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Explosive New Accusations Against Harvey Weinstein; Weinstein Company Shocked And Dismayed By Allegations; Trump Makes Fresh Threats To Terminate NAFTA; U.S. Business Association Blasts Trump's NAFTA Agenda; South Korean Lawmaker: North Korea Hackers Stole War Plans. Aired 3-4p ET

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HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Hala Gorani. We are coming to you live from CNN London and this is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.

What started as a drip, drip, drip of shocking accusations is becoming a flood, more and more women are coming forward accusing Hollywood movie

mogul, Harvey Weinstein, of blatant sexual misconduct, from sexual harassment all the way to rape.

A spokeswoman for Weinstein said, "Any allegations of nonconsensual sex are unequivocally denied by Mr. Weinstein." One of the most prominent accusers

is Lauren Sivan, a Los Angeles-based reporter. She described the horror of what she says happened.


LAUREN SIVAN, JOURNALIST: I say the word trap. People asked me like couldn't you have (inaudible) and screamed and yes, I think if my life was

threatened, I probably could have gotten away from him.

But I'm 5"1. He's 6"2. He's much, much larger than me. He was blocking the only exit out and you know, at that time, I was 28 years old. I'd

never been in a situation like this before. I didn't know how it ended. I didn't know what to do.

So, I just -- I wanted to extricate myself from it as quickly as possible and once I saw that he had finished whatever he needed to do, I said is

that it, can I go now? And I ran.


GORANI: This is just one of many, many stories from women, many in the entertainment industry, others like the journalist you heard from, and

other businesses that they had dealings or run in with Harvey Weinstein.

CNN's Brynn Gingras has the full story.


BRYNN GINGRAS, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The board of the Weinstein Company insisting Tuesday that they had no knowledge of the

explosive allegations against co-founder, Harvey Weinstein, calling the claims, quote, "an utter surprise."

This despite widespread rumors that Weinstein's alleged abuse was the worst-kept secret in Hollywood. Comedian Seth McFarlane even knocked

Weinstein's bad reputation while hosting the Oscars in 2013.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Congratulations, you five ladies no longer have to pretend to be attracted to Harvey Weinstein.

GINGRAS: At least 25 women, including some of Hollywood's most prominent actresses have now come forward, accusing Weinstein of acts ranging from

harassment to rape. Gwyneth Paltrow telling "The New York Times" that when she was 22, a meeting with Weinstein, quote, "ended with him placing his

hands on her and suggesting they head to the bedroom for massages. I was petrified," Paltrow said.

Ashley Judd alleges that two decades ago, Weinstein had her sent up to his hotel room and then greeted her in his bathrobe, asking if he could give

her a massage or she could watch him shower.

Angelina Jolie also telling "The Times" that Weinstein made unwanted advances on her in a hotel room in the late 1990s.

KATHERINE KENDALL, ACCUSED HARVEY WEINSTEIN OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT: He went to the bathroom, came back out of the bathroom, in a robe, and asked me to

give him a massage. I said, no, I didn't feel comfortable. He said, everybody does it.

GINGRAS: Two other women recounting similar stories on CNN last night.

KENDALL: And said, well, at least if you won't, you know, give me a massage, then, can I see your breasts?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He told me he would give me three-picture deal and he could get my movie made and, you know, I -- I don't doubt that he could,

but he said, you know, you have to watch me -- but you've got to stay and watch me masturbate.

GINGRAS: "The New Yorker" publishing disturbing audio from a 2015 police sting involving Weinstein and model, Ambra Battilana Gutierrez. Weinstein

attempts to lure her into his hotel room before admitting to groping her the day before.


[15:05:09] GINGRAS: The Manhattan District Attorney's Office says in a statement that, quote, "While the recording is horrifying to listen to,

what emerged from the audio was insufficient to prove a crime under New York law."

Weinstein's reps declined to comment on the tape, but said in a statement Tuesday, "Any allegations of non-consensual sex are unequivocally denied by

Mr. Weinstein." Weinstein is a longtime supporter of Hillary Clinton and a major donor to the Democratic Party, raising more than $1 million for

Democrats since the '90s.

After days of silence, Clinton condemned Weinstein on Tuesday, saying, quote, "The behavior described by women coming forward cannot be

tolerated." The Obamas also denouncing Weinstein, saying, "Any man who demeans and degrades women in such fashion needs to be condemned and held

accountable, regardless of wealth or status."


GORANI: And the ripples from this scandal are reaching far beyond Hollywood and entering the deeply partisan political sphere. Harvey

Weinstein made sizable donations to the Democratic Party.

In the last 24 hours, Hillary Clinton and Obamas have come out to condemn him. Here is what Kellyanne Conway, adviser to President Trump had to say.


KELLYANNE CONWAY, WHITE HOUSE ADVISER TO PRESIDENT TRUMP: I felt like a woman who ran to be commander-in-chief and president of the United States,

the first one ever, who talks about women's empowerment. It took an awfully long time to give support to those women who were coming forward

and has still as far as we know, Bill, kept the money. Kept the dirty money that dirty Harvey has given her in her campaign.


GORANI: All right. This is political point scoring. It's coming from the right. It came from the left when other prominent conservative men were

also accused and also admitted to improper behavior with women. We'll get to that in a moment with our Brian Stelter.

But first is this and after days of relative silence, more Hollywood A- listers have started to speak about these accusations. The big question though remain, how will the situation such as this allowed to happen for so


I'm joined by Kim Masters in Los Angeles. She's the editor-at-large at "The Hollywood Reporter." She's known Harvey Weinstein for more than 20

years reported on him and his films. Kim Masters, thanks for being with us.

And you wrote a piece on the 9th of October, "How to help cure Hollywood sickness of harassment." How pervasive is it?

KIM MASTERS, EDITOR-IN-LARGE, "THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER": I think that the extreme extent of Harvey's alleged behavior is -- I don't think that many

people would be physically assaulting women serially as alleged in the case of Marty Weinstein.

But I do think there are people sitting in the chair at the top levels of various studios in this town who have behaved improperly and who are

probably very nervous right now.

GORANI: And you've known him as I mentioned for 20 years. You'd been reporting on him. You'd heard rumor. You'd heard stories but really never

enough to go to print with because few people would go on the record, right? I mean, there was still a lot of fears surrounding recounting the

story because of how powerful Weinstein was.

MASTERS: Yes. I mean, I think unfortunately one of the reasons this is coming out now is that Harvey is no longer as powerful as he was for many

years, but starting in the early 90s we heard about this.

I asked him point blank at a lunch to his face in the most blunt language you can think of, but it was off the record. I couldn't use his answer. I

would say it was not a denial and we pursued it intermittently over years.

I was at various publications pursuing it and you couldn't get anybody on the record. The famous people at that point were not willing to go on the

record and we could even get the names of those we were told there were others who were not famous.

I mean, people inside who had been at the company told me that. No names were ever provided for us to even try to figure out who those women were.

I think it was very helpful to have this memo that leaked from inside the company that was written by a woman about the alleged behavior on Harvey's


That gave reporters a chance to say we have a document in hand and go to women and say we have this on the record, will you now help us?

GORANI: And in the piece you wrote in "The Hollywood Reporter," you describe a reception for "Lion," the movie starring Nicole Kidman that she

appeared at his side after he ask you what you have on me or what you know about me.

And Harvey introduced me this way you write, "This is Kim Masters. She's been trying to get me for years, yes, I said pointedly and I still am. I

think Kidman said something like, oh my, and I suspected, but did not know that she had an inkling what the subtext might have been.

Is it your understanding that people in that -- I mean, the very A-list stars knew about it, had heard about it but really weren't talking openly

about it?

[15:10:05] MASTERS: Well, at this point, I'm very glad to say that Angelina Jolie has come public with that. Gwyneth Paltrow which I honestly

never thought I'd see the day. I heard about that in the early 90s specifically.

Rosanna Arquette, Ashley Judd, how many people do you actually need, you know, to come forward when and -- or had this experience for it to be quite

widely known in this industry.

I think that there is a small subset of people who've genuinely didn't know and then there's a group of people who knew -- and a group of people who

didn't want to know and it was therefore perpetuated for years.

You know, Harvey had a golden touch at the Academy Awards and he had -- you know, he has extraordinarily connected -- the ability that he had to

intimidate and even physically being rough around the edges guy.

That was what -- and you are up against an army of lawyers if you dared to take him on. He would drain you financially. He would have you

investigated probably. So that, you know, that's a very unequal balance of power.

GORANI: And Rhoda (inaudible), who wrote the piece for the "New Yorker" in fact said he was threatened with a lawsuit. Do you think this is going to

change anything? You know, for many decades things stay the same.

Big secrets are kept secret and then all of a sudden the dam breaks and everything seems to change overnight. Will it have lasting impact do you

think? You know Hollywood so well. What's your take on that? What is your feeling about that?

MASTERS: I would like to think it would, but here's the thing, there is an imbalance of power overall in Hollywood. Women are hugely

underrepresented. Even good roles in front of the cameras, but certainly behind the cameras, in the executive suites.

So now you have an industry still dominated by white men and when you concentrate power and money in the hands of a certain group of young male

group like that of the privileged group. Probably this will have an effect for a while, but the question is will it last.

GORANI: That is the question. Thanks very much, Kim Masters, editor-at- large at "The Hollywood Reporter." We really appreciate your time. Thanks for joining us live from Los Angeles this evening.

Now to Donald Trump, he is giving a warm welcome this hour to Canada's Prime Minister even as he threatens to terminate a landmark trade deal

that's been in place for decades. Justin Trudeau is visiting Washington to lobby for continued support of NAFTA.

He is expected to speak to reporters this hour after meeting with Mr. Trump. The U.S. president said a three-way trade deal with Mexico has been

a disaster for Americans. He's demanding new protection to save American jobs.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: We'll see what happens with NAFTA, but I've been opposed to NAFTA for a long time in terms

of the fairness of NAFTA. I said we'll renegotiate and I mean, I think just (inaudible) we can't make a deal it will be terminated and that will

fun. They're going to do wall. We are going to do well, but maybe that won't be necessary.


GORANI: Well, a U.S. business association calls Mr. Trump's NAFTA demands poison pills that could sink the entire deal.

Let's bring in CNN political reporter, Dan America, live in Washington. We are also joined by Paula Newton in Ottawa. Paula, first of all, what is

the strategy for the prime minister in Washington to try to keep this deal alive, to try to keep the U.S. president from torpedoing it?

PAULA NEWTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, very much carrot and stick. You know, they've been on this Trump offensive really since the day President

Trump was elected. I mean, just yesterday, the Prime Minister was with Ivanka Trump, the president's daughter.

But they are also trying that stick, Hala, and what does that mean, you know, he was just in front of a powerful committee on Capitol Hill, the

Prime Minister was, and he said, look, Canada remains America's biggest customer.

The message, Hala, very clear, if you try and pull out of NAFTA, this will hurt the United States too, and he has some powerful allies in that. If we

go back to campaigning and we go back to what it means in states like Ohio and Pennsylvania and Michigan.

Those are states that arguably do very well on NAFTA, but more importantly they are swing states, Hala, and going into the 2018 or another

presidential cycle, people are watching carefully.

What's key here, Hala, is that the Prime Minister knows that President Trump needs a win and they are trying to that table to see what President

Trump can declare as a win on NAFTA and renegotiation and they are trying to get there.

GORANI: And Dan America, this was a campaign promise. He talked, you know, very negatively about NAFTA at every possible opportunity. What's

the White House's goal here? What is President Trump trying to achieve today?

DAN MERICA, CNN POLITICAL PRODUCER: I think Paula is exactly right. That's President Trump needs and wants a win and so whatever he can spin as

a win on NAFTA is what they will eventually go for.

It is important to note that he had first said he was going to just throw out the trade deal whole cloth when he was campaigning, but then overtime

as he got into the White House, he kind of temper that and he is going renegotiate it.

And that's why you're seeing this fourth round of negotiations happening in Washington, D.C. today.

[15:15:04] Earlier, he called what the negotiations -- he described the negotiations as tough and that's important because he thinks he needs to

come to this table and very tough and as you noted, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, a reliably Republican group has opposed any renegotiations of


They are in favor I think helps the business community here in the United States and Tom Donohue, the president of that group in Mexico yesterday

said that the Trump administration is putting poison pills into this renegotiation effort trying to kill the deal before any renegotiation

effort really gets underway.

And allowing the president to walk away from the table because they know that Mexico and Canada won't be able to sign a deal with certain provisions

included. So, he is very skeptical these renegotiation deals.

It's also important to note that President Trump as he met with Justin Trudeau basically said Canada is going to do what's best for them, I'm

going to do what's best for the United States.

It remains to be seen, though, where that middle ground is, how they can work together on any sort of a deal.

GORANI: All right. And briefly, Dan, I want to bring up this Donald Trump again tweet, again tweeting about the NFL saying that the National Football

League commissioner essentially is demanding that all players stand for the national anthem, which is not exactly what Roger Goodell said, right?

MERICA: It's another instance where President Trump seems to jump to ahead of the news cycle a little bit, assumed a little too much based on what

Roger Goodell said. The NFL in the United States is the most conservative sports league out there, far more conservative that the NBA and the NHL and

the Major League Baseball.

So, it's an interesting fight that he has chosen to pick. Many of the owners in the NFL actually donated to his campaign, but what this is and

what the White House has done here is they think it's a winning issue for the president.

It's something he can tout as a win to his base and fires up many of the people who voted for him in the election when they see the president taking

a hard stance on athletes largely black athletes who have knelt during the national anthem.

But the president, yes, he's getting ahead of the story bit and that's clearly an effort to claim victory before any decision has been made by the


All right. Dan Merica in Washington, Paula Newton, thanks very much as well.

Well, amid the ongoing controversy between President Trump and protesting NFL players, I want to show you some video that is getting a lot of

reaction in the U.S. and around the world, it's one of the first thing that I saw on my Twitter timeline this morning.

The rapper, Eminem, unleashing on the president in a 5-minute freestyle rap. Listen.


EMINEM, RAP ARTIST: It's like we take a step forward and backwards, but this is his form of distraction plus he gets an enormous reaction when he

attacks the NFL so we focus on that instead of talking Puerto Rico, gun reform for Nevada with these horrible tragedies in these borders would

rather cause a Twitter storm with the Packers.


GORANI: Well, he goes on to demand that his fans choose between him or the president essentially saying if you support Donald Trump, you know,

(inaudible) was the end thought to that rap moment there that got a lot of play.

Still to come this evening, startling words from North Korea's foreign minister about how his country views the U.N. speech by U.S. President

Donald Trump. The details ahead.



GORANI: New developments this hour amid rising tensions between the U.S. and North Korea. We have just learned that North Korea's foreign minister

told a state-run news agency in Russia that the American president, Donald Trump, quote, "Lit the wick of war" in his speech to the U.N. last month.

And he added that his country was, quote, "Winning."

Our Will Ripley reports now on another growing concern in North Korea.


WILL RIPLEY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The biggest threat from North Korea may not be its rapidly growing nuclear arsenal.

The biggest threat experts say maybe far more insidious.

North Korea's cyber weapons are just as destructive as conventional weapons, says Lim Jong-in, the former presidential advisor, founded Korea

University's Department of Cyber Defense.

He says North Korean cyberattacks could paralyze power grids and financial markets, cripple communications and weapon systems. A South Korean

lawmaker, a member of the country's Defense Committee says North Korean hackers stole highly classified U.S. and South Korean military documents

last year including war plans.

Cyber security company, "Fire Eye (ph)" says, hackers likely affiliated with the North Korean government recently targeted US energy companies

probing for vulnerabilities. North Korea's cyber capability is among the top five in the world, Lim says, no country is safe.

Being in the top five would put Pyongyang alongside global hacking behemoths China, Russia, and the U.S. even as regular North Koreans don't

have access to the internet. Defector Kim Heung Kwang was a computer science professor in Pyongyang, he says some of his former students are

part of Leader Kim Jong-un's ever-expanding cyber army.

Recently divided into three bureaus, Bureau 121 focuses on attacking infrastructure, Bureau 91 on military espionage, Bureau 180 on making

money. Kim estimates around 6,000 people support hacking operations in Pyongyang with hundreds more operating abroad.

In 2015, we found North Koreans working at state-owned businesses in China including this restaurant and hotel. Kim says some jobs are upfront. To

be able to go abroad and carry out attacks they need titles, he says. They go disguised as trade workers, restaurant employees, exchange students.

China says it opposes illegal cyber activity on its territory, and North Korea has long denied any hacking, but experts say North Korean hackers are

linked to bank robberies, ransomware attacks. Kim estimates they brought in a billion dollars last year alone.

You can probably guess where much of that money likely goes making an already dangerous situation even worse. Will Ripley, CNN.


GORANI: Let's talk about what's happening with North Korea and in North Korea. Our military analyst, Cedric Leighton, joins me now, I believe.

Hello. I didn't see you right then.

Let's talk a little bit about cyber warfare before we talk about conventional warfare because it seems as though North Korean, we know they

have accomplished hackers. They could be trying to target U.S. energy companies.

They could be hacking into South Korean sort of intelligence agencies. They could be doing all sorts of very damaging things. How high up on the

list of concerns would that be for you?

CEDRIC LEIGHTON, CNN MILITARY ANALYST: Well, for me it would be on the top of the list, Hala, because the North Koreans although as Will Ripley

pointed out don't have access for most of their people to the internet. What they do have is a very dedicated tawdry of people who are really going

after the important aspects of our internet.

And that includes the South Korean as well as the Japanese I.T. infrastructures. So, they have a very well-developed cyber espionage

component and they are using that cyber espionage component as part of their plan of asymmetric warfare.

You may remember the Sony hack when the Sony Pictures was hacked because of the movie "The Interview." Well, that was just an opening salvo for the

United States. The North Koreans had been doing this against South Korea for quite some time.

[15:25:01] They attack the banking sector. They attack media companies in South Korea and they have also gone after the infrastructure there to

include probing nuclear power plants. So, they are very, very adept at this and they are basically looking for that soft underbelly that they can

go after and in essence victimize.

GORANI: We've seen so many of high level hacks that have change the course of history some might argue. Let's talk about the president, though, and

his pronouncements when he said the calm before the storm while meeting top military brass in Washington.

That led to questions about what that meant. He didn't really expand on that. When he was asked about a strategy regarding North Korea, this is

what he has to say.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: I think I have a little bit different attitude on North Korea than other people might have

and I listen everybody but ultimately my attitude is the one that matters, isn't it? That's the way it works.

That's the way the system, but I think I might have is somewhat a different attitude and a different way than other people. I think perhaps I feel

stronger and tougher on that subject than other people.

But I listen to everybody and ultimately, I will do what's right for the United States and really what's right for the world.


GORANI: So, this is what President Trump have to say today. What did you make of that because I'm not sure I learned anything tangible that I could

express in words that he would do what is best and he might not think like most people think. What -- how did you read that?

LEIGHTON: Well, it's very difficult, of course, but I guess someone would say there's a bit of reassurance in there that he wants to do what is best

for the United States and the rest of the world.

Of course, what that is, is definitely unknown. It is in the eye of the beholder, but what I would say, the president is looking at this as perhaps

a different problem set. He sees this as a lack of success.

The negotiations in essence have failed. Therefore, either negotiations are bad or the people who are conducting those negotiations are bad and

need to be replaced. So, you can take heed of several different aspects of that.

But the other part I think, Hala, is this, we are looking at here is a mode in Washington where we are going after certain things. There is no real

policy that has been developed that is at least articulated to the general public or to other nations especially our allied nations.

And that really becomes a very, very difficult thing for us to deal with and for us to really get our arms around. But the big thing here, Hala, I

think is that we are entering unchartered territory.

It's unchartered not only for the country, the United States, but it is also unchartered for the president himself.

GORANI: Cedric Leighton, as always thanks so much for your analysis. We really appreciate you this evening on the program.

Still ahead, breaking up is hard to do, so imagine what it takes to end a 300-year relationship. What is next for Catalonia and Spain?


GORANI: Let's return to our top story, the growing and shocking allegations against movie mogul Harvey Weinstein. The scandal doesn't just

shine a light on Hollywood, but the political sphere as well.

Weinstein made sizable donations to the Democratic Party. And in the last 24 hours, as we mentioned at the top of the program, we heard reaction from

Hillary Clinton and the Obamas, as they both condemned him.

Let's go now to New York and our senior media correspondent Brian Stelter. I feel like Brian, this just reveals the fault lines in the United States

almost more than any other story.

If there is one topic everyone should be able to agree on is that rape is bad, sexual assault is horrible, what can we do to stop it. And really, if

you check Twitter, social media, Kellyanne Conway on the "Fox", it's just political point scoring it sounds like often.

BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: Yes. Republicans on their side, Democrats on the other side trying to one up each other. And what we

have not had enough of is consistency of outrage.

People pointing out that whether it's Donald Trump or Bill Clinton or whether it's Harvey Weinstein or Bill O'Reilly, this behavior is

inappropriate, unacceptable no matter who is doing it.

And the way it comes through, the inconsistency comes through in the delayed responses or the subdued responses or, in some cases, I've seen a

lot of "Fox" hosts going really hard at Hillary Clinton for not condemning Harvey Weinstein, while they were silent about the mess inside their own

house involving Roger Ailes and Bill O'Reilly.

So, we've seen a lot of that kind of polarized, divided America reaction. And you're absolutely right. It's a darn shame.

GORANI: Yes. And we see it - I think we notice it possibly more from abroad because when we're reading about reaction to Harvey Weinstein,

really I was struggling just to find, when it came to people on the right and the left, just straight up sort of condemnations without any mention

whatsoever of others who might have been guilty of the same type of misconduct.

And then, this Hillary Clinton bashing that was relentless, not just from the right as well. Shed some light on that. I found that a little

puzzling myself.

STELTER: I have a little bit of theory here that because the press has been criticized so much by Donald Trump and by Republican allies of Donald

Trump that there's a desire to show independence and fairness by being critical of Democrats when it's appropriate.

And, certainly, in this case, Hillary Clinton did wait a long time in order to weigh in. But I think there was an overwhelming amount of criticism of

her when the real blame here is at Harvey Weinstein's feet.

When we talk about the politics, we lose sight a little bit of the fact that Harvey Weinstein seemed to be preying on women for decades. And a lot

of folks in LA and New York knew about it and looked the other way.

That, to me, is a lot more important than when or whether President Trump or former President Obama or former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton

actually weigh in on it.

And by the way, to President Trump, where is this leadership from President Trump on this issue. He said over the weekend, I knew about the - he said

I'm not surprised when I read about this. Well, we've not heard him speak up in support of the victims, for example.

GORANI: I personally am eager to hear a very serious national conversation on how women are so often targeted by some sexual predators, made to feel

insecure at work, the pressures put especially on younger females trying to make it, I'm sure in other businesses as well.

You mentioned Donald Trump. And this is a tweet I didn't think I would ever read from the head of state or government of a western democracy.

He tweeted today, "With all of the Fake News coming out of NBC and the Networks, at what point is it appropriate to challenge their License?"

That, to me, is remarkable.

STELTER: I'll answer the question for you. The answer is it's never appropriate. One factual point for our audience here, there is no one

single license for NBC or any other broadcast network. There are hundreds of licenses. And they are almost always approved every eight years.

They're renewed every eight years.

So, if President Trump really wants his allies to go out there and try to take over these licenses, that would be an extraordinary move.

I think what he's really doing here is venting, he's blowing off steam, but it's troubling that he is blowing off steam on an almost daily basis by

decrying national news organizations.

[15:35:05] GORANI: Yes. But removing the license, this is what you expect from an autocrat in developing countries, not from the president of the

United States.

STELTER: And even some Republicans here in the US are saying that, are saying this is disturbing language. Last week, President Trump said maybe

the Senate Intelligence Committee should investigate the fake news networks.

Then he said, maybe there should be a fairness doctrine for late-night TV shows. Then, today, he's saying maybe the licenses need to be looked at.

It's almost like he's in the dark, looking around, trying to find things that he can do using his government powers in order to control the press.

He's not going to succeed in doing that in the United States, but it doesn't mean he might not try.

GORANI: Brian Stelter, as always, thanks so much for joining us. Appreciate it.

The flood of disturbing accusations against Hollywood movie mogul Harvey Weinstein, let's keep talking about that with Gail Saltz. She's a

psychiatrist and psychoanalyst. She is the author of Anatomy of a Secret Life: The Psychology of Living a Lie. Thanks, Gail, for being with us.

Let me first start by asking you. When you've read story after story over the last several days of women who are saying - talking about their story,

about their experiences with Harvey Weinstein, what went through your mind as you were reading those accounts?

DR. GAIL SALTZ, PSYCHOLOGIST AND PSYCHOANALYST: Sadly, this isn't unusual. It isn't unusual that men in very powerful positions who have

essentially surrounded themselves by people saying yes and you have the power to do what you want, to prey upon women who are not in a position of


And I think it's important that people understand - yes, this is of a sexual nature, but a lot of the dynamic of what's going on has to do with

power, having power over another person, be able to humiliate another person, being able to take advantage of another person and having them

remain silent.

We're talking about this case right now. But there have been a number of very public cases that have occurred over the decades, politicians. This

happens in academia. It happens in politics. It happens really in every arena.

GORANI: And explain to people - and you've heard this question many times, why didn't they say something at the time.

SALTZ: I think what people have to understand is that when you are the victim of this, you are living in a culture where frankly no one of import

has so far stepped forward to say because - we're talking about decades ago, right? No one has stepped forward to stay this has happened, it's not

accepted as you're being a victim.

Often when you are repeatedly victimized, whether it's by bullying or whether it's by sexual harassment, you develop something that's essentially

called learned helplessness, which is the idea that repeatedly you're traumatized and you start to feel that there's no way out. And so, you

just kind of lie down and become apathetic and unable to do something, mobilize something to help yourself.

It's because of the repeated trauma, it's because of the shame associated with something, particularly something sexual, that makes you question, did

I something here, especially as other people are not talking openly about this kind of thing happen, so that you have some sort of model for getting

help, for outings the situation and for being believed because, frankly, in many of these scenarios, even the ones that go to court cases, it becomes a

- well, do we really believe you, did you do something to contribute to this. And that is like being re-victimized.

GORANI: The idea that somehow women - I guess, especially women in the entertainment industry or actresses who are going to be made to be feel

like they were asking for it, like they dressed in --

SALTZ: You know it's the old -

GORANI: You even hear it from women as well, blaming other women for the way -

SALTZ: Absolutely. Absolutely. And I mean that might be the most unfortunate of all, but that does happen. And look at the many women who

were OK with the statements about Donald Trump's grabbing of women. This did not deter women from voting for him and for feeling, OK, that happened,

but it's over.

So, this kind of thing really is - I'm hoping, but I've hoped this before. Think back to Anita Hill. We thought then, oh, maybe that's a sea change.

Maybe it will become a public understanding that this needs to change, being supported by both men and women. And that didn't happen.

I hoped that with Bill Cosby, with Fox News, with some very high-profile situations and powerful women coming out to say this happened to me,

serving as a role model for other women.

[15:40:09] I wish I had spoken up, but I didn't feel able to do, so that women have someone to identify with. I hope that this will make a

difference in our culture.

GORANI: I just have one last one here because, I mean, we were diagnosing the problem. We see it happen. And we see not enough change taking place

after big high-profile men are disgraced in public for having acted inappropriately.

So, what does need to change really here, so that it stops happening so much, so that women more empowered.

SALTZ: Right. I think, obviously, it's not an overnight - it's not going to happen overnight. If this is a wave that truly lets men know that this

will not be tolerated, that men won't tolerate it in other men, that women won't tolerate it either, that there have to be mechanisms for reporting

that are not available right now - in other words, these young actresses, right, they basically - their careers were at risk. So, there was no

vehicle there.

Meetings have to not happen in hotel rooms. There has to be an understanding of where lines really need to be drawn by everyone in terms

of how you would treat another person. And I don't know that we're there yet.

It really takes a public change of consciousness because, of course, as everyone is saying, this was a well-kept open secret. So, until the idea

that a well-kept open secret is unacceptable and dangerous to everyone, that will not change.

GORANI: Dr. Gail Saltz, thanks so much for joining us. Really appreciate your time this evening.

SALTZ: Thank you.

GORANI: Once upon a time, in a sunny corner of Spain, a region voted to become its own country. And if you're wondering why I'm telling you this

like a fairytale, that's because it's exactly what Spain's prime minister is calling it. Oh, and he doesn't want a happy ending for those trying to

break away either.

What he does want is clarification and by Monday, on whether or not the leader actually declared independence. Listen.


MARIANO RAJOY, PRIME MINISTER OF SPAIN (through translator): As you already know, the council of ministers in this government agreed to request

the government of Catalonia to confirm if they declared the independence of Catalonia or not. Regardless of the confusions, it is entering into force

or not.

Our democracy is living in the worst moments of its recent history. There have been more warnings to international travelers after all that's

happened lately than after the terrorist attacks that happened in Barcelona and Cambrils in August.


GORANI: The Catalan leader is not talking about fairytales, though. Instead, he's offering discussion without any preconditions.

Nic Robertson has CNN's exclusive interview.


NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Are you concerned that the Spanish government could invoke Article 155, that you could be

arrested? Do you worry about that?

CARLES PUIGDEMONT, PRESIDENT OF CATALONIA (through translator): The Spanish government has no reason to invoke Article 155 and it would be a

mistake. I'm worried that they may do it because it would not be walking towards a solution of the conflict.

And, obviously, my detention what good would that be? I'm not a criminal. I do what my parliament asked me to, what Catalans voted for. It would not

only be unjustified, my detention. It would be a terrible mistake. It's not the time to send people to prison because of political discrepancies.

ROBERTSON: But what is your bottom line? Is your awesome line that you would accept a referendum that the Spanish government accepts, a referendum

about independence? You said in your speech yesterday, what about the Scotland scenario in Britain? Would you accept that type of referendum

accepted by Madrid?

PUIGDEMONT (through translator): Of course, we are ready to accept a referendum like the one that took place in Scotland. We tried that in the

past, but the door is still open.

Of course, it's a good scenario. Why? Because it is what the majority of people are willing to accept inside and outside of Catalonia. And it's a

good solution. I'm willing to work on all conditions that would allow us a Scottish scenario.

ROBERTSON: Your critics here in Catalonia say that you are dividing the people, that you are damaging business here. Don't you worry about what

you're doing to Catalonians?

PUIGDEMONT (through translator): My responsibility is, obviously, to pay attention to what happens and to be worried when things don't thrive.

But, look, the problem started after the use of violence by police forces deployed in Catalonia. We're facing a political problem, which must be

solved within politics, not with police. [15:45:12] ROBERTSON: So, are you in a way - isn't this your political suicide as well because you risk dividing the independence coalition, the

governing coalition. And this would be to the advantage of Prime Minister Rajoy.

PUIGDEMONT (through translator): The governing coalition is solid and very united. A different thing, though, is different parliament majorities.

The Catalan government is a united government and strong around that message.

I also don't have a special interest in surviving politically. My interest is to assume utmost responsibility and utmost coherency and the utmost

efficiency given the goal we have.


GORANI: Nic Robertson with that exclusive interview.

Quick break. We'll be right back. Stay with CNN.


GORANI: We often show stories of people who are battling unimaginable hardships. But whether it's war, natural disaster or exploitation, there's

often one thing that helps keep them going and that is hope.

But what you do if you're the victim of sexual trafficking and even if hope itself doesn't seem to be an option. One woman in the Dominican Republic

has met girls like that and she's doing everything she can to help. Here's Don Riddell.


DON RIDDELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): On the surface, the Dominican Republic is a beautiful country. That's why 5 million tourists go there

every single year.

But away from all the luxury resorts and the sandy beaches, some people are sometimes making heartbreaking choices.

ERICA JUDE, FOUNDER AND DIRECTOR, LILY HOUSE: We have women who have said before, they were going to commit suicide. And I asked her, what is your

debt? She said $400 - $400 with tears in her eyes, $400 she believed she should take her life because there was no way she could pay off $400.

RIDDELL: According to the NGO, International Justice Mission, human trafficking and the sexual exploitation of minors is a major problem in the

Dominican Republic. And while they work with the government to help rescue the victims and prosecute the perpetrators, Erica Jude is one of those

helping to rehabilitate the young women.

She arrived from West Virginia as a missionary worker back in 2006, never imagining that she'd go on to help so many victims.

JUDE: I usually think that Lily House is a great example of what ordinary people can do. I just knew that I had had such a healthy, positive life

that I wanted other people to experience that. And so, we just said, we're going to start with one girl.

And within three months, there was one girl who wanted to come off the street. We needed a place for her to live. We didn't have the finances.

We're scrounging literally for $250 to rent a cheap apartment here and begin working with her.

[15:50:13] RIDDELL: That was 2009. And it was just the beginning. Now, Erica runs a dynamic sprawling facility which, first and foremost, offers

shelter for the girls and, when necessary, their children. From small acorns grow mighty oaks or, in this case, the symbolically named Lilly


JUDE: I love the lily because, in the Amazon, they come from the darkest, dirtiest parts of the Amazon River and they come up into these huge lily

pads. And when the light shines on it, this beautiful lily blossoms.

RIDDELL (on-camera): What for you is the hardest bit of this? What is it that moves you?

JUDE: For the girl who's still out there, that she believes she can do nothing but be sold or she can do nothing but sell herself, to have someone

encourage you that you can do something besides this.

RIDDELL (voice-over): For Erica and her own young family, this has now become a life's work. But every young girl who knocks on the door still

faces a difficult journey.

However, Lily House tries to provide the tools to first survive and then thrive, from shelter and counseling to the acquisition of new skills and a

business mind.

Erica's charisma is infectious. To date, she estimates that around 50 young women have moved into Lily House to rebuild their lives. And through

various outreach programs, they've helped up to 200 more.

JUDE: We see ladies who come in at the beginning who believe they can do nothing, and yet they turn around and they're teaching the other girls, you

are so special. There's so much that you can do in life.

And so, we get to see that complete transformation, that cycle broken and a completely different girl walk out of here. That's a picture of freedom

for me.

RIDDELL: Don Riddell, CNN, Dominican Republic.



GORANI: What happens if you do a Google search for PR nightmare? Well, today, you might come up with Google itself.

The new Google Home Mini has a major problem. And it's not even out yet. One reviewer discovered that his device was recording everything in earshot

and uploaded it.

Google now says that it's fixed the software bug. I'm joined by our business correspondent Samuel Burke.

First of all, what is the Google Mini here? Because you have to explain it to people like me.

SAMUEL BURKE, CNN INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: It's part of these voice-enabled smart speakers. So, basically, it's a speaker in your house

that can play music, but you activate it by either saying something like "Alexa" in the case of Amazon's Echo or "OK Google" in the case of the

device that you're seeing right there.

GORANI: You have to say "OK Google."

BURKE: "OK Google." But in this case, the journalist who was reviewing the unit didn't say anything and then he went on the Google website where it

records anything - it's usually just short things like play my favorite song on Spotify and he found hours of recording, thousands of recordings

because it had just been recording because now Google admits that there was a glitch.

Basically, there's also a button you can use to activate it and there was a glitch there. So, they sent out a software update to make sure that the

button just is not working right now. They deactivated the button.

But this is a glitch in the system and it could happen with any of these in theory. So, it really comes into question, I'm somebody wo has one of

these in my house, I have the Amazon Echo, which isn't what's in question here, this is a fault in the Google one, but you have these incredibly

powerful microphones that are meant to hear you as far as they can in your house.

[15:55:14] So, if somebody hacks it, if there is a glitch, if the government is listening -

GORANI: Has there not been an issue with the Amazon one, though?

BURKE: There hasn't been any type of problem like this.

GORANI: Where recordings were being -

BURKE: There is a murder case actually where people want to see if they could get something from it. But they haven't had a big glitch like this.

But at the end of the day - I'm, we've reported on everything being hacked here, webcams and that type of thing. You wouldn't go to sleep with a

webcam on right by your bed, at least I wouldn't. And so, it does make you question about having a microphone in your house.

I want to share with you just what one privacy advocacy group said to us. We were talking with him today. And they were talking about their fears.

This is actually a quote from a group that's called the Electronic Frontier Foundation. And they've had a lot of concerns about these types of devices

for a very long time.

A representative for that group told me the following. "This event should serve as a warning to users, Internet-connected devices, including home

assistance, inevitably pose a range of privacy and security risks. Tech companies must provide strong privacy protections to prevent these

incidents and be held accountable when they flub it."

And just to emphasize again, a lot of these groups aren't just worried about this particular incident. A lot of these groups even have filed

complaints already with the Federal Trade Commission of the United States about all of these theories.

GORANI: But anytime you have a device in your helmet, it's hackable, right?

BURKE: I always say, if it can connect to the Internet, it can be hacked.

GORANI: If you have a microphone in the middle of your house, that means it's possible somebody could hack that device and your conversations in the

privacy of your own home could be recorded.

BURKE: Just like they could hack and have hacked televisions, but also have microphones. I mean, I have to say -

GORANI: What do you do to protect yourself, though? Can you just unplug it?

BURKE: Well, one thing that you can do is you don't have to have the recordings recorded, the audio recorder. You can make it, so that it can

listen to you, but it doesn't save the recording.

I like to go back and listen to my - you know I'm engaged to a Belgian. And so, he has fights with it because she doesn't understand his kind of

French-Flemish accent. So, I love to go back and listen to him saying shut up to Alexa.

But you can disable that on the Google Home, so that nobody can go back and listen to those recordings. That's the least of the problems that you want

to hear in our homes.

GORANI: We talked so long, we didn't have time for Putin's new puppy. But we'll hopefully talk about them later.

Samuel Burke, thanks very much for that update.

I'm Hala Gorani. "Quest Means Business" is coming up next.