Return to Transcripts main page

Crime and Justice With Ashleigh Banfield

Graphic Text Messages; Horrifying Discovery Aired; Road Rage Attack. 8-9p ET

Aired September 25, 2017 - 20:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HOST (voice-over): Police say this John Wayne Gacy super-fan murdered his own mom.

QUESTION: You`re not even bothered by the fact that your mother was found today?

NATHANIEL SEBASTIAN, CHARGED WITH KILLING MOTHER: No.

BANFIELD: Then buried her under the porch, just like his hero.

SEBASTIAN: I love my mother.

BANFIELD: But those who knew him say the red flags were there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He showed up at my house several times like that, throwing rocks at the house.

BANFIELD: His girlfriend and her family say they`ve seen that temper before.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They always had arguments, fights and stuff.

BANFIELD: Why he hopes they put Nathaniel Sebastian away for good.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m hoping maybe they`re just going to keep him there.

BANFIELD: Anthony Weiner will do hard time.

ANTHONY WEINER, FORMER CONGRESSMAN: These things are in my past.

BANFIELD: The former congressman sent to prison.

WEINER: I have not been honest with myself, my family...

BANFIELD: For sexting with an underage girl.

WEINER: I`m responsible for this behavior that led us to be in this place.

BANFIELD: Two of his sexting partners join us live to discuss the Carlos Danger they knew.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Apparently, he doesn`t think he can handle (INAUDIBLE)

BANFIELD: And how they feel about Weiner`s rise and fall.

For months, no one knew what happened to Shannon Graves (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) Oh, my God, call the police.

BANFIELD: Until she turned up in the freezer of an unsuspecting couple.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Me and my wife just screaming!

BANFIELD: Shannon had been chopped into pieces and frozen in plastic bags.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

BANFIELD: Now the friend who gave them the freezer is charged with murder, along with his brand-new girlfriend.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Seemed like a nice guy. He was genuinely a nice guy to me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She looked like she wanted to kill me.

BANFIELD: A savage road rage attack caught on an eyewitness`s cell phone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was at a rage where I`ve never seen before.

BANFIELD: A young woman dragged from her car.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why are you attacking me?

BANFIELD: Beaten.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She looked like she wanted to kill me.

BANFIELD: And knocked unconscious.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I never thought that they would get out of their car and run towards me.

BANFIELD: What`s worse, cops have arrested a mom and her daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No one, like, had to get hurt.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: Good evening, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield.

It is not like there weren`t red flags, like 911 calls and police reports, a mother afraid of her own son, a girlfriend afraid of the violence. And

yet somehow, when Nathaniel Sebastian`s mother went missing, he wasn`t the focus of the initial investigation.

It would be months until she was found, when investigators say Nathaniel decided to finally blurt out that his mom, Susan Mayo, was buried under the

porch, rotting inside a 55-gallon drum. She`d been shot in the head, and police say Granny helped Nathaniel get rid of the gun. And police say up

until then, Nathaniel had a pretty good poker face about where his missing mom was.

Here`s what he told our affiliate just weeks before his mom was found.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

NATHANIEL SEBASTIAN, ACCUSED OF KILLING MOTHER: Oh, I`m horribly depressed, you know? I mean, I got these texts, you know, trying to claim

murder when they should be looking for my mother, you know? This has all been a three-ring circus.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Well, that three-ring circus was about to become a four-ring circus because we`re now starting to learn a whole lot more about the guy

who worshiped serial killer John Wayne Gacy, and if the police have it right, threatened to kill his mother before.

In fact, Nathaniel`s ex-girlfriend saw the violent tendencies and herself made a break for it, being rescued from his home by her brother and her

father.

Bobby Williams is that father of Nathaniel Sebastian`s ex-girlfriend. And he joins me live from Sims (ph), Alabama. Mr. Williams, thanks so much for

being on. I cannot imagine what you`re going through knowing what has happened to Nathaniel`s mother. I`m wondering if you think it could have

been possible that could have happened to your daughter?

BOBBY WILLIAMS, FATHER OF EX-GIRLFRIEND (via telephone): Well, like I said, you know, I didn`t know at the time when I first met the guy. He was

putting up, like, a big front, you know, and all this stuff. He seemed like a nice guy. And we didn`t know.

He didn`t start turning until -- you know, being bad until way later. I did not know that. We went through a hard time with him, like we said, you

know? I`ve had to have him arrested a couple times for busting the windshield out of my truck. He was throwing fits. He was doing all these

other things like that, you know? And he was threatening us. So every time he ever come over to my house, I had to call the law, you know? He

was a violent person.

[20:05:04]BANFIELD: It`s hard to believe -- you know, Mr. Williams, it is hard to believe that upon your first meeting with this young man, who

blurted out as the police say to them, Mom`s under the porch, and was rude to them and controversial and cantankerous with them, critical of the

police all while they were looking for his mother -- it`s hard to believe the way you described him as nice and courteous when you first met him.

Take me back to those first days.

WILLIAMS: Well, that`s what I`m saying. I mean, when I first met the guy, you know, he seemed like a nice guy when I first met the guy, you know, and

everything. And then, like, he would kind of go down -- as we was going down the road with the guy, you know, my daughter is dating him and all

that and he seemed like he was pretty nice at that point. Of course, he never did, you know, let a whole lot about (INAUDIBLE) nothing like that.

But you know, I mean, he -- I never did catch onto him about maybe his personality or nothing until after we had done -- my daughter`s calling me,

telling me, you know, about where she started crying about where he told her that she would never come home again or never see us again, things like

that, you know?

And that`s when I said, OK, do you want to come home? She said, Yes, I do. So went over that morning, and she -- - they had the gate locked because

she couldn`t get out. She was still pregnant at the time. So me and my son had to pick her up over the gate to get her out of there. And she left

her stuff. And she was still upset and all. So we got her in the car, and we left.

BANFIELD: So this is like -- you`re describing what is a virtual rescue of your pregnant daughter, who is pregnant with Nathaniel Sebastian`s baby and

can`t get out because the gate is locked. And you`re describing, effectively, you and your son having to go and get your daughter physically

away from this man`s residence. How did he react to that?

WILLIAMS: Well, I mean, it scared me. You know what I`m saying? Because I mean, when she was telling me about what he said about she`d never see us

again and things like that, and the first thought in my mind, like, oh, God, he`s done flipped or something.

And he wasn`t there. He was at work. And his mom was there at the time. And she told me and she told my daughter and I, said -- she told Karen

(ph), my daughter -- she said, Go ahead. She said, If you`re leaving, leave. Don`t come back. I don`t want you back in this yard. I don`t want

you back at my house, da, da, da, as she walked off. I said, Well -- I said, OK, (INAUDIBLE) I said, I`m sorry, you know, any inconvenience, and

we got in the vehicle and we left.

Well, when we left, I didn`t know that he done knocked off work and come from work over to my house when we was gone, and he done beat my windshield

in on my truck (INAUDIBLE) My neighbor seen it, seen him out there doing it. And we come back, and he done left out. We didn`t see him. So my

neighbor come out telling me all about it. And we called the law, made a report and all that stuff. And I mean, it was a pretty scary situation,

you know (INAUDIBLE)

BANFIELD: So you had seen a violent tendency before. I want to just play, if I can, Mr. Williams, what Nathaniel Sebastian was like when he was

being, what we call, perp walked, while the police were walking him between appearances. He had handcuffs on, but in his mouth, they discovered after

this what you`re about to see -- they discovered he had a homemade handcuff key. So he`s actually facing a charge for having that when he was brought

in to be processed on the murder of his mother.

Here he is doing the walk with the handcuff key in his mouth, being asked questions by reporters. Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

QUESTION: They said that you confessed. Did you confess? Did you kill your mother?

SEBASTIAN: No comment.

QUESTION: How did you know she was under the porch?

SEBASTIAN: No comment.

QUESTION: You don`t have anything to say in defense of yourself? I mean, they`re calling you a monster, killed your mother, put her under the porch?

SEBASTIAN: I love my mother.

QUESTION: What happened?

QUESTION: Why are you being arrested?

SEBASTIAN: No comment.

QUESTION: You`re not even bothered by the fact that your mother was found today?

SEBASTIAN: No.

QUESTION: You`re not bothered by that?

SEBASTIAN: Uh-uh.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: That`s got to be very difficult for friends and family of the victim, Susan Mayo, to hear that.

I also want to play, if I can, Mr. Williams, something that we found on Nathaniel Sebastian`s Facebook. It`s a video that he posted of himself

cooking dinner, and apparently in the pan -- sure looks like it and he`s sure talking about it -- appears to be a snake. Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEBASTIAN: Tonight! Snake! Is what to eat. Tonight! Snake! Is what to eat.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

[20:10:04]BANFIELD: These are the kinds of things that would be very frightening, I would think, for someone like your daughter to witness and

to see. And this is your daughter`s first boyfriend, but you have told us that your daughter is not his first girlfriend. You`ve talked about

another girlfriend in his past when he was about 14. What is the story behind that other girlfriend from when he was 14?

WILLIAMS: Well, this -- he -- and this is what he had told me one time. He said that he was dating a girl 14 years old, and apparently, it was when

he was going to some kind of school. I don`t know what kind of school he went to or nothing about that. But he said he was dating some girl who was

14 years old. And he had brought her home. I think she even moved in with him.

And next thing I know, she got into it with them or something or other, and then, I don`t know, she left or -- with some older guy or something or what

happened to that deal. I still can`t make heads or tail out of all that.

BANFIELD: But you`re saying that he had a baby with a 14-year-old?

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: Do you know that -- what do you know? Do you know what he has said -- sorry, Mr. Williams -- do you know what he has said about having

had another child with a 14-year-old? And then are you taking his story that that child...

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: We didn`t know all this until after -- like I said, until -- we didn`t know all this until this year we found out. That`s when we found

out about this. It wasn`t from the beginning or none of that. It was this year we found out about that. We don`t know the truth. Or we don`t

know...

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: (INAUDIBLE) we don`t know what`s the facts.

BANFIELD: These are stories coming from him, correct?

WILLIAMS: You could hear a lot of things, right. You could hear a lot of things. Whether it`s here or there, I don`t know. I mean...

BANFIELD: Sure. Stand by, Mr. Williams. I want to bring in Captain Paul Burch with the Mobile County sheriff`s office. Captain, we`re hearing so

many things since this terrible news has been unraveling about what happened to Mrs. Mayo under the porch. And it seems as though it`s hard to

separate fact from rumor, but there are a lot of frightening rumors that have been rolling in from a lot of different sources.

For instance, the ex-girlfriend of Nathaniel Sebastian says that he had talked about having a 14-year-old girlfriend at one point, with whom he had

a baby, and somehow, that baby disappeared, as did the girlfriend. Do you know anything about that, Captain?

CAPT. PAUL BURCH, MOBILE COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE (via telephone): No, ma`am. That`s the first I`m hearing of that. As you did state, there are

a lot of rumors and innuendoes, and unfortunately, we are tasked with running down each and every one of those. So we will be having a

conversation with Mr. Williams and his daughter, you know, probably tomorrow about that.

BANFIELD: And of course, the number one source, Captain, would be Nathaniel Sebastian himself. And the last you and I talked, he had invoked

his right to counsel and had pretty much buttoned up. Is that still the case? Can you get to him? Can you interview him?

BURCH: No, ma`am. When he attended his preliminary hearing, he was appointed an attorney. And so being that he`s represented, you know, we

can`t (INAUDIBLE)

BANFIELD: What about this other story that has been circulating? And it`s not the first day that we`ve heard it, that there was apparently, a younger

sibling of Nathaniel Sebastian who died in his care possibly two decades ago. There`s now a report of a teacher coming forward to the police to

say, I know about this story. I think I was a part of his life back then. What can you tell me about that?

BURCH: Well, we did, in fact, talk with that teacher again today, and we`re aggressively trying to track down any kind of records that may lead

us, you know, to more information about that.

As I said in previous interviews, this was well over 25 years ago. Record keeping back then is not what it is now, and that`s one obstacle that we`re

having to overcome. But we will pursue it one way or another until we find out, you know, if, in fact, there was a sibling or not.

BANFIELD: But so far, no breaks in that sibling issue, in that story of a sibling who died in his care? No breaks in that yet?

BURCH: No, ma`am. We had the taxes (ph) meeting with school board officials to see if we could track down old records and just kind of go

from there and -- you know, just a place to start.

BANFIELD: Do you think there are other victims beyond the two that we`re discussing right now?

BURCH: I really don`t know. But there are some interesting items on his Web searches that we`re looking into, but I`m not at liberty to go into

detail about that right now.

[20:15:02]BANFIELD: Understand. Since you brought up, you know, his on- line behavior, I want to, if I can, go over a couple of Facebook posts. There`s one allegedly from the day of his mother`s death. It`s not 100

percent clear if it`s the exact day, but it sure is close. And he posted that he felt confused, but he also posted the words, "I just don`t get it."

So you can see his status is feeling confused. But "I just don`t get it." Has that led you anywhere or is that just one more piece of the puzzle?

BURCH: It`s just one more piece of the puzzle. You all have been able to uncover some of the same Facebook history that we have. And he just posts

bizarre, you know, sayings and actions. You know, so it`s...

BANFIELD: By the way, there`s a couple more here. The mother, poor Susan Mayo, had posted just a couple months before to a friend on Facebook. The

friend say, I pray all is well with you. And Susan replied, Yes and no. Pray for us, my dear, especially for my son, Nathaniel" -- which is

terrifying to think what was going to happen to her in just a couple of months.

And then there were these Facebook posts from Nathaniel himself. On January 12th, he wrote, If I`m creepy, somebody tell me so and tell me why

I am creepy so that way, maybe I won`t be creepy. And then on April 12th of this year, he wrote, I guess it`s that bad. I messaged a girl or two

and I get block. I mean, I not rude or rush you into a relationship or anything, but Jesus, just outright block me? Is it that bad? Syntax and

punctuation is all his.

And then this last one from May 7. You know, it`s amazing nobody go out with anyone on Facebook. God, you girls are paranoid.

I guess my last question is, since he seemed to be wearing his heart on his Facebook sleeve, are you learning anything from his digital communications

and his on-line behavior that`s taking this investigation further than Susan Mayo?

BURCH: Well, you know, we would certainly love to talk with anyone who had any kind of relationship with him, however brief, you know, but he

certainly shows that more than wearing his heart on his sleeve, he has social issues in dealing with women, if you just go by those posts.

BANFIELD: Yes, and the pictures, too. I mean, we`ve seen a picture, as well, of one of his guns on top of a T-shirt that has a skull on it, and it

was posted with another photo that had just an array of bullets. He clearly had a penchant for guns. These were just the pictures that were,

you know, at the surface we could find. There was also, you know, a video of him playing the guitar with a rack of guns. His girlfriend had said,

you know, he was very fond of his guns.

Captain Paul Burch, thank you. We`re going to continue to watch this story with you to see if this does go into a broader investigation than just the

death of Susan Mayo. My thanks, as well, to Bobby Williams.

Serial sexter -- guess there`s really no other way to put it, right, when you`re talking about Anthony Weiner? Well, you can put it this way. He`s

going to prison. We`re going to speak with two of the women that he traded a lot of dirty messages with. Sydney Leathers and Lisa Weiss (ph) are

straight ahead.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[20:22:45]BANFIELD: We all make mistakes, probably, you know, several each day. But when your mistakes start ruining your life, most of us know that

it`s time to make a change, right? Most of us are not Anthony Weiner, the one-time Democratic congressman turned lying sexter turned mayoral

candidate, again turned lying sexter, and then finally turned convicted sex offender for doing dirty stuff with a 15-year-old girl on line.

For all of his remarkable lying and nasty behavior while married to a long- suffering wife, Anthony Weiner has today earned himself a bunk in a federal prison, and he`ll be parking his business there for the better part of two

years for transferring obscene material to a minor. That`s kind of officially what you call it, but it was doing really dirty stuff with a

kid. That`s how the rest of us look at it.

So it`s hard time for the Weiner who chose the on-line moniker Carlos Danger, 21 months, and then another three years supervised release. He`s

going to have to register as a sex offender, which carries a huge, long list of requirements in itself. But too much, do you think? Maybe not

enough, do you think? We`re talking to some of the women from Weiner`s prior scandals in a moment.

But first to CNN correspondent Jean Casarez, who was in the courtroom this morning for the sentencing. So Jean, how did he take it?

JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I saw so many emotions. I saw up and down. So I`m in the front row and I`m sort of on the side, so I really saw

his face. And when he walked into the courtroom before the sentencing, I mean, he was nervous, jaw clenched, tight, continually as his attorney was

arguing for probation. When his attorney said his family sees him changing day by day, he started to cry. So that`s when the emotions started. And

then he gave his own allocution (ph) begging for mercy and he cried...

BANFIELD: Didn`t he say something like, This is my rock bottom?

CASAREZ: This is my rock bottom. I take it day by day. Every day, I strive to make a new day. I am an addict. I took the hopes and dreams of

my wife and just threw them away.

But when the judge then was announcing the sentence -- you never know where she`s going, and it sounded like he was going to get probation because she

was really applauding him for having individual counseling and group counseling. And I saw his expression change, and he was not so distraught

anymore.

[20:25:08]And then she turns it and says, But deterrence is the main thing here, and you`re high-profile. And if anybody can learn from this and not

do it, then there`s a light...

BANFIELD: You`re going to the slammer! You`re going to the slammer, bro!

CASAREZ: And maybe, you know, if he`d had that happen to him at another time, it`d have spared a lot of people in his wake a lot of pain and

suffering. But technically, he`s a first offender because the other stuff he did was with consenting adults, and that`s really immoral given that

he`s married with a baby.

CASAREZ: But he had scoring so high, it was higher than the 10-year maximum for the sentence.

BANFIELD: By the way, I noticed no Huma. She has been, you know, pretty much there for him all along, including last week asking the judge to go

easy. But today, no sign of her.

BANFIELD: But she wrote a letter.

CASAREZ: She wrote a letter.

BANFIELD: Big deal.

(CROSSTALK)

CASAREZ: But the judge said, I took all the letters very seriously. She said, I`m doing this for my son, and I want my son to not be hurt in all of

this. So she was sort of asking for probation but not asking for probation.

BANFIELD: I just wonder why she wasn`t there physically. She`s been there at his side. Of course, they`re separating. And then you see the sad

clown face in the divorce hearing where they wanted to keep it, you know, anonymous and the judge said no, which may have spurned -- spawned that

look. But she was not there for today.

CASAREZ: No.

BANFIELD: Hold on for a second, Jean, I have another question for you, but not before I want to introduce a couple of other people integrally involved

in this story, Sydney Leathers. I know you know the name because she`s one of the women who engaged in some of those very racy messages with Anthony

Weiner. This was after the first scandal had cost him his job. He was using this alias Carlos Danger in their communications.

Sydney`s live with me from Evansville, Indiana. Sydney, thanks so much for being with me. I guess what`s your reaction to all of -- you`re not a

minor. This is consenting. He was married. He was cheating. He was nasty. He`d already done that. He`d apologized. He begged us all for a

second chance, and then they ended up with you. So now you`re looking at him having done the third chance and ending up with a 15-year-old. How do

you feel about today?

SYDNEY LEATHERS, SEXTED WITH WEINER: So I was 22 when I first started talking to him. And when I look back now, I just think of how naive and

immature and just what an idiot I was at 22. So to think how naive and immature you are at 15, you know, it`s just kind of mind-blowing. So he

deserves prison time for what he did. She`s a kid.

BANFIELD: She`s a kid.

LEATHERS: So I`m glad he didn`t just -- yes, and I`m glad he didn`t just get probation because I do think because he`s a public figure, he does kind

of need to be made an example of.

BANFIELD: I think at one point, you know, along this whole chain -- not today, that`s for sure, but he was sort of suggesting, Well, come on, that

15-year-old was shopping a book out there, like a 15-year-old has any part in a sex act with a grown married man with a child. Whatever the 15-year-

old does is not her fault. And that`s just the law. You know, Sydney, it`s just so frustrating to hear the blame game that goes on here.

I want to play something, Sydney, because I watched that documentary, "Weiner," where he had gone through his disaster and lost his congressional

seat. He had to, you know, resign in shame after tweeting out his package, asked for forgiveness from everybody. And then two years later, it was

revealed that a year prior, he`d been sexting with you.

And all of it happened on camera while he was in the back of a car service probably on his way to some mayoral event because he was trying to run for

mayor and, like, do the big comeback. And all of a sudden, his PR people are, like, Oh, guess what? Someone named Sydney Leathers has come up.

So I want to just play that moment. Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just want to look at the questions and talk to you about how you answer those. So the answer to, Were people in the campaign

other than Huma aware? No. Had there been multiple on-line exchanges with multiple people?

(CROSSTALK)

WEINER: This is the last (INAUDIBLE) for this information.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can I just say multiple people or is it just this one?

WEINER: I think you got to -- I mean, there was more than one. So I think we`ve got to answer the question.

(CROSSTALK)

WEINER: The problem was that the series of interviews that I did when I got in the race were after this. And people asked me, Is the number still

the same? I think I said the six to Dominic and then I cleaned it up in subsequent interviews because I knew that was a problem. The question is,

do we answer it or not? I think we have to answer these questions.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think we have to answer it because if somebody else comes out and we don`t...

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So I`m going to say?

WEINER: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So there he is at work. You know, you can see the machine chugging around just like it`s chugged around three times when these things

happened, Sydney. He actually ended up coming out and trying to just sort of put it all out there while still running for mayor. I mean, he was

charging straight ahead for that job, even though you were a whole part of the zeitgeist at that point. And here is the press conference he gave

about being responsible for it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WEINER: I`m responsible for this behavior that led us to be in this place. But in many ways, things are not that much different than they were

yesterday. This behavior that I did was problematic, to say the least, destructive, to say the most, caused many stresses and strains in my

marriage. But I`m pleased and blessed that she has given me a second chance.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: No, Anthony, that was a third chance and you asked for a fourth. And poor Huma looks like she`s in a hostage video at that point. When you

watched all that, Sydney, knowing that you were a part of it, I mean, you`re not blameless here because you were getting in with a married guy,

but you certainly weren`t --

SYDNEY LEATHERS, EXCHANGED EXPLICIT MESSAGES WITH ANTHONY WEINER: Yes, but I was also a 22-year-old young woman, so sure, I`m not blameless, but I`m

definitely not the villain I was made out to be in that documentary, you know. Those people didn`t even ask for my side of it. They don`t talk about

the fact that I was actually outed by BuzzFeed.

I didn`t want to be connected to this story at all. I was outed. So, the documentary doesn`t go into any of that. It just simply tries to vilify me.

And it really hurt me because it came out several years after the scandal when I was getting ready to graduate from college. So, you know, I`m trying

to --

BANFIELD: Let`s be really clear. There`s nothing illegal about talking, you know, talking to someone online.

LEATHERS: Yes.

BANFIELD: Let`s not vilify someone who didn`t break the law here. Real quickly --

LEATHERS: You have to understand. I got death threats, I got rape threats. And that all started up again because this documentary kind of reminded

people of everything and really painted me in a negative light. So, yes --

BANFIELD: It was unacceptable. I mean, it really is unacceptable. Real quickly, he`s saying all the time that he`s sick. He keeps saying oh, I got

a sickness, I got an illness, I got to get counseling, I got to get therapy. What`s your buy on that?

LEATHERS: I think it`s just a load of garbage. You know, the funny thing is in these situations, no one ever makes allowances for a woman and says oh,

she`s a sex addict. It`s only the men that ever get to use that as an excuse. That`s one thing I find really amusing about these situations.

You know, I never once heard anyone use that for a woman. No one said, hey, maybe Sydney is a sex addict. You know, that was never something that was

used for me, you know, to kind of make an excuse for me. It`s only something that`s used for powerful men, really. So, I just think it`s

garbage.

BANFIELD: He tried to do the same thing to you that he did to the 15-year- old by suggesting to everybody well, the 15-year-old was out there shopping a book and this was probably a whole conspiracy against me. He pulled the

same thing with you, didn`t he?

LEATHERS: Yes, and I actually think he might have been behind me being outed. He actually released the 15-year-old`s identity to several outlets.

And I think he might have been the one that gave BuzzFeed my identity. Because initially, I had given stuff anonymously and he obviously knew it

was me giving that anonymous information. I think he wanted to punish me and I think he wanted to ruin my life.

You know, I mean, I contemplated suicide when BuzzFeed outed me. It was a really serious thing to me. I wasn`t some fame whore who wanted to be

attached to this. It really, really impacted my life and changed my life and wasn`t necessarily a positive thing for me. I don`t think anyone wants

that kind of fame. That`s not fame. That`s infamy. And that`s not something I would know people that would go --

BANFIELD: You don`t deserve to have threats made, you know, on life. Hold on one second, Sydney, I want to bring in Lisa Weiss if I can. She also

exchanged explicit messages on Facebook with Anthony Weiner. It was back in 2011. He was still a congressman back then. She joins me now from Las

Vegas. Lisa, thanks so much for being with me. So, I mean, you defended him for so long and then --

LISA WEISS, EXCHANGED EXPLICIT MESSAGES WITH ANTHONY WEINER: I did.

BANFIELD: -- when did that change?

WEISS: Oh, goodness. I feel very stupid for defending him. I defended him at the beginning when he was doing his perversions with consenting adults

like myself, and I didn`t feel victimized. Of course, it was wrong because he was married. However, the minute that I saw he used his son in a photo

and I believe the quote was, he used his son as a chick magnet. He lost me there.

I thought that was demented and sick. When I found out that he knew that this girl was 15 years old and she doesn`t have the legal or the

psychological ability to consent to the perversions which he was asking her to engage, that was it. I mean, I`m sorry, the moment -- I gave him the

benefit of the doubt for a minute. I thought maybe she looks a little bit more mature, maybe he didn`t know. No, he knew.

BANFIELD: He did, yes.

WEISS: She told him I am 15 years old.

BANFIELD: He knew.

WEISS: That`s a sex crime.

BANFIELD: So, Lisa, certainly was. He`s a sex offender now. He has to register.

WEISS: Yes, he is.

[20:35:00] BANFIELD: I do want to ask you a couple of things. I think, you know, a lot of people will say -- they haven`t sort of dug down into the

dirty nitty-gritty of this story. They may not know exactly what he was up to. So I just want to, if I can, I had to really sanitize, so I could get a

couple of these texts that he sent you.

I`ll start with this one from September 25th, 2010. he says, where did my favorite dirty Facebooker go. I`m getting kind of addicted to you. And then

he said in April of 2010, he said, I keep going back to your page looking for new pics to get off to.

And then in March of 2010, he said, you will surely make noise when I take you blank. I will tell you how your blank feels. So Lisa, this is honestly

nothing compared to what happened between the 15-year-old and Anthony. It wasn`t sexting. The prosecutors were clear. It was video conferencing.

WEISS: Right.

BANFIELD: And watching and encouraging her to masturbate and do things that a 15-year-old girl should not be doing at the behest of a grown man on a

video.

WEISS: I can`t imagine --

BANFIELD: That`s my question. When you look at the conversations you had and you know what she was doing, can you sort of figure out anything about

how a 15-year-old girl would come out of this?

WEISS: I can`t imagine. And for me, honestly, you know, my initial conversations with him were I just wanted to talk politics with him. I know

his M.O. What he does is he changes every conversation. It slowly becomes something dirty. And I was a 40-year-old woman at the time, and I didn`t

know exactly how to extricate myself diplomatically from this situation.

You know, I`d never spoken to anyone online or, you know, text in this fashion, but he sort of grooms you, and he encourages you, you feel like

you have to say something back to him because he wants to hear. He`s someone that I was a fan of. I`m sure with this young girl, you know, it`s

like classic pedophilia grooming with her. I`m sure it started the same way, and I`m sure that --

BANFIELD: It went on for a while.

WEISS: -- she didn`t know how to get out of it.

BANFIELD: I mean, It went on for quite a while. So, I mean, I think you all sort of have an inside seat and a ringside seat as well to this circus that

was Anthony Weiner and who knows if the two years that he`ll be put away is going to make a change.

I do want to thank you, Lisa. It`s not easy to come forward and talk about this stuff. I mean, I know you just (INAUDIBLE). I want to say the same

thing to Sydney Leathers. Sydney, I want to thank you as well.

WEISS: Yes, I think we both have.

BANFIELD: You got to have a rough go. Like I said, you`re not completely blameless. You were knowingly --

LEATHERS: Oh, no.

BANFIELD: -- conversing with a married man. But, I mean, you were not putting your 4-year-old child in a nudie photo --

WEISS: Exactly.

BANFIELD: -- calling your kid a chick magnet. I just want to say one more thing and I want to bring Jean in this quickly as I send us to break. If

anybody thinks he`s going to club fed, you know, like the campground of federal detentions, it`s not necessarily going to be that way.

They actually incorporate your medical background. They incorporate your psychological and mental health needs. If he had been professing that he

has a sickness and needs counseling, he may have just sealed his own fate. If the minimum security fed, you know, institution can`t provide that kind

of counseling, you go where they can.

It could be a medium. He could have a tougher go at all of this because he himself has brought that up in his defense and it may end up sealing his

fate into another institution. But there you go. There`s the Anthony Weiner show right there, folks. My thanks to Jean Casarez for all your amazing

work at the courthouse today, and my guests as well, Sydney Leathers and Lisa Weiss.

Ohio police may not know yet how Shannon Graves was killed, but they do think they know who did it. And they are trying to figure out why her

dismembered body ended up in a freezer.

[20:40:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: When a young woman vanishes, just up and disappears, it doesn`t take long before police start digging around. But when Shannon Graves

disappeared, it wasn`t the digging by police that uncovered her ghoulish whereabouts. It was a woman digging around in a freezer trying to make

spaghetti and meatballs who got a whole lot more than she bargained for.

It turns out that a friend of Shannon`s ex had agreed to keep that man`s freezer in his basement. So, naturally, when his wife was out of ground

beef, she went looking for some in that darn padlocked freezer.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I opened it up. That`s when I saw her leg. Me and my wife just screaming. She came up and I went to the front steps. I called

911.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Inside that freezer was Shannon Graves. The 28-year-old had been chopped up and placed in several garbage bags. The homeowner knew nothing

about Shannon`s disappearance nor anything about her death. Police say it was his friend, Shannon`s ex, Arturo Novoa, who asked him to hold on

[20:45:00] to that freezer for me, do you mind? The excuse apparently he used, his electricity had been shut off. He didn`t want all that meat

inside to spoil. And Novoa is not the only person behind the killing, the police say. No, they`ve hauled in his new girlfriend, Katrina Layton. They

say that she also is responsible for the killing and both of them have now been indicted for Shannon Graves` murder.

Joe Gorman is the crime reporter for The Vindicator. He joins us from Coeur d`Alene (ph), Idaho. So, Joe, there`s is this reporting that has been going

on about part of Shannon is still missing, that there is a body part that was not in that freezer. Do you have any idea what it was?

JOE GORMAN, CRIME REPORTER, THE VINDICATOR (via telephone): Well, I talked to the detective on the case today. He told me he didn`t want to reveal if

there was a piece missing or not. So, that was news to me after the indictments came down on Thursday.

BANFIELD: So, our affiliate is reporting that, but they don`t have the information about what piece. And I`m wondering if you`re detective pal has

said this is why we`re having a tough time figuring out how she died. I mean, the coroner has said homicide by undetermined means.

GORMAN (via telephone): In this case, they were -- after the pair were arraigned, they were going to have a preliminary arraignment -- a

preliminary hearing, excuse me. During the preliminary hearing, we were told that the manner of death would come out during the preliminary

hearing.

However, at the last minute, the attorneys for both suspects opted to waive the preliminary hearing to bind the case over to grand jury. So, that

didn`t come out --

BANFIELD: We know it`s murder, but we don`t have a cause, which is an interesting element in itself. And I`m going to ask about that in a second,

right? But, hold on for a minute.

GORMAN (via telephone): I`m sorry?

BANFIELD: The prosecutor said this, Joe. I thought this was fascinating. He talked about that woman in the split screen there, Katrina Layton. And he

says she basically moved in to where his old girlfriend moved off and assumed that old girlfriend`s life. That girlfriend who was in the freezer,

this new girlfriend assumed her life, according to prosecutor. Here is how Dana Lantz put it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DANA LANTZ, YOUNGSTOWN CITY PROSECUTOR: The end of February when Ms. Graves was missing, Ms. Layton moved into Ms. Graves` apartment, drove Ms. Graves`

car, used a phone that was previously in the possession of Ms. Graves, and cared for Ms. Graves` dog. Basically assumed her life and her belongings

with Mr. Novoa.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: I want to bring in defense attorney Emily Campagno. She joins me now as well. So, you heard the prosecutor saying she basically assumed the

life of this dead girl and now she`s facing murder for it. But how difficult it is to convince a jury that these two people murdered somebody

when you don`t even know a cause of death?

EMILY CAMPAGNO, ATTORNEY, LEGAL AND SPORSTS BUSINESS ANALYST: It can be incredibly difficult if the defense is successful in that strategy. If they

come and say, look, we don`t even know if it is in fact murder. It could be a whole host of reasons that these two inherited this body and so, you`re

right, we should just slap them with abuse of a corpse.

And it sounds almost laughable to us sitting here now where it seems so apparent. But when you`re in the courtroom, certain things can be really

persuasive. And if that defense strategy and also if they pit the two against each other, that can have an extreme effect on the jury.

BANFIELD: Do we know if that is actually, you know, what would be wise here for these two? I mean, look at the two defenses. Pit one against the other,

point at each other and say, he did it, she did it, or simply be in unison saying we didn`t do this. We got rid of the body because we figured

everybody would think we did it, but we did not kill her.

CAMPAGNO: I think a plea deal will illuminate whether that strategy is smart or not. So we`re going to see whether one of them might turn against

the other in exchange for some type of leniency. That`s going to develop, you know, we heard right there that there`s some evidence that`s still

being withheld from the press --

BANFIELD: Yes.

CAMPAGNO: -- right, for prosecutorial purity. So, we`re going to learn essentially --

BANFIELD: No crime for taking someone`s phone, dog, apartment, and car and living as them? No crime for that? It`s just morally bankrupt. All of it

was morally bankrupt. But that`s just particularly gross. My thanks to Joe Gorman. Emily, thank you. Don`t go anywhere.

A mother and daughter duo arrested after this road rage beat down is caught on camera. And I did say mother and daughter.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, hey!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

[20:50:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: You know those drivers who bob and weave on the road sometimes so badly that you actually hit the shoulder and maybe go up on the grass a

little bit? Wouldn`t be wrong if you leaned on your horn at them, right?

Apparently in Florida, wrong. Because a young mom had the boots taken to her after that very same scenario played out. In fact, two road ragers took

the boots to Emily Bailey, rendered her unconscious, broke her nose, and actually part of it is caught on another driver`s cell phone.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, hey!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So what makes that beat down even more outrageous, police say the women who were throwing the hay makers are a mom and daughter duo.

Meantime, Emily said that she was left actually fearing that she was going to die.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

EMILY BAILEY, ATTACKED IN ROAD RAGE INCIDENT: I never thought that they would get out of their car and run towards me. The mom grabbed me by my

throat and started squeezing my neck. The daughter grabbed me by the back of my hair, and they just started pulling. She looked like she wanted to

kill me, literally.

[20:55:00] She looked like she wanted to kill me. The mom definitely when I saw her, like, look into my eyes, she was in a rage that I`ve never seen

before.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Don`t forget, Emily is also a mom. She suffered several other injuries along with that broken nose. And as for that other mother/daughter

duo, they are both charged with burglary and aggravated battery. We`re back right after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: My great thank to Emily Campagno for being here tonight. Thank you so much. Congratulations on getting married.

CAMPAGNO: Thank you.

BANFIELD: A new bride. Off the market. Thanks, everyone, for being here. We`ll be back tomorrow night 8:00 for "Primetime Justice." In the meantime,

stay tuned. "The Hunt With John Walsh" begins right now.

[21:00:00]

END