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ROBYN KRIEL, CNN HOST: We are bringing you breaking news out of Kenya. I'm Robyn Kriel. Uhuru Kenyatta has officially won a second term as
Kenya's president taking more than 54 percent of the final votes.
That tally was just an announced minutes ago. His rival, Raila Odinga, took just over 44 percent of the votes. Mr. Kenyatta called for unity
after being declared the winner saying elections come and go, but Kenya is here to stay.
Just to give you a bit of background, it's cost the Electoral Commission in Kenya about $500 million to pay for this vote, 15 million votes tallied in
total. Now what's really going to be telling is what's going to happen next in the next few hours in the coming days.
Will the opposition party that is Raila Odinga's party, which has lost the election president, former Prime Minister Raila Odinga has lost this
election to President Uhuru Kenyatta, Kenyatta with 55 percent of the vote.
What will happen? Will there be a peaceful transition into this? Of course, Uhuru Kenyatta has been the president of Kenya for the last few
years, and we have -- everyone's been sort of worried about what exactly this election will bring.
We are watching live visuals now coming from Nairobi, Kenya. The Electoral Commission at the (inaudible) of Kenya, President Uhuru Kenyatta taking 55
percent of that vote, $500 million spent, and of course, this was a tenuous time in Kenya after the initial votes when that was being tallied.
There was reported protest from the ground. Two people confirmed dead in running battles in some of the hotspots where people were protesting after
the opposition party claimed that there was some kind of hack on the independent Electoral Commission.
That has however been disputant. That has been completely denied by the Electoral Commission saying that while someone did try to hack the
Electoral Commission, they were not successful.
You're looking at some of those visuals from those protests just in the last couple of days as I said, two people were killed in those protests,
but by and large it has been peaceful for about the last 24 hours.
Now just to give you an idea, Kenyans are voracious consumers of the news so they will be watching this result, which has gone out on a number of
other local TV stations and international ones.
Someone who has been watching this election very closely, CNN's Farai Sevenzo. He is live for us now in Nairobi.
Farai, what can you tell us on the ground there?
FARAI SEVENZO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good evening, Robyn. After a very long wait, about 9-1/2 hours, the Independent Electoral and Boundaries
Commission announced a few minutes ago that they incumbent, Uhuru Kenyatta, has won this contentious race by 54.2 percent of the vote.
He was accepting that declaration just a few moments ago, and he called -- he's extended his hand of friendship to his opponent. He says we're not
enemies. We all belong to one Kenya.
But I can tell you, Robyn, it's going to be a contentious few days because the opposition are not at all happy. They left the process, saying they
cannot be a part of this charade, and they declared it a complete disaster.
And they also are claiming that they've been in the courts before, and it didn't do them any good. And that's their -- it's not a course that they
want to take. So which leaves -- which begs the question. If they are not accepting this defeat as announced by the Commission, what will they do?
KRIEL: Well, hopefully, they keep their issues in the court, Farai, and not on the streets. We do appreciate your time. Farai Sevenzo, live for
us there in Nairobi where President Uhuru Kenyatta has taken over for a second term.
Next on CNN. We are going to bring you some breaking news out of Bedminster, New York. That is where President Trump, U.S. President Trump,
is about to address reporters at the apprenticeship -- focus on apprenticeship event. Let's take a look.
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: -- Secretary Acosta, Secretary DeVos, for joining us today. And thank you all because we are --
we have been working very hard on being sure that Americans have the training they need for their jobs in the future.
I also want to thank Ivanka, my daughter, for her leadership on workforce training and her efforts. She's been working very, very hard to create new
economic opportunities for women across America and actually for women across the world. She's been working with the Chancellor of Germany on
helping women all over the world.
In the past seven months, we've made enormous gains in getting Americans back to work. The stock market is at record highs, unemployment is at a
16-year low, and manufacturers have never expressed more optimism about the future. The optimism has been truly incredible.
Recently, Foxconn announced that it's going to invest $10 billion to build a new factory in Wisconsin. We want to make sure that every job that comes
back to our shores is filled with American workers. We have a lot of companies moving back to our country. You're probably seeing that.
Two major automobile companies just announced they're moving back to the United States. And they're going to build major plants. They're looking
for the site. They're putting it out to seven or eight different states, and they're going to be very happy building in the United States. It's
going to work out very well for them.
That's why in June, we began a historic initiative to expand apprenticeship and workforce training programs in all industries. We're expanding
pathways to success. So important. And apprenticeships are one of the many avenues that lead to the great jobs completely debt-free. And who
knows more about the word apprentice than Donald Trump?
In fact, under the apprenticeship, you earn while you learn. So important and so great. And you love getting up in the morning and going to work and
a lot of great things involved here.
We're always here today to discuss additional steps we will be taking to expand apprenticeship programs, especially for women and minorities in STEM
fields where women have been truly underrepresented, really. I guess you could say, underrepresented for many, many decades.
Technology has become a part of nearly every industry, from manufacturing to retail. And we want all of our citizens, every single citizen,
including women and minorities, to have access to high-paying tech jobs and other STEM-related jobs.
American workers are the best there is anywhere in the world, and we're finding work for them. They built the skyscrapers of our cities, the roads
and bridges across our land, and will be building plenty of new roads and bridges. By the way, the technology that has revolutionized the globe and
so much more, as you're well aware.
Their skills, talent, and grit have always put America on top, and we're going remain on top, but at a much higher level than we are right now. And
speaking of now, it is our job to make sure that they have the training, immediately, to lead us into the future.
We have great, great hope. We have a great, great future in this country. There's never been more optimism and, again, unemployment at a 16-year low.
[15:35:03] So we're honored to have all of you. Mr. Secretary, thank you very much. Secretary, thank you very much. We appreciate it.
And, Ivanka, congratulations on working so hard.
IVANKA TRUMP, DAUGHTER OF PRESIDENT TRUMP: Thank you.
TRUMP: We really do appreciate it. Thank you. Any questions?
PETER ALEXANDER, NBC NEWS WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Mr. President, what did you mean by military solutions are locked and loaded as it relates to
TRUMP: Well, I think it's pretty obvious. We are looking at that very carefully, and I hope that they are going to fully understand the gravity
of what I said. And what I said is what I mean, so hopefully they'll understand, Peter, exactly what I said and the meaning of those words.
Those words are very, very easy to understand.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Any progress on the diplomatic back channel?
TRUMP: Well, we don't want to talk about progress. We don't want to talk about back channels. We want to talk about a country that has misbehaved
for many, many years, decades, actually, through numerous administrations.
And they didn't want to take on the issue, and I have no choice but to take it on. And I'm taking it on. And we'll either be very, very successful,
quickly, or we're going to be very, very successful in a different way quickly.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Angela Merkel says -- she says she -- Angela Merkel says she sees no military solution to fight with North Korea. Why is she
TRUMP: Well, I think maybe she's speaking for Germany. Let her speak for Germany. She's a friend of mine. She's a very good person, very good
woman. She's a friend of Ivanka.
Perhaps she is referring to Germany. She's certainly not referring to United States, that I can tell you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. President, you've said you want to send a strong message to North Korea. What do you say to your critics who say that your
rhetoric is actually raising the tension?
TRUMP: Well, you know, my critics are only saying that because it's me. If somebody else uttered the exact same words that I uttered, they'd say,
what a great statement, what a wonderful statement. They're only doing it.
But I will tell you, we have tens of millions of people in this country that are so happy with what I'm saying because they're saying, finally, we
have a president that's sticking up for our nation and, frankly, sticking up for our friends and our allies. And this man will not get away with
what he's doing, believe me.
And if he utters one threat, in the form of an overt threat, which, by the way, he has been uttering for years, and his family has been uttering for
years, or if he does anything with respect to Guam or any place else that's an American territory or an American ally, he will truly regret it. And he
will regret it fast. OK?
Thank you all very much. Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, guys.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you.
TRUMP: Thank you very much.
TRUMP: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Guys, that's enough, OK? Thank you.
TRUMP: Thank you, Philip.
KRIEL: You are watching a news conference from President Donald Trump in Bedminster, New Jersey. He, at first, began talking about the
apprenticeship, the focus event.
And we are going to go now to domestic for more analysis right here on CNN. Stay with us.
GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: -- he is tripling down, and he's -- what's not clear to me is he said, if he utters one form of an
overt threat, and then went on and said, and threatens Guam, et cetera, et cetera. Well, he already has been threatening. Kim has been uttering
overt threats, so --
BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN HOST: The specifics to the Guam attack, they're out there.
BORGER: Right, they're already out there.
BORGER: So I'm not quite sure. I was trying to parse those words. I'm not quite sure what he means by that.
But he reiterated a lot of what he said yesterday, Brooke, which is that tens of millions of people are applauding him, that there's finally
somebody to stand up for America. And he also said, if somebody else had uttered the words that I said, they would have been applauded but because -
- you know, the inference is but because it came from Donald Trump, he's being criticized.
BALDWIN: Listen, I know that the White House, Elise, is saying that there are no mixed messages. We're all on the same page, Tillerson, Mattis,
But again, you have this, you know, Gloria is right, this tripling down, and yet you have what you are hearing, you know, what you were just
reporting, that the back channels and the -- let's bring them to the table and try diplomacy.
How do you square those?
ELISE LABOTT, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: OK, I think, you know, as Gloria said, we need to really parse out what the President said. And I
think what he would say -- he kind of stopped himself. He said if he even threatens -- and then he kind of said, overt --
BALDWIN: He did stop, right.
LABOTT: -- overt threats.
LABOTT: Now, if you saw kind of over the last two days, Secretary Tillerson, especially Defense Secretary Mattis, have been kind of
clarifying what that means. And that means, if you threaten with actual force, if you take action.
North Korea's been threatening the U.S. and its allies for years.
LABOTT: I mean, if we listen to every, you know, threat by North Korea, I mean, we wouldn't be able to go on with our lives. They are masters at
brinksmanship, at rhetoric, and sometimes you just need to kind of put that aside. And when we say listen to the President, what he -- look at what
the President does, don't listen to his tweets, I think you need to do that with North Korea.
[15:40:01] But so he is saying, if you take action, and that message is to North Korea and it's also to China. That if you -- to China and Russia,
you need to get this under control. You need to put your pressure on North Korea.
And to North Korea, the message is, if you're thinking about it, don't do it because we will annihilate you. We have the defenses. We have the
capability. You will not survive an attack on the U.S. or its allies.
But I have to say, it's working, Brooke, because, you know, if you look at North Korea, if you parse out North Korea's statements a couple days ago,
he was very specific. The North Korean news agency was very specific about four missiles directed at Guam. Today, you're hearing the kind of typical
bombast that you hear from North Korea, that the U.S. will go up in a sea of fire. It's kind of the things that we hear all the time.
So I'm not trying to make light of the fact that it's a very serious situation. There is a chance for miscalculation here. But I do think that
this kind of serious threat of force, Kim Jong-un is cowering a bit. And you know, look, the masters of the brinksmanship, Kim Jong-un, may have met
their match in Donald Trump, and he seems to be cowering a bit.
BALDWIN: What about the comment -- the question asked about, you know, the U.S. has a good friend in Germany, and the Chancellor, Angela Merkel, is
saying that there is no military solution?
Tom, going to you and your years there in Foggy Bottom, like, you know, the President was essentially saying, we'll let Merkel speak for Germany.
Certainly, she is not speaking for the U.S. What did you make of that?
THOMAS COUNTRYMAN, FORMER UNDER SECRETARY OF STATE FOR ARMS CONTROL AND INTERNATIONAL SECURITY: I think that Chancellor Merkel's statement was
pretty clear that there is not a military solution that the United States could impose upon North Korea that would reliably destroy the nuclear
arsenal of North Korea. And that's not just speaking for Germany. I am sure that she intended for our President to listen to that statement as
I understand the impulse to reply to a thug like Kim Jong-un with the same kind of intemperate language that he uses. But the fact is, no American
president has ever done that before. I think that the President may succeed, I hope, as Elise says, in getting North Korea to back off some of
its rhetoric. But the fact is, North Korea does not intend to initiate an all-out conflict with the United States.
The President will take credit, have no doubt, if they never make a military move, but it is not credible to believe that the President's words
are going to convince North Korea to halt its nuclear program.
BALDWIN: OK. The --
BORGER: You know --
BALDWIN: Well, Gloria, the President, though, in terms of -- Tom's talking about the rhetoric. The President defended his rhetoric and, you know,
said if any other president --
BALDWIN: -- did the same thing, they would be praised. Is he right?
BORGER: No, I don't think he is. I think that the kind of bellicose, apocalyptic language coming from a president is a little jarring. And he
may be right that there are an awful lot of people applauding it, but on the other hand, I think what you want to hear from a president, in this
particular case with North Korea, is you want to isolate North Korea and say the entire civilized world voted against you at the United Nations, and
we led that fight.
And you know, Trump has reason to crow about that -- and he should -- and not make it a fight about our fire and fury against your fire and fury, but
rather a fight between the civilized world and Kim Jong-un. And instead, what you hear is this kind of mano-a-mano. You know, we have more
armaments than you have.
And you know, by the way, I think the language that you hear from General Mattis, for example, is so strikingly different. And this is the man who's
in charge of all the armaments, right? And the Secretary of Defense, last night, was so sober and somber about all of this and talked about a
diplomatic solution. And very different from the President.
So while you don't want the President to not, you know, stand up for America, criticize North Korea, et cetera, et cetera, ratcheting up an
already-tense situation is kind of questionable. And you know, maybe the ends will justify the means. You know, we'll --
BORGER: We'll have to see.
BALDWIN: Sure. Everyone stand by. Actually, we have a correspondent in Guam. We've been talking about Guam and the specific attacks from
Pyongyang to this American territory, just about 2,100 miles off the peninsula. Martin Savidge is there live, just about 2:00 in the morning
[15:45:08] You know, the President mentioned Guam, Martin. Nice to see you. Talk to me about -- we've seen the headline from the paper there
today where it says "14 Minutes," right? That's the time it will take for a missile to go from North Korea to where you are.
MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Right.
BALDWIN: How are people in Guam feeling?
SAVIDGE: You know, there's kind of two levels of preparation that I think people are going through here, Brooke. One is the physical, which is, of
course, getting ready with emergency supplies as best you can. And then the other is the mental preparedness, and that's probably the most
Let me show you the newest paper. This is the Saturday morning version. And the banner headline there, of course, says "Missile Watch." But the
one that really catches your eye is the second one here, officials, quote, do not look at the flash, which is a clear reference that if there's some
sort of nuclear fireball, don't be looking at it because you could go blind.
Well, look, if it's on the front page of the paper, if officials are talking about it, you could see how it ratchets up the level of people's
concern. The Governor on the island, Eddie Calvo, is doing his best to tell people that the threat level has not been raised in any way, that the
island is safe and sound, and they should go about their lives as they always would. It's the old keep calm and carry on.
But at the same time, the Bureau of Homeland Security issued a new guideline sheet in which they talked about what to do in the event of a
nuclear explosion. And they talk about, yes, don't look at the fireball. Immediately get low on the ground behind any kind of substantial block
there may be, cover your head. It's the old duck and cover from the Cold War days.
Then on top of that, it goes on to say that stay indoors after the initial blast for at least 24 hours to reduce exposure to fallout, and then wash
yourself in a shower, scrubbing with copious amounts of water and soap. You get this kind of listing coming from your official government, and you
could see why people here are beginning to really get worried.
And even though this island has been threatened in the past, there's something this time around, folks say, that makes it more real. And of
course, very much concerning, Brooke.
BALDWIN: That's what I wanted to ask about. I was talking to a congresswoman from Guam this week. You know, she had talked about how she
had reached out to secretaries of defense past, asked about the readiness of the THAAD, you know, and any defense missile system, and sort of
intuiting that this felt different, Martin.
What is it about this time, just quickly, that feels so different for people there in Guam?
SAVIDGE: Well, a couple of things. Of course, North Korea's been much more active in its testing and its use of its rockets and missiles. And
then on top of that, the other difference is who's in charge in the White House in the United States. It's Donald Trump.
You have two men who don't like to back down, Kim Jong-un being the other here. And there is a fear that they could talk themselves into a very
dangerous situation. That's one of the biggest differences, say, from several years ago when the same threats appeared.
BALDWIN: OK. Martin Savidge in Guam for us. Thank you so much. Again, we're now seeing the new headlines there in this newspaper, "14 Minutes."
They're saying that's how long it would take for the missile to reach the island nation off the peninsula, off the Korean Peninsula.
Everyone, stand by. We have more on our breaking news about these back- channel efforts that Elise Labott was just reporting on here between the U.S. and North Korea.
I'm Brooke Baldwin. This is CNN special live coverage.
[15:52:31] BALDWIN: Back to our breaking news here and this tripling down on North Korea and the leader of the rogue nation coming from the President
of the United States moments ago here. Let's go to Will Ripley, our correspondent overseas there in Beijing, who has been to Pyongyang many,
many times for us here at CNN.
And so, you know, listening to President Trump tripling down. He kept saying, he, you know, referencing Kim Jong-un, perhaps felt a little
different this time in his messaging. How do you think Kim Jong-un reacts to President Trump this time?
WILL RIPLEY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: This is the thing, Brooke, is that all of these responses, these fiery responses that we've seen from
North Korea so far, haven't been direct quotes from Kim Jong-un. They're his generals or lower level government officials.
So he's putting out statements through officials in his government, and then the President of the United States is directly responding, mentioning
him by name. So either North Korea is being elevated up to the level of the United States or the United States is being dragged down to the level
of North Korea.
But either way, all of a sudden, you have these two leaders of countries that are vastly different in terms of military capability, wealth,
political influence, respect, and yet, they're basically at the same level in this tit for tat. And in fact, the North Korean propaganda that I've
seen today -- and we could see another wave of North Korean news releases coming out within the next few hours. They normally do around the early
morning time here in Beijing and this part of the world.
But the rhetoric was relatively tame by North Korea standards. They were back to their normal threatening to turn the mainland United States into a
stage for nuclear war. We've heard that before. Saying that President Trump and the United States is pushing towards the brink of a nuclear war.
We've heard North Korea say that many times before.
They didn't personally insult the President. They didn't talk anymore about this -- you know, this plan to launch four Hwasong-12 intermediate
range missiles and put them down -- or fly them over Japan and put them down within 20 miles of Guam. They didn't elaborate further on that,
although, granted, they were saying they're putting together a plan for Kim Jong-un's signature.
But by President Trump now saying this, it's almost as if he's baiting Kim Jong-un to sign the orders on that plan and have North Korea give it a go
and do what would be their most provocative missile test ever because he just continues to fan the flames, even when the North Korean rhetoric today
didn't seem to match the rhetoric of the President. So we have the U.S. President's rhetoric more intense than what we heard today from North
BALDWIN: Here is hoping it doesn't ratchet up, but we will stand by to see if Kim Jong-un, the man, actually responds this time. Will Ripley, thank
you so much, in Beijing.
[15:55:06] Let's move now to developments in the Russia investigation. After news broke that the FBI raided the home of the former Trump campaign
chairman, Paul Manafort, sources tell CNN that Manafort is actually dropping his old legal team and hiring new lawyers with particular
expertise in tax investigations, a sign that the Special Counsel's probe could be focusing more on possible tax crimes.
We are also learning that before this pre-dawn raid, investigators met with Manafort's son-in-law who handed over documents.
Meanwhile, President Trump is weighing in on this, said he was, quote, very, very surprised when he heard about the raid. Here he is.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: I thought it was a very, very strong signal or whatever. I know Mr. Manafort. I haven't spoken to him in a long time but I know him. He
was with the campaign, as you know, for a very short period of time, relatively short period of time.
I've always found Paul Manafort to be a very decent man. And he's like a lot of other people, probably makes consultant fees from all over the
place. Who knows? I don't know. But I thought that was a very -- that it's pretty tough stuff.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. President --
TRUMP: To wake him up, perhaps his family was there, I think that's pretty tough stuff.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BALDWIN: Jeff Cramer is with me. He's a former federal prosecutor and managing director of the Berkeley Research Group.
Firing legal team and bringing on attorneys -- forgive me, sir. Some of this run together. Jeff, thank you so much for being with me. So the fact
JEFFREY CRAMER, MANAGING DIRECTOR, BERKELEY RESEARCH GROUP: Certainly.
BALDWIN: The fact that Manafort has, you know, fired the old team, brought on these new guys with, specifically, tax law expertise. We knew that Bob
Mueller was, you know, following the money trail, but what does that signify to you?
CRAMER: You know, I think that putting in new attorneys that focus in that area as well as the warrants itself, I think, are significant but not
really surprising. I think it's significant in the sense that we've got some idea of the direction based upon the lawyers he might be hiring.
And also a warrant itself where a judge determined that there was probable cause that a crime occurred and there might be evidence in the house,
that's significant. But it's not really surprising because executing a search warrant of a subject of an investigation, really, is part and parcel
of what goes on during the course of any investigation like this.
BALDWIN: Well, so, Jeff, we know that they took a bunch of documents from Manafort's home. Here's the if. If investigators actually uncovered any
documents related to current members of the administration, do you know, is there any required disclosure to the White House, or can Bob Mueller keep
it to himself?
CRAMER: Right now, he can keep it to himself. There may be something it gets close to attorney/client privilege or something along those lines. So
there's certain instances where Director Mueller or Special Counsel Mueller may have to disclose something. But, right now, he can keep everything
close to the vest.
Now, Mr. Manafort has already disclosed some documents. And the investigation has obviously been going on for months and months, so I'm not
sure what might have been found at that house. But after months and months, it may not be a smoking gun, but there could be some information
there leading to either tax or what I think it might be is information regarding moneys overseas that need to be disclosed by U.S. citizens.
BALDWIN: OK. We played the President's comments on this ongoing investigation and this pre-dawn raid. We also know the President's own
attorney actually talked about the raid.
John Dowd e-mailed "The Wall Street Journal." Let me just read you a piece of this quote. He said the raid was extraordinary invasion of privacy and
a gross use of judicial process, and these methods are normally found employed in Russia and not America.
Here's my question to you, Jeff. If this investigation does not involve the President personally, which his attorneys maintain, why are they -- why
are the lawyers and the President himself commenting on this?
CRAMER: Well, it's not surprising that the President's lawyers would comment on this. They're trying to lay the groundwork for an argument down
the road, perhaps, but your point is well taken. If this investigation doesn't touch the White House, then why is someone representing --
BALDWIN: Why go there?
CRAMER: -- the President commenting at all? But I think what we have here is someone who's laying some groundwork. But a search warrant, again, is
normal course in what investigators do. It's not a Russian tactic. It's under the Fourth Amendment, where a judge, a judicial representative, has
already opined that there was enough evidence in this search warrant, which is obviously sealed at this point.
BALDWIN: OK. Jeffrey Cramer, thank you so much. Happy Friday. Happy weekend. Thanks for being with me here.
Again, we're going to stay on. And I'm sure Jake will stay on what's happening, the latest reporting on these back-channel conversations, in
fact, with regard to the U.S. and North Korea and the latest tripling down from the President of the United States there in Bedminster during his
working vacations, so stay tuned.
I'm Brooke Baldwin. Thank you so much for being with me here on this Friday. We're going to send it to Washington. "THE LEAD WITH JAKE TAPPER"
starts right now.
[16:00:03] RICHARD QUEST, CNN HOST: Closing on Wall Street just ringing. The market is now closed.