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Crime and Justice With Ashleigh Banfield

28-year-old Michigan Woman Vanishes; Police Eye Dead Teen`s Mother; Vandewege Murders Crime Scene Evidence; Cops Believe Dad Killed Wife and Baby; Fights Break Out Across America; Robbers Steal Millions Worth of Furs in New York; Black Bear Caught Peeking into Cars; Woman Handed Sippy Cup with Wine to Child; Inmates Bust Out of Jail. . Aired 8-9p ET

Aired December 27, 2016 - 20:00   ET

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LISA BLOOM, GUEST HOST (voice-over): A pretty young woman vanishes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We searched buildings and basements, wooded areas that might have been in the area.

BLOOM: Danielle Stislicki last seen leaving work more than three weeks ago.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Danielle just doesn`t randomly not show up.

BLOOM: Friends and family growing more and more concerned as police will only say they believe the 28-year-old`s disappearance is tied to a crime.

A teenager missing for months found dead in woods more than 100 miles from home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... that the identity of the remains was that of Grace Packer, age 14.

BLOOM: But police say Grace Packer was no runaway.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two hunters found her dismembered remains.

BLOOM: They`ve now charged her adoptive mom, but not with murder.

Funerals today for a mom and her 3-month-old baby who were brutally killed inside their own home -- the evidence police say they found at the murder

scene that turned their attention to Dad.

Mall madness across the country. Food court fights and firecrackers forcing evacuations. And in some of the cases, police say a hashtag

sparked it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Which is what drew all of these people who were up to no good to our mall.

BLOOM: A driver calls 911 after spotting a woman weaving back and forth across the road with a child in the back seat.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The car behind me is all over the road. It just missed two head-on collisions.

BLOOM: Police arrested the woman on suspicion of DUI, but it was what they say was in the 5-year-old child`s sippy cup that had them shaking their

heads.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We need people to stop doing (ph) this.

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BLOOM: Hello, everyone. This is PRIMETIME JUSTICE. I`m Lisa Bloom, in tonight for Ashleigh Banfield. I`m a trial lawyer from the Bloom firm and

a legal analyst for Avvo.

It`s been nearly three weeks since anyone has seen Danielle Stislicki. Where is she? The 28-year-old was last seen driving out of the MetLife

parking lot in Southfield, Michigan -- that`s where she worked -- after work on December 2nd. The very next day, Stislicki`s SUV was found outside

of her apartment miles away in Farmington Hills. Her purse was still inside -- very significant.

Police remain tight-lipped, but they have said they believe Stislicki`s disappearance is tied to a crime. Her friends and family are holding out

hope.

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ANN STISLICKI, DANIELLE`S MOTHER: As a mother, from the deepest of my heart, help us bring Danielle home for everybody! Although we stand here

as a family, there is a huge community out there that Danielle belongs to. And we need to go ahead and bring her home.

The gentleman that helped us originally for the search and rescue said, Stand on the top of the highest mountain you can and scream for her name.

Do not stop screaming until she`s found.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BLOOM: Absolutely heart-breaking. Erica Murphy is an anchor and reporter at WJR News in Detroit. She joins me now. Erica, tell us about the

security guard that the police seem to be focusing on.

ERICA MURPHY, WJR NEWS: Well, this is a new piece of this case. Just last Thursday, officials announced that they searched a home in Berkeley (ph).

But what we`re hearing is this is not the first time that they`ve searched this home, Lisa. Apparently, this is the home of a security guard who may

have worked with Danielle at MetLife in Southfield. He lives in this home with his wife. And we`re told that investigators and a forensic team took

a mattress out of that house.

BLOOM: Well, that`s a very disturbing detail. And of course, he`s presumed innocent. He`s not arrested. He`s not even called a person of

interest yet, at this point, right, Erica?

MURPHY: Not at this point. Not at this point, no. They`re not giving us any names. So he`s not a person of interest yet Officially.

BLOOM: OK, and Erica, there`s a large pool of money that`s been set aside as a reward in this case. Tell us about that.

MURPHY: Absolutely. So the apartment where Danielle lived, the company she worked for, Crimestoppers and even family and friends started a

GoFundMe page. And so now there is a reward of almost $130,000 for tips.

BLOOM: Well, we`re seeing way too many crimes of violence against women in this country. We hope that`s not what happened here, but I think we can be

realistic and say after three weeks, there certainly is a realistic chance of that happening.

[20:05:05]I hate to think of people as just crime victims, as just a missing person as defined by their last day before they went missing? What

can you tell us about Danielle? I hear, for example, that she has an "I Love Lucy" kind of sense of humor.

MURPHY: Yes, I`m hearing from family members and friends that she was a very funny girl. We know that she was very responsible. She had been at

MetLife for some time, and she`s just not the kind of person to just take off without contacting her friends or family. We do know that (INAUDIBLE)

BLOOM: Yes, I don`t believe people just take off anymore anyway. It`s very, very rare. Of course, it`s possible. But in this day and age, it`s

almost impossible to be completely off the grid. And if somebody disappears, they are usually findable.

Well, joining me now is trial attorney Monique Pressley and defense attorney Joey Jackson.

Welcome to you both. Monique, let me start with you. Why do you think that the police are focused on this security guard who worked with Danielle

at MetLife?

MONIQUE PRESSLEY, TRIAL ATTORNEY: Well, look, Lisa, you know the first and most likely place where you can find a suspect is closest to home. If it`s

not the person who is going to end up being the main suspect committing a crime -- if there is a crime, we don`t even know at this point -- then that

person is most likely to have the most current information.

So I`m not surprised to find that police have been there, not just this one time that we just found out about but multiple times searching the home,

trying to find out as much information as possible. And what`s interesting to me, of course, is that his attorney has not permitted him to cooperate

with police and give any information. So what does that tell us? Maybe something, maybe nothing.

BLOOM: Well, that`s right. And Joey, listen, we all have the right to lawyer up. We all have the right to remain silent. We have the right not

to cooperate. But it certainly does not look good when this security guard makes that choice.

JOEY JACKSON, CNN/HLN LEGAL ANALYST: It does. And great to see you, Lisa. A sad and horrific case, particularly to talk about during the holidays,

even though I know she disappeared three weeks ago, December 2nd.

But of course, listen, as you mentioned, innocent until -- of course, you`re presumed innocent until found guilty. And they`re focusing -- that

is police -- on him. That`s not to say that there`s not anything else out there that may be significant. I just take it as -- and you know, Lisa,

very well as a trial attorney -- Monique, you too -- that we instruct our clients at all times not to say anything, not necessarily because they`re

guilty, but if the focus and attention is on you, then it could become problematic, anything you say.

But I certainly think that the police could and will resolve this for many reasons. We all have a social blueprint, right? Any text messaging that

you do, the police I`m certain have that, any e-mailing that you do, any Facebooking that you do. And so as a result of that, this, you know,

beautiful woman, certainly there has to be some clues and some trail that would lead to people who she was in contact with, and so...

BLOOM: OK, that`s true, but...

JACKSON: ... let`s just be hopeful in that regard.

BLOOM: That is true, but on that point, Monique, you know, our phones -- our phones are always such important pieces of evidence in these cases, as

Joey said, because of our texts and our calls and our social media, right? If any of us loses our phones for five minutes, you know, it`s like we

can`t breathe anymore, right?

Well, her phone is missing and her purse was still in the car. And her keys are missing. What does that tell you?

PRESSLEY: It says that there is a crime likely afoot. And what bothers me -- I don`t disagree with Joey. I`m loathe to do that. Certainly, this

person who may be suspected of committing a crime has a right to remain silent, and that`s good advice from his attorney.

However, we don`t know if there`s a crime. What we know for sure is that a woman is missing and may be in danger. So it just looks terrible for a

spouse (sic) who may have information vital to keeping her safe, vital to bringing her home, vital to solving whatever happened not being willing to

offer anything to the police. This is dangerous. This is dangerous for a woman -- we don`t know -- who may be out there and in a precarious

situation like...

BLOOM: That`s right.

PRESSLEY: ... a few weeks ago, we had a woman to return home, who had been abducted for many weeks.

BLOOM: And we know, Erica, that every day that goes by in an investigation with a missing person, the odds are smaller and smaller that that person is

going to be found alive. I mean, I think we have to just say the truth here. It`s getting less and less likely. It is always possible.

Sometimes people do turn up. But does anyone among the family and friends of Danielle think that it`s possible that she just disappeared?

MURPHY: Well, Lisa, that`s a great question. I actually spoke to Danielle`s parents this evening before coming in, and I`ve got to tell you

that they are -- you know, of course, they`re going through it. But this community and the family and friends of Danielle remain prayerful and

hopeful that she`ll return home safely.

[20:10:14]BLOOM: Yes. Well, absolutely. And I think any of us -- listen, I have a daughter about that age and I would like to remain hopeful. God

forbid if something horrendous like this happened. And I`d like the family to know -- Erica, please tell them that she is in our thoughts and prayers,

and we certainly hope that she is found in good health.

Coming up next, police charge an adoptive mother in connection with her daughter`s disappearance. But now that teenager has turned up dead. Why

hasn`t Mom been charged with her murder?

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BLOOM: Police in suburban Philadelphia have charged the adoptive mother of a teenager missing since July and found dead on Halloween in connection

with her disappearance. But they have not charged her with murder.

Sara Packer reported Grace missing on July 11, one week after she was last seen at a family picnic. Nearly four months later, on October 31st,

hunters found parts of Grace`s body about 100 miles from her home in a wooded area of the Pocono Mountains. Oh!

[20:15:05]But police say Sara Packer`s story fell apart quickly. They say she, the mom, withheld critical information and gave misleading statements

after reporting Grace`s disappearance and believe she knows more about what happened to her daughter than she`s letting on.

Solomon Jones is the morning show host on WURD radio and he joins me from Philadelphia. Solomon, thanks so much for joining me. This child, this

14-year-old girl, her remains were dismembered. I mean, it is so horrific. What does that tell you about this crime?

SOLOMON JONES, WURD (via telephone): Well, it tells me, I mean, if you -- if you take the trouble to dismember somebody, A, it`s a crime of passion.

But B, you don`t want that person to be found.

I mean, you know, the mother withheld all kinds of evidence from the police. I find it bizarre that for months, she did not give the police a

picture of this little girl. You would have pictures of your child on your phone. I have children. I have pictures on my phone. It wouldn`t be hard

for me to give them pictures.

I wouldn`t be cashing a Social Security check for months after I reported the child missing, and I wouldn`t have withheld from Social Security that

the child was missing. There were just so many things that happened over the course of the investigation that really made it look suspicious.

I read the criminal complaint, and it`s a solid circumstantial case against this adoptive mother, but they don`t have the physical evidence, I don`t

think, at this time.

BLOOM: Chief deputy Jennifer Schorn is with the Bucks County district attorney`s office, and she joins me from Doylestown, Pennsylvania. Thank

you so much, Jennifer.

I`m really intrigued at the charges that have been filed against the mom. No homicide charges have been filed against her. And I want to be very

clear about that. But it seems to me that the charges about endangering welfare of a child and obstruction -- this is all based on her very

peculiar and frankly suspicious behavior during the investigation, right?

JENNIFER SCHORN, BUCKS COUNTY DA`S OFFICE (via telephone): Yes, Ashleigh (sic). I think you for having me. And you`re absolutely right. Not only

did her mother`s conduct raise red flags, but ultimately, her actions and inactivity proved to be criminal in and of itself.

To wait to report your 14-year-old adolescent daughter missing -- I mean, this is not like a high school senior who`s close to adulthood who`s

rebelling and running away for a night or two. This is a middle schooler, a 14-year-old who had special needs, and she waits to report her missing

and then provides misleading, false information to police in the early days of the investigation, and then fails to provide even a simple photo.

And like Solomon indicated, in this day and age, every parent has photos of their children on their phone. It`s so simple to provide that immediately

to get the word out and...

BLOOM: Yes, and Jennifer, you know, in my practice, I represent a lot of victims. And victims are usually banging on the door of law enforcement,

saying, What`s going on? What about the case involving my daughter? Why aren`t you doing more to help me?

In this case, it seems to be exactly the opposite. Law enforcement was going to the mom, saying, Hello? Can you please help us? Can you give us

a photo? Can you give us the timeline of when she went missing? Who saw her last? Where she was going?

And Mom, it seems, Jennifer, just couldn`t be bothered to cooperate with the police.

SCHORN: Right. You hit the nail on the head, Lisa. And not only that, they knew -- the adults in the home that -- where Grace was living moved

and failed to provide the police agency that`s investigating her as a runaway with the new address.

And furthermore, Grace would have no ability to locate her mother and the adults living in the home. She failed to provide a forwarding address,

failed to enroll her in school in the new school district. You`re absolutely right, completely contrary to the way any normal parent would

act.

BLOOM: So Monique Pressley, trial attorney, let me go out to you because you are a very skilled attorney. What kind of explanation would you have

as an attorney for this behavior on the part of the mom?

PRESSLEY: There`s no explanation that doesn`t lead to some sort of culpability. There obviously have been numerous crimes committed just in a

failure to assist the police in this search and an obstruction of justice. There`s no real explanation for waiting seven days, 24 hours each day, for

a child for whom you`re responsible, not going to the police saying that they didn`t come home one night after the other after the other.

And then certain failures just point to some sort of culpability. I can`t say that that means that this mom or mother figure is responsible...

BLOOM: Right.

PRESSLEY: ... but obviously, there`s more knowledge here. I would agree - - disagree slightly with Solomon in that the dismembering just points to whomever did it not wanting to get caught.

[20:20:06]I don`t think that`s passion, necessarily. That points more to specific intent and then intent after the fact to not be caught. Usually,

passionate criminals sloppy about what they do, and we`re not seeing this here. We`re seeing someone who went through the effort of hiding a

horrific crime.

So perhaps the police don`t have what they need yet, but I suspect they`re getting very close.

BLOOM: Oh! And it`s so heart-breaking to see those beautiful shots of the Poconos mountains. I used to have a house up there. It`s so pretty in the

fall. And that`s -- you know, the jarring comparison with what happened there and the body of this child -- this child having been found there.

Well, thank you so much. And I know we want to hear more from you, Jennifer, about this investigation as this goes on. And Solomon, thank

you, as well.

Family and friends gathered today to remember a young mother and her infant son murdered inside their home. Tonight, we take you to the murder scene

to see what led police to turn their sights on that woman`s husband, that baby`s father, Craig Vandewege.

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[20:25:04]BLOOM: Funeral services today for a mother and young baby son murdered in a bedroom in their own home. Shanna and 3-month-old Diederik

Vandewege were found earlier this month in Fort Worth, Texas, their throats slashed. Behind bars 900 mile away from where the two were killed and

charged with their murder, the husband, the father, Craig Vandewege. And as friends and family said goodbye, we are beginning to learn more about

what happened inside the home where they were killed.

Jeffrey Boney is the associate editor of "The Houston Forward Times." Thanks for joining me today. Jeffrey, let`s talk about the timeline in

this case, which I think surely is part of the big reason why this husband got arrested because there`s a lot of suspicious stuff going on his

timeline.

OK, first of all, 10:30 AM, he said he left for work as his wife and baby were sleeping in the home. The wife woke up allegedly to tell him she

loved him. Really? Like, what mother of a brand-new little baby is sleeping at 10:30 AM? It`s possible, but to me, that`s extremely unlikely.

And let`s go on. 11:45, he then says he went to work after picking up some bagels. His boss says he was 45 minutes late. At 2:00 PM to 3:00 PM, he

said he texted his wife three times, never got a response. He didn`t think it was unusual. And while he was at work, he bought diamond earrings for

her and a ladder to hang wedding pictures. Oh, gee, that`s very romantic. And then at 9:30 PM, he says he returned home and he found his wife and

baby dead, and he called the police four to six minutes later.

What do you make of this timeline, Jeffrey?

JEFFREY BONEY, "HOUSTON FORWARD TIMES" (via telephone): Well, as police began to investigate Craig Vandewege`s story, it just wasn`t adding up, and

they started to dig a little bit deeper. And of course, you know, police, when they started going back to the crime scene, they realized that it was

staged to resemble a burglary. And the crime scene technicians, they found evidence of blood in the bedroom and the kitchen sinks consistent with

someone cleaning the scene.

BLOOM: Right. Right. Exactly. I mean, let`s take a look at the arrest warrant. And some of this is reflected in the police`s own thinking on

this. They say that the door appeared to have possibly been opened when this damage occurred. In other words, it looks like, at least the police

believe, that Craig Vandewege tried to make it look like there was a break- in. The problem he has is that the door was jimmied when it was in an open position, which no actual, you know, intruder would do. They would break

it in while it`s closed.

The arrest warrant also says this crime scene appeared to have been staged to look like a burglary. And Shanna, this poor woman who lost her life,

had no defensive wounds and seemed to have been sleeping when the attack happened. It appeared that she was either asleep or unconscious when the

wound was inflicted.

So Jeffrey, what`s next for this investigation?

BONEY: Well, I mean, you know, you start looking at trying to weave together all of the evidence and the things that they`ve uncovered,

especially, as you just noted, looking at the arrest warrant, detectives also found that, like you said, the cabinets, the drawers in several of the

rooms had been opened, but everything was still in place. All the valuables were still in the home. Two safes were open on the bedroom

floor, but the contents were just thrown about. The back door was unlocked.

And so there`s a lot of things here that are really in line with what their allegations. And their belief is, is that this gentlemen, Mr. Craig

Vandewege, was responsible for the death of Shanna and his 3-month-old son, Diederik

BLOOM: Joey Jackson, you know, I read a lot on this case this week to prepare for the show. I hadn`t been familiar with it before. I was

willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt until I read that he had told a co-worker before these horrible murders that he had dreamed about

slicing the heads of his wife and father like bologna. And unfortunately, his beautiful wife and beautiful child had their necks sliced.

I mean, is it over for this guy?

JACKSON: Well, if that`s credible, obviously, Lisa, that`s something that hurts him very much. However, I would hasten to add that he`s entitled to

a defense, and the evidence still needs to be challenged. The police say that the crime scene was somehow staged. That`s not necessarily true,

right? It doesn`t -- you don`t to have buy the fact that that`s the case. That`ll be challenged, as well.

Perhaps there was someone else who had a motivation to otherwise kill them. In terms of the timeline, is it possible that at 10:30, his wife was

sleeping after being up all night with the child? Certainly. The fact that somebody is late to work 45 minutes -- people are late every single

day! And yes...

BLOOM: OK, well, you`re doing -- listen, you`re doing a great job at what defense attorneys do. You take each piece of evidence and you try pick it

apart, OK?

[20:30:00] But Monique, can we talk about the fact that there is a baby here, a 3-month-old baby who had his neck sliced, killed by having his neck

-- who would have a motivation to kill a baby?

PRESSLEY: And why would the father have to be extradited back to Texas and be found with over a 1,000 rounds of ammunition, multiple assault rifles,

camouflage, gas tanks. I mean, what more do we really need on this case? I don`t prosecute cases for a living. But this isn`t really a hard one.

Unfortunately, what this also points to, Lisa, is why we have to be mindful. And looking out for mental illness amongst people we`re working

with every day. This is someone who apparently spoke out loud to a co- worker and said that he was thinking about slashing the throats of family members.

That`s not something you just say, okay. That`s something you report. You report it to HR. You report to it a supervisor. You do something about it.

If you hear something, you say something. Because just like in this issue here, we find that it may have saved two lives.

BLOOM: Thank you. And I agree with that. And Jeffrey, just very quickly, when I hear Monique talking about mental illness, I think oh-oh, insanity

defense. Do you think that`s a possibility here?

BONEY: I do believe that that`s a possibility. I believe that of course that is the defense that is going to be used. But I think he has a lot of

things that are going against him. And I think that, you know, him saying it has been a long week.

My wife and kids were murdered in Texas. And telling officers he was in Colorado to bury his wife and child when they weren`t even there. I think

that that speaks to the fact that he may have some trouble with his defense.

BLOOM: He`s going to have big trouble. And speaking of insanity, madness at malls across America.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God!

BLOOM: Why police say a hashtag could be behind at least one of these crazy incidents.

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[20:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BLOOM: Fights break out at malls across the country and at least one started with just a hashtag. Massive brawls played out at more than a dozen

shopping centers on the day after Christmas, yesterday. Some of the chaos was posted on social media from a food court fight in Illinois -- to

firecrackers causing a shooting scare in Chattanooga.

The madness forced evacuations at many of the malls affected. But luckily, thank goodness, none of the injuries were life threatening. But what the

heck is going on here? I have a lot of different theories. Yesterday was boxing day. Are people angry and upset after the election?

The country is so divided. We are all tearing each other`s throats out. Is this a bunch of kids who have too much free time on their hands? I mean,

this is really mind boggling to me. I want to start with forensic psychologist, Judy Ho. Judy, what is your theory as to what`s happening?

JUDY HO, FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, Lisa, there is actually some very important factors here. One is anonymity. Once we have a big crowd, it is

easy for people to disguise themselves and not take responsibility and potentially have no consequences. So a lot of times we can see negative,

violence tends to break out especially when there are groups.

Secondly, the research shows that when people don`t really have a strong guiding principle about what they`re going to do or didn`t really make an

explicit decision, they tend to just go with the crowd. Go with what`s happening.

And that is because human being, there is an inherit need for belongingness, even when something is super negative, just like this. They

rather be part of the group than have to make that conscious decision to fight against it.

BLOOM: Judy, here`s something else I heard in some of these stories. People thought there was somebody with a gun. They all start running and they

start running out of the mall. And then it turns out there was never anybody with a gun. But it is just mob panic.

So I`m wondering if this mob panic is what`s causing the brawls or if it is the brawls that is causing the mob panic or maybe there is some kind of

weird cyclical problem.

HO: That`s a really good point. I think there is definitely attraction. You know how sometimes people are on a flight and then they see other people,

other passengers are panicking. Then they`re panicking even though they don`t know what the facts are. It sort of like this, you know.

Once you see somebody else around you panic, we are social animals, and so we look at other people for comparison. If that person is panicked, maybe I

should be panicked. So if everybody is running across and they are doing this, then they`re all going to be doing that at the same time.

BLOOM: Well, Monique Pressley, you know, we live in a country with a lot of gun violence. And if somebody is saying that there is a guy with a gun,

everybody is running, you know, I`m going to run, too. That doesn`t really explain the brawling. I would love to hear your theories on what`s going on

here.

PRESSLEY: I hate to mix the political with the legal. But I think you have to here. Law enforcement is also reporting that they believe social media

was one of the causes of driving.

BLOOM: Right.

PRESSLEY: . so many youth to the different locations. Perhaps we need to set a better example from the top down about not inciting violence through

stirring up things on social media. Perhaps we need to not be giving an example of causing fights through Twitter or through Facebook or through

Instagram as a source of driving things that have real high repercussions for young people.

And certainly we know now that fireworks were being used, not guns. But it seems like what happened is that something in cyber world turned into real

world panic.

[20:40:00] And that concerns me. I think it is a function as you said, Lisa, of our times.

BLOOM: Okay, but Joey Jackson, you know, I`ve never heard of violence inspired by social media where we didn`t know what it was on social media

that inspired the violence. Here I am talking about a hashtag but that`s all I can tell you because we don`t know what the hashtag was. We don`t

know what the social media was. We don`t know how these folks inspired (ph) to go and brawl in the mall. I mean, what do you make of this?

JACKSON: We don`t know that, but what we do know is that these young people are causing havoc and mayhem in particularly bad time of the year where

people are there shopping, returning things, and doing other things and therefore they exposed to this violence.

I do think yes we can blame social media, but we can also blame lack of supervision. And it is starting at home. And it is starting in schools. And

it is starting in churches. And it is starting in communities to work with, to teach young children, and of course to have them do things that are

productive.

This certainly is not productive, but I think there is a number of things we can blame it on, Lisa, but at the end of the day, I think certainly at

home and elsewhere, we need to set examples to young people so that this doesn`t occur.

BLOOM: Joey, I agree with you. I agree with you, okay? I have a 17-year-old foster son, he still lives in my home, and I have two grown children. And

I`m a big believer that teenagers should be busy and occupied at all times. On the other hand, if a 16-year-old or 17-year-old wants to go to the mall

the day after Christmas, you don`t normally think it is going to lead to some kind of violence.

JACKSON: You absolutely don`t. At the same time, you know, you don`t want to encourage it in any way or have them participate in any type of

violence. One thing to go to the mall to otherwise shop is another thing to go to the mall and engage in mayhem which we certainly don`t need.

BLOOM: Well, I think -- so I think where you and I agree is we got to be very clear with our kids. Okay, you`re gonna go, but you can go if you`re a

good kid and otherwise, you know, have a pretty clean record. But if you engage in any kind of acts of violence, any kind of bad behavior, that

freedom is getting yanked back and you`re going to do severe consequences at home.

JACKSON: Amen to that.

BLOOM: . and you got to call, you know, every hour, every two hours. I got to see where you are, you know. Let`s see.

JACKSON: Thirty minutes.

BLOOM: . I think we got to keep very close tags (ph) on them. And they do have to be accountable when they come home. You and I agree on that. Well,

how long do you think it would take three burglars to make off with millions of dollars worth of fur coats? Not as long as you might think.

[20:45:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BLOOM: It took less than a minute for three thieves to bust into a New York City fur boutique and get away with millions of dollars worth of

merchandise. Take a look. You can see the second person entering the store, gets hit in the head with part of the door jamb when it fell. But it didn`t

slow him down. New York cops are searching for the suspects now and so far, no arrests have been made.

Joining me again, Monique Pressley, Joey Jackson, and defense attorney Danny Cevallos. Welcome to you all and welcome back. Let`s take a look at

this surveillance video. I`m kind of surprise that New York City cops have not yet found these perpetrators. But here they are. I mean, throwing a

large object through, busting right in.

The door jamb hit him. He just goes in anyway. Seems to be okay. And immediately grabs the most high priced coats in the store and they make

their getaway very, very quickly. I mean, Monique Pressley, this seem like people who had really cased the joint and who knew what they were doing,

what they after.

PRESSLEY: Well, look, that`s technically called a smash and grab. And they knew exactly what they were doing. But for the hit on the head, it was

pretty effective. And apparently it doesn`t take a whole lot of time to commit a crime.

Now, if they get caught, they`re going to be doing some time. I would assume that because the camera footage is available to the police

department, that in any matter of time, somebody is going to say something that leads to these perpetrators getting caught. But for now, we`re stuck

with a very successful criminal operation on a small scale.

BLOOM: We are. And Danny Cevallos, you know, they`re all bundled up because it is New York City in the winter. You can`t walk down the streets in L.A.

where I live like that all bundled up with a hood and your face covered. You know, we talked yesterday about how I don`t really like people walking

around in public with their face covered because too many criminals use that to get away. I don`t know if the police are going to be able to I.D.

these people.

DANNY CEVALLOS, CNN LEGAL ANALYST, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: At least not from the video. Maybe some other surveillance video down the street as

they`re making their getaway. But these guys look pretty organized. I mean, I know -- I don`t want to speak for Joey Jackson, but if I broke into a

store like that, I wouldn`t know what the most expensive items were to grab.

These guys seem to know right away. They have been some kind of knowledge of furs. So I think maybe that`s what the police might be looking for.

Somebody who had some contact or knowledge with fur stones.

BLOOM: Yeah. You know, I wouldn`t know either because I don`t like fur. I`m a great animal lover. Trying to be objective. Nobody should have their

store robbed or broken into. But I think too many videos about how fur gets made and it`s not pretty.

CEVALLOS: New York`s finest (ph) is gonna get them, Lisa.

BLOOM: Well, speaking of fur, I have a more positive story. So this fury guy doesn`t have to worry about anyone trying on steal his coat. Hooray!

Check out these pictures of a 90-pound black bear in Wisconsin, who is so tame.

He was going up to people`s cars and peering in the windows. Hi! How are you? What`s going on? In fact, one of the guys he got too close to was a

bear hunter who wasn`t interested in getting up close and personal with the little guy.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I made some noise and clapped my hands, tried to scare him off the road, but he turned around and come running towards me, so I

got back in my truck.

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[20:50:00] BLOOM: Yeah. So this bear got lucky. Because he basically went - - Joey, right up to a hunter, like nose up to the car. And I think the hunter was so surprised, you know, he didn`t shoot him thank goodness.

JACKSON: What are the odds that a bear who is roaming around and disoriented is going to go right up to a hunter at that particular time.

But from what I understand, it was the first time this bear was not with the mommy and as a result of that, you know, he was searching and looking

around. Perhaps that was the reason. But, you know, we have some pretty effective and people who love animals and will do the right thing.

BLOOM: That`s me.

JACKSON: And perhaps will get this bear reunited with the family or back into the wild than do force.

CEVALLOS: You know, Lisa Bloom, I have to interrupt you. I blame kids movies. I blame cartoons. I blame people like Joey Jackson who has this

thinking these bears are adorable. They`re apex predators. They`re dangerous. If you see them, go to the other direction, Joey Jackson.

BLOOM: Well, that`s true.

JACKSON: No one was harm.

BLOOM: How about if we just leave them alone? How about if we just all live in peace at least during the holiday season.

PRESSLEY: Yes.

BLOOM: Is that too much to ask? And by the way, don`t feed them.

JACKSON: Can`t we all just get along.

BLOOM: Don`t get them (inaudible) to humans because humans are a lot more dangerous to them.

PRESSLEY: Don`t feed the bear.

BLOOM: . than they are to us. Thank you. We all agreed on something. Coming up next, a driver calls 911 after he sees a car weaving behind him.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A car behind me is all over the road. They just missed two head-on collisions.

BLOOM: But what police found when they stopped the car, simply jaw dropping.

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BLOOM: Here at "Primetime Justice," we see all kinds of stories about people driving drunk. Don`t. But this one is different. First off, there is

a 911 call that is pretty much a play by play description of the scary driving the caller was seeing on the road.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The car behind me is all over the road. They just missed two head-on collisions.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you know how many occupants are in the vehicle?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One, it looks to be.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Okay.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh no, here they go. She`s going to kill herself or somebody else. Man, she is flying. Oh-oh! She just went up on the sidewalk.

You are going to want to get here quick. And I`m sorry. I`m not like normally mister playing, you know, playing cop on TV, but I just don`t want

to see somebody gets, you know, and herself right. I don`t want to see anybody get hurt.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Absolutely.

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BLOOM: Thank you, caller. Thank you for being a good citizen. And secondly, the driver was a 27-year-old woman who had a 5-year-old child in the car.

When she was pulled over, police say she handed the boy a sippy cup full of wine to hold. That`s right. Elizabeth Floyd allegedly had a sippy cup of

wine in the car with her. And yes, when she was pulled over, the cops say she gave it to the child.

Joining me again, Monique Pressley, Joey Jackson, and defense attorney Danny Cevallos. So Danny, is it a separate crime to give your little cup of

hooch to the baby sitting next to you in the car?

CEVALLOS: Sure it is, yes, and it is an enhanced crime of child endangerment if you are DUI or OVI as they call it in Ohio with a child in

the car to begin with. So she is racking up offenses. The least of which is that you should never put a fine Richebourg in a sippy cup. But that`s

about the third thing in a long list of really horrible decisions that this person made.

BLOOM: Oh, Danny, Danny. Let`s talk about this one. A leaky toilet helped six inmates escape jail over the weekend. A sheriff`s office in Tennessee

says a water leak behind the toilet made the wall unstable. Yeah. A water leak will do that. So the inmates just pulled the toilet right out. Five of

the six inmates have been recaptured.

But officials say they`re still searching for David Wayne Frazier. Officials also say the jail has had numerous water issues in the past.

Okay. Joey Jackson, I`m going to you. Is it just me or are we seeing these prison break stories like all the time these days, are prisons that bad?

Are they crumbling so badly that people can just move the toilet aside and six guys just walked out?

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JACKSON: It`s not funny but it is funny. Look, it is not just you, Lisa, it certainly a problem. However, in other instances, this has been a little

bit more ingenuity on the part of the inmates attempting to escape. You don`t have any help from the institution by just saying okay, let me just

push this out the way because the building is crumbling down.

The water is deteriorating. So we need to make our prisons not impenetrable, they never going to be, but certainly a lot more sturdy than

what we see here on TV allowing prisoners to escape and endanger the public.

BLOOM: Yeah, Monique, how about at a minimum we don`t have giant holes in the wall in our prisons? I mean, is that too much to ask?

PRESSLEY: Well, look. They`re not responsible for the maintenance. Everyone knows we incarcerate more human beings than any other country in the world.

We have too many people. The prisons are not kept in good shape.

And if there is a way out and someone finds it because of lack of maintenance, then I`m not thinking they should get extra charges added on.

Perhaps we would want to let some people out who are in there for nonviolent offenses.

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PRESSLEY: Had to work it in, Joey.

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BLOOM: I don`t want to address the issue but I do like it. You know, I also think that everybody at a job should be responsible for everybody in their

workplace just like in my law firm, every attorney is responsible for all aspects of the case, not just the little part that I assigned to them.

And if you work in a prison and you see big hole in the wall, I don`t think it`s okay to just say, that`s not really my job to do prison maintenance. I

think you could at least alert someone, hey, you know, there`s water damage. Look, a lot of cold air rushing in all the time. This is probably

not a great situation when we are trying to house people.

All right. Thank you so much for watching and thank you to each of my guests for joining me tonight. I am trial attorney, Lisa Bloom.

[21:00:00] And for Ashleigh Banfield, Ashleigh, thank you for entrusting me with the show tonight. See you tomorrow night, 8:00 eastern for PRIMETIME

JUSTICE. "FORENSIC FILES" starts right now.

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