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Eight Found Dead in Trailer in San Antonio; Scaramucci: President's Message "Very Compelling"; Trump, Pence Pressure GOP to Pass Bill; Charlie Gard Case: Parents Seeking Experimental Treatment in the U.S.; 25 Palestinians Arrested in Overnight Sweep. Aired 7-8a ET

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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): -- this or any presidency.

[07:00:02] Commented one golf fan, I don't know for he is god. You don't drive golf carts within 20 yards of a green!

At least when he drove the fire truck, he didn't turn on the siren. Even if health care was going up in flames.

Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: America might is second to none. When it comes to battle, we don't want a fair fight. We demand victory and we will have total victory.

ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI, WHITE HOUSE COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR: We can tighten up that message and we can expand the through put of that message. I think we continue to win.

MIKE PENCE, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Obamacare is dead. Democrats are obstructionists and it's solely up to the Republican senators to rescue the American people.

ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER, ACTOR: We've got to have Democrats and Republicans come together to solve the problems in this nation. We cannot continue this way.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have any doubt Russia meddled through an organized covert influenced campaign in our presidential election last year?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No doubt at all. And I stand behind the intelligence.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY WEEKEND with Victor Blackwell and Christi Paul. ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news!

CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: Thank you so much for spending time with us this morning. We do have a lot of political news we want to cover with you in just a moment, but we have to start with some breaking news out of Texas this morning.

VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: Yes. Eight people have been found dead in the back of a semi truck. This is in San Antonio in what police are calling a human trafficking case. Dozen of others were pulled alive from the truck. They are now struggling at hospitals. We know that some of those people who were taken to the hospitals are children.

Let's get straight now to CNN correspondent Polo Sandoval.

And, Polo, I mean, the numbers here alone are staggering, considering how many people were packed in the back of this truck.

POLO SANDOVAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And according to the information that we heard from the police chief, too, Victor, it seems that several people still had the ability to actually get driven away from the area before authorities got there. So, there were at least 40 people in the back of that tractor-trailer rig before authorities responded. At this point, we do know that overnight, a Walmart employee contacted police after being approached by one of the individuals who was believed to be in the back of that tractor-trailer rig. Police and paramedic responding to the scene found dozens of people suffering from heat exhaustion, dehydration, heat stroke as well. So, as you can imagine there, authorities, they are treating several individuals, at least 17 people still with listed in life- threatening condition.

At this point, we do understand hat the police chief, including the fire chief as well, has already described the scene what they ran into. I want you to hear directly from fire chief Charles LaHood as he describes what is a massive triage incident in the parking lot of that San Antonio Walmart this morning.

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CHIEF CHARLES HOOD, SAN ANTONIO FIRE DEPARTMENT: We started extricating patients out of the back of a semi truck. The air- conditioning was not working, so everyone was removed. During that time, we had eight patients that were deceased. We had another 20 patients that were either in extremely critical condition or very serious condition and they have been transported to a number of hospitals.

We also had eight that were less of severity that have been transported by ambus to another hospital. We utilized helicopters to fly patients out. We utilized at least seven area hospitals to transport these people out.

(END VIDEO CLIP) SANDOVAL: Now, the investigation is still in its early stages. Authorities saying that this does seem to be a human smuggling operation and San Antonio is a known stopping point at what this is human smuggling pipeline. It starts at the Mexico border and then makes its way throughout the country. San Antonio there, again, one of those stopping points and we have seen these situations before, at least 19 people died in 2003 in Victoria, Texas.

Also, as early as 2015, nearly 40 people, undocumented individuals were rescued from the back of an 18-wheeler and the most recently on the 10th of July, about a dozen people rescued from the back of a truck. Unfortunately, though, in this case, at least eight people reported dead. Victor, Christi, so, yes, it is tragic, but, sadly, we have seen this before -- some of these smugglers, these human smugglers that have placed undocumented people in extremely human conditions.

Yesterday, temperatures in the triple digits in south Texas. And we understand that truck, that tractor-trailer did not have that refrigerator unit operating.

BLACKWELL: All right. Polo, we will let you get back to trying to find out more. Polo Sandoval for us on this, thank you so much.

PAUL: Well, the new White House communications director says he is ready to deliver what he calls President Trump's, quote, very compelling message to the American people.

[07:05:02] BLACKWELL: And we will hear at least part of it later this morning when Anthony Scaramucci talks with our own Jake Tapper on "STATE OF THE UNION." Now, Scaramucci says that he can push the president's vision through the toughest headlines.

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SCARAMUCCI: We were talking about this yesterday in the president's study off of the Oval Office where I said, OK, yes, we're having a rough time with the mainstream media. But last night I checked, during the campaign, we were having a rough time with the mainstream media, and the people see through it.

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PAUL: Scaramucci starts on a critical week for the White House, we should point out. Senior adviser Jared Kushner is going to be the first member of the president's inner circle to face questions in the Russia investigation. He's set to speak behind closed doors with the Senate Intelligence Committee tomorrow.

BLACKWELL: Plus, the House will vote this week on fresh sanctions against Russia for election meddling. It could reach the president's desk as soon as the end of the month. Now, despite lobbying from the White House, the bill would also give Congress new power to block any potential easing of sanctions.

PAUL: With me now, CNN politics reporter, Tom LoBianco, and Washington bureau chief of "The Chicago Sun-Times", Lynn Sweet.

Thank you both for being with us.

Tom, first of all, when we talk about Scaramucci, he did something interesting. He had a tweet that he put out in last, I believe it was the last 24 hours. And he said this: Full transparency. I'm deleting old tweets, past views evolved and shouldn't be a distraction. I serve POTUS agenda and that's all that matters.

Kudos certainly for the transparency. My question to you, is it transparent to delete e-mails?

TOM LOBIANCO, CNN POLITICS REPORTER: I think actual transparency would have been keeping the tweets up there, right? I mean, at least he said something. It would have been worse for him had he just deleted them and then we all spotted he deleted them and wrote about that. So, you know, I guess that's something.

You know, it's probably part of the realities of working inside this White House and with this president. You have somewhat fickle boss that you're working for inside there. And, you know, Scaramucci in the past, remember, he started out as a big Scott Walker donor, big fund-raiser for him at the beginning of the Republican campaign. Then moved on to the Jeb Bush campaign and was sort of, I don't want to say a late-comer per se, but I am he didn't really join up with Trump until last spring when other Republicans are kind of getting on board.

So, you know, there is some nasty things that were said. You know, not terrible but, you know, it was kind of where a lot of Republicans are. You know, the Republicans that we cover day-to-day here in Congress used to say many of the same things too. You know, you can go back and mine those things.

But, I mean, the transparency thing is hilarious, kind of, because he is deleting this stuff. You shouldn't be deleting anything.

PAUL: But he owned the fact that he was deleting it, I guess, is the point.

LOBIANCO: Yes.

PAUL: So, Lynn, when we look at Scaramucci, I mean, obviously, somebody very different than Sean Spicer. He seems to be very at ease. And very open about the fact, as he said in that tweet, he is here to support the president and that's all that matters right.

LYNN SWEET, WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF, CHICAGO SUN-TIMES: Well, he will figure out, especially we'll know more because he is putting himself in a very big spotlight. He doesn't have to, but President Trump wants him to decide do you want to do communications and figure out a way to get Republican support so Congress can pass your agenda or do you want to make it as a kind of knock-down every day about you're defending the president as a personal client rather than the Trump presidency. And there is a big difference here.

You know, when he deleted those tweets, it showed that he had -- it's nice, I appreciate getting a heads-up. It showed he didn't quite appreciate the sense of you can't wipe a slate clean as easily as deleting it, if he thought that would make it go away. So, I was surprised that he thought that would even come close to giving him some kind of blank slate.

What is important to see is if he is there every day just going on television, rather than figuring out a way to advance the president's agenda, we will know nor about what his job really is.

PAUL: All right. Let's move on to the sanctions here. Congress is voting on sanctions against Russia, North Korea, Iran. They gave themselves, Congress, some new veto power to block any easing of those sanctions.

What message, Tom, does this send to the president about how Congress views his relationship with Russia?

LOBIANCO: Well, I mean, it's a pretty big move here from the Republican Congress, the House, in particular. You know, this is the first big test to see how, A, how Trump will respond to this, whether he will sign this new package of sanctions. You know, we are expecting the vote here in the House on Tuesday.

And then also if he vetoes it, how will the House and Senate respond? You know, will they override a veto, are they ready to override a veto? You know, it's not clear either side really wants to head into a showdown just yet, but that -- it's a big move, a big decision here by the House.

[07:10:07] You know, this was spearheaded by House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, putting together, you know, a bipartisan plan here and what is fascinating about that is a lot of people, a lot of Democrats at least behind the scenes had thought that maybe McCarthy was going to carry the water for the White House, you know, here and try to stall this or block it or delay it somehow and that's not the case. That's not what's happening.

So, you know, it's really an important mark here in this early in the term, the independence of the Congress here.

PAUL: Lynn, there was a tweet that President Trump, then candidate, tweeted September 26th just before the election last year in which he said Russia has more warheads than ever. North Korea is testing nukes and Iran got a sweetheart deal there to thank to Hillary Clinton.

Those three countries he targeted as well as Hillary Clinton, those three countries are in this proposal, in this deal. Does he have a choice to sign this? Not to sign it, I should say.

SWEET: Well, he has a political decision. He has a government decision. He has foreign policy decisions.

PAUL: But he seems to back this up in this tweet that he wrote in September.

SWEET: Well, are you looking for consistency? We're in the wrong zone here. One of the things that is remarkable about the Trump presidency is that you can't start a sentence saying, well, normally if you tweet something you would back it up when you're president.

There is no normal here. Therefore, I would think while, of course, it's very risky for him to veto this bill. These are Republican-led House and Senate proposals. He does this at his risk. I'm not ruling it out because he is wildly unpredictable.

He does this at his peril because if he seems like he is getting wobbly on Russia by vetoing this bill, it only adds to the ongoing very serious, almost crisis-provoking Russia issue that he has with the pending congressional and special prosecutor investigations.

PAUL: All right. Lynn Sweet and Tom LoBianco, thank you so much for taking time for us this morning. Good to see you.

SWEET: Thank you.

LOBIANCO: Thanks.

SWEET: Thank you.

And today on "STATE OF THE UNION" with Jake Tapper, remember, the new face of the Trump White House, Anthony Scaramucci is talking one-on- one with Jake. Could this signal a new direction to the president? Senators Rand Paul and Al Franken are also on that show. "STATE OF THE UNION WITH JAKE TAPPER", today at 9:00 a.m. Eastern, only right here on CNN.

BLACKWELL: It's time to step up to plate. The White House pressuring Congress to vote on health care this week and the vice president calls out members of his own party, but does the Senate even know what it's voting on? Former adviser to the Trump campaign is here to discuss.

PAUL: Also, the parents of baby Charlie Gard are back in court this week as they continue their fight for bring him to the U.S. for an experimental treatment. We're going to talk to two experts about who should have the right to decide this child's fate?

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[07:17:05] TRUMP: You can also call those senators to make sure you get health care.

PENCE: Now, some people around the country harbor the belief that the Democrats will help us clean up the mess they made, but as I said and the president said this morning, Republican senators must step up to the plate after seven years in vote to repeal and replace Obamacare.

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BLACKWELL: The pressure there coming from the president and the vice president as the Senate prepares to vote on a plan to overhaul Obamacare or repeal and replace it, or maybe just repeal it this week. The catch here is that no one knows exactly what this plan is that they're going to vote on. Is it to debate or repeal and replace?

Let's discuss now with CNN political commentator and former senior adviser to the Trump campaign, Jack Kingston.

Jack, good morning to you.

JACK KINGSTON, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Good morning.

BLACKWELL: So, I want you to respond to a woman named Marge Schrempf. She lives in Florida. She voted for the president. She now regrets voting for the president. Here's what she has to say in her question.

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MARGE SCHREMPF, VOTED FOR TRUMP: It's not the Democrats that are stopping him with health care. He stood on platform after platform after platform saying, I can bring these people together! I can do it. I alone can do it. What happened?

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BLACKWELL: What happened?

KINGSTON: Well, I think that the president misread and underestimated the stubbornness of the U.S. Senate's ability to act like a team. I know as a House member, we were always very frustrated that particularly when Newt Gingrich was the speaker but also John Boehner, we talked over and over again about a team because you can come to Washington and be an independent contractor because you only answer to your own constituents and you shape your politics according to them.

But then when you get in Washington, you're supposed to remember that you not only represent your own particular constituents, but you represent the nation and you do it through a team. And your team might be Republican and it might be Democrat, but your power is sticking together in a legislative body and when they don't stick together, then the executive branch is hurt.

BLACKWELL: Jack, that challenges the specific narrative that the president created for his being elected. He said that I am a person who can bring people together, I am the deal-maker. He knows the art of the deal.

And just saying to people who rely on these programs and their coverage for their life and livelihood to say, I didn't know it would be tough, is that enough?

KINGSTON: Well, let me say this, in the House, the president and vice president were very involved and they had members come down to the White House constantly and they were in the process a lot more.

In the Senate where the Senate actually, I understand from the Senate leadership, that there was a signal, let Mitch McConnell, let us handle this, we'll work through this whole thing, Mr. President. Be on the sidelines but don't get out here on the playing field with us, so the White House took their word for that. But now, it appears that the White House does have to get very

involved and I think that's why you're seeing in the last two weeks a real surge from the vice president and the president saying get out there.

[07:20:09] But the president and vice president are the ones trying and I think people like Marge are seeing that the president is out there trying, but probably what she isn't seeing is their own senators coming up with ideas and alternatives to say, let's make it happen.

BLACKWELL: Well, wait -- Jack, when you say the president is out there trying, I need you to be clear about what that means. The president has not come out and explained what's in this bill. When the president is pushing a major policy proposal that affects life and livelihood, when President Obama was pushing the Affordable Care Act, when President Bush in his second term was pushing privatization in part account for Social Security, they went out and held town hall meetings and engaged, explained their plans.

I went back and searched. It's been 139 days since the House introduced that bill to repeal and replace the first one. The president has not held a specific single event outside of the White House explaining what he is pushing.

KINGSTON: Well, I think part of this he has been following the instruction of the Senate is let us work through this thing. I think right now, the president is probably going to be in a lot more aggressive mode because he's the one who said, do not leave town until you send me a bill, I've got my pen in hand. He did have a number of senators, a number of different times down to the White House to talk.

So, you know, I agree with you. I believe that his approach has been more inside Washington and inside the beltway right now to get the senators to do what they have been promising to do for seven years. I think the next step is to take the case to the American people and target particular states where the senators have not been as flexible as they should be on the this bill. This is going to be a complicated bill. We all know that, because people get addicted to free government largess and then when you try to approach it or modify it, people -- they get real nervous that they are going to lose their free stuff.

But, at the same time, I think the American people do want the premiums to come down. They want more choices. President Obama promised --

BLACKWELL: But the president has to get out and explain the specifics of a plan. You expected he will be able to do that. I want to be -- I'm running low on time. We've got some constraints here.

But I want to ask you something about the president said this week that we will, his words, let Obamacare fail. He said, I've been saying it for a long time. Let Obamacare fail. It will be a lot easier. I think we are probably in that position where we will just let Obamacare fail. I want to remind you also of something you said this in 2013. Let's

put it up. You said on a radio interview, a lot of conservatives say, nah, let's just step back and let this fall to pieces on its own. But I don't think that's always the responsible thing to do. I think we need to be looking for things that improve health care overall for all of us.

Is the president's statement we will let Obamacare fail responsible?

KINGSTON: I think what he is using it as rhetoric to say to the U.S. Senate, you got to get off your duff. And that's why Mitch McConnell is saying, OK, I'm just going to have a vote to repeal similar to the one we had in 2015, which will force members to say, well, maybe opioids, this isn't the issue of opioids, this isn't the time to talk about Planned Parenthood. This is the time to get serious and do what we promised to do --

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BLACKWELL: Jack, I need to bring you back. You specifically said in this interview that to even say, let it fall to pieces on its own weight is irresponsible and if there are things that can be added to this in your own amendment that you tried to add in 2013, that if things can be added to this law at that time to help the American people, people should do that.

Now you're saying that the president is saying, literally, we will let it fail isn't irresponsible?

KINGSTON: No. Again, I think what he is saying he is using that as a threat to get the senators to come forward. Remember, Victor, the bill was 7 1/2 feet high. Now, in that 7 1/2 feet of paperwork, four feet of it is noncontroversial, four feet of it is common sense, there's great consensus on it.

Now, the Republicans don't always want to admit that, but there's a lot in Obamacare that nobody is debating. I think what the president is saying is you really going to let this fail, guys, and just vote to let it die? Because you know you won't. You're going to come back and to expand Medicaid and do piecemeal corrections on it.

I think the president's great frustration is that the Senate isn't doing anything. And by saying -- you know, using that as a hammer to get them to vote, hey, OK, just vote for repeal like you've already done, I think he is somewhat daring them. He's cajoling them. He's pushing them, which is what you have to do with the U.S. Senate. But I also believe that by the end of the week, we are going to have progress and it's going to move in the right direction. I'm an optimist about it.

BLACKWELL: All right. Jake Kingston, you're an optimist. The president this week has called for repeal and replace, just repeal, and to just let it fail. We'll see what happens with the Senate vote this week. Thank you, Jack.

KINGSTON: Thank you, Victor. PAUL: Ahead, more on our breaking news. Eight people dead, dozens

pulled out of a tractor-trailer in Texas. Children were among them. We're right back after this break.

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[07:29:16] PAUL: So glad to have you with us. Twenty-nine minutes past the hour. I'm Christi Paul.

BLACKWELL: I'm Victor Blackwell. Good Sunday to you.

More on the breaking news out of the Texas. Eight people have been found dead in the back of a semi truck. This is in San Antonio.

PAUL: We know dozens of others were pulled alive from that truck but they are fighting for their lives right now in hospitals and this includes some children. The San Antonio fire chief says the temperature inside that truck was suffocating, perhaps as high as 115 degrees.

I spoke to him about the conditions he found when he arrived on scene.

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HOOD: Our units arrived about 12:36 this morning for a welfare check on a semi-truck that was parked behind a pharmacy, on the side of a pharmacy at a Walmart. So, first units arrived and quickly found multiple patients in various levels of heat distress.

[07:30:07] Some unconscious, some were dead. We quickly called a mass casualty incident, have 29 units arrived out there and start transporting people. So, initially, we had eight dead on arrival and then we ended up transporting a total of 30 patients, seventeen of those were in critical condition and with heat strokes or heat injuries.

A lot of them are going to have irreversible brain damage, unfortunately. Some of them were severely, you know, overheated and that was a refrigerator truck with no refrigeration. So, the inside of the truck was just conditions that nobody would survive and so, we are fortunate they were found because if they had spent another night in that environment, we would have 38 people had not survived.

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BLACKWELL: All right. Joining us now is CNN law enforcement analyst, Cedric Alexander.

Cedric, good morning to you and let's turn now to the investigation that has already begun here. We know that often in these human smuggling operations, it's more than just a man with a truck. There are other people, other entities involved. Talk to us about what they are going through now to determine exactly how broad this potentially is.

CEDRIC ALEXANDER, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST (via telephone): Well, this is certainly going to be at the beginning of the investigation, Victor, but here is what we have to keep in mind is that human trafficking is one of probably the most atrocious human rights violations on the planet. In the case in this country, we find statistically that human trafficking is used primarily for both sexual -- taking sexual exploitation and along well, too, is forced labor.

So, it is a continuing problem and if you look at the location there in San Antonio, which is in close proximity to Mexico, it would be interesting to see who the victims were in the back of this tractor- trailer. But over 25 percent of the cases around human trafficking, oftentimes, come from out of Mexico which borders this country as we all know.

BLACKWELL: Cedric, the fire chief told us it was of the dead, it seemed the eight people who died were all male. We know there was store video surveillance that has already been reviewed. A number of vehicles came in and picked up a lot of those folks that survived in that trailer and they left by the time police got there.

What do this he do now to try to find those people?

ALEXANDER: Well, it's going to be a far reaching investigation. Those that were able to survive that unfortunate ordeal are going to be key witnesses in terms of where they were picked up, who were those persons involved, wherever the point of origin of origination may have occurred, those are going to be key questions in the investigation.

And, of course, people in the community as well, too, are going to have to take part in this because if they see anything or hear anything that appears to be out of the norm where people are traveling alone, they seem to be disoriented or they seem to be somehow in danger regardless of whether you know exactly what is going on or not, it's a great idea to call your local law enforcement because this is such an unfortunate, sad act of violations of someone of human rights and almost unspeakable.

BLACKWELL: So, Cedric, you talked about how important the survivors are going to be to this investigation, but what degree of cooperation do you expect that investigators will get? I mean, you have people who are, obviously, vulnerable, trying to come into the country, and know that they have been caught, thank god the survivors have escaped with their lives, but some of them may be down right just afraid to give up that information.

ALEXANDER: Well, certainly, Victor, you're going to have that level of apprehension and people are going to be scared or fearful and they are going to be tired. They're going to be hungry. But it's those investigator and those who have worked with this population of those who have been victims of human trafficking, they know steps, they have been trained. They know how to join with people, make them felel comfortable, get them to a place where they understand that their safety is the most important than anything else.

And what you will find, in most cases, many will help law enforcement and assist in those type of investigations. Even in spite of the fact they may fear some idea being deported. I think the most important thing is that we have learned in this government to work closely, of course, with our Mexican law enforcement counterpart, should that be where they have came from and we don't know that for certain.

[07:35:00] But usually what you will find in those cases is that they will cooperate, somebody that was in that truck will cooperate with authorities.

PAUL: All right. Cedric Alexander, thanks for your expertise this morning.

And up next, after being told that they can't bring their baby to the U.S. for treatment, the parents of Charlie Gard will have another chance to convince authorities in court this week, but who has the right to what happens to this child? That debate is coming up.

BLACKWELL: Well, some of the worse violence in years erupts in Jerusalem. Now, the U.N. Security Council is taking this up tomorrow.

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BLACKWELL: The parents of baby Charlie Gard will return to court this week.

PAUL: The judge is considering new evidence in the case of the 11- month-old with this rare genetic disorder. His parents want to bring him to the United States for an experimental therapy. The hospital has argued that every operation has already been considered and a trip to the U.S. would not be in the child's best interest.

[07:40:01] So, joining us to talk about this, Arthur Caplan. He's an ethicist at the division of medical ethics at NYU. And Zak Golombeck, a medical negligence lawyer.

Gentlemen, thank you so much for being with us.

Arthur, I want to start with you. The parents have the money for this experimental treatment. They have a doctor who is willing to perform it. What is the harm of letting them exhaust every resource here?

ARTHUR CAPLAN, ETHICIST, DIVISION OF MEDICAL ETHICS NYU: Well, this is a tough, tough case because we are in a situation where you're worried that the love that the parents obviously for Charlie and trying to help him may be blinding them to the fact that they could be hurting him. The guardian that was appointed in this case, the courts, many in the U.K. that have looked at this case, have come down on the side of the doctors because they worry that Charlie may be suffering.

So, you don't want to prolong his life if he is in pain, if he's suffering. If that isn't true, then I think the parents' case is stronger but right now, that's what the court is concerned about.

PAUL: Zak, do you know any case where the medical experts supersede a parent's will?

ZAK GOLOMBECK, MEDICAL NEGLIGENCE LAWYER: There are all cases, of course, where they will supersede, but it's really about the judge considering all of the evidence. It's not about one superseding the other. These cases come to court because the family and the clinicians don't agree and, therefore, there has to be judicial intervention in that way.

So, it's -- if there was, obviously, an agreement that could be reached in these case, then that's the preference. But otherwise, the courts have to step in.

PAUL: You know, I think it's so hard for people to wrap our head around this because of the pictures that we see. Anybody who has children or has a love for children understands the will and the determination of a parent.

And one of those people that understand it is Congressman Jaime Herrera Beutler in the U.S. She is an example of a mother. Her baby girl was diagnosed with some sort of handicap in the womb. She had no kidneys. She was told her daughter would -- it was fatal. She would die either before birth or right after.

She was able to find a doctor to give her daughter an experimental treatment and that's the daughter we are seeing right there. She is now 4 years old.

Miracles can happen, we know that. Arthur, what is the risk to this child? What is the suffering as it's been argued that he may further endure if he is brought to the U.S. and this experimental treatment is tried?

CAPLAN: Well, let me say, first, I'm not sure Charlie is strong enough to be brought to the U.S., more likely someone would have to go to him. He's frail. He's on a lot of technology.

Remember, he is blind. He is deaf. He is paralyzed. He can't breathe on his own and his brain didn't form properly.

So, he is going to have a lot of disabilities. What is being proposed isn't to cure that. What's being proposed is to let him get some muscle strength back and perhaps live a bit longer. But there, the courts are starting to think if Charlie is still suffering somehow, if he is in any kind of pain, then making him live longer isn't in his best interest.

By the way, we have a law in Texas that has the same procedures laid out that lets doctors step in and override parents, and we are familiar with cases where parents want to do something that might on want to hurt their child, avoid giving them medicines and so on. So, there are circumstances where we override parents.

Again, I'll say this: if Charlie isn't suffering, if the parents are trying to do what's best for him, I can support that. But if he is in any kind of pain or suffering, you've got to have somebody step in for his best interests.

PAUL: Zak, how do you determine the pain or suffering he may be going through for the fact that he can't speak and he can't communicate? He is too small. And how would you argue for these parents if you were next to them in court this week?

GOLOMBECK: Speaking about the first part of the question, I think we have to rely on the clinical studies, that there has been a number of experts who have now considered this case. And earlier or last week, before the hearing tomorrow, there was a meeting with the clinicians, (INAUDIBLE), the doctor from New York and that was Chad, a clinical ethicist. That is going to now be considered again by the judge.

But there is a limit, of course, because of Charlie's age, because of the fact that he can't communicate as to whether he is or is not suffering pain and also how severe that pain might be. Of course, if I was acting for the family, one can understand from that point of view why they want to do as much as they can for their child but is there a legal framework. There is quite uncontroversial and unambiguous cases and case law that has explained this area and the test is quite clear. It is what is in Charlie's best interests?

[07:45:02] So, I think what their lawyer is doing and he's right, pushing forward everything that they can possible to show, as Dr. Caplan said, that this isn't a curative, the treatment that's being proposed, but it's to give him a chance and why not give him a chance?

But the judge, when he considers all of that, has to say is that in Charlie's best interest or not?

PAUL: All right. Arthur Caplan and Zak Golombeck, boy, your expertise and your thoughts on this very sensitive subject really mean a lot. Thank you both for being here.

CAPLAN: Thank you.

GOLOMBECK: Thank you very much.

BLACKWELL: A father in Colorado has been indicted in the death of his 13-year-old son who disappeared back in 2012. His name is Mark Redwine. He was arrested yesterday in Washington state.

Now, a grand jury determined that there is probable cause to charge him in connection with the murder of his son Dylan. Dylan Redwine's body was found seven months after his mother reported him missing.

Now, he had been staying with his father for Thanksgiving on a court- ordered visit. This death investigation went on for almost five years.

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ELAINE HALL, DYLAN REDWINE'S MOTHER: There was never any doubt in my mind ever from day one, I knew that Mark had something to do with Dylan's disappearance and then, unfortunately, his murder. And now I know it. I know what it feels like to hate.

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BLACKWELL: Mark Redwine is being held on a 1st million cash bond. Dylan Redwine would have been 18 years old this year. PAUL: Twenty-five Palestinians arrested in an overnight sweep in the

West Bank. Some of the worst violence in years is there. We have an update for you.

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[07:50:56] PAUL: So, in this week's "Staying Well," did you know there is a growing trend of virtual farmer's markets bringing local fruit and veggies to your door.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How you doing, Ms. Press (ph)? Good.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you want to help me empty these out so you can take the box with him?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In today's basket, we've got corn and tomatoes and finally peppers are coming through. I should get them delivered from a local company that delivers locally grown fruits and vegetables.

You go online and pick which basket option you want. When it's been picked two days before and you're eating it. And it's in season.

So the nuances and taste is something that you can't describe to someone until they put it in their mouth. Nobody needs to teach a kid to like cookies. But you might need to teach your kids to like green vegetables.

ZAC HARRISON, FRESH HARVEST: If you ever noticed a tomato in a grocery store, it doesn't have a ton of flavor and hard as a rock. That's because it was harvest wade before it was at its peak ripeness. It was at the very least shipped from the other side of the country and sat on a truck for five days and sat in a distribution center for an additional couple days.

We work directly with local farmers. The food comes from just down the road. It's harvested the same morning that we receive it and then it's delivered the next day to the consumer's home, when the nutrient content has built to its fullest.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think Americans, we don't get enough fruits and vegetables. People don't know how good they can taste.

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BLACKWELL: Well, the leader of the Arab League says that Israel, this is a quote, playing with fire, after 25 Palestinians were arrested in an overnight sweep the West Bank. An Israeli military official says they're suspected of preparing attacks or being members of Hamas.

Now, these arrests come as the U.N. Security Council is preparing to meet tomorrow to address the escalating Israeli-Palestinian violence. The Arab League announced it will hold its own meeting, that's on Wednesday. A Palestinian man died in the hospital last night after another day of clashes. The protests are continuing around Jerusalem's old city. They were sparked by demonstrations against new security measures at the holy site.

PAUL: Well, up next, the road to recovery. A heart felt tweet from Senator John McCain's daughter. And the photo, look at this, indicating the Republican from Arizona is ready for a strong come back.

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[07:57:30] PAUL: So, CNN's original series "THE NINETIES" is taking a look at the trends and stories that made the decade one we all certainly remember.

BLACKWELL: Yes. And tonight's episode zeros in on race relations and there was a lot to talk about in the '90s, also produced cultural shift in America. Here's a look ahead of tonight's episode.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An angry crowd roamed through the Crown Heights section of Brooklyn demanding justice after a motorist, a Hasidic man, ran a red light and hit two black children, killing one and critically injuring the other. A Hasidic student was stabbed to death hours after the accident.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For several days there was rioting, blacks attacking Jews and I got the blame for that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We got to increase the peace, increase the peace.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When the mayor went to Crown Heights to try to ease tensions, he was booed and forced to retreat.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think that too often many black elected officials have conned white Americans by telling them what they want to hear, letting them go to bed feeling everything is cool and it's not cool.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We'll do everything necessary to protect everyone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was no one truth. The blacks, of course, called that a murder. The Jews called it an accident. There were two completely different realities.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: David Dinkins is trying to please everybody. He was pulled in all different directions, trying to prove that he wasn't just a black mayor.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your mayor works for you. You got Commissioner Brown is working for you, guys.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Similar tensions are simmering in cities across America. Legions of young black men and women unemployed and losing hope believe they have been abandoned by the larger society and they are angry. (END VIDEOTAPE)

BLACKWELL: "THE NINETIES" airs tonight at 9:00 Eastern, only on CNN.

PAUL: Well, Arizona Senator John McCain is recuperating from blood clot surgery when led to a diagnosis of brain cancer. He is already showing signs, though, that he's working hard to get back on his feet here.

BLACKWELL: McCain's daughter Megan tweeted this photo. This is the two of them resting on a bench Saturday. The caption reads: Amazing hike with my dad this morning. Thank you all for your best wishes.

And, of course, we continue to send our prayers and best wishes to the senator and his family.

PAUL: No doubt. Thoughts and prayers to the whole McCain family.

And thank you so much for sharing your morning with us. We always appreciate it. Hope you make some good memories today.

BLACKWELL: "INSIDE POLITICS" with John King starts right now.