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Crisis In Venezuela; One Person Killed, 19 Wounded In Car-Ramming; White Supremacist Groups And Opponents Clashed; Witnesses Describe Chaos At Car-Ramming Scene; Trump Slammed For Not Singling Out White Supremacists; North Korea Finalizing Plan Against U.S. Territory; CNN On The Ground In Seoul And Beijing; South Korea President To Meet Top U.S. General Monday; China's Xi Urges Restraint In Call With Trump; Maduro Expected To Address Trump's Military Remarks; Guam Prepares For Potential North Korea Missile Attack; Suspect In Car Attack Identified James Fields; Controversy Over Confederate Monuments In Virginia. Aired 11a-12p ET
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[11:00:00] ROBYN KRIEL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: -- nationalist rally, a counter protest and a deadly crash. What we know about the violence in Virginia.
We'll cross to our reporter in Charlottesville next. And not backing down the U.S. president and North Korea's leader exchange threat. What does it
mean for the region? Live reports from across the Asia coming up. Plus, Mr. Trump doesn't rule out most reaction in Venezuela either. That
country's president expected to respond to the American commander in chief later today. We're in Caracas with a look ahead to what he may say.
Hello and a warm welcome to CONNECT THE WORLD. I'm Robyn Kriel in Atlanta sitting in for Becky Anderson. The U.S. City of Charlottesville, Virginia
remains under a state of emergency this hour after a day of ugly and chilling violence. It began with fights between white supremacists
protesters and people who opposed their message. Then a car rammed a crowd in an attack similar to those we've seen in London, Nice, and elsewhere.
One woman was killed and two police officers died when their helicopter crashed near Charlottesville. President Donald Trump condemned bigotry on
many sides but today a lot of people want him to make a stronger statement. CNN's Kaylee Hartung is in Charlottesville for us. Kaylee, what can you
KAYLEE HARTUNG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Robyn, as you know on Sunday morning talk shows in the state you hear a lot of political conversation.
So we've heard widespread outcry for President Trump to unequivocally denounce the activity of the white supremacist who came here to
Charlottesville with a message of racism bigotry and hatred. And some of that criticism is coming from members of Donald Trump's own party. We saw
varying degrees of violence in the City of Charlottesville over the weekend.
Fist fights to pepper spray, among protesters but there's no doubt that he most egregious moment of violence occurred when a vehicle as used as a
weapon plowing into a group of people who would assemble to protest against those white supremacist. The suspect in custody, Alex Fields, Jr., 20-year
old man who come here from the State of Ohio. He's being charged by the State of Virginia with one count of second degree murder. And federal
authorities are opening up a civil rights investigation into the crash that we now know took the life of one Heather Heyer, a 32-year-old woman from
the City of Charlottesville.
KRIEL: All right, Kaylee. What's the situation like there today? Is there a large policed presence?
HARTUNG: Well, Robyn, there's still in barricades here within the city limits. Many of them surrounding the park, the site of the rally
yesterday, that's the park that houses, the statue to Confederate General Robert E. Lee. A cleanup efforts are underway around the city. The site
of that crash has been cleared, there's a makeshift memorial to the deceased Heather Heyer there. We're not seeing any nefarious activity of
any sort today, Robyn. Police presence certainly still strong but very little site of any of the protesters or counter-protesters. Thousands of
them took to the streets yesterday.
KRIEL: When did 19 injured in that vehicular attack of - really an style attack from what it looks like on the video at least. Kaylee, how are
those that were injured doing?
HARTUNG: Well, of those 19, many of whom were treated overnight in local hospitals. Five of them, Robyn continue to fight for their life in
KRIEL: All right. Thank you so much. Kaylee Hartung live for us there from Charlottesville, Virginia, keeping an eye on the situation there.
Thank you. Witnesses who saw the vehicle slammed into the group of counter-protesters say that it was going very fast. Two men who were near
the scene told CNN what they saw and heard.
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CHRIS MAHONY, WITNESS: So we were walking down the road as Brenan mentioned but we came around the corner and you could see the car just over
the other side of the road, just sat there looking down the road. And as he said, the protesters were coming - were coming down fort straight. So,
I don't - I thought that's a bit strange, didn't seem to be any other cars stopping him from going. And then of course moments later, we heard a car
going incredible fast, you know, down the - down the road and sort of plow into the - into the crowd and then it reverse back and then we were - some
of us ran after the car to take a photo and then followed it, ran down the road alerting the police to chase it.
HARTUNG: Yes. What transpired in those minutes after the car left this block in left view, what was the scene like here?
[11:05:11] BRENNAN GILMORE, WITNESS: Well, there was almost an immediate response from first responders. There were state police right here on the
mall, you know, I don't know if they actually witness it, so we alert them, said you need to get down there immediately. There was first aid crews
came in. And then pretty quickly an armored vehicle came down to block the scene. So, you know, the response was quick but, you know, obviously, I
understand one person lost her life and, you know, it was a very, very violent attack.
HARTUNG: And when you said that you help administer first aid to a woman, what else did you observe in terms of victims of that crash?
GILMORE: There are a lot of victims around the scene and the actual crash, it's halfway down the block and then people coming up, you know, bloodied,
shaken obviously, people having, you know, hyperventilating. And then - yes, again, let the professionals take over and then we got out of the, you
know, got out of the scene. That was obviously increasingly violent day in Charlottesville and, you know, I certainly agree with the mayor's
recommendation to people just stay home.
HARTING: And what bring you traveled here from Washington - I'm sorry, Chris, You traveled here from Washington, D.C. to be a part of the counter-
protest to the Unite to Right rally. How do you describe the emotions you felt as you saw this attack on other counter-protesters like yourself?
GILMORE: I can't honestly say, it was emotions of surprise because up around the center of the protest from both sides, you had a high level of
antagonism, right? It wasn't necessarily a peaceful. You had people literally in military fatigues with arms walking around, so of course,
that's an incredibly intimidating environment. So then, naturally when that happened, I thought this is someone deliberately attacking these
people, you know, because of the police.
And - yes, and like Brennan said, yes, it's a - it's a little bit traumatizing of course, you know, to witness these people go flying, you
know, and later, you know, the carnage of everybody lying around because I walked with the police officer back from around the corner we had said,
look, one of these cars has to follow and that was fantastic, you know, the first officer I came into contact with, I said, that car just plowed into a
whole lot of people, you know, so I was sprinting down the road as I was trying to get away and maneuver through all these - all these other
vehicles and he immediately got on the mark, you know, and got in contact with another police kind of pulled out behind it. I think because it was
suspicious, right? Because the car - the front of the car was all smashed up and ahead the helicopter I've heard and he said, yes, we're on it,
quickly (INAUDIBLE) this has happened. And of course by the time I got back, like Brennan said, you know, the response was in full swing.
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KRIEL: We told you earlier about President Trump facing criticism for what he did not say about the attack, he condemned hatred and bigotry but he
failed to denounce white nationalism by name. I want you to take a listen to his exact words on Saturday.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We condemn in the strongest possible terms, this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on
many sides, on many sides has been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama, it's been going on for a long, long
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KRIEL: CNN's Dan Merica joins us from Bridgewater, New Jersey close to where the president is on a working vacation. Dan, a tremendous amount of
criticism for President Trump's vague tweets and his words back there. In fact the Washington Post pinned an opinion piece called what a presidential
president would have said about the attack in Charlottesville yesterday. Any reaction, Dan, from the White House, all of this criticism?
DAN MERICA, CNN POLITICS PRODUCER: It is pretty clear now, you know, this morning that the White House knows that President Trump had an opportunity
yesterday, it may have not fully taken that opportunity. Just a few moments ago, a White House official told reporters - gave a statement to
reporters about what President Trump didn't say in that statement. I want to read that to you. The president said very strongly in his statement
yesterday that he condemns all forms of violence, bigotry and hatred and of course, that includes white supremacists, KKK, neo-Nazis, and all extremist
He called for national unity and bring in Americans together. Unsaid in that statement which I would like to know between White House official, it
was not on the record with someone's name attached to it is that the president didn't say yesterday. And what the criticism that he has
received from republicans, from democrats, from everyone really is that he didn't say those things. Tom Bossert, his top Homeland Security Adviser
was on CNN a few hours ago. Here's what he said about what the president said yesterday.
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TRUMP TOM BOSSERT, WHITE HOUSE HOMELAND SECURITY ADVISER: The president didn't just call for human beings to respect one another, which is his
pragmatist, core fundamental bare minimum, but he called for ideally Americans to love one another.
[11:10:14] For all of God's children to love one another. That is a fundamental assault on the hatred that we're seeing here and I guess you're
going to continue to press in the words he didn't say but I'd like you to focus for just a moment on the rest of the statement that he did say.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MERICA: Difficult question for the - for the White House Homeland Security Adviser to ask. President Trump built a career about the campaign, about
the presidency on his bluntness. And what gave way yesterday was more of vagueness, he didn't condemn white nationalist, neo-Nazis, the KKK and
instead walked out of the room when he was asked directly about that, that is unlike - President Donald Trump who uses his Twitter account, who uses
the bullet hole but to slam people.
Even republicans by name, it was quite striking to reporters and people who watch this president for months now. President Donald Trump were not fully
aware of what he's doing today. He is at his private club in Suburban, New York, in New Jersey. We asked White House officials if he is golfing, they
have not confirmed, not responded to that question to us. It is a beautiful day here, so we'll continue to watch and see what the president
gets up to today.
KRIEL: Well Dan, can you give us some examples, I mean, you talk about this bluntness of President Trump but for people who may not have been
monitoring his Twitter as journalist have ever since he really got on the campaign trail or watched all his speeches. Give us some examples of where
he has been extremely blunt and extremely obvious about what he was talking about in comparison to yesterday's as you called it vague tweets, vague
MERICA: I think if you ask Americans to give a few words to describe Donald Trump. One of the first three for sure would bluntness. He - by
name he would attack the bait moderators, Megyn Kelly of Fox News for example. By name, he attack civilians really who spoke with the democrat
national (INAUDIBLE) comes to mind as the Khan family whose son died in Iraq. By name he went after them, he went after Judge Curiel, a judge who
was deciding a case involving his company saying that his Mexican heritage made him - difficult for him to be partial towards Trump.
Just even recently, the president's Twitter account has been home to places him to by name criticize Jeff Sessions, the attorney general, Mitch
McConnell, the senate majority there. You have this pattern of President Trump using his power as president to criticize people and call them out
and name them. Not only that but he has criticized his competitors. Barack Obama for example, Hillary Clinton for not being blunt, for saying -
- not saying exactly what something is especially on the issue of terrorism. But yesterday it was striking because President Trump did
exactly what he criticized his opponent for not doing.
KRIEL: All right. Thank so much, Dan Merica live for us there. We do appreciate it. The mayor of Charlottesville has also been critical as
President Trump response, he accuse of president of stirring divisions and failing to lead, he spoke to CNN earlier.
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MICHAEL SIGNER, CHARLOTTESVILLE MAYOR: Look at the campaign he ran, I mean, look at the intentional cording both on the one hand of all these
white supremacist, white nationalist group like that, anti-semitic groups and then look on the other hand, the repeated failure to step up, condemn,
denounce, silence, you know, put to bed, all those different efforts just like we saw yesterday, I mean, this is not hard. There's, you know,
there's two words that need to be said over and over again, domestic terrorism and white supremacy. That is exactly what we saw in display this
weekend and we just aren't seeing leadership from the White House.
We certainly are going to see leadership from cities like Charlottesville from mayors, from leaders all around the country left and right.
Republicans and Democrats if there's an issue that can unite this country that this can be a turning point for this democracy I think it just
happened right now this weekend in Charlottesville. You know, I - to be honest, it doesn't matter much to be whether he's already on the - on the
sidelines I think of so many issues but the country is going to move ahead. This will be a turning point for the country to overcome this stuff just
like we've overcome these challenges in our past and I think it's happening right now as we speak.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KRIEL: If you think Mr. Trump has trouble at home just wait until we take you elsewhere in the world because he and North Korea's leader seem to be
pushing each other to the very brink. We're live in Seoul and Beijing, next. Then the American president isn't ruling out using Washington's
massive military power in Venezuela either. We're in Caracas ahead.
[11:16:40] KRIEL: You're watching CONNECT THE WORLD right here on CNN with me Robyn Kriel. Welcome back. On land in the skies and at sea, make no
mistake America is the strongest military power the world has ever seen. But it seems that's not stopping this man, North Korea's young, self-
aggrandizing leader from looking hard for trouble with it. Right now in the deepest part of this cultish regime, they're finishing up a plan to
turn his missiles that he's working in overdrive to develop that could possibly carry nuclear bombs right here to the waters just off the U.S.
territory on Guam.
CNN is on every side of the story for you. Our Anna Coren is in Seoul, a city easily in range of the North Korea - North Korea's arsenal and Will
Ripley is in China's capital, a country along seen as the only one Pyongyang actually listens to. Anna, let's start with you. Thank you.
Simply, are people nervous where you are?
ANNA COREN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Robyn, it's interesting. People are concerned but they are not alarmed. The reason I say this is
because people here in South Korea have been living with these threats for decades and Kim Jong-un, his father, and his grandfather. So, in actual
facts, people in Seoul have just been going about the normal lives and today when we're outside on the street, there's families enjoying a
beautiful Sunday afternoon. Really is quite strange considering that less than 60 kilometers away is the North Korea border where there are a
thousand artillery pieces aimed at the City of Seoul with 10 million people.
But Robyn, what's interesting is that these people was - they used to - the threats coming out of the North, they're not used to the (INAUDIBLE)
language coming out of the mouth of the U.S. president. And they believe that Donald Trump is in fact exacerbating the situation here on the Korean
peninsula. They're hoping that who in mind prevail and perhaps a voice of reason that he's coming to the region has actually arrived is the chairman
of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff General Joseph Dunford.
He arrived in country today and he is due to meet with the South Korean President Moon Jae-in. He's the new Joint Chiefs of Staff, he's national
security advisor and defense minister to obviously discuss this North Korean nuclear crisis and the plans in place if there is any provocation.
Now, there are some 600,000 troops that are combat ready in South Korea if anything takes place and obviously that visit b Yes. General Dunford, well,
it was scheduled is also to reaffirm the bilateral defense alliance that these two countries share. Obviously South Korea, Robyn, wanting
reassurance in a time like this when the president of United States continues to make these threats against North Korea really ratcheting up
tensions here on the peninsula.
KRIEL: Well, in Beijing, Beijing is seen by many experts as the only country capable of reigning in Kim Jong-un. Any signs that China is
becoming more willing to do so?
WILL RIPLEY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, in many ways, China is doubling down, Robyn on their (INAUDIBLE) position, that they're going to
remain allied with North Korea but they are also trying to call for common restraint and for both sides to avoid the actions and rhetoric that would
enflame the situation.
[11:20:08] So, China wouldn't be happy to see North Korea launch more missiles but they also are not happy to hear the rhetoric like what we
heard last week from U.S. President Donald Trump, everything from fire and fury, to locked and loaded, to boasting on Twitter about the nation's
growing nuclear arsenal. But China has a limited ability to do much more diplomatically with North Korea because the leaders have never met. Kim
Jung-un has never met with Chinese President Xi Jinping, he has met with vice president of China but it doesn't seem that China has the influence it
once did given the fact that -- for example last year just a few from now this time last year when North Korea connected their fifth nuclear test, it
didn't give China a heads up which certainly was very irritating to the government here in Beijing.
KRIEL: Well, many are calling for tougher sanctions on North Korea rather than a military option. You spent time in that country. What would more
sanctions do to it?
RIPLEY: Well this seventh round of sanctions will if they are enforced in large part here in China, it cut North Korean exports by about a third, a
billion dollars a year prohibiting them from selling things that are major money makers for the regime such as coal and iron and even seafood and also
further limiting their access to international financial institutions. However, North Korea has proven very adept in getting around the previous
six round of U.N. sanctions and they have - there's numbers of ways that they have been able to do that by setting up big companies by finding
companies and banks that will do business with them, that will find ways to work around the sanctions, even things like online gambling.
North Korea is believed to be involved in all of which bring in money for the regime not to mention alleged cybercrimes and including a major bank
heist that was rumored to bring in tens of millions of dollars to the country. And so, the sanctions are one part of the equation but they also
take a very long time to work and North Korea is believed to be just perhaps months away from having this ICBM with the nuclear warhead that
could reach the U.S. and they already have the capability to launch intermediate range missiles as far as Guam.
The question is going to be, will North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un decide to do that. There are two key days that we need to watch, Robyn. One of
them is Tuesday which is Liberation Day which march the end of colonial rule in North Korea by Japan. Tuesday could be a big day where they try to
show military force. Obviously those missiles for Guam would fly over Japan if they were going to do that missile test. And then of course a
week from tomorrow, the U.S.-South Korea joint military drills kick off which always irritate the regime and are oftentimes North Korea launches
missiles and tries to show force.
KRIEL: All right. And on that note, let's go back to Anna. The U.S. and South Korea as Will said, due to kick off their annual war games soon. Any
indications this might be cancelled or postponed because of the rising tensions between the U.S. and North Korea?
COREN: Yes, Robyn. Well, certainly there are leaders in the region that calling on both United States and South Korea to perhaps put those
exercises on hold. From what we understand they are going ahead starting on August 21 which as Will said is a week away as of tomorrow. So, really,
that will only exacerbate the situation, it certainly will antagonize Kim Jong-un and interestingly, Robyn, when Donald Trump was asked about his
language and how that is proceed here in South Korea whether it was reassuring and all, he said that the people of South Korea feel very
reassure that they're happy with his language and that he is doing much more than any former U.S. president.
When we put that to the South Korean government to - obviously the Blue House, the Defense Minister, the Foreign Ministry, we got an official
comment. So obviously that will upset Donald Trump but I think this violence speaks volumes.
KRIEL: All right. Thank you so much. Anna Coren live for us in Seoul. Will Ripley in Beijing. We do appreciate your time. We will of course
keep an eye on those key dates, Will, that you mentioned, Tuesday and August 21st when the war games kick off. Thank you. (INAUDIBLE) now. You
may remember the statement from U.S. President Donald Trump just a few days ago.
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TRUMP: I'm not going to rule out a military option. We have many options for Venezuela.
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KRIEL: Those remarks came amid the Venezuelan government's ongoing crackdown on its opposition. President Nicolas Maduro is expected to
address Mr. Trump's comments for the first time today just as U.S. Vice President Mike Pence kicks off a trip to Latin America focusing on trade
ties and security. We'll have much more on this after the break. Stay with us.
[11:27:36] KRIEL: Welcome back. This is CONNECT THE WORLD. The top stories at this hour. The FBI is opening a civil rights investigation into
an attack Saturday in which a car plowed into protesters in Virginia. One person was killed and a suspect is in custody. It happened after white
supremacist and those who opposed them fought on the street. The U.S. territory of Guam is bracing for a potential attack after North Korea's
latest missile threat. Tensions between the U.S. and Pyongyang remain high after an escalating war of words.
As world leaders called for come America's top general is gearing up to meet South Korea's president on Monday. Venezuela's president is expected
to respond to Donald Trump's threat of military action his country. Nicolas Maduro's televised address happened just as the U.S. Vice President
begins a tour of Latin America after deep and trade and security ties with the region. Let's return now to Charlottesville, Virginia, a day after
violent clashes at a white nationalist rally.
We're learning more now about the man accused of driving his car into a crowd of counter-protesters. He has been identified as this man, 20-year
old James Fields. He was arrested on suspicion of second degree murder among other charges. Police say he drove into protesters who were
demonstrating against white supremacist. Well, symbols can be incredibly powerful like the statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee stand at the
center of that violent rally in Virginia. The controversy erupted over its planned removal from a public park, such monuments bring out strong
feelings because during Civil War of the late 1800s, the confederate state in the United States forts to preserve in the south and many says that
makes confederate statues symbols of a racist past.
But others argue that they just want to preserve their heritage. Well, Julian Zelizer is a CNN political analyst and a professor of history and
public affairs at Princeton University joins me now live from New York with more on the historical context surrounding that attack in Charlottesville.
Julian, thank you. As an historian committed to documenting and preserving the past, where do you stand on this?
[11:30:02] JULIAN ZELIZER, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, look, there's two issues, there's one, the debate over what do you do with monuments or named
buildings that are named or symbolized something bad in America's history and there's no way to look at the Confederacy in the south and the Civil
War from the southern perspective as anything other than that. But there was another part and the dominating part of the events in Charlottesville
was really about White Nationalism, and that's not about monuments. That's about a battle for White Supremacy and rolling back all the gains we've
made on racial progress and gender progress, and more. And we need to separate those two because I think it's the latter that was really the
motivating force in those protests yesterday.
KRIEL: And Julian, I heard from at least one person yesterday who made the point that he had as an American fought against the Nazis, and to see that
kind of behavior and then those symbolisms, those swastikas from his fellow Americans sickened him. Is this a fact? Is this a message that is being
lost perhaps when these groups are allowed to gather in public like that?
ZELIZER: Absolutely. You know, in the United States, there is certainly a lot of restraint when it comes to prohibiting public speech or public
protests and we want that and we respect that and treasure that in the country. At the same time, that doesn't mean allowing protests that incite
violence, and it also doesn't mean that politicians or other public leaders sit by silently and don't exercise their speech about what's going on. And
so, these are symbols that are very hurtful, whether you're talking about a swastika or whether you're talking about the Confederate flag, these have a
lot of meaning and it's often related to some of the ugliest elements of the United States' history.
KRIEL: Julian, in your opinion, how will the events of yesterday and the lead up to it, the reaction from the U.S. President, how will they be
remembered in history?
ZELIZER: Well, the protest themselves and the clashes will be a terrible moment for the United States and a lot of the tensions that have been
bubbling up and have been part of American politics for a long time now, played out once again on the streets and we watched it. And people won't
forget the image of the car running into someone, and then the back of the car, an African-American almost flying in the air. And President Trump
will be remembered for what he didn't say. And I think the silence about dealing and talking about White Nationalism is something we will remember
because it has been an ongoing issue for him all the way back to the campaign. This is one group, this is one issue where he refuses to be
tough, he refuses to say what we would hope is on his mind. And so, the silence after watching all of these events will be part of the record for
KRIEL: Julian, another -- and you mention that awful photograph of someone flying up behind that vehicle as it plowed into innocent protesters, but
another thing that happened yesterday that two policemen killed in that helicopter, this also will be remembered, three people, in fact, lost their
lives yesterday. How can we better go about telling those stories and making sure that people realize that when they do have these protests that
erupt that it is not just the people fighting on the streets that are being affected.
ZELIZER: Well, obviously, there's great respect for law enforcement and what they do on a daily basis, and in these protests, it's always important
when protests happen that they're peaceful, and to remember the people left to secure the peace put their lives at risk. But the basic protest was
what created the dangerous atmosphere here. By all accounts, this wasn't because of the counter protest. This was because of White Nationalist
group's who's who of White Nationalism in America, and that means KKK-like groups gathering, coming to cause trouble, and that created that
environment. I assume most law enforcement officers were not happy about this because they understood the kind of violence they could ensue.
KRIEL: Definitely, it's fishy when you saw some of those (INAUDIBLE) members of those -- that White Nationalist, White Supremacist groups armed
to the teeth. We do appreciate your time, Julian Zelizer, joining us there live from New York, giving some historical context on yesterday's events.
ZELIZER: Thank you.
KRIEL: As we mentioned earlier, President Trump is facing pressure to denounce White Supremacists, members of his party are urging him to do so.
Senator Cory Gardner of Colorado appealed to the President on Twitter to quote, evil by its name. He spoke to CNN about why he feels it's so
important for the President to specifically call out White Nationalists.
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[11:34:57] SEN. CORY GARDNER (R), COLORADO: This is not a time for vagaries; this isn't a time for innuendo or to allow room to be read
between the lines. This is the time to lay blame, to lay blame on bigotry and to lay blame on White Supremacists on White Nationalism and on hatred.
And that needs to be said. This President has done an incredible job of naming terrorism around the globe as evil, radical Islamic terrorism where
there's in Europe or the Middle East, he has said and called it out time and time again. And this President needs to do exactly that today, call
this White Supremacism, this White Nationalism evil and let the country hear -- let the world hear it. It's something that needs to come from the
Oval Office. And this White House needs to do it today.
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KRIEL: The White House meantime says, of course, Mr. Trump condemns extremists but I want to talk about all of those more with Larry Sabato.
He heads up the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia which is in Charlottesville. Larry, you live right there, tell us what you saw
DR. LARRY SABATO, DIRECTOR, CENTER FOR POLITICS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA: Well, first, I saw everything on Friday night because all of
these White Supremacists, hundreds of them, walked passed my residence of (INAUDIBLE) on Jefferson's lawn to go out to the front of the rotunda and
beat up some counter protesters. It was a disturbing sight and the sounds were worse because it was very reminiscent with the torches of Germany in
the early 1930s as they chanted, you will not replace it, alternated with, Jews will not replace us. It's disturbing and I'll have a -- I'll have a
hard time getting that out of my head and lots of other people will, too.
Yesterday, of course, was even worse with the act of terrorism, and there was -- there were, even more, altercations and fist fights and all the rest
of it, and just the kind of hatred that a university town almost never sees. It was discouraging, and the worst part of it may have come later on
when President Trump could not even denounce the White Supremacists and the White Nationalists who had done this. Why? Because they're part of his
base and they voted for him. And second, because he has some White Nationalists sitting in the White House as staff members to him.
KRIEL: In your opinion, Larry, can you tell us about more of those White Nationalists sitting in the White House?
SABATO: Certainly, Steve Bannon is the best example and Sebastian Gorka, too. But Steve Bannon has been a close adviser to Trump during the
campaign and also in the White House. He has been associated with White Nationalists' causes, he's encouraged them, he was at Breitbart for a long
time. This is no secret. And so, if President Trump denounced White Nationalism and White Supremacists as evil, then he would also be calling
some of his own staffers, evil. And he would have to follow up, but of course, he has no intention of doing so, at least, not right now.
KRIEL: Larry, realistically, how much did -- what happened yesterday have to do with President Donald Trump and the type of Presidential campaign
that he ran?
SABATO: Oh, I think it's -- there's a direct connection. And many of these participants, these White Supremacists, when they were interviewed,
they actually said that. They said, we have been empowered, we have been energized by Donald Trump. We worked for him, his victory told us the
people are with us, and so we decided to take action now that we have a sympathetic President. They said it in their own words.
KRIEL: How telling is it, Larry, that several other well-known Republicans have denounced White Supremacy in various forms on Twitter and, indeed, we
heard earlier from the Mayor of Charlottesville, how significant -- how significant is this break from Donald Trump, do you think?
SABATO: It's important. I salute them for doing it because it's never easy and no doubt they're hearing from Trump's call to about how terrible
they are, but they did the right thing, and they also benefited themselves politically, because they do not want to be associated with the kinds of
things that Donald Trump now apparently is standing for, and in the next election, they can point to those statements and tweets and interviews as
evidence that they put distance between themselves and Trump. Also, it's just manifestly obvious. When you have conservatives like Senator Marco
Rubio from Florida and Senator Cory Gardner from Colorado, coming out and saying, Mr. President, this is evil. Can't you say it's evil? And then he
doesn't. What does that tell you?
KRIEL: Larry, what would you like to hear from President Donald Trump today? Is it possible for him to fix what happened yesterday?
SABATO: No. They just released another statement which is unsigned, which denounces White Supremacists, and they meant to say neo-Nazis. It actually
reads nephew Nazis. It's too late. It's not him. It doesn't matter what he says. What matters is what he does. Will he rid his White House of
these White Nationalists? If he does, we'll listen. If he doesn't, he's already given us all the evidence we need about what he is.
[11:40:13] KRIEL: All right. Thank you so much, Larry Sabato, joining us from Charlottesville, Virginia, who witnessed a lot of the protests
yesterday and saw some pretty, pretty scary things. Thank you so much, Larry, live for us in Virginia.
SABATO: Thank you.
KRIEL: Live from Atlanta, this is CONNECT THE WORLD. And still ahead, we remember a painful beginning. India and Pakistan marked 70 years in
partition this week. A walk through the turbulence event that led to it, next.
Plus, courts in the middle. Guam heaps of (INAUDIBLE) even, as the U.S. territory faces a threat of a North Korean missile attack. We'll bring you
a live report on the showdown between Washington and Pyongyang.
KRIEL: You're watching CNN and this is CONNECT THE WORLD with me, Robyn Kriel. Welcome back. No panic, just prayers for peace, as the people of
Guam spend a Sunday considering the unthinkable. North Korea says that the planning to launch missiles at the U.S. territory possibly within days.
And residents are being advised on how to stay safe in a potential attack. This comes as the chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff is making
preparations of his own to meet South Korea's President on Monday. World leaders are calling for calm after both Pyongyang and Washington turned up
the heat on their military rhetoric.
I want to bring in CNN's Kyung Lah, who is live for us in Tokyo. Kyung, in the crosshairs, Japan of North Korea and its threat in the line of fire
reporting to threats from that country. What is Tokyo doing to mitigate those threats?
KYUNG LAH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, the very latest that we're hearing from the Japanese government is that they have now in
place -- they have the ground-based PAC-3 missile interceptors they have in place in the southwestern portion of Japan. They are in place, they are
armed, and they are pointed to the sky. We need to be very clear here, that these are the areas that were specifically named by North Korea in
that threat to Guam, that those were the areas that the missile, a potential missile might fly over the Japanese, are putting these missile
interceptors there as a strictly-defensive measure. This is not offensive, it is defensive in case anything falls down towards this country. And so,
Robyn, this is a posture that the country is doing to try to reassure its people that they are trying, at least, defensively to try to protect this
KRIEL: Kyung, Donald Trump has said that Japan and other U.S. allies such as South Korea and Guam feel safe and he says happy with assurances from
the U.S. and the line that he's drawn in the sand for Kim Jong-un, is there a sense of happiness on the ground?
[11:45:09] LAH: Happy? Yes -- no. That's a very simple answer. The people we have talked to, and I want to just share a couple of stories
we've heard from people who lived in Hiroshima. Hiroshima, as you know, is a city that was completely devastated by one of the only atomic bombs that
was ever dropped on this planet during World War II by the Americans. And the people who lived there, these are people who actually survived the
atomic bomb, whose entire families were obliterated, they were vaporized by that bomb.
And they say, no, they're not happy, they're concerned. They're very concerned because they hear the echoes of a past that they actually
experienced, that these two leaders, the leader in North Korea and the leader in America need to open up their history books, and remember that
real lives were lost. That these are not just words, that these are not just items in a missile, that these are actually weapons of war that can
kill millions of people.
KRIEL: Certainly, a very painful history there. Thank you so much, Kyung Lah, live for us from Tokyo. We do appreciate it. A common history that
continues to divide. India and Pakistan are mocking the 70th anniversary of their partition this week. It spawned one of the biggest migrations
ever as Hindus and Muslims flooded the new border to live on -- with their communities. The trauma and the scars of that partition last to this day.
Mallika Kapur takes us through to how it all came about.
MALLIKA KAPUR, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: They are neighbors with a shared history but a fractured present. 70 years ago this week, British
rulers sliced a giant Indian empire into two countries, a new Hindu majority India and Pakistan home to mostly Muslims. From the 18th century
through independence, the British empire in India stretched from Afghanistan in the west to Burma in the east. But by the 1940s, anti-
colonial sentiments swelled in many British colonies around the world, including India.
The march for India's independence grew led by freedom fighters: Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, Jawaharlal Nehru, and Mohammad Ali Jinnah, who favored a
separate state for India's Muslim minorities. India was burning (INAUDIBLE) tensions between Hindus and Muslims spiraled out of control
caused to end British rule were waiting boiling point.
On the back of a costly second world war, Britain lacked the will and the means to defeat the independence movement. Britain decided to quit India.
In March 1947, Naval Officer (INAUDIBLE) was appointed the Viceroy of India to oversee the handover of power. He assigned British lawyer, Cyril
Radcliffe, to draw the partition line. In just six weeks, he finalized the plan to divide India along religious lines. There would be a new India, a
secular India. Though, it's rather Hindu majority would live and a separate country called Pakistan for Muslims. On midnight of August 14th,
1947, the British empire officially transferred power to India and Pakistan.
After nearly two centuries of colonial rule, India became a sovereign nation, and Pakistan was born. Jinnah became head of the newly-formed
Pakistan, Nehru became the first Prime Minister of India.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At the stroke of the midnight hour, when the world sleeps, India will awake to light and freedom.
KAPUR: The partition is still one of the largest human migrations the world has ever seen. Millions of Hindus and Sikhs living in Pakistan
headed to India. Millions of Muslims migrated to Pakistan in trains (INAUDIBLE) on foot. In a matter of months, at least, 10 million people
moved across the borders. At least a million Hindus, Muslims, and Sikhs died in communal attacks as they crossed the border. Tens of thousands of
women and girls were abducted and raped, families were divided. 24 years later in 1971, the east wing of Pakistan split away to become a separate
country called Bangladesh, the west side remained as present-day Pakistan.
India and Pakistan have fought four wars since 1947, mostly fueled by disputes over the northern Jammu and Kashmir. Both countries claim it in
its entirety but only control parts of it. Though both sides have attempted to restore peace many times, they remain, hostile nuclear-armed
neighbors, even today. Mallika Kapur, CNN Amritsar, India.
[11:50:02] KRIEL: You'll find much more on this story in our Web sites, cnn.com, including our look at how the descendants of those who fled Delhi
have made their mark on one of Pakistan's biggest cities. For a taste of India in the heart of Pakistan, check out Sophia Saifi's report on cnn.com.
Now, to other stories from that region that we're monitoring at this hour, there's fury in India over the death of dozens of children last week in a
state-run hospital. Reuters now reports that the hospital chief has been suspended and an investigation has been launched in Uttar Pradesh.
Hospital officials have denied reports that the (INAUDIBLE) deaths linked to oxygen deliveries being stopped because the hospital hadn't paid the
And in Quetta, Pakistan, the local branch of ISIS said it carried out a bombing in a crowded market that killed at least 15 people on Saturday.
The chief of the city's bomb squad says, initial information suggested that a suicide attacker ran a motorcycle into a military vehicle.
And this is just in, the co-founder of the al-Shabab terror group has surrendered himself to authorities inside Somalia. Mukhtar Robow Ali was
the group's deputy leader and spokesman until he left in 2013 after falling out with its leader. Robow often talks for his surrender last week and was
then attacked by al-Shabab militants in his hometown. He's expected to hold a news conference in Mogadishu soon. CNN will bring you any major
developments from that.
You're watching CONNECT THE WORLD. Coming up next, painful end to mark a remarkable career. Usain Bolt makes his final farewell to the (INAUDIBLE)
on the track.
KRIEL: You're watching CNN and this is CONNECT THE WORLD with me, Robyn Kriel, welcome back. Well, the fastest man alive is often seen sprinting
at record speeds, but on the final leg of the men's 4x100 relay. Usain Bolt was on his own last leg and on the ground in agonizing pain. Amanda
Davies has more.
AMANDA DAVIES, CNN INTERNATIONAL SPORTS PRESENTER: We were expecting dramatic, but nobody wanted to see that, the greatest sprint athlete of
all-time whose body has allowed him to do what nobody else has done before, lying flat on the track with this, just a race too far. We saw last week
and that sport doesn't always have the fairytale endings with that bronze medal in the 100 meters individual race, but that result just made the
desire for one final top of the podium finish all the more important.
For a man who turned 31 next week, it won't, though, detract from his legacy and what he has done since bursting onto the scene at the Beijing
Olympics in 2008, eight Olympic golds, 11 world championship golds. He has written and rewritten the record books and set new standards for people not
only in athletics but across sports. In hindsight, there are those who will say, perhaps Rio in last year's Olympics should have been his final
fling, but he was hoping for one golden goodbye. We knew that these championships would signal a handing over of the baton, perhaps, though,
just not so soon and not in such cruel fashion. Amanda Davies, CNN London.
[11:55:10] KRIEL: Speaking of endings that come too soon, it's now time for us to wrap up the show for the day. But remember, you can find
everything we -- the CONNECT THE WORLD team are working on throughout the day from here in Atlanta to London, Abu Dhabi and beyond by surfing on over
here to facebook.com/cnnconnect.
Before we go, an update on our top story. We've just learned that the suspect in the car-ramming attack in Charlottesville is being held without
bond. 20-year-old James Fields will be back in court on Monday morning. He's accused of plowing into a group of protesters, killing one and
wounding almost 20 others in Charlottesville, Virginia. I'm Robyn Kriel, that was CONNECT THE WORLD. Thank you for watching.