day and very, very, very soon because she has motivation for that.
HOLMES: Fedna's grandfather says he is grateful to Restavek Freedom for the opportunity to send Fedna to school and he is optimistic about her
ASSEGNE JEANTILIEN, FEDNA'S GRANDFATHER (through translator): I really hope that she will become somebody.
JOAN CONN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, RESTAVEK FREEDOM FOUNDATION: I think now as we work with him and we talk to him about giving her time to play and
giving her time to study, things are getting better for this child and her life has improved. And she's a beautiful, beautiful child.
HOLMES: Fedna says she still does chores at home, but she is grateful that she's been allowed to make her education the top priority in her life.
JEANTILIEN: It's important to me. Because I go to school, I believe I will become somebody in the future.
HOLMES: Michael Holmes, CNN.
JONES: Fantastic stuff.
[15:50:00] Now, still to come tonight, giving thanks for the harvest in Rome. We get there at tour of the pope's personal farms and find out what
some of the favorite foods are of the pontiff.
JONES: Welcome back. He may be at the helm of one of the world's most practiced religions, but the posting last week. Curious as to where he
gets his food from? Well, our Delia Gallagher got rare access to a papal food paradise to sample some of its earthly offerings.
DELIA GALLAGHER, CNN VATICAN CORRESPONDENT: It's harvest time at the pope's farm. Yes, the pope has a farm in the hills outside of Rome where a
basket of fresh produce is prepared for his kitchen every morning and sent down to the Vatican. It includes a few of Francis' favorite things.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): He likes cauliflower and broccoli.
GALLAGHER: Cheese, yogurt and milk made daily from 30 cows raised at Castel Gandolfo, formerly the summer residence for popes.
Alessandro Reale is the head farmer here. He shows us the garden where vegetable seeds from the White House gifted to the pope by President Obama
in 2014 are planted.
ALESSANDRO REALE, HEAD FARMER, POPE'S FARM: The seed are under the earth now. We hope in the springtime, with the help of God, to be able to pick
the cucumbers, carrots and zucchini from the Obamas.
GALLAGHER: The 62-acre property has 1,000 olive trees. More than half of them date back to the year 1200. And the farm produces a small number of
bottles of olive oil each year for the pope and officials who live in the Vatican.
Rigorously cold pressed using granite stone to make sure the oil being extracted does not warm up and ruin the flavor. A staple of the Italian
table, the head of the farm is proud of its high quality.
There are chickens too, who feed on the remnants of communion wafers made by cloistered nuns, who live on the property. With only seven workers, the
farm is a family affair says Alessandro Reale, a family with the whole father at its table.
Delia Gallagher, CNN, Rome.
JONES: One of the most popular shows on Netflix is returning for a second season in just a few weeks' time. This time, "The Crown" will focus on the
British royal family in the 1960s. CNN's Robyn Curnow has more.
ROBYN CURNOW, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It's a red carpet fit for a queen. The crowd, the cameras, the corgis.
The stars of the hit Netflix series "The Crown" turned out for the season 2 world premiere in London. The show starring Claire Foy as the young Queen
Elizabeth II, takes us back to the early years of her marriage and reign and the struggles facing the monarchy. This season is set in the turbulent
CLAIRE FOY AS QUEEN ELIZABETH II: I've been Queen barely ten years. And in that time, I've had three prime ministers, not one has lasted the
CURNOW: And it's not just politics rucking Buckingham Palace, the storyline covers the crisis in the Suez Canal, rumored infidelities by
Prince Philip, and a new love interest for the rebellious Princess Margaret.
[15:55:04] CLAIRE FOY, ACTRESS: Well, I think they're trying to change with the times as quickly as they possibly can, and unfortunately, you
know, what's happening in every single way is that, you know, the world is changing faster than anyone's able to kind of keep up.
CURNOW: With lush scenery and captivating characters, the viewer gets to witness the ups and downs of an extraordinary family.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The monarchy is too fragile. You keep telling me yourself. One more scandal, one more national embarrassment and it would
all be over.
CURNOW: All eyes had been on the Queen and Prince Philip in recent days as they celebrated their 70th wedding anniversary. Posing for portraits
marking the occasion, the Queen wore gold broach given to her by Prince Philip in the same time period the TV drama is set.
Now, all eyes will be on "The Crown." The new season will hit the small screen worldwide on December the 8th.
Robyn Curnow, CNN.
JONES: And I, for one, cannot wait. Christmas can't come soon enough. But before we get to Christmas, it is, of course, Thanksgiving today in the
United States, with many people spending their morning watching the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade.
Huge crowd, as you would expect, lines the New York City streets to watch their favorite balloons parade past. CNN's Jason Carroll is out in
Manhattan earlier on today and he spoke to some very excited people in the crowd.
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JASON CARROLL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: So, you're going to be seeing the parade. Let's get your - let's get you in here as well.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my gosh.
CARROLL: So, you guys, you've been such a trooper. You've been out here with all these kids.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My brother-in-law woke up at 4:30 to do this. I only showed up at about 5:45.
CARROLL: Well, you know, bless you. Bless you for being out here doing all this.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Exactly. It was all him.
CARROLL: What are you looking forward to seeing and doing?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm looking forward to getting out - getting out of here.
CARROLL: Santa Claus. That's the wrong holiday. But that's coming up later.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He's saving it. We're looking for Santa Claus, the end.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) Power Rangers.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Power Rangers.
CARROLL: All right, Power Rangers.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE).
CARROLL: All right, you guys, thank you so very much.
I want you to enjoy. Happy Thanksgiving to all of you.
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JONES: Oh, my. Well, happy Thanksgiving to any of you watching this evening, if you are indeed celebrating it. Thanks so much for watching the
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