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Crime and Justice With Ashleigh Banfield

Teen Kidnapped as an Infant Speaks Out; Orlando Police Chief Describes Capture of Alleged Fugitive Cop Killer; Online Impostor; Bio Mom Says She Wants Access; Woman Abducted from Convenience Store; Woman Hit by School Bus, Survives; E-Cigarette Explodes in Man`s Face. Aired 8-9p ET

Aired January 18, 2017 - 20:00   ET

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ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HOST (voice-over): Just eight hours old and stolen from the hospital, that kidnapping just revealed to a child now 18.

ALEXIS MANIGO, KIDNAPPED AS A NEWBORN: I`m coping with it. It`s something you can`t run from.

BANFIELD: Now a mother that she`s never met is a virtual stranger, and the only mom she`s ever known is locked up.

MANIGO: I still feel the same about her. Nothing -- there`s nothing different. My feelings towards my mother will never change.

BANFIELD: A PRIMETIME JUSTICE exclusive. Alexis Manigo talks about her life interrupted and where she goes from here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Markeith Loyd has been arrested.

BANFIELD: Hauled in and cuffed!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where have you been hiding?

BANFIELD: He was battered and bruised, but a month-long manhunt is over.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lieutenant Debra Clayton`s handcuffs were place on him.

BANFIELD: Now Orlando`s police chief lays into a suspected cop killer who took out two of his own. The chief is live with new details.

Say it ain`t so! Someone stole the Beeb`s (ph) ID. And what they did with it was sick. Calling all parents. Watch your kids` inbox. Those celebs

may be perverts cat-phishing (ph) your kids.

They adopted a handful of kids, and now they`re headed for divorce. But did one woman give up her baby for Brangelina`s charmed life?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) AIDS orphan.

BANFIELD: Does the birth mom in Africa now want back in the picture?

Some things you have to see to believe, like the brazen and violent abduction of a distraught woman calling 911.

They`re supposed to be cleared for use, but does this look safe to you? Warning! Vaping can be very dangerous. Just ask this guy.

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BANFIELD: Hello, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield, and welcome to PRIMETIME JUSTICE.

If there is one thing you know, it is your name. And if there`s one comfort you have, it is your family. But for a teenager in South Carolina

tonight, both of those things are gone in the blink of an eye because on Friday, detectives told Alexis Manigo that she was stolen as a newborn and

that the only mother she has ever known is not her mother at all and instead is that inmate there behind bars at the county jail, booked on

kidnapping and facing decades in prison.

As traumatic as that is for Alexis, there is a family in Florida tonight who has been grieving for her for years, ever since that nice young nurse

just walked off with their baby. They had named her Kamiyah, but Kamiyah grew up to be that woman on the right, Alexis. And at the tender age of

18, Alexis has come face to face with her real family for the first time, all at the same time processing this lie from the only mom she has ever

known.

In a PRIMETIME JUSTICE exclusive tonight, I had the chance to talk with Alexis Manigo about her overwhelming situation, and I asked her if she is

angry with her so-called mom.

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ALEXIS MANIGO, KIDNAPPED AS A NEWBORN: Oh, no, not at all!

BANFIELD: Even though the circumstances of your life began in such a confusing and difficult way?

MANIGO: I still love her.

BANFIELD: Talk to me about those feelings because I can only imagine you`re processing a lot right now as an 18-year-old. Talk to me about how

you feel about your mom and everything you`ve learned.

MANIGO: I still feel the same about her. Nothing -- there`s nothing different. There`s nothing different. I`m processing it, like I said.

But I`m a big girl. There`s just (INAUDIBLE) at my front door right now, but I`m a big girl. I can process it all. But like I said, my feelings

towards my mother will never change.

BANFIELD: You are definitely a big girl. You`re so articulate and you`re so composed. And I think if I were in your shoes, I don`t think I could

be. And I`m wondering where you`re getting the strength.

MANIGO: I`ve just always been that kind of person.

BANFIELD: Do you feel like your mom, Gloria, gave you the best upbringing that you could have asked for?

MANIGO: I do feel like she raised me right. I do feel like she raised me great. I feel like I`ve had a good life.

[20:05:00]BANFIELD: And now putting into perspective and adding to that great life the real-life circumstances that you biologically belong to

someone else and they were deprived of your last 18 years, and you deprived of being with them for the last 18 years, how does all that feel?

MANIGO: I don`t like to think about the past. All we can do is move forward.

BANFIELD: I imagine that one of the easiest ways to deal with this in these early days is not to think about it because it is very confusing and

uncomfortable. But do you see, as an 18-year-old young woman, that you`re going to have to face these realities?

MANIGO: Eventually, I will have to. But for now, I`m -- for now, I`m not trying. I`m not in a rush to feel those emotions all at once.

BANFIELD: What do you think is going to happen when those emotions do come flooding in?

MANIGO: I`ll probably cry more than I have in the past, definitely. But it`s -- there`s nothing we can stop. We -- I`m just going to take it and

keep going.

BANFIELD: Speaking of crying, I was trying to put myself in your shoes when you learned your true identity, and I wanted to know what your

reaction was when you first learned that you, in fact, had come from another family.

MANIGO: I don`t want to discuss that.

BANFIELD: Is it because of the legal implications, or is it because of the emotional implications?

MANIGO: The legal side.

BANFIELD: Tell me about that time that you saw your mom in the detention center. She was behind that mesh screen. And I could hear you -- I could

hear you crying, and it made me very emotional. I want to get through, you know, into your mind and find out what you were going through at that

moment when you had to speak with her through that mesh.

MANIGO: I just couldn`t take that she was in cuffs. She`s not an animal. That`s all I can say. I don`t think she deserves to be in cuffs.

BANFIELD: At all? I mean, there -- there was a crime committed, and it`s a serious crime. And there`s a Mobley family that loves you very much and

has baked a birthday cake for you every single year of your life. And they were devastated by the loss of you when you were so tiny, just 8 hours old

and so cute in your baby picture, I may say. Just thinking about their loss and what they`ve gone through for 18 years, I know it`s hard because

this is your mom we`re talking about. But are you able to think through what she deserves to have happen to her? And what do you think should

happen to your mom?

MANIGO: I have not been able to sit down and actually say what I think should happen simply because I have this side, the Mobleys, you know,

probably thinking, you know, just lock her up plainly (ph). And then I have, you know, this family saying they think this should happen, which --

so I just choose not to really say my opinion and just stay neutral.

BANFIELD: There was one question I wanted to ask you about how you were told from detectives, from the police. Can you take me back to that day

and how it actually played out that you were told what was going to happen and who you were and what was going to happen to your mom?

MANIGO: I know one of the officers that did come -- I know he had something outrageous to say, but the officers at the police station, they

were just talking to me. They were just telling me what was going on. They didn`t tell me how much time she was facing. They didn`t tell me

that. They just told me what she was being charged for.

BANFIELD: But take me back because I don`t even know how they approached you or where they approached you or where they told you, or where your mom

was at that time. Like, what happened?

MANIGO: I don`t want to talk about any of that.

BANFIELD: I understand.

JUSTIN BAMBERG, ALEXIS`S ATTORNEY: And Ashleigh?

BANFIELD: Yes, Justin. Go ahead.

BAMBERG: What I`ll do is -- yes, I`ll jump in on this. You know, it was sometime last week that Alexis was approached by law enforcement. And they

were seeking to obtain a DNA sample. And of course Alexis, you know, she understands her rights and she asked, Did they have a warrant?

[20:10:00]They, of course, did get one, and she complied and she gave them a cheek swab, and they were able to go test the DNA. And it`s our

understanding that that is how they confirmed that Alexis was, in fact, baby Kamiyah.

BANFIELD: Did she have any idea why the detectives were asking for a cheek swab?

BAMBERG: They gave her some information. And of course, in the warrant, they have to specify, you know, what they want and why they want it.

BANFIELD: What were the circumstances of that meeting, Justin? How did they -- how did detectives present themselves to let Alexis know what they

were there for?

BAMBERG: Yes, they did their job. You know, their job is to investigate a crime. Their job is to follow up on leads. And that is what they did.

You know, this is a very difficult situation because everybody`s life is turned upside down by this. To the Mobleys, who have been searching for 18

years and holding onto hope that their daughter was alive and well, this is a very joyous occasion for them.

Personally, Alexis is happy to get to know them, and it`s going to be an ongoing process. But on this side, you know, Alexis -- Gloria is what

she`s known. Her mom is what she`s known. And they`re now torn apart and Gloria is in jail, and everyone understands, including Alexis, that what

Gloria is alleged to have done is wrong.

BANFIELD: Alexis, I know that you`re having visits with your mom at the detention center. And I assume that they`ll be somewhat regular. But is

there anything that you`d like her to know? Is there anything that you would like to say to her, especially for others to hear so that they know

how you feel right now?

MANIGO: (INAUDIBLE) tell me my mother what she knows is. I`m pretty sure she knows that I love her to death. Keep your head up. And I love you.

Hang in there.

BANFIELD: Did she ever tell you that most important thing, though, and that was why?

MANIGO: I don`t want to talk about that.

BANFIELD: I understand. Alexis, thank you very much for talking with us. And please thank Justin, if he can still hear me, as well. You`re in great

hands with Mr. Bamberg. And I really wish the best for you. You`re a great kid. You`re just an amazing kid.

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BANFIELD: I can`t imagine what she`s going through. Here`s the thing. It is clear that Alexis Manigo has a lot of questions that still remain. As

uncomfortable as they might be, they`re going to need to be answered at some point. For instance, did Alexis tell a friend, as an affidavit

outlined, that she believed she`d been kidnapped? And did she know that there was a missing persons case on her, again outlined in an affidavit?

It appears that that just might have been the big break that police needed to actually find her. That investigation is continuing.

And joining me now, former prosecutor Christine Grillo, defense attorney Robert Schalk and defense attorney and CNN and HLN legal analyst Joey

Jackson.

Christine Grillo, big questions -- can they compel her to testify against her -- I keep saying her mom. To her, it is her mom. To us, she is an

alleged kidnapper and potentially a woman in a lot of trouble.

CHRISTINE GRILLO, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Well, sure. She has relevant testimony. They can serve her with a subpoena and certainly compel her to

testify. The question becomes, do you really want to do that as a prosecutor? Do you need her testimony? Do you need to put her through

that? And it could backfire for you as the prosecutor because you could be putting out there all of the evidence that`s going to help a jury be super-

sympathetic to the person you`re trying to convict.

BANFIELD: They`re not going to be sympathetic if you`re grilling her on the stand about her mom!

GRILLO: Well, that`s what I mean, that they`re going to be then sympathetic to the defense attorney.

BANFIELD: So Joey, could she have an impact elsewhere, like in sentencing, if it gets to that?

JOEY JACKSON, CNN/HLN LEGAL ANALYST: Exactly. If it gets there. I see a plea in her future. I think there could be a substantial impact. Now, it

has to be punished, Ashleigh. We know that. Why? Because you can`t have people saying, If I`m a good parent, I can steal whatever child I want and

I can get away with it. So it needs to be punished.

By way of reference, quickly, I represented the biological father of Carlina White. (ph) She was returned 23 years later. The child really

supported her mother, her non -- biological mother so hard. She said, I love you. I can`t believe this is happening. The prosecutor, federal

prosecutor, wanted 20 years. She ended up getting 12-and-a-half. So it has a significant impact on sentencing.

BANFIELD: She had an impact on her.

JACKSON: Yes, she did. Yes, she did.

BANFIELD: We`re going to keeping watching that case. It is outstanding. It`s just such an unbelievable case. And I am so torn, even in

interviewing and having to reference her mom, knowing full well it`s not her mom.

JACKSON: Great interview, by the way. And how poised and intelligent...

BANFIELD: How poised is she?

JACKSON: ... and composed was that child...

BANFIELD: Oh!

JACKSON: Or adult now.

BANFIELD: Right?

JACKSON: Yes.

BANFIELD: And given the circumstance she`s in, how remarkable she`s holding up for now. Thank you.

JACKSON: Exactly.

BANFIELD: The other story -- they got their guy, an armed and dangerous alleged cop killer suspected of gunning down his pregnant girlfriend.

Orlando`s police chief tells us how this arrest went down. And you can see from the pictures, it was a rough one.

[20:15:10]And a long, long way from Hollywood, a woman wants to be in touch with one of Brad and Angelina`s adopted children. But can she?

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BANFIELD: They had been tracking him for more than a month, but an alleged cop killer, Markeith Loyd, was finally cuffed last night and hauled in off

the streets of Orlando. We were wall to wall with the breaking news after police closed in on an abandoned house. Though he put up quite a fight,

they caught him. And battered and bruised, they marched him into the police department for triage, and shall we say, some paperwork. Not long

after, he got marched right back out of the police department on the way to the hospital. Note the bandages were free (ph).

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[20:20:00]UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Markeith, don`t you wish you would have just gone to jail a week ago? Do you have anything you want to say for

yourself?

MARKEITH LOYD, MURDER SUSPECT: Yes, they beat me.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you think you should have turned yourself in a week ago? Do you regret killing a cop, Markeith?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Well, now it`s almost 24 hours later and his brief cozy stay at the hospital is over. And he is back in a jail cell where he belongs for

allegedly leaving a trail of bodies in his wake, one of them a pregnant girlfriend, two of them cops.

Orlando police chief John Mina joins me live. Chief, thanks so much for taking the time to speak with me. I watched you last night. I watched you

smile as you walked into that police department after that collar was brought in. And I wondered how you planned that takedown, given that this

man was so dangerous, given that he had a propensity, allegedly, to kill a cop. How did you do it? What did you do different closing in on him in

that abandoned house?

JOHN MINA, ORLANDO POLICE CHIEF: Well, that`s exactly right. We knew he had a violent history. He`s been arrested numerous times for assaulting or

battering police officers. He was known to be armed. And we`re talking about a cold-blooded killer who shot and killed the mother of his unborn

child, and then came back and shot at her family, and then shot and killed Orlando police officer Lieutenant Debra Clayton.

So -- and we also knew that he was armed and dangerous, obviously, and that he had been wearing body armor. So we weren`t taking any chances with

Markeith Loyd. We put our best tactical officers out there and called in SWAT.

BANFIELD: But how did you plan this? It had to be different than other takedowns because this was not your average guy.

MINA: Absolutely. That`s why we -- so we learned of his location through some great police work and looking into all of his associates. And once we

had it narrowed down, obviously, the house was surrounded.

He did try and escape out the back, and then came out -- ran back inside, came out the front door. And you know, he was armed with two handguns,

which he did put on the ground, and was wearing that body armor.

So officers were very careful with him. And you know, based on his history, you know, we put the best tactical teams we had available out

there. And you know, I think it`s important to note that one of the reasons we were extremely careful with him, we weren`t going to take any

chances, is that when he shot and killed Lieutenant Debra Clayton, he shot her, she went down to the ground. He could have easily diverted and went

to his car. He had free and clear way to get to his car to get away. He chose to go to Lieutenant Debra Clayton and stand over her and shoot her

multiple times.

See, that first shot that he fired was not the fatal shot. That sent her to the ground. But instead of getting away, he came over to her, stood

over her and shot her multiple times with the fatal shots that killed her. So we know he -- Markeith Loyd is the scum of the earth. He is a cold-

blooded killer, and we weren`t taking any chances with him.

BANFIELD: That is an incredible detail. We had all been of the conviction that he was shooting behind him as he continued to run from her and that --

kept shooting at her as she was falling and on the ground. But we had no idea he went over and stood over her executions-style. Was that what

you`re saying?

MINA: Absolutely. I`ve seen the video myself, and that`s what he did. Multiple shots were fired. She did return fire and we believe hit him in

the chest, but his body armor stopped it. So one of his first shots sent her to the ground after she -- she basically tried to run for cover.

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: You just said that you`ve seen the video. There`s bodycam video of this, or is there a cruiser cam video?

MINA: There`s no bodycam video. There is surveillance video from the Wal- Mart as she was shot at.

BANFIELD: How many times did he shoot her when she -- how many shots did he fire at this officer?

MINA: We`re not releasing the number of shots or how many times Debra was hit. All`s I will tell you is that it was multiple shots and that, like I

said, he could have easily gotten away after she lay on the ground bleeding, but from a non-fatal wound, but he decided to go up and kill her

execution-style, like you said, when she was totally defenseless. And that -- the fatal wound was when he approached her and shot her while he was

standing over her.

BANFIELD: That`s incredible. You know, we noticed last night as the charges were being listed off that the charges regarding the murder of now

Lieutenant Clayton -- and by the way, I think that was a fantastic move of yours to posthumously promote her to lieutenant. But there are no charges

right now pertaining to Lieutenant Clayton, nor are there any charges pertaining to the officer, Norman Lewis, who died when he -- his motorcycle

was struck in pursuit of this man. Is that coming soon?

[20:25:10]MINA: Well, the charge is for first-degree murder of a law enforcement officer, and a slew of other charges are forthcoming. There is

no rush to put those charges together. He already had a warrant for his arrest for the murder of Sade Dixon.

So those charges are coming. We`re just working with the state attorney`s office to make sure that case is rock solid. There`s no rush. Obviously,

he`s not going anywhere. He`s not getting out of jail any time soon. So we`re going to take our time, and probably by the end of the week, we will

add a host of charges, first degree homicide of a law enforcement officer and multiple weapons charges because he is a convicted felon.

BANFIELD: And you also said, last night and just now, that this was gumshoe policing, this was good policing work that led you to him. This

was no one helping. This was no one who knew him or helped him in this month on the run helping and doing what they should have done, or even

being interested in the $125,000 in reward money.

Who else is coming down the pike? You mentioned it last night, there`s more arrests coming. Who else and when?

MINA: Yes, it was very frustrating, although we did receive 1,400 tips of people who thought they knew where he was, the actual arrest came from

great police work, who, you know, just worked tirelessly for nine days and basically living out of their cars and following up leads of -- and looking

at different associates, and where they lived and where they operated, and you know, what phones they were using and -- so we believe or we know that

there are several people that are close to him that helped him not only through the nine days but prior to the murder of Lieutenant Debra Clayton.

So we`re putting those cases together, and if we can, they will be charged, as well.

BANFIELD: I have a question to ask you. As this man was trying to escape out the back of the house and then ultimately retreated back into the

house and then came out the front of the house to face down a phalanx of SWAT members, did anyone fire off a shot at him? Because you knew who you

had there and you knew he had body armor and you knew and saw he had two weapons.

MINA: No. The officers showed great restraint. He did come out with body armor and did come out with the guns. The guns were put on the ground very

quickly, so our officers, you know, moved in a little closer and had him come to them. But he failed to comply with police commands, resisted

arrest, and they used force in order to get him in handcuffs.

BANFIELD: Congratulations, Chief. You got your guy. And I know for a fact that Sade Dixon`s mom is happy you brought him in alive. And good

luck. Good luck with the rest of the arrests that are coming. We look forward to talking to you again. Congratulations.

MINA: Thank you.

BANFIELD: Chief John Mina -- man, did they get their guy, and that was a long-fought battle, too, on the run for over a month.

Justin Bieber has fans all around the world, fans that will go to great lengths to meet him. But wait until you hear what someone did posing as

Justin Bieber, allegedly convincing a young fan to do something no parent ever wants to hear their little girl did. Remember this. Justin`s a

victim here, too, because he had no idea this was going on.

And also this, caught on camera, a terrifying kidnapping. This is the kind of domestic violence that you simply rarely see caught on camera.

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BANFIELD: I know I am not alone when I say this. I am a fan of Justin Bieber. Because there are millions of us out there, I don`t care how old

you are. His songs are great. His dancing is great. He has got a bit of an attitude and a bit of crime issue, but he`s a pretty good performer.

And that is why some people think it`s a great idea to impersonate him if you want to get something out of his fans. And why not? There`s the

internet, right? And I guess that`s what a guy name Brian Asrary was thinking when he allegedly posed as Justin Bieber online to get little

girls as young as 9 to send dirty pictures of themselves.

That`s what he is charged with. Brian Asray. And Justin Bieber had no idea this was going on, not a clue. So you could say that he also gets

implicated unfairly in this, and he is also a victim in all of this. A 9- year-old girl, not only once did she do that, send those naked pictures, because she was enticed to do so, it happened a second time, because she

was threatened that those first pictures would go public.

Candace Trunzo is a senior news editor at DailyMail.com. Candace, this is just unbelievable. Do you know if the police were able to reach out to

Justin Bieber to at least let him know this has happened and that they had caught this man and that he had confessed and that there were other kids as

well?

CANDACE TRUNZO, SENIOR NEWS EDITOR AT DAILYMAIL.COM: Yes, they did reach out to Bieber and of course he was astounded. You know, Justin Bieber has

been accused of doing some incredible things. In this case, he had nothing with it at all. Totally innocent and shocked that someone would impersonate

him and do this horrific thing.

BANFIELD: So, you know, I`m just going to correct myself because it`s important that his real name gets out there. I called him Asray. It`s

Asrary. I missed an R. Asrary.

TRUNZO: Asrary.

BANFIELD: So, Brian Asrary is out there. And my guess, Candace, is he`s not the only person who does this. That there`s a lot of parents out there who

need to realize if your kids think they`re talking to

[20:35:00] an uber-celebrity (ph), it`s possible they`re talking to someone like this?

TRUNZO: That`s right, exactly.

BANFIELD: Oh, I think we just lost Candace. That`s usually what that dial tone means. I want to bring my attorneys, Christine Grillo, Joey Jackson,

and Robert Schalk. Bob, as a mom, I`ve got two boys who like Justin Bieber, I like Justin Bieber, and I can see this happening so quickly. And the

damage is done with one click. Why is this not a federal crime?

ROBERT SCHALK, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It should be. Because what happened is he is disseminating child pornography through social media and through the

telephone. That is an automatic federal offense.

BANFIELD: And he confessed to having pictures of other girls from other states.

SCHALK: Correct. You have an investigation in Massachusetts and investigation in California. The authorities are going to get together and

a lot of times what happen is the federal government allows the state or local authorities to do the investigations and then they swoop in at the

last minute and charged him. Why? Because their sentencing statutes are so stronger, he`ll do more jail time.

BANFIELD: So Christine, the charges are possession of child pornography, extortion, manufacturing child pornography, communicating with a minor for

sex. Does that about cover it?

GRILLO,: You know, pretty much, and bringing in -- we`re talking about also the federal, there are laws of evidence to get stuff into evidence is much

more lenient than on the state level. I am hoping they will come in and prosecute him federally.

BANFIELD: Did the parents of this 9-year-old girl have any recourse here? There was an app that was used called "Kik." I think a lot of people know

what it is. Let`s say it wasn`t "Kik." Let`s say it was any other app. Can they sue the app for being a part of this?

JACKSON: I don`t think they have a viable suit against any app that is out there because what that leads to then, Ashleigh, something called ruinous

liability. When you start imposing liability upon the makers or manufacturers of the applications.

No, you`re not going to have any because there are going to be suits, you know, so thoroughly. Just one other point to add to what Bob and Christine

were talking about, you know, it`s not all bad to sue them or to otherwise prosecute them criminally in state, because we talk a lot about concurrent

versus consecutive.

BANFIELD: Yeah.

JACKSON: You prosecute him in Massachusetts, he gets convicted, he serves time. You prosecute him in California, he`s convicted, he serves time. So

ultimately federal state justice is done.

BANFIELD: So what you`re telling me is that Brian Asrary to ours is.

JACKSON: Is in a lot of trouble.

BANFIELD: He`s in a lot of trouble.

JACKSON: Yes.

GRILLO: As he should be.

BANFIELD: Probably not a bad thing. And I really feel for the parents of that -- please, parents, if you`re out there, keep an eye on your kids`

social media. One click and the damage is done. It can take seconds.

I have another kind of Hollywood sort of story to tell you. This is a dramatic turn. The biological mom of a girl adopted by these two,

recognize them? Of course you do. Hollywood`s most famous former couple, Brad and Angelina. Now that mom wants some access to the girl.

And then that trend of vaping, supposed to be a safer alternative to smoking cigarettes, but not if they blow up in your face, and I mean

literally blow up in your face. And this guy, this guy, wants you to know his cautionary tale should be told loud.

[20:40:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: A little baby mama drama tonight. It involves none other than Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie. But there is very interesting twist in what`s

going on here. Unless you have been living under a rock, it is no secret that that rock star couple has filed for divorce, right? Angelina wants to

divorce Brad.

Since that bombshell dropped, the biological mom of one of their adopted kids, Zahara, is now asking to speak to the girl or get any type of access

to the girl. The story is being reported in "The Daily Mail." The birth mom lives in Ethiopia. It should be noted that Angelina was told that Zahara

was an orphan back when she adopted her in 2005.

And Angelina did not find out that Zahara`s mother was alive until two years later. So the question is, can a birth mom just come out of the

woodwork if something has changed in the marriage of the adoptive parents? Candace Trunzo, senior news editor at DailyMail.com, you heard the dial

tone before? She`s back.

TRUNZO: Yes.

BANFIELD: Candace, this is a weird story. Does Zahara`s mother want her back or just want to talk to her? If that`s the case, why?

TRUNZO: Right. She doesn`t want her back. All she wants to do is speak with her, perhaps see her. You know, she`s heard even in Ethiopia that Brad and

Angelina are getting a divorce. She is concerned about her daughter. She wants to know what is going on.

BANFIELD: So I want to play this quick sound bite where my colleague Wolf Blitzer interviewed Angelina about Zahara. It was back in 2005. Take a

listen.

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ANGELINA JOLIE, ACTRESS: She`s from Ethiopia. She`s an AIDS orphan. And.

WOLF BLITZER, JOURNALIST AND TELEVISION NEWS ANCHOR: What does that mean? An AIDS orphan.

JOLIE: It means that they -- that`s what they believe how she lost her parents.

BLITZER: Both her mother and her father?

JOLIE: Yeah, they didn`t have a track on the father. I think the mother was -- I think there wasn`t like a marriage. I think it was just a woman got

pregnant.

BLITZER: Does Zahara have AIDS?

JOLIE: No, she doesn`t, but we didn`t know that at first.

BLITZER: She`s not HIV-positive.

JOLIE: She is not, no. I think the most upsetting thing for me and then -- was that I came here, she had to go to the hospital for dehydration and

malnutrition. When she got there, there were lots of other things that they were concerned about.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So Bob, I have a question about -- when you`re an adoptive parent and something changes in your world and a birth parent knows about that

because you`re Brad and Angelina, and it`s all over the place, do you have any recourse? Can you make this kind of demand? I want to talk to my child.

SCHALK: You can make a demand, but I don`t think it`s going to be granted.

BANFIELD: Why?

SCHALK: You`re talking here because these are about multi-millionaires who are adopting a child from another country. You`re talking -- lawyers are

involved. And I can guarantee that adoption agreement ironclad. Secondary to that, they claimed to not have known that she even existed until two

years later.

I think it will be interesting to see how this places itself out, whether they give her access

[20:45:00] but I don`t believe there`s any obligation legally for Brad or Angelina to allow her to talk.

BANFIELD: Christine, when you give up your parental rights in an adoption, you just give him up? What if you find something out, and you think I gave

him up under certain pretenses but not this?

GRILLO: And not after all these years. I don`t think that she should have a right. In any other adoption, if it wasn`t these famous people, she

wouldn`t be -- I don`t think coming out of the woodwork to seek this out. I don`t think she should have the right to do that.

BANFIELD: You know the sad part of this? First, Zahara can read everything on the internet. And if it were just any other couple, it wouldn`t be on

the internet, that child would never know anything about this, but that child does, because it`s Brad and Angelina.

Cleveland police are on the lookout for a man tonight, not just any guy, the guy I am about to show you. A man who dragged his own child`s mother

out of a convenience store in a very violent way. Look at her terror, and look at that violence. We`re going to show you this tape and tell you where

this case stands right now.

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BANFIELD: I know you hear a lot about domestic violence, but you don`t usually see it. You know, it`s behind closed doors. And you`re about to see

it in Ohio. There was a woman who abducted so violently out a convenient store by the father of her children. She walks into the convenient store.

She is visibly shaken and crying when she comes in. There she is wearing the boots.

She asked to use a phone. She actually dialed 911. There she is crying, wiping her eyes, asking for phone, need some help. She`s dialing 911 and

talking. And watch the reaction on her face when the man comes in. Watch what he does. It`s terror. It is violent. He not only grabs her and tears

her out of that convenient store. He stuffs her into that SUV. And he drives off with her.

And the fear was no one knew who she was or who he was or where they were or if she was alive. I`m happy to report tonight that she actually is okay.

She was found safe and in good health. But no one knows where he is at this time. They are on the lookout. Christine Grillo, very quickly, that video

just tells the entire story if they catch him.

GRILLO: It does. It tells the whole story about domestic violence. Having been a domestic violence prosecutor for years, it`s right there. She is

coming in there and.

BANFIELD: Terror.

GRILLO: It`s horrible. He`s pulling her out. They do this in public. If a defendant does this in public, you have no idea the abuse that she stands

when it is in private.

BANFIELD: They have children together. Look at her. She can`t even hold the phone. She puts it down so quickly. She is so terrified just at the sight

of him.

I want to take you also to Brooklyn. Because we saw something that we just couldn`t believe was real. It`s an accident. It`s very graphic video, but

the reason I want to show it to you is because the woman who you`re about to see who gets hit by a school bus survived. And it is miraculous that she

survived.

When you see it, you`re going to understand that it is miraculous that she survived. This was caught on the New York scanner on Twitter camera. As

this woman who is walking through a crosswalk has a right-of-way, suddenly.

GRILLO: Oh, my God.

BANFIELD: Oh, my God is about the only way you can react to this. As you see this again. We`ll keep the banner down so that you can see. It takes

about 22-23 seconds before -- oh, it`s just so unbelievable. Before anybody actually comes to her aide, I think before the school bus driver knows

what`s going on.

Joey and Bob, she`s okay. She`s not okay. She`s in the hospital, but not life threatening. She is not in a life-threatening injury. But is there a

violation you can see here?

JOHNSON: I mean, there could be. You know, we have to keep in mind obviously that accidents happen every day. It`s horrific. People die.

People get injured. The question is whether there`s any criminality here. Sometimes if there`s such gross negligence there could be criminality. That

needs to be investigated. Why did he not see her such that this could be prevented.

BANFIELD: She looked like she had the right-of-way.

SCHALK: Correct. He wasn`t speeding obviously. He`s making a right and she`s crossing the crosswalk. The question is going to be whether or not

he`s distracted in any way. If he`s texting. If they subpoena those records and find that he was, you`re talking about a vehicular assault charge in

New York which is a felony.

BANFIELD: Well, you know, it seems to me that there should be quite an investigation. The only thing the police will say right now is there`s an

investigation. But so far, he`s not charged. We wish her a speedy recovery because that is truly incredible.

Do I have time from one more? We`re going to break. I just need to know from our -- I`m going to go to break. But listen, before I go to break, I

want you to know something. If you vape, do not go away during this break. Trust me. You need to know about vaping and how dangerous it can be.

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BANFIELD: It`s all the rage and it`s supposed to be safer than smoking and everybody thinks vaping is cool. And it`s not cool, it`s hot. It is

actually explosive. In fact, it`s really dangerous. And I want to tell you the story of one Andrew Hall in Idaho. The pictures really tell his story.

He lost seven teeth. Second-degree burns to his face and neck.

He is still pulling pieces of plastic and teeth and foreign objects out of his mouth and his throat. And look at his bathroom after his vape exploded

while he was just in a bathroom getting ready for work. Look at the vanity. Look at the sink, busted up. This is one horrible explosion. His vape

cigarette device exploded in his face. He said he did everything right. He said the battery was put in properly. The shop maintained it.

And again, aren`t we supposed to believe that vaping is safer than smoking? Christine, Joey, and Bob are here. All I could think of when I looked at

his pictures. He wants us to see this. He wants everyone to know this is dangerous. Not first time it`s happened. How can you ban Samsung phones and

hover boards from airplanes, but you can put this right up next to your face?

GRILLO: I guess -- like what we were talking before, I guess it is because he was actually using it. With the hover boards and phones, it`s the

charging of the battery that was igniting it.

BANFIELD: I don`t care. If this can explode.

JOHNSON: This will be next.

GRILLO: This will be next.

JOHNSON: This will be next, no question. I see a major civil suit in his future. Defective product. Unreasonably dangerous. Unless he misused it

somewhat.

SCHALK: He`s going to own his own company before this is over.

BANFIELD: Is that really what it takes? I mean, there got to be some kind of really owner`s action (ph) before or the government comes in and has

hearings and says oops.

JOHNSON: Yes.

GRILLO: They`re going to be able to tell. Anyone can see whose investigating it properly. The way that that smoke.

BANFIELD: Did you see how high the explosion went?

GRILLO: Yes. They would be able to tell how the explosion.

BANFIELD: It blacked out his ceiling.

GRILLO: It blacked out his ceiling.

JOHNSON: The government is watching this and like I said, that`s next.

BANFIELD: Right. I can`t imagine.

JOHNSON: No more. No more vapes.

BANFIELD: . that kind of damage can be done. But by the way, hover boards are at your feet. Samsungs are at your butt. This is right at your face.

JOHNSON: Yes.

BANFIELD: All right. Thank you, guys. It`s great to have you here.

JOHNSON: Thank you.

BANFIELD: Thank you, everyone, for being here. It`s been nice to have you with us. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. Back here tomorrow at 8:00 for PRIMETIME

JUSTICE. Hope you`re here. In the meantime, do not miss the next "FORENSIC FILES." It`s awesome.

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