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HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Hala Gorani. We are coming to you live from CNN London.
Tonight, Al Franken will resign. He is the latest powerful man to fall amid sexual harassment allegations.
Also, coming up this hour, parts of California in flames. Wildfires rage across the territory twice the size of Washington, D.C.
Plus, this --
GORANI: Tear gas, rubber bullets after Donald Trump's Jerusalem decision, but what will come of all the anger. We'll explore this hour.
And we begin on Capitol Hill where the "Me Too" Movement has again reached the hollowed halls of the U.S. Congress. Democratic Senator Al Franken
says he'll resign over allegations that he touched women inappropriately after dozens of members of his own party called on him to step down.
The comedian turned lawmaker did not apologize during his speech on the Senate floor and he said some of the allegations against him were not true.
Franken also called out President Trump, who was repeatedly accused of sexual misconduct during his campaign.
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SENATOR AL FRANKEN (D), MINNESOTA: I have of all people am aware that there is some irony in the fact that I am leaving while a man who has
bragged on tape about his history of sexual assault sits in the oval office and a man who has repeatedly preyed on young girls campaigns for the Senate
with the full support of his party.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Al Franken there just shortly really a few minutes ago in the Senate in his resignation speech. White House reporter, Stephen Collinson,
joins me now from Washington with the latest on Franken's fall from grace.
I guess, one of the obvious questions is why did Democrats pressure him at this time to stepdown? Why did they make that calculation?
STEPHEN COLLINSON, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: I think what's going on here, Hala, is quite a ruthless calculation. It's clear that what the Democratic
Party is doing is purging its ranks of lawmakers of men who've had allegations made against them, John Conyers, the longest serving House
member had to resign under pressure from his leadership this week.
What it's doing is it's setting up a situation when -- so when Roy Moore, the Alabama Republican Senate candidate, who has been accused of much more
serious allegations than the ones against Franken presumably arrives in the Senate after winning what most people think will be a victory in the
Alabama Senate race next week.
The Democrats can brand the Republicans as the party that tolerates sexual harassment. The Republican National Committee is now supporting Moore.
The president himself has openly endorsed him saying it's better that he is there in the Senate than a liberal Democrat. So, you can see how this is
going to go down if Moore does win the election.
GORANI: So, Roy Moore of Alabama, so the Democrats are thinking if he makes it, which we are expecting that he will win the seat, that you'll
have a sitting U.S. senator accused of being a child molester and it will be a lot easier for us to portray ourselves as the clean party versus the
Republicans. Is that basically summing it up?
COLLINSON: That's basically it and they will also, of course, bring up those allegations that you mentioned against President Trump, which, you
know, were a huge deal in the election campaign.
The White House referring to that today basically said that the American people had spoken with those allegations by electing Donald Trump, and
there was nothing more to say. But I think the Moore/Trump sort of double act is going to be a huge messaging opportunity for Democrats not just in
the next few weeks.
But as we go into the midterm elections next November once we get through the Christmas holiday period, that's going to be looming right in the
center of U.S. politics. And the Democrats couldn't make that case so effectively had Conyers and Franken been there.
And it was clear from Franken's speech that, you know, he was quite defiant. He wanted to make it clear that he wasn't admitting to these
allegations and he said in fact that some allegations that were made against him were not true.
So -- but he's basically been pushed aside. It started in fact with women Democratic senators. A group came out one after the other on Wednesday and
it quickly became clear that there was no political viability left for Franken.
[15:05:10] GORANI: All right. Stephen Collinson, thanks very much with the very latest from Washington.
By the way, later, there will be more on this topic. My take on just how pervasive the problem with sexual harassment is, what should be done about
it, what still needs to change. I'll also have a special panel of guests. So, stay tuned for that later this hour.
I want to talk about the Southern California because the fire danger index is off the charts there. Heavy smoke from multiple wildfires produced a
hellish orange haze on the Pacific coast. Take a look at this. I mean, it's looks like the surface of the moon.
Wildfires have already scorched large parts of Greater Los Angeles. They are still spreading. In some places, the hot, dry winds fanning them are
so strong that firefighters have no chance of containing the flames.
More than a hundred thousand people have been driven out of their homes and hundreds of schools have been closed, and the impact even goes beyond
California's shores. Smoke plumes that can be seen from space are extending over a thousand miles into the Pacific.
The largest fire is in Ventura County north of Los Angeles. It's more than double the size of Washington, D.C. to give you a sense of the scale, and
it's already destroyed dozens of residential buildings.
Paul Vercammen is standing by with the very latest. So, is it the case really that with the winds and the lack of rain, what are the options for
PAUL VERCAMMEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, there is a limited option in some ways. They can go and hand fight these fires. You can see -- you are
talking about Ventura County, we are standing right on the Santa Barbara County line and if your eyes are super good and I'll ask Jeff King to zoom
in, you can see that an engine has taken the fight to that hot spot on the blaze.
It is trying to douche it with flame. This fire is moving northwest from Ventura County to Santa Barbara County. As you pointed out, Hala,
complexity, options. I just heard a helicopter for the first time today.
The winds were too strong for them to even get up the helicopters. They are going to try to hit some of these hotspots from the air. It's very
effective with water, and then the other component is can they get fixed- wing aircraft to drop that retardant that impedes the spread of the fire.
They haven't been able to get those fixed-wing aircraft up today and a bit of irony here, there is a National Guard airwing that's not far from here
in Ventura County and they have firefighting capabilities because they converted military planes to fire retardant dropping planes.
And they got up in the air yesterday. They haven't been up today, but I know from talking to the major there that three firefighters in that group,
these National Guard members lost their houses and another 50 have been evacuated at some point.
So, they are sitting really close home and I can hear a helicopter right now, Hala, and I think it's going to go ahead and try to make a run at this
hill. We'll show you what they do. Go ahead and fire away. It might take a minute or so for them to drop this water, but it's certainly an effective
way to get after those hotspots.
GORANI: All right. Yes. We'll wait for that because I'd be quite curious to see how a helicopter is trying to deal with those blazes and they are so
extensive and so ferocious with the winds and the lack of rain. I see that the cameraman there is tilting his camera up.
To be honest, Paul -- it's so hazy we can't really see through the haze so much. We do see the helicopter, but we are not sure we are seeing it
actually do its work of dumping anything right now on the plane.
VERCAMMEN: I'll describe what he's -- what the helicopter pilot is doing. They are going to drop a bucket of water on one of the leading edges of
these hotspots. It's coming toward us and below us is an orchard with avocados, lemons, and I guess, they also have blueberries.
So, he's hovering a spot trying to make a direct hit. As I said, it's very difficult as you can imagine to get fire engines up in this terrain, down
right dangerous. So, what they do is they hover over the spots, measure where they think they can most effectively drop and impede its progress,
and then let it fly.
So, they are making a multipronged attack on this Thomas fire and as you pointed out, it has burned so much acreage, 96,000 acres so far and
counting. So, it makes it extremely difficult for firefighters to get in and there's the drop of water. It looks like he got a pretty direct hit on
those trees in that area. They hope to get more drops on this area.
GORANI: We definitely saw that. That was really a good clear shot. Thanks very much, Paul Vercammen in Ventura County outside of Los Angeles
with the very latest. You have that helicopter dropping a bucket of water, but it does seem as though it's going to need more than just a few buckets
and the conditions are not helping either.
[15:10:13] We'll keep following that story. Paul, thanks so much.
In the Middle East, some streets look like warzones in the West Bank and Gaza today as protests intensified over Donald Trump's decision to
recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Take a look.
GORANI: Israel deployed hundreds of extra troops as Palestinians turned out for a day of rage. Palestinian medics say at least 49 people were
injured in clashes in the West Bank. Most by rubber bullets and tear gas fired by Israeli force.
As volatile as today was, things could get even worst. Tomorrow, it is Friday, typically you have demonstrations after Friday prayers when there
are issues. CNN's Ian Lee watched the protest unfold on the streets of Ramallah.
IAN LEE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Donald Trump delivered a message Wednesday and this is the Palestinian reply.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They shot me because I'm defending the right to exist.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I will go down everyday and defend the right to exist.
LEE: A day of rage in Ramallah, this area, a typical flashpoint for clashes.
(on camera): Tear gas is coming in. We are out.
(voice-over): On one side, Israeli soldiers, the other, Palestinians.
(on camera): They just released a volley of tear gas towards the protesters. Usually from one of their trucks. Watch out we got an
ambulance coming through.
(voice-over): But this isn't your typical protest. Thousands gather, men, women, young, old, angry and frustrated. Fighting over inches for hours.
Stones versus tear gas and rubber bullets.
Arab leaders warned this could happen. Protesters say they are not angry at Trump and Israel, they are furious with both, but also with their own
leaders. Palestinians we spoke with here wants a concrete plan.
Jerusalem is their capital too they say and until they get action from their leaders, this is how they'll counter the U.S. president's
GORANI: Ian Lee joins me now live from Ramallah where it's a little after 10:12 p.m. Is this -- I mean, let's put it in context. I mean, obviously,
the tires were set on fire. There were rubber bullets and the rest of it, but where -- I mean, there is no talk here and I've seen it float around
online of another (inaudible). I mean, we are not at all seeing this level of protest, are we?
LEE: Well, it's really hard to tell right now, Hala. You're right. We've had a lot of people call for it online. We've had different leaders of
different factions call for it. The most noticeably (inaudible) from Hamas, but really that has to materialize on the streets.
Now the one thing we can say about it today is that area we went, it's the DCO. It's one of the checkpoints outside of Ramallah. Usually they do
have protests there every other week on a Friday.
But this time, we just saw thousands of people gathering. They are far greater numbers than we have seen in previous protests, clashes, and it was
the diversity too that really struck me as well.
Usually at these clashes, you do get young men. This time, we saw everyone there. Everyone wanted to go out and have their voice heard. Now, is this
one day of rage and tomorrow or the next day, it will be different?
Well, tomorrow, as you pointed out, Fridays are big days of protests, and we are expecting more of that similar violence that we saw today. But does
it have the steam to continue into what some people are calling a (inaudible), really that's hard to tell right now -- Hala.
GORANI: Pretty much. Ian Lee is in Ramallah. Condemnation of Mr. Trump's decision was swift and fierce coming not just from the Muslim world, but
from U.S. allies in Europe as well.
GORANI: There were protests peppered around the Arab world. Protesters turned out across Lebanon chanting and waving Palestinian flags. Hezbollah
Leader Hassan Nasrallah is calling for mass demonstrations on Monday as well as social media campaign.
There was also some outrage on the streets of Jordan as demonstrators marched on the U.S. Embassy there. Turkey has especially harsh words for
Mr. Trump saying his decision puts the entire region, quote, "in the ring of fire."
[15:15:06] The European Union has a dire warning as well.
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FEDERIC MOGHERINI, E.U. FOREIGN POLICY CHIEF: President Trump's announcements on Jerusalem has a very worrying potential impact. It is a
very fragile context and the announcement has the potential to send us backwards to even darker times than the ones we are already living in.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: All right. Federica Mogherini there. The Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, is, of course, delighted that the president designated
Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and he's downplaying all the backlash.
In fact, he said he's in contact with other countries that could follow the U.S. president's lead on Jerusalem.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER: Jerusalem has extraordinary history and over the millennial you can actually cite a few significant
milestones. Yesterday's statement by President Trump I think is such a milestone.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Two senior U.S. sources say the White House knew Mr. Trump's decision could derail the Mideast peace process, whatever is left of it, at
Elise Labott joins us now from the State Department with more. Why was the calculation made to go ahead and recognize officially from the U.S. side
Jerusalem is the capital of Israel knowing it could cause violence, anger, and especially anger with solid allies in the Middle East like Saudi and
ELISE LABOTT, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Well, Hala, I think the president was pretty clear and his advisers have been pretty clear that
this was a presidential decision to make good on a campaign pledge that he made to his supporters.
He wanted to let everybody know that when he makes a promise, he is going to deliver. He knew it was a historic thing. Of course, a lot of
presidents have said that they are going to recognize Jerusalem.
That they are going to move that embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv. But he wants to be the person to make that, the president to make that historic
announcement, that historic decision, and actually go ahead and do it.
Now I think that, you know, some of the White House officials we have spoken to say they realized that this could be a temporary setback for the
peace process. They've seen the protest in the region. Obviously, a lot of U.S. allies not just as we've heard in the Arab world, but in Europe,
very concerned about the decision.
And you know, right now, communications with the Palestinians is not what it was a couple of days ago. The Palestinians obviously very angry about
this decision, but they say this was really the kind of opportune time if they were going to have to do it to make the announcement because they've
already kind of started consulting in the region building those relationships.
They don't want to do it while they are trying to gain that trust. They also don't want to it while they are at the peace table. So, I think they
are hoping they'll be able to mitigate the damage by continuing to meet with the parties, talk with them, and try and kind of regain some of the
trust that was lost.
I also think that they think this might build some kind of credibility with the Israelis that, you know, the U.S. -- that they know that the U.S. has
their back, and I think they are also trying to let the Palestinians know that look they are looking this from a new perspective.
And that's clearly while they do hope that there could be a two-state solution, it is going to be, you know, very much in the Israeli
GORANI: Right. And I think that's what many of the Arabs and the Palestinians have said is the United States essentially has given up its
role as neutral sort of mediator in this. That they've already taken sides. Some of them say we've known this already, but now, you know, that
announcement has officially been made by the president. Is there any hope left for any of this peace process to be revived based on that?
LABOTT: Well, I think if you talk to White House officials and they wouldn't say it, you know, so bluntly, but I think they are going to try to
make lemonade out of lemons.
And so, if they think that this gives them, you know, more credibility with the Israelis, you know, one of the concerns that President Obama, other
presidents have had is that the Israelis are not willing to make the kind of compromises on settlements, Jerusalem that they would have liked them
Maybe if the U.S. has more credibility with the Israelis that they might be able to deliver Israel to get -- to make those kinds of historic
concessions. It's a big gamble, but you know, we talked to some advisers and we said, you know, this isn't going to help, you know, the peace
And they said, look, this was not a decision for the peace process. It wasn't meant to help. It was the president making a deliverance on his
GORANI: Elise Labott at the State Department, thanks so much.
Still to come tonight, time is running out to make a decision on what to do with this piece of land. The latest on the negotiations over the Northern
Ireland border next.
[15:20:07] Plus, they are called the silence breakers. We'll speak to the reporter behind "Time's" person of the year cover story and one of the
women featured in it. We'll be right back.
GORANI: It is crunched time in the Brexit talks again. The British prime minister, Theresa May, is scrambling to offer a new deal on the border
between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.
One that would please everyone. The E.U. and especially the Republic of Ireland on the one hand and on the other, the small northern Irish party
that props up Mrs. May's government.
Our Diana Magnay is in Belfast, Northern Ireland with more. So, tomorrow is Friday. It's the end of the week. We were expecting a deal to be
announced a few days ago in Brussels. It wasn't. What's the latest?
DIANA MAGNAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, the E.U. does like to set deadlines, Hala, but you do get the feeling that they are losing patience
and if Theresa May doesn't come up with the goods this time, she doesn't (inaudible) the DUP then we won't be talking next phase of the talks at
next week's European Council Summit.
As you said, this is a question of pleasing everyone. She's spoken to the Irish (inaudible) today. She's spoken to the European Commission president
and we know from the DUP that negotiations in Westminster have been going on between them.
But this has been the DUP's week in the spotlight and we've spoken to plenty of people here in Northern Ireland who say they don't speak for
MAGNAY (voice-over): An evening in West Belfast along the Falls Road, Brexit has sharpened all fault lines here in the former heartland of IRA
Republicanism. It's strange even to see the (inaudible) on a mural in West Belfast. This one is to protest what the Republican Party (inaudible) says
will be a British-imposed hard border while Theresa May can't get a deal with Brussels.
JOHN FINUCANE, SINN FEIN PARTY: So, I think what it shown is that the (inaudible) of the people of the north of Ireland who didn't vote for
Brexit feels (inaudible) very much British Brexit imposed upon them, which show that the only thing that is good for the people of Ireland is a
special designated status within the European Union.
MAGNAY: Last night at the City Hall, another group of remainers, but single market access is a red line for May and her Brexiters.
DAVID FORD, MEMBER OF NORTHERN IRELAND ASSEMBLY: The referendum didn't say anything about the customs union in the single market, but Theresa May
appeared to decide immediately after she became prime minister that that would have to be the case. And I think that is now being shown to be
completely contradictory to any (inaudible) the U.K. united.
MAGNAY: And keeping the U.K. united is exactly why Arlene Foster, head of the DUP, through the proverbial spanner in the Brexit works on Monday,
blocking progress on the deal because of disagreements over the status of Northern Ireland.
[15:25:04] (on camera): This is her constituency (inaudible). She's actually here today, but her team has said that she won't be giving any
interviews. (Inaudible) is also, of course, the site of one of the most notorious IRA bombings on Remembrance Sunday 30 years ago. In 20 years
since the Good Friday agreement, there are concerns that that long fought for peace and stability could be threatened by Brexit.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It took me actually 15 years to actually walk on the streets --
MAGNAY (voice-over): Stephen Gault lost his father on that terrible memorial Sunday. It's still a live issue for him and for today's
politicians, many of whom were active then, which is why he says he fully supports Arlene Foster's position.
STEPHEN GAULT, SON OF IRA VICTIM: My father was murdered on this very spot 30 years ago (inaudible) by the people that are fighting and were killing
people in the name of Ireland and that's my whole total fear that this could be the opening the gates (inaudible).
MAGNAY: Another red line, the U.K. won't stand for, but these days, red lines, deadlines and the shades of gray in between all seemed to fade in
the fog of Brexit.
MAGNAY: Now the Brexit Select Committee paid a visit to the Irish border today and they were told by a policeman that there was a very real
possibility if a hard border were to materialize that the infrastructure around the border, customs officials, policemen, would become the targets
of dissident groups.
Those paramilitary groups still do exist in this country and that is a very, very real concern to many people here. But the question is, has
Theresa May managed to get -- fudged the wording to placate the DUP to get a deal on the table -- Hala.
GORANI: All right. That is the big question. Thanks very much, Diana Magnay.
Australia is the 24th country in the world to legalize same-sex marriage.
GORANI: Cheers and songs broke out after the vote passed in parliament. Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull called a great day that, quote, "belongs to
every Australian." And some lawmakers started singing in court the unofficial anthem, "I Am, You Are, We Are Australian."
But this certainly didn't come overnight, gay rights advocates have campaigned for this for years. Debate on the bill lasted four days and
even included a proposal when gay member of parliament, Kim Wilson, asked his partner to marry him and he said, yes.
Still to come tonight, could the solution to sexual misconduct in the workplace, simply be more women with more power. I'll ask you to consider
Plus, later in the show --
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was always trying to capture the accurate and authentic move of what was taken place.
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GORANI: I speak to the photographer behind the pictures documenting Barack Obama's eight-year presidency coming up.
HALA GORANI, CNN HOST, HALA GORANI TONIGHT: Welcome back to the program. It feels as though the floodgates have opened since the allegations of
serious sexual misconduct against Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein.
Every day, we've come to wonder, who will be next? There are big names in entertainment, like Louis C.K. and Kevin Spacey. Big names in journalism.
Huge names in broadcast news like Matt Lauer and Charlie Rose.
In politics as well with Al Franken of Minnesota, who just today announced his resignation from the US Senate.
Even accusations against the president himself by a host of women, but the repercussions overall have not ended his career or many others in politics.
And women everywhere, in every industry have shared their own stories of harassment with the viral hashtag #MeToo. But every industry across most
of the world has one painful thing in common. The percentage of women at the top is in the last two years still frankly laughable.
Consider this, in the entertainment industry, of the top 250 highest grossing films at the American box office in 2016, only 7 percent had
female directors. Only one woman director, Kathryn Bigelow, had ever won an Oscar. And it was for a movie, "The Hurt Locker" on the Iraq War.
In my industry, there are, to be fair, women in management positions. But as far as I can find, just two women at the very top of major American and
British networks. Paula Kerger of PBS and Carolyn McCall who will take the helm of ITV in January.
Depressingly, work by women anchors, field reporters and correspondents fell to about 25 percent of reports in 2016 from 32 percent in 2015.
In politics, the United States is 104th in female representation in parliament, about 19 percent of women serve in Congress, for instance.
Sexual harassment and intimidation are rarely about sexual gratification. They are a way to project power by men who feel there will be no
repercussions for their actions.
So, in order for there to be real change, it isn't enough to just out the abusers. There needs to be a fundamental change in how much of the power
women really share.
It is great that the veil of secrecy and shame is slowly lifting to reveal what women have always known, but many men are coming to find out.
Being a woman in 2017 in most of the world still means fighting to be heard and respected as much as men are. That is just a fact.
So, how to change that. Former "Fox News" anchor Gretchen Carlson, in her recent article for "Variety Magazine" proposes that harassment cases should
be handled by an independent ombudsman, not by the company that employs the harassers. That could be a start.
But the big step is into the boardroom. There needs to be a conscious and deliberate effort to promote women to the highest positions in the
corporate and political world. Of course, this will not happen overnight.
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SHERYL SANDBERG, CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER, FACEBOOK: In my generation, there will not be 50 percent of people at the top of any industry. But I'm
hopeful that future generations can. I think a world that was run where half of our countries and half of our companies are run by women would be a
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Well, it will take time and my generation won't see it. I do agree with Facebook CEO Sheryl Sandberg on that.
But it sure feels like something has shifted. And what seemed just a few months ago like a very distant dream now somehow feels a bit more within
This week's "TIME Magazine" announced its Person of the Year winner, honoring what it called the "Silence Breakers," the women and men who
bravely came forward in droves to expose their abusers.
Among them is Wendy Walsh. She was the first woman to go on the record it a "New York Times" investigation that broke sexual harassment allegations
against former Fox News anchor Bill O'Reilly.
Wendy joins us from Los Angeles. And in New York, Charlotte Alter who reported on the "TIME" cover story.
I'm going to start with you, Charlotte. First of all, we were all sort of wondering in the newsroom before the "TIME" Person of the Year announcement
was made. We figure #MeToo, the silence breakers movement was a strong, strong contender. How much will it change things, do you think,
culturally? Will it really effect change?
[15:35:11] CHARLOTTE ALTER, JOURNALIST, "TIME MAGAZINE": Well, that's always one of the questions and we're never quite sure exactly what the
outcome of something like this will be.
What we did decide was that this was the story of the year. This was the thing that really defined almost - it was a through-line of so much of the
news of this year.
And the difference is now - I mean, look, sexual harassment and sexual assault has been happening as long as men and women have walked the earth.
The difference now is that people are listening and people are paying attention to women and people are believing women.
So, I think that's where change can really be made, as in sort of making a statement that these stories are valid and true and important.
GORANI: And, Wendy, sometimes nothing changes for 20 years. And then, all of a sudden, in two weeks, it seems like the entire world has shifted in a
way that is noticeable in the way perhaps that the #MeToo campaign and the fact that the women who have been - and sometimes men - victims of sexual
harassment are speaking out.
Do you think this will be long-lasting change? In which case, how do you think it will change the world women ought to live in?
WENDY WALSH, CNN HUMAN BEHAVIOR EXPERT: Well, I think we're still in the destruction phase. All development, all change, all life goes in cycles of
destruction, followed by creation, following by homeostasis.
And feminism has been in a homeostasis phase really since the 1980s. And when women barged into boardrooms - well, not boardrooms, into workplaces,
wearing shoulder pads and thinking that we have the same amount of power.
But now, we're starting to see that we're only in destruction phase. For Instance, no one has offered me a job. No one's hired the women back who
had claims against "Fox News", for instance. We would welcome that.
So, we're not seeing actual change. We're seeing talk of change, and that's the beginning.
GORANI: Yes, that is the beginning. But it certainly, as you mentioned, means we're at the beginning of a very long road.
GORANI: Charlotte, you - and what I found great about this "TIME" story is that it's across the board. It's not the celebs only, the personality.
It's, for instance, the hotel housekeepers who have to deal on a regular basis with men exposing themselves and doing terrible things in hotel rooms
that don't necessarily have the voice of the platform to complain and make their concerns heard.
ALTER: Yes, absolutely. We decided that very deliberately. We did not want this to just be voices of rich, white movie stars. This is something
that cuts across all industries, all socioeconomic division.
And, in fact, it's often sort of low income women, women in service industries, women of color, undocumented women, who not only face this the
most, but also have the fewest resources to efface.
So, notice on our cover, we feature Isabel Pascual - that is actually a pseudonym. She is a strawberry picker in California and she spoke out
about sexual harassment in her industry. And she's on the cover right there with Ashley Judd and Taylor Swift because the point is that this is
something that affects all women, not just the ones who been able to speak out loudly about it.
GORANI: I found that great actually. And, Wendy, one of the points I was making there before we came to you was, look, it's great to out abusers and
alleged harassers. But in the end, unless women share power, nothing really is going to change fundamentally because women need to share power
with men. This is a projection of power after all. How do you achieve that?
WALSH: Well, first of all, what's happening is great because we are having patriarchy exposed to us. You know the old metaphor, two fish are swimming
upstream, the old wise fish is swimming down. He says how is the water, boys. They keep swimming. And one says to the other, what is water?
So, now we're all seeing the water around us. Patriarchy is always a bid to control women's reproduction, whether it's controlling who she has sex
with, when she has sex with, whether it's dangling a paycheck above her to do it, whether it's controlling her access to birth control or an abortion.
And so, now all this is being blown apart. I think the beginning step will be to remove non-disclosure agreements. Yesterday, a bill was written
that, hopefully, will pass in Congress to make non-disclosure agreements illegal because these are longform emotional abuse. Literally, removing a
woman's voice for life, unable to talk about things.
And then, to rehire back some of these women who have had claims.
GORANI: Yes. That's an important point. But if you're waiting - Charlotte, to you, for the people in power to willingly give up that power,
we might be waiting a long time.
[15:40:04] I mean, there are other countries, for instance, France, with varying degrees of success, has a gender parity law. Scandinavia, you have
countries in that part of the world where more than 50 percent of representatives in Parliament are female.
But there are sort of mandated legal requirements to hire as many women as men in corporations, for instance. Is this something that should be
ALTER: Look, I think that's a really important point. I don't know necessarily that the conversation in the United States has gotten to the
point of debating whether we need to have quotas on corporate boards.
What I do know is that 2018 is going to be a year of record numbers of women running for office in the United States. I think there are a lot of
women who are angry. There are a lot of women who were just normal, non- political regular voters in 2016; and then, in 2017, they became activists; and in 2018, they'll be candidates.
At this point in the cycle, EMILY's List, which recruits and trains pro- choice Democratic women, they normally have about 900 women who've reached out to them about running for office.
In this year, they have 22,000. So, that is a huge number. And I think that we should all get ready to see a surge of women candidates coming in
to try to oust some of the older white men that have held power in this country for so long.
GORANI: And, Wendy, do you agree that's the path forward, that's something that will really create a new environment in which women will share more of
WALSH: Yes, of course. If women become the policymakers, I myself have been inspired to run. I still have one kid in the best. But as soon as
she's out, my name is going to be on a ballot.
GORANI: Wendy Walsh, thanks so much for joining us. And Charlotte Alter of "TIME Magazine", we really appreciate your time this evening on this
And I want to hear what you think about this. What have been your experiences trying to break the glass ceiling or how do you think that
change can truly happen and what are the best ways to put more women in top jobs.
Reach our online, Facebook.com/HalaGoraniCNN and @HalaGorani on Twitter.
We'll be right back. Stay with us.
GORANI: Caught in a nightmare, while chasing a dream, last year, thousands of African migrant women headed to Europe looking for a fresh start, only
to be sold into prostitution.
CNN's Isa Soares has one woman's story.
ISA SOARES, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): On a bitterly cold October night, young women huddle over a stove, each one waiting
patiently for men.
[15:45:05] Finally, across the road, a car stops and one girl runs to her client. This is Europe and these streets Turin and Rome are their open
In 2016, 11,000 Nigerian women arrived by sea in Italy, according to the International Organization for Migration, most of whom risk become victims
of trafficking and prostitution in Europe.
Meet 17-year-old Becky, she was one of them and she came in search of the European dream.
BECKY, VICTIM OF PROSTITUTION: I just wanted to look for a better life and a better future.
SOARES: She was tricked by a madam, a female Nigerian pimp who works for a trafficking ring.
(on-camera): Who pays?
BECKY: She pays.
SOARES: So, she pays, but you're indebted to her? How much money do you need to pay her back?
BECKY: 35,000 euro.
SOARES (voice-over): But her journey is fraught. Along the way, she's taken prisoner and is raped at the hands of predators in Libya.
BECKY: When you're sleeping at night, they would just come, get up, follow me. Sometimes they would not even take you out. They have to put you in
that same room where there are other people there. Do what they have to do to you and they would just leave.
SOARES: Together with four other girls, Becky is put in a dingy (ph) to Italy. Now, here the reality of this transaction is clear.
BECKY: This will make money. You have to sleep with men.
(INAUDIBLE) better to bring 200 euro back to your madam. Maybe - if a man sleeps with you, the highest he can pay you is 30 euro. You calculate how
many men are you going to sleep with to get 200 euros?
SOARES: Your whole life is going to be tied to this debt?
BECKY: You keep paying, paying, paying. It never gets finished.
SOARES: She escaped and is now being held by CHAM (ph), a migrant rights and anti-trafficking organization that has rescued more than 400 women and
girls from prostitution.
Like the others here, she has started Italian lessons and has a job as a ceramist. Work that allows her to reflect on what she's endured.
BECKY: Many people, if you ask them not to come, they would not listen to you because they feel like living abroad is the best life ever. Everybody
wants to be here, everybody wants to see what it's like, but it's not what they think it is.
SOARES: It's clear for all to see what it actually is, a new slave trade of human trafficking and human misery.
Isa Soares, CNN, Piedmont, in Northern Italy.
GORANI: Well, you may have thought the Brits were the most obsessed with their tea. Well, think again. "Feast on Tokyo" introduces us to a tea
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: These look like beakers filled with chemical solutions and test tubes of organic samples. But despite the white lab
coat, Shinya Sakurai is not a scientist. He's a former bartender turned tea master.
SHINYA SAKURAI, TEA MASTER AT SAKURAI JAPANESE TEA EXPERIENCE: I want the people to experience the tea from all over Japan through five senses like
seeing them, smelling them and tasting them.
[15:50:00] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The decor is a nod to tea's history as a medicinal drink. And Sakurai is conducting an experiment of sorts. He's
trying to find new ways for people to enjoy tea.
One contemporary approach? Tea cocktails.
SAKURAI: Because I was a bartender, so it was fairly natural for me to include the liquor with the tea. So, for me, tea and liquor are both
(INAUDIBLE) and important.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sakurai offers 18 varieties of shochu or tea liquor on his menu. And he's still doing research to make more.
When it comes to traditional teas, Sakurai's offers much more than matcha. Sakurai pairs his tea tastings with Japanese snacks. Most courses come
with traditional sweets called wagashi, but others matched with savory rice.
With each sip, Sakurai tries to take familiar teahouse traditions and present them in modern ways.
SAKURAI: Also, I want people to get out of home - of ordinary life and enjoy Japanese tea as well as the Japanese culture and quite peaceful
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Overlooking the bustling streets of Harajuku, a tranquil estate may be just what the doctor ordered.
GORANI: Finally, he followed the most powerful man in the world for years and documented history in the making. Pete Souza was the chief White House
photographer for President Barack Obama. I spoke with him on the occasion of his new book coming out, "Obama: An Intimate Portrait."
PETE SOUZA, CHIEF WHITE HOUSE PHOTOGRAPHER UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA: I guess the main takeaway is a lot of stuff happen in eight years.
SOUZA: And it was. It was a challenge to really tell the narrative of his presidency and still include some of my favorite photos.
GORANI: Let's talk about some of the images that have become iconic. And the one I would like to start with is that picture in one of the areas of
the Situation Room of the president, at the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and national security staff watching as it unfolded live the Osama
bin Laden raid.
SOUZA: Yes. I mean, the thing that strikes me about that photograph is you've got the most powerful people in the federal government, as you
mentioned, all gathered in that room together.
And there's really nothing they could do to affect the outcome of this mission. All they could do was watch. Their decision had been made in the
days and weeks before. And now, they're somewhat powerless and not being able to help the guys that are on the ground.
GORANI: Now, one of the photos, and this is the one we have in our video wall here, is the moment that the president learned of the Sandy Hook
massacre. Talk to us about that.
SOUZA: So, this is John Brennan, who is in that homeland security advisor - we had been hearing the news reports, but the president likes to rely on
And so, John had talked to local officials, FBI, and this is when he came in the Oval Office and confirmed that 26 people had been killed, including
20 first graders.
And I think you see his body language there. My interpretation is he's reacting maybe even more as a fellow parent than he was as the president.
GORANI: You could tell he was deeply affected.
SOUZA: Yes. I mean, imagining the horror of being a parent and sending your six-year-old kid off to school, and you never see them again because
some madman basically executed them.
GORANI: And speaking of kids, the pictures with children are some of people's favorites. I know in the newsroom, whenever we look through your
book, and we saw especially the one on the back cover, a little boy touching president Obama's hair, you have hair like mine essentially, I
mean, here's a man who looks like a grown-up version of me who's the most powerful man in the world.
SOUZA: That's it right there. I mean, this is a four-year-old kid, Jacob, Philadelphia. And that's exactly - that he's touching the head of the
president of the United States who looks like him.
And I think it resonated with a lot of people because of that, but also it tells you something about President Obama that, at the behest of a four-
year-old, he would bend over and let this little kid touch his head.
GORANI: And then, there is the Barack Obama and Michelle Obama kind of love story that unfolds over eight years as well.
The night of the first inauguration is one of the photos I remember most clearly. I'm not sure why, when they're in the elevator and she's wearing
a jacket and they kind of touch foreheads.
SOUZA: Yes. So, it's in a freight elevator and they're going from one inaugural ball to another at the convention center. And you can tell it's
cold because he's put his jacket over her shoulders and then they are sharing this semi-private moment - I say semi private because you see the
staff and the Secret Service in the background, trying not to look and intrude on their little moment.
[15:55:07] GORANI: How did you do that? How did you not intrude while also documenting?
SOUZA: I don't know. I think I just had a knack for being unobtrusive. Just the way I moved around and try and use a quiet camera or not using a
flash, not using a motor drive.
I think, over time, people just were accustomed to me being in the room.
GORANI: And the foreword, President Obama says, you captured a moment, but more importantly you captured a mood, you captured the atmosphere, which I
think is - when you look at these photos, that's probably what people pick up on the most, especially pictures like this where you see - you know the
back story, you know he just heard dreadful news and there's something hanging in the air there that comes through in your picture.
SOUZA: I mean, I think this is my training as a photojournalist even though someone would argue that as the White House photographer, you're not
a photojournalist, which is true, but I don't take pictures any differently in that circumstance.
And I think because of my background, I was always trying to capture the accurate and authentic mood of what was taking place.
GORANI: I want to ask you also about the sense of humor of the president. When President Obama placed his foot on the scale as one of his staff
weighed himself, how much of a sense of humor did the president have?
SOUZA: Oh, he had a great sense of humor. And maybe that's the one thing that people didn't see as much of. He had a great sense of humor. He
loved doing little pranks like that.
And, yes, I think that's - like I said, I think that's one thing that maybe the public did not see, is his great sense of humor.
GORANI: You have an Instagram account with 1.7 million followers. A lot of people follow you. A lot of people also follow you because they miss
the days of President Obama.
And some people are saying, and I think it's fair to say, that you sometimes will post a picture based on the news coming out of the current
White House to kind of illustrate a positive against what you would perceive as a negative coming from the Trump White House?
Are you trolling President Trump?
SOUZA: I'll say this. it is that, I think what I do on Instagram is a lot more respectful than what some people do on Twitter. I think I'm subtle
and playful at times and people will read into it what they want.
GORANI: Pete Souza, the former chief White House photographer, speaking to me about his new book.
Thanks for watching. I'm Hala Gorani. Stay with CNN. "Quest Means Business" is next.