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WORLD RIGHT NOW WITH HALA GORANI
U.K. Media: Suspected Attacker Named As Daren Osborne; Attacker Deliberately Targeted Muslims After Prayers; Man Killed After Ramming Car Into Paris Police Van; Uncertainty Has Risen After PM May Lost Majority; Brexit Talks Expected To Take More Than 18 Months; British PM May Condemns "Sickening" Terror Attack; Brexit Negotiations Begin Amid U.K. Disarray; Anger Growing at Government Response to Fire; Witnesses Describe Horror Outside Mosque; Theresa May: "Sickening" Attack Targeted Muslims. Aired 3- 5p ET
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HALA GORANI, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome, everybody. I'm Hala Gorani. We are coming to you this hour from a North London neighborhood where this new
week began with a new incident of terror here in the British capital.
This time Muslim worshipers were struck by a van as they left Ramadan prayers. In the past hour, we've learned the identity of the man who
police suspect carried out the attack. U.K. media outlets report he's 47 years old and his name is Darren Osborne from Cardiff in Wales. He's being
held on suspicion of terror offenses.
You're seeing some of the amateur video of the scene yesterday where you see a fleeing image of the suspect there appear as he's being led away by
police. A chaotic scene there as officers took him into custody.
Fred Pleitgen joins me now live with more details on how it all unfolded. Once again, we see the flower tributes. Once again we see emotion. People
very upset that London has been targeted by terror, by violence, by tragedy.
FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: This time another community that's been hit by this terror. I think one of the
things we've seen throughout the day is on the one hand, there's a lot of frustration and even fear in the Muslim community.
They've been talking for such a long time about what they feel has been this build-up of what they say is Islamophobia in society. But on the
other hand, it's also really remarkable to see the amount of support they get from the community because it's such a diverse community, a big Jewish
A lot of folks came out to support their neighbors, but it was definitely an attack that really hit this community at its heart. Here's how it
PLEITGEN (voice-over): Just after midnight, as worshippers from one of London's mosques filled the street after prayers, a van mounted the
pavement driving through the crowds.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I saw that's horrendous. Something we should not see in the 21st Century. Something we should not see in the last ten days of
ABDIKADIR WARFA, EYEWITNESS: A van was coming -- driving very high speed and he drove into people. (Inaudible) a few meters.
PLEITGEN: One man died but it's unclear if this was as a result of the attack. When police arrived, the suspect, a 47-year-old man, had been
detained by shocked members of the Muslim community. In an extraordinary intervention, the local imam protected him until he was handed over to the
TOUFIK KACIMI, MUSLIM WELFARE HOUSE: He was shouting like, I did my bit and you deserve it and stuff like this, and thanks for our imam, Mohammad
Makmud (ph), who went quickly and grabbed the guy because the people there were trying to hit and kick the guy, but he saved him and kept him safe
until the police arrived.
PLEITGEN: Described by eyewitnesses as deliberate, police are treating this as a terror attack but caution that the investigation is still in its
NEIL BASU, METROPOLITAN POLICE DEPUTY ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER: It appears at this time that this attacker attacked alone. That is not to say that we
are not investigating the full circumstances of how he came to be where he was.
PLEITGEN: Prime Minister Theresa May described the act of violence as sickening.
THERESA MAY, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: This was an attack on Muslims near their place of worship and, like all terrorism, in whatever form, it shares
the same fundamental goal. It seeks to drive us apart and to break the precious bonds of solidarity and citizenship that we share in this country.
We will not let this happen.
PLEITGEN: London's mayor also condemning the incident.
SADIQ KHAN, LONDON MAYOR: This attack behind me, the attack in Manchester, the attack on London Bridge, the attack on Westminster Bridge, are all an
attack on our shared values of tolerance and freedom and respect, and we will not allow these terrorists to succeed.
PLEITGEN: For the third time in three months, authorities are investigating the deadly consequence of a vehicle being driven into people.
But local leaders here say that while extremists try to divide this community, they will stand united.
PLEITGEN: And the U.K. media is already giving some details on the alleged man behind all this saying that he has four children and also they had some
interviews with some of his neighbors saying they are absolutely shocked that something like this -- or that he could have done something like this.
It's really interesting. I think one of the things investigators will be looking at right now. So far they are saying they believe that he was
alone in that van but whether or not he had any logistical support.
GORANI: Right. And also does he have any affiliation to extremist groups? Where did he get this idea? Why did he act in this way? All right, Fred
Pleitgen, our senior international correspondent on this story. Thanks very much.
London's police commissioner sounded defiant and angry as well at times when she spoke after Monday's attack. She had this to say.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CRESSIDA DICK, METROPOLITAN POLICE COMMISSIONER: This is a highly integrated, truly diverse and multicultural place. The relationships
between the police and the community here are very important to us and are mostly very good indeed. I've just come from a meeting of people of 20
faiths all from the local communities who are saying, as I say, people who perpetrate attacks like this think they will break our society down and
cause division between us, and they won't do that, and they won't win. This is a very resilient city, and this is a very, very resilient set of
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Let's get some reaction from the very community that was the apparent target of this terrorist attack. I'm joined by Talha Ahmad from
the Muslim Council of Britain. Thanks for being with us. So when you heard this happened, what went through your mind?
TALHA AHMAD, MUSLIM COUNCIL OF BRITAIN: I was shocked and horrified. I prayed here a few days ago. I think three days ago. It could have been me
here. So the idea that somebody could target Muslims or anybody who is just leaving a place of worship is beyond me, really.
GORANI: Were you surprised?
AHMAD: Surprised in the manner of the attack, but I think Islamophobia has been on the rise in the U.K. for some time and there's been other
Islamophobic attacks. So I'm not surprised in the sense that there are individuals who targeted Muslims and went after them.
GORANI: Because Islamophobic incidents and attacks have gone up.
AHMAD: Yes, absolutely.
GORANI: Why do you think that is?
AHMAD: Well, I think there are a whole range of reasons. One of the reason is constant focusing on Muslims and linking them with terrorism,
even though vast majority of Muslims have absolutely nothing to do with it.
And also I think for a long time, I think a large section of the media and the political class tolerated ideas and views which ultimately presented
Muslims as a potential suspect community that has a lot to answer for other terrorist incidents that has happened.
GORANI: Right. The method used, the van that's reminiscent of methods used by Islamist extremists, do you think this is where this individual
would have gotten an idea and we've gone into a cycle kind of a vicious cycle of tit-for-tat attacks?
AHMAD: It's difficult to say exactly what the thought on where they got their ideas from. But the idea of being able to rent a van and drive on is
a very simple idea and very easy to stay out of the watches of security services because anybody can rent a van. I have rented a van. It's
probably the easiest way to inflict maximum harm.
GORANI: Now it took authorities, I mean, I know there was some frustration that it took them a bit too long but authorities did call this a suspected
terrorist attack pretty quickly. What did you make of that?
AHMAD: Our position is this. That we should not haste into a judgment. Every criminal conduct should be investigated in a fair and proper way. If
that means we need to wait to see exactly what it is, let's be it.
The only thing I would say, however is that there is a sense that when a Muslim may be involved in such an incident, almost there is almost a
competition to term is a terrorist incident.
So yes, I think it's right to be cautious and to watch and understand what's happening but I think we should follow the (inaudible).
GORANI: And I see flowers here. We saw, and you see there is a large media presence as well. What response have you gotten from your neighbors,
your community, non-Muslims to what happened?
AHMAD: Well, I think what really fills my heart with pride being a Londoner, at vast majority, the British people don't care what religion you
are. We get along well and we respect each other and we understand that we're a diverse society.
People who never have been to that mosque, didn't even though know that mosque exist. They took some flowers and put it there. So that is quite
heartening. And it gives us confidence that our country will not tolerate the kind of hate-filled messages that we've seen yesterday and over the
last three months.
GORANI: Do you think this has brought people in some way, I guess if there's a silver lining to the tragedy, that it's brought people closer
together do you think, neighbors and community members?
AHMAD: I think that but I think the biggest silver lining of that is that there's a recognition that Islamophobia is a major threat, and we need to
do something about it. The prime minister, I don't recall when she last went to a mosque, but it's good to see and reassuring to see that the prime
minister was quick and understood the gravity of the problem. She's striking the right cord this morning when she spoke.
GORANI: And lastly, how will -- this is -- I love this neighborhood. It's incredibly diverse as you mentioned. People from all parts of the world,
all faiths. There's a big Jewish community, big a Muslim community as well. How do you think this could change it though? How will people maybe
[15:10:03]AHMAD: There will be some nervousness. There will be some extra caution being exercised --
GORANI: I'm sorry. We're live on air. Thank you so much.
AHMAD: By and large, I think people will go on about their daily lives as normal. I think the biggest challenge would be that this mosque is
relatively large, relatively better but there are many hundreds of mosques.
We should be extremely concerned and I think for them the biggest challenge would be under this constant worry that their mosque would be targeted and
they may not have (inaudible) resources to deal with it.
GORANI: Talha Ahmad of the Muslim Council of Britain, appreciate your time. Thanks very much for joining us on this sad day for the neighborhood
here in Finsbury Park.
There was also an incident in Paris. Security forces there have been attacked for the fifth time in four months. A tourist shot this video
immediately after an armed man tried to ram his car into a police van on the Champs-Elysees. The attacker was killed.
It's not clear how, though. The interior minister says the car contained weapons and explosives. So it is really a miracle, I have to say,
considering how much ammunition was in that car, that no one was hurt apart from the suspected attacker.
Let's go straight to CNN Paris correspondent, Melissa Bell. What more can you tell us, Melissa?
MELISSA BELL, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Anti-terror investigation has been opened here in Paris, Hala, to try and work out precisely what
this man's intentions were. But as you said, that high -- large quantity of explosives, those weapons inside the car suggest that he was hoping to
do more damage than in the end he managed to cause.
In the event he was the only fatality. No one else was wounded, not even the police officers into whose truck he rammed. It was a police truck
making its way down the Champs-Elysees when he rammed into it.
You can see on the dramatic amateur images taken after that accident had taken place, after the car ramming took place, that orange smoke emerging
from the car. It is thought that that may have been some kind of ignition system that failed and to detonate the large quantity of explosives that
included a large gas canister.
Even now explosives experts are still picking over the debris of the car. They're down behind me. That's the car that was used by the assailant and
this is really something that we've seen with increasing frequency here in Paris.
So many attacks over the course of the last few months that have targeted specifically security forces and this once again appears to have been what
happened here in Paris today. Although, as I say, with a far lesser loss of life than was clearly intended.
GORANI: All right, Melissa Bell in Paris, thanks very much for that update.
A lot more to come this evening. A year after Britain's sensationally voted to leave the European Union, Brexit talks are finally getting under
way after a difficult few weeks for this country, not just what happened here in Finsbury Park but other incidents. We'll speak to a member of the
European parliament from Brussels.
Also coming up, the latest from Syria. We're tracking two major developments, an Iranian missile attack on ISIS and the U.S. shoots down a
Syrian war plane. We'll be right back.
GORANI: We continue broadcasting live from Finsbury Park here in London. Behind me, the scene of an attack on Muslim worshippers that authorities
are treating as a terrorist attack.
Now while Theresa May, the prime minister is in London focusing on a series of crises ranging from attacks like this one to the fire tragedy at
Grenfell Tower, her Brexit secretary has been dispatched to Brussels kicking off the country's most consequential set of negotiations in
This is day one. Day one of many days. Those divorce negotiations with the European Union are officially now under way. Let's go live to Downing
Street. CNN's Nic Robertson is there.
So there's no alliance with the smaller DUP party. No government. Theresa May is weakened after a general election that essentially amounted to a --
an epic own goal, and this government is starting Brexit negotiations. How do they intend on doing this in a confident way?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Well, Theresa May is putting the best foot forward, if you will, and David Davis, the Brexit
secretary, who was there in Brussels today, was articulating what we've heard him articulate all along that this will be good for everyone.
That we'll do it in a positive and constructive way. That the end goal will work out better for Britain and for the European Union. Sticking to
the same plan that Theresa May outlined back in January.
Of course, the European Union on their part articulating that there are hurdles to meet. First, the bill for backing out of Brexit, the stability
of the border with Northern Ireland as well as the right for E.U. citizens living in Britain.
These are some of the key things. But as you say, a huge number of pressure on Theresa May. So for her to get woken up in the middle of the
night to hear about the Finsbury Park attack, this was not the way she was anticipating beginning what, for her, was a very, very important day.
MAY: This morning, our country woke to news of another terrorist attack on the streets of our capital city.
ROBERTSON (voice-over): On this big Brexit day, a terror attack. More pressure piled on the PM from the get-go.
MAY: Today we come together as we have done before to condemn this act.
ROBERTSON: As the top negotiator kicked off long-awaited talks in Brussels to get Britain out of the E.U. --
DAVID DAVIS, BRITISH BREXIT SECRETARY: We will do all that we can to assure that we deliver a deal that works in the best interest of all
ROBERTSON: May was meeting those affected in an overnight attack on London's Finsbury Park mosque.
MAY: Today's attack falls at a difficult time in the life of this city following on from the attack on London Bridge two weeks ago and the
unimaginable tragedy of Grenfell Tower last week.
ROBERTSON: Pressures on the PM have been mounting up. Her rapid outreach today speedy in contrast to the tower fire tragedy for which she was
heavily criticized. Barely back from the mosque, May greeting the new Irish prime minister, Leo Veradka (ph). Later than anticipated and the
meeting shorter, about an hour. Veradka not happy with May's pick for power broker in parliament, Northern Ireland's DUP.
LEO VERADKA, IRISH PRIME MINISTER: On the issue of marriage equality, I had an opportunity to meet with the DUP last week in Dublin. At that
meeting, I expressed my very strong view that marriage equality should be permitted in Northern Ireland. As you can appreciate Arlene Foster and the
DUP have a different view on this matter.
ROBERTSON: Pressure on May, too, on Brexit. How it could affect Ireland's $1.3 billion a week business with the U.K.?
MAY: We want that comprehensive free trade agreement which enables us to have a seamless and frictionless border as possible to continue the trade
that's been so beneficial to us in the past.
ROBERTSON: May's hands have rarely been this full. Some in her party still clamoring for her to step down. On this day, a principal rival for
leadership in Europe backing her on Brexit.
BORIS JOHNSON, BRITISH FOREIGN SECRETARY: In the long run, this will be good for the U.K. and good for Europe.
ROBERTSON: Between now and that day, plenty of pressure on whoever is prime minister.
ROBERTSON: So of course, today is just the beginning. Theresa May will be in Brussels later this week.
[15:20:02]She'll meet with European leaders and she has said that she will outline rights for what Britain's position will on rights for E.U. citizens
living in Britain. What they hope that British citizens living in the E.U. will get. This is part of an opening gambit of these very, very long talks
and tough negotiations -- Hala.
GORANI: All right, Nic Robertson at 10 Downing Street. Thanks very much.
Let's get more on the first day of these talks. Claude (inaudible) is a member of the European Parliament for the Labour Party. He joins me now
from Brussels. Thanks for being with us.
You chair the parliament committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs and you're also a member of the Brexit Steering Committee. How did
this first day go? David Davis, the Brexit secretary for the U.K., said it was, quote, "promising."
All right. I understand our guest -- Mr. Claude (inaudible), can you hear me? All right. We seem to be having audio problems. What you are seeing
are images of the E.U. negotiator for Brexit.
Also the Brexit secretary there, the representative for the U.K., David Davis. Today was day one in Brussels, Belgium, of these Brexit talks. Of
course, day one of many, many days, possibly many years, if these talks take more than the two years that the parties hope that it will take.
We'll get back to our guest Claude (inaudible) in a little bit once we re- establish a connection.
Now let's get back to what's happening here behind me. The British Prime Minister Theresa May called it a sickening terror attack on Muslims. Let's
update you now on what we know. Police say the suspect is 47 years old. Not previously known to security services.
They say he rammed a van into a crowd of worshippers leaving Ramadan prayers just after midnight. One man is dead, although authorities don't
know if that was a direct result of the attack. He collapsed apparently before. Nine people were taken to hospitals. Three people very seriously
Now the Finsbury Park mosque and surrounding area have been through hard times before. Our Clarissa Ward has that story.
CLARISSA WARD, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Finsbury Park sits in one of the most diverse regions of London. Home to
historic Irish and Afro-Caribbean communities and large Muslim and Jewish populations. That's one of the reasons this attack feels so raw to the
local people and MET Police Commissioner Cressida Dick paid tribute to that community cohesion.
DICK: This is a highly integrated, truly diverse and multicultural place. The people who perpetrate attacks like this think they will break our
society down and cause division between us and they won't do that, and they won't win. This is a very resilient city, and this is a very, very
resilient set of communities.
WARD: The Finsbury Park mosque is at the heart of this community. The imam, Mohammed Mahmud, has been praised for helping to apprehend the
attacker and keep him safe from an angry public until the police came.
MOHAMMED MAHMOUD, IMAM: A policeman drove past by coincidence. We flagged them down and told them the situation. There's a man. He's retrained. He
mowed down a group of people with his van, and there's a mob attempting to hurt him if you don't take him. God forbid, he might be seriously hurt.
So we pushed people away from him until he was safely taken by police into custody and put into the back of the van.
WARD: In 2014, the mosque became only the third place of worship to be awarded a visible quality mark by the charity commission awarded only to
faith organizations that are inclusive and welcoming. An achievement all the more remarkable considering how notorious the mosque was in the
It was closed in 2003 after concerns it was a hotbed of extremism. The imam was the notorious Abu Hamza who was convicted of 11 terrorism charges
in the United States. Richard Reid, who attempted to blow up an American airlines flight in 2002 with a shoe bomb, worshipped there.
But the Finsbury Park community has roots that run deep, and its resilience through the decades is testament to its strength.
GORANI: All right. I'm joined by Councilor Richard Watts, leader of the Islington Council here, who was one of the first officials on the scene.
Talk to us about when you heard that this attack had taken place and what you saw when you got here.
RICHARD WATTS, LEADER OF ISLINGTON COUNCIL: I got here about 2:00 a.m. I was called about 1:30. Probably about an hour and a bit after the attack
took place. When I arrived here the area was starting to be cordoned off.
[15:25:01]It is very much an emergency scene. It was still pretty unclear what had happened, although we were starting to get more from the community
at that point telling us about the attack and a bit about what happened to apprehend the attacker.
GORANI: So you very soon realized this was deliberate and this van targeted Muslims exiting the community center?
WATTS: I think it became pretty apparent quite quickly that this couldn't have been an accident. Clearly there's a criminal process. We can't jump
to conclusions and prejudice any fire, however, I think the view of the community was certain that this wasn't a random act.
GORANI: How has -- I mean, it's heartwarming to see the response neighbors, community members as well, flowers and signs and cards and
things like that. I think there's a bit of fatigue when it comes to that where people just want these attacks to end. Whether this was isolated,
whether it was a, quote, "sick revenge attack," whatever it was, how do you address this problem now?
WATTS: Well, there's a real risk, obviously, of more and more copycat attacks. However, I think we need to do two things. We need to make sure
we have enough police on the streets to keep the community safe. Really welcome city.
The mayor of London's commitment to put extra police on the streets over the next few days and weeks. We must have the government now stop its cuts
on London's police service to make sure our community stays safe.
But also really protects us will be the community spirit that we carry through events like this. If the hate mongers don't break our communities
apart, we'll be stronger coming out of these attacks.
GORANI: But how will police prevent a lone, crazed man from driving a van into a crowd.
WATTS: Because they have a very good track record of doing it. Police stop many more attacks than actually happen. Until a few months ago, it
was a long time since we had a major terror attack. It's tragic and appalling we've had a few now this year.
It's a very hard year for our city, but the police doing an incredible job in trying to keep us safe. What we need is more police on the street
picking up the intelligence, understanding what's going on. It's the way - -
GORANI: But this man came from Cardiff. He lives in Wales.
WATTS: Well, across the country. The way you pick up the lone, you know, the lone attacker like this is actually people in the community passing
back information. We need that. We can't lose it through more police cuts.
GORANI: I spoke to one of the top officials at the Muslim Council of Britain. He said he wasn't surprised because he feels like there's
Islamophobia has been on the rise. If you look at the facts, Islamophobic attacks and incidents have gone up. Why do you think that is?
WATTS: Well, we've seen a spike in anti-Muslim crime after the London Bridge attacks. But I think that there's an atmosphere where people in the
media, some international figures fear it's all right to demonize Muslims and I think that's incredibly dangerous.
GORANI: Who are you referring to?
WATTS: I'm referring to President Trump.
GORANI: Right. And you think that this type rhetoric coming from leaders is what's may be fueling some of the hatred?
WATTS: Absolutely. Not all people can pick up on that and it can fuel the kind of hate crime that we've seen here today.
GORANI: All right, so one last question. Is this going to change this part of London do you think? Because this part of London is incredibly
interesting. It's colorful, diverse. It's got lots of charm. Its own type of charm. Will it change things do you think?
WATTS: I don't think it will. This community has been through an awful lot. We've always stayed strong and resilient. One of the fantastic
things about Finsbury Park, the reason I've chosen to live here for the last almost 20 years is its diversity, vibrancy, and the edge that you get
from that. It's not going to change that. This community is going to come out of this stronger.
GORANI: All right, thank you so much, Richard Watts, the leader of Islington Council. Thank you for joining us on CNN. We appreciate it.
This is not the only challenging issue facing the British government right now. Far from it we've seen it's been a rough couple of weeks. Let's just
say it plainly, it comes just days after the tragic apartment block fire.
The U.K. falls silent to remember the victims as the death toll climbs. Many minutes of silence after many tragedies in this country. We'll have a
lot more after a break. Stay with us.
[15:31:43] GORANI: Welcome back. It's fair to say that British Prime Minister Theresa May has a lot on her plate.
Obviously, the slew of terror attacks we've seen over the last several weeks. You've seen them covered here on CNN, especially the one we're
covering here today as it is the freshest. The unimaginable horror of the Grenfell Tower fire as well, and all that political uncertainty after a
poor general election result for Mrs. May.
Amid all of that, the beginning of Brexit negotiations. It is day one. The results of which will fundamentally define this country and the
European Union's futures. Let's get more on the first day of these talks.
Claude Moraes is a member of the European Parliament for the Labour Party. He joins me now from Brussels.
Mr. Moraes, you were also a member of the Brexit Steering Committee of the E.U. Parliament. You've spoken to Michel Barnier, the E.U. negotiator.
Now, David Davis, the Brexit Secretary for the U.K., has called today a, quote, "promising start." Do you agree with him?
CLAUDE MORAES, MEMBER OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT: Well, he will give his interpretation, and we all hope that the U.K. and the E.U. have a good
deal. That Britain gets a good deal because that's for the future of the U.K. and the European Union. And it's important that we get that.
But this politeness, Hala, today, on the surface, but beneath that politeness, we have to look for clues as to what really happened. And I
think what happened today was that the U.K. accepted that the so-called sequencing, the timetable that the E.U. has set out, is the timetable they
Now, there was a lot of talk from the United Kingdom and from David Davis that there would be a big battle over this. That we would have a situation
where we'll have parallel talks --
GORANI: So you think, Claude Moraes, they're already caving?
MORAES: -- on trade --
GORANI: Do you think they're already caving?
MORAES: -- on trade with -- sorry, yes. That we would have parallel talks on trade with the divorce settlement. That's not going to happen. What I
think is happening is that there are many problems, as you've been describing in your program all evening, many political problems in the U.K.
And I just don't think they're in a situation where they're going to make those kinds of demands. And I think the sequencing is as the E.U. has set
GORANI: Right. But you're saying they've already backtracked on a key demand?
MORAES: -- and then that's simply would be the timetable that E.U. follows.
GORANI: So do you think the British government is caving to the demands of the E.U. already? It's day one.
MORAES: Well, you can frame it the way you want to. What I'm saying is that not much happened today, but what did happen, what was significant,
was that the U.K. has accepted the timetable that the E.U. has set out.
The sequencing is going to be the divorce followed by 2018 and 2019 which will be, you know, central issues. That's the trade deal and security and
all the rest of it. But the divorce deal comes first. And until that is finished, we won't have everything else.
And I think that's extremely important because there was lots of talk about other things being discussed. So that's the first issue. We won't find
out today itself how these things will pan out in the future.
But at least, that's the underlying, I think, framing of today. And I think that's you'll find in the --
MORAES: -- in the big press because it seems to be --
GORANI: But can I ask you about the --
[15:34:57] GORANI: -- about the government of Theresa May? I mean, there's no alliance with the DUP. Technically, there is no government.
There are some commentators who've said she is too weak to negotiate in the name of the United Kingdom because any deal she makes might not even pass
I mean, do you think Theresa May and her government is the one to do this negotiating to begin with?
MORAES: Well, she has weakened herself. She was the one that wanted the bigger mandate. She is the one that called the general election as a
Brexit election. She is the one that has lost her majority in that so- called Brexit election.
And I think the Labour Party now, the opposition, has to make a more proactive stance. Keir Starmer is talking about a different kind of
Brexit, access to the single market and so on. So I think that will now happen.
And I think what also will happen is that there will be a weaker British stance because it is inevitable when you have a government that said that
they would have a stronger stance with a bigger majority. The opposite of that, of course, is, as they are weakened, they're going to have a weaker
stance. They are the ones --
GORANI: I've got to ask you --
MORAES: -- who have created the situation and she is --
GORANI: Sorry to jump in. I've just got to ask you one question about the timeline. Do you think it is feasible for all of this to be done in less
than two years? And if so, why?
MORAES: No, it's not feasible. It's not feasible.
MORAES: So what is going to happen is that this divorce settlement, which is Northern Ireland, the U.K. contribution, and citizens' rights, probably
the most important thing this year.
E.U. citizens' rights will go first. That's the divorce. Then we'll have really important things like security and the other issues coming
afterwards. Then the trade negotiations.
But I think we'll have to have a transition period because these critical jobs issues of the single market and trade will need a transition period.
There just will not be enough time to secure that vital economic interest, both of the U.K. and the E.U.
GORANI: Claude Moraes, thanks very much. We really appreciate your time. A member of the Brexit Steering Committee and a British member of the
European Parliament. Thank you so much.
Let's get more now with Carole Walker. She's joining me live here at Finsbury Park. She's a political analyst.
First, obviously, let's talk a little bit about the response here. Talk to us, to our international viewers, about the British response to what's been
really a relentless every few days, every few days, a crisis.
CAROLE WALKER, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, I think that many people in this part of London and in other parts of the U.K. have really been taken
aback by this whole series of terrorist attacks. The attacks which happened during the election campaign, so many people's lives touched by
And it was interesting to hear the Prime Minister today saying very quickly that she felt that the attack here was as destructive of the British way of
life and the British values as those other attacks that were carried out by Muslim extremists.
Interesting as well to see her so quick to come down here to talk to religious leaders, to talk to those who --
GORANI: Ah! But could it be because when she didn't do the same thing after the tower fire, she was criticized? And, in fact, got some of the
worst headlines splashed across the British newspapers that she has had in her premiership.
WALKER: Absolutely. The fact that, immediately after the fire, she went and spoke to some of the emergency services privately but didn't meet those
who were directly affected prompted real anger amongst the community there and that rash of bad headlines.
And part of the problem with this is that Theresa May, when she became Prime Minister, she talked about how she wanted to tackle the injustices in
society, how she wanted to deal with the concerns of those people who felt that they'd been left behind by globalization.
She then called this general election campaign during which she appeared to go out of her way to avoid meeting such people, to avoid having normal
human contact with people, and got this nickname of being a Maybot because she simply didn't get down, meet the people, talk to them in human terms.
And then her reaction to that fire really, I think, to many of her critics, epitomized all the problems that she's had since she became Prime Minister.
GORANI: Yes. But even some conservatives are saying, can she last? Are asking, can she last? Can she?
WALKER: I think the only reason that she is lasting at the moment is because none of those who would succeed her want to move against her now or
even want to take the job right now.
I think the difficulty for the Conservative Party would be, is, if she could be persuaded to stand aside -- and, let's face it, she must be having
one hell of a time now, she have so many problems piling up on her plate -- the person who succeeded her would then be in power without having faced a
[15:40:02] Without having his or her own mandate, there would then be huge pressure from the opposition to say, come on, we've got to have a general
election if you think you're going to run this country for the next three years.
GORANI: Because that's what this country needs, another election.
WALKER: And if there was another election, those Conservatives fear that that would lead to the opposition leader, Jeremy Corbyn, winning, who
appears to have really captured a public mood at the moment.
GORANI: Exactly. And, Carole, I was going to bring that up. Jeremy Corbyn ran a great campaign. Obviously, he doesn't have a parliamentary
majority but really performed much better than expectations. And he visited the victims and residents of Grenfell Tower.
He also came here. This is his part of the city. People know him here. And he's getting a lot of praise for what he's doing, his response to these
WALKER: He has defied all expectations. It's extraordinary to think that, last summer, a majority of his MPs voted in a vote of no confidence against
Jeremy Corbyn as leader. Even that failed to unseat him.
And he then fought this general election campaign on an unashamedly left- wing socialist agenda, promising higher taxes, promising to renationalize industries, but a campaign which appeared to connect with ordinary people -
- ordinary people -- who felt that the Conservative Party was simply out of touch with their concerns. He had a positive offer.
WALKER: The Conservatives could turn around and say, well, your sums don't add up, but he was offering free university tuition. He was offering an
end to austerity. That was an appealing message, and he now is riding this tide of popularity, which few people would have expected, certainly at the
beginning of this campaign, when Theresa May was expecting to come back with a big new majority.
GORANI: We all thought it was a foregone conclusion. She was so high in the polls. And then, of course, yet again, another upset. Carole, thanks
very much. We'll see you a little bit later this evening.
Not far from where I am here in Finsbury Park, another tragedy facing London is becoming even more difficult to bear because the death toll has
climbed once again. Police say at least 79 people are now presumed dead in the Grenfell Tower blaze.
But in a show of resilience -- that is becoming all too familiar in London -- the U.K. held a moment of silence for the victims early Monday. But
tellingly, that moment of silence happened on the day that we were all digesting that van attack behind me.
Samuel Burke joins me now from near Grenfell Tower. And those pictures that you see of the missing are really heartbreaking, Samuel.
SAMUEL BURKE, CNNMONEY BUSINESS AND TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: Well, Hala, the fire is out here, but in a way, it feels like things are actually
Every time the authorities announce a new death toll, more people lose hope here that they won't find their missing aunts, the missing cousin, the
missing niece. And, in fact, there is this growing sense of anger, actually.
We were at a rally which turned into more of a demonstration just a short time ago, and you could really feel that frustration. It was palpable
here. So the community around Grenfell Tower is feeling a sea of emotions today.
BURKE (voice-over): A moment of silence across the U.K. to honor the dozens and dozens of people who lost their lives at Grenfell Towers. At
the scene of the inferno, the firefighting teams descended from the charred building and stood at order.
Day by day, the death toll increasing, difficult even for officials to announce to the public.
STUART CUNDY, COMMANDER, METROPOLITAN POLICE SERVICE: I'm afraid to say there are now 79 people that we believe are either dead or missing, and I
had sadly have to presume are dead.
BURKE (voice-over): Complicating the task of accounting for the dead is the fear entire families may have burned alive together, so there's no
immediate family member to even report a loved one missing.
And because so many immigrants lived here, dental records must be sent from all around the world. Some family and friends have only just now mustered
up the courage to come to the horrific scene to see it for themselves.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And he was our colleague. He was our friend. He was a nice guy.
BURKE (voice-over): And there's increased speculation about the role new siding on the 24-story tower may have played in the fire, even from the
highest ranks of the U.K. government.
PHILIP HAMMOND, CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER, UNITED KINGDOM: My understanding is that the cladding in question, this flammable cladding --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
HAMMOND: -- which is banned in Europe and the U.S. is also banned here.
BURKE (voice-over): With one member of the opposition party labelling it corporate manslaughter, the U.K. government has launched a public inquiry.
CUNDY: I would do everything within my gift to ensure that those responsible are brought to justice.
BURKE (voice-over): Even for the people in the area who didn't lose loved ones, the trauma continues.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm seeing body bags coming out of the tower. There's been tents erected outside my flat. And it's just a living nightmare.
[15:45:06] BURKE (voice-over): And worst may be yet to come in accounting for the lost. Officials fearing the death toll could easily pass 100, a
number hard to grasp until you see it personalized in images of those who've been confirmed dead, like 65-year-old Anthony Disson, and look at
the faces on the missing posters plastered on every inch of space around the towers.
BURKE: Hala, one of the reasons this sadness is turning into frustration and anger is there is so little presence from the government beside the
police and beside the firemen and women who were honored with that moment of silence, people yelling out, "Heroes."
Besides that, even though we heard from the Prime Minister's office that, apparently, officials had been sent down here, that was not felt by our
teams and certainly not seen by the community members here at Grenfell Towers -- Hala.
GORANI: All right. Samuel Burke, thanks very much.
So there's some activity behind me here at Finsbury Park. And I want to tell our viewers what I'm able to see from our vantage point. If you don't
We have some of the photographers here, right below me actually, trying to snap some pictures. We have also a row of people there standing in line,
waiting to drop off flowers. They're honoring the victims. Those people are at least getting a little bit cozy here with the photographers.
I also saw, from the corner of my -- Cressida Dick, who is the chief of the London Metropolitan Police.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get away from the public place (inaudible).
GORANI: OK. We --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wait, wait, wait. We got to do our job as well.
GORANI: All right. So --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right, please.
GORANI: We're getting -- well, you can still see. You're cutting me, Louis (ph). Give me a second here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
GORANI: So we're seeing all the photographers lined up here. And behind me, you see individuals there waiting to drop their flowers off. And you
see also signs on the wall. "United against all terror," "One love," "True love," those types of signs on the wall here.
We're not far from the Finsbury Park tube station. And this, behind this police vans, is the area where the van attack actually took place.
All right. There you have it. That's the scene right now here at Finsbury Park.
We're waiting for this moment, this emotional moment, to unfold live from London. We'll be back with a lot more. Do stay with us. You're watching
GORANI: Welcome back, everybody. As I was mentioning before the break here, there is a very emotional moment unfolding behind me. There's a row
of young people holding flowers there.
They are one by one walking up to this makeshift memorial, very close to where the attack unfolded here at Finsbury Park. And this is really
honoring the people who are injured. A man died as well after this attack took place. He was reported as the individual that was killed.
[15:49:58] We're seeing as well police, some of the photographers behind me. It gets a little bit busy, a little bit crowded here, but we're all
sharing limited space. They're photographing and filming these people.
Let me ask. Can I ask you, what is happening here? Who are they here?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mean, I have nothing sure but I think there's going to be a speech.
GORANI: A speech by?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not officially (inaudible).
GORANI: The Commissioner? Do you think she'll address reporters? You're not sure?
All right. I spoke to a police officer here who's not exactly sure what's going on. But I did see the Commissioner of the London Metropolitan
Police, Cressida Dick, a minute ago. And so she could, in fact, address reporters. She could make a statement. If she does that, of course, we'll
bring you the very latest.
So Theresa May visited this site. The Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, as well visited this site, which is in his own constituency.
He said that an attack on a place of worship is an attack on all of us. Listen to what Jeremy Corbyn said earlier.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JEREMY CORBYN, LEADER OF THE LABOUR PARTY, UNITED KINGDOM: We obviously need efficient and effective policing. We obviously need also an attitude
in our society of support for each other.
The only way to deal with this kind of issue is communities coming together. And this is a very multifaith community. Christians, Jewish,
Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist -- they all live around here. And this is a microcosm of a community working together.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Got it. OK. Thank you very much.
I was just asking one of the young ladies here holding flowers. One by one, they're dropping them off there. You're seeing that the number of
flowers is multiplying against this wall, which is under an overpass and just meters, yards, away from where the attack took place.
As I mentioned, the chief of the London Metropolitan Police is here as well. But people you see, really, it's a diverse neighborhood. It's
reflected in the crowd of people behind me.
You see people of all faiths. You see people, as well, from all parts of the world. London is an incredibly international city, and it's reflected
very much in a neighborhood like Finsbury Park.
We are going to take a quick break. We'll continue our breaking news coverage of the van attack here in this part of London. It's been a tough
week, a tough few weeks for the U.K. We'll have a lot more after this.
GORANI: Many people who witnessed the attack here in Finsbury Park had just been taking part in evening prayers, a time of peace and reflection.
It is Ramadan. It turned, obviously, to horror and grief. And they have described the shocking moment the van mounted the curb and drove directly
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He drove on the pavement, coming straight towards all the Muslims. And as he's coming to them, he hit all of them.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People finished praying. They were walking home. Somebody got [00:03:50]. The community tried to help the guy. And all of
a sudden, a white van drove at very high speed into the crowd, and he did it deliberately.
We know it is a criminal. It is a terrorist act. And when he finished what he did, he said, I did what I had to do. Something similar to that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We managed to get him out of the car, but he was -- weren't on the head. He was really shouting an aggressive bad word,
something like that. So we didn't talk to him, but he was just spitting on us.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was trying to stop him. Some people, they were hitting him. But I said don't hit him, just stop him, keep until the
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of them, he was under the van. People had gathered around the van to actually lift the van off to get this guy from under the
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mean, people, in the mosque, praying. It's Ramadan. We don't need this. And I don't know why they're doing this.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're looking for peace. We're looking for unity. We don't want people to divide us. This is our message to everybody.
GORANI: There you have it, some of the witnesses.
[15:54:55] Britain has had a difficult few weeks -- the Manchester bombing, the London Bridge attack, an election that has thrown the government of
Theresa May off course and created more uncertainty over Brexit. And now this, a deliberate terrorist attack on Muslim worshippers in one of the
most diverse areas of London.
There are reports that ISIS is already trying to use this assault on innocent civilians to attract recruits. For terror groups like that, this
is all about a civilizational war.
But guess who else is pointing to this attack and celebrating? Far-right extremists who've been discussing the attack online, according to the SITE
Intel Group that tracts these posts on the internet. For them, some of them, this is the beginning of a race war.
These two polar extremes seem to agree on one totally twisted idea, that this savage act can and should be used to incite more violence. They're
obviously horribly wrong.
Leaders here in the U.K. were pretty quick to condemn the Finsbury attack and call it a potential act of terror. The Muslim community here and in
other places often says that when it is the target of Islamophobic violence, authorities do often avoid calling it what they believe it is, an
act of terror on par with Muslim extremist violence.
That did not happen this time, a move that might just help the community here to heal and move forward, and all who believe in reason and humanity
to move perhaps toward unity. Let's hope so.
As the scene unfolds behind me, young people there holding flowers, waiting to pay tribute to those who were injured and hurt in the attack yesterday,
we'll have more special extended version of the program in just a moment after a quick break.
I'm Hala Gorani. Stay with CNN.
[16:00:00] GORANI: Good evening, everybody. I am Hala Gorani. We're broadcasting live from Finsbury Park in North London. A major terrorism
investigation is underway after a man drove a van into worshippers near a mosque early Monday morning.
British Prime Minister, Theresa May has condemned the attack as, quote, every bit as sickening, she said, as the Manchester and London bridge
Here's what we know this hour. The driver has been named as Darren Osborne according to U.K. media. He is 47. He is in custody. He was arrested on
terrorism offenses and suspicion of attempted murder. There is amateur video of him after the attack obtained by CNN.
Police say the van used in the attack had been rented in Wales. Searches are being carried out at a residential address in the Cardiff area there.
One man died at the scene and nine people are in the hospital. All casualties, we're being told, were Muslin. Fred Pleitgen joins me now. He
has more on how the attack unfolded. You were reporting all day gathering information and witness testimony about what happened yesterday. Tell us
PLEITGEN: Yes, and it appears that it happened shortly after midnight, at around 12:20. And what many people said is that the van was going very,
very fast. Some were saying around 50 miles an hour, but of course we don't know how fast it was really going. But apparently went onto the
pavement and then just ran into the crowd.
And I think one of the interesting things that happened is that, after the van stopped, obviously people dragged the driver from the van. Then it was
a local Imam that actually told people, don't touch him. Leave him alone until the authorities got here. Here is how this day unfolded.
PLEITGEN (voice-over): Just after midnight as worshippers from one of London's mosques filled the street after prayers, a van mounted the
pavement, driving through the crowds.
MOHAMMED ABDUL, EYEWITNESS: I saw something that was horrendous. Something we should not see in the 21st century. Something we should not
see in the last 10 days of Ramadan.
ABDIKADIR WARFA, WITNESS: A van was coming, driving very -- bit high speed. And he just drove at the people. Some of them he took a few
PLEITGEN: One man died. But it's unclear if this was as a result of the attack. The police arrived. The suspect, a 47-year-old man, had been
detained by shocked members of the Muslin community. In an extraordinary intervention, the local imam protected him until he was handed over to the
TOUFIK KACIMI, MUSLIM WELFARE HOUSE: He was shouting, I did my bit. And you deserve it, stuff like this. And thanks for our imam, Mohammed Mahmud,
who went quickly and grabbed the guy, because they -- the people there was trying to hit and kick the guy. But he saved him. And kept him safe until
the police arrived.
PLEITGEN: Described by eyewitnesses as deliberate, police are treating this as a terror attack but caution that the investigation is still in its
NEIL BASU, METROPOLITAN POLICE DEPUTY ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER: It appears at this time that this attacker attacked alone. That is not to say that we
are not investigating the full circumstances of how he came to be where he was.
PLEITGEN: Prime Minister Theresa May described the act of violence as sickening.
THERESA MAY, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: This was an attack on Muslins near their place of worship. And, like all terrorism, in whatever form, it
shares the same fundamental goal. It seeks to drive us apart and to break the precious bonds of solidarity and citizenship that we share in this
country. We will not let this happen.
PLEITGEN: London's mayor also condemning the incident.
SADIQ KHAN, LONDON MAYOR: This attack behind me on seven sisters, the attack in Manchester, the attack on London bridge, the attack on London
Bridge, the attack on Westminster Bridge, are all an attack on our shared values. Our shared values of tolerance and freedom and respect. And we
will not allow these terrorists to succeed.
PLEITGEN: For the third time in three months authorities, authorities here are investigating the deadly consequences of a vehicle being driven into
people. But local leaders here say that, while extremists try to divide this community, they will stand united.
PLEITGEN: Really a disastrous night it was. We're learning more also about the suspect. Apparently, he has four children and the neighbors that
British media spoke to said that they're, obviously, absolutely shocked by what happened. But I think what the investigators will look at now is
whether he really did and planned this on his own or whether or not there might be some sort of wider network behind him that may have helped in
logistics or something.
GORANI: Right, we'll see that. I'm sure we'll learn more. By the way, just reminding our viewers around the world, in Britain once a suspect is
charged there is very little you can say about him.
PLEITGEN: Yes. There is very little. Because people think it might impede the trial, or have negative influence on the trial.
GORANI: People have said, why don't you say more about the person. There is a reason.
PLEITGEN: Exactly, there's a reason. Once he's charge there's a reason why you can't do that anymore. We want to be very careful, obviously, with
what we report. We're getting some information but is really isn't very much at this point in time. The main thing is going to be, is this someone
who acted on his own or is there a wider network behind it and, if so, who could it be.
GORANI: Thank you very much, Fred Pleitgen, for that.
[16:05:00] I have more information on what's going on behind me. It's is very moving, actually. In the aftermath of the London Bridge attack some
Muslin organizations on Facebook and online on social media decided to go to the London Bridge and hand out roses and hand out flowers to people
around there to show that they were sorry and share their essentially present their condolences to the people who had gone through a terrible
time. And now what we are seeing here is essentially a reciprocation of that. You have people handing roses to worshippers who are headed toward
the mosque and the community center there.
It's almost time to break the fast here for Muslins who are observing Ramadan. So, they would be essentially at a very important time of the
day. If you are observing Ramadan, it would be the time to break fast. You have well-wishers and people who would like to show sympathy with the
victims, who are handing out roses. I understand from one of our producers that this was a pretty spontaneous event that was organized on Facebook and
is unfolding behind us. Not far from where there is a makeshift memorial as well under this overpass in Finsbury Park.
Now, British Prime Minister, Theresa May, has promised extra police resources to protect mosques. London's police chief said, everything is
being done to keep the Muslin community safe.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CRESSIDA DICK, METROPOLITAN POLICE COMMISSIONER: This was, quite clearly, an attack on Muslins who looked like they were probably Muslins and they
were coming from a prayer meeting. We treat this as a terrorist attack, and we, in the met, are as shocked as anybody in this local community or
across the country at what has happened. We take all forms of hate crime and violence, extremism, incredibly seriously. And wherever we possibly
can we will seek to prevent attacks. And if we cannot prevent an attack then we will seek, obviously, to bring people to justice. This is a highly
integrated, truly diverse and multi-cultural place.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: I lost our feed. Guys, guys. OK. We're having a few technical problems. I do not hear our air in return. We're on. Yes.
Joining me now is Iman Abdul Quddus Arif, of the Ahmadiyya Muslin community. Thank you for being with us. You heard about this attack. It
appeared to be at the time a few hours ago when we first heard of it, a deliberate attack on Muslin worshippers. What went through your mind?
IMAN ABDUL QUDDUS ARIF, AHMADIYYA MUSLIN COMMUNITY: I was thinking as all Londoners were thinking, not again. Not in our great city once again. The
last few months and weeks have been really, really difficult in London, not just because of the attacks, but the Grenfell Tower incident as well. So,
it was a very tough time. And I was just shocked. We were waking up for our, you know, keeping our fast in the morning, a sacred time. And my wife
spoke it to me. I was dumbfounded and turned on the news straight away. And of course, my heart --
GORANI: Are you surprised?
ARIF: I was surprised, yes, I was surprised, of course. These attacks, no matter how many times they do happen, they always really shake you to the
core. Yet again, it was an attack on humanity. Because no matter if they're Muslins falling or people of other religions falling. It's a huge
GORANI: But why do you think so much is it happening now?
ARIF: That's a very good question. I think people extremism on the whole is on the rise and I think people are less tolerant to each other's
thinking and thoughts and ideologies. This was a shift towards right in all forms. I think that's the reason. I can't pinpoint one exact reason.
But I think it's the reason.
GORANI: The police have all of a sudden removed the cordon around us. There is a big movement of crowds of people there, moving toward this
makeshift memorial. Have you had an opportunity to read some of the signs?
ARIF: I was about to go. We're going to have roses as well. I'm going to take some flowers and lay some flowers as well, and say a prayer for the
fallen victims and of course, their affected. But most importantly, members of the Muslim community are out here in numbers again. And want to
show our solidarity. Because we were here a few weeks back, unfortunately, doing the same thing. Like all Londoners, we're deeply affected again.
GORANI: Do you think there is going to be now -- I mean, how will this change how mosques, Muslin community centers, these types of places, will
there be now -- there must be a lot more fear now?
ARIF: Islamophobia, unfortunately, is on the rise.
[16:10:00] That's something which reports always indicate and we need to be careful in curbing that issue. I think Muslins themselves like for
instance the mosque itself says they're not going to close for prayers. I think this is defiance and this is what needs to happen. I think
government needs to play its role as well. I think, not just mosques, but all places where there is a heavy foot full of people, they need to be
protected. Maybe make some areas --
GORANI: Then you turn yourselves into fortresses. Isn't that one of the risks?
ARIF: This is a pragmatic approach. I mean, unfortunately, this has happened for the third, fourth time in a matter of weeks. So, we really
need to take some sort of practical solutions. We can't just always come out to a vigil and just pray for the victims. God always says as well
that, with prayers, you have to do some sort of -- you have to make some sort of --
GORANI: Do you need more armed police? We hear that a lot, by the way, especially from our U.S. viewers. They say you should have more armed
police, some of them, when they contact us and they learn that many of the police officers, here behind us, for instance, are not armed. Do you think
they should be?
ARIF: I think there needs to be an effort by the government to do something. Maybe barriers, put up barriers and places. Maybe have
checkpoints in places. These things need to happen. And give practical solutions. The government is responsible, primarily, to look after its
citizens. You know, we as Londoners we feel that and that's something we need to put our attention towards. And I hope the government is learning
these lessons. Because it's too many times now. Something radical needs to happen to ensure the safety.
GORANI: But do you think there is also -- last question. It's not the first time we have seen an Islamophobic attack but the first time we have
seen an attack targeting Muslins that is using the same modus operandi as some of the Islamist attacks, as though it's copycat almost. Is that
frightening in some ways?
ARIF: The thing is, like I said before, extremism has no religion. You can take on the form of any vehicle and use it as a weapon of terrorism.
Some may argue that dropping bombs on a certain country is very moral and the same weapons used against them can be declared as immoral. It's a fine
line. Most important thing to remember is anything done against humanity, any creed, any color, any religion, is against the teaching of Islam.
GORANI: Right, and against the teaching of all religions, in fact. Iman Abdul Quddus Arif, thanks very much, Imam of the Ahmadiyya Muslin
community. Thanks for being with us here in London.
A heavily armed man who rammed his car into a police van in Paris is dead. The French interior minister says, the attacker's car, which burst into
flames after the collision was filled with weapons and explosives. Security forces have now begun an anti-terror investigation. Our Melissa
Bell is in Paris. Tell us more about what was in this suspect's car. Based on reports, he was very heavily armed.
BELL: That's right, Hala. He was heavily armed and the car contained large quantities of explosives. According to France's interior minister,
sufficient to blow the car up. So, as you say, the investigation, an anti- terror investigation is underway and will await to learn more. But it appears that this was a man who was hoping to cause more damage than in the
end he did manage to cause. You can see on the rather dramatic amateur images that have been coming in throughout the course of the evening. The
moment just after the car hit the police truck. Those vast plumes of orange smoke that emerged from the vehicle apparently some sort of ignition
device that failed, then, to ignite the explosive and cause the explosion that had been intended.
The man was then pulled from the car and died shortly afterwards. We can see him on either side of the Champs-Elysees. We don't know yet
specifically what caused his death. Whether he died just died from the asphyxiation because from being inside of the car filled of smoke or
whether he died as a result of a wound inflicted by the police.
But clearly, this incident was taken under control fairly quickly. The Champs-Elysees as you know, Hala, is heavily policed, full of military
personnel and policemen and women who patrol day and night. And this since the start of state of emergency in November of 2015. This has been an
awfully long time that we have been under the state of emergency.
What we also learned today is the government is going to put before the national assembly tomorrow a motion to extend that state of emergency still
further. We have seen in the course of the last few months these very regular attacks like the one we saw today, often carried out by a single
man, armed or in a car, and directed each time. This has been the big difference of what's happened here in France, compared to what's been
happening in the U.K. over the course of the last few months. Directed specifically at security services rather than civilians.
GORANI: All right, Melissa Bell, thanks very much with the very latest on that.
Just to set the scene here for you. They've opened up the street behind us. It was cordoned off by police, but as a result it means that traffic,
foot traffic, but also vehicular traffic is going to start again. So, were going to have to find another position there for us to continue our report.
What will bring you after a quick break. The latest terrorist attack in London. These tributes that have been left at the scene in Finsbury Park.
Will have reaction as well from the local community.
[16:15:00] Plus, so far so good. Brexit negotiators called the mood upbeat during day one of divorce talks between the U.K. and the EU. Will be right
KINKADE: Hello, I'm Lynda Kincaid. Welcome to this edition of THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. They call it a high stakes political game of beat the clock.
Brexit talks between the U.K. and the European Union officially got underway in Brussels on Monday. U.K. and EU negotiators called the mood
"incredibly positive." The both sides have less than two years to come up with a deal. And months of hard bargaining remain including the complex
issues of EU citizens' rights, future trade agreements and U.K. financial payments to Europe. EU negotiator, Michel Barnier, says the goal is to
agree on the terms of Brexit first, and then take up their future trade relationship. This appears to be a major concession from the U.K.
Meantime, British Brexit secretary, David Davis, said the status of Northern Ireland and the and the Good Friday agreement took up more time
today than any other subject. Despite the daunting challenges, both sides believe they can get a good agreement.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MICHEL BARNIER, CHIEF EU BREXIT NEGOTIATOR: This first session was useful. Indeed, to start off on the right foot as the clock is ticking.
DAVID DAVIS, BRITISH BREXIT SECRETARY: There's more that unites us than divides us. So, while there will be undoubtedly challenging times ahead of
us in the negotiations, we will do all that we can to assure that we deliver a deal that works in the best interest of all citizens.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KINKADE: Well, Daniel Hannan joins me now. He Is a Conservative member of the European Parliament for Southeast England and the author of the book
"Why". He joins me now from Brussels. Good to have you with us. We hear today that there was a positive agreement. A good start to the talks.
What did you make of it?
[16:20:00] DANIEL HANNAN, MEMBER OF EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT: Yes, I think it was. And that's to be expected. We have a continuing interest in each
other's prosperity. I mean, Britain wants to have a successful and wealthy European Union next door. If for no other reason than that prosperous
neighbors may good customers. And I think that the reverse applies. So, I hope that at the end of this process, instead of being the grudging tenants
that we've been these past 40 years, will become the best of neighbors.
KINKADE: The Prime Minister called that snap election and it did backfire. She didn't get the mandate that she needed. Does she have the weaker hand
here going into these negotiations?
HANNAN: Well, it's actually the most pro-Brexit House of Commons we've ever had. In the sense that 85 percent of MPs were elected for parties
promising to implement the referendum results. As a opposed to 13 percent in the last House of Commons. I don't think there's going to be any real
change from the deal that was ordered. The proposed deal that was set up by the U.K. government before. We want to have the closest relationship
with our European allies. We want to be they're military and trading and security partners. We want to preserve the bits of the deal that are
working. But we want to live under our own laws and we want gradually to be able to reorient towards a more global trading policy anymore
deregulated economic policy at home. And I think that's a process that can unfold in and agreed and cordial fashion.
KINKADE: There is a lot to work through over the next couple of years. What do you think will be the most complex of the negotiations?
HANNAN: Well, you've already touched on the issues involving Ireland. All sides, London, Dublin, in Brussels agree that we do not want a hard border
in Ireland. I think that's perfectly achievable. We have a common travel area at the moment that includes the U.K. and Ireland which are in the EU
and that also includes the Channel Islands and the and the Isle of Man that are outside the EU. So, it's something that can be managed feasibly. But
it's going to require a certain amount of finessing.
And then of course, there's going to be arguments about agriculture and fisheries and so on. And of course, they'll be a big row about the budget.
But I think on the big fundamentals, the continuation of a free trade area, the continuation of security and military links and so on, and indeed,
reciprocal rights for each other's nationals who have already settled in each other's territory, I think the two sides are very close together.
KINKADE: Big businesses in the U.K. are really pushing for a softer Brexit. There's a lot of fear amongst business in the U.K. Should there
HANNAN: No, I think those fears are misplaced. I think we will end up outside the single market in the literal sense that we're not bound by the
European Commission and Court, because we'll be outside their jurisdiction. But having done that there's no reason why we shouldn't replicate quite a
lot of the contents of the single market regulations. There are lots of non-EU states that do this very successfully, from Guernsey and Jersey to
Switzerland. There are outside the single market in a legal sense, but through bilateral treaty and through domestic legislation, they mimic quite
a lot of it. And you know, I help noticing that they're managing pretty well. The Swiss export nearly 5 times as much per head to the EU from the
outside as we do. It's plainly not an impediment to a successful trading relationship. But this was have a huge advantage that we can now look
forward to. And also, being able to sign their own free trade agreements with the United States, with China, with India, with Australia and that
something that I think is going to significantly boost our economy in the years to come.
KINKADE: All right, Daniel Hannan. Great to get your perspective on all of that. Thanks so much.
HANNAN: Thank you.
KINKADE: With Brexit negotiations officially underway, Theresa May is still working on solidifying her alliance with Northern Ireland's
Democratic Unionist Party. In his first foreign trip since taking office, the newly elected prime minister of the Republic of Ireland visited 10
Downing Street. And he said that any border that exists between the Republic and Northern Ireland after Brexit must be invisible. Speaking at
a joint press conference on Monday, Mrs. May said she wants to maintain a common travel area with Ireland after Brexit.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
THERESA MAY, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: I'm personally committed to ensuring a practical solution that recognizes the unique economic, social, cultural
and political context of the land border with Ireland which so many people pass through every day. And it will remain our priority to work closely
with the Irish government to ensure a frictionless and seamless border as frictionless and seamless border as possible.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KINKADE: CNN's Nic Robertson joins me now from Downing Street. And Nic, Theresa May has come under a lot of criticism as she's dealt with issues on
the home front.
[16:25:00] The things that come to mind are those recent tragedies. If she in a vulnerable position right now?
ROBERTSON: She is. There are certain of her MPs who would like her to be removed and step down. It does seem to be impractical for the Conservative
Party to do that. Number one, whoever would take over the job right now would be under huge political pressure from not just the Brexit
negotiations, but all the other things that are happening in Britain at the moment. Dealing with for example, the Grenfell Tower burning last week.
That has caused particular trouble for Theresa May.
We've also seen her obviously, dealing with the attack, the terror attack overnight last night at Finsbury Park, most of the terror attacks over the
past few weeks. There's a huge amount happening here that are major distractions from dealing with the outcome of the Brexit talks. But not
the lease, on top of that was the disastrous elections that she called that have left her party in a minority. And she still yet to form an agreement
with the Democratic Unionist Party of Northern Ireland to count on their votes. And the Queen's speech is on Wednesday this week.
So, when you frame all of that it would be a very toxic moment for another Conservative politician to take over. So, while there's pressure on her to
get this right and to show that she can get it right and to do the right things. As she did today, going to the Finsbury Park Mosque to meet some
of the leaders in the community there. Something she failed or was slow to do last week with the tragedy in the tower that caught fire. She is trying
to put some of that to right and lay some of the criticism that's being thrusting once again. So, she's trying to put some of that down. But it
doesn't detract from the fact that there are still a lot of Conservatives out there who believe that she is not going to be able to lead them all the
way through the Brexit negotiations with a weak government that doesn't have a majority and that needs to count on votes of other parties that
haven't yet been secured.
KINKADE: All right, Nic Robertson for us live outside 10 Downing Street. Thank you very much.
European stocks rose across the board on Monday after French President, Emmanuel Macron, one a substantial parliamentary majority in Sunday's final
vote. The French CAC claimed its biggest rise since May 5. While the German Dax logged a fresh record high, climbing 1.1 percent by the markets
British Prime Minister, Theresa May, says Islamophobia is a form of extremism and the U.K. has been far too tolerant over the years. Up next,
I'll speak to a former police chief about the fight against extremists and hateful ideology.
[16:30:13] Hello, I'm Lynda Kinkade at the CNN center in Atlanta. Will have the latest on the investigation into the attack in London in just a
moment. But first there are some other stories were following this hour.
Brexit negotiations between Britain and the European Union are underway. The two sides held their first day of talks on Monday in Brussels. Among
the key issues are trade, tariffs, and immigration. Britain's Brexit minister says, the first day got off to a promising start.
At least 62 people were killed and dozens more injured in a massive wildfire raging through central Portugal. Authority say lightning strikes
caused the fire. Many of the victims were burned to death in their cars as they tried to escape. The government has declared three days of morning.
In Paris authority say an armed man deliberately tried to ram his car into a police van on the Champ-Elysees on Monday. Interior minister says car
contain weapons and explosives. The attacker was killed but it's unclear how. This is the fifth attack on security forces in Paris in four months.
Cuba's foreign minister is blasting Donald Trump's decision to restrict U.S. travel and business to the island nation. The minister says Cuba has
the patience and resistance to wait out the U.S. president. And adds that his country has no intention of meeting Mr. Trump's demands to extradite
London has suffered a string of recent tragedies. Tonight, a vigil and Parliament Square for the victims of the Grenfell Tower fire. Earlier
today Britain observed a moment of silence.
Big Ben struck at 11 a.m. local time. First responders and others stop to honor those who were killed in last Wednesday's devastating inferno.
Police have released this haunting video from inside the 24th tower. At least 79 people are dead or missing or presumed dead. Samuel Burke is near
Grenfell Tower. And as we expected that death toll continuing to rise. The people there coming together.
BURKE: It is a very interesting scene here, because on the one hand people are coming together in the community. They're very sad. But there is also
a growing frustration here that you can sense. A lot of people are more and more upset. And basically, was happening here, Lynda, is every time
that they increase, they announce a higher death toll. People become more and more upset. They've lost hope. Actually, I'm just going to toss back
to you. Back in the studio for second. Were just having a little bit of an issue here, Lynda.
KINKADE: All right, Samuel Burke, will come back to you again shortly.
A major terrorism investigation is underway after a man drove a van into worshipers near a mosque in North London. One man died at the scene and
nine other people are in hospital. All the casualties are Muslim. The driver has been named as Darren Osborne, that's according to U.K. media.
The 47-year-old is in police custody. Arrested on terrorism offenses and suspicion of attempted murder. This video obtained by CNN shows the
Witnesses say this was a deliberate attack on Muslims and it has shaken the local community. But the Finsbury Park mosque and the surrounding area
have been through tough times before. Clarissa Ward has more.
WARD (voice-over): Finsbury Park sits in one of the most diverse regions of London. Home to historic Irish and Afro-Caribbean communities and large
Muslim and Jewish populations. That's one of the reason this attack feels so raw to the local people. And Met Police Commissioner, Cressida Dick,
paid tribute to that community cohesion.
CRESSIDA DICK, LONDON METROPOLITAN POLICE COMMISSIONER: This is a highly integrated truly diverse and multicultural place. The people who
perpetrated attacks like this think they will break our society down and cause division between us. And they won't do that and they won't win.
This is a very resilient city and this is a very, very resilient sets of communities.
[16:35:00] WARD: The Finsbury Park Mosque is at the heart of this community. The imam, Mohammed Mahmoud, has been praised for helping to
apprehend the attacker and keep him safe from an angry public until the police came.
MOHAMMED MAHMOUD, IMAM: A police van drove past by coincidence. So, we flagged them down. We told them the situation that there's a man, he's
restrained, he mowed down a group of people with his van. And there's a mob attempting to hurt him if you don't take him. God forbid he might be
seriously hurt. So, we push people away from him until he was safely taken by police into custody and put into the back of the van.
WARD: In 2014, the mosque became only the third place of worship to be awarded a visible quality mark by the Charity Commission awarded only to
faith organizations that are inclusive and welcoming. An achievement all the more remarkable considering how notorious the mosque was in the
previous decade. It was closed in 2003 after concerns it was a hotbed of extremism. The imam was the notorious Abu Hamza, who was convicted of 11
terrorism charges in the United States.
Richard Reed, who attempted to blow up an American Airlines flight in 2002 with shoe bomb, worship there. But the Finsbury Park community has roots
that run deep in its resilience through the decades is testament to its strength.
GORANI: Welcome back here, as I was mentioning before, authorities have reopened the road leading to that site of the attack. The van ramming
qualified as a potential terrorist attack by authorities here, eight people were injured, one person killed, as a result. And behind me is a makeshift
memorial. People have been dropping off flowers and pinning notes as well, of hope and unity on the wall under this bridge, this underpass behind me
in Finsbury Park.
Dal Babu is a former chief superintendent of London police any joins me now. Are you surprised that you saw an attack like this one aimed at
DAL BABU, FORMER CHIEF SUPERINTENDENT, METROPOLITAN POLICE: There has been an increase in hate crime and a number of her crimes just don't get
reported. So, we've gone from 2 1/2 a day to 20 at its peak. And we have days when there's been 58. So, there has been an increase.
GORANI: But this almost like a copycat attack of some of these ISIS inspired assaults and attacks with the van and that type of thing. Would
you make of that?
BABU: Yes, it is quite worrying. This is the first time we've had Muslims specifically targeted. And we've had a van that's been hired in Wales, in
Cardiff that's been driven here by an individual who I believe is 47. So, these are not so young, easily influenced young people. These are older
people. And Westminster Bridge was a 50-year-old man. So, there is a worrying trend. I think what we need to be looking at is what is their
mental well-being. Is there something we could've picked up earlier on? It's also looking at the far right, the extreme right.
GORANI: Do you think they've been overlooked, these groups?
BABU: Well, we've had a huge amount of scrutiny on Islamic groups but we haven't had the scrutiny on the far right. And I think we need to be
looking at them to make sure that we don't overlook some of these individuals that are extremely dangerous.
GORANI: What is your biggest concern now? This happened 12/14 hours ago. Actually, almost 24-hours ago now. What is your biggest concern of what
could emerge from them?
BADU: Well, we want the community to continue to work together, live together, be content. One in eight of London's population is Muslim and
actually I don't live very far from here. This is an incredibly diverse area. And people live very, very happily together. And that's we want to
continue to do. The people who commit these offenses want us to sort of be at each other's throats. We just want to make sure that never ever
GORANI: We've in fact, seen it in online communities. People discussing this. Not just ISIS but far right groups. ISIS is saying this is a call
to arms. Far right groups, this is according to the site intel group that tracks this, some of them are saying this is the beginning of a race war.
These two extremes seem to complete each other.
BADU: Yes, and they're both actually complete rubbish. Because if you look at the people who come here, who've laid flowers, who want to try and
provide reassurance to though to the Muslim community. They come from all parts of the country and from all ethnicities.
GORANI: But it still going on though. These events are still happening. So, I think frustrated people, and I've spoken to some today, are saying,
it's all well and good to lay flowers and put up signs, but were tired of this. How do you stop it?
BADU: Well, this is the fourth major attack that we've had in the space of three months. So, people are concerned and people will want to feel
reassured. I think, what we need to do is see more police patrols. It's going to be quite challenging. I spoke to some of the police officers
earlier on, they've been on duty sense 4:00 this morning. You know, they worked incredibly hard. And it's one instance after another instance. The
police have been reduced by 15 percent. We have 20,000 less police officers. So, we really need to revisit that and make sure we have enough
resources. And it's all very well for the government to talk about additional resources and counterterrorism. It's very, very different to
[16:40:00] So, we want bobbies on the beat. We are an unique country. We have police without firearms by and large. And we want to retain that and
so it is making sure that we have police officers on the streets in sufficient numbers.
GORANI: Thanks very much, the former chief superintendent here of the London police, thanks for joining us on this very now busy sidewalk which
was closed off by a police court in just minutes ago, but all of this has now been reopened. The side of the attack just meters behind me and really
right behind me here is where you see that makeshift memorial with piles of flowers honoring those who were hurt in this assault. We will have a lot
more after a quick break, you are watching CNN.
LYNDA KINKADE, CNN ANCHOR: We have got some news just in to CNN, Otto Warmbier has died. He of course, return to the U.S. last week after more
than a year in prison in North Korea, and when he returned he was in a state of a coma with severe brain damage. His family have released a
statement, Fred and Cindy said, "it is our sad duty to report that our son Otto has completed his journey home. Surrounded by his loving family Otto
died today at 2:20 PM. It would be an easy movement like this to focus on all that we lost, future time that will not be spent with a warm, engaging,
brilliant young man whose curiosity and enthusiasm for life new no bounds. But we choose to focus on the time we were given to be with this remarkable
person. You can tell from the outpouring of emotion from the communities that he touched in Wyoming, Ohio and the University of Virginia, to name
just a few, that the love for Otto went well beyond his immediate family."
They go on to say, "that we would like to thank the wonderful professionals at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center who did everything they
could for Otto. Unfortunately, the awful torturous mistreatment of our son received at the hands of the North Koreans ensured that no other outcome
was possible the on the sad one that we experienced today. When Otto returned to Cincinnati late on June 13, he was unable to speak, unable to
see and unable to react to verbal commands."
They go on to say, "he looked very uncomfortable, almost anguished although we would never hear his voice again, within a day his face changed. He was
at peace. He was home and we believe that he could sense that, we think everyone around the world who has kept him and our family in their thoughts
and prayers. We are at peace and at home too."
[16:45:00] That statement from Fred and Cyndy Warmbier and family, and just to recap for those just joining us Otto Warmbier, the University of
Virginia student who was held captive in North Korea for over a year has passed away. We are going to have more on this development in just a short
break, stay with us right here on CNN.
KINKADE: Welcome back, I am Lynda Kinkade. For those just joining us we have some news just in to CNN, Otto Warmbier, the Virginia University
student who was held captive in North Korea for over a year has passed away. His family have released a statement saying that now he is at peace.
This is terrible news for the family, do we have Miguel? All right, we don't have Miguel at this stage. We are continuing to follow that sad news
for their family.
For now, let's move on to the Brexit talks between the U.K. and the EU. Many more key dates remain before the Brexit clock winds down less than two
years from now. U.K. Brexit Secretary David Davis and his EU counterpart, Michael Barnier said the chemistry was good during their first meeting in
Brussels. They say they will meet one week every month until they reach a deal or they run out of time.
Queen Elizabeth delivers the Queen's speech to Parliament on Wednesday, she will be laying out Parliament's upcoming legislative agenda. Next year's
Queen's speech has already been canceled because of Brexit.
German parliamentary elections in September, who ends up in a Chancellor's chair will be a key player in OK-ing the Brexit deal. The clock runs out
March 2019, that is Michael Barnier's deadline for hammering out an agreement with the U.K. Ryan Heath for Politico is following all the
Brexit action and joins us now from Brussels. Good to have you with us. Very important day in Brussels for these talks, it sounds by all accounts
that I got off to a good start?
RYAN HEATH, SENIOR EU CORRESPONDENT, POLITICO: Yes, it could've been a lot worse for both sides, Lynda, it is a real turning point for the EU today to
have a country as big as Britain began its path to exiting the EU. David Davis the negotiator for U.K., he came here with the cards stacked against
him. It is a really perilous domestic situation for him in the EU, well, they've got 27 up against the one of the U.K. so for him to come out and
get an agreement that they would be able to talk about their future relationship before the divorce was completed, that was David Davis' win.
[16:50:00] But then overall, the EU probably left a little bit higher up in the scoring system because they got their way and how the sequence he would
work, the rhythm of the negotiations, and Barnier gave a very nice gift to David Davis, which was a walking stick. It looked like a bit of a crutch
when you saw the pictures. So, there was a little bit of second layer humor there as well,
KINKADE: A bit of humor there. And symbolism. But this all happens, and not to long after Theresa May have suffered that huge blow in the snap
election. I was looking for her going into these Brexit talks? She now has a weaker mandate.
HEATH: Absolutely, I think a lot of people here in Europe and definitely in Brussels as well, are counting the days that Theresa May has left. She
really did not get the mandate she wanted when she called the snap election precisely around getting that Brexit mandate. She has been hit on all
sides by terror, by the Grenfell disaster, by losing lots of her key advisors. So, it is really, really tough for her. David Davis in a way
was auditioning to replace Theresa May today. And he did a credible job I have to say.
KINKADE: Right now, big businesses in the U.K. are really pushing hard for a softer Brexit, how much power do they have in these negotiations?
HEATH: Not an awful lot. You saw that they were really on the losing side of the referendum last year. People who have a lot of money and power who
are classified as elite, they are not exactly the flavor of the month in political circles. So, while I do have the ear of people like Phil
Hammond, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, he is also considering running against Theresa May, if she looks like she's going to lose the Prime
There is a valid discussion to be had here, but David Davis still has his hands on the reins. He reiterated today that it was going to be a hard
Brexit, that they were not going to consider staying in the single market, for example, so those people who want a softer Brexit, they have got a lot
more work to do to have a dent in these discussions.
KINKADE: So, looking at the timeline ahead, what will be key in the coming weeks and months?
HEATH: What they said the first priorities are, is coming to some kind of deal on citizens' rights. So, letting these 4 million people who live
outside their home country know are they going to be able to stay? Can they reunite their family with them if someone else wants to join them? On
what terms? That has to be decided to reduce the uncertainty. They were very clear on both sides about that today. I think the bit of the iceberg
in this ocean is island. If you are going to leave the single market in the EU's customs union, it is very hard not to have a real border where
trucks another people are being checked as they crossed the border.
But both sides say they don't want that. So, that is going to be a real sticking point and the EU has put its top person, Barnier's top deputy onto
the situation. U.K. has put one of their senior negotiators onto the situation as well. So that shows that they are both worried, but
committing some resources to solving that Irish border problem.
KINKADE: At the end of the day, there is a lot of people that are going to be affected by this, citizens both living in the U.K. and EU.
HEATH: Yes. There are 4 million people whose lives are going to be really fundamentally disrupted by Brexit, if a deal cannot be made. And so, while
it is a nice political football and it was clearly pushed by people who have really strong political views to have this referendum to achieve this
outcome, it is the day-to-day life of these 4 million people that can decide this is government last in the U.K., for example. Will the EU
really be able to stop the momentum that led to this Brexit referendum? If they cannot solve the problems of those 4 million people then all the cards
are back on table again. And you might have a lot more disruption, the sort of disruption and populism that people on both sides of the channel
were worrying about in the early months of this year.
KINKADE: Ryan Heath, always a great to get your perspective on this, thanks so much for joining us.
Well, we have some sad news into CNN. Otto Warmbier has died. He returned to the US last week after more than a year in captivity in North Korea.
Miguel Marquez is following the story and joins us now from New York, Miguel, what are you learning?
MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I was in Cincinnati last week when he arrived. We saw him come off that plane in a comatic state, he wasn't
actually in a coma, but in state a very bad mental incapacitation because he had so much brain damage. It is not clear what caused that brain
damage. The family announcing in a statement through the University of Cincinnati Medical Center today that at 2:20 PM their son had died. It is
likely that they had to take life-support away from him to do that, to make that hard decision to do this.
When the father said this is a family, keep in mind had not heard from their son for a year and half, and when they did finally hear that he was
coming home, but that he was a shell of its former self essentially. Part of the statement that the family released today is very touching.
[00:55:00] "When Otto returned late on June 13, he was unable to speak, and able to see and unable to react to verbal commands. He looked very
uncomfortable almost anguished. Although we would never hear his voice again, within a day the countenance on his face changed, he was a peace, he
was at home. And we believe that he could sense that."
Otto Warmbier, those pictures of him coming off that government Gulfstream three in Cincinnati. Remarkable journey for a remarkable man and a very,
very sad ending to a story that is just tough to get into the details of.
KINKADE: Yes. Certainly, a tough time for their family, hard to imagine what they're going through. As you mentioned, they weren't aware that he
was in a coma for a year during the time that he was held in captivity in North Korea. Certainly, our thoughts and prayers are with all his family
and friends. And we will come back to I am sure at the top of the next hour for more details on this story. Otto Warmbier for those joining us,
has passed away. This is young student who was held in captivity in North Korea for more than a year and returned to the U.S. last week.
Well, that does it for this edition of THE WORLD RIGHT NOW, I'm Lynda Kinkade at the CNN center. The news continues right here I will be back at
the top of the hour with CNN today.