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Parts of Trump's Immigration Order Blocked by Judges; Travel Ban Protests Planned in 9 Cities Today; Interview with Congressman Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania; Interview with Congressman Seth Moulton of Massachusetts and Jack Kingston. Aired 7-8a ET
Aired January 29, 2017 - 07:00 ET
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[07:00:26] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's ill-advised, it's mean-spirited, it's tearing families apart.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: President Trump deserves the profile of courage award for standing up and doing this.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't think that I will stay in the U.S. anymore because of this kind of treatment.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm here to work with him for the betterment of the city of Dallas. I just don't think this policy is -- does that.
REP. JOHN LEWIS (D), GEORGIA: That's not right. That's not fair. We can treat human beings better.
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It's not a Muslim ban but we are totally prepared to work it out nicely and we will have a strict ban and we're going to have extreme vetting, which we should have had in this country for many years.
ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.
VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning. I'm Victor Blackwell.
CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Christi Paul.
BLACKWELL: We're beginning with breaking news. A flurry of legal action and just the last few hours, a federal judge putting a temporary stop to some of the most important parts of President Donald Trump's executive order banning citizens from seven Muslim majority countries from entering the U.S.
PAUL: This after a federal judge in New York grants an emergency stay halting deportations of people with valid visas who were caught in the confusion of the president's immigration order.
BLACKWELL: We will get into those details in a moment.
But, first, the president's ban sparking fierce and divided reaction, including protests and demonstrations at airports across the country.
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PAUL: That was the scene -- look at that, and that was just a few hours ago at Sea-Tac Airport in Seattle. Hundreds of people were there chanting "let them in." One of just several protests that we're watching, take a look at what was going on late yesterday and overnight for some of us.
Today, even more are planned at airports in major cities across the U.S., as you see there, Washington, D.C., New York, Chicago, Atlanta, Orlando.
BLACKWELL: Our team of reporters and legal experts are covering this breaking news from every angle.
We're going to start with CNN's Ryan Nobles. He's in Washington.
Ryan, walk us through these rulings from districts across the country.
RYAN NOBLES, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Victor, federal judges in New York, Washington state, Virginia, and Massachusetts have all weighed in on the executive order issue by the Trump administration, and they all agree that travelers and refugees from those seven Muslim majority countries impacted by the ban cannot be deported, and in the most sweeping ruling, a judge in Boston said travelers to Logan Airport can also not be detained.
Now, the Department of Homeland Security is reacting to those rulings, promising the agency will comply with the courts, but also enforce the president's policy. In a statement, the agency said that it will, quote, "comply with the judicial orders, faithfully enforce our immigration laws and implement the president's executive orders to insure that those entering the United States do not pose a threat to our country or the American people."
Now, this executive order has already had a major impact here in the U.S., of course, around the world. It bars for 90 days people from Iraq, Iran, Libya, Sudan, Syria, Somalia and Yemen from entering the U.S. It also stops all refugees from entering the U.S. for 120 and indefinitely puts a stop on Syrian refugees coming into the United States.
And despite these court challenges, the protests and the political fallout, the White House is not backing down, arguing that the order has been implemented smoothly and is necessary to keep the country safe. In fact, the president himself pushed back on the criticism that the policy specifically targets the Muslim community.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TRUMP: It's not a Muslim ban, but we are totally prepared to work it out very nicely. You see it at the airports and all over, and it's working out very nicely, and we're going to have a very, very strict ban and we're going to have extreme vetting, which we should have had in this country for many years.
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NOBLES: And don't forget that this is an issue that Trump specifically campaigned upon, his administration said this is just an example of him keeping his promise -- Victor.
BLACKWELL: All right. Ryan Nobles for us in Washington, thank you.
PAUL: Well, as he just said, judges in district courts across the country now temporarily blocking parts of this executive order, even more lawsuits attacking the ban expected to be filed. Now, we are still waiting for an official response about these rulings from the Trump administration, but want to talk more about this immigration with this, about this with immigration attorney, Matthew Green, and CNN legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, Laura Coates.
So, Matthew -- good to have you with us. Matthew, what is your reaction to what we're seeing in these district courts and how it may affect the executive order overall?
[07:05:09] MATTHEW GREEN, IMMIGRATION ATTORNEY: Good morning. Well, obviously, things are happening very quickly overnight, it's pretty early where I am, just 5:00 a.m. I have not actually been able to look at the orders, but I have been -- I read the district of New York order last night before I turned in, and I understand that overnight, there have been a few other orders.
I think it's consistent with the manner in which most executive orders, most federal laws and the constitutionality of them are challenged. I think that it's a healthy thing. I think that it is indicative of a well-functioning judiciary. It looks like a variety of temporarily restraining orders have been quickly considered by federal judges, and this is the way that the law is supposed to work.
PAUL: OK. Laura, let me ask you, and I want to read something from this Boston order. It says, "Customs and Border Protections shall notify airlines that have flights arriving at Logan Airport of this order, and the fact that individuals on those flights will not be detained or returned based solely on the basis of the executive order."
So, help us understand. If we've got somebody sitting in Iran right now, and they have a visa, they were in the U.S., and say they went to Iran to visit family and they're supposed to come back. If they are coming back to Logan Airport or Dulles Airport, which was specified in the Virginia order, would they -- would you advise them to get on the plane? Do you believe they are safe, essentially, from this, for the next seven days?
LAURA COATES, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Well, according to the order that the judge issued, they would, in fact, be saved. Unlike what happened in New York, of course, because in New York, there was no guarantee they can't actually be detained or can actually ever leave the airport. So, in the instance of Logan and Dulles, there would be much more protections for those people to come.
Now, of course, you have to have advice from the attorney of your native country if you do believe there are some issues there, but according to the order, protections will remain in place, people who are already supposed to come or had valid rights of entry here anyway.
PAUL: Al right. So, Matthew, let me ask you this. We know that the president can enforce laws, he cannot create them. Based on what we have seen and how expeditiously this order -- it seems to have been executed, how much staying power do you think the president's order has?
GREEN: Well, I don't think it has a whole lot as it's being implemented. I mean, again, things have happened very quickly. I think that the most concerning aspect of the implementation of the order has been its apparent -- well, apparently, the White House directive to include lawful permanent residents as well. I understand just based on some things I read here in the last 12 hours, that this was actually a divergence from the policy and the guidance that the Department of Homeland Security was given to Customs and Border Protection, and with good reason, lawful permanent residents have been traditionally and historically been afforded a much higher level of due process.
And I think that the fact that the White House decided to diverge from the well-grounded guidance of its own Department of Homeland Security and apply say to lawful permanent residents, it's really indicative of a lack of essential understanding of the law, of immigration, its roots, and how it really is supposed to be applied, green card holders really are a separate class of immigrants, and we're supposed to treat them differently. So, that's concerning to me. I think it's just an example of why at best, there's a lot of kinks that need to be worked out.
PAUL: Laura, last word?
COATES: Well, you know, this is going to come down to whether or not the president is going to honor the 1965 laws that we already have in place that says we can't discriminate based on national origin. And so, this is going to be a battle in the courts, but I'm glad to know that the injunctive relief has been issued as a temporary way to alleviate concerns, and allow people to have due process protection. If ultimately, the courts find that there is, in fact, not an unconstitutionality of it, which I would find surprising, you know, we can go from there. But, right now, the courts have done the right thing by preserving the right for people who expect to be processed in the United States of America.
PAUL: All right. Matthew Green, Laura Coates, appreciate both of you being here today. Thank you both.
COATES: Thank you. GREEN: Thank you.
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BLACKWELL: Hear the anger from the protesters there at these airports around the U.S., slamming the president's temporarily executive order, banning refugees and immigrants from seven Muslim-majority countries. A federal judge in New York has blocked the deportation of people stranded in U.S. airports under the order.
[07:10:00] As we said, there have been other orders across the country. Now, in just a few hours, people are planning to protest in several cities across the country, including again in New York.
And CNN's Rachel Crane is live from JFK airport, the site of one of those protests.
Rachel, you've been talking to people all night about this ban. What are you hearing?
RACHEL CRANE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Victor, that's right. Well, we know that 19 people at one point were detained here -- at least 19 people were detained here at JFK. We just spoke to some lawyers here in terminal four who are working pro bono. They say that they know of at least six or seven people that are still being detained here just at terminal four.
One of those people, an elderly woman in a wheelchair. Her daughter has not been able to speak to her. Of course, she's very worried about her mother's health and safety.
But we also -- lawyers also pointed out that there was a woman that was about to be deported. She was actually on the plane. They were able to get her off the plane after the stay was announced.
Now, we had a chance to speak to some of the family members of the people, the detainees. We spoke to one gentleman, a PhD student at Ohio State University, an Iranian man studying biochemistry. His wife also Iranian, she was being detained.
Take a listen to what he had to say.
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MOHAMED ZANDIAN, HUSBAND OF DETAINED TRAVELER: She called me through the phone that -- it was not hers, and told me that she will be deported, and why she was crying. I don't think that I will stay in the U.S. anymore because of this kind of treatment. I don't have any clear vision about the future, about that treatment to the Iranian and other nationalities. So, I don't feel safe anymore to stay here in the U.S.
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CRANE: Now, we just spoke with Mohamed who said his wife is still being detained. She's been detained, coming on 24 hours at this point. Now, as you pointed out, protest happening across the country today. Yesterday here at JFK, a very large protest here. We were here. It was incredibly passionate and spirited. We know that protests are being planned in cities like Los Angeles at LAX, Chicago, Atlanta, also here in New York City, protesters planning to meet at Battery Park City, where, of course, Lady Liberty is visible. They plan to march to One World Trade Center.
Victor and Christi, back to you.
BLACKWELL: All right. Rachel Crane reporting late into the evening yesterday for us, back up early this morning -- we appreciate it.
PAUL: President Trump's travel ban is drawing some scorn from Democrats, and at least one Republican on Capitol Hill.
Stay with us. We're talking to the GOP congressman who is ripping this executive order. He calls it ridiculous and rushed.
[07:16:00] PAUL: If you're just joining us, we want to get you apprised of the breaking news we're following this morning. Federal judges putting a temporary stop to portions of President Donald Trump's executive order, banning citizens from seven Muslim majority countries from entering the U.S.
BLACKWELL: Yes. But not all Republicans in Washington support the execution of the president's order. Congressman Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania is on the phone with us.
Congressman, good morning to you.
REP. CHARLIE DENT (R), PENNSYLVANIA (via telephone): Hey, good morning. Thanks for having me on the program.
BLACKWELL: Certainly. Thanks for getting up so early to speak with us.
Let's separate as we talk about this executive order, the merits of this order and the execution of this order. The president says that this is working very nicely, and as we discuss the execution, what do you say about that classification, that characterization rather?
DENT: Well, I guess I say it's not working very well for the Assali (ph) family of Allentown, Pennsylvania. Yesterday morning, I received a contact from my son at the college, one of his high school buddies has said six of his family members were detained at the Philadelphia airport, and they all had -- when I looked into this, I discovered the family, the Assali family had all -- they were coming in on an immigrant visa and, in fact, they had a green card application being processed, and they paid thousands of dollars and we've been working on it since 2003.
These people are not refugees. They are immigrants and, frankly, they are Christians, by the way.
And I represent the largest Syrian population of any member in Congress in the country, and this I represent here in Allentown, of Lehigh Valley, is largely Christian Syrians, and they were denied entrance. They arrived at 7:45 a.m., and before 10:30 or 10:40, I believe, they were already on a flight back to Qatar. So, within three hours, they were turned around.
And, again, these were not refugees. These people have been through the process and I was with the family last night. They live just a short distance from home. And obviously, they're very opposite. They were planning a celebration. They had a home for their relatives, so it was fully furnished and they were planning a celebration last night.
BLACKWELL: Congressman, let me --
DENT: So it seems to me this order is just overly broad. It wasn't well-thought out. I can't imagine the Department of Defense, State, Justice and Homeland Security were properly consulted on this prior to implementation. And so, I felt the execution of this order of this order -- the enforcement of the order should have been halted until we can take a closer look at it.
BLACKWELL: Let me read for you, Congressman, from "The Washington Post", what you said here, "This is ridiculous. I guess I understand what his intention is, but unfortunately, the order appears to have been rushed through without full consideration. You know there are many, many nuances of immigration policy that can be life or death for many innocent, vulnerable people around the world."
So, with that in context, your reaction to what you are seeing from these federal judges and districts across the country putting into affect what you essentially called for, a halt to this executive order?
DENT: I'm glad they did halt it. By the way, I have to tell you, you know, in my district, just a couple weeks ago in my office, a woman was meeting with one of my staff, and I said hello to her and asked what was up, and she said her husband was in Syria in a Christian village, they've been attacked and bombed as she was trying to get him out, and sadly I am used to dealing with these people from Syria for a long time.
And again, it seems that this order -- I oppose Muslim bans and I oppose Muslim registries, but this ban is not simply -- it's not a Muslim ban. I think it's more accurately described as a country ban, and many of these countries in the Middle East, Syria, Lebanon, others are diverse. There are all sorts of people there, many of whom who are not even Muslims.
And I think that's what has happened here with the Assali family in Allentown. I think they are completely dumbfounded. [07:20:02] I mean, these people hate Al Nusra Front and ISIS more
than any of us do. They've dealt with the consequences.
DENT: And I think they're kind of flabbergasted why they would be, you know, denied admission after spending thousands of dollars legally and again, coming in as immigrants, not refuges, and already have their green card process. I think that's what I'm trying to understand here.
Now, I get what is happening in Europe where the migrants and refugees are running in unvetted and wreaking havoc on Europe, but that's not what we're talking about here in the United States. We have a more thorough vetting process, and we should make it better. And I also agree with the president, we should make it better and we should make it stronger, but we also have to do this in a more thoughtful manner.
BLACKWELL: Congressman, the last we heard from Speaker Paul Ryan was on Friday, and his support for this executive order from my research -- we have not heard from him since the protests at airports across the country, and do we have that statement? Let's put it up. We have the statement from Paul Ryan.
"We are a compassionate nation, and I support the refugee resettlement program, but it's time to re-evaluate and strengthen the visa vetting process," and he says that he supports President Trump's executive orders saying he's "right to make sure we are doing everything possible to know exactly who is entering our country."
After our viewers hearing what you said about this order, the execution and the merit of, what would you say to Speaker Ryan and to the president about how this should move forward?
DENT: Well, I certainly agree that we can always improve our visa vetting, our refugee vetting program, I don't have any question about that. But I do think it is wrong when like in the case that I was dealing with, with the Assali family coming to Philadelphia, they're apparently already in flight when this order was issued, and having no idea at the time of arrival that they would be turned around.
In fact, we didn't have time -- the family did not have time to consult the lawyers and determine what the best course of action should have been, and if they just claimed asylum at the time but were told they could lose their visas, so they went back.
BLACKWELL: Very quickly, Congressman --
DENT: I guess what I would say is that --
BLACKWELL: Go ahead.
DENT: -- Congress needs to look at this, and play a closer role. I would like to hear from some of the executive branches, departments, they'd be (ph) Homeland Security or State Department, Justice about their thoughts on this and its implementation, because, clearly, I don't -- I can't imagine anybody intended for this to happen.
Again, I think I understand the intent, to strengthen visa and refugee vetting, and I think that's -- in many ways, that makes a lot of sense. But it has to be done in a thoughtful and rational manner, and this proposal doesn't seem to have been fully developed, that's fully vetted within the administration.
BLACKWELL: Let me be clear about something I've heard you say and I just want to make sure that I'm receiving it properly. You said Congress needs to have a better role in this. Are you suggesting that this should not be executed via executive order and this should be completed legislatively, that this should come to Congress and be taken out of the hands of the president?
DENT: Well, I believe Congress should certainly exercise proper oversight of this. Again, this all -- for me, this all broke after 5:00 on Friday and into Saturday, and I would like to take some time to, you know, better look at this law and I -- this order, and I believe Congress will have to exercise oversight, and provide guidance as to just what our immigration laws and rules should be here.
I guess I would argue that Congress absolutely does play a role here and that's our job.
BLACKWELL: What -- will there be action? Are you pushing for action, potentially hearings over the next week now that there's a stay from the federal districts?
DENT: That will be up to the, obviously, the committees of jurisdiction, and I serve in the appropriations committee and not on the judiciary committee or foreign affairs --
BLACKWELL: Would you support them?
DENT: I think there should be congressional oversight for the appropriate committees, and should look into the order and to this issue more broadly and determine what role, you know, Congress should play going forward.
BLACKWELL: Final question here. I'm reading an e-mail that was sent to your office on behalf of six Christian immigrants who were attempting to come into the U.S. and held at the Philadelphia airport for unknown reasons. We heard from the president late last week that there would be some priority placed on religious persecution for those coming to the U.S. from countries where they are in the minority, in the seven countries we are discussing and the region of the world, the minority here would be Christian.
Should there be some priority placed based on religion as the president suggests?
DENT: Well, you know, that's what is bewildering on the case in Allentown, these were Christian immigrants, and I think that's why they're so confounded by this thing.
[07:25:05] They thought -- you know, based when I read the order it appears there should be exceptions for minorities including Christians.
Now, I'll tell you, I believe under the current law with respect to Iran, and I know the law provided already in some cases protections for persecuted minorities, and I think in the law, the Baha'i, Christians and others, who are often given preference. And I think you can do that from time to time, sure.
But as I said, I don't support a ban on any religion, whether it'd be Muslims or anyone else, I don't support that. But I do understand why you would protect persecuted minorities. Now, in the case of the Christians in Syria, many of them are more supportive -- or at least more are aligned with the regime, obviously, and so, they might not be as persecuted by the government, but they are certainly under threat from the radicals, Al Nusra Front and ISIS and others, you know, who have committed atrocities against Christians.
BLACKWELL: All right. Congressman Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania, thanks so much for speaking with us this morning.
DENT: Thank you for having me. Take care.
PAUL: Not just legislators out here in the U.S. but world leaders are reacting to Donald Trump's executive orders, and many of them condemning it. And this as airports around the world are struggling to figure how to enforce it.
ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.
PAUL: So good to have your company. I'm Christi Paul.
BLACKWELL: I'm Victor Blackwell.
Breaking overnight, federal judges are putting a temporary stop to some important parts of President Donald Trump's executive order banning citizens of seven Muslim majority countries from entering the U.S.
[07:30:03] PAUL: Yes, this follows another federal court ruling last night out of New York. A judge there granting an emergency stay, which stops homeland security officials from deporting people holding valid visas, who landed in the U.S., as Trump's immigration order took action.
BLACKWELL: And that action sparking some chaos, a lot of confusion, and these protests at airports across the country. Today, demonstrations are planned at least nine airports and in cities across the country.
PAUL: Meanwhile, world leaders in Indonesia, the U.K., Turkey all condemning President Trump's executive order banning refugees and immigrants.
Let's talk about it with CNN senior international correspondent Ben Wedeman who's live for us from Ataturk Airport in Istanbul. Kimberly Dozier as well, CNN global affairs analyst and senior national security correspondent at the "Daily Beast."
But, Ben, I want to start with you. What are you hearing from people there? Are they getting on planes and trying to make it to the U.S.?
BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, we understand from Turkish security officials here that tens of people have been stopped from boarding flights to the United States since yesterday. Most of them were in transit from other locations. Now, we know for instance, a Syrian man was supposed to get on a Turkish flight to Los Angeles. He was not allowed to get onboard.
However, I spoke to an Iranian who lives in Queens. He has a green card. He was here to see his mother who he hadn't seen in five years. Turkish officials said he's good to go, but this man, of course, was worried that what he doesn't know what sort of reception he's going to get when he arrives at JFK.
We understand now in Cairo, for instance, an Egypt Air flight to New York was delayed because several passengers were not allowed onboard that flight. As far as the official position of Turkey at the moment, we did receive this tweet from the deputy prime minister, and he said refugees are welcome in Turkey, the world's largest refugee hosting country. There are about 2.8 million registered Syrian refugees here. He said we'd happily welcome global talents not allowed back in the United States -- Christi.
PAUL: All right, Ben Wedeman, live for us there from Turkey, Ben, thank you so much. We appreciate it.
I want to go to Kimberly Dozier now.
Kimberly, we've been seeing -- he was talking, though, about how Turkey was not boarding everybody. We've heard late this morning that Egypt also had banned some people from boarding a flight from Cairo to New York. Earlier this morning, pilot explaining it was due to international safety instructions, and that's as to why they were turned away.
But what do you make, Kimberly, of the confusion, of even airports worldwide in terms of what -- how they handle, how they decipher what this executive order means for them and what they need to do?
KIMBERLY DOZIER, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: I'm hearing from U.S. officials and foreign officials in Middle Eastern countries who were all caught unaware by this and are trying to figure out how it's going to work and what the long-term impact is going to be, even though this is supposed to be just a temporary ban.
At the same time some of them who are allies in the fight against ISIS, coalition members, have told me that they understand why this was done by surprise. That if you had given anybody warning, even had vetted this executive order widely across the U.S. government, it probably would have leaked and then you would have seen a rush of people to get into the United States before the rules changed and the borders closed. So, there's an understanding of that, and at the same time I have
spoke to senior Mideast officials who say, you know, they could have at least clued us in that something like this was coming, and they are feeling a bit betrayed.
PAUL: Well, the execution of this is something that a lot of people are questioning, including, as you just heard, Congressman Charlie Dent from Pennsylvania, and he spoke to Victor, and in that conversation he said Congress should be able to exercise some oversight here.
Do you see that happening moving forward?
DOZIER: Well, I know that some key Republicans were briefed on what was going to be in this executive order, and remember, there was a leak of a draft earlier that week. So, it had been widely circulated around Washington, D.C., but there were key last-minute changes like the extension of the delay from 30 days to 90 days that caught people by surprise.
I think what you are going to see across Capitol Hill is perhaps a wrapping of the knuckles of the administration and they are going to complain how this was carried out. But, again, the administration will surely push back by saying if we told anybody it was coming, it would have leaked and then that would have defeated the purpose, and allowed ISIS or another terrorists group an opportunity to get someone in here before the rules changed.
[07:35:09] PAUL: Kimberly, real quickly, any indication of how persuadable Donald Trump is on this executive order?
DOZIER: I don't think you're going to see any changes to it at all.
PAUL: OK. Kimberly Dozier, appreciate your insight as always. Thank you.
DOZIER: Thank you.
BLACKWELL: We're going to have that conversation up next with a former Republican member of Congress, and a member of Congress, a Democrat who says that he is ashamed of the president's decision. We'll be right back.
BLACKWELL: All right. More on the breaking news: federal judges putting a temporary stop to some of the more important parts of Trump's executive order, banning nationals from seven Muslim majority countries from entering the U.S.
Let's talk about the political impact with Congressman Seth Moulton, representative from Massachusetts, and former Congressman John Kingston, also former adviser to the Trump campaign.
Congressmen, good morning to you.
REP. SETH MOULTON (D), MASSACHUSETTS: Good morning.
JACK KINGSTON (R-GA), FORMER U.S. CONGRESSMAN: Good morning.
BLACKWELL: Congressman Kingston, I am going to start with you and I want you to listen to what the president said last night at the White House.
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TRUMP: It's not a Muslim ban but we are totally prepared to work it out very nicely. You see it at the airports. You see it all over.
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BLACKWELL: Do you agree with that characterization this is working out very nicely?
KINGSTON: Well, I'm not exactly sure what he was referring to, but there has been a few bumps along the way. But that's why built into the order was great discretion for waivers that the secretaries could apply, and I may underscore real quickly, that's why you need to get these nominees confirmed and so that you can have people in place.
Now, the director of Homeland Security is in place, of course, but I'm talking about others because I think everybody needs to be at the table on this, so that they can sort through who gets the waivers and who doesn't, and how quickly can you implement that?
[07:40:09] BLACKWELL: But the president knew those appointees weren't in place when he signed the order. So, is it his fault for not having the people in place? I know that you're going to come back with the Democrats dragging their feet in the Senate, but he signed the order. He knew that they weren't there when he executed this?
KINGSTON: Victor, I might point out that President Obama had 12 of his appointees done by his first week in office, and 13 of his total appointees passed by voice vote. And yet, we are hearing now from Chuck Schumer that Jeff Sessions himself will be delayed another week. So, I think the president has a mandate and the campaign promise to get to work immediately to secure the borders and this is part of his national security picture.
BLACKWELL: Congressman Moulton, you released in a statement that you were, in part, ashamed of the actions of President Trump?
MOULTON: Well, that's absolutely right. And if this is part of his national security picture, then Trump doesn't know much about national security, because this absolutely makes America less safe. It will incite attacks against us. ISIS is already using this ban in its propaganda. It will prevent allies overseas from working with us.
I can't tell you how much as a marine fighting on the ground in the war against terror in Iraq how important it was to be able to work with Iraqi allies, we counted on them for intelligence, as translators, our lives were often in their hands. And those people are going to refuse to work with us, with the troops overseas now, and with the additional that Trump is now sending he wants to send -- saying he wants to send into these countries. So, this ban is absolutely hurting our national security, not the other way around.
BLACKWELL: Absolutely hurting our national security. Congressman Kingston?
KINGSTON: Well, we did hear a lot from Obama over the years where we have to be nice and they won't attack us, and yet, that did not stop ingrown terrorism in -- at Fort Hood, or in Orlando --
BLACKWELL: We should also point out that this executive order would not apply to the people who are responsible for the attacks you just talked about.
KINGSTON: Right, but let me say this, that Seth is absolutely right, the turning points in our battles, in the war in Iraq and Afghanistan was soldiers like Seth working side by side with the Iraqi and Afghani nationals, and many, many Muslim soldiers. And that's why the president's other executive order yesterday, let's have a 30-day review of what do we do about our national security, how do we best fight terrorism.
I think that comes into place, because views like Seth and views like Charlie Dent and other members of the Congress are very, very important to say, OK, we have to sort through this, and what is going to be best, and how do we get this thing turned around. I think parts of this are going to stay and I think parts of this are going to be modified.
BLACKWELL: Now, let's take that, let's pull that thread a bit. If you said that there should be a 30-day review for that element of the national security, why not a 30-day review for what was implemented on Friday?
KINGSTON: Well, I think that will be included in it, because what he's mandated his national security team to have a plan to fight terrorism, and this may or may not be part of it. I suspect it will be part of it because they're going to have a comprehensive report on what to do.
BLACKWELL: Congressman Moulton, what do you say to those that agree with Congressman Kingston that we have elected this man because he told us he was going to implement a ban on countries, that I should point out, these seven countries were identified as countries of concern during the Obama administration by the Department of Homeland Security and he is doing what we asked him to do?
MOULTON: Look, not a single terrorists who has had an attack in America has come from one of these seven countries. In fact, there are countries overseas where we have had terrorists, like the 9/11 attackers who came from Saudi Arabia, and yet apparently, because Trump has business interests in those countries, they're not included. So, it seems pretty clear that he's putting his family's wealth ahead of the national security of the United States.
BLACKWELL: Let me push back on that. Congressman Moulton, the list is not something that was created by the Trump administration. This was a list that was created during the Obama administration under the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015. So, when you make the argument that he's isolating Saudi Arabia, isolating the other countries from where the 9/11 hijackers came from, he didn't choose these countries. The Obama DHS did.
MOULTON: You are trying to say that Trump is here in place to improve our national security. So, are you saying that Trump believes our national security should rely on whatever President Obama says? I mean, I don't think you would find any Trump supporter who would say that --
BLACKWELL: No, what I was attempting to do was challenge your claim that he isolated Saudi Arabia because of business interest. Saudi Arabia was not chosen by the Obama administration. This applies only to those countries of concern that were chosen in February of 2016.
MOULTON: President Obama did not have this ban. President Obama did not prevent women and children and allies of our troops overseas from coming to the United States.
[07:45:03] And so, if Trump wants to have a ban like that, why doesn't he actually focus on the countries that have been sources of terrorism?
I don't think he should do that at all, but if he really cares about our national security, don't you think he would focus on the places that have actually provided attackers who have perpetrated attacks here on the United States.
But let me say this, too, that Jack has a fair point. Jack is absolutely right that a new president has a right to do a national security review, and the new president should come in and say, are we doing enough in the fight against ISIS?
But what is terribly gone, what is against our American values and actually hurts our national security is to have a ban like this, that will prevent women and children who are the victims of terrorist overseas from finding refuge in the United States and preventing our allies in the fight against terror from just being able to stay alive by coming to America when they are attacked. I mean, I have translators I worked with in Iraq who have been threatened because they put their lives on the line not just for Iraq but for America.
And we ought to welcome them or else people like that are never going to work with us again.
BLACKWELL: Congressman Kingston, very quickly, why aren't the question -- the countries that we listed, the 9/11 hijackers came from, some of the attackers, why aren't they included in this?
KINGSTON: I think part of the 30-day review will be to say, maybe we need to expand this, maybe we need to shelf it completely. I do want to point out, though, that one of the Paris attackers, Ahmed Al Mohammed (ph), did have a fake Syrian passport and blew himself up and many innocent people in the Paris stadium. The point being is that you don't really know what kind of
documentation you get when people come over from these seven countries, and that's why it's important to review it.
BLACKWELL: All right. Congressman Jack Kingston, Congressman Seth Moulton -- thank you both.
MOULTON: Thank you.
KINGSTON: Thank you.
BLACKWELL: All right. Christi?
PAUL: Well, an Iranian Oscar nominee may not be able to travel to next month's Oscar ceremony. We're going to talk about how these executive orders obviously impacting the world and Hollywood not immune.
[07:50:35] BLACKWELL: Hollywood is slamming President Trump's travel ban after word that an Oscar nominated Iranian director may be kept from the award ceremony.
PAUL: Yes. He's for the foreign language film award.
CNN senior media correspondent, host of "RELIABLE SOURCES", Brian Stelter, has been looking at this.
BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: Hi. Good morning.
Yes, Asghar Farhadi had won the Oscar several years ago for one of his foreign language films. Now, this year, his new film, "The Salesman" is up for that prize again. He was going to be attending the Oscars, about a month from today. And now, that travel is a big question mark.
The National Iranian American Council was first to share the news on Saturday. We can put their tweet on the screen. The group's director spoke to me about this and says, right now, it's pretty clear he will not be able to confirm. Confirmed, Iran's Asghar Farhadi won't be let into the U.S. to attend the Oscars. He's nominated for best foreign language film.
And so, I spoke to this man who's been trying to spread the word about this. He says this is troubling because, obviously, Hollywood's biggest night is about celebrating art and creativity from around the world. This is one small example, Christi, of how this travel restriction could be affecting people. In this case, you know, a Hollywood -- well, an Iranian filmmaker hoping to attend Hollywood's award show.
PAUL: You know, last weekend at this time, we were sitting here together watching the women's protest, the women's march. This weekend, we're seeing all of these protests and I know more are coming today in airports. How much weight, Brian -- I mean, is there good evidence or a good gauge of how much weight protests like this hold?
STELTER: Well, I think what's so striking about this is that a week ago, we were talking about the women's march and whether it was just a moment, whether it was just a one-off. The question on the bottom of the screen was, is it a moment or a movement? And now I think one week later we're seeing there is the potential for a real sustained anti-Trump movement in this country.
These protests that sprang up on Saturday are a real vivid demonstration of that. These happened within hours at JFK and LAX, and Chicago, and Denver, you've all been showing the pictures. Now, today, Sunday, it looks like we got at least a dozen cities where there's going to be quickly organized protests.
Now, yes, left-wing groups are helping to fund this, but you're seeing something that's pretty spontaneously, happening very quickly. In some cases, Democratic senators and congressmen can't get there in time. So, I think it's notable, given the context of last week, all the questions about whether the women's march was a one-off, to see more protests on the second week of the Trump presidency.
PAUL: Yes, we got a tweet from somebody saying, there's going to be a protest in Kansas today at 2:00.
Brian Stelter -- thank you so much, Brian. We appreciate it.
And, hey, you can catch more of Brian Stelter, "RELIABLE SOURCES" is his show, at 11:00 a.m. Eastern today, right here on CNN.
BLACKWELL: Well, Canada's prime minister has a message for refugees being refused entry to the U.S. -- welcome to Canada.
[07:56:02] BLACKWELL: Well, Canada has a short message for refugees from the seven Muslim majority countries temporarily banned from entering the U.S.: come to Canada. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau tweeted this, "To those fleeing persecution, terror and war, Canadians will welcome you regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength, #welcometocanada."
PAUL: Trudeau is expected to visit the White House soon, in fact, and he does plan, we're told, to discuss Canada's immigration policies with President Trump when they meet.
Listen, we hope that you make some great memories today. Thank you for spending your time with us.
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