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Londoners Pay Tribute to Westminster Victims; ISIS Claims Responsibility for London Terror Attack; Police Identify Attacker as Briton Khalid Masood; Advertisers Pull YouTube Ads Over Offensive Videos; Trump White House Says Negotiations Over, It's Time to Vote; Ukraine Further Encloses The Murder Of A Kremlin Critic, Israeli Teenager Is Under Arrest In Connection With The Series Of Bomb Threats; Reforming Health Care. Aired 12-1a ET

Aired March 24, 2017 - 00:00   ET

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ISHA SESAY, CNNI: Welcome to a special edition of NEWSROOM L.A. I'm Isha Sesay.

JOHN VAUSE, CNNI: And I'm John Vause. We are learning more about the man who left a trail of death and carnage in the heart of London, killing four people, wounding dozens more near parliament.

Khalid Masood is a 52-year-old British man with a record of violence and links to extremism. An ISIS news agency claims the terror group was behind Wednesday's attack. Masood was shot and killed by police.

ISHA SESAY, CNN ANCHOR: Well, police raided a number of locations in London and Birmingham, England. These eight people are under arrest. Still police say they think Masood acted alone.

VAUSE: Meanwhile, Londoners are returning to their daily lives. Westminster Bridge where the attack happened reopened on Thursday.

SESAY: Well, Prime Minister Theresa May says that Britain will not be intimidated by the attack and Queen Elizabeth offered her thoughts, prayers and deepest sympathy.

VAUSE: And London mayor, Sadiq Khan, led an emotional vigil in Trafalgar Square.

CNN's Erin McLaughlin was there.

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ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In the heart of the capital thousands gathered at a symbol of the city's freedom and democracy for a moment of silence. And to light candles in remembrance.

MAYOR SADIQ KHAN, LONDON: Londoners will never be cowed by terrorism.

MCLAUGHLIN (on camera): It's powerful to see Londoners, people from all over the world, gathered in one place to express messages of sympathy and solidarity.

(Voice-over): People of all ages and faiths offered comfort and hope.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We said it's really important for us to be here and we particularly wanted to bring our kids so that over time we can talk to them and share with them the importance of love and tolerance and acceptance.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As a Muslim, this is my duty to come here because what happened yesterday, as a Muslim, we never support it and we want to show our support to the British community.

MCLAUGHLIN: On Thursday the attack claimed a fourth victim. A 75- year-old man pulled from life support. And the world learned the identity of teacher Aysha Frade, reportedly killed on her way to pick up her kids from school. "She was highly regarded and loved by her students and by her colleagues," said a school statement. "She will be deeply missed."

American Kirk Cochran was in London to celebrate his 25th wedding anniversary. His wife Melissa badly injured in the attack. On social media Cochran's brother-in-law wrote, "Our hearts are broken this day as we say good-bye."

U.S. president Donald Trump tweeted out his prayers and condolences, and there was a parliamentary tribute to Police Officer Keith Palmer.

THERESA MAY, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: He was every inch a hero and his actions will never be forgotten.

MCLAUGHLIN: The injured hail from 11 nations. An attack on London is an attack on the world, a point made by the British Foreign secretary and former London mayor, who is on a visit to the United States.

BORIS JOHNSON, BRITISH FOREIGN SECRETARY: The world is uniting to defeat the people who launched this attack and to defeat their bankrupt and odious ideology. And I say that with confidence because our values are superior. Our view of the world is better and more generous and our will is stronger.

MARK ROWLEY, ACTING DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, METROPOLITAN POLICE: This cannot be undone.

MCLAUGHLIN: At the vigil London's acting police commissioner said, "While we can't change what happened the capital can control its response." A day after the brutal attack, London stood united and defiant.

Erin McLaughlin, CNN, London.

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VAUSE: Well, for more we're joined now CNN's military analyst, Lieutenant Colonel Rick Francona.

So, Colonel, this claim of responsibility by ISIS, it seems to follow the usual script, the usual timing. Some have noted that there is a lack of biographical information, this lacks the specific details. We also have this from the International Center on the Study of Radicalization pointing out that there is no mention of the London attack in the latest issue of the terror group's newspaper. So what if anything do you make of all that?

LT. COL. RICK FRANCONA, CNN MILITARY ANALYST: Yes. And we didn't see the claim until later. There was a -- they give a rundown every day of their activities, and they left this out on the day you normally would have thought to see it. So it almost looks like this was an afterthought. And the perpetrator of this act does not fit the profile that we normally see. He's a bit older, 52 years old is not normally who we see in the self-radicalized attacks. So let's see if there is more information that really ties him to this. It's going to take a few days. It took us a while in the San Bernardino case to actually figure out how the radicalization took place. So is this an empty claim? We don't know yet. But ISIS doesn't have a history of making these empty claims. So there's something there. We'll find out what it is in a few days.

VAUSE: OK. We have ISIS right now on the back foot in Iraq and Syria, and the concern according the U.S. secretary of State is that a digital caliphate must not flourish in the place of a physical one. But in many ways that seems to be exactly what is happening, isn't it?

[00:05:10] FRANCONA: That's exactly what's happening and you can see it in the writings of ISIS. They know that they're going to lose territory. They know that it's only a matter of time before they're defeated in Mosul and eventually before they're defeated in Raqqa. So they are losing their capitals in both countries. So they know they have to change their organization. And what it looks like they are planning to do is morph back into more of an insurgency.

And we see this in their recruiting. They've really stepped up their digital recruiting efforts. And they believe that Iraq is probably the most fertile ground for this. They believe the Sunnis there are ripe for recruitment because once ISIS is defeated there is no one that they're telling people is there to stand up for the Sunnis. They believe that the Sunnis perceive themselves to be at the mercy of a Shia dominated government that's very influenced by Iran. And that resonates with a lot of the population so we're starting to see these recruitment efforts. Now are they going to bear fruit? We don't know yet.

VAUSE: OK. Let's stick with Iraq because, you know, the fall of Mosul is just a matter of time but that doesn't mean that is will be gone from Iraq. There will be pockets of ISIS. They just released photos of the execution of two Iraqis who they accused of spying. This apparently happened less than 100 kilometers away from Baghdad, nowhere really near Mosul.

FRANCONA: Yes, this is -- this is just the province right next to Baghdad, it's just north and east. We've seen a lot of attacks in Shia areas perpetrated by ISIS. They've taken credit for them. Where do they all come from? A lot of them originate in east Diyala province. Well, but the Iraqi Security Forces who are charged with defending Baghdad are so focused now on the liberation of Mosul that they're really stretched thin throughout the country. So we've got these pockets of ISIS that you talked about in the Euphrates Valley and then a pocket southwest of Kirkuk and this group up in Diyala.

The Iraqis are figuring they're going to go after the center of gravity of ISIS, take them down in Mosul and then come back and clean up these remaining pockets. But in the meantime, ISIS is not down and out. They are still capable of not only beheading a few people here and there but mounting car bombs, devastating attacks in Shia areas.

VAUSE: OK, Colonel. Thank you so much. Lieutenant Colonel Rick Francona, appreciate it. Thank you, sir.

SESAY: Well, more now on that terror attack in the UK. The car rental company whose vehicle Khalid Masood used in the parliament attack says it is cooperating with authorities.

VAUSE: CNN's Nic Robertson has more now on the man behind that deadly rampage.

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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR (voice-over): Khalid Masood, 52 years old, with a three-decade history of violence. Named by police as the terrorist believed to be responsible for the deadly carnage in London Wednesday.

According to police he had several aliases, was born in Kent just south of London, most recently living in the west midlands. Masood's most recent conviction was in 2003 for possession of a knife, one of many brushes with law enforcement including for radicalism.

MAY: What I can confirm is that the man was British born and that some years ago he was once investigated by MI5 in relation to concerns about violent extremism. He was a peripheral figure.

ROBERTSON: ISIS' propaganda wing claiming him as a soldier of ISIS acting in response for appeals for attack but offered no evidence of a direct link. Police say he was acting alone.

ROWLEY: It is still our belief which continues to be borne out by our investigation that this attacker acted alone and was inspired by international terrorism.

ROBERTSON: Even so in an unarmed raid in Birmingham in the west midlands early Thursday morning witnesses report police taking several people from this building.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I see police arrest one lady. And I see two, three people, but I don't know how many people arrested. But one lady and two, three people, and police with gun, and outside waiting and that's it. I see these people. That's it. I never ever see these people before.

ROBERTSON: A mile away at the Enterprise car rental agency, owners called police to state their vehicle was used in the attack. Birmingham, a once fabled industrial heartland 100 miles from London,

appears to be emerging as a center of gravity in the attack.

(On camera): Police say of the eight people arrested Thursday six of them including those detained here are all being held on suspicion of preparation of acts of terrorism. Police caution the investigation still has a long way to run.

Nic Robertson, CNN, Birmingham, England.

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[00:10:04] VAUSE: Well, officials are still not saying much about the motivation behind the London attack. Often so-called lone wolves have been radicalized online.

SESAY: Many become immersed in extremist content easily found on the Internet. Well, now Google and YouTube are facing an advertiser boycott by more than 200 major companies after revelations their ads were appearing alongside videos created by supporters of white supremacist groups, hate groups and even terror groups like ISIS.

VAUSE: Well, for more Hemu Nigam is with us now. He's an Internet security analyst and the CEO of SSP Blue.

Hemu, good to see you.

SESAY: Always nice to have you here.

HEMU NIGAM, INTERNET SECURITY ANALYST: Thanks. You too.

VAUSE: OK. So the issue here is when someone plays, you know, like a video on YouTube before you get to the content you have to watch an ad, you get that -- you know, ad comes up, wait 15 seconds or something. Companies like AT&T, Verizon, Johnson & Johnson, these big companies, they've just found out that their ads are being played before some pretty offensive content and they want it to stop.

NIGAM: Right. So what's happening is they not only found out they're playing right on top of the video but sometimes there are other ads that are running. So what companies are saying is we're not just pulling not just out of YouTube but those ads could appear in a whole bunch of other related sites that work with Google. So it's actually a significant impact. And I will tell you there is a positive in this that is going to change the course of how advertisers work with platforms and also affect what kind of the content that may be available on sites like this.

SESAY: I mean, at the heart of this, isn't it the case, that basically technology has outstripped the pace of advertising's checks and balances?

NIGAM: Well, it's the same thing that happened when television was there and all of a sudden the Internet showed up and nobody knew how to deal with all of this.

SESAY: Yes.

NIGAM: So now what you see is even more faster pace with a number of videos being uploaded per hour and things like that. So what's actually happening is advertisers are saying, wait a minute, these are giants that we're advertising on but so are we. So maybe there is a balance to be struck on what kinds of ads appear on what kinds of content or next to what kinds of content. So there's a dialogue that's absolutely been started all based on the revenue potential that both companies want which means there's actually a shared interest here which is a good thing.

VAUSE: There is -- there are millions -- tens, maybe hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue at stake here. And when you look at the amount of content, 400 hours of content uploaded to YouTube every hour, every minute, but regardless it's a lot explains why this is so hard to actually try and do. We heard from Eric Schmidt, the boss of Google, he said he won't make any guarantees at least now that they can fix this. That's pretty telling.

NIGAM: Well, it's a balance between how much can technology identify what is the content inside a video. So for example, is it hate speech? Is it a discussion about hate? And so those are the kinds of things that algorithms are currently inside of Google, created by Google engineers, are looking for this acceptable or not acceptable under their terms of use. But what is the human mind really thinking when it's making a statement? That's the challenge all algorithms always have. And so that's why the CEO of Google is saying, you know what, I'll try my best. I'll put my best engineers on, update my algorithms, but I can't guarantee it because you never know what somebody is really thinking and it's hard to determine that.

SESAY: Speaking of challenges this is what one analyst said about efforts to fix this problem. Google must walk a fine line between giving advertisers more control and alienating the massive community of content creators who've made the site a top destination for coveted young viewers. Is that right? Is that the challenge here?

NIGAM: That's absolutely right. The very purpose of a platform is to say, hey, bring your user-generated content, here is your platform, put what you want on it and then that generates more eyeballs, more viewers, longer time on the site which is actually what advertisers want. They want people to be on the site longer so they see their brand flashed in front of them. So there is a very delicate balance not only for Google but also for advertisers because the more you push Google to say fix these ads or fix this content, the less usership happens, the less people see their own brands which means that both sides actually get affected on their revenue stream.

VAUSE: Well, as this boycott continues, Google shares have taken a hit. They've lost more than $20 billion, it's wiped off the face of the company. So that's an incentive for Google to get this fixed, I guess.

Hemu, as always, thanks so much.

SESAY: Hemu, thank you. NIGAM: Thanks.

SESAY: All right. Well, it appears that the bad news just keeps coming for Google. This is Friday morning's cover of the "Daily Mail." It's sensational headline reads, "Google, The Terrorist's Friend."

VAUSE: The British tabloid claims in just two minutes online it found terrorist manuals on how to use a car for mass murder. The "Daily Mail" notes that Google removed links to the manuals once they were made aware of the postings.

SESAY: It's time for a quick break now. Still ahead, a highly anticipated congressional vote to overhaul health care insurance in the U.S. gets pushed back until Friday. Can one more day really make a difference?

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[00:17:20] VAUSE: Well, the Republican plan to roll back Obamacare heads for a make or break vote on Friday, do or die, now or never, chances for passage, though, seem slimmer than ever.

The vote was scheduled for Thursday, the seventh anniversary of Obamacare, but was postponed when Republicans could not get enough support from within their own party. After a day of intense negotiations the Trump White House and Republican leaders said they were done talking and would go ahead with the vote on Friday.

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REP. PAUL RYAN (R), HOUSE SPEAKER: We have been promising the American people that we will repeal and replace this broken law because it's collapsing and it's failing families. And tomorrow we're proceeding.

DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Do you have the votes? Do you have the votes? Do you have the votes?

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SESAY: That's our Dana Bash there asking that question, do you have the vote?

VAUSE: He did not answer.

SESAY: He did not. He scuttled, I think you'd say.

Defeat would be a blow to the president's prestige after he campaigned to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act. Many conservative Republicans refuse to go along because the bill does not get rid of Obamacare's so-called essential benefits. They require insurance companies to offer policies on maternity care, addiction treatment, prescription medicine, lab tests and other health services.

VAUSE: OK. Let's bring in political analyst Earl Ofari Hutchinson, author of the "End of Obamacare," and Republican consultant, one of -- a favorite of the show, John Thomas.

Good to have you guys with us.

You're a friend of the show. OK. John, first to you, this move by the White House, part gamble, part threat, part bluster. Is there also a calculation going on here that Republican lawmakers won't throw Trump under the bus because this is such a crucial test for his ability to get anything done when it comes to Congress?

JOHN THOMAS, REPUBLICAN CONSULTANT: That might be a bridge too far. I think it's just simply he's tried the carrot approach, offering pork and whatever handouts he can give to this people, and that's not enough to get him to the vote. So now he is using the stick because whichever member show up and vote no against Obamacare, they now are at risk of potentially being primaried as somebody who didn't want to repeal and replace Obamacare.

SESAY: Well, Earl, the House minority leader Nancy Pelosi is clearly enjoying everything that is taking place right now. She called the GOP's decision to basically set a date for the vote before they had the consensus, a rookie error. Is she right?

EARL OFARI HUTCHINSON, POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, I don't think she's right in that sense because my guess is there is going to be a vote. I mean, the White House has weighed in on that. Trump has pushed that. You know, they've lobbied all day. Paul Ryan and the rest of them. However, you're right, though, they are delighted in that because now you've got a fight in the GOP house. You know, usually the way it's framed on all of these issues especially the Affordable Care Act, the new act, of course, is the GOP versus the Democrats and the GOP we have the votes, we have the power, we have the unity. We have that.

Well, now it seems you don't have any of those things and it's falling apart. So of course Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats would have a big smile on their faces.

[00:20:08] VAUSE: OK. So even if this bill actually does managed to make it through the House, by some miracle, it does get the support that it needs, and it's way short by about 30 at least I think, well, then comes the Senate. Here's Senator Lindsey Graham.

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SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: The process in place to produce a bill gives a Turkish bazaar a bad name. What does it sound like? People are being threatened to vote yes. They are being bribed to vote yes. It sounds a lot like Obamacare to me. I have very little confidence that the process that I see playing out in the House is going to produce a very good result and I promise you this, that if the bill comes to the Senate we're not going to do it the way the House did. We're actually going to be able to amend the bill, we're going to actually be able to read the bill and take a thoughtful approach to trying to repeal and replace Obamacare.

(END VIDEO CLIP) VAUSE: So, John, at this point, politically does it even matter what happens in the Senate because the House obviously is the first big crucial test?

THOMAS: You've got to take it one step at a time, John. If you get to that next step, then Trump is thinking politically he can turn up the heat on Lindsey Graham. But you've got to get past that --

VAUSE: And a whole bunch of other senators.

THOMAS: That's true. And a whole bunch of other senators.

VAUSE: Including Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, the whole of others who said they didn't like it.

THOMAS: Yes. But you know, he's -- I think Senator Graham is overstating or actually understating how legislation is made. Handouts and favors are done all the time. That's how every bill is passed. This is no different. Just the stakes are higher.

SESAY: I hear you're saying take it one step at a time but, you know, those folks in the Freedom Caucus, those ideological puritans in the House are making a point that if by some miracle this does pass and it gets to the Senate and they do the kind of thing Lindsey Graham was talking about changing it when it comes right back to the House they're going the kill it. So either way this thing is dead.

THOMAS: It's a tough go.

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SESAY: Earl, you want to take it? He's not committing.

HUTCHINSON: But here is something else from Senator Graham. I'm almost hearing him saying it's almost dead on arrival.

VAUSE: Yes.

HUTCHINSON: That bill that comes out of the House is not going to be the bill that we are going to in fact look at.

SESAY: That's right. That's right. Exactly.

HUTCHINSON: We're going to put -- by the time the Senate gets through talking it to death and amending it to death it almost might look -- and this is the irony -- like Obamacare, or the Affordable Care Act, and of course that would be the horror of the House if that happens.

VAUSE: Right. Yes, OK. Well, one of the big complaints right now about Trumpcare is that it just simply won't bring down the cost of insurance premiums.

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REP. MO BROOKS (R), ALABAMA: We're supposed to be doing this in order to make health insurance and health care more affordable. Unfortunately, this legislation, this massive Republican welfare plan, does not do that according to the Congressional Budget Office and the Joint Committee on Taxation. Health insurance premiums if this Republican health care plan passes, will go up 15 percent to 20 percent over the next two years.

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VAUSE: OK. There's also new estimates out from the Congressional Budget Office, a bipartisan group, showing savings of $150 billion over 10 years, not the original $337 billion because of all the changes that they're making.

Again, John, you know, the accusation here is that the changes that are being right now, at least what Democrats are saying, is only making this bill worse.

THOMAS: Well, I think the Democrats have to be careful. They're getting more of what they would want. They're getting more coverage, more things that are covered. I think what you have to look at is look, this has to be Trump's baby. It's a make-or-break thing. If in fact premiums do go up, voters are going to hold him accountable. Also Trump is saying that the CBO has been wrong before, and they have, with Obamacare estimates, so may they are wrong in this instance.

SESAY: Yes. I think you're saying that this is Trump's baby, but the other question is who is going to be left carrying the can if this fails? Will it be Trump or will it be Speaker Ryan, Earl?

HUTCHINSON: Well, I think the way things are stacking up now it could be both because let's face it, if, in fact there is a vote or not a vote, we don't even know at this point, it's all speculation, but let's say there is a vote and then it's still voted down at that point in time, President Trump has put all of this political currency behind that and it fails. Paul Ryan has put his political currency behind it and it fails. Where does that leave either one of them?

VAUSE: Ryan probably gets the vote because of the -- of the blame because of the failing Congress I imagine because of Donald Trump.

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VAUSE: OK. Very quickly, let's move on to the latest in the Intelligence Committee. According to the House Intelligence Committee, the Ranking Democrat there, there is new evidence of collusion between Russia and associates of Donald Trump.

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REP. ADAM SCHIFF (D), RANKING MEMBER, INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE: It's not the kind of evidence that you would submit to a grand jury at the beginning of an investigation. It's not the kind of evidence you'd take to a trial jury when you're trying to prove something without a reasonable doubt. But we are at the beginning of an investigation. And given the gravity of the subject matter I think that the evidence certainly warrants a full investigation. MANU RAJU, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Did you have -- is

there some new evidence that you've learned that makes you think there is more than just circumstantial?

SCHIFF: We have received additional evidence and materials -- new materials have been made available to the committee.

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VAUSE: We should note that the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Devin Nunes, says he has not seen that evidence.

[00:25:05] He doesn't know anything about it. At this point can Congress complete this investigation? Are they capable of doing it?

SESAY: Credibly?

VAUSE: It seems to be politicized. Should they hand it over to a special prosecutor?

HUTCHINSON: At this point in time, I mean, they control the committee. They have the votes, they have the numbers, they have the chairmanship, their leadership of the committee. So at this point in time, no matter what new evidence, it would have to be very, very new and explosive, I mean, really compelling, and then also, too, there's another component beyond Congress and that committee, what about the general public? What pressure could be put there? Both the Republicans and Democrats, their constituency. But at this point in time it doesn't look like it's going to go very far unless it's just really a bombshell.

THOMAS: Right.

HUTCHINSON: That cannot be ignored.

THOMAS: Yes, Adam Schiff is trying desperately to revive the story as best, or keep it going as long as he can. I think the point about the special prosecutor, no, they shouldn't. You've got the FBI on the case. If there is something there, they'll find it. And you've got a House Intelligence Committee looking into it.

SESAY: I don't think you can say this is a case of Adam Schiff trying to keep the pressure up on the story. I think there are a lot of people in Congress that were perturbed by the way Devin Nunes handled things by going to the president without even speaking to his colleagues on the committee.

THOMAS: Well, he had to do it because he didn't want the Democrats to step on his bounce, you know?

VAUSE: OK.

SESAY: Had to do it, chose to do it. You know.

VAUSE: Summoned to do it.

SESAY: Summoned. You know?

VAUSE: Thank you.

SESAY: Gentlemen, thank you.

VAUSE: And we will take a short break. When we come back, more details are emerging from London's terror attack. We will return to the scene and retrace the suspect's final moments.

SESAY: Plus a Kremlin critic is shot dead in Kiev. Ukraine's president says it's behind the attack. The answers just ahead.

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[00:30:06] VAUSE: And we're learning more about the man who carried out the deadliest terror attack for the U.K. in more than a decade.

SESAY: Well, Police say, 52-year-old Khalid Masood killed four people and winning dozens more in the Parliament Wednesday. He was shot dead at the scene.

VAUSE: Official saying, his valid criminal history doesn't include terror offenses. They believe he acted alone. But, an ISIS news agency claim that terror group was behind the attack.

SESAY: Police have made a number of arrests in Birmingham in London. But, it's not clear if those detains are associated with Masood.

VAUSE: CNN Nick Paton Walsh takes us back to where's that attack happened in heart London.

SESAY: Then he tells us about some of the victims.

NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: A Westminster Bridge here now teeming with life again. The place where the man we now know as Khalid Masood began his rampage, mounting the curve here in a Hyundai SUV and that's where he began to inflict the 40 injured people who are actually injured here.

We know that one of the people who lost his life Kurt Cochran was actually here. Can you imagine on his 25th wedding anniversary, his wife, Melissa, surviving the attack with injuries to her ribs, leg and face.

Also, killed here was Aysha Frade, a 43 years old Spanish teacher living in London. And you can see in the terrifying amateur video recorded during that attacked. The people are flung into traffic, some it seems thrown into the river. One woman in fact fished out from there with injuries now after the attack.

But, that car continued on down here to towards the railings throw the down the road past that police line where people are laying flowers in tribute to those who'd lost their lives. And that is where parliament (inaudible) to steal a victim and he go out to the cars and crashed went around the corner. He took his knife and then it was accosted by Pc Keith Palmer. Many tributes to his bravery, he lost his life in trying to stop Masood from getting into Parliament's courtyard which he was then shot dead. ISIS News Agency, affiliate new agency remark, who said that he was a soldier acting on their behalf. Their language suggests some difference not tallies really to go on U.K. official Britt Matters (ph) told me.

It's frankly too early, but official says -- say it whether there were actually operational links between ISIS and this attacker. And that he -- among the two, that official were going to crack our marker, our very keens retrospectively claim attacks as being mess. All eyes though really on that man's history and how British Security Services can prevent future attacks like that. Someone with a criminal record, now we'll visits seems to this point, either logical events not fitting the profile being 52 years old, much older and say when he eye the local, two ISIS has twisted beliefs.

But this area here now sometimes with tourists oblivious to what happened to put also with people now going home in a place which horribly transformed in their lines because of the violence that happened. The worst attack in fact is upon the United Kingdom since 2005 and one which certainly took shocking violence here to the heart of British Democracy and government. Nick Paton Walsh CNN, Westminster Bridge, London.

VAUSE: And Belgian police say they stopped what may have been an attempted terror attack, arresting a driver who was speeding toward a busy shopping area on Thursday and refusing to stop.

SESAY: Police say the man had knives and a pellets old gun in the car. Belgian media say, the driver was too drunk to answer questions from police.

VAUSE: Ukraine further encloses the murder of a Kremlin critic, a Russian State terrorist act. Former Russian lawmaker Denies Voronenkov was shot and killed in broad daylight Thursday outside a Kyiv hotel. He was critic of Russian procedure of Kremlin. He also said he was helping Ukraine in its treason case against former pro Russian Mikhail Gorbachev.

SESAY: Ironical, suspected killer also died after a shootout with a body guard. This is the latest in the string of attacks on Russian critics. But the Kremlin spokesman said, "Any claims Russia is tied to the killing are absurd."

VAUSE: An Israeli teenager is under arrest in connection with the series of bomb threats to George Institution and Community Centers in the Unites State and in all the country.

SESAY: Police said the 19 years old suspect camouflage his computer and change his voice when calling in the threat. His lawyer says he has inoperable brain tumor which is affected his behavior for years. The suspect was arrested Thursday in Southern Israel.

VAUSE: And a short break, when we come back ahead of Friday's key vote on Health Care in Washington we'll look why it is so incredibly difficult to reform such a complicated and what some people say is a broken system.

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SESAY: Now, the republican bills repeal and replace Obamacare will go to a house vote on Friday, but passing it as is will now look like a long shot. Speaker Paul Ryan can afford to lose no more than 21 House Republicans to get it through.

VAUSE: Calling a lot of count as many as 30, GOP members may vote no. President Trump vote in applying the pressure, there's the issuing an ultimatum. Negotiations are over, the time to act it now when it come to reforming Health Care. It seems the president's words from last month and are now coming true.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: We have come up with a solution that's really, really I think very good. Now, I have to tell you, it's an unbelievably complex subject. Nobody knew that health care could be so complicated.

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VAUSE: Well, joining us for moment is California State Senator Ed Hernandez and is also a medical doctor who has a lot of experience from the medical side and political side when it comes to health care.

SESAY: Perfect merits (ph).

VAUSE: OK. Let's just explain to our viewers all out about why you're one of the mysteries of health care in the United States. Why it is so closely tied to your job. You get a job and you get benefits, you get health insurance. You lost your job, you lost your benefits.

ED HERNANDEZ, CALIFORNIA SENATE LEADER AND MEDICAL DOCTOR: So, if you think about the history of health care in this country dates back hundreds of years from the railroads and to Montgomery wards believe it or not. But I think what really started to tie into the jobs was under FTR when they froze wages and we had a workforce shortage.

VAUSE: It's during the war.

HERNANDEZ: So during the war. So, what job -- what companies you did to try encourage and get the best labor that they could because they can increase wages, they offered health insurance, did a couple of things. Number one, the unions liked that because they want an employer-based. So, I think that's where the birth of the modern Health Care System came where the majority of employees in wage have insurance here in this country.

SESAY: Someone who was born in the U.K. and grew up there. One of the things that I can't wrap my head around and I think this is the same for many of our international viewers is one in this country there is a sense that a Social Welfare System can not exist with business and capitalism, this kind of zeros on gain whenever we have this conversation.

VAUSE: Yeah, right.

HERNANDEZ: Well, Unfortunately ever since that point, every time we've had a health care discussion, it's a very politicized system that we have in this country. And the other thing too is we have a for-profit health care system and it makes it difficult to marry the profits of the Health Care System with the dynamics of the political process and then, jobs as well.

SESAY: But it's not impossible to do.

HERNANDEZ: No. It's not impossible. And I think what we have to do is we have to move towards that way because if you think about this country we're one of the richest countries in the world. It's industrialized. And yet, we have some of the poorest health outcomes and some of the highest costs of health care in the world. And we have to do something to fix them.

VAUSE: It does you to come down to a question, is health care right? I mean a lot of countries, a lot of modern economies, wealthy countries had settled that question. They say yes. In this country, that so seems to be sort of an open question, right?

HERNANDEZ: Well, I think it's a right. And whether we agree or disagree. But if you about it, if let's say we don't have a health stem where everyone is insured or close to it. We're going to out people anyway. They're going to end up in the emergency room. We're going to have to take care of them. It could be a public health problem. We have to make sure that this country that everyone has access to health care. It's just something we have to do.

[00:40:03] SESAY: I mean, beyond the question of, is health care right? It goes even further back to what is the responsibility of government.

VAUSE: Right.

HERNANDEZ: Right.

SESAY: And that's, you know, at the heart of this debate that we see on Capitol Hill right now.

HERNANDEZ: Right. So, if you look at the Obama Administration when we had the healthcare bill, how controversial that was. You had way left that wanted to a government-run system. And then, you have the more moderates. They wanted to have a market-based system. And that's the dilemma that we're now having with the Republicans, because you have the extreme right, they wants to get rid of it all. You have the moderates who wants to maintain what we have.

So, we have -- the politics are involved in this healthcare system. But we have to look past that, because at the end of the day, the voters, they want healthcare. And we have to get rid of these partisan politics. Work together and solve this so that everybody has right in healthcare. VAUSE: Hold a success that this moderate could say, because when you look at a political level, this comes down to how, you know, the constitution is written and how congress works.

ANBDREWS: Right.

VAUSE: Essentially, you know, compared to like Europe and Japan where there is a centralized system where the majority rules. This country is not set up this way. This country is set up so that the individual and states essentially dictate the terms in many ways. So, it is very difficult to get a national policy passed.

HERNANDEZ: Right.

VAUSE: To congress being healthcare or anything.

HERNANDEZ: That's right? So, I don't disagree. But I think the Affordable Care Act is a good start. And I hope that we could move forward with that. But I think what we need to do is we have heard the saying that states are the beginnings of democracy. And that what we do is we are the Petri dishes of how we come up with ideas.

Allow the states to be innovative. You know, make sure that we have the federal dollars that come to us, but more importantly allow the states. Let us, California for example has done an incredible job. We've insured the most number of individuals. We dropped the uninsured rate the most and we've controlled healthcare costs better than any other state. Let us do it.

SESAY: Yeah.

VAUSE: OK. Dr. Ed Hernandez, thanks so much.

SESAY: Thank you.

HERNANDEZ: Thank you very much. Thanks for having me.

SESAY: I appreciate your time.

HERNANDEZ: Yeah. I appreciate it too.

VAUSE: OK. Well, if you'd be on social media recently you may have seen that. It's a pretty incredible video. It's from New Jersey. It's a man stepping between two teenagers that were squaring off for a fight. The video has been viewed millions of times. It was re- tweeted from the basketball legend Lebron James.

SESAY: This Ibn Ali Miller breaking up a street fight between two boys. As you see here, Miller calmly gets the boys to stop even gotten them to shake hands. Witnesses are now praising his actions.

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JAMAR MOBLEY: He was minding his business. He just came out the car and just stopped it like he didn't like that at all. He said, "I will not leave until you guys shake hands." UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And this was not staged?

MOBLEY: Oh no, sir. It was like Mr. Ibn Ali Miller, I will thanks him a lot, because it was for him, if I could won a hold just on ways.

UNIDENTIFIED REMALE: He has made them shake hands and they did that. And I just wish there was more people where we need some more Ali's out here.

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SESAY: They will.

VAUSE: Yes. Actually Mr. Miller, before Mr. Miller.

SESAY: Yes. Yes. Miller was honored by Atlantic City's counsel. He told the counsel, "These sorts of act should just be the norm."

VAUSE: Definitely not.

SESAY: Well, thank you for watching CNN Newsroom live from Los Angeles. I'm Isha Sesay.

VAUSE: I'm John Vause. World Sports is up next and we'll be back with another out news around the world. You're watching CNN.

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