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Stark Image of Brexit Negotiations; World Reacts To New Doctor Who; Trump Health Care Reform Effort Stalls Again; Trump Kicks off "Made in America" Theme week; British Royals Begin Tour of Poland And Germany; Chinese-American Gets 10-Year Sentence In Iran; South Korea Proposes Talks With North Korea. Aired 3-4p ET
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[15:00:24] HANNAH VAUGHAN JONES, CNN ANCHOR: Tonight, trying to change the subject. President Donald Trump launched his "Made in America Week" just
now, but even he seems distracted by Russia.
Also ahead, at one side is mountain of paper works. How would you think if (ph) top Brexit negotiator forgotten his homework? Plus, the doctor is in,
the (INAUDIBLE). We have reactions from Jodie Whittaker's new role at "Doctor Who".
Hello, good evening to you. I'm Hannah Vaughan Jones live in London sitting in for Hala JONES. And this is the WORLD RIGHT NOW.
Six months into his presidency, Donald Trump is kicking off a new effort to shift the spotlight of the Russia controversy threatens to overshadow his
This week, the message is "Made in America" and President Trump is taking part in an event this hour highlighting U.S.-made products. We are
expecting our first pictures from the White House. Very soon we'll bring them to you as soon as we get them.
A new poll though may explain why the president needs a fresh P.R. campaign. Take a look at this. It says 36 percent of Americans approved
of his job performance. That is the lowest rating of any president at the six-month mark in 70 years.
But even as Mr. Trump tries to reset the conversation, he's undercutting his own message but like twisting about Russia.
I'm joined now by White House reporters, Stephen Collinson. Stephen, great to have you on the program. He tweets a lot. We know this already. But
weirdly, nothing really about "Made In America" so far today, instead he's talking about Russia defending his son Don Jr. meeting saying, "Hey, most
people would have taken this meeting. That's just politics."
Aside from the fact that it's not most people wouldn't. What do you make of the president's famous mind this Monday?
STEPHEN COLLINSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's very interesting because that tweets in fact is saying that being willing to collude the will of foreign
power to influence the U.S. election is actually OK because that's what we understand that Donald Trump Jr. understood about the purpose of his
meeting with the Russian lawyer.
And you've pointed about him not tweeting about "Made in America" is a good one, too, because that's the big question. The White House has tried over
and over again to sort of pivot back from the Russia controversy, which has clouded the White House ever since Donald Trump took office.
To the issues, we've had manufacturing, we've had other issues that they've tried to concentrate on, but Donald Trump comes out and basically stumps
all over it with a tweet that revived some other controversy, most often about Russia. So the question is, is he going to be able to speak to it?
I guess it's about five or six hours since that tweet and he's not done anything yet to sort of counterbond his own narrative. But the day is
still young in Washington.
VAUGHAN JONES: Yes. We're talking about themed weeks of course. No themed week on health care, which is the one topic you think they might do
with the end (ph) week on that moment. Is it because health care is just a lose-lose situation for Trump? If it passed, this is not a full repeal of
Obamacare. And if it doesn't pass, then he spilled then his promise to get rid of it.
COLLINSON: Right. And they're in a real tough situation because the republican parties effectively made its central rationale for the last
eight years, repealing Obamacare. It's something that's highly popular with grassroots conservatives and republicans. They're not so much
increasingly so with the rest of the country.
If you think about -- if you step back for a minute, this is a president with 36 percent approval rating, republican congresses about 30 percent in
those polls of approval trying to pass a bill that has an approval rating in the low sort of double figures, 12 percent or 13 percent. It doesn't
seem like it's a very smart political move. But I think what's going on is that republicans are still worried what will happen to them if they do not
pass this bill that they've spent years telling their voters that they will pass a lot of new fair primary challenges ahead of the midterm elections
The calculation has been the price they would pay for not passing this bill is great in the price they would pay for passing it. Yet of course, if it
turns out to be a complete disaster, millions of Americans use their health coverage, they can pay a price down the road. But right now, I think the
immediate political calculation is they still somehow to try to find a way to pass this.
[15:05:00] JONES: Yes. You could argue I guess that it's been a calculated risk but a good one in doing this themed week on "Made in
America", because o fall of the policy areas that Donald Trump is tackling at the moment, the one area that's seemingly doing OK is the economy.
COLLINSON: Right. And this is what he ran on. This was what made him so attractive to many sort of working-class voters in the midwestern states
which have been decimated, whether the economy has been decimated where heavy industry has been crashed by foreign competition and low-wage markets
abroad, a lot of Donald Trump voters sent him to Washington because they wanted a revival of American manufacturing and a reshaping of a global
economic system which they see as detrimental to their in-person (ph), which they think has caused them their jobs and their status of living, and
really a chance to the American dream.
So this does make a lot of sense. The question is, what lies behind it? Is Donald Trump going to redo those trade deals NASTA with Canada and
Mexico? He's talking about redoing a trade deal with South Korea. Is there any substance? Is there any push behind this that's going to fulfill
those promises that Donald Trump made?
VAUGHAN JONES: Stephen, it's always good to talk to you. Stephen Collinson there. Thank you.
Now, let's talk a little bit more about Mr. Trump's focus on the economy on jobs, which is of course the focus of this week.
I'm joined by CNN's Senior Economics Analyst, Stephen Moore. He was a senior economic advisor for the Trump campaign.
Stephen, great to have you, and thank you for joining us.
STEPHEN MOORE, CNN SENIOR ECONOMICS ANALYST: Hi, Hannah. My pleasure.
VAUGHAN JONES: Donald Trump or at least the White House is trying to change the narrative, put the agenda if you will and focus not on Russia,
but focus on "Made in America". Is it possible? I mean you can argue that when you're in a board room, it's OK and you can talk about whatever you
want to talk about when you're the leader of the free world, others things dictate what's on the agenda?
MOORE: Yes. Well, I would love if this week we talk about anything but Russia because that is so dominated. The media (INAUDIBLE) has month or
so. And it's been -- as you described in those opinion polls, they've been bad for Trump, they've driven his numbers down. Although I would make the
case, the only been involved numbers that really make any difference of the ones, our election day.
But nonetheless, you know, his popularity has declined and this theme of "Made in America", I was just listening to your previous segment about
those midwestern states, Hannah, those states like Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, that made an America message. We're going to make
steel. We're going to make cars. We're going to produce coal in these areas. That's a popular message especially with those Trump voters.
VAUGHAN JONES: Interesting though, this "Made in America" idea, because one of the issues, which is jarring with so many of us, is that most of the
Trump stuff, Trump brand or stuff isn't made in America. And so the question is, are ordinary Americans going to be happy to potentially pay a
bit more to have it made in America?
I want to just bring this latest poll which just shed some lights on this issue of course, Stephen. A number of Americans were given the choice
between two pairs of pants or trousers as we say here in the U.K. One foreign-made pant on sell for $50 and the other was American-made trousers
on sell for $85, and it turns out the prices was much more important than providence, 67 percent of those asked said that they would buy the cheaper
pair of trousers.
So what happens now? I mean we're hearing from the White House that they're kind of defending the Trump organization and the bank of Trump in
there not made in America products. But it's not the right method, is it?
MOORE: Well, I like the "Made in America" message. I'm a pre-trade guy. I do believe international trade is important, but I also, as a matter of
patriotism, I do look at the label, where is it made, if it's made in America, you know, it's maybe just a little bit more expensive. I might
buy that American-made product because I think it's going to make more job for an American worker.
And so I think it's a popular message. I think the most important thing is, you know, you were just describing the fact there were stock market at
the highest level has been in history. We got a pretty good jobs report. I think ultimately, Donald Trump is going to be viewed by and judged by
voters, Hannah, not on what's happening with Russian, Comey, and all these other things, he's going to be judged on whether he's able to bring
economic development and good jobs back to the country.
VAUGHAN JONES: Yes.
MOORE: And when I used to talk to him about this week --
MOORE: What do you mean?
VAUGHAN JONES: Is there (INAUDIBLE) point for that? That's the big question, right? With this base, is there a point when it goes -- when his
supporters, his core supporters say, "You promised us health care reform, you promised us a wall, you promised us jobs." If he doesn't deliver on
that by -- I don't know, we're at the six-month mark now. If it takes eight months a year --
VAUGHAN JONES: -- is there a point where his bases are to turn on him?
MOORE: That's a great question and, you know, it matters -- well, let me fill like this, Hannah. You know, we have congressional elections in
November of next. Donald Trump obviously doesn't face the voters for three more years.
[15:09:58] So it matters a lot and so it was the cutoff point to these members of congress to have every member of the House of Representatives
has to run for reelection in November 2018 and the third of the senators do.
So they're focused on 2018. Donald Trump is looking for -- to make sure that economy is doing well by 2020 so he can get reelected.
So I would say he -- you're right though. I mean, look, he has got to get the health care reform done, he has to get attached package done, he's got
to show results for workers. And by the way, I think if he does and then we see a continued approval with the economy, then I think those approval
numbers that they are so low right now, I think those will come up.
VAUGHAN JONES: You've been in the campaign and advisor to the campaign. How frustrating is it when you're trying desperately to be on message? And
like you said, all the Republicans in Congress are going to be looking to 2018. And these are just self-inflicted wounds seemingly, just taking to
Twitter in 140 characters and then steering all of those efforts way off course.
MOORE: Well, you know, look, that's -- this is Donald Trump. I mean this is the essence of Donald Trump. I mean on the campaign, he would drift
from the message and we get frustrated with them. And I remember, we say, "Donald Trump, keep in focus on jobs and the economy," and he'd be talking
about other things.
But on the other hand, you know, when I talk to Trump voters, they kind of like that about Donald Trump that he is flamboyant and that he says things
that a lot of normal politicians wouldn't. And the thing that they liked a lot about him, Hannah, is that he is taking on the media and you know that
there is this contest now between the media and Trump, and Trump as you know, he's called networks like CNN fake news and that with a lot of his
voters, they like that. So we'll see how this turns out in the end. It's still early in the game.
VAUGHAN JONES: Just one final thought, Stephen, on jobs and the economy in general, how much credit can Donald Trump take personally for the state of
the economy in America right now? How much of it still just like the hangover if you like from President Obama's reign?
MOORE: Yes. I think some, some credit. No question about it. I mean it's still early in the game and he -- as we just said, he hasn't passed a
lot of his agenda yet. But I do think there's no question that the buoyancy in the stock market, the increase in confidence, that happened the
day after the election when people realized, "Hey, we've got a president now who is going to be pro-business, pro-invest, pro-stock market, pro-
And so, I think he deserves some of the credit. But you know what's important is not how the economy is doing right now, it's going to be
important how he's doing about a year from now for those members of Congress and a couple of years from now for Donald Trump as he faces
VAUGHAN JONES: We'll see if he makes it a couple years down the line. Stephen Moore, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it.
MOORE: Thank you, Hannah. Take care. Have a great day.
VAUGHAN JONES: Now, Britain's Brexit secretary was back in Brussels earlier today meeting his E.U. counterpart for the next round of
negotiations. And Davis -- David Davis rather came with a noble message. He said it's time to get down to work down to business. But pictures from
those talks looked slightly awkward with Davis sitting without any notes or any paperwork compared to the seemingly well-briefed E.U. side. The
negotiators have less than two years to try to hash out a Brexit agreement.
Let's get more now from Nina dos Santos. Nina, round two, ding-ding-ding, any sort of progress or was it just chaos?
NINA DOS SANTOS, CNNMONEY EUROPE EDITOR: Round two is 20 months to go before the U.K. could be kicked out to the E.U. without any kind of deal,
Hannah. That's what we're talking about here. Yes, you're right in saying he didn't come on just much paperwork, he came on to the very business-like
message at the start of the day. He was all smiles and handshakes to this second only monthly meeting that's going to be taking place between himself
and Michel Barnier of the European commission, the chief negotiator of their side, a very well-prepared, a career politician, diplomat and a civil
servant here, Hannah.
And as you could see, the paperwork wasn't there and then he was called back to Britain, within just three hours of this meeting haven't begun. He
was already in a train back to Great Britain where there are big cabinet risks that has been brewing over the very issue that he was there to talk
about which is of course how Brexit should be handled.
So the message is to the people in Brussel, which is going down with quite a bit of conservation and confusion, as you can imagine, it is Brexit and
how Britain has viewed (ph) Brexit back home, how they deal with it in a Cabinet level more important and how they actually deal with it in an area
that has 320 million people whose faiths are also being affected by what's going on here across the negotiating table.
And I just want to point out that it isn't Brussels that's become increasingly concerned about this lack of preparedness from people like
David Davis and other emissaries that the U.K. has been sending.
The rest here have Dominic Cummings who is the man who spearheaded the successful Vote Leave campaign coming out and outrightly criticizing him on
Twitter. Take a look at this. He said, "David Davis is manufactured exactly to specification as the perfect stooge for," and he mentioned the
name of a particular civil servant here, "thick as mince, lazy as a toad and vain as Narcissus."
[15:15:07] JONES: What a wonderful English British insult there that you can't get better than that. If, as you say, 20 months that we've got less
to hash out this agreement, if it doesn't seem like this, it doesn't at the moment that we're going to get it anywhere in that timeframe, is it more
and more likely now that they'll be some kind of transitional period from being a full member to being a pseudo member?
DOS SANTOS: Well, this is the type of thing that the business community has been increasingly saying that they want to hear Amendment number 10 and
number 11, what the chancellor list. They've been trying to carry table at the business community amidst -- business community across the U.K. that
has been saying, "Well, we haven't heard an awful lot and had an awful lot of dialogue with the government about this huge momentous process that's
going to affect our staff, our employees, our investment from here and so on and so fort.
What we've seen over the last couple of days is the cabinet risk that is taking place between Philip Hammond, the Chancellor of the Exchequer had to
deal with the fallout of losing -- falling tax revenues that the number of firms go overseas or a lot of their businesses go overseas and they have to
layoff staff, they'll have to deal with the economic fallout of that. And the international trade, Secretary Liam Fox is one of other -- a very pro-
Brexit alliance within the Cabinet.
There is this big struggle between the two about whether or not there should be a transitional period. Hammond feels that there should be. The
business community feels that there should be. Even Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London told CNN today that he would be in favor of that and its well-
being for that. But at the moment, that is at the heart of this key split, how to deal with Brexit after 2019. But before we even get there, the
negotiations in just round two have only lasted three hours for now.
VAUGHAN JONES: In fighting in the government, in fighting in parliament or as you said, I guess a weaker government as well after that general
election. Nina, thank you very much indeed.
And while Britain's negotiators were in Brussels, the country's royals were visiting one of those E.U. countries, Poland. Prince William and his wife
Kate, as well as their two young children, George and Charlotte to visit the country. They will also visit Germany as part of their tour. It was
made at the request of the British Foreign Office.
Still to come on the program, tonight, accusations of American espionage in Iran. A tension with the west rises as Iran convicts another American.
And poverty is part of daily life for millions in North Korea, yet for at least few, luxury watches and expensive perfumes are the norms. Find out
more on this after break.
VAUGHAN JONES: Welcome back to the program. To Iran now, and a Chinese- American has been sentenced to 10 years in prison for spying. Xiyue Wang is a PhD student at Princeton University. He was arrested last summer
while in Iran doing research in his dissertation. Iran sent the official news agencies that Wang was convicted for "gathering information". He has
20 days to appeal the sentence.
[15:20:08] With more on this, let's cross now live to Tehran. Ramin Mostaghim is a journalist for the Los Angeles Times. He joins me now live
Ramin, this U.S. citizen then jailed for so-called gathering information. What exactly did he do?
RAMIN MOSTAGHIMIS, JOURNALIST, LOS ANGELES TIMES (via Skype): As far as we know, the official and semi-official wire say that he has been collecting
information and trying to access the archives in the libraries, important libraries, national libraries, Mashhad, the Shrine of Imam Reza, the Eighth
Imam of Shia Library which is important for the Iranologists and researchers.
So based on the text we read about him in The Wires, he has been only curious (ph) to collect information. But he is accused of being a spy
because he has been connected to the institutes and research centers which Iranian regime doesn't regard as impartial or investigations only. They
tried to associate the research center here has been working for years to the CIA and other intelligent services.
So for Iranian authorities, he is a man who knows too much and tries to have access to something that they regard as a sensitive issue.
VAUGHAN JONES: Nevertheless, it's a very heavy sentence of 10 years in jail. I assume he is going to appeal. What are his chances of having that
MOSTAGHIMIS: If I may say, I'm very pessimistic about it and he has no chance because the president shows that in the past also we have the same
cases and the maximum jail for the spy suspects are 10 years. So he has received the maximum for doing nationals (ph). So -- and the experience in
the past show that there is no chance for him to appeal. He is a loser in the court.
VAUGHAN JONES: Well, let's move on to another story, also coming out of the Iran this evening. We're hearing that the president, the Iranian
President's brother has been arrested, for what?
MOSTAGHIMIS: He is -- I mean, he has been accused of financial irregularities and corruptions, embezzlements. He has been under the
monitor of the judiciary branch, the rival of President Rouhani and reform- minded politicians. So, each of these two factions, reformists and hard liners or the principals as they call themselves, they have similar
corresponding to each other one-to-one point corruption case.
For example, President Rouhani has several cases against the hard liners regarding the oil contracts. And on the same token, they have also Hossein
Fereidoun, his brother under their monitor and they suppose they can put him in jail. But as you know, he has been bailed out today afternoon after
So this is corruptions against corruptions.
VAUGHAN JONES: We thank you very much for updating with the latest there from Iran, Ramin Mostaghim, a journalist for the "Los Angeles Times".
Thank you very much indeed, sir.
Now South Korea is changing direction when it comes to its northern neighbor. Its Unification Minister says still want to open the door for
talks. The Defense Ministry asked officials from the North to meet on Friday in a demilitarized zone along their border. The North, as we
understand, has not yet responded.
The South Korea's new president did campaign on taking an open, a diplomatic approach to Pyongyang and he says the situation has reached a
The majority of the people north of the border are living in poverty. But in certain places, you can buy anything your heart desires in North Korea.
There's a catch though, it's cash-only and the profits could go to an illegal nuclear weapons program.
David McKenzie explains.
DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Premium liquor stores stacked five rows high, imported shoes, expensive perfumes, rare images of
a luxury department store inside North Korea, part of a yearlong investigation by a website, NK Pro, a specialist North Korea watch out.
[15:25:04] (on camera): Who is the target market of these luxury items in Pyongyang?
KIM KWANG-JIN, NORTH KOREAN DEFACTOR: Foreigners and rich guys of Pyongyang.
MCKENZIE (voice-over): How rich? Yes, you can buy $ 4000 watch and it's cash-only. Rich North Koreans paying in $100,000 notes, a diplomat says
who used to shop there.
North Korean defector Kim Kwang-jin helps get illicit goods into the country. He says the store is only-cash into Office 39, a secretive
organization that the U.S. Treasury says works as a slush fund for Kim Jong-un.
North Koreans working abroad, hotels in Pyongyang, tourist dollars, all of it a sprawling mafia style cash earner with their supreme leader.
KWANG-JIN: Most profitable businesses. The best companies are all belonged to Office number 39 and it is Kim family business. It's not
belonged to the Cabinet. It's not belonged to the state control.
MCKENZIE (voice-over): He says the luxury stores keep rich party members loyal to Kim Jong-un, and that the hundreds of millions of dollars in
revenue help fund Kim's nuclear ambitions.
KWANG-JIN: They earn a lot of dollars and foreign cash from these luxurious department stores by selling all these goods and they reallocate
these dollars into their priorities like nuclear missile profit.
MCKENZIE (on camera): So a luxury purchase could help build a missile?
KWANG-JIN: Sure. Yes.
MCKENZIE (on camera): U.N. sanction banned many luxury goods from getting into North Korea, but Office 39 works in complex ways, using multiple
fronts. The Trump administration wants to cut off the money flow.
MCKENZIE (voice-over): Just how worried of the North Koreans? Well, they're building a brand-new golden mall in the heart of Pyongyang.
David McKenzie, CNN Seoul.
VAUGHAN JONES: And still to come here on the WORLD RIGHT NOW, a CNN exclusive. We'll take you inside the world of the wives of ISIS.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Were you looking for a man when you went to Raqqa?
NICK PATON WALSH: How come you found one just like you moved into a house and, oh, my god, who is this guy next door?
MAY: I think God sent him to me.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VAUGHAN JONES: The women who married into the extremist group share stories of their harrowing past and their hopes for the future.
Plus health care is on hold as the top Senate Republican recovers from surgery. But could John McCain's condition is being more serious than
first thought? CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta joins me next.
[15:30:05] HANNAH VAUGHAN JONES, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back to the program.
As the fight against ISIS has intensified, the extremists who are killed often leave their wives in a strange state of limbo. Many of those young
women chose to travel to ISIS territory in hopes of marrying a fighter, so are they innocent victims desperate to be rescued or complicit actors in a
violent extremist group or both? Here is CNN's Nick Paton Walsh.
NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Don't kid yourself, they saw the videos. Girls, mothers, some who married
into ISIS, who knew what they were about but still came.
Now, jailed in a refugee camp, stuck in limbo as ISIS collapses, trying to go home. They want your party and that you believe them when they say it
was all, all of it, a huge mistake.
PATON WALSH (on camera): They use women for sex.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. It's very disgusting.
PATON WALSH (voice-over): Three Indonesian sisters say they paid thousands of dollars to get here, lured by the false promise of free health care and
schools, but ended up living off selling their jewelry and paying thousands to get smuggled out. It just wasn't as pure a caliphate as they expected.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They say they want to be (INAUDIBLE). They want to jihad for the sake of Allah, but what they think -- what they want is only
about women and sex. It's disgusting. It makes us want to --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I heard that if they marry a widow, they will get thousands dollars.
PATON WALSH (voice-over): Single women arrivals like them kept in a commune while they look for husbands.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The manner of the women inside the dorm is very different. It's very far from Islam, harsh manner, gossiping, shout each
other, backbiting and fighting between the women. And, oh, I was very surprised when I see that.
PATON WALSH (voice-over): Siddha (ph) explains the dorm is a bit like Tinder.
SIDDHA (PH) (through translator): When the woman arrives in this dormitory, she makes a sort of C.V., puts down her age, her name, how her
personality is like, what she looks for in a man. And men also posts their CVs.
PATON WALSH (through translator): This is like the Tinder of the caliphate?
SIDDHA (PH) (through translator): Yes, it's dating. So you meet, you talk for 15, 20 minutes, and it's a yes or no. If they both agree, then they
get married. It's very quick.
PATON WALSH (voice-over): She says she came for charity work but her husband was killed the second time they flee. She's as appalled by the
Paris terror attacks as she was by the coalition bombing of Raqqa. She just wants to go back to France.
SIDDHA (PH) (through translator): I love life. I love to work. I love my jeans. I love my makeup. I love my parents.
The only thing I want is to go back. I'm not far from the beach. I used to go to the beach every weekend in a bikini.
PATON WALSH (through translator): In a bikini?
SIDDHA (PH) (through translator): Yes, in a bikini.
PATON WALSH (voice-over): May (ph) is a Syrian English teacher whose first husband was killed by a sniper in Homs and says she was traveling to Turkey
when she was waylaid in Raqqa where she met and married a Moroccan, Belav (ph).
PATON WALSH (on camera): Were you looking for a man when you went to Raqqa?
MAY (PH): No.
PATON WALSH (on camera): But how come you found one?
MAY (PH): I'm just --
PATON WALSH (on camera): Just like you're moving to your house and, oh, my God, who is this guy next door.
MAY (PH): I think that happened to me.
PATON WALSH (on camera): Right, right.
PATON WALSH (voice-over): She says ISIS spokesman Abu Muhammad Adnani knew Belav (ph) and allowed him not to fight. He is now in jail. She is
disapproving of less purer love stories.
PATON WALSH (on camera): Did you hear other stories of women here who came looking for husbands?
MAY (PH): They looked to the European men that they -- they are here in ISIS. They are strong men, you know, with guns and they can protect them.
It's an idea that's just like movies. Many of them more was very shocked because they -- when they get married from a man, you know, three, four
days, one month and they divorced.
I know a woman, she was married six times. And after three days, she go to court and ask the judge to divorce her from him. And when the judge asked
her, why you want divorce? And that man say that she prevent him from making any, you know, sexual, you know.
PATON WALSH (on camera): Oh, I see.
MAY (PH): And she say, I can't accept him all the time thinking of my dying husband. And they ask -- the judge ask her, so why you got married
from him if you don't want him? And he say, I will send you to the prison and will, you know, cut you. Then she was crying, oh, no, it's the last
time, I promise.
PATON WALSH (voice-over): Her husband was once arrested for smoking by the religious police. And because they won't talk to women, she had literally
enter a man's world to get him out of jail.
MAY (PH): And you know what I -- it was a crazy idea. I just put my husband clothes, his shoes, and his -- you know, that beard and I covered
my eyes with that black glasses and then I lend a gun from my neighbor. I take it from him and I take my boy, and let's go to the police park.
[15:35:05] PATON WALSH (on camera): Can you give me a man voice now?
MAY (PH): Yes. Yes, of course.
PATON WALSH (on camera): That's how men sound, just like you did.
PATON WALSH (voice-over): These stories decide their fate here, whether they stay in limbo or go home.
MAY (PH): I think that you don't believe me.
MAY (PH): Worth it (ph), you know. I speak the language more than most.
PATON WALSH (on camera): Yes.
MAY (PH): Don't you feel that there's a trust in my eyes?
PATON WALSH (on camera): Yes. Your husband, what if you will never see him again?
MAY (PH): I want someone to kill me because I can't kill myself. It's suicide and I can't commit suicide. Just kill me.
PATON WALSH (voice-over): Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, Ayn Issa, northern Syria.
VAUGHAN JONES: Extraordinary reporting there from Nick. Now, back now to the Russia controversy that's dogging the White House.
Mr. Trump is trying to explain away the latest bombshell about his son meeting with a Russian attorney last year. E-mails show Donald Trump, Jr.
was told the meeting was part of a Kremlin effort to help his father's campaign. The President is facing backlash at home and abroad for his
Today, a German politician running for Chancellor against Angela Merkel took issue with Mr. Trump saying, quote, that most politicians would have
gone to that meeting in order to get info on an opponent.
Martin Schulz tweeted, I wouldn't have gone there. This is not politics.
Well, one of Mr. Trump's top legislative priorities is now on hold again, this time because of the health of a key senator. Republican leaders need
John McCain's vote to advance the bill that would overhaul health care, but they were taken by surprise when he revealed he had surgery and won't be
returning to Washington this week.
Let's bring in CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent now, Dr. Sanjay Gupta.
Dr. Gupta, thanks for joining us. You are a neurosurgeon. You can explain this surgery. It's been told as if it's a routine procedure, but it could
be a lot more serious than what we are being told.
DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. I think the initial descriptions really made it sound pretty minor, you know, just an
incision around the eyebrow and removing a blood clot.
What we know now, Hannah, is that -- in fact, if you feel your eyebrow, you could feel that bone behind your eyebrow -- that bone was removed as part
of this procedure to gain access to his brain, where the blood collection was actually within the brain. That's what we are now being told.
Just to give you an idea here, this is a skull. You know, so it's this bone over here that we're talking about. And if you remove a portion of
this bone -- well, it was put back afterwards, but removed, you can actually gain access to this part of the brain, the left frontal lobe of
the brain over here.
And it was a sizeable collection, sizeable abnormality, Hannah, we're learning as well. About five centimeters, about two inches, which, you
know, is pretty large.
We don't know what kind of symptoms, specifically, Senator McCain was having, but he's 80 years old. They thought it was warranted to take this
out, have him undergo general anesthesia in this operation.
So we'll be getting some results shortly, I think within the next couple days, of what we're dealing with here. But that -- it was, you know, a
more invasive procedure, I think, than was initially described.
VAUGHAN JONES: Yes. And of course, we all wish Senator McCain well. And obviously, the Republicans particularly in the House need him back there,
back in work quickly, but what is the typical recovery time for this kind of craniotomy?
GUPTA: You know, I think -- you know, there's no hard and fast rules, Hannah, with this sort of thing. He is 80 years old but he is, you know,
very tough, no question about it. It sort of depends a little bit on what this is ultimately.
You may know, Hannah, that he's had a history, a significant history of melanoma, a type of skin cancer. And his most recent melanoma, an invasive
one, was in this area of his body, you know, left temple area.
So if this is somehow related to that -- we don't know that it is, but if there is some relationship there, that could prolong the recovery. It
could prolong the follow up visits he needs with his doctors, and he may need further treatments.
So if it's just a blood collection and removed and he is having no problems, you know, typically, a couple of weeks is a standard recovery
before he is, you know, starting to approach a hundred percent again.
VAUGHAN JONES: You point out that he is 80 years old. Senator McCain is also one of the most prominent, most visible Republicans in Congress as
well. Are there any symptoms, anything visible, that the rest could have seen on him or that anyone else would have noticed that would have drawn
their attention to this blood clot?
GUPTA: Well, it's -- it can be a variety of symptoms sometimes, or sometimes no symptoms at all.
Sometimes people may have headache, which is a vague symptom but it can be an important one. Sometimes people can have weakness on one side of the
body. It would be on the right side of the body if the blood collection is on the left side of the brain.
But, you know, again, these are sort of vague symptoms typically. It's hard to pinpoint.
I will tell you, Hannah, that they -- the hospital said that he came in for a routine visit. There was no particular thing that drew him to the
hospital, something that he was complaining about. The routine visit probably was just in the follow up for his melanoma.
[15:40:03] They do standard follow ups to make sure there's no evidence of recurrence or spread or anything like that. So he didn't seem to have any
symptoms of which he was complaining that caused the scan to be done.
VAUGHAN JONES: OK. Well, always good to get your insights. Dr. Sanjay Gupta, thank you very much indeed.
GUPTA: You got it, Hannah. Thank you.
VAUGHAN JONES: Well, this is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Do stay with us. A CNN exclusive on next.
Our Max Foster spends the day with Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, and get the rare opportunity to hear, in her own words, how she's helping
victims of domestic abuse.
VAUGHAN JONES: Welcome back. You are watching THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
Now, to a CNN exclusive, an interview with the wife of Prince Charles as Camilla celebrates her 70th birthday. Her voice is rarely heard on camera,
but the Duchess of Cornwall took time out of a busy schedule of events to speak with CNN's Max Foster.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What you do, you think back seven then you set forward with your left foot, leaders?
MAX FOSTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A few dancing tips for the guests of a tea party is Bristol in aid of those who support the elderly.
Then a special guest arrives.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So I'm going to introduce you, Ma'am, to some of the people. Come over here.
FOSTER (voice-over): The Duchess would have been retired herself if she didn't have a job for life.
CAMILLA ROSEMARY MOUNTBATTEN-WINDSOR, DUCHESS OF CORNWALL: Hello, parishioners. How are you?
FOSTER (on camera): It's important members of the royal family like the Duchess to be meeting the public, be relevant to their lives but also to be
seen to be relevant to their lives, which is why, we the media, are here.
FOSTER (voice-over): Camilla is the friendliest member of the royal family if you speak to the members of the press pack follow here.
I've never seen here take it this far, though. She's hit the dance floor with one of the photographers, Arthur Edwards of "The Sun."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was so delighted to meet her. And I thought, what a gentle, delightful woman she is actually.
MOUNTBATTEN-WINDSOR: Thank you very much for all you do. And thank you very much to my dance partners.
MOUNTBATTEN-WINDSOR: Who've danced well. I hope you're expecting it. I would have put on my dancing shoes have I known.
FOSTER (voice-over): Then we're off to a very different engagement.
MOUNTBATTEN-WINDSOR: They have no idea --
FOSTER (voice-over): A shelter for victims of domestic violence.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's just over two years now since my two sons were taken by their father with a fire. He barricaded them in. All I could do
was hold them as they died. And it's every parents' worst nightmare not to see to be there when they need you the most.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Since 2002, he attacked me with a blue torch, a three-day torture of knives and broken glass.
MOUNTBATTEN-WINDSOR: So you knew more ravages rather than mess --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Absolutely.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Absolutely.
MOUNTBATTEN-WINDSOR: It's only outwards.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Absolutely.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
MOUNTBATTEN-WINDSOR: It's not going to go away.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lizzy (ph) is one of our directors.
[15:45:00] FOSTER (voice-over): The shelter is run by a charity and funds are low. The Duchess speaks to staff to find out how they're coping. I
managed to grab a word with her as she made her way around.
FOSTER (on camera): You've heard some incredibly powerful stories today. What are you able to bring to these sorts of conversations?
MOUNTBATTEN-WINDSOR: Well, I'm not sure what I'm able to bring. It's what all these very brave ladies tell me. It's seeing is believing, or hearing
is believing. I think, like many other people in this country, I don't know much about domestic abuse. In fact, I knew nothing at all though I've
read a bit about it.
And I think that -- I went to visit another charity called SafeLives where, again, I sat around, listening to some very brave ladies tell their
stories. And I think everybody there was moved to tears. And I thought as I came out, I thought, you know, I just wish there was something I could do
to help them.
FOSTER (on camera): You're able to coordinate groups --
MOUNTBATTEN-WINDSOR: Well, that's what --
FOSTER (on camera): -- bring publicity.
MOUNTBATTEN-WINDSOR: That's what I'm trying to do, is to bring everybody together to coordinate and to get them talking so they come up with the
ideas. I think we can talk as well to boost the subject, and I think we can talk about it now.
And if can I can talk about it and bang the drum a bit, so can a lot of other people. So that's what I'm trying to do to help. But again, seeing
these wonderful people that do the hard work and my goodness, me! I do admire them more. They are from this incredible lot of ladies.
And you have the ladies who are talking today, telling their stories. Well, you have to be very brave to stand up and tell -- you know, talk
about all these terrible things that happened to you. Anyway, I can only hope that someday we can make it better.
FOSTER (on camera): Thank you for speaking.
MOUNTBATTEN-WINDSOR: OK. Bye.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you.
FOSTER (voice-over): This, we think, is the longest she's ever spoken on camera. It's an issue she cares deeply about.
FOSTER (on camera): We've been allowed into the convoy and we're heading to the Duchess' third engagement in a matter of hours.
MOUNTBATTEN-WINDSOR: Hello. How are you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good to see you.
MOUNTBATTEN-WINDSOR: Are you enjoying your day?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Very much so.
FOSTER (voice-over): She's visiting a row of independent shops. A bite of chocolate, perhaps not that easy to enjoy in front of a bank of cameras
FOSTER (voice-over): And a brush with the public. The visit was unannounced for security reasons and came as quite a surprise.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All the Post Office ladies were like, oh, she's coming. I was just, like, she was in -- by the charity shop. I was like, wow!
She's amazing. She is one of a kind. She's really, really good.
FOSTER (voice-over): There's no doubt the British public has warmed to Camilla in the 12 years that she's been married to Prince Charles, each
engagement bringing her a little closer to the public and connecting her with them.
This day is not done just yet, though. She's off to London for another engagement.
FOSTER (voice-over): Max Foster, CNN, Bristol, England.
VAUGHAN JONES: Coming up, a new role model for little girls around the world. For the first time, Dr. Who will be played by a woman.
VAUGHAN JONES: Now, we all use power but generating electricity can be a dirty business. As nations say they want to limit harmful emissions, our
Nina dos Santos looks at where the nuclear power could be the answer.
[15:50:07] NINA DOS SANTOS, CNNMONEY EUROPE EDITOR (voice-over): Beneath the vectors of the Kazakh Steppe is one of the country's largest uranium
mines. Forty-eight kilometers wide, the metal below workers' feet is valuable and controversial.
Ten years ago, uranium prices peaked to the $136 per pound. Today's prices are more around the $20-mark. But good future energy policy reversed the
trend in the next few years.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): We pump sulfuric acid into the ground and it dissolves the uranium. We pump out the liquid for
DOS SANTOS (voice-over): Kazakhstan is the world's largest producer of uranium, the key ingredient to nuclear fuel. About 40 percent of global
supply comes from mines like this one owned by the state-run company, KazAtomProm.
RIAZ RIVZI, CHIEF COMMERCIAL DIRECTOR, KAZATOMPROM: If you look at current nuclear generation, it's about 11 percent of global power production and
less than one percent of CO2 emissions. And without nuclear, it's very hard to see how we would be able to achieve the targets that have been set
for 2013 and 2015.
DOS SANTOS (voice-over): Those targets are from the Paris agreement to address climate change. A hundred and 52 countries, so far, have pledged
to keep global warming well below two degrees. That means weaning ourselves off fossil fuels.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are getting a powerful earthquake that has hit Japan --
DOS SANTOS (voice-over): But the Fukushima disaster in Japan in 2011 has had serious consequences for the nuclear industry. And six years after
Fukushima, only five of Japan's 42 nuclear reactors are operating.
DOS SANTOS (on camera): And there lies the trickiest issue with nuclear power. Trust.
Science is on its side when it comes to carbon emissions. In fact, they're relatively low in nuclear energy production. But can the public be
convinced that greater investment is necessarily.
RIVZI: So over the next four years, we're going to see 60 new reactors, and it's places like UAE, China, Jordan. The estimates are anywhere
between 30 and 60 percent increase in nuclear basic generation from today, so there is a lot of growth.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): This is the filtration board. We bring the uranium solution here to filter it for processing.
DOS SANTOS (voice-over): What's left is this, uranium oxide, more commonly known as yellow cake. When enriched, it's used in nuclear field powers and
More than a billion people still live without electricity, according to the International Energy Agency. And it may be the reason nuclear power and
the price of uranium makes some resurgence in the years to come.
VAUGHAN JONES: Nina dos Santos there. Now, it was a dramatic moment in time.
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VAUGHAN JONES: BBC announced on Sunday that Jodie Whittaker will become the first woman to play Dr. Who.
Sarah Doran is the communities editor at RadioTimes.com and joins me now in the studio.
It's fantastic. She's smashed this glass ceiling but yet not everyone is happy.
SARAH DORAN, COMMUNITIES EDITOR, RADIOTIMES.COM: No, I will say the overwhelming majority of the fans have responded very positively. I think
we can say 80 percent of those on Twitter were really very forward.
About 20 percent, really not happy. And I think that's why Jodie Whittaker, when she gave her first interview, kind of felt the need to say,
don't be scared by my gender. Which I think is a little bit sad that she had to say that. Why? You know.
VAUGHAN JONES: Yes. She should be celebrating the fact that she's a fantastic actress.
VAUGHAN JONES: And she's following in the footsteps of David Tenant as well, who, of course, she starred in "Broad Church" with -- alongside him
as well. You mentioned Twitter so I've just got some --
VAUGHAN JONES: I've just got to mention some of the reactions that we've been seeing on Twitter as well. People are sort of taking it tongue in
cheek approach to it, to the fact there's been outrage over a Time Lady, over a Time Lord.
Your dad thinks Dr. Who being a woman spoils the realism of someone traveling space and time in a phone box, fighting bins with plungers on
VAUGHAN JONES: And, oh, great, a female Dr. Who. What next, female real doctors, female pilots, female women?
So, you know, these are just some of the things that we're getting on Twitter as well.
DORAN: It's been excellent. There's been quite degree of self-policing, I suppose, going on --
VAUGHAN JONES: Yes.
DORAN: -- within the fan groups where I think a lot of the times, they're turning around and saying, come on, two hearts, two ovaries, what's the
[15:55:02] VAUGHAN JONES: Sarah, hang on. I'm going to have to stop you there because I'm afraid Donald Trump, the U.S. President, is in the White
House at the moment and we've got some live pictures of him. It is, of course, "Made in America" week. Let's listen.
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: -- will say what we've done over a short period of time and what we're going to be doing over the next
six months will be incredible.
We've signed more bills, and I'm talking about through the legislature, than any president ever. For a while, Harry Truman had us.
And now, I think we have everybody, Mike. I better say "think," otherwise, they'll give you Pinocchio.
TRUMP: And I don't like those -- I don't like Pinocchios.
TRUMP: In just a few moments, I'll be signing a presidential proclamation to launch Made in America Week and to make today Made in America Day.
We are thrilled to be joined today by so many incredible members of my cabinet. Every member of my administration shares the same goal, to
provide a level playing field for American workers and for American industry.
TRUMP: And we are providing it much faster than other countries would like. So it's been really a pleasure.
We want to build, create, and grow more products in our country using American labor, American goods, and American grit.
When we purchase products made in the USA, the profits stay here. The revenue stays here. And the jobs, maybe most importantly of all, they stay
right here in the USA. In the audience today --
TRUMP: In the audience today, we have skilled workers. We have business leaders whose American made goods we're proudly displaying all over the
White House and outside.
I saw fire engines. I saw tractors from Caterpillar. I saw some incredible machinery. Make it right here.
We thank you for being here. We're honored to showcase your creations. And I will say, they've really taken on.
And some of you have built names that I know of for so long. And it's -- congratulations, right? You in particular. What a great job you've done.
Thank you very much.
And I saw you on television this morning. You were fantastic. I don't know what you're doing exactly but you could always have a second career.
You did a great job. Thank you very much.
American workers, farmers, and innovators are really the best in the world. We know that. And what we're doing that is we're displaying those talents.
You construct and harvest the product that fill our homes, feed our families, and defend our nation and enrich our lives. I want to make a
pledge to each and every one of you. No longer are we going to allow other countries to break the rules, steal our jobs, and drain our wealth.
And it has been drained. It has been drained.
TRUMP: You're going to see a lot of things happening over the next six months. You know, statutorily and through a lot of different legal --
through the legal process.
It takes a while to get it set so that you are allowed to do it. You are not allowed to do it, but we've now mostly fulfilled all of that.
And over the next short period of time, you're going to see things announced that you won't even believe for our country and for selling
product in our country and making product in our country and things that are great for American jobs. You're going to be seeing that happening
really quickly because we are totally set up.
And the hard part now is done. It is a long, horrible process, but we're going to also get rid of some of that process for the future. But we're
going to stand up for our companies and maybe most importantly, for our workers.
For decades, Washington has allowed other nations to wipe out millions of American jobs through unfair trade practices. Wait until you see what's up
for you. You are going to be so happy.
This painful exodus of American jobs -- and I've been talking about it for years -- was also marked by a period of sluggish growth, falling incomes,
surging welfare, and shrinking participation in the workforce.
Clearly, it's time for a new policy, one defined by two simple rules. We will buy American and we will hire American. Right, Governor?
TRUMP: My administration is removing the burdens and regulations on your companies so that you can compete, thrive, and grow. How many of you have
noticed this so far because it's a big, big difference, right? That's a big, big difference.
[16:00:03] The people who are coming up to me, they can't even believe it. We took the farmers' land away. We took the home builders' land away.
They have their land back now and they're building homes and they are farming their farms.