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Felon Now Wanted by Authorities; Police Handcuffed Wrong Person. Aired 6-8p ET

Aired December 13, 2017 - 18:00   ET

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[18:00:00] ASHLEY BANFIELD, HOST, CNN: Hi, everybody. It is 6 o`clock Eastern. And here are your headlines.

Alabama has their first democratic senator in over 25 years. Doug Jones defeating Roy Moore in a major upset last night, following a firestorm of

accusations from multiple different women that he sexually assaulted them as teenagers.

After the election was called, Moore ever defiant refused to concede. We`re still waiting.

In the meantime, New York Times editorial from actress Selma Hayek detailed a shocking account involving Harvey Weinstein and demands that he

apparently made during the filming of one of her major movies. The buxom beauty is known for her curves. But according to Hayek he wanted more than

just the curves, he insisted on full frontal nudity, she says. She also say he even threatened to kill her.

One of the most famous of the Trump administration no longer there. Omarosa has left the house, the White House. There`s no word on why she is going

but Omarosa Manigault Newman once famously fired from "The Apprentice" is now walking out of a White House at the time when most of her colleagues

are busy lawyering up.

And in a separate escape. Firefighters in Roseville, Illinois released this video of a dog being rescued from an icy lake. That is chewy, folks, and

that chewy being pulled to safety after a struggle in frigid waters. And just so you know the kayak there served as backup.

We`re going to start tonight with a hunt. Because the official hunt is on for a wanted felon on the run. Thirty-three-year-old Louis Jakab, a

criminal with a laundry list of offenses and a wrap sheep that includes manslaughter but what makes him different than any other fleeing felon?

It is believed that he`s got a 14-year-old girl with him and it`s believed that 14-year-old girl is pregnant with his baby. Even more disturbing, she

is his cousin. Police say Annalys Clay is in grave danger tonight and they are appealing right across the country for help in finding her.

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BILL BOLDIN, DEPUTY U.S. MARSHAL, UNITED STATES MARSHALS SERVICE: He was already wanted by eight different jurisdictions for a variety of other

crimes. Louis Jakab is the mother`s first cousin, he is a convicted felon, he`s on parole, and we also believe that he is involved in a physical

relationship with the girl, that she is known to be pregnant and he is believed to be the father.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Investigators were saying that Jakab was last seen with Annalys in a 2017 black Audi A3, apparently it has stolen Ohio plate. But just in

case they read HED 3844, HED 3844.

With me now Jeanne Destro, she is the morning news anchor for WAA -- WAKR radio in Akron, Ohio. What is the connection, how on earth did a cousin end

up being on the run with a junior about two decades younger than him and reportedly pregnant with his baby?

JEANNE DESTRO, MORNING NEWS ANCHOR, WAKR RADIO: Well, the way that we understand it what police have said is actually there is a discrepancy as

to how it all began. Originally, we were told that the mother said that she was driving down the highway in the car with the girl, and the girl

actually (Inaudible) and force to be pulled off on the side of the highway and then this car in which they were riding, she got into that car and took

off. That`s the way it originally was said.

But then they were throwing the chips a bit that it didn`t actually happened somewhere else. They didn`t know how exactly how that happened.

And then to say now the girl is off with her older cousin.

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: So they seemed to be driving, Jeanne, in a pretty fancy car, that`s an Audi, is that a stolen car as well as stolen plates?

DESTRO: Police have told us that, they just said that it`s an Audi A3 and the plates are stolen.

BANFIELD: OK.

DESTRO: I mean, originally, they were supposed to be in a silver Cadillac so that story has kind of change field. But in any case, the official story

now is that they are in an Audi and the plates are stolen.

BANFIELD: So right now do we have any idea, any trace of them, any video, any sightings, any reports, any witnesses, do we have any leads at all on

where that 14-year-old girl is?

DESTRO: Right now we have not been told that there has been. The last we got was information from the U.S. Marshalls Office which is that is that

they`re on the hunt now, and they said the last time she was seen was on December 4th in Strongsville, Ohio, which is between Akron and Cleveland

(Inaudible) where that is.

And at that time they were seen heading off in this car, and they believe that they`re out of state by now. As for where exactly they might be, we

don`t know which is obviously why (Inaudible).

[18:05:05] BANFIELD: What she means is, we`re showing you Ohio, but police are saying they could be anywhere by now. They could be clear across the

country and this program airs across the country so keep your eyes out.

And by the way, if you`re wondering why we have so many pictures of this fella it`s because he`s had to pose for a lot of mug shots. And the reason

he has to pose for a lot of mug shows is that he`s felony warrants eight different jurisdictions and he`s got an unbelievable rap sheet that is kind

of like the gift that keeps on giving when you work in a visual medium.

Let me just start with the warrants, shall we. Let`s do the list. Robbery, theft, fraud, passing bad checks, receiving stolen property, and then the

big cocoon (Ph) off the top would be interference with the custody. What you`re seeing now scrolling by is his criminal history.

And look, a lot of them are repetitive. Let me give you the highlights or the low lights depending on how you look at it. He`s got theft, he`s got

involuntary manslaughter. He also got stolen property, arson, breaking in to falsification, burglary, a couple more thefts, obstructing justice,

escape.

And then you know what? There`s a whole bunch of them that he`s either pleading to that are repetitive or that are still pending.

So this is a fella who is no stranger to the law. Not the good side of the law, and the 14-year-old with him is reportedly pregnant with his baby.

Fourteen, and his cousin.

With me now, senior inspector Bill Boldin. He is the sex offender investigations coordinator for the U.S. Marshals Service. So, inspector,

two of your roles are key here. Number one, that you`re with the U.S. Marshalls.

Because my thought is that the marshals are playing an active role in trying to track this man and find this poor girl, but also that you`re --

you know, in the sex offender investigations, she is 14 and pregnant reportedly, which means this is an offense, a sexual offense as well.

BOLDIN: Yes, we`re still trying to determine everything that lead up to this. Because there was no sex offense reported to any police department

that we`re aware of. The first time that we became aware of this is when the Akron Police Department basically requested our help in finding the

missing girl and the fugitive cousin who had already had a number of warrants.

BANFIELD: So I think what you`re eluding to and we`re going to have to read between some lines here, inspector, is that while pregnant, nobody said

anything to any authorities about who might have gotten her pregnant.

And I can only give you some insight here from a youth minister leader named Mikey Weston who calls this 14-year-old Annalys Clay vulnerable and

he gives the reason why. Have a listen.

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MIKEY WESTON, YOUTH MINISTRY LEADER: Amazing and very outgoing. You know? But at the same time, she is vulnerable. You know, she was -- she was

looking for happiness in the wrong places.

When I see who she`s with, and the reputation behind that, you know you got me running scared. She is really vulnerable because she didn`t have a good

home life, and I think someone came along and promised her paradise.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Inspector, it hasn`t been long that she has been on the run with this man, with her cousin, you know, reportedly the father of her baby.

Where do you go from here? Because as I see this, it`s two parallel investigations that merge. One is the potential of a sexual offense. Number

two is, she is gone and we have to find her because she`s in danger.

BOLDIN: Yes. The number one priority for us for the Marshal Service at this point is finding her. Our number two priority is of course finding him.

Once we can do that then we can work with the appropriate local authorities to determine all of the events that led up to this.

But at this point in time the single most important thing is trying to find her.

BANFIELD: Any trace so far? Any leads? Any videos? I asked Jeanne Destro, the reporter, but you`re on the frontline.

BOLDIN: Yes, at this point we were, you know, we got started on this late because of how the incident was initially reported. When the incident was

initially reported, it came in to the Akron Police Department as having occurred in Akron.

It was handled as a routine run away. It wasn`t until the police department started looking into it and other facts came up that it, you know, it

appeared that it didn`t occur quite the way the mother reported and it was at that time they asked us to get involved to try to find her and to try to

find him.

[18:09:56] BANFIELD: So mom told...

(CROSSTALK)

BOLDIN: That led up...

BANFIELD: Mom told you a whopper of a lie, and then threw you off of the scent that you should have been on. In about 50 minutes, we`re going to

tell you a big bomb shell about mom, so make sure you come back.

Because mom plays an integral role in what you`re seeing on your screen right now and what the good inspector is struggling against.

Again, coming up at the top of the hour. You`re going to find out something that has happened just in the last few hours with mom. But in the meantime,

inspector, do you think you`re getting close. Do you have any whiff of at least what state she might be near?

BOLDIN: Well, the reason that we`re so appreciative of what you`re doing with the story is unfortunately, we don`t have anything. Since we`ve

started on this case the only thing that we have been able to find is video of the mother, and our suspected vehicle in Strongsville, Ohio which is a

suburbs of Cleveland in the early morning or late night hours of December 3rd going into December 4th.

Since that time all of our efforts have been unsuccessful in trying to locate either one of them or location or develop any information on where

they went after December 4th.

BANFIELD: And just to be real quick about the original story, it was though she was having some fight with Annalys in the car. Surprise, surprise of

all coincidences shows up decide them in, takes the girl and run and it didn`t quite happen that way.

And days later, as I understand, four days later a whole other story comes from mom and that is that Annalys as well as Louis and mom are all in a car

together, and go to a gas station. Mom goes in to get a couple of packs of smoke and when she comes out, poof her daughter and her daughter`s cousin,

a.k.a. daddy, of the unborn baby, are gone.

Is there anything more to that story or are there any other stories that mom has now told?

BOLDIN: That is the report of what occurred that we are working off of at this time. If it`s still unknown to us if that is completely accurate

version of the events, but that is the best report that we have at this time and in our opinion the most likely scenario and that is where we start

our investigation.

BANFIELD: Inspector, don`t go anywhere. I want to bring in Art Roderick, he`s the former assistant director for the U.S. Marshals and a CNN law

enforcement analyst. You`ve also still got your connections, you`ve been making a bunch of calls.

This guy is of particular concern because he is clever. He knows what he`s doing and he knows how to stay on the run, how do you know that?

ART RODERICK, LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST, CNN: Well, I mean, when you look at his criminal history this is what this guy does. He`s a predator and you

got a victim here. A 14-year-old young girl who, very possibly might have some behavioral issues when you listen to the youth minister. I think he

put the nail right on it when he said that, you know, that she was vulnerable.

And he saw that as the criminal that he is, especially dealing with the fraud charges that he has, the burglary charges, the passing of bad checks,

you know, the litany of criminal charges he has is as quite extensive and he`s used to picking out victims. And that`s exactly what he did in this

particular case. And I think...

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BANFIELD: Let`s roll the criminal history.

RODERICK: Yes.

BANFIELD: While you say that let`s just roll it again just so we can all refresh as to what this guy has in his background and what he`s been able

to do before. Hasn`t obviously been the greatest criminal, but he certainly got a lot of practice.

RODERICK: Right.

BANFIELD: You know, Art, I always ask this question and I`m never satisfied with the answer. With a rap sheet like this, it just keeps going, it just

keeps on going.

RODERICK: Yes.

BANFIELD: How is someone like this out on the street?

RODERICK: Well, I mean, he has spent most of his adult life behind bars. So, you know, eventually one of those charges come up for parole. You know,

we do have the system that we have. A lot of these jails are full and, you know, they let them out on parole.

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: But one of them is manslaughter.

RODERICK: Yes.

BANFIELD: Like one of them is involuntary manslaughter.

RODERICK: Yes, I agree.

BANFIELD: So it`s not like all b and e`s and all the rest the jails are full. I get that. But this guy has got manslaughter.

RODERICK: I agree.

BANFIELD: And by the way, he plead. It wasn`t like I didn`t do it, I just, you know, the jury just thought I did.

RODERICK: Right.

BANFIELD: He plead to it, so he is a bad guy.

RODERICK: Yes.

BANFIELD: And he is out there with a 14-year-old girl.

RODERICK: Yes, I mean, this is the worst, you know, this is the perfect storm for a predator and a victim. And that`s exactly what you have here.

And I think when you look back at how this all started, I mean, I believe she was sent to a relative`s house due to some behavior issues that she

had. You know, they are already...

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: And where she met him.

RODERICK: Right.

BANFIELD: That`s how they connected.

RODERICK: Exactly.

BANFIELD: So it`s a great job there in terms of parenting.

Real quickly. I want to bring in Brian Claypool. He`s a defense attorney. I got 30 seconds left but I just need you to run down what this felon is

facing now. What we might be able to add to that rap sheet if they catch him, Brian.

[18:15:01] BRIAN CLAYPOOL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Ashleigh, I think if they can prove that she is pregnant with his child you`ve got statutory

rape and then also you`ve got a big issue of whether kidnapping as well.

So if he took her against her will he`s crossing state lines, he`s looking at federal kidnapping charges as well.

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: That`s the Mann Act, isn`t it?

CLAYPOOL: Yes, absolutely.

BANFIELD: Mann Act - taking someone across the state.

CLAYPOOL: Right.

BANFIELD: And if they can prove that there was any monkey business then that`s the Mann Act.

CLAYPOOL: Right.

BANFIELD: So, well, good luck to everybody on that. Like I said, everybody hold tight. Because coming up, at the top of the hour about 45 minutes from

now, a bomb shell about this mother. A mother whose daughter is 14 and pregnant by her cousin, and out on the run with him now, and you`re about

to find out exactly what the authorities think of her, and what she told them. And now what it means for her in this enire mess.

In the meantime, we`re continuing the watch for her. So if you have seen her, if you have seen him, Louis Jakab, call your local police right away.

She is in danger.

Another young girl to tell you about tonight. Innocently steps out the back door of her home like we all do, and immediately has a gun pointed at her

like we all don`t. She was the victim, certainly, but she had nothing to do with any crime. She was at the other end of a police officer service

weapon.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Walk backwards to me, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It does matter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Right there, right there, right there, OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come back here and put your right hand behind your back.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re fine. You`re fine.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, no.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Those are the cries of an 11-year-old. An 11-year-old, and the horrors didn`t stop there for her she wound up cuffed and stuffed in the

back of a cruiser without her mom. Tonight the moment in that tape the police chief said even made him sick. That`s next.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come back here and put your right hand behind your back.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

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BANFIELD: You know, 11-year-olds are a funny bunch. Sometimes they bury their heads in their phones at breakfast, sometimes they will talk your ear

off, but rarely do they cry out and scream because they`re being cuffed and thrown in the back of a police cruiser after somebody else committed a

crime.

But that`s what happened to Honestie Hodges in Grand Rapids, Michigan. While police were looking for a suspect in an attempted homicide. When that

little elementary-schooler there on your screen left her home out the back door to go to the store, this is what she walked into.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s you. OK, put your hands on top. Hold on, hold on. Hold on. Turn around.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s my child.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re going to walk towards me, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It does matter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, Right there, right there, right there. OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come right back here, put your right hand behind your back.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re fine, you`re fine.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, no. No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re not going to jail or anything.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Quit yelling.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: That is without question something a parent never wants to see. Certainly to your own child, you don`t want to see it to other kids

especially when those kids are innocent. And all Honesty`s mom could do was stand by and watch this play out.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HONESTIE HODGES, HANDCUFFED AT GUNPOINT: When my mom was walking past, I was putting my hands doing a little bustling in on the windows screaming

please don`t let them take me.

WHITNEY HODGES, HONESTIE HODGES` MOTHER: The whole time they`re telling her to calm down, I`m telling them she`s 11 years old, that`s my daughter,

don`t cuff her.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Police were looking for this woman, Honestie`s aunt. And Honestie`s aunt was suspected of stabbing another family member nearly. She

was in fact arrested at another house. But that 11-year-old girl was handcuffed and detained without her mom and she was kept in that cruiser

for 10 minutes before the officers let her go.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

H. HODGES: I`m afraid to open or go nearby back door.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why is that?

H. HODGES: Because of what happened.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How did it make you feel?

H. HODGES: It made me feel scared and it made me feel like I did something wrong. First I wanted to be a detect -- no, a police officer, but now I

don`t want anything to do with those kinds of things.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: With me now is Primetime Justice producer Michael Christian. Michael, the story here just doesn`t seem like it could have happened and

yet it did happen. Something happened at another house, and yet, they showed up at this house because there`s a family connection, and an 11-

year-old is, you know, is treated like this. How are the police reacting?

MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, PRODUCER, PRIMETIME JUSTICE: They are chagrinned I think is a fair word. They have been very above board. They held a press

conference this week. They showed the video, the police chief told reporters that he was physically nauseous when he saw this.

It`s part of police work. They had permission to search this home, but I can tell you, Ashleigh, I`m not 11 years old and this would have scared the

hell out of me. So you can only imagine how it would have affected a child.

BANFIELD: I have a 10-year-old, I have a 12-year-old and I cannot imagine them even being even as brave as Honestie is being. I mean, I hear her

crying and screaming, but, my God, I can`t imagine my own kids, you know.

This person in elementary school, let`s not forget it, elementary school.

So the question I have is what happened next? Like did they realize right away we`ve got the wrong person? And did they just sort of let her go and

then move on about their business? So what exactly transpired?

CHRISTIAN: They took her into custody. I don`t know if she was ever officially in custody but clearly she was detained, she came down the

stairs, she was cuffed, she was put into the back of a police cruiser, and she and two other women including her mother were all detained for

approximately 10 minutes and then they were let go.

[18:25:07] They did not find the person that police were looking at this home, as you said they found her later somewhere else. But 10 minutes,

again, when you`re 11 years old, that is an eternity.

BANFIELD: Yes. Is it ever? Don`t go anywhere, Michael. I probably have a few more questions for you. But I do want to bring in Brandon Tatum, if I

can. He is a former police officer. He`s also a spokesperson for Conservative Tribune.com.

Brandon, thanks for joining me. Obviously, you know, so many questions here that the police admitted in full transparency that they felt terrible about

this.

In fact, because I ask you my question I want you to hear the police chief, David Rahinsky, at a press conference with reporters where he fully showed

that video, the worst parts of it right before the questions and answers and here is how he reacted. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When you first saw that and heard those screams, what was your reaction?

DAVID RAHINSKY, POLICE CHIEF, GRAND RAPIDS POLICE DEPARTMENT: Instinctive. Literally, physical. I mean, listening to the 11-year-old`s response makes

my stomach turn. I don`t think there is a member of this department who is not going to watch that and question what do...

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You say that but there were officers there that continue to conduct the way they did while she is screaming.

RAHINSKY: Well, we`re trying to and I can recognize this. There is a difference, a significant difference between being in the heat of the

moment when you`re dealing with the unknown.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Brandon, the information that came out of that press conference was fascinating. I actually hadn`t thought of this one scenario and that

sometimes bad guys who have a weapon stash the weapon on a kid. And that they assume no one will search the kid. And officers know that as they go

into a scene.

But the bad guy wasn`t there, it was a bad lady and she was at a different location. Can you sort of wrap your arms around what the police were doing

and how they prosecuted this case and whether they`re in a whole lot of trouble?

BRANDON TATUM, FORMER POLICE OFFICER: We`ll start with the police chief. I really do, I have lost all respect for the police chief because I feel like

he was being fake. I do understand that he should have held a press conference, he should have addressed the media, but for him to lie and say

that he was nauseous from seeing that video is just a lie.

BANFIELD: Why do you think, that`s a lie? I mean, can`t he -- I mean, I don`t know if he`s a dad but can`t we all feel a little sick that this

innocent little 11-year-old girl went through this.

TATUM: Yes, for a person that has never been a police officer a day in their life, I can understand these were experience, but as a person, as a

police chief, what makes people nauseous that are police officer are dead people that have been shot in the head. Police officers that are dying and

rushing into the hospital. That`s what makes police officers nauseous.

I do believe that they should address their protocol, but at the same time, we, a lot of times look at things in hindsight. I wish that we had the

ability to know before we got to the house that the suspect was not there, before we got to the house that this young lady was 11 years old and she

was harmless.

I wish that we knew that the parents didn`t stash the murder weapon or the attempted murder weapon on that young juvenile. I wish we knew all of those

things. If they did I think they would have addressed it a little differently.

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: So let me be super clear, Brandon. Let me really, really clear, nobody stashed a weapon on Honestie Hodges, her mom did not have anything

to do with it. Her aunt at another location apparently is facing some trouble right now for an attempted homicide, a stabbing.

But it didn`t have anything to do with Honestie, it didn`t have anything to do with her mom. And I got say I`m looking at a picture of her aunt who is

white lady, and Honestie is a black girl. I can`t see how they would have thought for a moment maybe that`s the perp.

(CROSSTALK)

TATUM: Yes, they don`t...

BANFIELD: Maybe they thought that the young girl might have gin in that scenario where up her put a stash a weapon on her, but all of this were

unknowns.

TATUM: Yes, yes. All unknown. Honestly, trust me when I say this, I wish we would have known that the perp wasn`t there we would have wasted our time.

The police officers would not waste their time going there or searching or doing any of this.

But they don`t know if the suspect is there, they don`t know these people. And I wish that we could say that juveniles would never be put in a

position to carry illegal guns, illegal weapons, or crack or stuff that`s valuable to investigating a crime.

I have seen it numerous times where parents are doing that to these young kids and we have to take protocols and task seriously and we have to do

them consistently. I do...

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: So let me ask you, Brandon. You know, the job that I`m in, I`m usually on the other side of the coin, I`m usually speaking to someone who

says, you know, police have targeted African-Americans and this has to change.

And yet, this police officer comes forward and is very, very transparent about everything saying we have to look at our protocols, we have to do

better, this is a child of our community. This is our child, he says, but I have a former black police officer and spokesperson saying that officer is

crazy.

[18:30:00] And it`s almost -- so I`m not sure what police officers have to say these days in order to come out and explain all of the smoke and fog

that happened in policing.

TATUM: There`s no smoke and fog in this. This is very blatant --

BANFIELD: Oh, sir, no, no. You just said there is. There is a ton of smoke and fog because you come into these (INAUDIBLE) tell you, you`re a cop. You

come into these things with a lot of unknowns, and that`s a lot of fog. So that`s what I`m referring to.

TATUM: In that sense, yes. I mean, I wish that we had a clear view and we know everything and we could tell the future but we cannot. I really will

respect if he would tell the truth and say hey, this does not look good.

I know that people have an emotional feeling when they see an 11-year-old screaming like that. It hurts their feelings and I understand that. And I

believe that the officers were doing protocol and it was appropriate. Until they found out that she had nothing to do with it (INAUDIBLE). They could

let her go and it would be fine.

BANFIELD: Can I ask you something? Are you a dad? Brandon, are you a dad?

TATUM: Yes, I am a dad.

BANFIELD: OK, so, I know you said that you think this police chief is lying. When you say he is nauseous. Police officers get nauseous when they

see other dead police officers and victims of gruesome homicides, et cetera.

But didn`t you feel a little nauseous for this innocent little 11-year-old girl? She is cute as a button and she had nothing to do with any this.

TATUM: Yes, no, I didn`t feel nauseous at all. I really wish that her family members didn`t put them in a position where the police would come to

their house. I feel bad for her. That`s not her fault. That`s her parents fault. That`s everybody else`s fault. They`re stabbing other people and

living in her residence. The police officers --

BANFIELD: No, no. Her parents didn`t have anything to do with that. It was her aunt at a different location.

TATUM: Her family member who either lives with them or family member who was known to that address stabbed another person and is wanted for

attempted murder. That person was allowed to stay there with that young lady. The mother knows the lady. And that`s why the police responded to her

house.

BANFIELD: I can`t be certain about that fact. I just want to be really clear. I can`t be certain that that aunt who was wanted lived there.

TATUM: Police business works. You don`t just show up at a person`s house for no reason. You have great information --

BANFIELD: They got her at another house.

TATUM: Yes, I mean -- so the suspect goes to the other house, that they won`t be looking for her at. We ended up finding her. The police ended up

finding her. But I really do honestly believe that it is unfortunate.

I have had to handcuff children before. I have had to do things in a similar manner. I have rarely seen a young child act that way. But I can

understand her frustration. I really do wish that things could have been different and done differently on the part of the parent and the lady who

stabbed another person.

I really wish that her parents would take this opportunity and talk to her and say the police are not the bad people. They were looking for your aunt

who is a criminal, and this happened. The police can go and evaluate tactics and say, well, you know, next time we have an 11-year-old, maybe we

can do things a little differently.

But to blame the police conclusively and to say that you`re nauseous because a young lady got handcuffed, she didn`t get hurt, she didn`t

harassed, they weren`t mean to her. For the chief to come out and say he is nauseous, he is just playing politics. That police chief is not nauseous.

BANFIELD: There is one thing we can agree on. There are a lot of politics when it comes to policing across America now. Brandon, I got to leave it

there. I sure did love having you on and I hope you will join me again some time.

TATUM: Any time, thank you so much.

BANFIELD: Thank you. Brandon Tatum joining me. My thanks to Heather Walker (ph) as well.

A man accused of trying to stab someone with a pair of scissors claims that his wife told him to do it. Here`s the really strange part. This guy

reportedly told police that he was married to Taylor Swift.

His name is Brent Shannon Thicksten. He is -- let`s be honest here, he is definitely not married to Taylor Swift. I don`t think she has ever seen

this fella before. According to the police, Thicksten was acting menacing in a downtown Portland area Sunday morning. He chased a man, threatening

him with scissors.

The officers say that the guy did wound up with a small cut, but he wasn`t hurt seriously. As far as serious goes though, this man in the mug shot,

Mr. Thicksten, his charges are serious. Not only is he facing assault and weapons and trespassing, but he is also facing menacing charges. And he has

got one hell of a mug shot.

A high school senior goes missing, never showing up for a concert that she herself organized. But she was found inside her home, a home that had

burned the night she disappeared. Why police fear someone might have killed this 17-year-old, but why they`re saying none of us has to be worried?

[18:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: In a small town of Bailey, Colorado there is a sprawling mansion like home called Longs Ranch. It looks like a mountain retreat if you drive

by. A nice iron gate out front. A kind of place you might see on Lifestyle for the rich and famous.

But this home may just end up instead on "Forensic Files." Because what happened inside that luxury, may only be revealed by the clues among the

charred remains, and that`s where the burned body of 17-year-old Maggie Long was reportedly found after she had been reported missing.

The family home now boarded up and now the scene of a possible crime. Maggie was a popular and active student at her high school. The last she

was seen or heard, she left school right before a Friday night concert was set to begin. She was supposed to be helping to organize. But Maggie was

never seen again.

At least she was not seen again alive. Her car was found at that remote, beautiful house. And now we know her body was found there, too. In was

inside the burned rubble. That happened after someone apparently set fire to the home the very

[18:40:00] same day that Maggie went missing. The officials say that arson and homicide are both suspected here, but here is the really, really,

really weird part. Police are insisting that there is no threat to any of us. No one should worry. No problem for the safety of this small town. That

is something that a few people are having a really tough time wrapping their heads around.

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BRYCE BARNES, BAILEY RESIDENT: It`s just kind of freaky because like I said from the beginning, they said that there was no imminent threat inside the

community. And now they figured out there might be.

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BANFIELD: With me is Randy Corporon. He is a host for 710 KNUS in Denver. Randy, why should no one be worried when a 17-year-old girl`s body was

found charred likely inside that home, and we don`t know much else other than that? I`m sorry, but I think I would be scared.

RANDY CORPORON, HOST, 710 KNUS (via telephone): I would be little nervous relying on that statement from the police, especially when just about a

week ago, they say they accidentally issued a bolo beyond the lookout for a possible suspect in Maggie`s death, and they mentioned that that individual

may have had flash burns.

BANFIELD: Yes. You know, there is something else on that -- I like when you say the bolo, the be on the lookout. Apparently, that bolo, and you have to

correct me if I am wrong anywhere here, Randy, but as we learned that beyond the lookout, went over a radio accidentally, it was supposed to go

out within the department maybe or within among, you know, law enforcement, but not, you know out to us.

And they had to sort of walk back a lot of that stuff. And in that, we asked the undersheriff working the case if it was true that the

investigators thought that gasoline was taken from the home. They said they are not sure, that they can tell us that is true.

But then what about this report that there was a large case, an AK-47, 2,000 rounds of ammunition for 7.62 and a 9-mm Beretta, and the

undersheriff said, yes, that was inadvertently released and the bolo. That is starting to make this look a little more sinister, as if it weren`t

already sinister enough. Do you anything more about that?

CORPORON (via telephone): That has been able to determine another fact. In fact, the judge in this case, a judge surrounding this case, issued a gag

order. So, no one can really talk about anything. And a lot if not most of our information is coming from a Facebook page that was put up in the

community called "Justice for Maggie Long."

BANFIELD: You know what else, Randy? We asked some really simple questions of the undersheriff and listen, I get it, they can`t always tell us

everything, they work on a case, and we can be meddlesome. But when we asked the simple question like, when was Maggie`s body found?

You know, she went missing on Friday. The fire was set that night. She has been missing for days. And six days later, we find out they found her

burned body in the home. And they can`t say. They won`t say when -- they won`t say when they found -- they won`t even tell us if they think she was

killed in the home, like died in the fire, like they`re literally keeping wraps on everything.

CORPORON (via telephone): And the suspicion grows when you understand and suspicion of danger grows when you understand that a multijurisdictional

task force, federal state local law enforcement apparently has been formed to pursue justice in this case. So there is a lot more than meets the eye,

and I hope it turns out there is an excellent reason that the community can`t know more right now.

BANFIELD: I hear you. Randy, do you know anything about this 911 call that we hear? It came in apparently. I will go over the time line in a second,

but this is critical part of it. The 911 call comes in about 6:00 at night, on that Friday night that she went missing, she wasn`t seen after school.

And it comes into the dispatch from what is believed to be a renter in the attic above the kitchen. This is what some of the local reports are saying.

And the 911 dispatcher hears people arguing, throwing things around, trying to set the house on fire.

These are not dispatch records. This is local news. And the authorities are saying, sorry, we don`t know where you got that. Do we know anything more

about it?

CORPORON (via telephone): Not another thing, Ashleigh.

BANFIELD: Man, that is crazy. Why would you need a renter if you got enough money for a mansion like that? This thing looks like, you know, it looks

like a massive estate. It looks like one of those head-turner like ranches. Is there something the pictures are not telling me or is it that beautiful?

CORPORON (via telephone): You know, it is just too dangerous to speculate about something like this. I think viewers can draw their own conclusions

when they see this amazing estate. And all of the activity that has gone on around it with federal state and local authorities.

And yet this complete lack of information that lets us know entirely what is going on. And I just hope that they need to silence in order to flush

out a suspect and eventually let us know exactly what happened.

BANFIELD: Any info on the family? I have not heard a word about her family. Do you know anything?

CORPORON (via telephone): I don`t.

[18:45:00] BANFIELD: Wow! This is really --

CORPORON (via telephone): Mum is the word.

BANFIELD: Go ahead.

CORPORON (via telephone): I just said mum is the word.

BANFIELD: Mum is the word. It is really crazy. You would think that some neighbors would say, mom and dad were distraught or, you know, something,

but we`re just hearing so little. I want to just do this timeline real quick and then bring in Art Roderick on it. So work with me here.

About 3:30 on December first, that`s a Friday, she goes home to make hot dogs because she is supposed to bring the hot dogs for the concession stand

at the concert, at the school that night. She is an organizer. She apparently would have arrived home about a half hour later, like about 4:00

o`clock.

But at 6:00 o`clock is when that 911 call comes in, possibly from inside of the home. Maybe placed by this so-called renter that has been reported in

this space above the home. There are reports of people arguing and throwing things around. No arrests, no suspects, but the strange beyond the lookout

goes out suggesting that they are looking for an individual who may have flash burns.

That is critical. I want to bring in Art Roderick on that. Does that help you with anything? I mean, yes, there is a fire. If they think there is

arson, sure, a suspect might have flash burns. But they`re crazy that that even went out accidentally. Why are they being to tight lipped?

ART RODERICK, FORMER ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, U.S. MARSHALS: Yes. There is a couple things here, Ashleigh. You hit on a couple major points here. Number

one, the whole issue of the gag order leads me to believe that they probably have some idea of how this crime was committed or who even might

have committed it.

You know, you heard these gag orders before. Usually gag orders are issued by a judge in very high-profile cases. Usually there is a request from

either the defense or the prosecution in order to put this gag order on. So, and also the issue, the second issue being that there is no public

safety issue here.

Usually law enforcement if there was a public safety issue, they would be the first to come out and say, hey, look for this individual, look for that

individual, there is a threat to the public, there is a threat --

BANFIELD: Yes.

RODERICK: -- to society out there. And we have that -- when you put that together with this gag order being issued, there is a very good possibility

there tracking exactly what happened, based on their timeline through the end here. And we also know that a lot of times, arson is committed in order

to cover up a homicide or any type of crime.

BANFIELD: I have to leave it there, but I want you to stick around.

RODERICK: Yes.

BANFIELD: This video. Three men facing charges in connection with this viral video of a shark being dragged behind a speeding boat. It is hard to

watch. In the video, you can clearly see that shark whipping back and forth, bouncing along the top of the water near the Tampa.

Prosecutors say it happened in July. And it took them four months of investigating. But they say they think they got the men that they wanted,

the three men on that boat. Michael Wenzel, Robert Benac, and Spencer Heintz have all been charged with felony aggravated animal cruelty.

Wenzel and Benac also faced charges of illegally taking a shark. The jail records do not list attorneys for the men, so we could not reach out to get

comment from them.

911 is called after police say a driver is found passed out in his car at a gas station, but what happens when he wakes up puts the first responders

lives in imminent danger. The length the police went to to catch this alleged drunk driver simply jaw dropping. I bet you`re going to see him.

[18:50:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: It`s holiday season. It is the time most people express gratitude for the little things and for the big ones, too. But gratitude was

certainly the last thing that came from a driver who police say had one too many and then passed out in a running car at a gas station.

The bystanders, now, they did the right thing and they called for help. And when the firefighters and EMS came to the rescue and woke the guy up, he

reportedly went ballistic. Surveillance video shows him backing up his red grand am, suspected as a drunk driver, he slams into the firefighter and

the EMS worker, as he hits that emergency vehicle, too.

Then this happened. Takes off with the driver`s side wide open, tearing out of the gas station. It looked like he hit other cars. Then this happened.

They tried that PIT maneuver, you know, that PIT maneuver where you try to stop them from, you know, this wild chase. Actually, the PIT maneuver -- I

love this -- pursuit intervention technique, usually it works.

But this driver managed to stay on the wheel, even managed to flip him the bird, too. It was crazy. Look at this. He gets around, he comes back, and

flips the bird. I don`t know if you can see it with, but he did it. Chases don`t end up well for perps, usually, and this grand am ended up blowing

past some stop sticks and that blew out his tires.

And with what appears to be another attempt to stop the car, the car spins out of control. Watch this, it`s very satisfying. Trust me. Yikes. There he

goes, bump, bump. That`s Brian Cremeans, everybody, in the (INAUDIBLE) lights and getting in the last word, he flips another double bird to the

deputies.

Hello, Brian Cremeans, in full color. Look at you. You`ve been charged with operating while intoxicated, felonious assault, fleeing arrest, and a few

other things for good measure. And lucky for you, the firefighter and the EMS worker who were hit only suffered minor injuries and they were

released.

Brian Claypool, I don`t like people like that, especially at Christmas time. He`s in for some trouble, isn`t he?

BRIAN CLAYPOOL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Ashleigh, I don`t know what`s worse, representing this guy in a criminal case or getting a big lump of coal in

your stocking at Christmas time. I mean, I`ve been banging my head

[18:55:00] against the wall trying to come up with a defense for this guy, but --

BANFIELD: And it`s all on video. I love me some video.

CLAYPOOL: Tell me about it.

BANFIELD: You know what I don`t loves me? I don`t loves me cars like this and traffic. Traffic drives me crazy. But what are actually the best and

the worst cities for driving? I`ve got that for you. It`s our "One More Thing" and it`s coming up next.

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BANFIELD: One more thing tonight. We all complain about traffic at some point, right? But drivers in some cities

[19:00:00] have a whole lot less to grumble about, because according to Waze, the best cities for driving are Greensboro, North Carolina;

Lexington, Kentucky; and Dayton, Ohio. And the worst, Honolulu; Jacksonville, Florida; and San Diego.

Waze, my favorite app, took a look at a combination of safety factors and traffic and road quality. So, there you go.

The next hour of Crime & Justice starts right now. A manhunt tonight for a felon on the run.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was already wanted by eight different jurisdictions for a variety of other crimes.

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BANFIELD: Believed to be with his much, much younger pregnant teen cousin.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And he`s believed to be the father.

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BANFIELD: He`s been convicted of manslaughter.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a lot of concern over how this is going to end.

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BANFIELD: She could be anywhere by now. What you need to know to help find this girl.

One minute, she`s a carefree 11-year-old girl; the next, she`s cuffed and thrown in a cruiser. Why would police arrest her like this?

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HONESTIE HODGES, HANDCUFFED AT GUNPOINT: It made me feel scared and it made me feel like I did something wrong.

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BANFIELD: The fallout for the cops.

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DAVID RAHINSKY, GRAND RAPIDS POLICE CHIEF: Listening to the 11-year-old`s response makes my stomach turn.

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BANFIELD: The explanation from the chief.

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BRANDON TATUM, SPOKESPERSON FOR CONSERVATIVETRIBUNE.COM: A significant difference between being in the heat of the moment when you`re dealing with

the unknown.

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BANFIELD: And how the little girl is doing after the fact.

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HODGES: I was just wondering why they did that to me.

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BANFIELD: A burned down home, the least of your nightmares when your missing daughter`s body is found charred among the rubble.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) but it took us so long to learn what happened.

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BANFIELD: And the person who may have killed her?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He said that there was no imminent threat inside of the community and now to figure out that there might be -

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BANFIELD: Is still a small-town mystery.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who could have done this to her?

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BANFIELD: It`s the mugshot that`s got people talking. Was he arrested for stabbing and claimed he was married to Taylor Swift, saying, "look what you

made me do?" Talk about bad blood.

And it`s the big catch that is hard to watch. Three men charged with animal cruelty for dragging a shark like this.

Good evening, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. This is the second hour of Crime & Justice.

Tonight, a 14-year-old girl, believed to be pregnant, is missing and she is thought to be with a felon, who is much, much older. He`s wanted in eight

different jurisdictions and he`s packing with him a manslaughter conviction.

Every minute that she`s with him, the danger rises. And that`s why US Marshals are asking for help right across the country tonight, in looking

for this girl. And this man. And they`re offering a reward.

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BILL BOLDIN, DEPUTY US MARSHAL, US MARSHALS SERVICE: Every day that goes by puts us a little bit farther behind him. We have very little information to

go on on this case.

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BANFIELD: But here is the thing about an Annalys Clay and Louis Jakab, 19 years her senior. They are cousins. And that child, Annalys, is believed to

be carrying, her family says, cousin Louis is the father.

Police have been looking for them for over a weak, but the investigation got off on the wrong foot based on false reports from her mom, which ate up

precious time.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She claimed that she was with her daughter and they went to Strongsville to meet her cousin for some unknown reason and that the

three of them drove to a gas station together, the Sheets Gas Station in Strongsville. She says that she got out of the car to walk inside to get

snacks and drinks for everybody, and the two of them took off.

He made a life-altering decision. And we have a lot of concern over how this is going to end.

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BANFIELD: With me now is Jeanne Destro. She`s the morning news anchor for WAKR Radio in Akron, Ohio. Why did the mother lie?

JEANNE DESTRO, MORNING NEWS ANCHOR, WAKR RADIO: Nobody really knows that right now, or at least that the police know that they haven`t said.

What we do know is that the original report we got from (INAUDIBLE) is that Annalys went missing from her hometown in Barberton, Ohio.

The original story was that her and her mom were out in her mom`s car on the highway and that the girl assaulted her mom and the mom pulled off to

the side of the highway and then this black Audi pulls up behind them, the girl jumps out, she gets into the car with her cousin and they take off,

and today we`re looking for that car.

But, actually, at the time, there was also a report of a silver Cadillac. It`s a little confusing, but then the report was that it was a black Audi.

BANFIELD: So, basically, this cost the police four days. They were going on a report that was nowhere near the location where the girl actually

disappeared. They were going on a report with a police jurisdiction that wasn`t even the same one. Four full days they dealt with that false

information?

[19:05:10] DESTRO: Yes, that`s true. I mean, the original report was that it was in Barberton, Ohio, which is about nine miles southwest of Akron,

but then four days later it was Strongsville, Ohio, which is about 35 miles northwest of Dayton.

So, they actually started looking in the wrong place. Once they started getting into it, they realized, huh, this is different.

So, now, today, I talked to the police and they said that they have issued an arrest warrant, it is a misdemeanor warrant, but an arrest warrant all

the same for the girl`s mother, Helena Clay, for making what they call a false alarm.

So, they`re actually looking for the mom now. But the bottom line, of course, is whether the find the mom or not, it`s the girl that`s in danger.

BANFIELD: Yes, the emergency here is Annalys without question. But since we`re talking about the police, let`s talk to the police.

Senior Inspector Bill Boldin joins me now. He`s the sex offender investigations coordinator for the US Marshals. Service Inspector, thanks

so much for being with us tonight.

So, an arrest warrant for mom for telling a big old fib, leaving it hanging for four days. So, everyone toiled maybe on the wrong trail. How much

trouble is mom in and do you have her in custody?

BOLDIN: Well, at this point, she is not in custody. A warrant has been issued for her arrest. And she knew this was coming.

We have been speaking with her at length and the Akron police department has been speaking with her. So, this is no surprise to her. And we

anticipate that she`s either going to turn herself in or we`ll go out and pick her up first thing tomorrow morning.

BANFIELD: So, let me just put that graphic back up on the air. It`s a map that shows the location where the girl was reported missing by mom, on the

right-hand side of the screen, and that`s in Akron. That`s what she said.

But 35 miles away, surveillance video actually saw her at Sheets Gas Station in Strongsville, Ohio. To the layman, it may not be that big a

deal, but, inspector, to people who have sometimes have minutes or hours to really break a case at the very beginning, it can be colossal. Is that the

case here? That four days of having the wrong information from mom? How bad was that for you?

BOLDIN: Very troublesome. So, picture this, if she would have walked into that Sheets Gas Station and told the clerk what happened, then called 911,

you would have had immediate police response from patrol officers in that area looking for that very distinctive vehicle.

Instead, some over 2, 2.5 hours later, she walks into a police station 35 miles away, with this concocted story that her daughter ran away.

So, it caused a lot of issues. And it really put us really far behind the curve on our investigation.

BANFIELD: Do you think that they are still in Ohio?

BOLDIN: I do not believe they`re still in Ohio. I find it highly unlikely that they`re in Ohio. Our information hasn`t turned up anything specific to

where their location is. However, all of the resources that we use in speaking to all of their friends and family and going to any of the places

that we think that they would have gone, we have not been able to locate them anywhere in our area.

BANFIELD: So, inspector, given the fact that mom really threw everybody for a ringer in terms of getting this investigation off into the - on the right

footing in the search for this felon and this 14-year-old pregnant girl, pregnant by her felon cousin, can I ask you if the mom is now being more

helpful? Is she able to be more helpful? Are there family members who are more helpful?

BOLDIN: Throughout this, she has exhibited everything that a distraught parent would. She has been very upset. She has been very curious, trying to

find out what happened, trying to provide us with information.

So, it contradicts the initial reports that when she started out by lying to us. So, we`re trying to rectify those two things. Her actions initially

with the false information to the fact that she genuinely appears to be concerned for her safety.

BANFIELD: So, I guess the biggest question, inspector, why? What was the reason for the lie? For god`s sake, you`ve got to think she wants to find

her kid. What was she trying to cover up?

BOLDIN: We have no idea at this point. And those are things that are going to be looked into at some point. We are spending all of our efforts at this

point trying to find her and him.

At some point, once things slow down a little bit and once we are able to locate both of them, then we can work with the other agencies to go back

and determine exactly what was going on that night that she didn`t want us to know about.

[19:10:07] BANFIELD: So, let me ask you this. Fourteen-year-old girls are notorious for being all over Instagram and Facebook and every other piece

of social media they can get their hands on. Is that the case with Annalys?

BOLDIN: It was the case with her and even with him, right up until this incident occurred. And they immediately stopped using all of their social

media and stopped contacting their friends and their family and all the people that they had normally been associating with.

BANFIELD: So, crickets there. What about the stuff they don`t know? Or I shouldn`t assume, maybe they watch "Forensic Files." But usually people

don`t realize that even if you`re not sending information out, your cell phone is, in the way of pinging you in certain locations. Have you had any

luck getting pings off their phones from cell towers anywhere around the country?

BOLDIN: Well, in order to do that, you would have to know what their numbers were. And she did not have a phone, to the best of our knowledge,

and he immediately turned his off when this incident occurred. So -

BANFIELD: That`s not going to help. What about tips? Have you had anybody - by the way, since we`re talking about tips, let`s give the number out to

our audience because we broadcast right across the country.

And if they are moving past the Ohio borders, hopefully, someone out there can help here. It`s an easy number to remember. 1-866-4-WANTED. 1-866-4-

WANTED. If you need that in numerics, 866-492-6833. 866-492-6833.

And while we`re on the topic of a tip line, have you had any good tips?

BOLDIN: Since we`ve publicized this in the local media, we have received numerous calls from people that are familiar with him. Unfortunately, all

of the information they`re providing are about things that he has done and places that he has been prior to when this occurred.

None of the tips provided any information on where either one of them were after December 4th.

BANFIELD: OK. Well, inspector -

BOLDIN: One scenario that is very troubling to us because most of the people that are calling in are discussing his criminal activities with

fraud and with cons and his ability to basically get people to do things that he wants to do.

BANFIELD: A real charmer. If you look at his rap sheet and his felony warrants, let`s start with the felony warrants, because he has got felony

warrants in eight different jurisdictions, which is why we have been provided with so many lovely pictures of his mug. They`re mug shots.

He`s wanted in a lot of places. Let`s list it. Here are the things he`s wanted for. Interference with custody and robbery and theft and fraud and

passing bad checks and receiving stolen property.

So, these are the things he`s wanted for. And I`m just about to go over the big old list of the things he`s done that are known as a rap sheet, for

which we also have lots of mugshots.

I can`t even, you know, give it to you in those nice big letters. I have to roll it because there`s just so many. I`m going to just go over the major

ones. Here`s his criminal history. It includes theft, involuntary manslaughter - that`s pretty serious - receiving stolen property, arson,

breaking and entering, attempted arson, falsification, burglary, aggravated theft, another aggravated theft, escape.

So, clearly, this is what we call a career criminal. I want to bring in Art Roderick, if I can. He`s a former assistant director for the US Marshals

and he`s a CNN law enforcement analyst. When you are looking at a guy like this who knows his way around a crime, it gets a little more tricky for the

people who are trying to track him.

What would be the first thing you would look at and what would be the first thing you`d try to outsmart him with?

ART RODERICK, FORMER ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR THE US MARSHALS AND CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, I mean, you try to go to the obvious things. The

social media, cell phone stuff, and we know that he`s smart enough to either shut those things off or just get off social media.

And he`s even smarter enough and manipulative enough to get her to get off social media, which is, I think, very difficult for a 14-year-old girl to

do. But he has convinced her to get off that social media.

But I think with the US Marshals coming into this case, they`re used to these types of complicated fugitive cases. And they`re very successful at

finding these individuals.

But, again, as Inspector Boldin had stated, the number one thing is her safety. And in May of 2015, they passed a federal law which gives Marshal

Service responsibility to assist state and locals in finding victims of human trafficking, which this young girl falls under.

And in just last year alone, they were able to bring back 200 children to their families. And that`s just not also counting the statistic that they

have every year of around 100,000 fugitive felony arrests.

[19:15:01] BANFIELD: Let me do this real quickly. I want to bring in Brian Claypool in Los Angeles. I just have a few seconds left, Brian, but I just

want to ask you, if he`s got rap sheet like this and a criminal history like that, and he`s now accused of doing what we are hearing about, what`s

in store for this guy if and when they catch him?

BRIAN CLAYPOOL, ATTORNEY AND LEGAL ANALYST: Well, Ashleigh, to me, the bigger question is, he`s got a rap sheet longer than my Christmas shopping

list. And I just can`t imagine why he was on the street in the first place.

But if he`s caught, he`s, obviously, looking at kidnapping charges. I think you mentioned before, the Mann Act charges, possible statutory rape.

But I`ve got to tell you, Ashleigh, you were on to something a few minutes ago. I think the mom holds the key to unlocking some of the mystery

associated with this.

And I know Inspector Boldin is doing his job, but I think there should be a higher sense of urgency to get that mom in custody, get her cell phone -

BANFIELD: Yes, get every piece of information we can.

CLAYPOOL: Exactly. Thank you.

BANFIELD: Brian, thank you. Real quick, 866-492-6833. It bears repeating 866-492-6833.

So, a young girl steps outside of her home and immediately has a gun pointed at her. But she was not the victim of a holdup, she was at the

other end of a police officer`s service weapon.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s my child!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. Walk backwards to me, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It does matter!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Right There. Right there. Right there. Right there. OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come back here. Put your right hand behind your back. No, you`re fine. You`re fine. You`re all right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No! No!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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[19:20:35] BANFIELD: You Know, 11-year-olds are a funny bunch. Sometimes they bury their heads in their phones at breakfast. Sometimes they will

talk your ear off. But, rarely, do they cry out and scream because they`re being handcuffed and thrown in the back of a police cruiser after somebody

else committed a crime.

But that`s what happened to Honestie Hodges in Grand Rapids, Michigan while police were looking for a suspect in an attempted homicide.

When that little elementary schooler there on your screen left her home out the back door to go to the store, this is what she walked into.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s you. OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s 11 years old.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Put your hands on top - hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s 11 years old, sir. She`s 11 years old.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stop yelling!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I will not calm down! That is my child!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right, walk backwards to me, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It does matter!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right there. Right there, right there. OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come back here. Put your right hand behind your back. No. You`re fine. You`re fine. You`re all right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No! No! No! No! You`re not going to jail or anything.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Take your hands off.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stop yelling!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just keep your hands -

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: That is, without question, something a parent never wants to see. Certainly, to your own child. You don`t want to see it to other kids,

especially when those kids are innocent.

And all Honestie`s mom could do was stand by and watch this play out.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HODGES: When my mom was walking past, I was putting my hands through the little bars, you know, the windows, screaming, please don`t let them take

me.

WHITNEY HODGES, HONESTIE`S MOTHER: And the whole time they`re telling her to calm down, I`m telling them, she`s 11 years old, that`s my daughter,

don`t cuff her.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Police were actually looking for this woman, Honestie`s aunt. And Honestie`s aunt was suspected of stabbing another family member nearby. She

was, in fact, arrested, at another house.

But that 11-year-old girl was handcuffed and detained without her mom and she was kept in that cruiser for ten minutes before the officers finally

let her go.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HODGES: I`m afraid to open or go near my back door.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why is that?

HODGES: Because of what happened.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How did it make you feel?

HODGES: It made me feel scared and it made me feel like I did something wrong. First, I wanted to be a detective - no, a police officer. But now, I

don`t want anything to do with those kind of things.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: With me now is "Primetime Justice" producer, Michael Christian. Michael, the story here just doesn`t seem like it could happen, and yet it

did happen.

Something happened at another house, and yet they showed up at this house because there`s a family connection and an 11-year-old is treated like

this. How are the police reacting?

MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, PRIMETIME JUSTICE PRODUCER: They are chagrinned, I think is a fair word. They have been very above board. They held a press

conference this week. They showed the video.

The police chief told reporters that he was physically nauseous when he saw this. It`s part of police work. They had permission to search this home.

But I can tell you, Ashleigh, I`m not 11 years old and this would have scared the hell out of me. So, you can only imagine how it would have

affected a child.

BANFIELD: I have a 10-year-old, I have a 12-year-old, and I cannot imagine them even being as brave as Honestie is being. I mean, I can hear her

crying and screaming, but, my God. I can`t imagine my own kids. You know, this girl`s in elementary school. Let`s not forget it. Elementary school.

So, the question I have is, what happened next? Like, did they realize right away, we`ve got the wrong person? And did they just sort of let her

go and then move on about their business? Or what exactly transpired?

CHRISTIAN: They took her into custody. I don`t know if she was ever officially in custody, but, clearly, she was detained. She came down the

stairs, she was cuffed, she was put into the back of a police cruiser.

And she and two other women, including her mother, were all detained for approximately ten minutes. And then they were let go. They did not find the

person that police were looking for at this home. As you said, they found her later, somewhere else.

But ten minutes, again, when you`re 11 years old, that is an eternity.

[19:25:01] BANFIELD: Yes, is it ever. Don`t go anywhere, Michael. I probably have a few more questions for you, but I do want to bring in

Brandon Tatum, if I can. He`s a former police officer. He`s a spokesperson for ConservativeTribune.com.

Brandon, thanks for joining me. Obviously, so many questions here. The police themselves admitted in full transparency that they felt terrible

about this. In fact, before I ask you my question, I want you to hear the police chief, David Rahinsky at a press conference with reporters, where he

fully showed that video - the worst parts of it - right before the questions and answers, and here`s how he reacted. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When you first saw that and heard those screams, what was your reaction?

RAHINSKY: Instinctive. Literally, physical. I mean, listening to the 11- year-old`s response makes my stomach turn.

I don`t think there`s a member of this department who`s not going to watch that and question what -

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You say that, but there were officers there that continued to conduct the way they did while she`s screaming.

RAHINSKY: Yes, we`re trying - I can recognize. There`s a difference - a significant difference between being in the heat of the moment when you`re

dealing with the unknown.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Brandon, the information that came out of that press conference was fascinating. I actually hadn`t thought of this one scenario, in that

sometimes bad guys who have a weapon stash the weapon on a kid. And that they assume no one will search the kid. And officers know that as they go

into a scene.

But the bad guy wasn`t there. It was a bad lady and she was at a different location. Can you sort of wrap your arms around what the police were doing

and how they prosecuted this case and whether they`re in a whole lot of trouble?

BRANDON TATUM, SPOKESPERSON FOR CONSERVATIVETRIBUNE.COM: Well, we`ll start with the police chief. I really do -- I have lost all respect for the

police chief because I feel like he was being fake.

I do understand that he should have held a press conference. He should have addressed the media, but for him to lie and say that he was nauseous from

seeing that video is just a lie.

BANFIELD: Why do you think that`s a lie? I mean, can`t a -- I mean, I don`t know he`s a dad, but can`t we all feel a little sick that this innocent

little 11-year-old girl went through this?

TATUM: Yes. For a person that has never been a police officer a day in their life, I can understand the visceral experience. But as a person

that`s a police chief, what makes people nauseous that are police officers are dead people with - that have been shot in the head, police officers

that are dying, rushing into the hospital. That`s what makes police officers nauseous.

I do believe that they should address their protocol, but at the same time, we, a lot of times, look at things in hindsight. I wish that we had the

ability to know, before we got to the house, that the suspect wasn`t there. Before we got to the house, that this young lady was 11 years old and she

was harmless. I wish that we knew that the parents didn`t stash the murder weapon or the attempted murder weapon on that young juvenile. I wish we

knew all of those things.

If I they did, I think they would have addressed it a little differently.

BANFIELD: So, let me be super clear - Brandon, let me be really, really clear. Nobody stashed a weapon on Honestie Hodges. Her mom did not have

anything to do with this. Her aunt, at another location, apparently is facing some trouble right now for an attempted homicide, a stabbing.

But it didn`t have anything to do with Honestie, didn`t have anything to do with her mom. And I`ve to say, I`m looking at a picture of her aunt, who is

a white lady, and Honestie is a black girl.

I can`t see how they could have thought for a moment, maybe that`s the perp. Maybe they thought that the young girl might have been in that

scenario where a perp would stash a weapon on her. But all of these were unknowns.

TATUM: Yes, yes. Honestly, trust me when I say this, I wish we would have known that the perp wasn`t there, we wouldn`t have wasted our time. The

police officer wouldn`t waste their time going there or searching or doing any of this.

But they don`t know if the suspect is there. They don`t know these people. And I wish that we could say that juveniles would never be put in a

position to carry illegal guns, illegal weapons or stuff that`s valuable to investigating a crime.

I have seen it numerous times where parents are doing that to these young kids, and we have to take protocol and tactics seriously and we have to do

them consistently.

BANFIELD: So, let me ask you, Brandon. The job I`m in, I`m usually on the other side of the coin. I`m usually speaking to someone who says, you know,

police have targeted African-Americans and this has to change. And yet, this police officer comes forward and is very, very transparent about

everything, saying, we have to look at our protocols, we have to do better. This is a child of our community. This is our child, he says

But I have a former black police officer and spokesperson saying, that officer is crazy. And it`s almost as though I`m not sure what police

officers have to say these days in order to come out and explain all the smoke and fog that happens in policing.

TATUM: There`s no smoke and fog in this. This is very blatant -

BANFIELD: Oh, sure. No, Brandon, you just said there is. There`s a ton of smoke and fog because you come - and I don`t have to tell you, you`re a

cop. You come into these things with a lot of unknowns and that`s a lot of fog. So, that`s what I`m referring to.

TATUM: In that sense, yes, I wish that we had a clear view and we knew everything and we could tell the future, but we cannot. I really would

respect if he would tell the truth and say, "Hey, this does not look good." I know that people have an emotional feeling when they see an 11-year-old

screaming like that. It hurts their feelings and I understand that. And I believe that the officers were doing protocol and it was appropriate. Until

they found out that she had nothing to do with it, there was nothing stashed on her, they could let it go and they will be fine.

BANFIELD: Can I ask you something? Are you a dad? Brandon, are you a dad?

TATUM: Yes, I am a dad.

BANFIELD: OK, so -- I know you said that you think that this police chief is lying when he said he`s nauseous. Police officers get nauseous when they

see other dead police officers and victims of gruesome homicides, et cetera. But didn`t you feel a little nauseous for this innocent little 11-

year-old girl? She`s cute as a button and she had nothing to do with any of this.

TATUM: Yes, no, I did feel -- I did feel nauseous at all. I really wish that her family members didn`t put them in a position where the police

would come to their house. I feel bad for her. That`s not her fault. That`s her parent`s fault. That`s everybody else`s fault that are stabbing other

people and living in her residence. The police officers --

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: Well, no, no, her parents didn`t have anything to do with that. It was her aunt at a different location.

(CROSSTALK)

TATUM: -- her family member -- her family member who either lived with them or a family member who was known to that address stabbed another person and

is wanted for attempted murder. That person was allowed to stay there with that young lady. The mother knows the lady, and that`s why the police

responded to her house.

BANFIELD: But the mom is --

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: -- and I can`t -- I can`t be certain about that fact. I just want to be really clear, I can`t be certain that that aunt who was wanted lived

there.

(CROSSTALK)

TATUM: -- police business works. You don`t just show up at a person`s house for no reason. You have great information --

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: But they got her at another house.

TATUM -- to believe she could be there.

(CROSSTALK)

TATUM: Yes, I mean --

BANFIELD: But they did get her in another house.

TATUM: So the suspect goes to the other house, that they won`t be looking for her at. We ended up finding her. The police ended up finding her. But I

really do -- I really do honestly believe that it is unfortunate. I have had to handcuff children before. I have had to done -- do things in a

similar manner. I have rarely seen a young child act that way, but I can understand her frustration. I really do wish that things could have been

different -- that could have been done differently on the part of the parent and the lady who stabbed another person.

I really wished that her parents would take this opportunity and talk to tell her, and tell her the police aren`t the bad people, they were looking

for your aunt, who`s a criminal, and this happened. And the police can go and evaluate tactics (ph) and say, "Well, you know what? Next time we did

an 11-year-old, maybe we can do things a little differently." But to blame the police conclusively and to say that you`re nauseous because a young

lady got handcuffed, she didn`t get hurt, she didn`t get harassed, they weren`t mean to her. For a chief to come out and say he`s nauseous, he just

trying to play politics. That police chief is not nauseous. The police chief --

BANFIELD: Well, there -- I`ll tell you what. There`s one thing we can agree on. There are a lot of politics when it comes to policing across America

now. Brandon, I`ve got to leave it there, but I sure did love having you on and I hope you`ll join me again sometime.

TATUM: Oh, anytime. Thank you so much.

BANFIELD: Thank you. Brandon Tatum joining me. My Thanks to Heather Walker (ph) as well.

A man accused of trying to stab someone with a pair of scissors claims that his wife told him to do it. Here`s the really strange part, this guy

reportedly told police that he was married to Taylor Swift. His name is Brent Shannon Thicksten. He`s -- let`s be slick -- let`s be honest here. He

is definitely not married to Taylor Swift. I don`t think she`s ever seen this fellow before. According to the police, Thicksten was acting menacing

in a downtown Portland area on a Sunday morning. He chased a man, threatening him with scissors. Officers say that the guy did wind up with a

small cut, but he wasn`t hurt seriously. As far as serious goes, though, this man in the mug shot, Mr. Thicksten, his charges are serious. Not only

is he facing assault and weapons and trespassing, but he`s also facing menacing charges. And he`s got one hell of a mug shot.

A high school senior goes missing, never showing up for a concert that she herself organized. But she was found inside her home, a home that had

burned the night she disappeared. Why police fears someone might have killed this 17-year-old, but why they`re saying none of us has to be

worried.

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[19:38:34] BANFIELD: In the small town of Bailey, Colorado, there is a sprawling mansion-like home called Longs Ranch. Looks like a mountain

retreat if you drive by. A nice iron gate out front. It`s the kind of place you might see on "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous." But this home may

just end up instead on "FORENSIC FILES." Because what happened inside that lap of luxury may only be revealed by the clues among the charred remains.

And that`s where the burned body of 17-year-old Maggie Long was reportedly found after she`d been reported missing.

The family home now boarded up and now the scene of a possible crime. Maggie was a popular and active student at her high school. Last she was

seen or heard, she`d left school right before a Friday night concert was set to begin. She was supposed to be helping to organize, but Maggie was

never seen again. At least, she was not seen again alive. Her car was found at that remote, beautiful house. And now, we know her body was found there,

too. It was inside the burned rubble.

That happened after someone apparently set fire to the home, the very same day that Maggie went missing. The officials say that arson and homicide are

both suspected here, but here`s the really, really, really weird part. Police are insisting that there`s no threat to any of us. No one should

worry. No problem for the safety of this small town. And that is something that a few people are having a really tough time wrapping their heads

around.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

[19:40:08] BRYCE BARNES, BAILEY RESIDENT: Which is kind of freaky because like I said from the beginning, they said that there was no imminent threat

inside of the community. And now, to figure out that there might be.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: With me, Randy Corporon, he`s a host for 710 KNUS in Denver. Randy, why should no one be worried when a 17-year-old girl`s body was

found charred, likely inside that home? And we don`t know much else than that. I`m sorry, but I think I would be scared?

RANDY CORPORON, 710 KNUS HOST: I`d be a little nervous relying on that statement from the police, especially when just about a week ago, they say

they accidentally issued a BOLO, a "be on the lookout," for a possible suspect in Maggie`s death, and they mentioned that that individual may have

had flash burns.

BANFIELD: Yes, you know there`s something else on that. But -- and that`s fine. I like when you say the BOLO, the "be on the lookout". Apparently

that BOLO -- and you`ll have to correct me if I`m wrong anywhere here, Randy -- but as we`ve learned, that "be on the lookout" went over a radio,

accidentally. It was supposed to go out within a department may be, or within among, you know, law enforcement, but not out, you know, to us, and

they had to sort of walk back a lot of that stuff.

And in that, we asked the undersheriff working the case if it was true that the investigators thought that gasoline was taken from the home. They said

they aren`t sure that they can tell us if that`s true. But then we said, what about this report that there was a large case, an AK-47, 2,000 rounds

of ammunition for a 762 and a 9-millimeter Beretta, and the undersheriff said, "Yes, that was inadvertently released in the BOLO." That`s starting

to make this look a little more sinister. As if it weren`t already sinister enough. Do you know anything more about that?

CORPORON: Haven`t been able to determine another fact. And in fact, the judge, in this case, a judge, surrounding this case, had issued a gag

order. So no one can really talk about anything. And a lot, if not most of our information, is coming from a Facebook page that was put up in the

community called "Justice for Maggie Long".

BANFIELD: You know what else, Randy, we asked some really simple questions of the undersheriff. And listen, I get it, they can`t always tell us

everything. They`re working a case and we can be meddlesome. But when we asked the simple question, like, when was Maggie`s body found? You know,

she went missing on Friday. The fire was set that night. She`d been missing for days. And six days later, we find out, they found her burned body in

the home. And they can`t say. They won`t say when. They won`t say when they found the-- they won`t even tell us if they think she was killed in the

home, like, died in the fire. Like, they`re literally keeping wraps on everything.

CORPORON: And the suspicion grows when you understand and suspicion of danger grows when you understand that a multi-jurisdictional task force,

federal, state, and local law enforcement apparently has been formed to pursue justice in this case. So there`s a lot more than meets the eye, and

I hope it turns out there`s an excellent reason that the community can`t know more right now.

BANFIELD: I hear you. Randy, do we know anything about this 911 call that we hear? It came in apparently -- and I`ll go over the timeline in a

second, but this is a critical part of it. 911 call comes in about 6:00 at night on that Friday night that she went missing, wasn`t seen after school,

and it comes into the dispatch from what is believed to be a renter in the attic above the kitchen. This is what some of the local reports are saying.

And the 911 dispatch hears people arguing, throwing things around, trying to set the house on fire. These are not dispatched records. This is -- this

is local news. And the authorities are saying, "Sorry, we don`t know where you got that." Do we know anything more about it?

CORPORON: Not another thing, Ashleigh.

BANFIELD: Man, that is crazy. Why would you need a renter if you`ve got enough money for a mansion like that? This thing looks like, you know, it

looks like a massive estate. It looks like one of those Ted Turner-like ranchers. Is there something the pictures aren`t telling me, or is it that

beautiful?

CORPORON: You know, it`s just too dangerous to speculate about something like this. I think viewers can draw their own conclusions when they see

this amazing estate and all of the activity that`s gone on around it, with federal, state, and local authorities. And yet this complete lack of

information that lets us know entirely what`s going on. And I just hope that they need this silence in order to flesh out a suspect that eventually

will let us know exactly what happened. But we --

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: Any info on family? I haven`t heard a word about her family. And do you know anything?

CORPORON: I don`t.

BANFIELD: Wow.

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: This is really -- go ahead.

CORPORON: I just said, mum`s the word.

BANFIELD: Mum`s the word. It`s really crazy. I mean, you would think that some neighbors would say, "Mom and Dad were distraught," or you know,

something. But we`re just hearing so little. I want to just do this timeline real quick and then bring in Art Roderick on it. So, work with me

here. About 3:30 December 1st, that`s a Friday, she leaves school to go home to make hot dogs, because she`s supposed to bring the hot dogs for the

concession stand at that concert, at the school that night. She`s an organizer. She apparently, would have arrived home about a half an hour

later, like about 4:00. But at 6:00 is when that 911 call comes in, possibly from inside the home, may be placed by this so-called "renter"

that`s been reported in the space above the home.

There`s reports of people arguing, throwing things around. No arrests, no suspects, but this strange "be on the lookout" goes out, suggesting that

they are looking for an individual who may have flash burns. That`s critical. I want to bring in Art Roderick on that. Does that help you with

anything? I mean, yes, there`s a fire. If they think there`s arson, sure --

ART RODERICK, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST AND FORMER ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, U.S. MARSHALS: Right.

BANFIELD: -- a suspect might have flash burns. But they`re crazy that that even went out accidentally. Why are they being so tight-lipped?

RODERICK: Yes, I -- there`s a couple things here, Ashleigh, and you hit on -- you hit on a couple major points here. Number one, the whole issue of

the gag order leads me to believe that they probably have some idea of how this crime was committed or who even might have committed it. The -- you

know, you`ve heard these gag orders before. Usually, gag orders are issued by a judge in very high-profile cases. Now -- and usually, there`s a

request from either the defense or the prosecution in order to put this gag order on.

So, and also, the issue, the second issue being that there`s no public safety issue here. And usually, law enforcement, if there was a public

safety issue, they`d be the first ones coming out and say, "Hey, look for this individual, look for that individual. There`s a threat to the public,

there`s a threat to society out there." And we have that -- when you put that together with this gag order being issued, there`s a very good

possibility they`re tracking exactly what happened --

BANFIELD: I`ve got to leave it there.

RODERICK: -- based on your timeline through the end here. And we also know that a lot of times arson is committed in order to cover up a homicide or

any type of crime.

BANFIELD: Amen to that. I have to leave it there, but I want you to stick around, Art.

RODERICK: Yes.

BANFIELD: This video, three men facing charges in connection with this viral video of a shark being dragged behind a speeding boat. It is hard to

watch. But in the video, you can clearly see that shark whipping back and forth, bouncing along the top of the water near Tampa. Prosecutors say this

happened in July and it took them four months of investigating, but they say they think they got the men that they wanted, the three men on that

boat. Michael Wenzel, Robert Benac, and Spencer Heintz have all been charged with felony aggravated animal cruelty. Wenzel and Benac also faced

charges of illegally taking a shark. The jail records do not list attorneys for the men, so we could not reach out to get comments from them.

911 is called after police say a driver is found passed out in his car at a gas station, but what happens when he wakes up puts the first responders`

lives in imminent danger. The lengths that police went to, to catch this alleged drunk driver, simply jaw-dropping. But you`re going to see them.

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[19:52:36] BANFIELD: This holiday season is a time most people express gratitude for the little things and for the big ones, too, but gratitude

was certainly the last thing that came from a driver who police say had one too many and then passed out in a running car at a gas station. The

bystanders, now, they did the right thing and they called for help. And when the firefighters and EMS came to the rescue and woke the guy up, he

reportedly went ballistic.

Surveillance video shows him backing up his red Grand Am. Suspected as a drunk driver, he slams into the firefighter and the EMS worker as he hits

that emergency vehicle, too, then this happened. Takes off with the driver`s side wide open tearing out of the gas station. It looked like he

hit other cars. Then this happened, they tried that PIT maneuver, you know, that PIT maneuver where you try to stop them from, you know, this wild

chase?

Actually, the PIT maneuver -- I love this -- Pursuit Intervention Technique, usually it works. But this driver managed to stay on the wheel,

even managed to flip them the bird, too. It was crazy. Look at this. He gets around, he comes back and flips the bird. I don`t know if you can see

it, but he did it. Chases don`t end up well for perps, usually, and this Grand Am ended up blowing past some stop sticks and that blew out his

tires.

And with what appears to be another attempt to stop the car, the car spins out of control. Watch this. Very satisfying, trust me. Yikes, there he

goes, bump, bump. That`s Brian Cremeans, everybody, in the klieg lights. And getting in the last word, he flips another double bird to the deputies.

Hello, Brian Creamens, in full color. Look at you. You`ve been charged with operating while intoxicated, felonious assault, fleeing arrest, and a few

other things for good measure. And lucky for you, the firefighter and the EMS worker who were hit, only suffered minor injuries and they were

released.

Brian Claypool, I don`t like people like that, especially at Christmas time. He`s in for some trouble, isn`t he?

BRIAN CLAYPOOL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Hey, Ashleigh. I don`t know what`s worse, representing this guy in a criminal case or getting a big lump of coal in

your stocking at Christmas time. I mean, I`ve been banging my head against the wall trying to come up with a defense for this guy. But, I mean --

BANFIELD: That`s all on video. I love me some video.

CLAYPOOL: Yes, tell me about it.

[19:54:50] BANFIELD: So, you know what I don`t loves me? I don`t loves me cars like this and traffic. Traffic drives me crazy. But what are actually

the best and the worst cities for driving? I`ve got that for you. It`s our one more thing and it`s coming up next.

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BANFIELD: And just one more thing tonight. You know, we all complain about it at some point -- traffic. But it turns out drivers in some cities have a

whole lot less to grumble about because according to Waze, which is my favorite app, the best cities for driving are Greensboro, North Carolina,

Lexington, Kentucky, and Dayton, Ohio. The worst? Not what you might think. It`s not in L.A. or New York or Atlanta, it is Honolulu. Go figure.

Jacksonville, Florida coming in at number two, and San Diego rounding out the top three.

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