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Trump and Putin Met a Second Time at G20 Summit; Eighth Person at Trump Jr. Meeting Identified; Trump's Reluctant Iran Acceptance; Calls for a Day of Rage Over Israel Security Measures; Minneapolis Shooting; Woman Detained Over Miniskirt; Brexit Face-Off; Introducing the Hijabi Emoji; We're All Believers. Aired 11a-12p ET
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Let Obamacare fail. Let Obamacare fail and let Obamacare fail.
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BECKY ANDERSON, CNN HOST: Well, it looks more like it's Donald Trump who is failing, failing on the healthcare, failing on making friends, and
failing on sticking to his campaign promises, like for example, going hard on Iran.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We believe that you feel offense would be a threat for our security.
ANDERSON: The American president isn't fine that bodies had to accept it for latest (Inaudible) plan for Iran, just ahead this hour. Plus, the BBC
in the U.K. is paying women way less than men. We're going to speak to the head news at what is the world's biggest public roller coaster. That's
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ANDERSON: Hello and welcome, this is Connect the World. I'm Becky Anderson in Abu Dhabi. It's just after 7:00 here. Now, Donald Trump has a
list of problems as long as your arm.
From the Kremlin to Tehran, healthcare to highways in six long months in the White House, the American president has found it hard to recap any wins
We'll in trouble all of that, once again, he's getting distracted from his policy agenda by the drip, drip of revelations on Russia.
Today, Mister Trump is on the defensive about his second meeting Vladimir Putin, we just learned about at the G-20 summit this month.
Now, it was no brief hello in the hallway and no other U.S. officials were there, not even an American translator, a highly unusual departure from
tragically. CNN's Joe Johns has the details.
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JOE JOHNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: President Trump lashing out, calling coverage of his previously undisclosed second meeting with Russian
President Vladimir Putin sick and alleging has been made to look sinister.
A senior White House official told CNN the discussion on the sidelines of a G20 dinner lasted nearly an hour and no other U.S. officials were present.
Ignoring protocol, the president relied on a Russian translator leaving the U.S. with no official record of their conversation.
The White House, downplaying the second encounter, asserting the insinuation that the White House has tried to hide a second meeting is
false, malicious and absurd, this new revelation -- the latest in a string of undisclosed meetings between Trump associates and Russians.
SEN. RICHARD BLUMENTHAL (D), CONNECTICUT: This kind of private meeting is virtually unprecedented in the diplomatic world. There seems to be a
pattern of reckless or willful concealment of contacts with the Russians.
JOHNS: This meeting comes into light as CNN learns new details about the eighth person in attendance at the June 2016 meeting where top Trump aides
hope to get damaging information about Hillary Clinton from the Russian government.
That man, Ike Kaveladze seen behind the president in 2013. In this exclusive video obtained by CNN, as a senior vice president at a real
estate development company run by Russian oligarch, Aras Agalarov who has ties to Putin.
SCOTT BALBER, AGALAROV FAMILY ATTORNEY: There was absolutely no conversation between either Agalarov and the Russian prosecutors or the
Russian government that Hillary Clinton with the U.S. campaign ever. It didn't happen.
JOHNS: According to his attorney, Kaveladze, believe he was attending a meeting as a translator for a Russian lawyer, despite the fact that she
brought a translator with her.
In 2000, Kaveladze was linked to U.S. bank accounts that came under congressional investigation for possible money-laundering on behalf of
Russian brokers. He was not charged.
SEN. MARK WARNER (D), VIRGINIA: This individual who's at least had a colorful past is not a potentially criminal. It is very strange to me that
this meeting that was supposed to be originally was related as three or four people about Russian adoptions.
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ANDERSON: Well, we are live tonight in the U.S. for you and in Russia as you'll expect White House reporter Stephen Collinson is out with us today
out of Washington and Senior International Correspondent Matthew Chance is in Moscow.
Matthew, stand by. Stephen, fake news story is the quick dinner with Putin is quote, sick, says Trump in a tweet. This morning all G-20 leaders about
this were invited, press new, exclamation mark, false, malicious and absurd is the response from Trump's lot.
[11:05:00] Explain why this matters and why it's important?
STEPHEN COLLINSON, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: All right, so Donald Trump really was he's doing there -- he's answering a question that no one is
asking. No one is saying that this meeting was a secret.
There was this dinner with the G-20 leaders and it is not that unusual for a U.S. president who takes a side of another foreign leader and chat to
them. It's someone unusual. There wasn't a U.S. representative, a U.S. translator but it's not unprecedented.
Have this been -- Trump talking to Angela Merkel of Germany, this wouldn't be a big deal but it's the identity of the two people involved that's
causing such as a stare off-road. Donald Trump is a very inexperienced world leader.
He is someone we know doesn't have a lot of experience in grasp of detail. He is going up against the Mazda player of the great game of international
politics, a former KGB trained operative and this is someone who is being accused of interfering in the U.S. election who elect Donald Trump.
The length of this meeting as well, an hour-long meeting, pull-aside in a three hour dinner, you can imagine if you were Merkel or French President
Emmanuel Macron, wondering perhaps why Donald Trump was speaking to someone who many people see as an adversary at the West for so long and not an
And the fact that the White House didn't tell us about this before -- they did tell us about a two hour meeting with Trump and Tillerson, the
secretary of state at the G-20 with Putin but there were differing explanations from the Russians and the Americans about that meeting.
So there is so much intrigue surrounding this. This doesn't look good and it is another sort of piece of evidence about the strange fixation...
COLLINSON: ... almost with -- between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin.
ANDERSON: Well, they're known for blown is how -- the Russians have described much of what is this drip feed of allegation over sort of Russian
conspiracy and on the meeting that Don Jr. had in New York with some Russian assets and describes by, I think it was Lavrov, Matthew, as an
elephant out of the fly. What have you got?
MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, sort of elephant who fly to Russian idiom (Inaudible), molehill that kind of thing.
It basically talks to the idea, the Russians think this whole thing has been overplayed. At least that's what their public position is.
They distanced themselves when you're talking about that meeting with Trump Junior in Trump Tower in New York last June. They've distanced themselves
from any of the -- the players that have emerged that will define that meeting, particularly the lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya who was described
to Trump Jr. in an e-mail as Russian government lawyer.
They say he'd never even heard of her. And so, they've -- they try put as much as they say, distance as they can between any suggestion that they
sent the -- this lawyer with information about Hillary Clinton that could be used by the Trump campaign as it was then to discredit their physical
And again, they -- they are playing than the idea that this meeting that took place during the dinner, the G-20 was excessive, if anything
significant as well. In fact, the day after the meeting took place that the Kremlin suggested that there have been a conversation at the dinner.
So they haven't actually been sort of denying it but we haven't heard anything from them so far about what was actually discussed whether it's
substantive or not.
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NATALIA VESELNITSKAYA, RUSSIAN LAWYER (through a translator): Let's put it this way, I'm ready to clarify the situation in today's mass hysteria only
within the legal field through lawyers or by testifying in the Senate.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE, (through a translator): You are ready to go to the Senate?
VESELNITSKAYA, (through a translator): Yes, if I'm guaranteed safety. Today, I have to think about my safety first and of my family, my four
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CHANCE: Well, that -- that was the Russian lawyer who met with Donald Trump Jr., Natalia Veselnitskaya. She has consistently said that since
that meeting that she was there to talk about adoptions in Russia and to talk about getting the Magnitsky Act repealed, which is an active Russia --
sorry about U.S. law.
Which aims to punish suspected human rights abuses corrupt officials, and she denies having any the information Clinton that she was intending to
ANDERSON: Fascinating stuff. All right, Stephen, while, Russia continues to dug the administration in the U.S., things not looking any better for
the president on the health care from either, are they?
He's meeting with Republican senator, I believe in the next hour. Republican leaders admit they don't have the votes to pass what is this
Obamacare repeal. And he's out -- President Trump says he wants to handle it.
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TRUMP: Let Obamacare fail. It will be a lot easier. And I think were probably end a position where we just let Obamacare fail. We're not going
to own it. I'm not going to own it. I can tell you the Republicans, they're not going to own it.
[11:10:00] We'll let Obamacare fail and then the Democrats are going to come to us, and they're going to day, how do we fix it. How do we fix it
or how do we come up with a new plan.
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ANDERSON: With the president seem is truly washing his hands of this issue. Why would he have this lunch meeting with senators?
COLLINSON: Good question. I think there's a lot of anger going around in the Republican Party right now. After all, it has tried for seven years to
repeal Obamacare and made this the central rationale of escapes to voters in successive elections.
I think there is a lot of blend game. I think there's a good chance that Donald Trump and his (Inaudible), tweeted about this. Basically saying,
Republicans have to live up to their promises. I think there is a lot -- one sense in which he is blaming the Congress from not being able to get
this done rather to himself.
Even though there's a lot of people in Capitol Hill who think Donald Trump's intervention in this -- this push to pass Obamacare repeal was very
lacking. I think is kind of fascinating what he said there.
He said he's going to let Obamacare fail. That gives us some insight into his own character. Donald Trump really wasn't interested in what were the
details of this Bill. He has never really -- since he was president given any impression that he cares that much about the healthcare choices that
people will have under the bill.
He just wanted a big win. He could be saying by let -- baseline I'm going to let this fail. Putting pressure on Republicans to likely come together
and do something calling their bluff, if you like.
To me it's almost -- I mean it's a very cynical statement in many ways. It's almost unbelievable that the President of the United States will
standby while millions of Americans lost their healthcare. Just from a political perspective, that doesn't seem to be a very smart thing to do.
But I think it shows the way that the president looks at his job. He's less serious to be serving as the present, but he looks at everything
through his own political prism and think it's very insightful that comment. But it tells us a lot about how he sees the presidency at this
ANDERSON: To both of you, Washington and Moscow, viewers today, we thank you. We will be been touching on. And while many in Washington see
Russia as world power, Mister Trump needs to get tough.
The U.S. president as another country in his sights, on the campaign trail, he called the Iranian nuclear deal the worst in the world, remember?
So far, we'll still intact. Indeed this week, White House albeit reluctantly said that Iran was complying with the terms of that agreement.
But is it a sign that the Trump administration is by no means sauntering a fresh round of sanctions was slapped on Iranian entity and has accused of
helping the Revolutionary god sparking promises of retaliation in kind by Tehran.
When another campaign pledge 40 for now but is this that Trump were likely to get his way in the end. I'm talking Iran, here is Barbara Slavin from
the Future of Iran initiative at the Atlantic Council joins me from Washington.
The Iranian foreign minister was in New York early this week and I know that you met with him with a small group of journalists. What was the key
take away for you from that meeting?
BARBARA SLAVIN, DIRECTOR, FUTURE OF IRAN INITIATIVE: Well, the Iranians are saying that the United States is really violating the Iran nuclear deal
that was reached two years ago.
And they point in particular, not just to the new sanctions that they point to statements that were made by American spokesman at the G-20 basically
telling other countries that they shouldn't invest in Iran. They shouldn't trade with Iran.
Now of course that the core of the nuclear deal was that Iran agreed to put curbs on its nuclear program in return for economic benefits. So the
Iranians are saying that the United States is violating the deal.
SLAVIN: That said, I think, you know, they understand what Trumps gain is. He is trying to goad them into meeting the agreement and I don't think they
are going to fall into that trap.
ANDERSON: Well, that's fascinating. The Iranian foreign minister -- also I'm speaking to Think Tank Publication, their natural interest this week
and he said to them, that is, White House not Tehran that's violating as you rightly pointed out.
What has you said, the spirit of this deal -- if it comes to a to a major violation, a warning in the terms of the nuclear deal is called significant
nonperformance then Iran has other options available, including withdrawing from the deal. Is that to be understood as a threat? What would Iran gain
from that of it weren't their fault?
SLAVIN: It is a threat. But again, we sort of clarified that with him in New York the other day and I asked him specifically about that. And he
said well, we are not there yet.
There is a body that was created by the nuclear deal called the Joint Commission. It meets periodically its meeting in Vienna later this week
and the Iranians will formally protest what they see as American noncompliance.
[11:15:00] But the deal still suits them. I mean they have managed once again to drive a wedge between the United States and Europe. Because
European countries are -- are very strongly committed to keeping the deal.
So is Russia, so is China. So you know, if the United States were not to certify Iranian compliance, the United States would be isolated, not Iran.
ANDERSON: Yes, this is fascinating and that of course, you know, France has said Total, the oil company, I just want example in the last couple of
weeks to fining a very big deal with the Iranians into the billions. I'm looking to -- we certainly know that European companies are looking to
Look, Michael Flynn was National Security Advisor for less than a month. I'm sure obvious we'll remember his name. I think he was around for about
23 days. It was back in January and in that short time, he hasn't achieve very much but he said this about Iran.
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MICHAEL FLYNN, THEN-U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR: Instead of being thankful to the United States in these agreements, Iran is now feeling
emboldened. As of today, we are officially putting Iran on notice.
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ANDERSON: Probably less than two weeks into the Trump administration. We are now six months and have conflict angering since the very beginning.
SLAVIN: Well, as he rightly pointed out, Donald Trump campaigned against the agreement. He said it was the worst agreement ever negotiated and so
on. He reportedly resisted for a while this whole notion that he had to recertify for the second time that Iran is -- is complying.
Look, I mean there are a lot of differences. The United States has with Iran over many other issues, Iran's military intervention in its neighbors,
its support of the Assad regime in particular.
The fact that it is holding American citizens essentially as hostages, and we just learned this week that a naturalized American from China scholar
from Princeton University is the latest of these hostages to be held.
So there are legitimate differences with Iran but on the nuclear issue, Iran is complying and all we have to do is imagine how much worse the
situation would be if in addition to these other activities that we don't like Iran was also pursuing nuclear weapons.
So you know, I think the Trump administration is very reluctantly coming to the conclusion that the deal should remain and they will find other ways to
show their displeasure with Iran.
ANDERSON: All right. Well, we'll let it remain to be seen. We'll watch this space I guess. Thank you for that. While he was in the U.S. -- the
Iranian foreign minister took the chance to view as to the underline the difference between his country and others in the Middle East. I
ran's elections he says, provide an avenue for citizens to express themselves and that is why, according to the Zarif, Iranians stood in line
for ten hours to vote two months ago.
Now, while Iran is by no means of functioning democracy is ultimately power resides with unelected cleric that was tremendous. The excitement and
energy around that vote, I was there with Connect the World to witness it. And as this story on the wider regional one continues to impact the worlds.
We will continue to take you to the heart of the action. (Inaudible) is a fascinating and complex region. Our next story does just at for you. A
major British rock band prepares to play to a huge crowd in Tel Aviv and ignores cause all a boycott. I'll explain up next.
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ANDERSON: Well, I want to get you to Jerusalem now and Palestinians responding to call for demonstrations over with our new Israeli security
measures at our home site. Israeli authorities installed metal detectors at the Temple Mount, known to Muslims as the noble sanctuary.
After the two Israeli policemen were shot and killed last week near the entrance. Now, Israeli police have clashed with Palestinian near the
Lions' Gate in Jerusalem's old city for several days now. That is where we find our reporter, Ian Lee. Ian, what's the latest there?
IAN LEE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We have seen one security measure earlier in the day, Becky, but by and large, it has been quiet. Like, you pointed
out, these major clashes -- larger clashes tend to take place later at night.
And we're here at Lions' Gate where we have seen a lot of those clashes take place. Those metal detectors are just right around the corner and a
really it centers around it to this latest crisis because you have the walk with this Jordanian who administers all the holy sites on top of the Temple
Mount, also known as the noble sanctuary to Muslims.
They say that this move by Israel is infringing on their rights to that holy spot and so this crisis is continuing and we haven't really seen an
end to it. Although diplomats were hearing right now are trying to find some sort of results to it, before it
ANDERSON: All right. You're up.
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LEE: One could say Radiohead owes a lot to Israel. Well, their breakthrough song Creep initially struggled in the U.K. charts, it
dominated in Israel.
But 25 years later, as the band gears up for concert in Tel Aviv. Some are telling Radiohead, they don't belong here, leaving that call, a Palestinian
led boycott movement known as BDS.
OMAR BARGHOUTI, LEADER, BDS: Radiohead in particular claims to be a progressive group, indeed. They have advocated that human rights in the
Tibet and many other causes. Why not Palestinian rights? It's this double standard that made us focus on Radiohead.
LEE: BDS stands for boycott divestment and sanctions. The group aims to put pressure on Israel for Palestinian rights. Among the choir of voices,
Pink Floyd's Roger Waters who boycotts Israel and recently spoke about Radiohead on Facebook.
ROGER WATERS, CO-FOUNDER, PINK FLOYD: Well first, anybody whose transits to that, life of friends in Radiohead. If only they would actually educate
LEE: Radiohead lead singer Thom Yorke rejects backhaul at a concert in Glasgow. He appears to give fans waving Palestinian flags the middle
finger while repeating (BLEEP).
Yorke expressed his frustration against the BDS controversy in a Rolling Stone interview saying, it's really upsetting that artists I respect think
we are not capable of making a moral decision ourselves.
Radiohead isn't without its support. R.E.M.'s front man Michael Stipe posted on Instagram, I stand with Radiohead and their decision to perform.
Let us hope the dialogue continues hoping to bring the occupation to an end and lead to a peaceful solution.
Israeli officials told CNN, we salute Radiohead for clearly rejecting the hypocrisy and discrimination of those calling to boycott Israel and in the
2014 speech, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu focused on BDS.
BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER: The videos move in is not about legitimate criticism. It is about making Israel illegitimate. It
presents a distorted and twisted picture of Israel visual to the naive and to the ignorant.
[11:25:00] LEE: Netanyahu declared BDS defeated a year ago. But the movement insists, there are on the right side of history.
BARGHOUTI: In one of the song -- Radiohead songs, they have a lyric that says, some things cost more than you realize. I think this will cost
Radiohead more they you realize.
LEE: That cost has yet to be seen by other acts targeted by BDS like Lady Gaga, Elton John and the Rolling Stones, all who ignored the call to
boycott to little or no effect.
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LEE: Well, Becky, that is the other big story that is happening here at the time. And as -- as far as BDS goes, they target Israel through the
arts, through academia, through the economy and while they had some success, in though -- in some of those areas, when it really comes to music
that they have urge other groups to not come here.
They said that there will be repercussions maybe later down the line, but it really hasn't materialized for any of the big acts that have come here.
And as far as coming back here to the other story that were monitoring the old -- this situation were expecting it to pick up later this evening.
But also another day, were going to be watching as Friday when they have the weekend, the Friday prayer. I'm hearing for more calls to protest on
that day as well, Becky.
ANDERSON: Sure. All right, two stories, one out of Jerusalem, and one out of Tel Aviv. Ian, thank you for that. Well, we started our show looking
at some of the U.S. presidents promise is one that dealt with moving an embassy to Jerusalem. You all now remember.
Well, he's never been slow to pledge America first -- America first but it turns out overseas, a lot of people think his policies are all coming in
laugh. A recent poll was found that it doesn't just reflect badly on him but on American's image across the world. My colleague Nic Robertson has a
look at that.
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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Wherever President Trump goes, controversy seems to follow. He is some of the protesters does
in the recent world leaders meeting in Hamburg. New research explains why.
The headline in the Pew Center study is that around the world and in Europe in particular, Trump's policies are unpopular. In 35 of 37 countries
surveyed, confidence in the U.S. president to do the right thing is down, and that's dragging America's overseas image down, too.
Take Germany, host of the G20 and the protests. Confidence fell a massive 75 points compared to the final years of President Obama. Other shockers
include South Korea, another ally, down 71 points, France, a close friend, down 70 points, Canada, a neighbor, down 61 points, and so, the list goes
The only countries to buck the downward trend are Israel, up seven points, and Russia, a statistical outlier, up 42 points. Issues of concern include
a border wall with Mexico, withdrawing from international trade agreements and the global climate agreement, as well as Trump's Muslim travel ban.
The majority of the 40,448 respondents said Trump was arrogant, intolerant, dangerous, with just over half saying he is a strong leader. The White
House has yet to respond. Despite Trump tanking in the global rating, America's popularity as a nation is buoyed by its culture, its democracy,
But in another blow to Trump, both the presidents of Russia and China were judged more likely to do the right thing on global affairs than him. Nic
Robertson, CNN, London.
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ANDERSON: That's Nic in London. We are over Abu Dhabi for you. this is Connect the World. Coming up and after an election result she call
Theresa May is being in feeling the heat over Brexit. The prime minister face the opposition leader across the House of Commons. We will bring you
the details on what happened after this.
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ANDERSON: You're with "Connect the World." I'm Becky Anderson. These are our top stories this hour. U.S. President Donald Trump is defensive today,
had a meeting, a second meeting with Vladimir Putin. So we are now just hearing about this month's G-20 Summit.
The leaders met for almost an hour during dinner with a Russian translator present, leaving no official US record. Mr. Trump accuses the media of
making the meeting appear sinister, calling it, quote, sick.
In Australia, friends and family are mourning a bride-to-be killed in the United States. She had to call the police to report a crime near her home.
One of the officers who arrived shot her. He exercises his constitutional right not to speak to investigators.
Police in Saudi Arabia have released a woman who was detained in her choice of clothing. She pinned a video in social media in a shorts and crop top.
She was brought in for questioning. She was there for what religious police called "offensive clothing." She told investigators the video was posted
without her knowledge.
Only 13 months since Britain voted to leave the EU. Politics in the country has been turned on its head, a new prime minister, a shock election result
in the beginning of negotiation that seems clouded with uncertainty. And that has led to a few senior figures to speculate the Brexit may not even
happen. Listen to what Former Cabinet Secretary Vince Cable has to say.
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VINCE CABLE, FORMER BRITISH BUSINESS SECRETARY: The fact that Theresa May is politically weak does not help in many ways, but I think it is a much
deeper problem. The home of Brexit project was almost certainly floored from the start.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you think it will happen?
CABLE: I would say it's probably now 50-50.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fifty-fifty.
CABLE: Fifty-fifty, I think it may never happened.
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ANDERSON: All right. I promise the Theresa May and lobbyist Jeremy Corbyn spot in what was the final prime minister's question session before the
summit recess. Let's go to CNN's Bianca Nobilo who is at Downing Street today. Can you tell what happened?
BIANCA NOBILO, CNN PRODUCER: So, as you said, it was the last prime minister's question before summit recess today. Will it be going head to
head until September now? It was a fairly fiery exchange or a couple of tense moments mainly over this issue of public (INAUDIBLE).
It's important because the tragedies before in the UK like Grenfell Tower fire or the attacks in Manchester, London have really shown the electorate
in the country (INAUDIBLE) and public services provide. So, Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn (INAUDIBLE) over that today. Let's take a listen.
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THERESA MAY, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: It is not possible to go around promising people more money and promise that nobody is ever going to have
to pay for it.
[11:35:00] He and I do both value public sector workers. We both value all public sector services. The difference is, on this side of the house, we
know you have to pay for them.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jeremy Corbyn.
JEREMY CORBYN, LEADER OF THE LABOUR PARTY: The prime minister doesn't seem to have any problem finding money to pay for the DUP's support.
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NOBILO: And Jeremy Corbyn couldn't resist the drive (ph) there about the confidence and supply deal. The prime minister (INAUDIBLE) with the DUP,
which is where about 1.5 million pounds, hasn't even received that (INAUDIBLE) given the austerity measures still in place.
ANDERSON: (INAUDIBLE) Brexit negotiations which are pretty much got a cloud -- pretty much every inch (ph) what it seems for the next couple of years
in the UK. Each side of pool in the negotiations wants to be seen as having the upper hand, but much (INAUDIBLE) of the Europeans really are holding
all the aces at the moment. Is that a fair assessment for what's going on?
NOBILO: It's definitely fair to say hasn't been a good week for the UK, and to the second round of Brexit negotiation. David Davis, the UK Brexit
secretary, went to Brussels on Monday to meet Michel Barnier. He had to leave about an hour and a half later to return back to Britain because of
this cabinet (INAUDIBLE). And also, he has to vote because Theresa May's majority is that slim, that every vote counts in the House of Commons.
Then the papers yesterday (INAUDIBLE) of David Davis (INAUDIBLE) EU's chief negotiator without sending notes. The EU team had piled of papers which
just seem to underscore this narrative that Britain isn't prepared to engage in this discussion. So wait and see what comes out of the press
conference with David Davis tomorrow. But definitely have to say back here, it has not been a great week for the UK.
ANDERSON: All right. British negotiation. Thank you, Bianca. British and EU negotiations have 20 months, 20 months to hash out this Brexit deal. Nina
dos Santo now reports all this back-and-forth is leaving UK business uncertain about its future.
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NINA DOS SANTOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: (INAUDIBLE) know there is no such thing as a free lunch for inflation made something this month. Prices is still
rising faster than wages and the uncertainty surrounding Brexit is becoming increasingly hard to swallow.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People are angry. People (INAUDIBLE). Things are getting (INAUDIBLE). In my opinion, everything is rolling backwards and not
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, we're happy to survive, thanks to you.
DOS SANTOS: Such angst cost Prime Minister Theresa May her majority, allowing Jeremy Corbyn to pitch his Labour Party as a government in
waiting. One which he has promised Brussels would be more (INAUDIBLE) in exit negotiations. Even the man who (INAUDIBLE) campaign now thinks Brexit
is a bad idea.
With government so well prepared, its representatives appear to come empty handed to this month's EU talks. For me, making friends (INAUDIBLE) isn't
going to plan either, but May have been quick to offer Donald Trump a state visit (INAUDIBLE) date. Pro-EU leaders like Merkel and Macron wasted no
time in welcoming the U.S. president themselves.
So where does this leave the UK? Well, increasingly isolated. And in London, home to a court of the nation's GDP, businesses are becoming
increasingly skeptical. The Brexit will be (INAUDIBLE) by 2019.
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MAYOR SADIQ KHAN, LONDON, ENGLAND: The Article 50 served was supposed to negotiate an exit within two years. I want the government now is talking
about and I welcome this, is a transitional period of two years to get people certainty before we enter the new arrangement with the European
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DOS SANTOS: Meanwhile, banks are accelerating the contingency plans and looking for alternative European headquarters. But Paris and Frankfurt
making audacious bids for their business. It could lead to whole of Britain paying a hefty price before Brexit has even begun. Nina dos Santos, CNN,
ANDERSON: We are in Abu Dhabi (ph) tonight. Up next, here are two paychecks. A big juicy one and a much smaller one. Which one do you think
belongs to the men and which one to the women? At the BBC, that questions will be answered up next. Stay with us.
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ANDERSON: For four decades, since that Abba's hit, it's still a rich man's world, you know what I'm talking about, the gender pay gap when payday rose
around, complaints -- the mommy working, women (INAUDIBLE) is less that what male colleagues take home even if we do the same job. This is globally
shoot, not limited to one company or one industry of course.
But today, the spotlight is on the BBC. It is just released. It's biggest star (INAUDIBLE) a huge gender pay gap. The highest star, radio D.J. and
former talk show host, Chris Evans, made about $2.8 million last year and a half. That's four times as much as the BBC's highest earning female talent.
All this money comes from the British taxpayers since the BBC is publicly funded.
Joining us now for this very hot button issue is James Harding. He is the BBC director of news and current affairs. James, thanks for joining us. Did
you know about this gender pay gap (INAUDIBLE) before BBC was forced to publish the data?
JAMES HARDING, DIRECTOR, BBC NEWS: Becky, thanks for having me. Yes, and in fact one of the things that we done here and are trying to do is really
transform the BBC. I know many of your viewers well know what it does globally. We aim to provide, you know, when the BBC was founded (INAUDIBLE)
set the mission of the BBC to provide the best of everything for everyone.
HARDING: And that means trying to make the best programs and get the best people.
ANDERSON: I'm asking you one specific question. Did you know about this gender gap -- sorry, before BBC forced to publish the data?
HARDING: Yes. Sorry. So over the last four years since a group of people come in, we really committed ourselves to transforming the BBC,
particularly because we could see there is more need to be done, particularly about bringing in a new group of people change and a mix of
people. So we look frankly more like (INAUDIBLE).
So, yes, in the last four years, what you've seen at the BBC is 60 percent, in fact more than 60 percent, of those people who promoted or recruited
into this top pay bands of women and we set ourselves a very clear target that by 2020, you will see 50-50 equality. Women and men in the top roles
as presenters, actors, top managers of the BBC, and we are on the way to getting there. We are not there yet, but we will get there.
ANDERSON: With respect, sir, it has been widely reported today that it has been nearly 50 years since the UK government introduced the equal pay act.
ANDERSON: So why is a public sector specifically in this case, the BBC, logging way behind the private sector, and if you've known about this
before with respect, sir, why wasn't it fix before or was it?
[11:45:00] That people at the BBC were happy with this situation (INAUDIBLE)?
HARDING: (INAUDIBLE) respectful because the reality is actually slightly different from the way you portray it. Actually, if you look at the gender
pay gap overrule in UK businesses, is about 18 percent. That's fairly not good enough. At the BBC, it's 10 percent. That's also not good enough, but
it's better than the industry.
What I am trying to point out though is we came in absolutely with the mission to transform the BBC. We are on our way to doing it, and we are
determined to do it by 2020, 50-50 equality of women and men.
HARDING: This is something that has been a long time coming, and of course the mix of people that you have on average, so I think will cost, is
something that builds up over years, decades in fact. What we are trying to do is change it in a short matter of years.
ANDERSON: So let me get this straight. Until now, James, the BBC's position, they (INAUDIBLE) that women are less valued, less entertaining,
and less authoritative than men who are doing the same job. That was the comment from somebody (INAUDIBLE) one of BBC shows. A very good one. Can
you answer that?
HARDING: So, our position is the reason I'm trying to make a point, is that our position is we are changing the BBC, and we see that. We want the BBC
that speaks to (INAUDIBLE) audiences. We want one that looks and sounds like (INAUDIBLE) because we want one that is in touch with journalists, in
touch with what our audiences are experiencing here in the UK and around the world.
When you look at the teams of people you see on air whether it's the political editor, the Europe editor, the presenters of our programs, we are
changing that at the rate because we see and I think if you look at the metering stream live, you will see that too, that the mix is right.
And so what we are doing is bringing in a new people and changing that mix and making sure that we hit absolutely the equality target that we set
ourselves by 2020, just three years away.
ANDERSON: (INAUDIBLE) jobs at the BBC. Is that what you are saying?
HARDING: Actually -- look, it is a serious point, isn't it? You know, if you are changing the mix, how do you do that? How do you respect the fact
that these are good and talented people with a lot of experience? So, yes, you have to do it thoughtfully and gradually.
But it doesn't mean change in the mix of people, it does mean changing the programs we make and bringing new talent and talented new presenters into
programs. Yes, we all going to change things. But we want to do it always in the way that we think best serves our audiences. Make sure that the
programs we make, the news we do, really speaks to the people who want to listen to us.
ANDERSON: The former football striker and host of BBC's flagship football (INAUDIBLE) Gary Lineker has made -- always been out (INAUDIBLE) the
publishing (INAUDIBLE). He makes around $2.3 million. Earlier, he tweeted this. Happy BBC salary day. I blame my agent and the other TV channels that
Now, where did I put my 10 helmets? Other TV channels do pay more than BBC from a business standpoint. Is the disclosure of this information today is
going to hurt the (INAUDIBLE) ability to keep talent? Do you think?
HARDING: Look, you know, when this came up, we will press to do this by the government as you said --
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While you look for the right emoji for you, some struggle to find those, a headscarf-wearing woman, a hijabi, as she is known, proposed the idea of
creating an emoji that looks just like her (INAUDIBLE) Apple accepted her proposal. Good. Atika Shubert has more.
RAYOUF ALHUMEDHI, EMOJI DESIGNER: My name is Rayouf Alhumedhi. I am 15- years-old. I moved to Berlin five years ago from Saudi Arabia.
ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Is this what you wear when you had the idea?
ALHUMEDHI: Yes, like everything that I do is in this room. It is so much better if you are in your room.
My friends and I are creating a group talk and we decided to name the group talk, emojis of ourselves. And I obviously had no emoji to represent me
which got me thinking. I started questioning why there isn't one to represent me. It was like just kind of a proposal. A week before the school
starts. You have nothing to lose. And I just wanted a headscarf emoji. Simple as that.
I really had no initial idea in my mind of how it was supposed to look like. I just wanted it to have -- to be available in different skin tones
because, you know, it's not just a brown skin color. Millions of women from different races do wear it.
APHEE MESSER, EMOJI DESIGNER: Hi.
ALHUMEDHI: How are you?
MESSER: How are you?
MESSER: I think it's because, you know, we are visual people so communicating just through texts is kind of hard to get across your
emotion. So having little images even though they are so small is actually really helpful when you are trying to communicate what you're feeling and
SHUBERT: Do you have a favorite?
MESSER: Definitely (INAUDIBLE).
ALHUMEDHI: Thank you.
My dad uses them. My mom -- like no matter what age you are, phones and digitalization have really encouraged our lives in every possible aspect.
My dad uses emoji (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We called her Berlina (ph).
ALHUMEDHI: It obviously won't change the world. No one will like, say, hey, go ahead (INAUDIBLE). You know, it's not going to do that. But it's like I
said before, indirectly promotes tolerance because once people realize that like woman wearing head scarfs are not just people on the news (ph).
And once they begin to show up on our phones, that will establish that notion that we are normal people. We carry our daily routines just like
[11:55:00] I did that because I wanted to be represented. Simple as that. I just wanted an emoji of me.
ANDERSON: Well, it is time to say goodbye which normally means the final (INAUDIBLE) to me, Becky Anderson, my show. But today, believe it or not,
it seems (INAUDIBLE) somebody else (INAUDIBLE) "Despacito" from Mr. Justin Bieber believers just like me (INAUDIBLE) remix get this more than 4-1/2
million times, making it the most streamed song ever. So now it's goodbye from me and from Justin.
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