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HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Hala Gorani. Thanks for being with us on this Thursday. This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.

The head of U.S. intelligence say he's more certain now than ever that senior Russian officials engineered a campaign of election-related cyber-

attacks. James Clapper and other intelligence officials on Capitol Hill testified before a Senate committee today.

The hearing began with Chairman John McCain saying, "Every American should be alarmed by what he calls the unprecedented attack on our democracy,"

quote/unquote. Clapper said hacking is only part of Russia's subversive campaign that also includes, according to him, spreading disinformation and

fake news.


JAMES CLAPPER, U.S. DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE: A long history in this country of disinformation, this goes back to the '60s, you know, the

heyday of the cold war. Funding that they would share or provide to candidates they supported, the use of disinformation. But I don't think

that we've ever encountered a more aggressive or direct campaign to interfere with our election process than we've seen in this case.


GORANI: Several senators asked Clapper about Donald Trump's questioning of U.S. intelligence findings and the effect that could have. Listen to his



CLAPPER: I do think that public trust and confidence in the intelligence community is crucial and both in this country and, I think, the dependence

that other countries, other nations have on the U.S. intelligence community.

And I've received many expressions of concern from foreign counterparts, about, you know, the disparagement of the U.S. intelligence community, or I

should say, what has been interpreted as disparagement of the intelligence community.


GORANI: Well, we have 15 more days of President Barack Obama and you heard many more details today than we did. He received a full classified report

on the hacking, the same report that Donald Trump, the president-elect, will receive tomorrow. A declassified version will be released to all of

us, the public, next week.

Let's discuss all of this with CNN political analyst, Josh Rogin, and senior reporter for CNN Politics, Stephen Collinson. What's the big

takeaway from today on Capitol Hill, Stephen?

STEPHEN COLLINSON, CNN POLITICS SENIOR REPORTER: I think, Hala, the big takeaway is that Donald Trump's position on this issue has become more

isolated. After all, what you saw was an effective alliance between the intelligence establishment represented by those three senior intelligence

officers and Republican and Democratic senators.

Surely now, it becomes even more difficult for Donald Trump to argue either of this hacking did not take place or that Russia was responsible for it.

And I think it's put him in a more difficult position, politically.

And the big question now is, how does he try to respond? Does he try to brazen it out as he's done throughout his campaign and transition, or does

he look for a face-saving way out of this?

GORANI: And Josh Rogin, he will receive a classified briefing tomorrow. President Obama is receiving his today. If he does, in this briefing, if

he is told by intelligence officials, you know, we believe it's Russia that hacked the DNC, that interfered in the election, here's the proof, what

options does he have?

[15:05:08]JOSH ROGIN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Yes, well, after that, also, Congress will receive briefings and there will be an unclassified version

of the administration's final report on Russian interference of the election.

So we'll get a lot of information in the next few days. Now, it's clear that Donald Trump has already been told by the intelligence community that

they have very high confidence that the Russians were responsible for this, and still he's casting dispersions on the validity of that information.

So it's not clear that his view on this is going to change. We have seen the political pressure on him, resulted in him sort of walking back his

initial embrace of Julian Assange and the criticism of the intelligence community.

In a tweet just hours ago, he tried to sort of condition that, but for Donald Trump this is an intensely personal attack that he perceives as

questioning the legitimacy of his election. And it's not clear that there's anything the intelligence community the he distrust could tell him

that would make him change his mind.

GORANI: Now you're talking about the tweet where he blamed it all on the dishonest media once again, Josh?

ROGIN: Yes, that's right.

GORANI: Well, we have that one ready so we can put that up for our viewers to see, really kind of once again criticizing the media, essentially the

messenger for saying that journalists misinterpreted what he said. That he is a big fan of intelligence, although based on what he tweeted over the

last 48 hours, that's not really the conclusion many people have drawn.

Stephen, our Manu Raju was on Capitol Hill and he asked Senator John McCain what message with this hearing he wanted to send to Donald Trump and this

is what John McCain had to say.


MANU RAJU, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER: What message do you hope that the president-elect takes from this hearing today?

SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: Well, I hope he understands the importance of the role of the intelligence community and their -- they may

have made some mistakes in the past, but they are still vital in their advice and counsel and assessment for us to be able to secure this nation

and provide for its defense and security.

And it's clear that their conclusions at least so far have been correct and we should respect the intelligence community and appreciate their work,

recognizing that they're not always perfect.


GORANI: All right, so, Stephen, is Donald Trump essentially setting himself up for an inevitable clash with congressional leaders of his own

party on Capitol Hill or can this change, and if so, how?

COLLINSON: It would have to -- he would have to change his position. I mean, if you look at it right now, you know, 14 days or whatever it is

before the inauguration, he would go into office having put more, you know, authenticity into the views of Julian Assange and President Vladimir Putin

on this issue than the entire multi-billion-dollar sophisticated U.S. Intelligence Agency.

John McCain, who you saw there, Lindsey Graham, and some Democratic senators are already working on some sanctions to punish Russia for this

interference in the election. That sets up the extraordinary possibility that a Republican Congress could send a bill to Donald Trump on Russia,

which would conflict with his plans to improve relationships with Vladimir Putin's Russia.

He would have the choice of vetoing it. There's every indication that there might be a veto-proof majority in Congress nor. So, you can see, we

could have a huge confrontation over Russia in the early days of the next administration.

GORANI: And this is quite unprecedented, isn't it, Josh Rogin? I mean, before the president-elect even takes office, there you have very public

spats with leaders of his own party. You have tweets, essentially questioning the credibility of intelligence agencies. I wonder,

internationally, how can that already sort of affect the way, you know, allies and even enemies view the United States before Trump even takes


ROGIN: Right, personally, I've received hundreds of messages from foreign diplomats and officials, expressing deep concern with not only the

positions that Donald Trump is taking, vis-a-vis Russia, but also his seemingly sort of tenuous grasp of what most of us consider to be basic

facts about Russian actions and the U.S./Russia relationship.

And you know, this kind of uncertainty is trumpeted by the Trump administration as a sort of asset in terms of deterring adversaries, but

for allies, it's 100 percent bad, and it creates huge gaps in the understanding of foreign countries about where American foreign policy is

going and is forcing many of them to make calculations based upon either imperfect or absent information.

And that is going to have second and third-degree consequences well into the Trump presidency.

[15:10:03]GORANI: All right, indeed. So, Stephen Collinson, I want to also ask you about what this means for the rest of President Obama's

presidency. I mean, we're hearing and talking a lot more, of course, naturally about Donald Trump, but any impact there?

ROGIN: Well, the president, as you said, earlier, will get this classified briefing today. We don't know yet whether he's going to come out and speak

publicly about it, as much as he can. That possibly would take place after the unclassified version gets published on Monday.

I think another thing to watch is the president's speech next week, when he will sort of sum up his eight years in power in his home city of Chicago.

And another thing that's happening next week is the confirmation hearings start for the key foreign policy positions in the Trump administration.

Rex Tillerson as secretary of state, Mike Pompeo at the CIA, and defense, General Mattis. So I think you'll see Democratic senators try to really

pry into the differences between these nominees and Donald Trump and to try and sort of lacerate the president-elect on his positions on Russia.

Because they see this as an emerging weakness and they can see this confrontation, this split that's opening up in the Republican Party.

GORANI: All right, Stephen Collinson and Josh Rogin, thanks very much. We'll talk a little bit more about what impact this could have on

confidence within some of these intelligence agencies, potential recruitment to these intelligence agencies, as well.

And also those critics who say, look, intelligence agencies got it wrong in 2003. Why should we trust them today without more evidence? That's also a

question that's out there.

For its part, Russia is once again denying the hacking allegations, saying it is sick and tired of hearing about them. Frederick Pleitgen joins us

live from Moscow now with more. What are you hearing from the kremlin?

FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Hala, we actually have found out just how sick and tired they are, and by the way,

how fast they responded to this hearing, actually e-mailing me as this hearing was still going on.

In fact, right after the opening briefings, I got a message from Dmitry Pescov, who is, of course, the spokesman for Vladimir Putin. And the full

message he sent was, "We have suggested cooperation on combatting cyber threats numerous times. It was rejected. And we are sick and tired of

those irresponsibly blaming everything on our country. If there is a need for our enemy, why not try someone else."

That obviously the position of the kremlin as they were looking at and obviously watching this hearing going on. And it obviously is exactly the

line they've had over the past couple of days, saying that categorically, it wasn't their country that was behind it.

It's always interesting to hear their nuances. They don't deny that perhaps it was Russian hackers who were behind the DNC leaks. But they say

that these were not government hackers or anybody who has directed by the government.

Their wording of that is, "Official Russia was not behind this." And then, of course, obviously you have a lot of media outlets here reacting to the

hearings as well. One state-owned news agency calling the entire hearings a flop and saying that no new evidence was presented.

So obviously a very disparaging view of what went on in those hearings and once again a categorical denial of any sort of involvement by any Russian

government agencies -- Hala.

GORANI: And it's interesting, the response time. You are saying you were e-mailed while the hearings were still underway by a top kremlin official?

PLEITGEN: Yes, absolutely. And I think it shows how seriously they're taking this and how closely they're monitoring all of this. We have to

keep in mind that right now probably the quietest week that in Russia, in all of the year, it's literally the night before the orthodox Christmas.

So a lot of these people are obviously at home with their families and still taking the time to message us with their views on all of this. So

this is certainly something that's being watched very closely.

And at the same time, obviously a lot of these officials are very much looking forward to January 20th when Donald Trump takes office because they

believe that there could be a fundamental shift in favor of Russia in U.S. foreign policy when that happens.

Nevertheless, they're obviously still waiting and seeing whether or not that will actually translate into real policies, some of the rhetoric that

they're hearing from Donald Trump, which obviously a lot of them feel is very good and very much in favor of Russia and its policies over the past

couple of years.

GORANI: All right. Well, we've learned to expect the unexpected and unpredictable, so we'll see how all of that unfolds, two weeks, a little

bit more until Donald Trump takes office. Thanks very much, Fred Pleitgen, our senior international correspondent in Moscow.

Let's get some perspective now from CNN national security commentator, Mike Rogers. Thanks for being with us. First of all, of course, this hearing

didn't reveal any evidence. I mean, we're going to get a declassified version presented to the public on Monday. What was the objective of a

hearing like this on Capitol Hill?

MIKE ROGERS, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY COMMENTATOR: Well, I think the first and foremost was to point out the severity of the problem. And for those

of us who have been, you know, ringing this bell about cyber threats for the last decade or so, this is welcome news.

I mean, we're finally getting to the level of discussion and debate about the severity of the cyber threats to the United States. And we are one of

the most vulnerable countries because 85 percent of our networks are private network, which are incredibly vulnerable to nation state attacks or

international organized crime attacks.

And what you saw today was the elevation of the debate about this is a serious problem that we should be taking, certainly, we should advance it

in the things we're worried about in the national security space.

GORANI: And Mike Rogers is the commander of Cyber Command, U.S. Cyber Command, who, by the way, you have the same name, obviously not the same


ROGERS: But you can't have enough Mike Rogers in the national security space, right?

GORANI: There you go. Clearly, the name is an advantage. But one of the things he said is that this could undermine confidence among the people who

work for American intelligence agencies, but could also dissuade potentially, recruits, you know, people who might be considering joining

the U.S. intelligence agencies. Here's what he had to say at the hearing today.


MICHAEL ROGERS, COMMANDER, U.S. CYBER COMMAND: I don't want to lose good, motivated people who want to help serve this nation, because they feel

they're not generating value to help that nation. And I'm the first to acknowledge, there's room for a wide range of opinions of the results we

generated. We don't question that for one minute.


GORANI: So Mike, what do you make of that? Do you think that's a potential problem there?

ROGERS: Well, again, I do. And thing, listen, the president-elect is going to own the keys to every single cabinet and the lock to every single

safe or the combination to every safe on January 21st. He can do all the reviews, he can review how they come to conclusions, what their analytical

process is, they being the intelligence community.

He's going to have that ability and that is a conversation best held behind closed doors. When you have this open questioning of the value, either the

value of the intelligence, it does two things.

It risks what the Admiral Mike Rogers of the NSA was talking about, which is, recruiting people who could make a lot more money on the outside doing

the signals intelligence work of the NSA. That's certainly a problem.

But it also communicates to the rest of the world, people who are contemplating working with the United States of America, basically

committing an act of treason in their own country, because they believe in the ideas and values of America.

They need to do that through the CIA and if the American president doesn't have confidence in them, why should they? And I think this is the --

GORANI: And I've heard --

ROGERS: Yes, this is what worries --

GORANI: I was going to say --

ROGERS: -- people who have been in this business.

GORANI: Let me bring up the other point of view to you because I'm sure you're heard it. People who have said, why should we wholesale believe

U.S. intelligence agencies? They mislead us in 2003 on weapons of mass destruction. We want to see evidence. Why should we accept evidence

without anything to back it up?

I know we'll get an unclassified version of the report on Monday. But how do you respond to people who say, I legitimately want to see more proof

before I believe it's Russia?

ROGERS: Yes, and clearly there are outlets certainly in Congress to do that. And I can tell you, as the former chairman of the House Intelligence

Committee, we would get information about sources and methods. And this is the most sensitive thing revealed in these classified briefings.

And what you don't want to do is telegraph to our adversaries, how do we, in fact, collect this information, what our techniques are, and what kind

of people would we be using. That information will be given to members of both the intelligence committees and the armed services committees.

It's up to them to take the public face of that and come to their conclusions. You can't have all of that in public. You can give as much

as you can to the public, but there's also this check and balance in our system to say, we need to keep sources and methods secret.

But let me tell you as someone who got those briefings, there's a way to frame that information to make Americans understand what we have.

GORANI: I guess, a lot of people would say, look, it's not enough for you to tell me that some of those hackers used Cyrillic keyboards. That

doesn't mean the kremlin did it.

ROGERS: I absolutely agree with that.

GORANI: Yes, right. So we need more. I mean, you know, people will be asking for that, not just Americans, by the way. People where we are, here

in Europe and the Middle East and other parts of the world, they'll want a little bit more to go on.

ROGERS: And I think the U.S. Intelligence Services should give them as much as they possibly can, but you cannot give sources and methods. I

think there's pretty thin gruel in the public debate so far that the intelligence community has given.

I think you'll see a little bit more. They'll show a little more leg, if you will on Monday when they release the unclassified report that will give

people the idea and sense of what's behind it.

And then you're going to have hopefully a public dialogue with people who got the classified information and they can walk through at a level that is

declassified, what they know in a classified setting.

[15:20:06]I know that sounds jumbled, but I did it as chairman, literally, every week, to walk through that delicate process and you can do it. And I

agree, we do need more. But we also need to understand the whole depth of what Russian intelligence is up to, both in Europe, here in the United

States, Latin America, and the Middle East.

Listen, their intelligence services are very good. They're state of the art. They're very aggressive and they're not going to back down. And we

need to understand, you know, we shouldn't get caught in the semantics of giving Russia a pass when they do really bad things.

We ought to hold them accountable. I think this is a process that we're getting to, to be able to hold them accountable and assure our allies that

they, in fact, need to be concerned about this as well.

GORANI: Mike Rogers, thanks very much. We really appreciate it and we'll see what the reaction is of the president-elect, as well, after he receives

his classified briefings tomorrow, Friday. Thank you very much.

Our attention to Turkey now, a car bombing attack in Western Turkey has killed at least two people including a policeman. This dramatic video

shows the bomb going off near a courthouse in Izmir. More violence yet again in Turkey.

The state-run news agency says police also killed two suspected attackers. Another one may still be on the loose. Several other people were wounded.

The violence comes just days after, of course, that massacre in the Istanbul nightclub.

Speaking of which, the manhunt for the suspected gunman in the nightclub attack continues. And we're getting more details about the identity of the

shooter. Sara Sidner has that from Istanbul.

SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hala, the deputy prime minister coming out and saying that they do know the identity of this terrorist and they think

they know his whereabouts. Though they still have not released his name or any further major information about him.

Although we have seen those videos, that particular video where you can really see him clearly, where he's doing a selfie as he's walking through

the streets here in Turkey.

We also have heard from the deputy prime minister that potentially, the suspect is from the Uyghur community. That oftentimes comes from Central

Asia, but they also come from China, as well.

So the question now is, if they know where he is and they know what his identity is, just how long is it going to take before they're able to

capture him? They have already arrested dozens of people, including 20 people in Izmir.

What's interesting about that, they're saying that those who they arrested are in some way connected with ISIS and could be connected to this mass

killing inside of the Reina Nightclub.

But this is also the scene as you just mentioned of a major bombing today that killed at least two people in Izmir, although the government is saying

that is not connected to the terrorist attack at the nightclub.

But instead, they are blaming that on the PKK. A lot going on here. This country experiencing terrorist attack after terrorist attack after

terrorist attack in 2016. They were hoping that 2017 would be different. Well, in the first month, not even two weeks in, they've already had two

deadly terrorist attacks -- Hala.

GORANI: Thanks very much, Sara Sidner in Istanbul. This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Next, two years after the deadly terror attack on "Charlie

Hebdo," France is working to battle its homegrown problem there of the terrorist let in France. We'll have that story, next.



GORANI: This Saturday marks two years since terrorists killed 12 people at the "Charlie Hebdo" offices in Paris. Staff from the satirical magazine,

politicians, and families of the victims gathered at the former offices on Thursday to remember the lives lost. They laid wreaths and held a moment

of silence during a ceremony and also honored the policeman later killed by the attackers.

Well, the French government is working to fight Islamist radicalization. It has now launched an internet game to combat the online threat young

people face. Jim Bittermann meet the game designers who have firsthand knowledge of the threat.


JIM BITTERMANN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): You always have a choice is what the interactive video is named and through a

series of choices, viewers are taken step by step down a path towards radicalization, or not, depending on what decisions are made. The same

decisions a French young person might face.

(on camera): It's no secret that the French have a problem with homegrown terrorists. The interior ministry has a list of 12,000 people suspected or

known to be radicalized.

In the Middle East, hundreds of French young people are thought to be currently involved with fundamentalist groups. And here at home, there

have been numerous bloody attacks attempted or carried out by French nationals.

(voice-over): So as part of a half billion dollar campaign aimed at radical Islam called "Stop Jihad," government information officials created

the video targeted at young people and parents alike. Viewers can follow either a young man or a young woman as they fall in with fundamentalists,

who eventually lead them to terror cells in the Middle East.

It's similar to the journey Valerie de Bolsarolin (ph) 16-year-old daughter, Lea, took three years ago. Encouraged by a young man she met on

the internet, she traveled to Syria and has not come back. She regrets she didn't spot the radicalization signs shown in the video.

VALERIE DE BOLSAROLIN (ph), DAUGHTER TRAVELED TO SYRIA (through translator): Sadly, we did not talk about it in 2013. Now with time and

through the years, we're told the different detection for various signs. We realized that our daughter did, indeed, act that way.

BITTERMANN: In fact, she is taking part in the "Stop Jihad" campaign to emphasize that every parent should be concerned, with the way kids behave

at home may be entirely different than the way they behave under the influence of others.

Terrorism expert, Nafees Hamid, who has seen the interactive videos says because the video comes from the government, young people may not pay much

attention to it, but he says it's a very good warning to parents and families about how easily and quickly someone can be radicalized.

NAFEES HAMID, UNIVERSITY COLLEGE LONDON: It's also important as they highlight in the campaign, people tend to hide their radicalizing behavior.

It's not easy to spot. The Islamic State has put out messages inside their magazines saying it is acceptable by the rules of the caliphate to, if you

were drinking alcohol before, keep drinking alcohol. If you were doing drugs before, keep doing drugs before. Don't do anything that could make

yourself caught, as long as the purpose of that behavior is to remain clandestine wherever you are.

BITTERMANN: David Vallat who once was recruited by radicals to fight in Afghanistan and spent five years in jail because of it, now works to help

young people make the right choices and resist the fundamentalist recruiters.

(on camera): Is there something you think that could be said or done to stop young people from being attracted by the message of the Jihadis?

DAVID VALLAT, FORMER RADICAL FIGHTER (through translator): We should, and I think and I think it should be mandatory, that we add an extra class in

middle school to warn them against this ideology. It will take a long time. We have minimum ten years ahead of us.

BITTERMANN (voice-over): Vallat who is also taking part in the government's "Stop Jihad" campaign says there are no miracle solutions, but

it's critical to say to young people, as its video makes clear, you always have a choice. Jim Bittermann, CNN, Paris.


[15:30:00] GORANI: Still to come, the director of U.S. intelligence says he is even more sure Russia was involved in election-related hacking. The

kremlin disagrees, strongly. We'll have much more on what was said at today's Senate hearing. Stay with us.


GORANI: A look at our top stories. The Director of National Intelligence in the U.S. says the hacking of political e-mails must have been approved

at the highest levels of the Kremlin. James Clapper said the hacking did not succeed in changing any vote tallies, though, but it was impossible to

assess how the information released affected voters' attitudes. Russia denies that it was behind the hack and did so again today.

A car bombing attack in western Turkey has killed at least two people including a police officer. The bomb went off near a courthouse in Izmir.

The state-run news agency, Anadolu, says police also killed two suspected attackers and that another attacker may still be at large.

The Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has been questioned for the second time this week as part of an ongoing corruption probe. The Prime

Minister is suspected of receiving illegal gifts and favors from business executives. He has denied the allegations.

The U.S. President-elect is once again taking aim at a big company, a big car company once again. In a tweet, he says Toyota could face a big border

tax if they build a new plant in Mexico. Toyota responded, defending its investments in the United States and saying it looks forward to working

with the Trump administration.

All right. We want to take you live to Chicago now. Police there are briefing reporters on a shocking case that was broadcast on Facebook Live

of some teenagers and a 24-year-old torturing a mentally disabled individual. Let's listen in for a moment.



Illinois. He was to meet his friend there, Jordan Hill, who actually ends up being one of the offenders in this case. When he was dropped off, it

was under the premise that he would be spending the night with his friend, so his parents naturally didn't look for him until the next day. They then

subsequently reported him missing in Streamwood.

He comes to Chicago. He's at the McDonald's and Jordan Hill goes and steals a van in Streamwood. He then picks up our victim, who has no

knowledge that the van is stolen. He assumes it's Jordan's. They drive to the west side of Chicago, where they basically are driving around and

visiting friends for the next two days. The victim sleeps in the van.

[15:35:04] On the morning of the 3rd of January, they go to the address in Lexington, which is where two of the other three offenders reside, the two

sisters. And then about several hours later, that's when they bind him and start the assault on him. He is able to escape when a downstairs neighbor

calls the police, complaining of all the noise upstairs.

The police respond and the two female offenders now go downstairs. They're angry that the police were called. They kick in the door of that

apartment, hence they are both charged with the burglary. That gives our victim an opportunity to get out, and then he's observed walking down the

street by our 11th district officers. Officer Michael Donnelly will explain how they happen upon him.



DONNELLY: Donnelly, D-O-N-N-E-L-L-Y. While at our call, we observed our victim. He was walking with shorts and bells (ph), at which time I

observed him wearing a tank top inside out backwards, with jean shorts, and sandals on.

He was bloodied, he was battered, and due to the cold weather conditions, I approached him for a field interview, at which time after talking to him,

he didn't seem like he was -- he was very discombobulated. He was injured, he was confused, and at which time I called an ambulance.

I left him with two other officers, Officer Adamski (ph) and Officer Cronin (ph), to continue my investigation. I left him with them, which revealed

that he was a missing and endangered out of Streamwood, Illinois. They contacted the Streamwood Police and conducted an investigation, which

revealed and put the pieces of the puzzle together for what we have right now.

EDDIE JOHNSON, POLICE SUPERINTENDENT, CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT: And we'll take questions now if you have any questions.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you understand about the reason for the (inaudible)? What did the people tell the police why they did this?

GUGLIELMI: It appears prior to him being bound, tied up, and assaulted, the victim tells us he got into a play fight with Jordan and it escalated

from there. The two female offenders then -- I mean, you can see on video that they're smoking cigars, which we presume to be blunts -- they then get

aggravated at him and that's when they tie him up and that's the racial slurs and, you know, the deference to his mental capacity starts coming

out. That's primarily one of the reasons that they were charged with the hate crime.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there (inaudible) any premeditation at all or anything --


GORANI: All right. There you've been listening to a police briefing on a case that shocked many people inside the United States and really anyone

with an internet connection, but I want to get you some background on this case in the event that you weren't following it closely. The Chicago

police have filed hate crimes charges against four young adults accused of torturing a special needs teenager and showing it all on Facebook Live.

We're about to show you some of that video, which we must warn you, is quite disturbing.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There she is, grabbing it (bleep) calling his (bleep).


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dang, you cut (bleep)!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I cut a whole patch out of his (bleep) boy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why you do this?


GORANI: All right. So this gives you kind of a -- are we back? Yes. This gives you kind of a flavor there of what has people up in arms about

that particular case. All right. Let's move on back to our top story.

The leading U.S. intelligence official doubling down on his assertion that Russia was behind election-related hacking. James Clapper also said

foreign counterparts are concerned over Donald Trump's apparent disparaging of the intelligence community.

Another man who wasn't mincing his words in the hearing was the Republican senator, Lindsey Graham. He had a message for Donald Trump.


SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: If it were up to me, we would all live in peace, but Putin's up to no good and he better be stopped. And Mr.

President-elect, when you listen to these people, you can be skeptical but understand, they're the best among us and they're trying to protect us.


GORANI: Let's go live to Washington now and speak to Mark Jacobson. He's a former senior adviser to the U.S. Secretary of Defense, and he joins us

now from Washington, D.C.

Mark, good to see you again.


GORANI: One of the things that you wrote in an op-ed was about the increasing role of cyber attacks in modern warfare. So, of course, it's

not traditional warfare. Here, we're talking about warfare over the internet. How is that going to change the nature of how countries compete

with each other, you know, geostrategically?

JACOBSON: Right. Well, I'd make two points here. First, that it's going to make it harder for countries to attribute those actions. It's not as

clear as sending a clandestine intelligence agent in who gets caught and has a Russian passport or something like that.

But what I think is also important to understand is some things remain the same. No matter what the mechanism, cyber, espionage, what have you, this

is about the Russians collecting information that they are using for a broader political warfare campaign. Moscow has an agenda, and that is

weaken the West and to enhance the Russian foreign policy goals. And that remains the same, whether it was pre-internet age or in the future.

GORANI: Yes. And it's not as clear as, for instance, launching a missile, and so therefore, it's more difficult to convince those who, for instance,

want more proof, want more intelligence presented to them, that indeed Russia did hack, you know, the DNC server, for instance. So it so becomes

more difficult all around to make a case regardless of what side you're on.

JACOBSON: Still, we had some very big takeaways from the hearing today, I think. DNI Clapper made very clear that not only is it the Russians doing

this, but this was part of a multi-faceted campaign. Media manipulation, propaganda, disinformation, and, yes, a lot of it via the internet.

You know, this isn't about Putin getting on Twitter and putting out some information. This is about front organizations, cut outs, passing

information from one person to another to another and ultimately, to Julian Assange to put out on WikiLeaks. And this is how clandestine and covert

operations work. It's very disconcerting, but we have to understand that's what this is. This isn't just a cyber attack.

GORANI: All right. So the U.S. has the most powerful, certainly largest, conventional military force. There's no doubt about that. But when it

comes to cyber security and cyber warfare, how is the U.S. doing?

JACOBSON: Well, I think it's certainly a mixed bag. But part of this is that it's not just the U.S. government alone that can defend us. We're

talking about private/public partnerships. We're also talking about a transnational issue. You just look at the difficulties in getting E.U.

members and North Americans to agree on standards for data privacy.

It also involves the degree to which we allow our intelligence organizations access to private sector computer databases. And we've seen

the battle between Fort Meade and Silicon Valley on this. So I think that we certainly have a mixed record. The bigger challenge to me is educating

the public on what needs to be done.

Look, in the end, John Podesta, if he hadn't used --


JACOBSON: -- quote, "password" as his password and then used two-factor authentication, he might be in much better position today.

GORANI: Well, apparently, one of his aides actually clicked on a phishing link, which is even worse. We've all received them. But then, if it's

that simple to get confidential information that could potentially hurt a presidential candidate in the most powerful country in the world, I mean,

where do you even begin to protect very sensitive servers?

JACOBSON: The two biggest things I would say is, first, encryption. Actually, I'll make that three times -- encryption, encryption, encryption.

There's no reason that, whether you're at home or certainly working for a corporation or have sensitive political information, that shouldn't be

encrypted. Not just files, but e-mails.

The second piece is what's called cyber hygiene. That has to do with changing passwords, two-factor authentication. You know, you get a little

text message code after you log in. Those things alone can deal with a great number of these problems. Now, if a foreign intelligence service

wants to make a concerted effort, let's take a look at the Sony hacks or the OPM hacks or the DNC hack, it's a little bit more difficult.

But I also think it's important to understand, what's that information being used for? And a threat from the foreign intelligence services is

about these larger issues of trying to influence, let's say, American attitudes and perceptions about America's role in the world.

GORANI: And, Mark, one of the things Donald Trump said was, look, I'm not saying it's not Russia, I'm saying it could be anybody. It could be China.

It could be a guy on his bed in the basement, you know, hacking the DNC server. Even quoted Assange saying a 14-year-old could have done it. It's

basically the DNC's fault.

JACOBSON: Yes, it's hard for me not to call that disingenuous. I would hope that someone with the experience Donald Trump has, despite him not

growing up in the internet age, is a bit more sophisticated than that. But let's just take all this bluster as him trying to get over a long campaign.

[15:45:00] What I want to see the President do is take a serious look at the intelligence reports that the community is putting out and understand

that the Russians are trying to play him. They're trying to break the transatlantic bond between North American and the Europeans, and that we've

seen them do this in Syria and Ukraine.

And in fact, they've told us that this is what they're going to do. And you see, as we point out in the op-ed, the Chief of the Russian General

Staff was clear. We are going to manipulate information. We're going to try and manipulate your attitudes to support Moscow's agenda.

GORANI: Mark Jacobson, thanks very much. A pleasure having you on the program this evening.

JACOBSON: My pleasure.

GORANI: Still to come, it's not just the United States that's worried about hacking. Former parts of the Soviet Union say they are also victims,

they say, of Russian meddling, next.


GORANI: It's not just in the United States where they're worried about alleged Russian hacking. Russia's neighbors are worried about being

meddled with as well, apparently. Places like Ukraine, Georgia, and Latvia, as CNN's Ivan Watson found out, they're part of a neighborhood on



IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The war in eastern Ukraine. For more than two years, Ukraine has been fighting separatists

supported by its eastern neighbor, Russia, in a conflict that has claimed more than 10,000 lives and displaced some 2 million people. A shaky

ceasefire is barely holding.

But this isn't just a conflict being fought with bullets and bombs. Ukraine says it's recently survived at least 10 major cyber attacks that

have targeted organizations like the state railroad company, the Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Infrastructure, agencies that a society needs

to function normally.

So far, Ukrainian officials aren't publicly blaming the latest cyber assault on anyone, but Ukrainian and American investigators did blame

Russian hackers for a separate attack on an electric company in December 2015. It cut power completely in more than 100 cities across the country.

Officials in other former Soviet republics like Latvia say, they, too, are frequently targets of their Russian neighborhood.

JANIS GARISONS, STATE SECRETARY, MINISTRY OF DEFENCE OF THE REPUBLIC OF LATVIA: We're facing those challenges on the whole front. Information

warfare goes on the other basis. We're facing Russian propaganda, information warfare, and even psychological warfare.

WATSON: It's not easy to pinpoint the source of a cyber attack, but experts here argue they appear to be state sponsored.

JANIS SARTS, DIRECTOR, NATO STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS CENTER OF EXCELLENCE: Some of the programs that we've seen, it is very evident that no

commercial, criminal sector, or hacktivist would be ready to invest time and resources to such an elaborate program.

[15:50:01] WATSON: When former Soviet Republic Georgia went to war with Russia in 2008, the deadly battles were accompanied by hackers attacking

Georgian government websites. Former Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili accuses Moscow of further meddling during elections four years


MIKHEIL SAAKASHVILI, FORMER PRESIDENT OF GEORGIA: In 2012, they were heavily involved in Georgian elections. They have done cyber attacks over

different time periods. They have done all kinds of media provocations. They spread rumors. They send operatives to do all kinds of dirty tricks.

WATSON: But Russia does not have the monopoly on cyber warfare tactics. A computer virus called Stuxnet was discovered in Iran's Natanz nuclear

facility in 2010. It caused centrifuges to spin out of control and destroy themselves. Though no government officially claimed responsibility, many

experts accused the U.S. and Israel of carrying out the attack.

The threat of a possible cyber war could take our interconnected, highly computerized society into uncharted territory. Ivan Watson, CNN, Kiev.


GORANI: Coming up, the new, the cool, and the somewhat weird. We'll be live in Las Vegas testing the latest in tech.


GORANI: The world's biggest tech fair has finally launched in Las Vegas. The Consumer Electronics Show is an opportunity for the industry to show

its latest innovations. They're often cool, sometimes they're a little bit weird. Samuel Burke joins me now from the show in Las Vegas.

So I heard that you had a date with a robot named Pepper. And for some reason, you're holding a baby.

SAMUEL BURKE, CNN MONEY BUSINESS AND TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Hala. Well, this is actually not a marvel of technology delivering

me a child, but actually for a smart crib, which has microphones which listens for a baby. So I'm going to let it set up and take care of the

baby for now.

But one of the biggest trends we've seen here at CES has to do with voice recognition, and I think a lot of this is the success of the Amazon Echo

Speaker. You know, it's the speaker that you talk. It listens to your commands. It will play your music, help you cook in your house with

cooking instructions. And now, we see a lot of robots really zeroing in on the fact that voice commands are really the most important thing to make

technology function these days.

So I went on a date with Pepper.


PEPPER, ROBOT: My name is pepper. I'm a humanoid robot and I'm 1.20 meters tall.

BURKE: Are you a boy or a girl?

PEPPER: Well, in the end, I'm just a robot.


BURKE: So you see there, it is all about voice recognition. That's really the focal point of these robots. Interesting to see, they also make eye

contact with you, Hala, and that's become very important as well.

But so many tech companies here are trying to get their technology to work with the Amazon Echo. They just released a new version of a DVR. So you

can walk in your house and say, "Alexa, turn on THE WORLD RIGHT NOW," which, of course, I have DVR'ed, and then it will pop on your television.

You don't even have to touch your remote.

GORANI: So is this baby Pepper's baby? And what's this crib that it's in? Apparently, it's some sort of high-tech version.

BURKE: Well, it's not Pepper and I. It's not our baby, I can confirm. But so, like I was saying, there are microphones in this. This is called

the Snoo. It costs 1,160 bucks.

[15:55:01] So these microphones are listening to see what's happening with the baby, and then when they hear that it's crying, it starts rocking the

baby back and forth. It's in a special sack, I guess you could call it, so the baby can't turn over. And it even creates a swishing noise, and what

it's trying to do is emulate the noises and the movement that the baby would have had in the uterus actually. So $1,160 seems like a lot to me,

but maybe that's cheaper than using a nurse, Hala.

GORANI: How much is it, sorry? $1,000 -- how much? I wish --

BURKE: 1,160 bucks.


BURKE: $1,160 bucks, but when you add up the nanny, the swing, and the crib, maybe it could be worth the money, and the baby has been very calm.

I can confirm I'm a very good parent.

GORANI: And the battery-powered date?


GORANI: Anyway, on to something else. We're hearing about new technology -- and I don't exactly know what it is, but it's always good when someone

comes up with a solution for this -- but designed to help people with certain disabilities. Tell us about that.

BURKE: That's right. So much of the technology that we see here is cool, but people often criticize CES for not doing enough to actually make a

difference in people's lives. And we were drawn to this device which is called the Raphael. It costs 100 bucks initially for the device and then

$100 a month. It's actually for victims of strokes, people who have suffered strokes, so that instead of doing maybe physical therapy, always

having to go to the P.T. office, instead they can do exercises in the form of games at home.

So this is darts and it's actually for people, if you've lost mobility in one of your hands, let's say, you can start by playing this game. And it's

measuring how far you go up, how far you go down, and will tell you -- let's see if I get this -- when you need to do more work. It will tell

you, Samuel, you only went down about 50 degrees today. Yesterday, it was 60 degrees. You're going to have to work harder.

So we're actually seeing a lot more technology that has to do with medicine. And, of course, a lot of people think that insurance companies

paying for this could mean a lot of dollar signs for a lot of these companies, Hala.

GORANI: All right. Hopefully, it will help some people out there. Cool gadgets. Thanks very much. We'll let you get back to Pepper.

This has been THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. I'm Hala Gorani. I'll see you same time, same place tomorrow. "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS" is next.