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Crime and Justice With Ashleigh Banfield

18 Frat Brothers Arrested After Hazing Death; Engaged Doctors Murdered in Luxury Boston Condo; Teachers Injured in School Fight; Wild Police Chase to Find Man on the Run. Aired 8-9p ET

Aired May 08, 2017 - 20:00   ET

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[20:00:00] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s be honest. This didn`t have to happen.

ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HLN HOST (voice-over): A father ripped apart by the senseless loss of his son.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No parent should have to deal with this.

BANFIELD: Eighteen fraternity brothers at Penn State now facing charges.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The secrecy of fraternities and the brotherhood is extremely hard to break.

BANFIELD: Allegations of forced drinking, lies and hiding evidence.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They let him lie.

BANFIELD: A young man lying helpless for hours.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It is unbelievable to have a crime captured from beginning to end.

BANFIELD: As minute by minute, the events leading up to his death are caught on tape.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It literally is the story of this crime.

BANFIELD: Two doctors engaged to be married but found murdered inside a $2 million penthouse.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He got a message from his friend saying that there`s a gunman in the house.

BANFIELD: Their hands bound, throats slit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was some type of knowledge of each other here.

BANFIELD: Did the killer know the couple?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can`t get up there without a key.

BANFIELD: If so, what`s the connection? What`s the motive?

An all-out brawl in a high school hallway, girls attacking girls, a substitute teacher knocked out cold, seven other kids hurt in the chaos.

What should happen to these kids, school justice or grown-up jail?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) we`re inside Walmart.

BANFIELD: A different kind of high-speed chase, an officer sprinting through Walmart, looking for a bad guy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Keep your hands up!

BANFIELD: But why was this man running from the cops? And what was inside those pockets?

And a high-speed pursuit au naturel. A woman high on drugs steals the sheriff`s truck and leads a 70-mile chase. All the while, she`s buck

naked.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where`s all your clothes at?

BANFIELD: Find out how long she`ll wear prison stripes now.

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BANFIELD: Hello, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. This is PRIMETIME JUSTICE.

It is graduation season for millions of American high school seniors. And along with the prom and pomp and the circumstance, there will no doubt be

those sobering conversations about the dangers of drinking too much.

But these conversations may be nothing compared to the conversation you should be having with your kids come this September because what happened

at this fraternity house at the prestigious Penn State University could stand as a beacon for the chastening of all college freshman who are

looking to join Greek life.

This is the Beta Theta Pi frat house. You are not going to find it active on campus anymore. They`ve been banned. One of their pledges turned up

dead after a night of heavy pledging, also known as binge drinking, also known as forced drinking. Some allege it`s actually just criminal hazing.

But whatever you call it, 19-year-old Timothy Piazza spent nearly 12 hours in a drunken stupor so severe, he could barely stand, barely walk, barely

talk. And it is for that reason he stumbled and fell down a flight of stairs, twice, and slammed his head into a door, into an iron railing, into

a table, into a hardwood floor and a few other damaging obstacles.

It would not be long before Timothy, who just wanted to belong, would instead be dead. And shortly after that, 18 members of that fraternity

would be charged criminally, some of them facing manslaughter. Prosecutors say he died from traumatic brain injury that he suffered in that house.

And you can add a big reason that he`s dead, because his so-called brothers maybe just didn`t get him the help that he needed in time.

And worse, Timothy`s blood alcohol was estimated to be upwards of .36 percent that night. That is a life-threatening level. Why wouldn`t it be?

Because one pledge told investigators that that kid was put through something called the gauntlet. It`s an extreme drinking game where a

pledge has to drink about four to five drinks in as little as two minutes, going from station to station to do it.

A grand jury has now weighed in and said that that fraternity encouraged reckless conduct that amounted to a disregard for human life. The

prosecutors relied on security camera video from inside that house for a virtual play-by-play of what happened that night.

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STACY PARKS-MILLER, CENTER COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY: These brothers gathered around Timothy, where he -- where some of them describe that he

looked dead. And they waited over 40 minutes before they called for help, while some of them Googled things like what to do with a head injury.

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[20:05:12]BANFIELD: Forty minutes. I`m going to give you a little more on that timeline because it`s more like hours and hours and hours where people

may have stepped over him, slapped him in the face, but moved on. One frat member searched "hazing deaths" -- actually searched hazing deaths before

actually searching 911 or calling.

And when they finally did call for help, they didn`t tell that help that Timothy had fallen. Prosecutors also say that fraternity members told

pledges to clean up the house and get rid of evidence, get rid of the evidence of alcohol.

CNN`s Sara Ganim is following the story for us. She`s been working it since the charges came down over the weekend.

You read the timeline of what happened to this kid -- he arrives at 9:00 o`clock at night, and it would be 13 hours and 48 minutes later that he

would ultimately be headed for his death in the hospital. And I would say only an hour and 45 minutes of that is the drinking. The rest it is a haze

and a stupor so bad, I can`t imagine that anybody would think it would be OK to let this continue.

SARA GANIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, that`s right. But that`s what the grand jury alleges. And it goes into great detail, I think, to serve as an

example. You know, this is a case where you see eight fraternity members charged with manslaughter -- eight. Then you have 10 more charged with

other crimes, including hazing. And on top of that, the fraternity is charged hundreds of counts in total. That`s one of the largest instances

of people being charged in something (INAUDIBLE)

BANFIELD: I`m pretty sure I`ve never heard of anything like this. I`ve never heard of something with hundreds of charges, including the fraternity

as an organization being charged with manslaughter, right?

GANIM: The DA says it`s one of the largest. It`s kind of hard to quantify. And that`s the interesting part here, Ashleigh, is there`s not,

like, a database that shows these kind of issues across the country. That is lacking. You can`t just log on somewhere and find out what fraternities

have had problems.

BANFIELD: What`s so strange is that you see some people with charges, and some of the charges are 50 each for this one person. So I can only assume

it means not just this night, not just Timothy, maybe other pledges. I think there were 14 pledges there that particular night, but maybe

countless of other underage drinkers possibly on other nights.

Have you been able to figure out why some people are facing upwards of 100 or more charges?

GANIM: The things that they found that this was happening over time, that it wasn`t just this particular night. As you said, there were multiple

pledges who were in the house. The fraternity president`s facing 200 counts. I mean, that alone is a large indictment for someone in a

fraternity.

BANFIELD: Can I read something that the fraternity president, Brendan Young -- that`s who you`re referring to, right? So the fraternity

president wrote some messages on the Groupme (ph) app. And it`s actually kind of intriguing to see what he writes. I want to get the right one up

here. But follow me, if you will.

Brendan young wrote this. "They could get us for giving him alcohol that contributed to his death." And then he also wrote, "Also, the guys taking

care of him didn`t call an ambulance right away, so they could get in trouble for negligence. I just don`t know what I`m liable for as

president."

I can only imagine the grand jury gave that evidence some great weight because weren`t there a lot of people all messaging on this Groupme app

about what to do and what to clean up and maybe what to get rid of?

GANIM: After the fact, they were talking, according to the grand jury, about cleaning up the alcohol, about getting rid of some of that evidence,

about not talking about the hazing. They were directing the pledges.

They were also Googling during the 12 hours where he was clearly in distress. They were Googling things like cold hands, cold feet, what to do

in a medical emergency, how to take care of someone, instead of calling 911. That`s what the grand jury alleges.

BANFIELD: And it is astounding that investigators also found a receipt for $1,179 in liquor purchases, and all of this coming from a fraternity that

had pledged to be a dry fraternity, a dry house where there would be no alcohol of any kind and that anybody who was found with it would be turfed

(ph) out.

GANIM: And the reason why was because of a violation back in 2009. They were suspended for a year. When they came back, the pledge was that they

would be a dry house. That was the circumstance under which they were allowed back.

Then in 2013, four years later, they were found to be in violation of that. And then, you know, this continued. They were found to be a fraternity

that was in compliance. Penn State had said that they were a model fraternity for several years. And now, looking back, they take some of

that back.

[20:10:02]BANFIELD: So this kid, 19 years old, Timothy Piazza, wanting to be a fraternity brother. The Center County district attorney had this to

say about what Timothy was expecting when he got to the party that night, and what he actually got. Have a listen.

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PARKS-MILLER: He was warned ahead of time that there was going to be drinking, and a lot of drinking as part of this fraternity`s rituals. And

when he got to the fraternity, they had a night (ph) set up for him that was called a gauntlet. And they made the pledges, soon to be brothers, run

from station to station and drink enormous amounts of alcohol in different phases.

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BANFIELD: Well, Timothy`s dad was also present to make a comment publicly. I don`t know how he could have at this point. I don`t know how, as a

father, you can come to terms with this kind of a senseless death. And in fact, that`s exactly what his point was. This is Jim Piazza about what

happened to his son.

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JAMES PIAZZA, FATHER: This didn`t have to happen. (INAUDIBLE) feeling of entitlement, flagrant disobedience of the law, disregard for moral values

that was then exacerbated by egregious acts of self-preservation. This did not have to happen.

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BANFIELD: Tom Kline is the attorney representing Timothy Piazza`s family. He joins me from Philadelphia.

Listen, I can`t imagine what your clients are going through, having lost their son in this way. But I`m wondering what they are going to go through

going forward as they look at this criminal prosecution. What will they be doing on the civil side? Will they be suing Penn State for this?

TOM KLINE, ATTORNEY FOR PIAZZA FAMILY: Well, first of all, the Piazzas are resolute that something good comes out of this. And they are going to not

only be standing by the district attorney every step of the way and strongly support punishment in this case, but they`re also looking for the

criminal prosecution to bring deterrence.

On the civil side, we now have a wealth of information that was unavailable with the sealed grand jury, and now we`re ready to move forward. We`re

going to carry our investigation forward, and unquestionably and undoubtedly will hold everyone responsible, including Penn State.

BANFIELD: So every one is a big number. We have 18 people facing charges just now, Mr. Kline, and then there`s the actual fraternity itself. Then

there`s the national chapter. Then there`s Penn State. Then there`s the president. I`m just wondering, how wide do you cast your net?

KLINE: There is a large net to be cast here. The fact of the matter is, there is a lot of culpability to go around. And we intend to pursue all of

those who were responsible here. We support the district attorneys going in the direction that they`ve gone, and we also plan to follow similarly.

BANFIELD: OK. I want to bring in Dr. Imran Ali, if I can, resident physician. Dr. Ali, I partly want to talk to you as a doctor. I also want

to talk to you as a social commentator about what you see in this story playing out.

The defense might suggest that how are, you know, teenage boys who are intoxicated themselves supposed to determine between what looks like a

traumatic brain injury, which is what Timothy Piazza seems to have died from, and just severe intoxication. You`re a doctor. Can you spot the

difference immediately? Would you know right away?

DR. IMRAN ALI, PHYSICIAN: It`s very obvious. Just the fact that he hit his head more than one or two times is enough. And then the fact that he

was unconscious was another tip-off that they should have really gotten some help. And the fact that they were looking on the Internet for head

injury -- that`s very surprising. You know, with a subdural hematoma or an epidural hematoma, time is of the essence. You have to decompress the

bleeding so the patient can survive. I mean...

BANFIELD: Dr. Ali, but you know what? I still -- I`m trying to put my not 49-year-old brain on this story.

ALI: Sure.

BANFIELD: And instead, I`m trying to put my 18 or 19-year-old brain on this story. And I remember being in college and seeing some super-duper

drunk people with writing on their foreheads and shaving cream and one missing eyebrow, and everybody thinks it`s kind of funny. Are those kids

supposed to be able to determine between super-funny drunk and super-deadly drunk?

ALI: Well, the thing is, the patient, if he was -- the person -- if he was not responding, responding to voice, to touch, that should be an obvious

concerning sign for anybody in any kind of injury. And so I think that`s something that should have tipped them off. But yes, I mean, being grossly

intoxicated to the point of being in a stupor, it can be sometimes hard to distinguish between...

[20:15:02]BANFIELD: I hate to say, it happens in every frat house almost every Friday night. I mean, that`s the hard part of this.

Let me break for a moment. I want to bring in Caroline Polisi and Joey Jackson. You guys are lawyers. You probably see this from both sides.

You can see it from the parents of those kids who were also pledging and also having fun and also fraternity kids and had no idea that a boy was

going to die that night, and the parents of Timothy Piazza, who had no idea they`d send their kid to college and never see him again.

JOEY JACKSON, CNN/HLN LEGAL ANALYST: This is tragic. It`s most unfortunate. You know, I think we all grieve and hate the fact that that

wonderful young man that we`re looking at, Ashleigh, is dead.

But you say, yes, it happens at fraternity houses every Friday, and Saturday and Sunday and Monday. You`re going to criminalize -- so you`re

going to take 18 kids and you`re going to put them in jail and you`re going to send them there for five years or more, and you`re going to say, You

should have known, you should have been responsible because kids are being kids.

I know it`s a contrary view because we want to prosecute everybody and lock them up and hold everyone responsible. Let me be clear about this. From a

civil liability perspective, I think it needs to be pursued. I think Penn State needs to be responsible. I think we need to clean up our frats. I

think hazing goes on too much. But to criminalize this and hold everyone accountable, I just don`t think it`s the appropriate thing to do. And I`m

against this prosecution completely, period.

BANFIELD: Wow! I will say this. I am all for really loud messages getting across America and saying finally, Enough is enough. Kids, you`re

going to die if you do the gauntlet. There`s a good chance you`re going to die if you do five stiff drinks in two minutes. And you`re probably going

to die if your friends continue to step over you and laugh at you and write on your forehead.

On the other side of the coin, Caroline, we didn`t get a message from Duke lacrosse and all the disaster that befell those folks. We didn`t get a

message across the country there. We still had the Brock Turner rape case. So do these messages, even if you want to prosecute and make big headlines,

do they get out anyway?

CAROLINE POLISI, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I think the question everybody`s asking themselves is when is this going to stop? When is enough enough?

And I think that the state has really made a strong case here, a strong argument. They`ve come out and actually charged the fraternity, which, as

you noted, that`s unprecedented, right? This is a corporation.

And what they`re alleging is a widespread and pervasive nature and a culture which not only turned a blind eye to these horrendous acts but

actually indulged these actions, and to some extent really condoned this. So I think it`s really interesting what we`re going to see happens in this

case because, you know, the whole -- the entire Greek system could go down.

BANFIELD: I mean, the whole -- entire Greek system needs a shakeup, without question.

JACKSON: So should we prosecute every school and every university in every country for kids behaving badly? Don`t get me wrong. This is abhorrent.

It shouldn`t have happened. We all grieve for this person. But now you`re talking about criminal liability? Where does this end? Is this the

message that prosecutors could send?

BANFIELD: Well, I think it ends when a young man dies, and his friends walk over him and...

JACKSON: It begins. The discussion begins...

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BANFIELD: ... handed alcohol in a place where he`s been told and his parents know to be a dry place. I mean, I think we can go back and forth

on it.

JACKSON: Civil liability, Ashleigh. I don`t see it as...

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JACKSON: Yes, I do. That`s not the point.

POLISI: ... grossly negligent.

JACKSON: I do believe that. But now we`re going to take 18 kids who were in school to advance themselves, to move forward, we`re going to throw them

in jail. And now the example is set. Let`s go from Penn State to the University of California. Let`s take it to the other coast. And now

everyone`s prosecuted? Look, I know I`m in the minority in this point of view because we want to throw people in jail. We want to leave the key

there and everything else...

BANFIELD: No, no, no! It`s not that we want to throw them in jail...

JACKSON: ... but the fact is...

BANFIELD: ... Joey, but when my little boys who are age 10 and 11...

JACKSON: Civil liability.

BANFIELD: ... head off to college, I want the message to be ringing in their ears that this...

JACKSON: But should we do that as parents?

BANFIELD: ... happens. And they could go to prison, or they could die!

JACKSON: Yeas, and my son`s in college now, too, and I hear all about the parties. But the reality is, shouldn`t we do that? Shouldn`t there be an

education mechanism where we, as parents, speak to our children? Shouldn`t there be colleges, universities and professors who speak to children?

Aren`t there alternate ways to profess and to talk to kids...

BANFIELD: I speak to my kids every night.

JACKSON: ... without putting them in jail forever?

BANFIELD: I am white noise. I am white noise. But they watch the news and they see what happens. And when that becomes resonant and it`s loud

and everyone across the country hears these things happen and kids go to prison right from the frat house, then maybe, just maybe, we will save some

kids!

JACKSON: I think there are alternate ways to save kids.

POLISI: They let him lay there for 12 hours after the initial fall. He fell down the stairs at 11:00.

JACKSON: You know, Ashleigh, I think you said it best when you said, I`m going to take my 49-year-old hat off and I`m going to put my 19-year-old

hat on. We`re talking about kids who are in college. We all saw "Animal House," did we not?

BANFIELD: But they`re grown-ups.

JACKSON: We know what goes on in -- I know they`re grown-ups...

POLISI: But that doesn`t make it right.

JACKSON: ... but they`re developing.

POLISI: That doesn`t make it right.

JACKSON: So what makes it right is taking them and throwing them in jail and taking them from people who would be doctors and lawyers and change

agents and politicians and presidents, and now we put them in pens...

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JACKSON: ... in orange suits and we say, OK, that`s fine.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We do it with drinking drivers who otherwise would be good citizens!

JACKSON: It`s a completely different thing.

BANFIELD: But it`s a message! It`s a message!

JACKSON: Drunk drivers are 40 and 50 and 35...

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s a 19-year-old!

(CROSSTALK)

JACKSON: I think it`s a false prosecution. Civil liability, I`m for it.

BANFIELD: By the way, can I just say...

JACKSON: Criminal, I`m not.

[20:00:02]BANFIELD: I don`t think there are a lot of drinking driving teenagers these days because...

POLISI: Exactly!

BANFIELD: ... there`s been so much imprisonment...

POLISI: Exactly!

BANFIELD: ... because so many of them have lost their liberty, because even though they`re 18 and 19 years old, they get caught drinking and

driving and they go to the pokey!

JACKSON: I think it`s different. I think it`s we`re on message. We have Mothers Against Drunk Driving. We have other organizations. We speak to

the issues. We speak to the deterrents of going out and drinking. We speak to the stupidity of it. And we constantly educate the public about

it.

It`s not because we throw people in jail because you are part of the frat and you looked at him and you stepped over him, so now you`re going to

jail.

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POLISI: ... the fraternity community is saying now because they`re saying that we have -- we tell the story. We`re on the show with you over and

over and over again, right?

BANFIELD: Over and over and over.

POLISI: And they are saying that enough is enough and that there needs to be a change, and the message hasn`t been getting across.

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: I should have booked the whole show on this topic alone because I...

JACKSON: I`m with enough being enough, but I`m not with putting 18 and 19- year-olds in jail for years to send out a message! There are other ways to deliver a message!

BANFIELD: And that`s going to be the last word.

JACKSON: And throwing them in jail is not the appropriate way to do it...

BANFIELD: I`m going to give you the last word.

JACKSON: ... I`m sorry!

BANFIELD: And that`s the last word on it. But you know what? I think we`re going to have to do another show on this because, clearly, got you

going.

JACKSON: It does. I mean, it`s relatable. My son is in college. I hear all about it. I get the text messages. I talk to him about it.

BANFIELD: I`m so sick of seeing kids die.

JACKSON: Things go on.

BANFIELD: I am just so sick of seeing kids die.

JACKSON: And we`re all tired of seeing kids die! But...

BANFIELD: Why can`t they go back to just the paddle? Paddle the kid`s ass!

(LAUGHTER)

BANFIELD: Don`t give them all the liquor! Don`t give them all the dope! Don`t make them force drink! Paddle his ass! My dad was branded. My dad

was branded! That was his hazing!

JACKSON: And maybe...

BANFIELD: But he`s alive.

JACKSON: ... that`s the way to get the message. Maybe that`s the way to get the message out.

(CROSSTALK)

JACKSON: Brand all of them! I`m for branding all of the 18...

BANFIELD: I got to go.

JACKSON: ... and the frat, but I`m not for sending people to jail. I`m sorry...

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BANFIELD: You two don`t go anywhere. You, Miss Pulitzer Prize-winner. Thank you for lending all your reporting and for being here for this story.

Thank you both.

A murder mystery in Boston, two doctors tied up and killed in the $2 million penthouse they shared. And police say the couple`s killer left

something very strange behind. Now the question is, did he actually know them? And what was with the weird message?

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[20:26:28]BANFIELD: They were doctors in love and they had everything to live for, engaged to be married and living in a high-security luxury Boston

penthouse costing upwards of $2 million. And that is exactly where their dream story came to a tragic and violent end. It happened on Friday night.

Dr. Richard Field sent a text message to a friend, and it was a plea for help.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And the friend said that they received a text message requesting that the police be notified that there was a serious situation

and that there was a gunman in the apartment belonging to Richard Field.

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BANFIELD: Police arrived and found a suspect in a very dark hallway. They say they think he may have pointed a weapon or even fired a weapon at them.

But then they made the real discovery, a discovery that no responding officer ever wants to make.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Once inside that entry, determined that there were two people within the apartment, later identified as Lina Bolanos, age 38 and

Richard Field, age 50. Both individuals, your honor, were bound, and both were deceased, having sustained obvious trauma.

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BANFIELD: So Dr. Field and his fiancee, Dr. Lina Bolanos, were found dead in that apartment. They both had their hands bound, as well. So the

question would be the motive, right, the motive of the alleged killer here in the hospital bed, Bampumim Teixeira. And that motive still seems to be

a mystery, but the information is on in earnest.

And CNN correspondent Jean Casarez has been working the story all day. Jean, first and foremost, the elephant in the room is the room that we just

saw. That was a hospital room with this suspect seemingly out of it in a hospital bed, and it sounded a whole lot like an arraignment. And as I

understand, that`s exactly what it was. Why there?

JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (via telephone): Because he`s in the hospital and they have a certain amount of time, based on his due process

rights, to have that arraignment. And that`s the defense attorney right there you`re seeing on your screen. That`s the prosecutor right there.

Also, the court clerk was there. And obviously, the defense did not have an issue with it. They apprised him of his charges. And he nodded his

head several times. It looked like he heard what was being said to him.

BANFIELD: So what do we know about the grisly scene that these responding officers stumbled into in this spectacular $2 million penthouse apartment?

CASAREZ: Well, a lot of things, they`re saying, have been misreported today. And really, the police late today, when they had a press

conference, said that it`s just really tragic for the families to hear that. But here`s what they`re telling us. They`re saying that they were

bound. And we`re talking about Dr. Richard Field, Dr. Lina Bolanos, both anesthesiologists in the Boston area. They were bound. There was obvious

trauma.

They also found at least one knife that they believe had been in the possession of the defendant. They found a replica firearm. So it appears

as though it was a fake firearm. So it doesn`t look like they were shot. We don`t know exactly how they died, except that knife on the scene, I

think, is indicative of what may have happened.

But it`s an amazing story because it appears as though Dr. Richard Field on Friday night a little after 8:30 had the whereforall (sic) to be able to

text a friend of his saying, Serious situation, gunman. And that friend...

[20:30:03] BANFIELD: Wow.

CASAREZ: ... it appears made two phone calls, to the doorman of the building saying, This is the text I`m getting from Dr. Field, and also to

the Boston Police Department.

So, immediately, the Police Department went there. They went up to the penthouse level, and they found some keys outside that particular penthouse

door. They knocked on the door, Boston Police. Nobody answered. They took the keys, Ashleigh, and opened the door.

They went inside. It was a dark hallway once you get inside the apartment. That`s where they confronted a black male in black clothing with black

gloves. That`s when they believed a gun was pointed at them. They shot back. And they did hit him in the hand, the abdomen, and the leg. Not life

threatening injuries. And yes, you saw the day he`s still in the hospital.

BANFIELD: So here`s what`s so bizarre. I think everybody wants to know. What is the connection? What is the motive? There`s been some talk about a

jewelry heist. I don`t know if that`s the avenue that they`re going down. But I do know that the Suffolk chief trial counsel, John Pappas, talked

about a backpack full of jewelry. I want to hear what he has to say about the stuffed pack, the strange backpack, and where it was found in the

apartment. Have a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just inside the apartment door, your honor, the black backpack was located in a remarkably conspicuous area that was described as

that. Inside of that backpack, your honor, it was filled with jewelry, presumably belonging to Miss Bolanos.

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BANFIELD: So, Jean, that would sound like mystery solved. Backpack full of jewelry. It belonged to the victim. It was staged and almost ready to go

out the door. But for the fact that this is a $2 million apartment with cameras, life security guards, key fobs with you cannot get up without,

and then you got this guy, Bampumim Teixeira, that used to be a security guard by some reports.

So are we to believe that this is just a jewelry heist where two people were so horribly murdered with their hands bound or is there something else

afoot?

CASAREZ: Well, the police said that they are looking into the motive, but they don`t know. They also said they`re looking in to see if he had been a

security guard in the past with a sister building of the apartment complex. Let`s look at his rap sheet for a minute because he did have a rap sheet.

Not a violent one. But he pleaded guilty to two larcenies at a bank, one in 2014, one last year in 2016, when he handed over a note to the teller,

demanding money.

No one was injured. He had no weapon. That`s why it was larceny and not a type of robbery situation. But his mode of operandi there was to get money.

He needed money. He wanted money. He has been incarcerated since probably June. If you look at nine months, that was the term of incarceration for

him. Recently out. We heard that in a press conference today.

BANFIELD: Looks like a teenager in that hospital bed.

CASAREZ: . and now allegedly murdered.

BANFIELD: But he`s 30 years old.

CASAREZ: 30. 30 years old.

BANFIELD: And like you said, two bank heists at the same bank before. So who knows? I think there`s a lot more questions than answers at this point.

Jean, we`re going to check back into you when you get a little bit more of your investigative work done. This is just bizarre. It is a very strange

story. Jean Casarez, thank you for that.

School fights are absolutely nothing new. We`ve talked about them on this program. But I would like you to do something right now. I am going to show

you something. I want to you to look very, very carefully for the grown-ups in this school fight.

(START VIDEO CLIP)

(SCREAMING)

BANFIELD: I don`t see them. But, do you know what? They`re there. They`re there to the tune of several of them, more than half a dozen of them being

injured. And this is a girl fight. This is HLN News that hits home. Back in a moment.

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[20:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: At a high school just outside of Philadelphia, teachers try to physically break up a student fight. It`s all caught on video and it`s

disturbing to see these students swinging wildly, as ultimately the teachers end up getting caught right in the middle of it and become victims

of all of this violence.

You can see a teacher ultimately get completely knocked out. Knocked out, right to the floor. Out cold. Watch and see if you can spot the number of

teachers actually injured in this all-out brawl.

(START VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get to class.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Move, move, move, move!

(SCREAMING)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

[20:40:00] BANFIELD: Goes by pretty fast, doesn`t it? If it was hard to spot, here is the breakdown. That fight involved four female students,

including two sisters, I`m sure their parents are proud. One of them was charged as an adult in all of this, so that`s different than school

justice.

The other ones were charged as juveniles. But in the end, it was eight teachers, eight, who were injured in that. Solomon Jones is the morning

host for WURD Radio. He joins me from Philadelphia. What started this, Solomon?

SOLOMON JONES, MORNING HOST, WURD RADIO: So apparently it started over something that someone said about somebody else on social media and it just

bloomed from there. Unfortunately, social media is just something that I think we all have to learn how to handle, but especially teenagers. I`m

really grieved by this because my oldest daughter went to Cheltenham High School. And so in watching this, it`s sad to see that things have come to

this.

BANFIELD: They`re tearing their clothes off. They are literally going for blood. This is just girls. Just the girls.

JONES: Yes.

BANFIELD: No boys in this one. That teacher in the gray sweater out cold on the floor. Real quickly if I can, I want to bring in former eighth grade

teacher and high school basketball coach, Segun Oduolowu. Segun, you and I spoke before about what we are seeing going on in schools, kids out of

control, kids behaving badly.

But I think it is a big question that looms when you see this kind of violence and eight teachers being injured. What is a teacher to do? Risk

his or her personal safety and get involved or stay out of it and get sued because a kid gets hurt?

SEGUN ODUOLOWU, FORMER EIGHT GRADE TEACHER AND HIGH SCHOOL BASKETBALL COACH: Well, Ashleigh, it`s nice to be on again. I wish it weren`t under

such horrible circumstances. To answer your question, I would say that the teacher should stand back and let the kids fight. Understand that teaching

in high school nowadays is a difficult, often thankless job, but it should never be hazardous to your health.

That female teacher knocked unconscious, I won`t call her a victim because these teachers chose to engage and try to break up a fight. There are paid

professionals who roam the halls and keep the peace. And the principal actually spoke about that to those teachers who are injured about some of

their security staff. If the school has security staff, then teachers should not be engaging, trying to break up a fight when this is the outcome

that could possibly happen.

BANFIELD: It`s just sort of astounding. You think about the possibilities that they`re thinking this through, as mayhem, you know, unraveling around

them. And they have to make a lightning speed choice. Do I try to save that kid, who ultimately could end up in the hospital? And if I don`t, I could

actually come up on some negligence here.

Or do I get involved and then I get sued by the parents because I put my hands on that kid? Or my third choice is, I`m unconscious on the floor. So

what are teachers supposed to do? What kind of decisions are you guys being taught now to deal with what`s now becoming what seems epidemic?

ODUOLOWU: Well, this is why so many teachers are leaving the profession, so many good teachers are leaving the profession. And with these videos

cropping up more and more, you`re seeing the violence responsive from adult reach maximum level because nobody is sure what to do. The easy answer

would be to blame the parents that are raising these kids that are basically turning into an MMA fight in the middle of an institution for

higher learning.

BANFIELD: Yeah.

ODUOLOWU: It`s ridiculous on the teachers` part to weigh in there. And they`re going up against students oftentimes that are as big as them.

BANFIELD: Are big. I can see they look like adults. I mean, this is what`s so terrifying. I don`t think I would want to go anywhere near this. It`s

violent and so aggressive. Real quickly, Caroline and Joey, one of the things the school put out was a letter to parents saying we won`t tolerate

filming the fights.

JACKSON: Yeah.

BANFIELD: Filming the fights. All I can say to that is without the filming of that fight, you wouldn`t have that adult charge and that evidence that

you have for those kids either. What is that supposed to mean?

JACKSON: It`s exactly right. I mean, you know, this is occurring and we`re worrying about the filming of the fight. But I think.

BANFIELD: Yeah, bigger problem.

JACKSON: Exactly. I think what they`re getting at is the larger issue of don`t film the fight, do something about it, get someone in charge so that

you can resolve the issue as opposed to fanning the flames.

(CROSSTALK)

POLISI: You used the exact right word, Ashleigh. Epidemic. It`s incumbent upon the schools to keep both the children and the faculty safe which is

why we see so many armed security guards in schools these days. The fact is the teachers did not have to get involved. It is not part of their job

description to risk their own life.

BANFIELD: And eight of them, eight of them now.

JACKSON: Ashleigh, if they don`t, it`s like what you say, right? You`re darned if you do. If you`re a teacher, you don`t get involved.

[20:45:00] Why did you get involved?

POLISI: Horrible situation.

BANFIELD: You people are sick (ph), is all I`m going to say. Every teacher out there, my Lord. My thanks to my guest, Solomon Jones, thank you, and

Segun Oduolowu. Thanks to (inaudible) for being able to pronounce your name properly this time. We`ll have you back very soon. I guess this is a story

repeating over and over.

High-speed chase. Not your typical arrest. It begins with a traffic stop. Then it ended inside a big old Walmart, guns drawn. Why did the perp run

exactly?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Keep your hands down. Got him at gunpoint.

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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[20:50:00] BANFIELD: In Oklahoma, an officer`s body camera captured some wicked drama. A police chase. Suspect in a stolen car. Car that was going

over 120 miles an hour. A car was weaving in and out of traffic. And it`s really a miracle that it just didn`t end with a big crash.

They actually lose track of him, he is going so fast. But then they get tipped off. The car and driver were seen, you guessed it, at a nearby

Walmart and that is where an unbelievable take down unfolded.

(START VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You are in the officer seat. A body cam capturing every move. Gun drawn as he approaches a stolen car that gave chase.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (inaudible) run from this car.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He went inside.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He went inside.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A McClain County deputy pulls up. They make their way inside Walmart, running to the entrance.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are inside Walmart (inaudible) get more units.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The officer walks around in search of the suspect. Then takes off sprinting around corners through the aisles.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve got him at gunpoint. Keep your hands down.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say that`s Woodrow Greenback, face down on the floor as the deputy works to cuff him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you got?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Meth.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just meth, he says. The officer pulls bags out of his pockets.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You are on arrest.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: With that, they haul him off, workers and shoppers watching every move. The officer lets him have it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You could have killed running like that. How many families drive on that road?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: More help arrived as they work to secure the car.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are there any surprises I am going to find in this car other that stolen? Nothing else. There is one chance, be honest.

(inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: There were some surprises, yeah. There always are. I want to bring Deputy Joshua Shaw of McClain County Oklahoma Sheriff`s Department.

You were in that video caught on your partner`s body cam, Deputy Shaw. What was your first response when you finally caught up with him in Walmart?

JOSHUA SHAW, MCCLAIN COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: Well, I was first happy to be there to attempt to get this guy off the street. Of course our first

initial response is the safety of the public and getting this guy in custody.

BANFIELD: So that`s you. I want to make sure our audience knows that`s you. And you`re basically staring down the barrel of your partner`s gun there.

So I love the fact that you say you got anything, and he said just meth. Is that what you hear often? Just meth?

(LAUGHTER)

SHAW: Actually, we do. It`s one of the rising narcotics, probably across the United States, definitely here in Oklahoma. A problem that we had. So

it`s common.

BANFIELD: I can`t believe that the fellow on the ground thinks it`s just meth, as though it`s not that big of a deal. Not as though as anything more

serious than that. So real quick question about procedure. Because when I was watching your partner`s body cam shot, I got a little jittery for the

folks in the Walmart who might have seen you with guns drawn running through Walmart. Is the gun cocked? I mean, what if you tripped, could it

have gone off?

SHAW: Well, our primary safety is our trigger finger, it`s what we call it. So we make sure we don`t put our finger on the trigger until we are ready

to actually (inaudible). So that`s our primary safety. From there, you know, we look around at our back stops and make sure if we do have to take

it to that level, we get a good shot.

But we definitely don`t want to take it to that level. Our main thing is to get control of the situation and get him into custody as quickly as we can

and as fast as we can.

BANFIELD: Well, you did. I mean, man, it took seconds. We`re looking at the replay and it`s so quick and it`s so impressive. I can only imagine there

were some shoppers around you who saw this. What was their response?

SHAW: One lady, she was startled a little bit. We made sure they were okay. We got him on handcuff and out of the store as quickly as we can, like I

said for their safety and so Walmart.

BANFIELD: Nobody clapped? What about the applause, Deputy Shaw? Nobody gave you a little way to go pow?

SHAW: Well, it`s about their safety. We`re not.

BANFIELD: I know. Well, I`m giving it to you, okay? You didn`t get it in Walmart, I`m here to give it to you. That was quick, painless, out to go

methanol. And then about that surprise in the car, he said there would be no surprises in that stolen car. But there were couple of loaded syringes,

weren`t there, And a few other choice little presents?

SHAW: Yeah, Officer White (inaudible) Police Department (inaudible) with that pursuit and calling it out.

[20:55:00] (inaudible) right direction. He found some narcotics inside the vehicle and he found some drug paraphernalia inside the vehicle which

included some loaded syringes. So he did locate that inside the vehicle.

BANFIELD: And I think that`s what you call an unwelcome surprise, loaded syringes. Listen, Deputy Shaw, thank you so much for doing the good work

that you do. And tell your officer partner, Jerry White there, we appreciate the video and the work that he did too. You keep safe out there,

okay?

SHAW: I will do and greatly appreciate you guys for bringing us on to the show. And I also like to thank Deputy Tucker (ph) and Trooper Joe (ph) and

Trooper Boswell (ph) on the help (inaudible). I appreciate it.

BANFIELD: Sharing the glory. Thanks pretty magnanimous of you. All right. Thanks so much. We appreciate it, deputy. Back right after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: My thanks to Caroline Polisi and Joey Jackson for being here tonight. A spirited debate.

JACKSON: Always. Always. Great show. Thank you, Ashleigh.

BANFIELD: Thanks for being here.

[21:00:00] I will see you tomorrow night at 8:00 for PRIMETIME JUSTICE. In the meantime, "FOrensic FILES" starts right now.

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