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PRIMETIME JUSTICE WITH ASHLEIGH BANFIELD

Naked Music Star Randy Travis Threatens Cops; Cops: Dad Put Sherin`s Body In Car W/Trash, Left Her In Ditch; Married Senator Caught In Motel With Teen Boy; Grandma Finds Mom, 2 Kids Dead In Home; Fake Sign Language Interpreter Fools Cops; Officer`s Emotional Sign-Off; Suspect Steals AR-15, Police Vest And Ammo From Patrol Car: Aired: 6-8pm EST

Aired December 6, 2017 - 18:00   ET

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[18:00:04] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Country music legend.

RANDY TRAVIS, COUNTRY SINGER: You`re not just time that I`m killing, I`m no longer one of those guys.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Randy Travis, completely out of control.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The naked man sitting in the back of the fire truck? Randy Travis.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His people say it was out of character.

TRAVIS: You`re a dead man in under 10 minutes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And he`s tried to keep this tape private.

TRAVIS: Don`t believe everything you might hear or read.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So why did the federal judge just release the shocking video?

TRAVIS: You have the right to do me this way? No, sir, you don`t.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His platforms were personal liberty, public safety, and fighting illegal immigration. So where does he stand on child

prostitution?

RALPH SHORTEY, FORMER OKLAHOMA SENATOR: Can you show me that he`s only 17?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because this married father and Oklahoma senator --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s your name?

SHORTEY: Ralph.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ralph what?

SHORTEY: Shortey.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- was caught at a hotel with a teenage boy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whatever you`re doing, it`s a bad idea.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say he was making a deal for sex.

SHORTEY: I`m trying to have --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A good time?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And it was all caught on tape.

A young mom and her adorable little kids, bombshell discovery by their grandma.

OFFICER STEVE MOORE, LITTLE ROCK POLICE DEPARTMENT: A family member came over to check after the children didn`t go to school today.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All three stone cold dead in their own apartment. Now Arkansas police are on the hunt for the heartless monster who did it.

MOORE: We don`t have any concrete suspect information.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Critical information about a suspected serial killer.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We will be making an arrest in the Seminole Heights murders.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But some people couldn`t hear the message.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was just standing there twisting her hands back and forth.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And the woman hired to translate gave them nothing but gibberish. How does a woman like this get hired in the first place?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where did this person come from, and why did they not vet her appropriately?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So how does this keep happening?

Her dad said she went missing in the middle of the night.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The story keeps changing. I don`t believe it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But after her body was found in a drain pipe --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was contrary to what we were initially told.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was locked up but not for murder.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She wanted a loving family and she could. Get that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tonight shocking details, about what dad did the night the little girl disappeared.

And the hunt in Florida for a brazing (ph) car burglar, but look closely. That`s not your average car and that`s not your average stolen stuff.

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ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, "CRIME & JUSTICE" HOST: Hello, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. This is "Crime & Justice".

When celebrities go downhill they cannot escape the public eye. And tonight, country superstar Randy Travis is in that spotlight, more like the

headlight as in police headlights, because his darkest moment from five years ago is now available for all of us to see, despite Travis and his

family trying again and again to block this from being released.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want to prepare you for something.

TRAVIS: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The naked man sitting in the back of the fire truck? Randy Travis.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, no.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Travis! Hey he`s running. Hey, come back here. Come back. Come back. I`m going to have you sit over here, OK?

TRAVIS: Take me home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, we`re going to take you home.

TRAVIS: Will you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Uh-uh.

TRAVIS: How quickly will you take me home?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Travis. Your car --

TRAVIS: Take me home!

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: A judge just made the controversial decision to make that embarrassing video public.

The singer first found naked and lying on a North Texas road in the middle of the night with a blood alcohol level nearly three times the legal limit

and repeatedly threatening the arresting officers with violence and even death.

Beforehand he reportedly tried to buy cigarettes at a convenience store also in the nude. And this wasn`t Randy Travis`s first time getting into

trouble for drinking either. He had already pleaded no contest to public intoxication just six months before the naked tape.

When he was found early in the morning sitting in his car six months ago -- six months prior, he`d been in front of a church in a car with an open wine

bottle. He claimed that he`d been celebrating the Super Bowl just a little too hard and he apologized profusely saying he was committed to being

responsible, and then the naked tape.

[18:05:01] Radaronline.com Senior Reporter Alexis Tereszcuk joins me live from Los Angeles.

Alexis, there is so much to unpack on the Randy Travis tape. First and foremost, the fact that it`s five years old because it`s been five years in

the courts. The family not wanting it released understandably. The freedom of information battle finally actually prevailing. First and

foremost, why were they fighting the release other than the obvious?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, SENIOR REPORTER, RADARONLINE.COM: They said that it contained private medical information about him so they invoked the HIPAA

law. They said that this was stuff the people shouldn`t know that -- yes, everybody has a right to private records but they don`t have the right to

know his private medical details.

And, in fact, the details were that he was taking medication for ADHD and that was something that was found in his system. So they wanted to keep

it. And they said, look, he`s obviously not playing with all the cards in the deck. He`s obviously got some mental problems other than just being

drunk, but this is something that was seriously a meltdown for him. But they didn`t --

BANFIELD: He`s an extraordinarily successful country music legend.

TERESZCUK: Yes.

BANFIELD: Seven-time Grammy winner, multiple millions of copies of his albums and his music sold. It sounds very convenient to say he`s not

playing with the fall deck. I think a lot of people would say that for a lot of celebrities who get drunk and in trouble and say crazy things. I`m

thinking Mel Gibson.

However, the reality is, this wasn`t just a drunken tape. It was a threatening tape as well. I want to play for our audience a little bit

more of the things that he said to the arresting officers other than barking tape me home. Have a listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Travis, can you tell me what happened in the crash?

TRAVIS: I don`t know. I don`t give a rat`s ass. My wife-to-be has this argumentative way, so you know?

I grew up in a manner, I grew up in a place where my dad was such a man who told me to stop an angus from breaking out of a goddamn herd of cows. So I

ran after him, he stops me. And so, therefore, he whips me with a goddamn pair of reins and tells me to get myself -- what the hell do I do? Walk?

That`s what I grew up in. So you think you goddamn got the right to do me way do this? Mother -- no you don`t. Oh, hell, no you don`t. You`ll die

mother --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Travis, what did I do to you?

TRAVIS: You put these goddamn handcuffs on me. If you would`ve told me to get into this car, you wouldn`t have put these goddamn handcuffs on me?

No, I would`ve prayed for you to have hell for this. But you know something? I`m seeing miracles happen. I don`t pray for you to have the

biggest growth on your hand that will make you so goddamn -- watch this mother --. Watch this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

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BANFIELD: Well, the police may have been laughing a little bit, Alexis, but the truth of the matter is that the threats got very serious very

quickly. And coming up in just about 52 minutes, I`m actually going to play some of the threats for batum (ph), including the threat of knowing

people in the mob and threatening a mob murder, again, on officers.

So this wasn`t just funny, and it wasn`t just drunk. It got very, very threatening. And, in fact he originally was charged with felony

retaliation and that is very serious.

I just want to go on a little further to show what he wished upon the officers in terms of illness that might kill them. Have a listen.

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TRAVIS: I pray to God that he will have a cancerous growth that will affect his bones and every part of his body.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was that directed toward me, Mr. Travis?

TRAVIS: Yes, it is.

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BANFIELD: Wishing a cancer that would kill them.

Alexis, I want you to put something in context for me, the last five years while this tape has been in the courts and the family has wanted to keep it

suppressed. A lot happened in that five years. Randy Travis suffered a near deadly stroke that rendered him incapable of singing, speaking,

walking. He`s been trying to make a comeback, but a lot of fans in that time have had a lot of favor for him, and has that had an effect on how

people are digesting or viewing this tape?

TERESZCUK: One hundred percent. His fans are really unhappy that this was released. They believe that Randy deserves privacy. And especially after

the fact, he did, he had a stroke in 2013 just a few months after this happened. He`s not been able to sing again. He`s been through intense

therapy. He can speak a little bit, he can walk a little bit, but he`s certainly not performing again.

[18:10:00] So they are saying that basically let sleeping dogs lie. They just think that we should not have had put in the public eye. That it only

harms him. I mean, he spoke about a very painful childhood abuse. Of course nobody wants that out there. He`s never spoken about this before

and talked about his dad beating him. This is not anything that he would want. But it really -- it made people very sympathetic towards him and

he`s was beloved anyway.

BANFIELD: Well, sympathetic, I get it. Let`s be really clear to everybody watching, fans or non-fans of Randy Travis. What happened in that police

cruiser was a full year before an unrelated medical incident, a stroke, rendered him in the condition that he ended up which has, you know, helped

him to get a lot of favor and a lot of sympathy.

But in the moment that you`re seeing on this videotape, there was no stroke. There was nothing at all other than drinking, and belligerence,

and possibly even drugs as well.

I want to -- by the way, speaking about his health, the officers addressed that in the vehicle. They asked him if he needed go to the hospital. And

you`re about to see what his response was.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m sorry you feel this way.

TRAVIS: Yes, it is.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

TRAVIS: I know it will happen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I hope not. Tell you what, hang on one second, we`re going to leave, OK?

TRAVIS: Yes, well, hurry.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The only thing I`m concerned with is once we get to the jail -- he`s been in a crash and he`s refused treatment.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

TRAVIS: I pray -- I pray-- I pray that this man would just -- die.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You going to ask him again? Talk to him again?

Mr. Travis, the paramedics want to talk to you again one more time.

JONATHAN, PARAMEDIC: Hi Randy. It`s Jonathan.

TRAVIS: All right.

JONATHAN: Just want to make sure you don`t want to go to the hospital and get your head scanned and see if you`re bleeding?

TRAVIS: No, I don`t. No, I don`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Travis, you hit pretty hard over there.

TRAVIS: I`m as fine as a damn dandy.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: Addiction specialist and founder of intervention.com, Brad Lamm joins me live from Los Angeles.

Brad, you`re watching the tape in real time. Does this say to you booze, drugs, head injury, or belligerence, or anything else, or does it say

mental health?

BRAD LAMM, ADDICTION SPECIALIST: It says, you know what it says, Ashleigh, is our war on drugs and alcoholism has failed, and so here`s a guy. It

could have been me 16 years ago. I thankfully was not caught on videotape even though I was a weatherman NTC (ph) at the Fox affiliate.

You know, my worst moments were out on the road, or at home, or acting out and often praying to be relieved of the madness. I could not stop

drinking.

So, look, I have a lot of sympathy for this fellow. I see a guy who looks like he`s deep in his trouble with addiction. And the stories go way back,

Ashleigh.

You know I do a lot of work with talent managers and agents, and it is more difficult in ways to intervene on a person who`s in the headlines already

because, one, they`re often surrounded by people that won`t tell him no, you know, so, it`s challenging to get leverage. But also people like radar

and others, you know, will show up and make hay out of it. Ultimately is it a positive? I think it`s good that we`re talking about it. Alcoholism

is treatable. We`ve come a long way --

BANFIELD: I do want to just jump in Brad.

LAMM: I think that`s the big headline, Ashleigh.

BANFIELD: We do make hay because there was a car crash, and thank God no one else was involved in the crash. A mother with her baby strapped in

back, let`s just say.

LAMM: But don`t get me wrong.

BANFIELD: -- off the road, but he was almost three times the legal limit driving on --

LAMM: Don`t get me wrong. No, I say -- I would say let`s not lock him up. But let`s put him in treatment for six months or lock him up.

Look, I`m glad the tape is public, honestly. I`m just saying when you`re in the public eye it can be more difficult because when I walked in the

room of 12-step and tried to get help and rehab, nobody really knew who I was. But when he tries to be anonymous, there`s very little chance that

there`s any anonymity for Randy Travis.

BANFIELD: Yes, it makes sense.

LAMM: You know, I have an extra level of empathy, but I think these moments were a person gets arrested it`s a great moment where we can get

somebody to say, hey, you need to go into treatment, I don`t care what you say. I hear you say no and you`re going, right?

BANFIELD: Hold on for one second.

LAMM: It`s a perfect moment for intervention, Ashleigh.

BANFIELD: There is this whole notion that Randy Travis` camp is suing, suing the state of Texas, the attorney general and the Department of Public

Service, feeling as though his civil rights have been violated. Now I want to bring in Defense Attorney Jeff Gold to help me sort through this one.

[18:15:07] Are your civil rights violated when a videotape has made public because Joe Schmoe`s (ph) tape would be made public, why shouldn`t Randy

Travis` be made public? And what`s difference for Joe Schmoe being loaded and insulting and threatening police and Randy Travis doing it? Why does

one get to say, well, hold on, this might be mental health and it might be a HIPAA violation?

JEFF GOLD, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, he`s got money to sue. Average Joe would not sue in this circumstance at all, ever. What the police did is

redact this video. They took out the medicines. They took out the things that could be HIPAA violations. They took out everything that could be

objectionable, but they left in what the sunshine law, the freedom of information act requires, is that the public be made aware of these things

unless there`s a compelling interest. And just because he`s a star and doesn`t want to ruin his reputation is not enough.

BANFIELD: Yes, and listen, notwithstanding, everyone who watches Randy Travis and sees him struggling with the -- after the facts that a

debilitating stroke, feels very sorry for him, and that, I get it. I get it.

Let`s be clear again, this all happened prior to that and the fight is happening while he appears in the condition he`s in -- and I`m going to

actually -- as we come up in the next hour, I want you to stick around. I want you to hear specifically how he threatened the police because it

wasn`t just "I`m going to get you." It was specific. There were direct threats. I`m going to play the exact audio and the exact words that he

used against that arresting officer, who, by the way, did not escalate that at all. You`ll hear it in his own words, that`s coming about 45 minutes,

so don`t go anywhere.

Also tonight, we`re learning some brand new details about what the police said happened to that little girl, Sherin Mathews. Remember the night she

disappeared? Everyone wanted to know where she could be? Her dad said she was out back because she wouldn`t drink her milk. That adopted father,

Wesley, well, he claims that that 3-year-old had choked to death after he`d actually been brought in while drinking her milk in the middle of the

night. And now we know how police believe she ended up in a drainage ditch.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did the police learn that Wesley stayed at home the entire night or that he left his home at some point in the night?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He left his house at some point in the night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And did he describe what he did when he left the home?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He put Sherin in the back of the car with a sack of trash and went to a shopping center close by.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was Sherin just in the car or did he put her in something?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think he said he wrapped her in a blanket.

He told us that he went to a shopping center close to his house where he disposed of the trash and then he drove around a little bit more until he

put Sherin in the culvert where we found her body.

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COOPER: Put Sherin in a culvert where now a candle burns in her memory.

Let`s not forget what he first said, put her in the back of the car with a sack of trash. Lead detective also said Wesley Mathews told him he

intended to go back later in the day and get that body back out from the culvert where he left it. The testimony was part of Sini, his wife, and

Wesley Mathews` custody hearing, which happened yesterday. They were trying to regain custody of another child, their biological daughter who`s

been in the care of CPS since shortly after Sherin`s death. Both Sini Mathews and Wesley Mathews face child endangerment charges, but here`s the

catch. Neither of these two has yet to be charged with Sherin`s death. We don`t know if they will. Stay tuned.

Straight ahead, a married state senator in the middle of a sex trafficking scandal after he is caught on tape in a motel room with a young man who is

under the legal age.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But listen. Whatever you`re doing, it`s a bad idea. Does that make sense to you? Like getting high with a young kid, whatever,

is a bad idea no matter if they`re 17 or 20 --

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[18:23:44] BANFIELD: Police have to take every call seriously, even if it`s from overprotective parents worried about their a teenaged child and

the cops in Oklahoma felt the same way as they responded to the call from a dad who was wondering what his son was doing in a motel room in the City of

Moore, Oklahoma just South of Oklahoma City. And dad had ever reason to be worried too, very worried. Because what was happening inside that hotel

room and who his son was with in that motel room was downright criminal.

I want you to take a look at the body cam video that police just released of one Ralph Shortey, a married father of four, and more importantly a

state senator who was in a place that he should not have been.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s go. Let`s open up the door so we can talk to you.

SHORTEY: May I ask why?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What?

SHORTEY: May I ask why?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, because you have a juvenile in your hotel room.

SHORTEY: No, I do not have a juvenile in here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Open the door and we`ll talk to you real quick and we`ll be done. We`re not worried about a little bit of weed. What we are

worried about is you having a juvenile in there. Yes, this one.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

[18:24:59] BANFIELD: Yes, this one. Inside, the officers found Senator Shortey sitting on a messy set of sheets seemingly smoking weed with one

17-year-old boy.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come out.

SHORTEY: I`m right here. I`m right here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come out before you get me worried. Show me your hands. Take a seat on --

SHORTEY: What`s going on?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s going on with you, man?

SHORTEY: Just trying to have a good evening.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A good time? Yes.

What`s your name?

SHORTEY: Ralph.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ralph what.

SHORTEY: Shortey.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You got an ID, Shortey? Shortey doesn`t sound like a last name to me.

SHORTEY: It`s my last name.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shortey is?

SHORTEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And then you growed like 10 feet? Kind of doesn`t work, doest it?

SHORTEY: I`m sorry, guys. You`re kind of freaking me out a little bit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, that`s what we do. He`s 17.

SHORTEY: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you mean, OK?

SHORTEY: I didn`t know --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, but you`ve got a 17-year-old hanging out with you.

SHORTEY: I mean --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dad is worried and you understand that?

SHORTEY: Yes, I didn`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, you got an ID on you? Was there any other drugs in here other than weed?

SHORTEY: No. There`s nothing --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Any guns in here?

SHORTEY: No, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

SHORTEY: Can you show me that he`s only 17?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I can`t. But I can convince you that he is. I can put you in handcuffs and put you in the back of the car.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We can go that route.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, let`s see an ID real quick.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We didn`t just show up here for no reason.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you sir. You can take a seat back down on the bed.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: What police officers did not know at the time was that the man they have in the cross hairs there was their Republican state senator. Not

anymore. He has now resigned. And after cops found him in that motel room with the 17-year-old boy, he was arrested on prostitution charges, child

prostitution charges because police say he was going to pay that teenager that he found on craigslist for sex.

With me, Scott Mitchell, he is the host of "Mitchell Talks" in Oklahoma City.

I don`t even know where to begin. Normally I would begin with this is awful, I can`t believe this could happen, but I`m going to go to the

hypocrisy first, if that`s OK, Scott.

SCOTT MITCHELL, HOST, MITCHELL TALKS (via telephone): Sure.

BANFIELD: Because we did a little digging into that Republican senator`s record and we discovered a few things. First of all, he was the chairman

for the Trump campaign in Oklahoma, he is a very strong Republican, he routinely votes in favor of bills targeting the LGBT community. Reports

have it that his voting record is regularly anti-LGBT, and that he had voted in favor of a bathroom bill that limited transgender access to

bathrooms, and yet his proclivity is to go on craigslist, find a 17-year- old boy, make a plan to come to a motel room, bring your backpack because in it was a box of condoms that was open and a bottle of lotion. Scott,

get me off the ledge.

MITCHELL: I don`t know if I can, Ashleigh. It`s gross.

I mean, here`s what`s happened. I mean this guy -- and by the way, a newspaper in this town, an online publication, NonDoc, nondoc.com did a

freeze frame of that t-shirt. It`s Ephesians 5:22 which is about wives submitting to husbands. It`s New Testament. We don`t need to get into a

theological debate. But if you look on that t-shirt underneath it basically says, now go make me a sandwich.

BANFIELD: I think -- and there we go. Look at that, Ephesians 5:22. Picture of a sandwich, now go make me a sandwich. Let -- can I just read

what Ephesians Chapter 5 Verse 22 actually says, "Wives, submit yourself unto your own husbands as unto the Lord." Now go make me a sandwich.

You know, you can`t make this stuff up. It`s like an Aaron Sorkin movie. Honest to God. And by the way, these aren`t just report, this isn`t fake

news. Anybody who wants to get on and get all up and grill about it, this is all admitted to. He made a plea. He actually pled to child sex

trafficking. Federal charges of child sex trafficking.

MITCHELL: He has and he`s going to be doing a lot of time, but it is just kind of -- like the sign of the times or end of times when this guy was one

of the great moralizers in the Oklahoma State Senate and this goes down. And you know, to have the t-shirt on when he`s popped is just somewhat of a

-- well, again, it`s just a sign of -- if it wasn`t so tragic, it would be a "Saturday Night Live" routine.

BANFIELD: Right. And lest somebody saying that this could be misconstrued, they were only there to smoke pot, whatever it was, having a

sandwich, there were messages that were found between these two, text messages between Shortey and the under aged -- senator, then Senator

Shortey and the under aged teen . And let me just read for you.

By the way, I had to -- I couldn`t even pull out some of the messages.

[18:30:01] The teenager said to him, "Hey keep updated because I want you bad daddy."

And Senator Shortey replied, "I`m going to," blank you, "like a good little boy," smiley face, "if you keep calling me daddy." So it was pretty clear

from the get-go what the plan was for the hotel room. It was pretty really clear that this was all prior to the hotel room, these text messages.

Honest to God, I tried to air the other text message. I tried every permutation and combination to put that on T.V. And there was no way to do

it even redacted, even cleaned up. It was so foul and so filthy the language used between these two. So let`s be real clear, there`s nothing

fake about what happened with this state senator.

So let me play one more moment here because I think the state senator thought -- he`s like his spidey senses were freaking out when he heard the

knock on the door and he was trying to figure out how can he maybe get out of this one. And this is how he decided to question the officers about the

age of the kid in the room with him. Have a look.

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SHORTEY: Does he have his license on him?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m telling you he`s 17. Like, I wouldn`t lie to you. What sense is does it make for me lying to you?

But listen, whatever you`re doing it`s a bad -- idea. Does that make sense to you? Like getting high with a young kid, whatever, is a bad idea. No

matter if they`re 17 or 20. Like, it`s a bad idea. You understand what I`m saying?

Like, if you want to have fun by yourself. If you`ve got things you got to figure out, you need to figure that out and you can live your life however

you want to live it. But when you start doing it with kids and stuff then it starts to become a serious, serious problem.

SHORTEY: I thought, I thought he was over 18.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because listen to me like, if he was a couple of years younger, you`d be going to prison. You understand what I`m saying with no

strings attached. We`d be blowing this story up and we`d be taking you in our car. You understand what I`m saying?

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: So, I want to bring in Jeff Gold on this one, as a defense attorney. I`m guessing that if this is your client, you`d say, bro, you`ve

got no escape. You`re going have to plead to these and -- by the way, these are federal charges. They`re very, very serious.

GOLD: Yes, they`re federal for a couple of reasons. One, it takes the conflict out of the state because he`s a state senator. And then second of

all, they`re much more serious than the state charges. In a perfect world he might try to say -- and I think he was trying to say, oh, this may have

been consensual and how old was he, but once you put in the federal charge of child trafficking, he`s looking at substantial time in prison.

BANFIELD: So, speaking of that, the maximum sentence is 10 years to life. And when -- everybody, oh, well, you`re not going to serve that, Brock

Turner thing. No. When it`s federal, you actually almost serve all of it, correct?

GOLD: Well, no. He won`t serve that time --

BANFIELD: You don`t think he`ll serve somewhere around 10?

GOLD: No, he won`t serve life. No.

BANFIELD: Not life, it`s about 10?

GOLD: It`s going to go under guidelines, and he`s going to get a substantial amount but it won`t be even 10. It`s still a lot more

federally (ph) than --

BANFIELD: I don`t understand how it can be 10 years to life but you can get less than 10.

GOLD: Because everything in the federal system goes under article (ph), the guidelines.

BANFIELD: And what you get sentenced to you actually do.

GOLD: Yes, that is true. No parole --

BANFIELD: That`s the issue.

GOLD: Once you get --

BANFIELD: Yes.

GOLD: Yes.

BANFIELD: You`re not going to get a lot of time off for good time.

GOLD: He will go away.

BANFIELD: Probably a good thing.

GOLD: Yes.

BANFIELD: Certainly out of politics. Thank Jesus. I`m sure the Trump people want him gone too. Head of the campaign for that state, there`s

pictures of him with Don Jr.

GOLD: Well, if the Trump --

BANFIELD: They couldn`t air them because he took them off --

GOLD: The Trump administration is prosecuting him.

BANFIELD: Yes. All right, thank you for that Jeffrey. Don`t go anywhere.

Tonight in Little Rock, the desperate search for the killer of a young mother and two of her little kids too.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[18:37:43] BANFIELD: When grandma comes to visit it is normally hugs and kisses and cookies, especially if you`re 3-years-old and your sibling is 5-

years-old. But when one woman in Arkansas found what she found, she is not only been deprived of every moment like that with her two adorable great

grandkids, she had something much worse happen. Because when she went to pick them up from school yesterday, they had not shown up for class and

when she went to call their mom, there was no answer. She ended up tracking them down at their Little Rock apartment, 24-year-old mother

Moriah and both kids. And when she got there, the horrifying sight she saw. All three, stone cold dead.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

SHEEBA CUNNINGHAM, GRANDMOTHER VICTIMS: -- someone to kill those two kids and her, but, you know, they killed the whole family. I was looking at

them. I couldn`t -- you know, I couldn`t take it in.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Here`s where the case gets extremely dark. When police were first called to the scene, they thought it was a suicide. But now they are

searching for a killer, someone who would take the lives of a beautiful family and run off. Maybe in Moriah`s car which went missing and has since

been recovered. But who was behind the wheel, and who was behind these killings? It is still a mystery tonight.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you guys have an idea of how the individuals died? I mean is there anything apparent that shows a gunshot, or anything along

those lines?

MOORE: I`m sure that detectives have a decent idea of it. They`re not really releasing that information yet. We`ll need to get that confirmed

through the autopsies.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: The colleague of the man you just saw in your screen is Public Information Officer Lieutenant Michael Ford. And he joins me live now from

Little Rock.

Lieutenant Ford, thank you for being on tonight. And our hearts go out to the case that you are working on, two little children as their grandmother

reports, shot dead lying in a pool of blood with their mother shot dead and lying in a pool of blood. Do you have any leads as to suspects?

LT. MICHAEL FORD, PIO, LITTLE ROCK POLICE DEPARTMENT: Not at this time. We`re still asking for the public help in identifying the suspect.

Detectives have been working tirelessly trying to identify through evidence that has been gained from here, and video and other stuff.

[18:40:07] So, we`re still trying to reach out to the community and see if anybody possibly saw anything or knows anything about this homicide.

BANFIELD: So the grandmother is an incredible witness as she came upon this tragic scene. But that is a traumatic experience and she may have

seen things that a law enforcement officer would see differently. She reports they were shot and lying in a pool of blood. Did you see anything

other than that fact?

FORD: At this time we don`t know that to be a fact. We`re still waiting on the medical examiner to come back with the cause of death and determine

how they actually died. So we still have a little ways to go in our investigation to figure out exactly how everyone died.

BANFIELD: And the idea that there is so little to go on at this point as to the perpetrator, that, to any of the neighbors, would be very

unsettling. There would be a fear that the public would be in danger. Is there anything you can say live on this program tonight that would put

aside those fears for the public?

FORD: We have stepped up extra patrol over in that area. And we`re on the lookout for any suspicious person or persons that may be over in that area.

We`re hoping that this is an isolated incident and maybe that they knew the individual somehow.

BANFIELD: So the great grandmother who made this horrifying discovery had this to say about, you know, what she was processing in the aftermath.

Have a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CUNNINGHAM: To come and find all three of them on the floor dead, it`s just unbelievable, unbelievable. Because we had just started planning

Christmas and how she`s going to -- I was going to get her a tree and they were going to decorate it and everything.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Lieutenant Ford, the father of these children came in for questioning voluntarily and then he was arrested and held on unrelated

minor warrants. If I don`t have those facts correct, please correct me. And then also, please answer would it be normal to hold a grieving father

who`s just discovered that his two babies are dead on minor warrants if there weren`t something else he wanted to know?

FORD: Well, you are correct that he did have outstanding warrants out, and any time we get anybody with any outstanding warrants we have to serve

them. It would be turns of the involuntary. We`re still looking at the case as a whole as a totality and trying to figure out if there`s any

connection with him or anybody else.

BANFIELD: Is he still incarcerated?

FORD: At this time I believe he still is.

BANFIELD: And do you believe he is as much a suspect as anyone else or more so?

FORD: We haven`t ruled out anybody as a suspect as of now. We`re still in the early stages of the investigation. So once we know the cause of death

and know exactly what happened to these kids, then we can go further into our investigation and try to figure out who done it.

BANFIELD: Lieutenant, do you know if Moriah Cunningham had a boyfriend or do you know if there was anybody else who frequented her apartment

particularly in the time and question?

FORD: Detectives haven`t passed that information along to me yet. They`re still probably in early stages. They`ve put in a lot of long hours last

night and today. So they`re still in the early stages of gathering all that information who may have came in contact with her or if she had any

roommate turn --

BANFIELD: Because as I understand it, sir, there was no forced entry here and that`s unusual.

FORD: Yes, it is unusual. We still haven`t determined if somebody that she knows or that she doesn`t know.

BANFIELD: And what about security camera video? And usually these apartment complexes might have something, some kind of security cameras.

Have you been able to mind for any kind of video that would be helpful?

FORD: Our detectives have been doing a neighborhood canvass, and they actually did notice that there was video on the apartment complex. So I`m

pretty sure as of now, they`ve gotten a video and they`re reviewing it.

BANFIELD: You`re in the process of reviewing it now?

FORD: Yes.

BANFIELD: And so far it`s not giving you anything. You don`t have a person of interest?

FORD: Not at this time that I`m aware of.

BANFIELD: Lieutenant Ford, I hope we can talk again. I hope you`ll have leads to go on and I hope we can certainly, you know, follow this story as

you follow the trail and find the person who did this and find justice for Moriah and Alayliah, her daughter, and Elijah, her son. I want to bring in

if I can Steve Moore.

[18:45:02] Steve Moore is Former FBI agent and investigator. He`s also CNN law enforcement contributor, joins me from Los Angeles. Steve, what would

-- I mean without any leads at this point that we know of, what would they be doing in that apartment? How would they be processing it? How do you

start? What do you begin to do when you have two dead babies and a mom in a pool of blood?

STEVE MOORE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT CONTRIBUTOR: The first thing you do is steel yourself before you even go in the door. But the second thing you do

is look for the murder weapon. If a person has committed suicide or a murder suicide, the murder weapon and suicide weapon will be near them. If

there`s not a weapon within their arm reach or from a falling distance, then you know it`s not a suicide no matter how it looks.

You`re also going to look at forced entry and you`re going to look at location of the bodies, where these things happened and look for secondary

evidence, which would indicate where each one of the killings occurred. There`d be blood in those areas most likely and you`d want to know if the

bodies have been moved.

BANFIELD: Sure. And maybe bring in the FBI for some help or some testing as well. Steve, thank you. Appreciate your time on this --

MOORE: Anytime.

BANFIELD: -- and our thanks to Lieutenant Michael Ford as well.

There is outrage tonight after a fake sign language interpreter inserted herself front and center in front of the Tampa officers who were announcing

a very serious arrest in a serial killer`s actions in Tampa, and this is not the first of its kind. It`s not the first time this has happened.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[18:50:51] BANFIELD: Last week the Police Department in Tampa, Florida, had a major announcement to make. It had been national news. A suspected

serial killer who took the lives of four people at random, shooting them dead on the streets there. And the police were finally going to make an

arrest after weeks of hunting for them.

The mother of one of those victims was reportedly in the crowd that night relying on this woman, the sign language interpreter to find out -- if

there`d finally be some justice after her daughters death, only she could not understand what this lady was saying because the sign language she was

actually doing, it was complete gibberish.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We received over 5,000 tips in this case. I am pleased to announce that tonight we will be making an arrest in the Seminole

Heights murders.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So police actually told "Inside Edition" that they had not asked anyone to interpret at this conference, but that this woman was just there,

so they used her.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

STEPHEN HEGARTY, PIO, TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT: I just didn`t ask enough questions. I didn`t call for a sign language interpreter, but that`s

great.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Except it wasn`t great, because police later learned that Darlene Roberts has a criminal record including charges of fraud. And she

won`t be charged for this one, but it is reportedly an ethical violation. It`s not the first time this kind of thing has happened either.

During Hurricane Irma this fall, a county employee with limited knowledge of ASL was reportedly used in a pinch. He was hounded for signing the

words pizza and bear and monster. And it happened with a different interpreter back in 2013 and this was big. It was the memorial for Nelson

Mandela in South Africa where world leaders from President Obama to Raul Castro were present. And right next to them was this fellow.

A deaf actor, actually, went as far as to say, this was almost like he was doing baseball signs. But he said he was doing South African sign language

and he still stands by his work. Everybody else said it`s was just -- well, they didn`t were quite sure.

Defense Attorney Jeff Gold is with me. So, you know, I wanted to say, I get it. It`s not -- she hasn`t broken any laws. But what`s the difference

between her doing that and depriving someone of being able to hear that important news and someone taking the ramp away from a federal building and

not letting anyone with a wheelchair access it?

Well that might be a criminal mischief. They`re toying with federal property but there are laws that say you can`t pretend you`re a lawyer, you

can`t pretend you`re a nurse and doctor, but -- and even a certified interpreter in court, for example, would be committing an offense. But

here it`s just embarrassing.

BANFIELD: Yes. And mean. It`s just mean, you know.

GOLD: Well, I mean the police quite often just say to the fellow in the car next, do you speak Spanish? And they use it, well, that sort of what

they did here. It wasn`t -- it was embarrassing.

BAFIELD: Backfired. Don`t go anywhere. We got one more thing tonight, signing off from your job after 35 years is hard to do, no matter how tough

you are.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OFFICER ROBERT BROWN, REITRES AFTER 35 YEARS OF SERVICE: Headquarters take me out of service.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Headquarters to all cars be advised, after 35 years of faithful and dedicated service for the Westchester County, Police

Department, Police Officer Robert W. Brown shield 1120 Signal 2 for the final time.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[18:58:51] BANFIELD: We have one more thing for you tonight. A police officer tearing up as he signed-off for the last time over his police

radio. His name is Officer Robert Brown, and after 35 years in the service in Westchester County, New York, his wife decided to post the video of his

emotional radio farewell on Facebook.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BROWN: It`s been a great ride with great bunch of men and women, and I thank you all. Please continue to watch over Westchester, and above all,

be safe and come home to your loved ones at the end of your tour. Headquarters take me out of service.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Headquarters to all cars be advised, after 35 years of faithful and dedicated service for the Westchester County, Police

Department, Police Officer Robert W. Brown shield 1120 Signal 2 for the final time. Please join me in wishing PO Brown a happy, healthy and safe

retirement. You`ll be missed my friend. Congratulations. You`re out of service at 22:29.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Can I just add thank you Officer Brown from all of us.

Straight ahead, we`ve got more of the explosive Randy Travis video. You`re going to hear his specific words, the direct threats of violence that he

made against his arresting officers.

[19:00:03] The next hour of "Crime & Justice" starts now.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`ll forever be known as the god of country music.

TRAVS: I`m going to love you forever and ever, forever and ever, amen.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But now he`ll also be known for this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The naked man sitting in the back of the fire truck? Randy Travis.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A drunken crash where police found him naked and belligerent.

TRAVIS: You`re a dead man in under 10 minutes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Randy Travis, Grammy winner seven times over, but he threatened officers with a mob hit.

TRAVIS: You`ll die mother --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His people say it was out of character and fought the release of the tape. One year later, Travis nearly died from a stroke but

has sympathy for that clouded over anger for this.

TRAVIS: You have the right to do me this way? No, sir, you don`t.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His platforms were personal liberty, public safety, and fighting illegal immigration. So where does he stand on child

prostitution?

SHORTEY: Can you show me that he`s only 17?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because this married father and Oklahoma senator --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s your name?

SHORTEY: Ralph.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ralph what?

SHORTEY: Shortey.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- was caught at a hotel with a teenage boy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whatever you`re doing, it`s a bad idea.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say he was making a deal for sex.

SHORTEY: I`m trying to have --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A good time?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And it was all caught on tape.

A young mom and her adorable little kids, bombshell discovery by their grandma.

MOORE: A family member came over to check after the children didn`t go to school today.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All three stone cold dead in their own apartment. Now Arkansas police are on the hunt for the heartless monster who did it.

MOORE: We don`t have any concrete suspect information.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Critical information about a suspected serial killer.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We will be making an arrest in the Seminole Heights murders.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But some people couldn`t hear the message.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was just standing there twisting her hands back and forth.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And the woman hired to translate gave them nothing but gibberish. How does a woman like this get hired in the first place?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where did this person come from, and why did they not vet her appropriately?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So how does this keep happening?

Her dad said she went missing in the middle of the night.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The story keeps changing. I don`t believe it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But after her body was found in a drain pipe --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was contrary to what we were initially told.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was locked up but not for murder.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She wanted a loving family and she could. Get that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tonight shocking details, about what dad did the night the little girl disappeared.

And the hunt in Florida for a brazing (ph) car burglar, but look closely. That`s not your average car and that`s not your average stolen stuff.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: Good evening, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. Welcome to another hour of "Crime & Justice" tonight. We have access to a video. So

surprising that we just can`t stop watching it and it`s five years old. But the reason that`s very, very new is that it just been released and it

seems to have the country talking tonight, because it shows legendary country singer Randy Travis like this, naked man running around on the

North Texas road and he just happened to be three times the legal limit of alcohol consumption, and everything he says to the police officers who are

trying to wrangle (ph) him is on tape.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Travis! Hey he`s running. Hey, come back here. Come back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Travis, can you tell me what happened in the crash?

TRAVIS: I don`t know. I don`t give a rat`s ass.

So you think you goddamn got the right to do me way do this? Mother -- no you don`t. Oh, hell, no you don`t. You`ll die mother --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Travis, what did I do to you?

TRAVIS: You put these goddamn handcuffs on me. If you would`ve told me to get into this car, you wouldn`t have put these goddamn handcuffs on me?

No, I would`ve prayed for you to have hell for this. But you know something? I`m seeing miracles happen. I don`t pray for you to have the

biggest growth on your hand that will make you so goddamn -- watch this mother --. Watch this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

TRAVIS: I pray -- I pray-- I pray that this man would just -- die.

[19:05:04] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You going to ask him again?

JONATHAN: Just want to make sure you don`t want to go to the hospital and get your head scanned and see if you`re bleeding?

TRAVIS: No, I don`t. No, I don`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Travis, you hit pretty hard over there.

TRAVIS: I`m as fine as a damn dandy.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: Some of the singer`s comments can be chopped up to what some might say a silly drunken behavior. You could even hear the officers

laughing at sometimes. But then some of what Randy Travis says really starts to escalate, escalate to the point that he was all out was

threatening to kill the officer, and not just once.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

TRAVIS: You better pray now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why is that?

TRAVIS: Because you`re a dead man in under 10 minutes.

It just keeps adding up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What am I adding up?

TRAVIS: Reason to kill you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m sorry.

TRAVIS: You`re a dead man by tomorrow.

You think I`m lying to you, just check me out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, Mr. Travis.

TRAVIS: I know a lot of people. I know the head of Mafioso families, man. I promise you I do.

You insult me, man. You insult me. You goddamn insulted me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How did I insult you, Mr. Travis?

TRAVIS: You insulted me by locking me up in a goddamn cage basically with handcuffs behind me with my d-- hanging out. Now, and I`m proud of my d00

is bigger than most, but --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

TRAVIS: -- you insulted me. You`re a dead man.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: On the list of things you should never say to a police officer. Radaronline.com Senior Reporter Alexis Tereszcuk joins me live from Los

Angeles.

Alexis, the original charge that Randy Travis was facing in this was felony retaliation. And, look, I`m just assuming that felony retaliation pertains

to all that stuff we just heard about killing these cops.

TERESZCUK: Absolutely. He said that he was going to kill one. He actually said that he hoped the other one would get cancer and die. Also

he knows was running around. The cops handcuffed him, they sat him down on the back of the fire truck that was there first, and he takes off running,

butt naked running down the street away from the cops. He was about as uncooperative as you can get. And we have seen people treated much worse

by cops. These cops were amazing to Randy Travis. They were calling him Mr. Travis, very respectful. He actually -- if you noticed in the video,

he`s seating in the front seat. He`s buckled in, he`s in his handcuffs. But he`s in the front seat. He`s not in the back, in the cage, which he

says. He really got very, very special treatment. I`m not saying the cops did anything wrong. I`m just saying that he was treated very respectfully

considering --

BANFIELD: -- I`ll tell you what. I didn`t see the cops doing anything wrong in all of the video that I watched. You`re right. Talk about being

treated with deference. He`s in the front seat. They never escalate. They don`t goad him. They don`t get angry at him after he -- you know,

hoping they die of bone cancer. And you just heard him say, I know people high up in the mob and, you know, he`s threatening to sick these people on

the police officers. It went even further. It went even further with what he said he was going to do to them and what he was going to do with it.

Have a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

TRAVIS: You got 60 rounds coming at you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hmm?

TRAVIS: You got 60 rounds fully automatic coming at you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why would you say something like that?

TRAVIS: Because that`s what`s coming man.

You f-- with me, you f-- with the wrong person and I`m coming.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Travis, that is not even necessary.

TRAVIS: You`re a dead man. I will bury you under a farm.

Ain`t nobody going to do anything about it. All you got to do is take these goddamn handcuffs off me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Travis, I know you`re upset.

TRAVIS: You`re goddamn right I`m upset.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But there`s no reason for you to talk --

TRAVIS: You`re a dead man.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, I`m going to let you --

TRAVIS: You`re a dead man.

You`re enjoying the hell out of this making me wait, aren`t you.

Maybe I would too.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: So let`s be clear. The original charge he was facing, DWI and felony retaliation. He ultimately pleaded to misdemeanor DWI, and

ultimately the sentence, two years` probation, plus fines, and community service, treatment, and an ignition interlock device present on any car

that he drives.

Alexis, why wasn`t there already an ignition lock because as it turns out six months before this awfulness that we`re witnessing now, he had another

drinking incident and car incident and arrest incident.

TERESZCUK: You`re exactly right. Cops found him outside of a church, again, naked in his car. He`d been drinking. He confessed. He fully

said, I am drinking. But, again, nothing happened to him. Randy Travis, he`s a huge star in this town of Texas. So he basically got away with it.

And then six months later, he crashed his car, the night of his naked video. It wasn`t just that he was walking down the street naked. He`d

gone to a convenience store naked, asked to buy some cigarettes. The guy said, don`t you think you forgot your clothes? Randy Travis said, no, I

didn`t forget my clothes. I forgot my wife. Takes off in his Trans-Am and crashes it. He could have killed somebody. He could have killed himself.

[19:10:29] BANFIELD: I got to be honest, Alexis. I wasn`t aware he was naked in the car --

TERESZCUK: Yes.

BANFIELD: -- first time around as well. Six months prior. I don`t have that confirmed, but, dear God. Let me read for --

TERESZCUK: OK.

BANFIELD: -- our audience what he actually released to the public after that incident six months prior outside the church with the open bottle of

wine, the public intoxication.

Randy Travis`s statement, "I apologize for what resulted following an evening of the Super Bowl. I`m committed to being responsible and

accountable and apologize for my actions."

Ultimately what happened is that his family and his representatives fought five years to keep that tape suppressed. They fought against the Texas

authorities because freedom of information says this kind of arrest -- this is public. These are our police. We are paying them. These are our roads

that he crashed his Trans-Am. Thank God nobody was there to be crashed into and hurt. These arrests are on our dollar. And that`s why these

videos are public. But they fought it, why?

TERESZCUK: They fought it because they say that there was private medical information in this video. That it showed he`d been drinking. It talked

about him being on drugs, it was a prescription drug for ADHD, attention deficit disorder drugs. So they said that it`s a violation of HIPAA, and

that it should not be released because it showdown prior medical situations and that he was in a bad state, that he was really -- he needed help. And

so, that this was completely out of character for him. And so, this really wasn`t in a public interest, they said. That it`s violating his own

private medical interest.

BANFIELD: All right, and for all the Randy Travis fans out there and the folk who aren`t and maybe don`t know, a year after this happened or the

next year after this terrible videotape actually was recorded and this arrest was made and the profanity and the threats against the police, Randy

Travis had a stroke and it was not a small stroke. It was a near deadly stroke and this is the condition that resulted. He was unable to walk. He

was walking with help with a stick, with a cane. He was unable to speak, unable to sing. He has been making his comeback and trying to regain his

life. It is unknown if he will ever have the life that he used to have.

And for that, there was a lot of sympathy for Randy Travis. But let`s be very clear. What happened on that video was prior to any of these medical

circumstances. Prior to any deadly -- near deadly stroke. And so the sympathy needs to be separated from the incident and the law.

I want to bring in Darrin Porcher, if I can, retired NYPD lieutenant and criminal justice expert, Jeff Gold is with me, as well, defense attorney.

Darrin, when you hear 60 rounds and I`m going to seek (ph) the mob on you and you watch these guys and their strained behavior, I want to get your

initial thoughts.

DARRIN PORCHER, RETIRED NYPD LIEUTENANT: Mr. Travis clearly escalated the situation. The officer was the (INAUDIBLE) professional. He in no way

shape or form was hooked by Randy Travis` actions. But we have to take into consideration, although Randy Travis ran into a high impact continue

(INAUDIBLE) on the highway, there could have been someone that he injured and killed. Luckily, it was only himself. So it begs the question of,

what is he doing as individual to prevent these things from occurring? You mentioned, he`s -- a stroke, a year or two later. But these acts took

place prior to him having the stroke. So we need to focus and pinpoint on his actions prior to the stroke.

BANFIELD: I mean, listen, you could say drunk, funny, ha-ha, but when you say these things, and you say I hope you get cancer so deep into your bones

you die and I`m going to unleash 60 rounds and bury you into a farm and no one will ever find you. That`s where the law kicks in. And that`s where

you get the charge felony retaliation.

Now it was dropped in favor of this plea deal for just misdemeanor DWI. But he was also seated in the front seat. Tell me a little bit about -- is

that against the rules? Is that deference? Is that -- listen, we`re treating you real well, fellow. What does it mean to see him in the front

seat?

PORCHER: The procedure guideline for Police Department is different nationally. Traditionally in the places in the South and the Midwest they

seat arrestees in the front seat whereas here in New York City, for example, we seat arrestees in the back seat. One man patrols and we look

at this particular instances was a one-man patrol. So I guess it gave you sort of better sight towards Mr. Travis.

BANFIELD: Speaking of one man patrol, someone showed up, another officer showed up. There`s this quick piece of sound I want to throw to each of

you I can, where they just kind figure out, hey, that`s Randy Travis. And I just -- listen to their -- the realization. Listen to the -- sort of the

feeling that they have.

PORCHER: -- believed who`s --

[19:15:04] BANFIELD: They can`t believe it. Have a listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want to prepare you for something.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The naked man sitting in the back of the fire truck? Randy Travis.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Let me ask you something and be really, really honest with me. Does it make a difference to the metric of how things play out? How you

treat someone when you realize you got a big one, you got one. That`s likely going to go public. You know these videos will likely go public.

Does anything change in the policing at all when all of a sudden a Mel Gibson, a Paris Hilton, a Randy Travis, a Tiger Woods shows up on your cam?

PORCHER: I`ve arrested several high-profile citizens, but at the same token, I treated them just like the common citizen and that`s the way these

officers should do with Randy Travis moving forward.

BANFIELD: Should is one thing, sir? What really happens? Do they worry and they do things more by the book, do they give him a break because, oh,

dear God, this poor guy, he`s not going to get the same treatment as Joe Shmoe is going to get. He`s going to end up all over the news. Joe Shmoe

can go to work the next day and no one will know about this. Randy Travis`s career could be over. And I`m the guy going it, does that make a

difference to him?

PORCHER: Remember, this was all a body cam. So everyone can see it. Therefore the officers are going to do what`s necessary -- based on the

procedural guidelines.

BANFIELD: They`re going to cross every "T" and dot every --

PORCHER: Absolutely.

BANFIELD: -- they know that video --

PORCHER: Body cam has changed policing.

BANFIELD: Well, and listen, it took five years, Jeffrey, it took five years for that video to be made public because of the pitched battle that

the family fought. They suggested all sorts of things like civil rights violations if you release that video. They sued the Texas administration,

the attorney general, the Department of Public Safety, saying you can`t release that tape. And those of us in the sunshine world who say public is

public, said no, and we won. The public won.

GOLD: I mean, look, they just wanted to save his reputation as much as they can. But I disagree. The officer knew that this tape was coming out

and would be on T.V. He acted totally appropriately. But remember, Randy Travis had a head injury and I think he was obstreperous as probably

because of that as well as -- you know, that`s probably would happen --

BANFIELD: But some argument there?

GOLD: They just didn`t want this to come out. They fought it as hard as they can because they have the money to. Most people don`t.

BANFIELD: Yes. Well, it`s out. And I think it`s a -- sometimes people say this is the kind of thing that saves their lives. Sometimes people say

this is the kind of thing that can save other people`s lives because when you see that you don`t want to be that.

Guys thank you so much. Appreciate it.

Tonight, police in Florida searching for this guy, you see him out scoping a car. And it`s not just any car, folks. That`s an opa-locka police

officer`s patrol car and unfortunately for that officer, it`s unlocked. First thing the fellow did, he grabbed the police tactile vest from the

back seat of the car. And that`s not all. He decided to take a taser too, and then decided to take a round of ammo and an AR-15 assault rifle with

three fully loaded magazines from the trunk of the car. Suspect is described as a light skinned or black Hispanic possibly male about 5`10"

inches tall, 160 pounds. I think with the description, very, very brazen as well.

Straight ahead, a married state senator in the middle of a sex trafficking scandal. Yes, you heard it. After he`s caught in a motel room with an

understood aged boy.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But listen, whatever you`re doing it`s a bad -- idea. Does that make sense to you? Like getting high with a young kid, whatever,

is a bad idea. No matter if they`re 17 or 20. Like, it`s a bad idea. You understand what I`m saying?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:23:40] BANFIELD: Police have to take every call seriously even if it`s from overprotective parents worried about their teenaged child. And the

cops in Oklahoma felt the same way as they responded to the call from a dad who was wondering what his son was doing in a motel room in the city of

Moore, Oklahoma, just South of Oklahoma City. And dad had every reason to be worried too, very worried. Because what was happening inside that motel

room and who his son was with in that motel room was downright criminal.

I want you to take a look at the body cam video that police just released of one Ralph Shortey, a married father of four, and more importantly a

state senator who was in a place that he should not have been.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s go. Let`s open up the door so we can talk to you.

SHORTEY: May I ask why?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What?

SHORTEY: May I ask why?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, because you have a juvenile in your hotel room.

SHORTEY: No, I do not have a juvenile in here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Open the door and we`ll talk to you real quick and we`ll be done. We`re not worried about a little bit of weed. What we are

worried about is you having a juvenile in there. Yes, this one.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: Yes, this one. Inside, the officers found Senator Shortey sitting on a messy set of sheets seemingly smoking weed with one 17-year-

old boy.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

[19:25:06]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come out.

SHORTEY: I`m right here. I`m right here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come out before you get me worried. Show me your hands. Take a seat on --

SHORTEY: What`s going on?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s going on with you, man?

SHORTEY: Just trying to have a good evening.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A good time? Yes.

What`s your name?

SHORTEY: Ralph.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ralph what.

SHORTEY: Shortey.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You got an ID, Shortey? Shortey doesn`t sound like a last name to me.

SHORTEY: It`s my last name.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shortey is?

SHORTEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And then you growed like 10 feet? Kind of doesn`t work, doest it?

SHORTEY: I`m sorry, guys. You`re kind of freaking me out a little bit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, that`s what we do. He`s 17.

SHORTEY: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you mean, OK?

SHORTEY: I didn`t know --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, but you`ve got a 17-year-old hanging out with you.

SHORTEY: I mean --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dad is worried and you understand that?

SHORTEY: Yes, I didn`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, you got an ID on you? Was there any other drugs in here other than weed?

SHORTEY: No. There`s nothing --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Any guns in here?

SHORTEY: No, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

SHORTEY: Can you show me that he`s only 17?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I can`t. But I can convince you that he is. I can put you in handcuffs and put you in the back of the car.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We can go that route.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, let`s see an ID real quick.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We didn`t just show up here for no reason.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you sir. You can take a seat back down on the bed.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: What police officers did not know at the time was that the man they have in the cross hairs there was their Republican state senator. Not

anymore. He has now resigned. And after cops found him in that motel room with the 17-year-old boy, he was arrested on prostitution charges, child

prostitution charges because police say he was going to pay that teenager that he found on craigslist for sex.

With me, Scott Mitchell, he is the host of "Mitchell Talks" in Oklahoma City.

I don`t even know where to begin. Normally I would begin with this is awful, I can`t believe this could happen, but I`m going to go to the

hypocrisy first, if that`s OK, Scott.

MITCHELL (via telephone): Sure.

BANFIELD: Because we did a little digging into that Republican senator`s record and we discovered a few things. First of all, he was the chairman

for the Trump campaign in Oklahoma, he is a very strong Republican, he routinely votes in favor of bills targeting the LGBT community. Reports

have it that his voting record is regularly anti-LGBT, and that he had voted in favor of a bathroom bill that limited transgender access to

bathrooms, and yet his proclivity is to go on craigslist, find a 17-year- old boy, make a plan to come to a motel room, bring your backpack because in it was a box of condoms that was open and a bottle of lotion. Scott,

get me off the ledge.

MITCHELL: I don`t know if I can, Ashleigh. It`s gross.

I mean, here`s what`s happened. I mean this guy -- and by the way, a newspaper in this town, an online publication, NonDoc, nondoc.com did a

freeze frame of that t-shirt. It`s Ephesians 5:22 which is about wives submitting to husbands. It`s New Testament. We don`t need to get into a

theological debate. But isf you look on that t-shirt underneath it basically says, now go make me a sandwich.

BANFIELD: I think -- and there we go. Look at that, Ephesians 5:22. Picture of a sandwich, now go make me a sandwich. Let -- can I just read

what Ephesians Chapter 5 Verse 22 actually says, "Wives, submit yourself unto your own husbands as unto the Lord." Now go make me a sandwich.

You know, you can`t make this stuff up. It`s like an Aaron Sorkin movie. Honest to God. And by the way, these aren`t just report, this isn`t fake

news. Anybody who wants to get on and get all up and grill about it, this is all admitted to. He made a plea. He actually pled to child sex

trafficking. Federal charges of child sex trafficking.

MITCHELL: He has and he`s going to be doing a lot of time, but it is just kind of -- like the sign of the times or end of times when this guy was one

of the great moralizers in the Oklahoma State Senate and this goes down. And you know, to have the t-shirt on when he`s popped is just somewhat of a

-- well, again, it`s just a sign of -- if it wasn`t so tragic, it would be a "Saturday Night Live" routine.

BANFIELD: Right. And lest somebody saying that this could be misconstrued, they were only there to smoke pot, whatever it was, having a

sandwich, there were messages that were found between these two, text messages between Shortey and the under aged -- senator, then Senator

Shortey and the under aged teen . And let me just read for you.

By the way, I had to -- I couldn`t even pull out some of the messages.

The teenager said to him, "Hey keep updated because I want you bad daddy."

[19:30:03] And Senator Shortey replied, "I`m going to," blank you, "like a good little boy," smiley face, "if you keep calling me daddy." So it was

pretty clear from the get-go what the plan was for the hotel room. It was pretty really clear that this was all prior to the hotel room, these text

messages.

Honest to God, I tried to air the other text message. I tried every permutation and combination to put that on T.V. And there was no way to do

it even redacted, even cleaned up. It was so foul and so filthy the language used between these two. So let`s be real clear, there`s nothing

fake about what happened with this state senator.

So let me play one more moment here because I think the state senator thought -- he`s like his spidey senses were freaking out when he heard the

knock on the door and he was trying to figure out how can he maybe get out of this one. And this is how he decided to question the officers about the

age of the kid in the room with him. Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

SHORTEY: Does he have his license on him?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m telling you he`s 17. Like, I wouldn`t lie to you. What sense is does it make for me lying to you?

But listen, whatever you`re doing it`s a bad -- idea. Does that make sense to you? Like getting high with a young kid, whatever, is a bad idea. No

matter if they`re 17 or 20. Like, it`s a bad idea. You understand what I`m saying?

Like, if you want to have fun by yourself. If you`ve got things you got to figure out, you need to figure that out and you can live your life however

you want to live it. But when you start doing it with kids and stuff then it starts to become a serious, serious problem.

SHORTEY: I thought, I thought he was over 18.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because listen to me like, if he was a couple of years younger, you`d be going to prison. You understand what I`m saying with no

strings attached. We`d be blowing this story up and we`d be taking you in our car. You understand what I`m saying?

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: So, I want to bring in Jeff Gold on this one, as a defense attorney. I`m guessing that if this is your client, you`d say, bro, you`ve

got no escape. You`re going have to plead to these and -- by the way, these are federal charges. They`re very, very serious.

GOLD: Yes, they`re federal for a couple of reasons. One, it takes the conflict out of the state because he`s a state senator. And then second of

all, they`re much more serious than the state charges. In a perfect world he might try to say -- and I think he was trying to say, oh, this may have

been consensual and how old was he, but once you put in the federal charge of child trafficking, he`s looking at substantial time in prison.

BANFIELD: So, speaking of that, the maximum sentence is 10 years to life. And when -- everybody, oh, well, you`re not going to serve that, Brock

Turner thing. No. When it`s federal, you actually almost serve all of it, correct?

GOLD: Well, no. He won`t serve that time --

BANFIELD: You don`t think he`ll serve somewhere around 10?

GOLD: No, he won`t serve life. No.

BANFIELD: Not life, it`s about 10?

GOLD: It`s going to go under guidelines, and he`s going to get a substantial amount but it won`t be even 10. It`s still a lot more

federally (ph) than --

BANFIELD: I don`t understand how it can be 10 years to life but you can get less than 10.

GOLD: Because everything in the federal system goes under article (ph), the guidelines.

BANFIELD: And what you get sentenced to you actually do.

GOLD: Yes, that is true. No parole --

BANFIELD: That`s the issue.

GOLD: Once you get --

BANFIELD: Yes.

GOLD: Yes.

BANFIELD: You`re not going to get a lot of time off for good time.

GOLD: He will go away.

BANFIELD: Probably a good thing.

GOLD: Yes.

BANFIELD: Certainly out of politics. Thank Jesus. I`m sure the Trump people want him gone too. Head of the campaign for that state, there`s

pictures of him with Don Jr.

GOLD: Well, if the Trump --

BANFIELD: They couldn`t air them because he took them off --

GOLD: The Trump administration is prosecuting him.

BANFIELD: Yes. All right, thank you for that Jeffrey. Don`t go anywhere.

Tonight in Little Rock, the desperate search for the killer of a young mother and two of her little kids too.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:37:39] BANFIELD: When grandma comes to visit it is normally hugs and kisses and cookies, especially if you`re 3-years-old and your sibling is 5-

years-old. But when one woman in Arkansas found what she found, she is not only been deprived of every moment like that with her two adorable great

grandkids, she had something much worse happen. Because when she went to pick them up from school yesterday, they had not shown up for class and

when she went to call their mom, there was no answer. She ended up tracking them down at their Little Rock apartment, 24-year-old mother

Moriah and both kids. And when she got there, the horrifying sight she saw. All three, stone cold dead.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CUNNINGHAM: -- someone to kill those two kids and her, but, you know, they killed the whole family. I was looking at them. I couldn`t -- you know, I

couldn`t take it in.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Here`s where the case gets extremely dark. When police were first called to the scene, they thought it was a suicide. But now they are

searching for a killer, someone who would take the lives of a beautiful family and run off. Maybe in Moriah`s car which went missing and has since

been recovered. But who was behind the wheel, and who was behind these killings? It is still a mystery tonight.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you guys have an idea of how the individuals died? I mean is there anything apparent that shows a gunshot, or anything along

those lines?

MOORE: I`m sure that detectives have a decent idea of it. They`re not really releasing that information yet. We`ll need to get that confirmed

through the autopsies.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: The colleague of the man you just saw in your screen is Public Information Officer Lieutenant Michael Ford. And he joins me live now from

Little Rock.

Lieutenant Ford, thank you for being on tonight. And our hearts go out to the case that you are working on, two little children as their grandmother

reports, shot dead lying in a pool of blood with their mother shot dead and lying in a pool of blood. Do you have any leads as to suspects?

FORD: Not at this time. We`re still asking for the public help in identifying the suspect. Detectives have been working tirelessly trying to

identify through evidence that has been gained from here, and video and other stuff.

[19:40:03] So, we`re still trying to reach out to the community and see if anybody possibly saw anything or knows anything about this homicide.

BANFIELD: So the grandmother is an incredible witness as she came upon this tragic scene. But that is a traumatic experience and she may have

seen things that a law enforcement officer would see differently. She reports they were shot and lying in a pool of blood. Did you see anything

other than that fact?

FORD: At this time we don`t know that to be a fact. We`re still waiting on the medical examiner to come back with the cause of death and determine

how they actually died. So we still have a little ways to go in our investigation to figure out exactly how everyone died.

BANFIELD: And the idea that there is so little to go on at this point as to the perpetrator, that, to any of the neighbors, would be very

unsettling. There would be a fear that the public would be in danger. Is there anything you can say live on this program tonight that would put

aside those fears for the public?

FORD: We have stepped up extra patrol over in that area. And we`re on the lookout for any suspicious person or persons that may be over in that area.

We`re hoping that this is an isolated incident and maybe that they knew the individual somehow.

BANFIELD: So the great grandmother who made this horrifying discovery had this to say about, you know, what she was processing in the aftermath.

Have a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CUNNINGHAM: To come and find all three of them on the floor dead, it`s just unbelievable, unbelievable. Because we had just started planning

Christmas and how she`s going to -- I was going to get her a tree and they were going to decorate it and everything.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Lieutenant Ford, the father of these children came in for questioning voluntarily and then he was arrested and held on unrelated

minor warrants. If I don`t have those facts correct, please correct me. And then also, please answer would it be normal to hold a grieving father

who`s just discovered that his two babies are dead on minor warrants if there weren`t something else he wanted to know?

FORD: Well, you are correct that he did have outstanding warrants out, and any time we get anybody with any outstanding warrants we have to serve

them. It would be turns of the involuntary. We`re still looking at the case as a whole as a totality and trying to figure out if there`s any

connection with him or anybody else.

BANFIELD: Is he still incarcerated?

FORD: At this time I believe he still is.

BANFIELD: And do you believe he is as much a suspect as anyone else or more so?

FORD: We haven`t ruled out anybody as a suspect as of now. We`re still in the early stages of the investigation. So once we know the cause of death

and know exactly what happened to these kids, then we can go further into our investigation and try to figure out who done it.

BANFIELD: Lieutenant, do you know if Moriah Cunningham had a boyfriend or do you know if there was anybody else who frequented her apartment

particularly in the time and question?

FORD: Detectives haven`t passed that information along to me yet. They`re still probably in early stages. They`ve put in a lot of long hours last

night and today. So they`re still in the early stages of gathering all that information who may have came in contact with her or if she had any

roommate turn --

BANFIELD: Because as I understand it, sir, there was no forced entry here and that`s unusual.

FORD: Yes, it is unusual. We still haven`t determined if somebody that she knows or that she doesn`t know.

BANFIELD: And what about security camera video? And usually these apartment complexes might have something, some kind of security cameras.

Have you been able to mind for any kind of video that would be helpful?

FORD: Our detectives have been doing a neighborhood canvass, and they actually did notice that there was video on the apartment complex. So I`m

pretty sure as of now, they`ve gotten a video and they`re reviewing it.

BANFIELD: You`re in the process of reviewing it now?

FORD: Yes.

BANFIELD: And so far it`s not giving you anything. You don`t have a person of interest?

FORD: Not at this time that I`m aware of.

BANFIELD: Lieutenant Ford, I hope we can talk again. I hope you`ll have leads to go on and I hope we can certainly, you know, follow this story as

you follow the trail and find the person who did this and find justice for Moriah and Alayliah, her daughter, and Elijah, her son. I want to bring in

if I can Steve Moore.

[19:44:57] Steve Moore is Former FBI agent and investigator. He`s also CNN law enforcement contributor, joins me from Los Angeles. Steve, what would

-- I mean without any leads at this point that we know of, what would they be doing in that apartment? How would they be processing it? How do you

start? What do you begin to do when you have two dead babies and a mom in a pool of blood?

MOORE: The first thing you do is steel yourself before you even go in the door. But the second thing you do is look for the murder weapon. If a

person has committed suicide or a murder suicide, the murder weapon and suicide weapon will be near them. If there`s not a weapon within their arm

reach or from a falling distance, then you know it`s not a suicide no matter how it looks.

You`re also going to look at forced entry and you`re going to look at location of the bodies, where these things happened and look for secondary

evidence, which would indicate where each one of the killings occurred. There`d be blood in those areas most likely and you`d want to know if the

bodies have been moved.

BANFIELD: Sure. And maybe bring in the FBI for some help or some testing as well. Steve, thank you. Appreciate your time on this --

MOORE: Anytime.

BANFIELD: -- and our thanks to Lieutenant Michael Ford as well.

There is outrage tonight after a fake sign language interpreter inserted herself front and center in front of the Tampa officers who were announcing

a very serious arrest in a serial killer`s actions in Tampa, and this is not the first of its kind. It`s not the first time this has happened.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:50:46] BANFIELD: Last week the Police Department in Tampa, Florida, had a major announcement to make. It had been national news. A suspected

serial killer who took the lives of four people at random, shooting them dead on the streets there. And the police were finally going to make an

arrest after weeks of hunting for them.

The mother of one of those victims was reportedly in the crowd that night relying on this woman, the sign language interpreter to find out -- if

there`d finally be some justice after her daughters death, only she could not understand what this lady was saying because the sign language she was

actually doing, it was complete gibberish.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We received over 5,000 tips in this case. I am pleased to announce that tonight we will be making an arrest in the Seminole

Heights murders.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So police actually told "Inside Edition" that they had not asked anyone to interpret at this conference, but that this woman was just there,

so they used her.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HEGARTY: I just didn`t ask enough questions. I didn`t call for a sign language interpreter, but that`s great.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Except it wasn`t great, because police later learned that Darlene Roberts has a criminal record including charges of fraud. And she

won`t be charged for this one, but it is reportedly an ethical violation. It`s not the first time this kind of thing has happened either.

During Hurricane Irma this fall, a county employee with limited knowledge of ASL was reportedly used in a pinch. He was hounded for signing the

words pizza and bear and monster. And it happened with a different interpreter back in 2013 and this was big. It was the memorial for Nelson

Mandela in South Africa where world leaders from President Obama to Raul Castro were present. And right next to them was this fellow.

A deaf actor, actually, went as far as to say, this was almost like he was doing baseball signs. But he said he was doing South African sign language

and he still stands by his work. Everybody else said it`s was just -- well, they didn`t were quite sure.

Defense Attorney Jeff Gold is with me. So, you know, I wanted to say, I get it. It`s not -- she hasn`t broken any laws. But what`s the difference

between her doing that and depriving someone of being able to hear that important news and someone taking the ramp away from a federal building and

not letting anyone with a wheelchair access it?

Well that might be a criminal mischief. They`re toying with federal property but there are laws that say you can`t pretend you`re a lawyer, you

can`t pretend you`re a nurse and doctor, but -- and even a certified interpreter in court, for example, would be committing an offense. But

here it`s just embarrassing.

BANFIELD: Yes. And mean. It`s just mean, you know.

GOLD: Well, I mean the police quite often just say to the fellow in the car next, do you speak Spanish? And they use it, well, that sort of what

they did here. It wasn`t -- it was embarrassing.

BAFIELD: Backfired. Don`t go anywhere. We got one more thing tonight, signing off from your job after 35 years is hard to do, no matter how tough

you are.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BROWN: Headquarters take me out of service.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Headquarters to all cars be advised, after 35 years of faithful and dedicated service for the Westchester County, Police

Department, Police Officer Robert W. Brown shield 1120 Signal 2 for the final time.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:58:43] BANFIELD: We have one more thing for you tonight. A police officer who tear up as he signed-off for the last time over the police

radio. Robert W. Brown, retired after 35 years of service in Westchester County, New York. So his wife posted the video of what you can only say

was the most emotional radio farewell of all time.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BROWN: It`s been a great ride with great bunch of men and women, and I thank you all. Please continue to watch over Westchester, and above all,

be safe and come home to your loved ones at the end of your tour. Headquarters take me out of service.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Headquarters to all cars be advised, after 35 years of faithful and dedicated service for the Westchester County, Police

Department, Police Officer Robert W. Brown shield 1120 Signal 2 for the final time. Please join me in wishing PO Brown a happy, healthy and safe

retirement. You`ll be missed my friend. Congratulations. You`re out of service at 22:29.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Officer Brown you are awesome.

Thanks for watching, everybody. We`ll see you back here tomorrow night 6:00 Eastern Time for "Crime & Justice".

In the meantime, "Forensic Files" begins right now.

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