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Crime and Justice With Ashleigh Banfield

Traffic Stop Goes South; Hunt For Killer; Death By Texts; Beyond A Reasonable Doubt; Home Health Care Horror

Aired June 12, 2017 - 20:00   ET

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ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HOST (voice-over): Inside a serial killer`s sick and twisted prison, remarkable video as sheriffs rescue Kala Brown.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I got it.

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: Watch as they discover her in the stifling hot container.

KALA BROWN, VICTIM: He shot him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He shot him?

BANFIELD: Hear what she tells them as they free her from chains around her neck, her wrist and her ankles.

BROWN: Todd Kohlhepp shot Charlie Carver three times in the chest, wrapped him in a blue tarp, put him in the bucket of the tractor, locked me down

here. I`ve never seen him again.

BANFIELD: And watch as she leads them to other victims buried nearby.

BROWN: He says he`s dead and buried. And he says there`s several bodies dead and buried (INAUDIBLE)

BANFIELD: Two little babies, their deaths so unfair.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Brynn was just learning how to walk.

BANFIELD: Left in a hot car by Mom. Cops say she went to party with friends.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She said, No, they`re fine. They`ll cry themselves to sleep.

BANFIELD: A neighbor wishing she`d stepped in sooner.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You don`t want two kids to die. It`s just not fair.

BANFIELD: Mystery in Cleveland.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Appears to be homicide.

BANFIELD: Police outside an upscale home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) no motive yet.

BANFIELD: Three bodies inside, and it is not what you think.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The mother and two daughters.

BANFIELD: Who wanted this beautiful family dead? And why are police saying so little?

Talk about naked ambition!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s the deal, man?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nothing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why are you naked?

BANFIELD: A man wanders the open road determined to make tracks.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You are absolutely naked, my man. Another thing, not normal.

BANFIELD: But the officer finds this is no peaceful nudist.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why would you try to open up my driver`s door? Are you kidding me, dude?

BANFIELD: Find out what led to this back seat outburst?

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: Hello, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. This is PRIMETIME JUSTICE.

There is a reason that we stop in our tracks and watch police at work. There`s a reason dashcams and bodycameras are becoming a staple on TV, but

I am going to guarantee that you have never seen the kind of rescue carried out by sheriff`s deputies in Spartanburg, South Carolina.

And a word of warning. The call came in as the woman being held inside a storage container, and she had been there for months, locked up, a chain

around her neck, another around her wrist, still more restraints around her ankles. That container was right in the middle of a hot patch of land

belonging to a man named Todd Kohlhepp, a real estate developer, now better known as a serial rapist and killer.

He didn`t last long in the public eye. They dispensed with him lightning fast. He pleaded guilty to killing seven people and also chaining that

woman in the container. Her name is Kala Brown, and because she survived, she has relayed a remarkable tale of a sick and twisted man who raped and

murdered his way through the past decade-and-a-half.

Her ordeal started when she and her boyfriend, Charles Carver, went to clear one of his properties. She says within minutes, Kohlhepp shot Carver

dead, then buried his body in a shallow grave near where he had also dumped the bodies of a husband and wife who had also disappeared months before.

He then led Kala to that shipping container in the middle of his land, where he chained her inside for three months. And it is Kala Brown`s

unbelievable rescue from inside that pitch black container that I want to focus on first.

Nothing about her rescue was easy. Here are the deputies as they arrived. They discover she`s trapped inside, and a crew of people got to work to try

to free her. First they used the electric saw with sparks, tried to cut through it, one volunteer having to take a sledgehammer to the lock.

Twenty-four strikes later, it still wouldn`t budge.

Then another worker comes in with a huge pair of bolt cutters to try to get through the lock, open the doors. And when the sun finally poured through

into that prison, they caught their first look at the girl chained up inside. And they rolled video every step of the way.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) crowbar (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Watch out. Don`t move.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I got it. Watch out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, Joey? Joey?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sheriff`s office (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

[20:05:02]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you OK?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have any weapons? Coming through.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s your name? What`s your name, ma`am?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) OK. All right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just a girl. Just a girl.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How are you, honey?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) bolt cutters.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s a paramedic.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, we`re going to get you out of there, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just hang loose for me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anybody got a -- I need a handcuff key.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Handcuff key.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t have one.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hold up. Slide back.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let me see your light.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can put your hands down, sweetheart. You`re OK. We`re here, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Y`all sit back (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Light on or off?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Light. We`ll get the rest of it here. Let`s get her out of here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re getting bolt cutters, honey. Don`t -- don`t...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You got pictures of the cuffs?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bolt cutters.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Both feet?

BROWN: Just one, OK, to a chain to the wall. And my neck`s attached to the wall up here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. All right. We`re going to get you out, sweetheart, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Give me that handcuff key.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) one`s in my car.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bolt cutters. Just hit the chain right there loose. Just -- no, right there at her hand, Brandon. We`ll get it off.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cut it right here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you know where your buddy is?

BROWN: Charlie?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

BROWN: He shot him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He shot him?

BROWN: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who did?

BROWN: Todd Kohlhepp shot Charlie Carver three times in the chest, wrapped him in a blue tarp, put him in the bucket of the tractor, locked me down

here, and I never seen him again. He says he`s dead and buried. He says there`s several bodies dead and buried out here. And he says that the dogs

would be ruined if they go looking because there`s red pepper.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re going to step you out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because there`s what?

BROWN: Red pepper.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Tell the dog people to...

BROWN: He says there`s dead people everywhere around the farm, especially around the ravine back in the land.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: That is video I can safely say in 30 years of broadcasting in television news I have never seen before, the live moment-to-moment rescue

of Kala Brown from that shipping container. And as they were rescuing Kala, another team of their partners from the sheriffs` office was showing

up at Todd Kohlhepp`s expensive two-story home.

Take a look at this. Certainly doesn`t show signs of being a demented serial rapist and killer. Look at this place.

So a brief visit to the house. They eventually took him in, started the interrogation. It did not take long before he spilled the beans on another

murder, actually several, the 2003 murders of four workers at a motor sports store. Whether it was the fact that he was caught red-handed with a

woman in chains and bodies buried all over his property, Kohlhepp`s case is what we say in the business open and shut.

Brianna Smith from CNN affiliate WSPA takes a closer look at all of the evidence piled up against him.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BRIANNA SMITH, WSPA-TV: For 13 years, the family of a quadruple murder prayed for answers. Who shot their loved ones, and why? Little did they

know the day after that prayer, their answers would come from behind this fence.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I remember asking her, I`m, like, Who are you? She said, I`m Kala Brown.

SMITH: Kala Brown, the name that had been plastered on posters as a missing person out of Anderson.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... where Kala Brown and Charlie Carver are...

SMITH: A name suddenly spoken by a girl found chained and locked inside a shipping container on 100 acres in Woodruff (ph) nearly three months later.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re sitting here going, Did I just step into Hollywood on a movie set?

SMITH: A padlocked chain around her neck, her ankles shackled together and chained to one end of the shipping container. She was given dog beds to

lay on, a five-gallon bucket for a bathroom and just pieces of crackers and moldy cheese that was all she had to eat.

BROWN: Todd Kohlhepp shot Charlie Carver three times in the chest, wrapped him in a blue tarp...

SMITH: What kind of monster would do this?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) out of Hannibal Lecter. Here`s this girl chained up like a dog in the back of a container.

SMITH: Suddenly, an investigation to find a missing couple is the key to unlocking so much more.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Once we were in there and we realized the magnitude of what -- started to realize the magnitude of what we were dealing with, yes,

it kind of hit home.

SMITH: As investigators were rushing Kala to the hospital, a well-known real estate agent was being interviewed at his home in Moore.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hello.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How are you doing?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Doing well.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, good.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At the time that she spent with him and the rapport that in his mind they developed and the information that she gave initially

on that recorded video, we wouldn`t have known to ask some of the questions we did.

[20:10:06]SMITH: Inside this disheveled bachelor pad, investigators began to break down the inconsistencies in Todd Kohlhepp`s story, like why was a

couple from Anderson on his Woodruff property the day they were reported missing? And as Todd told his story, so did Kala, giving investigators the

very name they needed to crack a cold case.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kala Brown said he told me he killed these people at a motorcycle shop. That sort of snowballed.

SMITH: Three days later, on the anniversary of four people being gunned down at the Super Bike motor sports, the answer those families had been

waiting so long for finally came.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re trying to make sure that -- you know, that we don`t have a serial killer on our hands. It very possibly could be what we

have.

SMITH: A serial killer in Spartanburg, a killer that would close a case, a killer that had walked among us for 13 years.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Without her being a survivor and her survival, this would not have made it to where it is.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think Kala Brown was left alive for this reason, for this reason right here. You know, how else do you explain it?

SMITH: Could one woman held prisoner for three months really hold the answers to three separate murder cases? That`s what deputies would work to

find out over the next few days, including discovering Todd Kohlhepp`s chilling past, well before this property was ever a thought.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: In a deal reached with the prosecutor, Todd Kohlhepp is now serving seven consecutive life sentences, one after the other. For good

measure, he`s got another 30 years tacked on for sexually assaulting Kala every day, she reported. He`s also got 30 years for kidnapping both Kala

and her boyfriend Charles, who he murdered.

Joining me now, Danny Cevallos in New York, Areva Martin in Los Angeles. Areva, I want to begin with you. One of those authorities said this was

Hannibal Lecter. We felt like we were on a movie set when we walked into that -- into that shipping container. But when you see something like

that, is it really logical to believe that Todd Kohlhepp`s victims ended at seven?

AREVA MARTIN, VICTIMS` RIGHTS ATTORNEY: That story, Ashleigh, is so chilling, it`s really hard to watch. But typically, serial killers like

him, when they get caught, many want to confess. And he was no different. Apparently, within hours of being questioned by the police, his story

started to unravel, and he volunteered information about other people that he actually murdered as if he was waiting to get caught.

Kala Brown -- nothing short of a hero when you listen to her speak so calmly and give her account of what happened to her and her boyfriend after

being locked away for three months without food, without water, without any kind of provisions, but yet to be so strong and so courageous. It`s just

an amazing story.

BANFIELD: Areva...

(CROSSTALK)

MARTIN: ... it is off of a movie set.

BANFIELD: The really remarkable thing is when you look at this video -- we weren`t aware of this before -- she didn`t have her hands free to even feed

herself. If there was food in there or water in there, she couldn`t get at it. She could not use that bucket that was given to her to relieve herself

because she could not move. That chain was just a matter of feet.

I mean, the kind of torture that this women went through in the pitch black -- and I will say this was close to September, as well, so the temperatures

were up in the 90s, though obviously, it would be in the 100s in that container. The torture she went through -- she -- as brave as she was in

that video that you see there, she was also brave enough to give an interview to Dr. Phil and talk about what she went through. Have a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DR. PHIL, TV HOST: You hear him opening the door. What happened then?

BROWN: He talked about some stuff, let me know that if I tried to run, he`d kill me. If I tried to hurt him, he`d kill me. If I fought back, he

would kill me. And then he raped me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: And she continued, Danny, to inform the officers, prosecutors those rapes were daily, sometimes multiple rapes per day.

I want to also play this from Todd Kohlhepp`s mother, who gave an interview before she died. Her name is Reggie Tague. It was jaw-dropping back then,

and it is even more jaw-dropping now, given what we see as the conditions that Kala was living in in that shipping container. But here is Todd

Kohlhepp`s mother defending his treatment of Kala.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why did he chain that girl up?

REGGIE TAGUE, KOHLHEPP`S MOTHER: He says he didn`t know what to do at that point. She saw -- evidently saw him kill the other, her boyfriend, and he

didn`t know what to do with her. He couldn`t turn her loose. She`d go get the police.

[20:15:06]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So he chained her up.

TAGUE: And tried to make her as comfortable as possible and -- he had a dilemma.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did he abuse her?

TAGUE: No, he says he did not. He promised me. And believe me, he would have told me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What did he do to take care of her?

TAGUE: He brought her food and water and drink. He brought her something to lay on.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Tried to make her as comfortable as possible. I promise you, Mom, I didn`t abuse her. And now we know quite differently. Like I said,

Reggie Tague has since died. Probably a good thing for her she didn`t witness any of that video.

Danny, with the video, with a survivor, a potential next victim of a serial killer, that is what we call the slam dunk case. Why would prosecutors

make a deal? Why wouldn`t they say, No deal, death penalty state, and you`re going to get it?

DANNY CEVALLOS, CNN/HLN LEGAL ANALYST: Well, first of all, as we saw, there is no greater force of nature than the delusion of the mother of a

defendant. They will always defend them.

But going to your question, why enter into a plea agreement? There are a number of reasons even in a slam dunk case, one of which is you don`t want

to put a victim through the ordeal again. You want to respect their wishes to the extent that the prosecution can do so, but also keeping in mind the

prosecution represents the people and not the victims as clients.

They should still try to take into consideration what a trial would do to them, what it would do to their family. And with taking into consideration

all of those elements, sometimes a plea deal is warranted even when you have someone dead to rights and can probably go for the death penalty.

BANFIELD: I also want to just say our thanks to CBS "48 Hours" for allowing us to use that interview clip of Reggie Tague, the mother of Todd

Kohlhepp. I think it`s really enlightening.

But I think we can put this entire person to rest. He`s gone. He`s out of the way. And Kala, you`re right. You nailed it, Areva. She`s a hero and

she`s probably saved a lot more women who may have suffered the same fate.

Stand by, the two of you, if you will. It is horrifying that we have to keep saying this. Never, ever, ever leave your kids alone in a car for any

reason. Now a mother in Texas is facing charges after leaving two of her babies alone in a car for 15 hours.

And this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s the deal, man? Why are you naked?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: In Florida, a traffic stop where the driver lets it hang out in every sense of word, and gets violent, too.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you kidding me, dude?

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[20:21:42]BANFIELD: When it comes to leaving kids unattended in a car, you have probably heard it all -- just needed to dart into the store for a

minute. He was sleeping. I didn`t want to take him.

But have you heard the one about the woman who partied with her friends for 15 hours while her two babies were slowly dying in the car parked outside?

Because that`s what police in Kerrville, Texas, saw Amanda Hawkins did -- 19 years old, a mother of two showed up at the hospital with both little

girls unconscious and then said something about them sniffing flowers in the park and passing out.

But investigators weren`t buying that story. They say Hawkins left her 1- year-old and her 2-year-old daughters in a hot car while she hung out with friends inside a home for hours and hours and hours. When others inside

the home heard the little kids crying outside in the car, the deputies say Hawkins just told them not to worry about it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of them even told her that they could hear the kids crying out in the car and told her, bring them in, and she said, No,

they`re fine. They`ll cry themselves to sleep.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: They`ll just cry themselves to sleep. Well, police say when Amanda Hawkins finally did decide to fetch her kids from the car, little

Addy and Brynn were unconscious. And instead of rushing them to the hospital right away, which may have just saved their lives, she chose to do

something else.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They took the kids in the house, tried to bathe them. Kids were from what I understand pretty well unconscious then.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Addy and Brynn never did wake up. Doctors and nurses said that they did all they could, but the children died after being left in the 90-

degree heat with no food, no water, no place to use the bathroom need I remind you for 15 hours.

Michael Board is a reporter with WOAI news radio. He joins me from San Antonio. Where is Amanda Hawkins right now?

MICHAEL BOARD, WOAI (via telephone): She`s behind bars, probably where most people say she should be at this point. What really got me about this

case is when you speak to some of the veteran investigators who are working these cases -- these are cops who have been cops for many, many years --

they even told me, you know, this is one of the most disturbing and heart- wrenching cases they had ever covered.

And as you can imagine, it`s really taken a toll on this small community northwest of San Antonio. It`s just unbelievable how someone could do this

with children.

BANFIELD: So Michael, I hate to say this, as I look at her picture and I hear the story and then I hear (INAUDIBLE) the kids were smelling flowers

and let`s go and maybe bathe them. These allegations -- they almost sound Casey Anthony-esque. She almost looks Casey Anthony-esque.

What about all the others, the people who were at this so-called gathering? Have they been good witnesses? Are they clamming up? Are they backing

her? How have they been questioned?

BOARD: Well, there are some at the party who, you know, as we mentioned, told her she should go out and get her kids out of the car, and she did

not. We also know that there was a 16-year-old teenager who came with her to this party, that sometime during the night went out to that car to be

with the kids. We don`t know if he went out to the car intentionally to be with the kids or he just went out to the car to get some sleep. But we

know sometime during the night, he went out to that car, but he later came into the house.

[20:25:06]He is also probably going to face some charges. The sheriff`s department tells me he will likely face charges, as well, simply for the

fact that he knew the kids were out there and for whatever reason, did not do anything, did not call for help or did not get the kids out himself.

BANFIELD: Sixteen. I mean, look, this is a 19-year-old girl. She`s got two kids already. She`s hanging out with a 16-year-old, leaving the kids

in the car, allegedly. Do we know the nature of the relationship between the 16-year-old who apparently went back out to the car sometime in the

middle of the night and allegedly didn`t do anything, either, to help these little kids?

BOARD: No, all we know is that he came with her to this party. I don`t know if it`s a boyfriend. I don`t know if it`s just a mutual acquaintance.

But he apparently knew her well enough to go to a party with her. And you know, he`s 16 years old, and there`s some debate, you know, if you`re 16

years old, you know, should you -- are you competent to do anything in this case, but the sheriffs tell me that, you know, it`s likely he will face

some sort of charges in this.

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: That`ll be fascinating. That`ll be fascinating to see what happens there.

I want to bring in Joseph Scott Morgan. He`s a certified death investigator and professor of forensics at Jacksonville State University.

Joins me live from Jacksonville, Alabama.

Dr. Morgan, the story where she retrieves the children and does not rush them to the hospital, even though they`re just unconscious but they`re

alive, instead tries to, according to police, put them in some cold water - - if these children had been rushed to the hospital, is it possible they`d be alive?

JOSEPH SCOTT MORGAN, CERTIFIED DEATH INVESTIGATOR: No. Absolutely not.

BANFIELD: Why do you say?

MORGAN: Not after that period of time, Ashleigh. Let`s reflect back just for a second. It`s not too distant in our past, and that`s Cooper Harris.

We think about Cooper Harris. Cooper was only in that car for maybe eight hours, nine hours. You`re talking about a time elapsed here that`s almost

twice that.

These children never had a chance. The Texas heat beating down on this car, even after dark, is going to hold heat. They`re rebreathing air in

there. You know, with Cooper`s case, it was roughly the same outdoor temperature as these children experienced, roughly in the low 90s. It was

kind of this time of year...

BANFIELD: Well, let me push back. Let me push back for a minute and only because I think the timing is going to matter here.

MORGAN: OK.

BANFIELD: The high on June 26th was 88 degrees, the low was 67. And we do know the allegations say it was Tuesday night she goes to the party and

leaves them in the car. So if it`s Tuesday night, you`re somewhere closer to the low of 67. That`s cold. If you leave kids in a car overnight,

babies, you know, under 70 degrees is cold.

By noon the next day, they`re being retrieved and the high then is 91. So I guess feasibly looking at the temperatures as you get to high noon in

Texas, still the same story, still not a chance that they could have been revived in a hospital?

MORGAN: No, I don`t think so because once that car starts to heat up, it`s like being inside of a convection oven. And let`s keep in mind we don`t

know what condition these kids were in. Were they constrained in some way? Were they in carseats? And if they`re unable to move, there`s going to be

a high level of stress that`s going on with these children. So they`re in a phase of hyper-anxiety here -- shallow breathing. They`re going to wind

up having seizures. There`s probably nausea, stomach cramping, muscle seizures. It just goes on and on, Ashleigh. And in my opinion, I don`t

think these kids ever had a chance.

BANFIELD: Real quickly, Danny Cevallos and Areva Martin, I want you to come in and just give me one line on this. Right now, she`s facing two

counts of abandoning or endangering a child. They say that those charges could be upped. I`m curious about felony murder, Danny. Felony murder --

is that a stretch?

CEVALLOS: It depends on the applicable statute. So I mean, when you have a case of child neglect, if it`s a felony, it could be felony murder,

although defense attorneys like me would argue that that`s not an appropriate felony for felony murder.

But you know, these hot car deaths happen more often than people think. And the amazing thing is it`s about 50/50. Sometimes parents are not

prosecuted at all. Other times, they are prosecuted. And if you want to look for a theme as a general rule, they tend to prosecute the bigger

nudniks the parents are, the dumber things they`re doing, if they`re going into a casino...

BANFIELD: Well, partying for 15 hours sure isn`t going to work in forgetting that you know you`re exhausted from being up all night with your

baby. And it`s a different story when someone says to you, Hey, sweetheart, your babies are crying outside, and she allegedly says, yes,

they`ll cry themselves to sleep.

Areva, I`m going to get you on the other side. I`ve got another story I want to bring up because this could be breaking news. In fact, right now

in Pennsylvania, deliberations are under way finally in Bill Cosby`s trial for aggravated indecent assault. Jury got the case this afternoon after

the defense decided only to called one witness and Cosby himself decided not to testify.

He`s accused, you`ll probably remember, of drugging and assaulting a Temple University employee in 2004, Andrea Constand. She testified that she went

with Cosby to his home and that after he gave her some pills to take, she blacked out. When she awoke, she says Cosby was grabbing her breasts and

penetrating her with his hand.

Cosby is charged with three counts of felony aggravated indecent assault and if convicted, he faces up to 30 years in prison. His jurors are

deciding that as we speak and they`ve ordered dinner so they could do this tonight. We`re going to keep an eye on it.

Police officers on patrol see pretty much everything on any given day, but a naked man just walking down the highway isn`t normal for them and neither

is the way this traffic stop went down.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come here. Come here. Yo! Hey!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s the deal, man? Why are you naked? Were you in that accident up the road there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No? Hey, hey. Stop. Are you kidding me, dude? All right, go ahead and face me when I`m talking man. Let me explain to you why

you`re in cuffs. All right, you tried to open up the drivers` door of a police car. That`s not normal, OK? So, something is going on with you to

where you`re doing stuff that`s not normal because normal people in their normal mind are not going to go and open up the front driver`s door of a

police car and in addition to that, you are absolutely naked, my man. Another thing, not normal.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: It`s true, another thing not normal. But, the stop went real south from there because the officer asked if the suspect was under the

influence of anything once inside the cruiser, that guy just let loose.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stop! Go ahead and send another unit.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Yes, you need another unit when someone is behaving like that. Here is 18-year-old Andrew Humphries charged with several criminal mischief

charges after police say he caused some pretty extensive damage to that cruiser`s door while in custody and that`s not all. He also allegedly

urinated on another vehicle belonging to a sheriff`s deputy and ripped the door handle off and by the way, his answer to that question if he was on

the, you know, on any kind of narcotics or so, no. He said no. No.

A murder mystery in Ohio, three bodies but these were the three bodies found in their own home, mom, two daughters. Who would want these beautiful

women dead? And why in the way that they were killed?

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[20:35:00] BANFIELD: Inside a beautiful home in the town of North Royalton that`s just 25 miles South of Cleveland, Ohio police were investigating

what we can only describe as a true murder mystery. Take a look at this picture. This is Kylie and Taylor Pifer. They were home visiting their mom,

Suzanne Taylor after finishing up their semesters at college.

Taylor`s boyfriend came over to see her last night but he quickly realized that something wasn`t right. The cars were all there, but the dog did not

bark and no one answered the door. So, he decided to go inside and that`s where he found a body, a body in a bedroom. He didn`t call police right

away he called the mother`s boyfriend who in turn called 911.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They didn`t answer the door and -- I`m sorry? It`s locked and went in and he said the bedroom door is closed and he opened the

bedroom door and he says there`s a body in here and I said I`m calling 911.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So, the boyfriend called and said he went into the bedroom?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He called me earlier and said hey, something is wrong because all the cars are here and door is locked and I don`t hear the dog

and that stuff and yesterday I was there and I dropped off flowers and did same thing where I didn`t hear the dog barking and all the cars were there

and her friends` car was there and I left flowers.

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BANFIELD: When the officers arrived, they discovered all three of those women were dead.

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LT. DAVE LOADING, NORTH ROYALTON POLICE: Appears to be homicide. I do not know motive. Looks like a mother and two daughters, adults.

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BANFIELD: While the police have not released a motive in this crime, they do say they know this, it was not a murder suicide. Suzanne was stabbed at

least once before she died, but here is something extremely curious. Investigators have not given a cause of death for the daughters. Other than

to say, those daughters have no visible injuries. Their killings have obviously left friends and family shocked.

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SONIA PIFER, VICTIM`S STEPMOTHER: They were great kids. We haven`t heard from them in a year, so I really don`t know what of anything or what

happened or why. Oh, gosh, they were so good. They were great students. Kylie was involved in theater. She was going to school to be forensic

scientist. Taylor was in fashion design.

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BANFIELD: That was the victim`s, those two daughters, their stepmother. So, far police have released no information about suspects or even if they

know where to begin on this case. Melissa Neeley is an anchor and reporter for 700 WLW Radio she joins me live now from Cincinnati. It is a weird,

weird story. They always look to family members first and the father in this case, as you just heard, the stepmother say is estranged. Is he a

suspect at all?

MELISSA NEELEY, ANCHOR/REPORTER 700 WLW: Well, at this point, not as far as we know. However, that doesn`t rule him out because police have said

that they believe it could be someone close to the family because there was no forced entry.

[20:40:00] BANFIELD: No forced entry. They know for sure it`s not murder suicide. Are they hinting at all what might have killed those daughters

given they don`t see any visible injuries?

NEELEY: Not at this time. They do know that the mother, that Suzanne was stabbed at least one time, but as far as outward injuries, the girls had

none.

BANFIELD: Were they robbed? Was there anything disturbed in the house?

NEELEY: No, not at all. There was nothing missing. It didn`t seem, again, like it was forced entry or anything. In fact, what was a little bizarre

was when the boyfriend went into the house, he tried to open a bedroom door and there was a body in there and that`s how he found a body as he entered

the door. So, whatever happened happened obviously where one of them was in the bedroom.

BANFIELD: So, the police are saying that they believe whoever killed these women is probably related to them, curious statement, and they`re saying

they are confident this will be solved soon, that sort of KG speak for we know who we`re after here we`re just not telling you.

NEELEY: Yes, absolutely. Because again, Suzanne, the mother`s boyfriend had gone there the previous day and dropped off flowers and when, I

believe, it was Taylor`s boyfriend came to the home and tried to get in, the flowers were still there. So, that means that the women had been in the

house for, you know, at least a day or several hours...

BANFIELD: Is that a high crime neighborhood? It looks -- I mean, it`s hard to tell that the -- the house looks nice. It doesn`t look like...

NEELEY: No.

BANFIELD: ...it`s sort of a scary place?

NEELEY: Yes, no, not at all. Actually, it`s a low crime area. It`s very family friendly neighborhood, so this is...

BANFIELD: That`s weirder.

NEELEY: ...out of the ordinary...

BANFIELD: Yes.

NEELEY: ...it`s not usual to have a crime like this happen in this area.

BANFIELD: It gets weirder. I want to bring in Areva Martin and Danny Cevallos. Areva, where do you begin on a story like this? Like, maybe

the cops aren`t so used to this neighborhood. Where do they start?

AREVA MARTIN, VICTIM`S RIGHTS ATTORNEY: I think they`re starting with the relatives and I think the comments from the police officer suggests as you

said that they probably know more than they`re letting on and they`re being closed lipped. They`re not sharing a lot of information because this

investigation is ongoing and my guess is they don`t want to tip anyone off.

They don`t want to show their hand in any way that could cause someone perhaps to flee, destroy evidence or do anything that could undermine this

investigation, but from the language being used by the police more of what they`re not saying, I think it`s a good thing for this family and I think

hopefully we`re going to get to the bottom of this really horrific crime that has impacted this small community and this family.

BANFIELD: Strange -- a strange crime. A mom stabbed, no visible marks at all on the daughters, and KG police. So, we`ll continue to watch this.

Areva, Danny standby for a minute.

We`ve been following the Michelle Carter case, and it looks to be coming pretty close to a close at this point. That`s that young woman right there

who`s accused of texting and harassing her boyfriend to kill himself. Effectively, they`re saying she is actually responsible for it. Her lawyer

came back and used something else today, something called are you ready, involuntarily intoxication. Have you heard of it? You`re about to.

This Friday the HLN Original Series "Beyond Reasonable Doubt" takes an in depth looks at a cold case that was cracked by DNA found on the suspect`s

cigarette butt.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We want to be able to get as much evidence as possible before we make that initial contact with the suspect, so we know he`s a

smoker. We know that, you know, from a discarded cigarette, you can get valuable DNA from it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At the time in California you are allow to do this (ph), we put a tracker -- vehicle tracker on his car, so that we would be

able to follow him. Every time his car moved, we followed it. He, for like five straight days, went to work and straight home. I believe it was on a

Saturday, I was not at work. My team that was following him, he took off of work and as he`s driving to work, he throws a cigarette butt out the window

on the freeway. And the team shut down the entire freeway.

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BANFIELD: Oh, I can`t wait. That is awesome -- awesome policing, "Beyond Reasonable Doubt Left For Dead", it airs this Friday at 9:00 p.m.

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[20:45:00] BANFIELD: Psychiatrists testifying for the young woman charged with encouraging her boyfriend to kill himself says don`t blame her for her

actions, blame the drugs that she was taking. Prosecutors say Michelle Carter sent a barrage of texts and phone calls to Conrad Roy in the days

and hours leading up to his suicide.

Dr. Peter Breggin testified today that the antidepressants that Michelle was taking transformed her from a supportive helper to someone who was

apathetic but out of control.

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PETER BREGGIN, PSYCHIATRIST: She`s been confronted with somebody who she loves very, very much. She`s a helper. Her whole life is helping. She lives

to help people and make them happy. And, this boy that she loves, now says in the face of her grave distress, that he is going to kill himself. It`s

an intolerable position for her to be in. What does the person who helps everybody do?

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[20:50:00] BANFIELD: But the doctor wasn`t done. He told the court that Michelle became increasingly vulnerable once doctors messed with her meds.

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BREGGIN: Michelle says to him, why have you been ignoring me? No answer. Do you think we will get married? Conrad responds, are you OK? She says,

yeah, why?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For you, doctor, what`s the clinical importance of that?

BREGGIN: Michelle is a young woman in love with this man who is really with hundreds of texts and talking about killing himself continuously on

and off and she who wants to help him desperately and who is young and on Prozac said wants to marry him. This is very bad judgment obviously, she`s

very vulnerable to him.

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BANFIELD: Well, in addition to that so-called vulnerability, Dr. Breggin testified that going from one anti-depressant drug to another and all the

different doses all fed into Michelle encouraging Conrad, a boy she wants - - that she wanted to marry to follow-through with his plans to kill himself.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And interrupted your opinion as she became involuntarily intoxicated, are you able to pinpoint about when she became

involuntarily intoxicated?

BREGGIN: Yes, on July 2nd she begins to help him go to heaven...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And...

BREGGIN: ...in that period of time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And...

BREGGIN: Since she begins to give him advice, she begins to get irritable with him. He`ll go and he`ll try and he`ll complain that he couldn`t do it

again and she`ll encourage him, but she`ll even get mad at him so she`s very irritable with him.

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BANFIELD: HLN Senior Producer, Natisha Lance is at the courthouse in Taunton, Massachusetts, she was in the courtroom all day. Natisha,

involuntarily intoxication, is that garden variety affliction in the courtroom or is this something sort of really out of the box?

NATISHA LANCE, HLN SENIOR PRODUCER: You know, it`s something that I had never heard before, Ashleigh. I don`t know if you`ve ever heard it before

but it did seem as if the prosecutors were very surprised by this. They knew about this early on because they had motions about it before. But,

he`s saying that during this period around July 2nd and he later on went back and said it was around June 29th or between July 2nd that she started

this involuntary intoxication because of the medication that she had been on, she had switched medications to another one called Celexa, a couple

months before Conrad Roy`s death and it would show signs of irritability of her not knowing the consequences of her actions and also a lack of empathy.

You mentioned here that Michelle Carter has been characterized as a helper, but when this involuntary intoxication kicked in, all of those general

characteristics or basic characteristics that she had went out the window.

BANFIELD: It interesting. I want to play a video of Conrad Roy because we really don`t get to see the victim in this case very often and he recorded

himself on his computer. In this particular video, he sounds very sad, even though Michelle`s defense attorney said today, oh, no, no, no he wasn`t a

sad guy. He wasn`t sort of that indecisive guy. He was assertive and he was in control. You`d be the judge. Take a look at him.

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CONRAD ROY, MICHELLE CARTER BOYFRIEND: The hardest thing for me is to be comfortable on my own skin. Now, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know a

lot of people tell me -- a lot of people tell me that I have a lot going for me. I have to be happy. I have to be happy. Well no, you don`t have to

be happy. Your happiness comes from what your conscious goes -- happiness comes from your conscious thoughts.

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BANFIELD: Danny and Areva are back. Danny, the judge gets to see all of that. He`s the guy who`s going to decide this case as a bench trial. Does

she need to testify?

DANNY CEVALLOS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, I don`t think so and here is why. The judge bench trial is a good call in this case because there are

important issues of law in an emotional case that a jury might lose sight of. A judge is the perfect choice and a judge understands the burden. A

judge is going to hold hopefully in his mind not to hold it against the defendant for not testifying.

BANFIELD: Areva, 20 seconds, the judge is going to buy into this involuntarily intoxication business?

MARTIN: I don`t think the judge buys into this but this is a very complicated case and I`m not sure the statute in Massachusetts gives the

judge much leeway in terms of finding her guilty of the crime.

BANFIELD: Fascinating. I think we`re coming to a close. So, stay tuned everybody. Actually, literally, stay tuned. We`ll be right back.

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BANFIELD: Got an update for you on a story out of Houston that we brought you about a 94-year-old woman who was being abused by her care worker. Take

a look at the video.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want you to stop feeding that dog, they`re human food.

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BANFIELD: It upset us so much when we saw it, we followed this story. Brenda Floyd was on the run and was arrested. That`s the woman in blue and

now we know what she`s going to serve as a punishment for this, and it`s not much five years` probation. She can`t have contact with the victim. She

can`t work in any type of healthcare facility or setting and she`s been fined and ordered to serve community service. But that`s it, for all that

abuse.

Danny, Areva, thank you to both of you and thank you to our viewers for staying with us tonight. We`ll, see you tomorrow. Forensic Files starts

right now.

[21:00:00] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Up next, three college students are murdered. It looks as if one person had killed them all.

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