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Man Killed One Whole Family; Mother Buried Her Own Son in the Backyard. Aired 6-6:30p ET
Aired December 20, 2017 - 18:00 ET
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[18:00:00] RITA COSBY, HOST, HLN: And good evening, everybody. I am Rita Cosby, in for Ashleigh Banfield. It is six o`clock Eastern. And these are
your headlines.
The search is on tonight for a six-week-old infant whose mother was stabbed to death at her Houston apartment. Her body was found yesterday, the baby
Shanally is nowhere to be seen.
And meanwhile, authorities in the southeast are on for the hunt for two inmates who escaped from a Florida jail Monday night by chipping away at a
wall in their cell. One of them faces a murder charge and local sheriffs are urging caution, believing the inmates are now traveling in a white GMC
Sierra that they stole in North Carolina.
And U.S. Marshals are still asking for your help finding Annalys Clay, she is the pregnant 14-year-old now missing for over two weeks. She is believed
to be in the hand of her 33-year-old cousin, a wanted felon and possibly the father of her unborn child.
They were last spotted at a hotel in Fairfax, Virginia, over a week ago.
And we are learning Florida State fraternity pledge Andrew Coffee drank an entire bottle of Bourbon before he died after a party last month. He had a
blood alcohol level of .447.
Now a grand jury is saying there is reason to file criminal charges, but the investigation is ongoing.
And tonight, a Kentucky man pays the price for one of the most reckless and deadly cases of driving. Now, we have ever seen. Police say that he was
going 96 miles an hour in a 55-mile-an-hour zone on the wrong side of the road after drinking and smoking pot and he hit a car head-on and killed an
entire family.
The kids were just 9, 8 and 6-years-old. And their parents engaged to be married and they were all declared dead at the scene.
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TINA MORGAN, SAMANTHA MALOHN`S MOTHER: I just don`t want the kids` memory to dissipate in the details. They were wonderful parents. The children were
so young.
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COSBY: And Daniel Reis is charged with five counts of Wanton murder as he recovers from his injuries and he is facing 20 to 50 years in prison for
each of the lives that he took as he faces their family in court.
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MORGAN: I`m talking about rehab. I lost all three grandchildren. He was so young. I can care less what the family needs.
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COSBY: Such a heartbreaking scene. And joining me now is Melissa Neeley, she is the anchor reporter for WLW Radio. Tell us what happened here. This
was just a horrible atrocious case.
MELISSA NEELEY, ANCHOR AND REPORTER, WLW RADIO: Well, I`m telling you, it was a horrifying moment. We heard this one on the scanners in the newsroom
and we were all shocked to hear about Daniel Greis and what happened with his family.
He had the pedal to the floor, if you can believe that, and he was going 96 miles an hour. And this was heavily traveled country road and people in the
area know that. It`s a well-traveled road. It goes between two counties and he slammed into this family killing them instantly.
COSBY: You know, talk about this roadway, because I understand that there are two yellow lines, like we see on so many roads and Melissa, basically,
you know, you are not supposed to cross over that to begin with, let alone at 96 and there were some reports that that pedal was 100 percent down.
NEELEY: That`s right. He had the pedal to the floor and, yes, on this road, it had a hill, a slight hill. So you cannot pass in this area on this
stretch of road because drivers who are coming over this hill like he was, of course, you can`t see on the other side of it.
So, and that`s exactly what happened and he crossed the line. He crossed the yellow line and just slammed right into this family.
COSBY: You know, the other thing, too, he wouldn`t admit to the cops that he was drinking and smoking pot, is that right?
NEELEY: That`s right. His blood alcohol content was over the limit for Kentucky, and basically he had also, they found marijuana in his system. So
he was intoxicated and, obviously, driving recklessly.
[18:04:59] COSBY: Yes. To say the least. Let`s go to Tina Morgan. She is Samantha Malohn`s mother. She is also the grandmother of these children,
Hailieann, Brenden, and Cailie. She joins us from Dry Ridge, Kentucky.
First of all, our thoughts and prayers are with you. I can`t imagine what it is like to lose so many people you love. You must be so angry when you
hear these details, too?
MORGAN: The details are very hard for me. I first heard them in court and you know, I couldn`t restrain the tears. It just didn`t make sense. Why
would anybody be driving 96 miles per hour on such a road?
COSBY: You know, the other thing, too, Tina, as we hear these details, too, we understand that he was coming back from a day, they talked about, I want
to get rehab, what are your thoughts when you hear someone he needs a lot more than rehab?
MORGAN: I`m just shocked. I don`t know what to think. No matter what happens to Mr. Wright or whatever, I still lost five family members and I
just don`t see any justice covering that.
COSBY: What do you think as you see him? You know, he was wheeled into court, there he is, you know, I think trying to look like, it`s me. I have
a hard time feeling sorry for him. I`m sure you do, too, when you see him and there he is. What do you think?
MORGAN: I just see, I`m thinking there is like not something his attorney has come up with. He leaves his eyes closed. He doesn`t even respond to
anything other than stating his name at the beginning. You know, I`m thinking about the funeral he had to have per casket. And, you know, it
didn`t look like he was bruised up. So.
COSBY: Yes, you are right.
MORGAN: It was heartbreaking.
COSBY: I cannot imagine, Tina, and again, our prayers are with you. Stay with us. I want to bring in also Corporeal Dwaine Parker, he is the former
traffic homicide investigator for Hillsborough County Sheriff`s Office.
Let me ask you, if I could, corporal, when you hear this, and you I`m sure covered a lot of traffic cases in your time, are you just shocked at the
audacity of this man and also the fact that there were reports that that pedal was going all the way down, he was going up the hill and that pedal
to the car was all the way down even at the point of impact, that he didn`t back off when he suddenly saw the other vehicle?
DWAINE PARKER, FORMER TRAFFIC HOMICIDE INVESTIGATOR, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: I am shocked. After all the years of investigation that I
did and despite all the public education that we have for not allowing people to drive and drink and how dangerous it is, yet some people continue
to do this and this is the effects of it. And at 96 miles per hour, in that particular area, it`s just, it`s crazy.
COSBY: What do you make of the fact that he says there was a combination of marijuana and pot and the cops found suspected marijuana on this person.
How does that affect someone`s impairment? That combination I think, two very dangerous combination, you shouldn`t be doing one of them.
You shouldn`t be speeding. But that combination, it was like a lethal combination is that much more extreme, the type of impairment when you have
that combination, corporal?
PARKER: It is, having the THC in your system and the alcohol combined with it, with his words stating that he needed to get rehab indicates that this
is a prolonged condition that he`s had for a long time, So the amount of alcohol and THC that he would in the system to be impaired would be
greater.
So that only leads you to believe, how much did he drink, how much did he smoke, and how much was in his system to impair this thought to be able to
drive that carelessly on such a small road in an area where it`s heavily traveled, and then to make that conscious decision to not only cross over
the double yellow line but pass another car over a blind curve over a hill.
COSBY: Yes, absolutely. Let me go to defense attorney Alex Sanchez real quick. Alex, how do you defend this guy? I mean, you hear about the fact
that he`s speeding. He`s got the pedal all the way down. I have a little hard time feeling sorry for him, I think the rest of us do.
ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It`s a very challenging case, it`s a tragic case, let`s face it. But you know what struck me, you know, the alcohol...
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COSBY: Tragic for the family.
SANCHEZ: There you go. Of course, it`s tragic for the family, absolutely. What struck me is that he blew a .82 or his blood alcohol content was .82.
COSBY: Right. On the edge there.
[18:10:00] SANCHEZ: Right on the edge. Now, if you could challenge the results, right, challenge the toxicology results or the breathalyzer, or
the chemical results and you could somehow bring that result below .08, well, he may not be driving while intoxicated anymore.
COSBY: Either way, either way he said, he crossed the line.
SANCHEZ: Yes. Yes.
COSBY: He was going 96 miles an hour.
SANCHEZ: yes.
COSBY: How do you explain that out?
SANCHEZ: Well, maybe you may not be able to excuse it, but you may be able to greatly reduce the penalties involved here. Because it`s one thing to
drive in speed when you are intoxicated. And it`s another thing to simply drive in speed and act recklessly, they are vastly different in terms of
penalties.
And as far as the marijuana case goes, they`re saying he smoking marijuana, you know, that`s very imprecise test to determine how marijuana he`s had in
his body.
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COSBY: He said he was smoking marijuana.
SANCHEZ: Yes, he did.
COSBY: They found it on this person.
SANCHEZ: Yes, I know.
COSBY: He indicted himself.
SANCHEZ: Yes, maybe he said he was smoking marijuana.
COSBY: Come on.
SANCHEZ: But what are the objective scientist tests say, and if they don`t clearly indicate he had a lot of marijuana in his system, can that be used
against him, just a statement? So that`s going to be part of the defense here, in terms of this business about putting the foot to the pedal, how do
they know...
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COSBY: Yes. Let me play a little bit of that. Let me, because there`s a little comment too that we have. Here is a little bit of that exactly what
happened there.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What was the speed 1.5 seconds prior to impact?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Eighty five miles per hour.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What was the speed ahead to a second prior to impact?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ninety two miles per hour.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And how fast was Mr. Greis traveling when he crashed into the car carrying the Pollitt family?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ninety six miles per hour.
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COSBY: Ninety then 96, I think they can figure that out. You`re a smart defense attorney. You know they know how to figure that out.
SANCHEZ: I`m sure they do. I`d like to know how he had his pedal to the floor. I mean, was this scientifically evaluated? Is it in the computer
system of the car? How do they do it?
And remember, each of these things can be challenged. Just because the police make a statement doesn`t mean that there is no question about it.
You can`t challenge it, you can`t question it. You must go to court and simply confess that you`re guilty. No.
In any criminal case of which there is scientist evidence or mechanical evidence, you`re a allowed to challenge it. And why shouldn`t he be allowed
to challenge it here?
COSBY: You know what`s interesting in this case. And I have no sympathy for this man, I think it`s absolutely atrocious what he did and he clearly was
irresponsible at best, but disgusting. I think his behavior if he says that he was drinking, he said he was doing marijuana, he`s going 92, then 96.
He is charged with five counts of murder, which is interesting in this particular area here in the commonwealth of Kentucky. It`s interesting,
because I would have thought he would have been charged with manslaughter, showing intent. But it varies from state to state and in the commonwealth
of Kentucky, it says that it`s murder. Are you surprised by that?
SANCHEZ: I am surprised. New York would be like...
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COSBY: Because you have to show attempt.
SANCHEZ: Yes, vehicular manslaughter, some lesser, but here each count, he is facing 20 to 60 years, I guess he is facing, you know, 250 years in
jail. You know, he`s got some challenges, there is no question about it.
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COSBY: Yes. The challenges, boy, does he have challenges?
SANCHEZ: The question is -- right. Is he going to be able to minimize the damage in this case? There is some opportunity from the defense appoint --
defense point of view to minimize damage, instead of doing 250 years, maybe he will only are to do 150 years.
COSBY: Yes. Well, listen, either way, he is going to spend the rest of his life I think behind bars. Don`t you?
SANCHEZ: He`s got some problems.
COSBY: He sure does. And let`s go back if we could to Tina Morgan. She is of course the mother and grandmother of these four kids, whose lives were
lost of all five people in the family.
You know, when I hear this, Tina, and you hear defense attorneys like Alex trying to make excuses for the guy, what do you think and are you worried
that there could be a loophole or something comes through and maybe he doesn`t get the maximum here?
MORGAN: No, I`m not concerned. The trash box was pulled from his vehicle, so the miles per hour and per second that`s documented by his vehicle,
that`s his crash box. And he`s confessed to, you know, the alcohol and marijuana but they`ve also found the marijuana on scene. He is doing...
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COSBY: What do you think, by the way, what do you think of -- and Tina, sorry to interrupt you, what do you think of the fact that normally he
could have been even eligible for death penalty when it`s murder, would you like to see the book thrown at this guy because he took five precious likes
from you?
MORGAN: You know, honestly, you know, I think this guy, he`s got an alcoholic problem. My kid just saved him from himself. Because now he`s
going to sit in jail. And he`s going to not be drinking. He`s going to find God and he still has his family. But we don`t. And I just don`t see any
justice.
COSBY: You know, it`s heartbreaking to see it. And again, when I see him sort of, it`s me wheeled there, and we don`t really even know the extent of
his injuries.
Let me go to Corporate Dwaine Parker, who is a former homicide investigator. It is heartbreaking, corporal when you hear the mother of
this poor woman who died and also the whole family that perished, it is just so heartbreaking to see it, doesn`t it?
[18:15:08] PARKER: It is. And to bring up the point of the attorney, you know, he was questioning whether the box is accurate or not. I just want to
say that as the travel homicide investigators, they get on scene, and they don`t look at that box at first, they take all the evidence at the scene.
They have mathematical formulas that they can use to determine how the crash occurred, the speeds that the vehicles were traveling at the time of
impact.
And then once they`ve completed their entire investigation, then they`ll go to that black box, download the data and the data should come up with the
information that they had on the scene, so not only do you have the electronic data recorded from the suspect`s vehicle, but you also have the
actual evidence and that evidence is obtained separately. So, combining both of that information will make the states have a solid case.
COSBY: Yes, I agree, absolutely. I think, overwhelming evidence. Thanks so much. And everyone in Ohio, the remains of a 5-year-old special needs boy
are found buried in the back yard, and police say his mother is the one who put him there. Details are straight ahead.
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COSBY: And this is Rita Cosby, in for Ashleigh Banfield.
It was only a matter of hours after the search began for a missing five- year-old boy, that human remains were found in his mother`s Cleveland backyard. And they are believed to be his.
But police didn`t even know that Jordan was missing when they got an unexpected call from, of all place, Pakistan, alerting them of his possible
burial.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Basically, he told me that something happened with one of the kids and that he called, and basically he buried, him and his
girlfriends buried the kid in the backyard. It`s not his kid, it`s one of her kids.
What he told me was he came home, his girlfriend called him, to rush home. And then like, I think the little boy was 4 or 5, now mind you, I`d only
seen these kids like one time, so I couldn`t tell you who they are or what it is about.
But he told me the boy was unresponsive, and I was like, OK. He said well, this kid has a, you know, a lot of problems, like he had one lung, one
kidney, I don`t even know if that part is true because I don`t want these kids because he`s only been with this girl two years, and I`ve been
overseas.
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COSBY: The mom and now the child`s mom Larissa Rodriguez is in custody. We are hearing she is facing serious some charges. A woman with nine children,
pregnant with her tenth, five of them that have been living in that house where there were allegations of abuse and horrifying conditions.
Tonight, police are working to determine when Jordan actually went missing and what happened to him when his aunts mourned the loss of their nephew.
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ANA RODRIGUEZ, JORDAN`S AUNT: He was sweet. He was a premature. You know, he was a sweet kid. He didn`t talk much. He was delayed.
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COSBY: And joining me now is Sergeant Jennifer Ciaccia, she is the PIO for the Cleveland Police. Jennifer Ciaccia, thank you very much for being with
us. First, let me ask you what we know. Is there some latest in terms of the charges against the mother?
JENNIFER CIACCIA, PIO, CLEVELAND POLICE DIVISION: She was charged today with murder as long as assault and some other felonies.
COSBY: She was. So what do we know that actually pinpointed her? And if you can, take us back to that phone call of all places, from Pakistan?
CIACCIA: Well, our officers received that call actually into our dispatch center and they were sent over to a home and you know, as can you imagine,
that`s kind of an odd way for a missing persons report to come in.
So, obviously the missing person`s report was initiated by the parents, which would be more common. They interviewed the mother, she wasn`t able to
provide any verifiable whereabouts for this 5-year-old child and throughout the course of the investigation, they took her into custody.
She was able to provide some information relative to where the child was. We obtained search warrants for the home and for the yard and went ahead
and through the course of the investigation, executed those search warrants with the help of partnering with law enforcement agencies, the FBI for
evidence and response team came out to assisted us and along with the Cuyahoga County medical examiner`s office.
COSBY: And so what about -- what about the husband, what about -- not the husband but the boyfriend? Because it`s so bizarre. It`s his brother whose
calling from Pakistan?
CIACCIA: Yes, that is interesting, for sure. He`s actually in jail in Medina County, which is about an hour from Cleveland on unrelated charges,
so we just have the information that he had provided to his brother and then our investigators, obviously, are in touch and interviewing him as
well.
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COSBY: Now as you point out, he`s behind bars, but could he face something else, sergeant? Could he face more serious charges?
CIACCIA: Yes, absolutely.
COSBY: All right. Let`s go to Sia Nyorkor, she is a reporter with the CNN affiliate WOIO, she`s outside the home where Jordan`s remains were found.
Sia, let me ask you, because what do we know about the dynamics here, take us back from this bizarre call in Pakistan, it comes from the boyfriend`s
brother. And again, the boyfriends is not the father of the baby. But it`s so bizarre that suddenly a call from Pakistan comes in.
[18:25:03] SIA NYORKOR, REPORTER, WOIO TV: Rita, it absolutely is bizarre. As the details come out, they`re absolutely horrific. And to think that
this did just start with a call from Pakistan and everyone wondered, you know, what was the relation? Why from Pakistan?
And when police got here, on Monday, when they got that call and searched and didn`t find anything, but then started talking with the mother, Larissa
Rodriguez and she couldn`t tell them, give them an address, or phone number, contact info for where her 5-year-old son Jordan was, everything
came together when they found those human remains yesterday right here in this backyard.
COSBY: Let me ask you, Sia, about the alibi that the mom claimed and apparently the boyfriend, who is also living with her, that they both claim
this bizarre alibi that Jordan, this beautiful little boy that we`ve been seeing the pictures of, that when she gave him over to somebody who was,
quote, "a donor" the aunt of a donor, but couldn`t remember the name, the number, couldn`t remember the address. I mean, it`s this bizarre alibi, so
it seems?
NYORKOR: Yes, we have been hearing those stories and those reports, too. In fact, actually Larissa`s sisters, I spoke with them yesterday. And they
referenced the donor, they referenced the multiple fathers that her children have, and so we`re really just trying to piece everything together
and figure out what, you know, what is truth and what is fiction.
COSBY: Yes. In fact, I want to play a little bit as you mentioned, the sister of Larissa even was complaining about problems in the home and
here`s a little bit of what she had to say about this just sad history of what was happening to this beautiful child.
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RODRIGUEZ: That boy was sick. That boy was special needs. He`s a child. He needed help. All they did was (muted) beat on that little boy.
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COSBY: You know, when I hear this, Sia, I get so angry. Here is the sister of the mother saying that there is a blatant history that took place here
and the Child Protective Services were coming over and checking constantly.
I mean, there are so many balls that were dropped here, tell us about the history. Because they`re supposed to protect that child from anybody,
including the parents.
NYORKOR: Rita, we did some digging today and we found that there are a history of calls dating back to actually 2002, police calls. Some here at
this home, some at other residences with Larissa.
And you know, like I mentioned, some of them are domestic violence, some of them are assaults, but definitely child family services has been to this
home several times over the years. And unfortunately, like the sisters told us on camera yesterday, they would come, they would check things out, and
then they would close the case, because they couldn`t find evidence of everything.
COSBY: And Sia, I do have to ask you, one of the claims that I was seeing, that when Child Protective Services, they get this call from Pakistan,
finally they have an epiphany and they decide to come over and they go over.
Again, we don`t know if they, as you point out, they had some contact since 2002, but they go over, and the conditions that they found the other
children living in the house were deplorable. And Sia, there are some reports that they found what cockroaches and rats. And this to me, is one
of the most heartbreaking things.
One of the kids was seen eating by one of the reps from Child Protective Services, where you try to put your best face forward, seen eating a
sandwich with cockroaches in it. Is that right?
NYORKOR: Yes, those are the reports, those are, that is exactly what the sisters told us yesterday. They mentioned coming over here, and seeing the
kids just living in terrible conditions and they tried to get those kids help.
Those were her two sisters, Anna and Michelle that you saw there on camera earlier, but yes, they mentioned that, it`s a heartbreaking when you think
about it.
COSBY: Absolutely, it`s disgusting. Sia, thank you very much.
Let`s go to Dr. Charles Sophy, he is the medical director of the Los Angeles County Department of Children and Family Services. Dr. Sophy, when
you hear these conditions, it is absolutely deplorable. What do you make? I mean, this sounds like such an unbelievable severe case that the sister of
the mother was complaining repeatedly?
CHARLES SOPHY, MEDICAL DIRECTOR, LOS ANGELES COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN AND FAMILY SERVICES: Absolutely, I`m outraged as well as you are. I mean,
15 years of calls that have gone on about this woman. And still, there weren`t dots connected enough to take the children or help her in some way.
There was clearly, this was not the first that the conditions in that home were deplorable.
[18:29:58] Besides that, this mother must have some sense of mental illness or substance abuse, because anyone who is functioning on that level isn`t
in their right mind. There`s something else going on that was obviously missed here.
COSBY: And Dr. Sophy, it`s a heartbreaking thing to think about, but that poor little boy, they believe the remains were in the backyard. They
clearly have now tied, it looks like, because they charged the mother with murder in the last few minutes.
SOPHY: Yes.
COSBY: But as we are going through all of this, how can we determine how long his remains have been there? Because it sounds like the brother in
Pakistan was worried about maybe him getting pulled in because it sounds like he was aware for some time that they "buried" the child, that found
the baby, they said, unresponsive.
Can we tell what happened to the baby? Clearly they -- it doesn`t look like authorities believe the story. And, two, can we tell how long the baby has
been there sadly?
SOPHY: Yes. The fact that this man called from Pakistan tells us how disturbed he was on some level to even think that this was happening. But,
also, probably to cover himself. Yes, there is a way to determine the age of the death and the bones.
All of that will be done by the corner, to be able give us all of that forensic type of information to put the pieces together to make this
picture look like it works.
COSBY: Absolutely. And Alex Sanchez, defense attorney, you hear this. How do you defend this woman? I mean, you got the sister complaining, you got
the body found, you got the call saying there is a body in the backyard. They find now, it looks like, confirmed to be the remains.
They probably would not have charged the mother if they didn`t feel it was the boy and had evidence now. How do you defend this woman?
ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: There is a third question that needs to be asked, who killed the child? Do we know who killed the child? As far as I
know, she didn`t confess that she killed the child.
COSBY: From what we understand, she and the also boyfriend seem to say that -- just showed up and the baby is unresponsive --
SANCHEZ: Right, so, OK --
COSBY: -- but there is a history of abuse.
SANCHEZ: Right. But how do you know who killed the child? That is an important question. First of all, we need to find out, how did the child
die? It`s within the realm of possibility the child died of natural causes or for some other reason.
But let`s say the child was killed, how do we know who killed the child? Was it the boyfriend or was it her? Did she bury a dead child because
someone else had killed that child? It`s a crime to dispose of a dead body.
COSBY: You suddenly come home and the baby, it just seems too circumstantial.
SANCHEZ: Yes.
COSBY: All this history of Child Protective Services --
SANCHEZ: I`ll tell you --
COSBY: The kids are eating roaches in their sandwiches.
SANCHEZ: Yes, that`s terrible. You know something? The people that should be brought up on charges, criminal charges, are the protective services
department of that community.
COSBY: Well, I agree with you on that one, too.
SANCHEZ: For 15 years, they don`t take action --
COSBY: Absolutely outrageous.
SANCHEZ: -- I am angrier at them than I am at the mother at this point.
COSBY: Well, shame on you there, they`re equally culpable, not for the murder, but clearly negligence --
SANCHEZ: There is negligence.
COSBY: -- by that Child Protective Services.
SANCHEZ: She has got obviously has serious mental health issues. No question about it. But they`re responsible, too.
COSBY: Yes, absolutely. But don`t try to put it off that she is -- it sounds like that they have something clearly to tie her with murder, don`t
you think?
SANCHEZ: I do.
COSBY: All right. Glad you finally -- I knew I`d get an answer out of him.
All right. In Kentucky, a traffic stop turned into a manhunt when a wrong- way driver accidentally fell off the side of a highway overpass while officers were actually talking to him. Amanda Kelley from CNN affiliate
WLWT explains.
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AMANDA KELLEY, REPORTER, WLWT (voice over): A trucker driving the wrong way on 471 was about to end up in handcuffs earlier this month for outstanding
warrants. But watch what happens next.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You are under arrest.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For what?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I will tell you in a second.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For what?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I need you to put your hands behind your back.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stop.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t have (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE).
KELLEY (voice over): The driver tripped over road debris and fell about 40 feet off the overpass.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I need Newport squad to get under the bridge. Subject (INAUDIBLE) fell over the side of the bridge.
KELLEY (voice over): Bellevue police rushed to search for the suspect who amazingly got up and ran.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m in the woods right now. I`m sure you can see my light. I heard him somewhere in this area.
KELLEY (voice over): Newport K-9 arrived to help and tracked the driver down in the woods. But then the man put the dog in a choke hold.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get off my dog!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s biting me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get off my dog! Get off my dog!
KELLEY (voice over): Officers tased the driver and handcuffed him, while they waited for an ambulance, not quite sure how he survived.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, man, you need to stop rolling around. You just dropped about 40 feet. All right?
(END VIDEOTAPE)
COSBY: And WLWT reports that the driver was treated for his injuries and cited for resisting arrest.
And people who know eight-year-old Christopher Bowen always thought it was a miracle that he was alive. He has spent his life seeing doctors and
specialists. But now police say that none of his health issues are real, and that his mother made it all up.
[18:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
COSBY: And everybody, I`m Rita Cosby here, in for Ashleigh Banfield. A woman in Texas reportedly took her son to the hospital 323 times before the
staff raised the alarm. Officials say he had a feeding tube inserted in him and had been getting medication for seizures.
But it seems it was all unnecessary because they say his mother made it all up, all of his health problems. Lying to doctors for years, starting when
he was a baby, when police say she poured out his unfinished milk.
And even posting pictures like this on Facebook saying that eight-year-old Christopher had cancer. Now she is charged with injury to a child. With for
Christopher`s dad, who was awarded custody of him just a few hours ago, too much damage has been done.
(START VIDEO CLIP)
[18:40:00] RYAN CRAWFORD, FATHER OF CHRISTOPHER BOWEN: No one wanted to believe me until it was almost too late. He almost died three different
times due to infections from 13 different surgeries. So he has a -- he has a long road ahead of him. I hate that he had to go through that. I hate it.
I hate it so much.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COSBY: It`s heartbreaking to see. Well, Kate Delaney joins me now. She is an investigative reporter. She is also a syndicated radio host. Let me go
to you, Kate. First of all, the new news, this dad who you just saw just (INAUDIBLE) there and it`s so heartbreaking to see, he has finally gotten
custody, correct?
KATE DELANEY, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER (via telephone): Yes, thank goodness. You said that you really saw him (INAUDIBLE), obviously, overwhelmed, can
you imagine, eighth-year-old Christopher Bowen, his son, (INAUDIBLE), he has had a long of recovery because of what has happened.
COSBY: Now, I understand the sad irony of all of this, is that dad, who we just saw there, was basically saying, no, my child is fine and was getting
in some trouble for not giving him the surgeries that mom wanted. And now it turns out he`s the good guy, right?
DELANEY (via telephone): Yes, it`s interesting, because you mentioned the shocking number. I mean, how crazy, 323 doctors visits, 13 major surgeries.
Can you imagine what has been done to that child?
He was telling people right from the get-go, it wasn`t right, but nobody believed him. They were going after him, in fact, and finally it`s turned
around.
COSBY: Let me ask you, what was the break in the case? How do they determine that mom was lying and do we know that mom was lying or she was
just so screwed up and didn`t realize and creating, fabricating something even in her own mind?
DELANEY (via telephone): Oh, they`re saying that she, it could be fabrication, but, definitely, she was lying, at least the hospital staff is
saying that as they knew that something wasn`t right. Eventually, they knew that it wasn`t right.
It kept happening with the child. So they contacted CPS. And that`s when things turned around. They had to go back a couple years. Finally, the
removal of not only Christopher but the two half siblings as well from her care just, you know, the other month, late last month.
COSBY: And one of things I`m asking, Kate, was she cognizant and aware that she was lying?
DELANEY (via telephone): From what I`m told is the belief is that she was cognizant but there is some debate on that.
COSBY: Yes, that`s a very important point, I agree. Dr. Charles Sophy, obviously, they are going to try to bring in a whole bunch of mental
experts. She clearly got a mental problem. We know about the Munchausen by proxy, all this stuff. But it`s important to know, was she aware that she
was lying? You saw where I was going there.
SOPHY: Yes, absolutely. She was aware. The problem is though that where is the other side of this for the medical community? Are they seeing the
clinical things that they should be seeing? Lab results or physical problems that are supporting with what the mom is saying to end up with all
of that.
COSBY: Dr. Sophy, that was my first thought. What is up with the medical community? How could you allow 323 visits? You know it has to be
documented.
SOPHY: Right.
COSBY: Thirteen surgeries. What is up with the medical community to have allowed this?
SOPHY: That`s right. That`s my issue. It`s like, you know, you can have a mom who has got some issues and she`s trying to get the child sicker. But
at a certain point, you start to connect the dots. And there is a lot of dots here to connect to come up with a story that says something isn`t
right, a long time ago.
COSBY: Yes. It`s absolutely shocking. What about the effect also? Let`s talk about on this poor little boy. The effect of these unwanted surgeries.
I cannot imagine. I know that`s a part of the custody now going to the father, who seems to love and care for him. So I`m happy that there is a
happy ending here for him.
But part of it is also psychological therapy because doctors as you know, there is going to be physical wounds clearly with these surgery. Anybody
who goes through these kinds of surgeries, it doesn`t matter if you are super healthy, but if you`re a young child, that`s lot of trauma to the
body. What about the emotional trauma, too, doctor?
SOPHY: Absolutely. The emotional trauma for this young boy is that he has learned how to be helpless. He has learned to need people and not believe
in himself. So, the road ahead of him is to really build himself, learn that he isn`t as helpless as he has been taught to be.
And in a much better way for this child, kids heal really well, and they`re very resilient, so I think if they really address these issues for him and
give him the help that he needs, within a year or so, you are going to see a huge change in this boy.
COSBY: Yes, let`s hope so, certainly, he deserves the best. Let`s go to Alex Sanchez, defense attorney. In the middle of all this too also, Alex,
you heard where I was going, first of all, what is up with the doctors?
I mean, you could make a case that this poor boy has gone through trauma. I would like to know what kind of medical professionals.
SANCHEZ: Thank God after 325 visits and 13 surgeries --
COSBY: Unbelievable.
SANCHEZ: -- somebody began to ask questions, hey, wait a minute, what`s going on here?
[18:45:00] COSBY: Right.
SANCHEZ: The primary question in this case is, did the mother, was she intentionally committing some type of a fraud?
COSBY: You heard, that is where I was going too. What did she confess to? We don`t know. Did she confess, yes, I know I was lying or they finally
realize that she has got some enormous psychological issue and is not coherent?
SANCHEZ: More likely than not from what I`m seeing, more likely than not, she probably has some deep-seeded psychological problems --
COSBY: You think?
SANCHEZ: -- which she, you know, engaged in this type of behavior. And unfortunately this particular condition is very, very unknown. There is not
much known about it. There is very little treatment for it because the people that suffer from it do not cooperate with doctors.
COSBY: That`s why the (INAUDIBLE) has to be doctors because as you point out, to have 323 visits, so many bells should have been going off in the
medical community. Could someone in the medical community even be held liable, if there are injuries to this child as a result?
SANCHEZ: I think they could. Isn`t things computerized this day?
COSBY: As it should be.
SANCHEZ: When you go to one doctor or prescription, and doesn`t one surgeon demand records from prior surgeon? Why are they giving feeding tubes and
opening up the body and examining the body without properly investigating this? Somebody is negligent somewhere.
COSBY: And the other thing, too, she put up these sites, asking "GoFundMe" pages, saying, look, my boy has cancer, please help. What about the money?
What happens to those things right now? The money that came in for this poor child?
SANCHEZ: Again, if she did this with the express intention of committing a fraud, she can go to jail. But something tells me, her mind is so distorted
that that wasn`t really her primary objective. Her P#primary objective was probably in her own mind to raise money to help a child, but it was
obviously distorted thinking.
COSBY: It sure was. And thank God they finally crackdown on her. Thank God, anybody, everybody.
A New Mexico mom has been arrested for aggravated DWI and cops say that she was topless and covered in blood when they found her behind the wheel, and
her child was freezing in the backseat. The details are straight ahead.
[18:50:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
COSBY: And this is Rita Cosby here, in for Ashleigh Banfield. In Santa Fe, New Mexico, workers at a McDonald`s had reported a car crash into a post in
the parking lot. While police dispatched to the scene said they found a lot more than that.
They found a young mom topless, wearing only underpants and covered in blood in her mini van. It was the middle of the night and Jennifer Jensen
had her four-year-old daughter in the backseat.
Police say the little girl was absolutely freezing and wearing thin PJs, no shoes and no jacket. When police officers arrived, Jensen was acting very
agitated and incoherent, and they tried to help the girl.
(START VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where are you coming from, ma`am?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Huh?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where are you coming from?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Give her a blanket.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I already have a 10,000 --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you cold?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes? Want to go sit in my truck? It`s nice and warm in my truck.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COSBY: And as police assess the scene, they say they also found an open bottle of vodka in the car. Jensen was charged with aggravated DWI and also
child abuse.
Now, let`s go back to defense attorney Alex Sanchez. Alex, when you hear this, topless, the baby doesn`t have shoes on, no jacket, it`s freezing,
not good.
SANCHEZ: I have to concede the effects of this case were absolutely crazy.
COSBY: Yes, it`s nuts.
SANCHEZ: It`s the craziness of the case that is going to formulate the defense, right? You are going to bring up the fact that she was in a car --
COSBY: She`s nuts and drunk and reckless.
SANCHEZ: Yes, drunk and reckless and a freezing kid in the car. You get a mental health evaluation. Maybe she doesnt have a prior record. Maybe she
has a history of alcoholism. You present that to the district attorney and the judge and you throw yourself --
COSBY: And her kid was freezing. The child was freezing.
SANCHEZ: And you throw yourself --
COSBY: She`s in trouble.
SANCHEZ: -- upon the mercy of the court.
COSBY: That`s all she can do because it`s just so bad.
SANCHEZ: She`s got some problems.
COSBY: Yes, she sure does. I know you can see it on that one. Everybody, we have an update on the story that we brought you earlier tonight. Here are
some of the details on that, in that particular case that was involving a mom who had been taken into custody after the remains of a five-year-old,
believed to be her son, were discovered in the backyard.
That mom, Larissa Rodriquez, has not yet been officially charged with murder. Police has clarified that she is being held on suspicion of murder
and charges could come as soon as tomorrow.
And on another story, a police officer from Florida has taken on a wild and terrifying ride when he`s dragged away by a speeding car. Look at this.
That`s next.
[18:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
COSBY: And I`m Rita Cosby. Tonight in Florida at Pembroke Pines, a police officer is recovering after being dragged by a speeding car for more than
half a mile.
(START VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
COSBY (voice over): Yikes. The officer was responding to a possible overdose call. He awoke the suspect in the car. That`s when the guy took
off with the officer hanging on for dear life, as you can see. He held on for about 20 seconds before he let go, rolling free of the tires.
The officer lost his shoes during the wild ride and suffered severe road rash injuries, but was discharged from the hospital earlier today.
The suspect in the meantime, Thomas Cabrera, is facing a laundry list of charges including attempted felony murder of a police officer.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COSBY: And tonight in Texas, a desperate search for a missing infant. Her mother was found stabbed to death, but there is no sign of the baby. In the
next hour of "Crime and Justice," we`re going to talk about that. That starts right now.
(START VIDEO CLIP)
[19:00:00] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A Texas woman stabbed to death in her apartment. Her nephew found the body, but no one can find her newborn baby.
If dad didn`t take little Chamali, who did?
The hunt for a missing 5-year-old boy but then remains are found in his mother`s backyard. Though the horror Jordan went through may have started
months ago.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She claims that he had issues drinking milk.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And also claimed he had cancer.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She preceded there was something wrong with her child.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A mom reportedly putting her son in the hospital over 300 times.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And I hate he had to go through that. I hate it. I hate it so much.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When officials say nothing was wrong with him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He almost died three different times due to infections from 13 different surgeries.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tonight, she loses custody.
And a 40-foot fall from a freeway overpass is only the beginning of the chase.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m in the woods right now.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For a wrong-way driver who somehow survived.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You just dropped about 40 feet. All right?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I thought he was dead.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
RITA COSBY, HLN HOST: And good evening, everybody. I`m Rita Cosby, WABC radio host, in for Ashleigh Banfield tonight. And this is the second hour
of CRIME AND JUSTICE.
Tonight, a newborn baby is without her mother because yesterday afternoon, 33-year-old Carolina Flores was found stabbed to death in her Houston
apartment just six weeks after giving birth to beautiful little Chamali. But the story gets worse because Carolina`s nephew found her body
yesterday, but no one can find baby Chamali.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CHIEF ART ACEVEDO, HOUSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT: Yesterday officers responded to the scene here of a kidnapped newborn baby named Chamali Flores, that`s
Chamali Flores with an s at the end and the stabbing debt of her mother, Carolina Miranda Flores.
Overnight, with the assistance of the FBI, investigators tracked down an individual believed to be the baby`s father. He was forthright and
corporative and cooperative with investigators. Investigators are currently speaking with the victim`s family, friends and neighbors to an effort to
develop leads in this case. To this end, we are asking the public to come forward with any information to help us safely find this newborn and return
her to her family.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COSBY: And let`s go immediately to the chief of police there in Houston, Art Acevedo.
Chief Acevedo, let me ask you really quick, what do we know in terms of the details? This is just such a sad case all the way around.
ACEVEDO (on the phone): A mother during the holiday season has been taken and violently murdered by a suspect and her child is missing. We got a 6-
week-old baby girl that is missing, and we desperately need the public to help us find this little girl. That`s for me the most important thing right
now and then secondarily, finding the murder. I think when we find the murder, we will find the baby.
COSBY: Is there anything you suspect chief? Because, of course, the first thing I think about, I covered so many of these cases before, it`s a young
baby, a 6-week-old baby. Do you believe it`s someone who wants the baby for their own to sort of pose as a new mother or something like that? What do
you suspect was behind this?
ACEVEDO: Well, I mean, we suspect this is someone that is actually familiar with the family and the neighborhood in the greens point area of Houston.
We suspect that this person knows them fairly well. And we are asking anybody in the public to keep an eye for this baby. Look at this picture,
print it, keep it with you, and think about someone who is either suddenly has a baby that you didn`t know about or suddenly lost a baby within the
last year or so and anything that you think is suspicious, please just send it our way. Call crime stoppers or call the Houston police department.
COSBY: You mentioned also, chief, that the mother was found, as we know, murdered too. Was there anything? Was there a weapon found nearby? Was
there signs of forced entry in the home because her body was in that apartment?
ACEVEDO: Well again, because of the fact we didn`t find any forced entry force, we think someone that knows this family, knows this mother, knows
Carolina. And again, we are little hopeful that someone will have information. But someone will see that baby`s picture and pay attention
here in Texas because there is a high probability this baby is still somewhere in the greater Houston area and in this part of the state of
Texas. And we are just hopeful that someone will see something and immediate call 91 1.
[19:05:10] COSBY: You know, as I look at this picture, the baby is just such a beautiful little baby and just such a helpless victim of this crime.
It must be so heartbreaking for you personally. You covered so many of these cases but to see just a six-week-old infant, mother dead and
obviously, you know, it`s different than an adult. An adult can try to leave some clues and try to reach something. It`s just much more desperate
especially when you are dealing with a six-week-old infant.
ACEVEDO: You know, you nailed it on the head. Very few things bother police officers as much as children being victims. And this child, her entire
future with her mother has been stolen from her. Her mother will never see her, you know, graduate from school, never see her walk, never see her run,
never see her get married, the things that, you know, a little girl dreams about with her mother. And so that baby is out there somewhere. We are
prayerful she is out there somewhere. We got the FBI working with us. We are not going to leave any stone unturned.
This family is a Honduran family. They speak fluent Spanish. And so, we are hopeful that community here in the Houston area will come forward. I`m
pretty confident somebody somewhere will see this child and we need that somebody in this holiday season to call us right away.
COSBY: Absolutely. And thank you for putting that plea out there because as you point out, it is holiday season with a heartbreaking story. And look,
let`s pray it`s somebody that just wanted the baby for their own and then in turn, the baby is safe and hopefully being protected and treasured as
the baby should be, chief.
Let`s go to Jeff Boney. He is the associate editor with the Houston Forward Times.
Jeff, let me ask you, the chief hit it on the head, also, about the history of this mom because it seems that if somebody knew her, knew the family or
at least watching them to be able to go into the home without forced entry. And there is a heartbreaking story because apparently the mom moved here
from Honduras five years ago for a better life, right? This is such a sad tragic story.
JEFFREY BONEY, ASSOCIATE EDITOR, HOUSTON FORWARD TIMES (on the phone): Right. Carolina`s family says she moved here to the United States about
five years ago from Honduras and she worked at a local hotel with also (INAUDIBLE) in addition to baby Chamali. Carolina, she had a two older
children ages 17 and seven and also taking care of a niece and nephew. The nephew, of course, found her dead, you know, on the floor of her apartment
in Greens Point.
Now Carolina`s cousin, Jimmy Lopez had said that after Carolina had baby Chamali in November, you know, she appeared to start acting funny, acting
differently, wouldn`t talk about the baby`s father and her cousin also said that Carolina appeared to be afraid but wouldn`t go to the police because
she was in the country illegally.
COSBY: Now when you said she started to act unusual about the baby`s father, what do you mean by that? What were you hearing? Was she worried
somebody was going to do something to her or the baby?
BONEY: Well, according to her cousin, she never met the baby`s father. She never -- Carolina never wanted to talk about the baby`s father, but what
she had, Carolina`s cousin started to notice that Carolina started just acting differently, wasn`t her normal self. Would never talk about the
baby`s father again. Seemed to be scared because whatever reason, maybe things going on in the house wouldn`t go to police because she was in the
country illegally. And now, again, as the chief Acevedo said, they went and found the father, Thomas (INAUDIBLE) but when they located him and found,
the baby wasn`t with him and he denied having any involvement in the murder and kidnapping of baby Chamali.
COSBY: Yes. And indeed he does he is not involved. What do we know about the dad, too, Jeff? Is there any history with the dad because it sounds
like there is still some weird history between her and the dad?
BONEY: Yes. So we don`t know a whole lot about the father, other than the fact he was the father and that he would in San Antonio at the time, that
he was located. But more, you know, what we do know is that police investigated him and have not found him to be -- well, he is still a person
of interest but not been found to be the person that has been found to have kidnapped the baby or murdered the 33-year-old mother, Carolina Flores.
COSBY: Let`s go to former FBI agent and investigator and CNN law enforcement contributor Steve Moore.
Steve, there is a lot of unanswered questions in this case. You just heard that. They are looking at the dad but right at this point says look, he has
no involvement. They are not sure if he has involvement or not. I mean, they have to look at everything at this point. Where would you look as an
investigator at this point?
[19:10:05] STEVE MOORE, FORMER FBI AGENT AND INVESTIGATOR: Well, I would look exactly where they did look. You got to go statistically. It`s going
to be somebody possibly related to her, either by marriage or by sharing a baby. So that`s one of the first places you are going to look.
But then you are going to go and spread out a little bit. Remember, they said he was corporative and he was forthcoming. Sometimes you don`t know
how forthcoming they were. I mean, you can say all sorts of things and appear to be cooperating, but that doesn`t mean you`re telling the truth.
So while they got enough information to believe that he is probably legitimate, they can`t let that arrest. They can`t just assume that they
have covered that lead. Now they have gone to a different direction, which is another statistically probable thing it could be someone that wanted a
child like this.
COSBY: You know, the other thing you got to look and you know this, Steve, we both covered a lot of these cases. You have to look. They say no sign of
forced entry. So that`s helpful, I think, big time because it`s not just some random person off the street. So if that`s the case, where do they
look now to see and apparently, they believe that she was killed sometime between 6:30 and 10:30 in the morning, early in the morning, that`s
daytime. That`s pretty brazen, Steve Moore?
MOORE: Yes. It`s absolutely brazen. What is interesting to me about that is that crimes of passion, murders, angry murders generally don`t happen at
6:00 in the morning.
COSBY: Yes. And by the way, Steve, also, repeated stabbing. So that also shows to me to be, you know, direct access that also shows such a personal
attack.
MOORE: Yes. And it`s, to me, 6:00 to 10:00 a.m. sounds like the beginning of a plan, get the baby early in the morning and go somewhere. You have to
get somewhere by a certain time. So I would be looking at that, at the time of the crime as a specific indication. And then I would also want to know
who could show up at 6:00 a.m. or 6:30 or 7:00 a.m. and not cause some kind of concern?
COSBY: That`s exactly my thought to who knows that pattern? Because to go to somebody else`s house in the morning, people are getting ready for
breakfast. They are doing whatever. They clearly knew somehow that was a window of opportunity or maybe they were trying to take the baby and
something happened. She saw them.
MOORE: Right. And I would look for several things. Number one, you are going to get on the victim`s phone, cell phone, see if anybody has talked
to her recently. If any unusual communications or people who are contacting her that are from her past or just an (INAUDIBLE) friendship. That would be
interesting.
You are also going to look for fingerprints, physical evidence in the house. There is just so much. You are also going to be looking to see if
anybody tries to get documents for that baby or any baby, even a stillborn baby born six weeks ago so that they can, they got to establish an I.D. for
this child. And once they start seeing somebody attempting to do that, that`s going to be a big lead.
COSBY: Absolutely.
Let`s go to defense attorney Alex Sanchez.
Alex, there are so many unanswered questions in this case. Where would you look at this point?
ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, one of the things I notice in this reporting and the FBI agent was pretty on target with that, they have not
definitively ruled out the father. I`m not saying he had anything to do with it but the FBI and the police have said he definitely had nothing to
do with it. He was elsewhere. We can prove it. He was, you know, hundreds of miles away.
COSBY: What about bringing somebody in to do it or something --? Can`t rule that out.
SANCHEZ: No, you can`t. But I think that the sooner they rule him out the better so they can concentrate on other suspects. But I have a feeling that
they are not letting on everything they know and they are concentrating on their chief`s, the person they believe may be involved and one of those
persons is probably the father in this case. That they suspect may have something to do with this. I`m not saying he did, but I believe that they
are very suspicious of him and probably looking in there trying to nail it down.
COSBY: Yes, absolutely. And so many unanswered questions. It`s so hard at this point. And as you say, they have to have something for them. I hear
the cop and you and I covered a lot of cases through the years. We just heard the chief. We believe, you know, that it was somebody they know. They
say no sign of forced entry. I do think they know a lot more than they are saying.
SANCHEZ: They are being very cautious, which is good because police should be cautious. So they should not jump to conclusions. They should establish
evidence, establish records like the FBI agent said, electronic records, phone records, text records, Facebook records, do everything else and once
you zero in on the subject and have enough information, then you go and arrest then and you prosecute them. And I think that`s what they are
probably doing at this point.
COSBY: Honing in maybe towards the father possibly and again at this point not charged.
SANCHEZ: Again, we don`t know.
COSBY: Absolutely.
Let`s go to Steve Moore real quick.
Steve, let me ask you. Do you think that this will be resolved? My gut is yes and I hope so for this family.
[19:15:00] MOORE: Yes, I think this is going to be resolved. And I think it is going to be resolved sooner rather than later because this is not -- you
can`t hide like this in plain sight. Something is going to come up. Somebody is going to talk about it. And as Alex said, the police and the
FBI, it`s interesting that they haven`t cleared him. All they have said is that the father has been corporative. So --
COSBY: Yes. The lingo, don`t you think, Steve? You hear the lingo. You and I heard that lingo. It is like there is a little bit to read into that.
MOORE: Look. You and Alex and I can read between the lines on that, you know. If they want to say he is clear, we are not looking at him, that`s
exactly what they would say. And they haven`t said that. So sometimes what you don`t hear is as significant as what you do.
COSBY: Yes, absolutely. And listen, of course, we pray that baby is found as we head into the holidays, everybody. And also that the killer of his
mother is certainly found. And we will keep you posted here on CRIME AND JUSTICE.
And in Ohio, the remains of a five-year-old special needs boy are found buried in the backyard and police say his mother is the one who put him
there. Those details straight ahead.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
[19:20:14] COSBY: And this is Rita Cosby here in for Ashleigh Banfield.
It was only a matter of hours after the search began for a missing five- year-old boy that human remains were found in his mother`s Cleveland backyard and they are believed to be his. But police didn`t even know that
Jordan was missing when they got an unexpected call from, of all places, Pakistan alerting them of his possible burial.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Basically, he told me that something happened with one of the kids, and they didn`t call the cops and basically he buried him, he
and his girlfriend buried the kid in the backyard. It`s not his kid, it`s one of her kids.
What he told me was he came home, his girlfriend called him, he rushed home, and then like I think the little boy is about four or five. Now mind
you, I only seen the kid like one time. So I couldn`t tell you who they are or what it`s about. But he told me that the boy was unresponsive. And I was
like OK. He said well this kid had a lot of problems, like he had one lung and one kidney. And I don`t even know if that part is true because I don`t
know these kids because he is only been with this girl for two years and I have been like overseas.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The mom?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COSBY: And now the mom, Larissa Rodriguez is in custody. We are hearing that she is facing some serious charges.
A woman with nine children, pregnant with the tenth. Five of them that have been living in that house where there were allegations of abuse and
horrifying conditions. Tonight, police are working to determine when Jordan actually went missing and what happened to him while his aunts mourn the
loss of their nephew.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ANA RODRIGUEZ, JORDAN`S AUNT: He is sweet. He was a premature, you know. He was just a sweet kid. He didn`t talk much. He was delayed.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COSBY: And joining me now is Sergeant Jennifer Caccia. She is the PIO for the Cleveland police.
Jennifer Caccia, thank you very much for being with us. First, let me ask you what we know is there is some latest in terms of charges against the
mother?
SGT. JENNIFER CACCIA, PIO, CLEVELAND DIVISION OF POLICE (on the phone): She was charged today with murder, felonious assault and some other felonies.
COSBY: She was. So what do we know that actually pinpointed her? And if you can take us back to that phone call, of all places, from Pakistan?
CACCIA: Well, officers received that call actually into our dispatch center and they were sent over to a home. And you know, as you can imagine, that`s
kind of an odd way for a missing person`s report to come in. So obviously, the missing person`s report wasn`t initiated by the parent parents, which
would be more common.
They interviewed the mother. She wasn`t able to provide any verifiable whereabouts for this five-year-old child. And throughout the course of the
investigation, they took her into custody. She was able to provide some information relative to where the child was. We obtained search warrants
for the home and for the yard and went ahead and through the course of the investigation, executed those search warrants with the help of partnering
law enforcement agencies. The FBI`s evidence response team came out to assist us and along with the Cuyahoga county medical examiner`s office.
COSBY: And so, what about the husband? What about -- not the husband but the boyfriend because it`s so bizarre that it`s his brother who is calling
from Pakistan.
CACCIA: Yes, that is interesting for sure. He is actually in jail in Medina County, which is about an hour from Cleveland on unrelated charges. So we
just have the information that he had provided through his brother and then our investigators obviously are in touch and interviewing him, as well.
COSBY: Now as you point out, he is behind bars but could he face something else, sergeant? Could he face more serious charges?
CACCIA: Yes, absolutely.
COSBY: All right. Let`s go to Sia Nyorkor. She is a reporter with the CNN affiliate WOIAO. She is outside the home where Jordan`s remains were found.
And Sia, let me ask you because what do we know about the dynamics here? Take us back again from this bizarre phone call in Pakistan that comes from
the boyfriend`s brother. And again, the boyfriend is not the father of the baby but it is so bizarre that suddenly a call from Pakistan comes in.
SIA NYORKOR, REPORTER, WOIAO: Rita, absolutely is bizarre as the details come out, they are absolutely horrific. And to think that this did just
start with a call from Pakistan and everyone wondered, you know, what was the relation? Why from Pakistan? And when police got here Monday when they
got that call and searched and didn`t find anything, but then started talking with the mother, Larissa Rodriguez, and she couldn`t tell them,
give them an address of phone number contacted for where her five-year-old Jordan was and everything just came together when they found those human
remains yesterday right here in this backyard.
[19:25:35] COSBY: Let me ask you, Sia, about the alibi that the mom claimed and apparently the boyfriend, who is also living with her, that they both
claimed this bizarre alibi that Jordan, this beautiful little boy that we have been seeing the pictures of, that what she gave him over to somebody
who was quote "a donor, the aunt of a donor" and - but couldn`t remember the number, couldn`t remember the address. I mean, this is bizarre alibi so
it seems.
CACCIA: Yes. We have been hearing those stories and those reports, too. In fact, actually, Larissa`s sisters, I spoke with them yesterday and they
referenced the donor. They referenced the multiple fathers that her children have. And so, we are really just trying to piece everything
together and figure out, you know, what is truth and what is fiction.
COSBY: Yes. And in fact, I want to play a little bit. As you mentioned, the sister of Larissa even was complaining about problems in the home. And here
is a little bit of what she had to say about this sad history what was happening to this beautiful child.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
RODRIGUEZ: That boy was sick. That boy was special needs, premature. He needed help. And all they did was (bleep) beat on that little boy.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COSBY: You know, when I hear this, Sia, I get so angry.
Here is the sister of the mother saying that there is a blatant history that took place here and that child protective services were coming over
and checking constantly. I mean, there are so many balls dropped here. Tell us about the history because they are supposed to protect that child from
anybody including the parents.
CACCIA: Rita, we did some digging today. And we found that there are history of calls dating back to actually 2002 police calls. Some here at
this home, some at other rest residences with Larissa. And you know, like I mentioned, some of them are domestic violence. Some of them are assault.
But definitely child family services has been to this home several times over the years. And unfortunately, like the sisters told us on camera
yesterday, they would come. They would check things out and then they would close the case because they couldn`t find evidence of anything.
COSBY: And Sia, I have to ask you one of the claims that I was seeing that when child protective services, they get this call from Pakistan, finally
they have an epiphany and they decide to come over. And they go over, again, we don`t know if, as you point out, they had some contact since
2002, but they go over. And the conditions that they found the other children living in the house were deplorable.
And Sia, there is some report that they found, what, cockroaches and rats. And this to me is one of the most heartbreaking things. One of the kids was
scene eating by one of the rats from child protective services where you try to put your best face forward, seen eating a sandwich with cockroaches
in it, is that right?
CACCIA: Yes, those are the reports. That is exactly what the sisters told us yesterday. They mentioned coming over here and seeing the kids just
living in terrible conditions and they tried to get those kids help. That was her two sisters Ana and Michelle that you saw there on camera earlier.
But yes, they mentioned that. It`s a heartbreaking when you think about it.
COSBY: Absolutely. It`s disgusting.
Sia, thank you very much.
Let`s go to Dr. Charles Sophy. He is the medical director of the Los Angeles County department of children and family services.
Dr. Sophy, when you hear these conditions, it is absolutely deplorable. What do you make? I mean, this sounds like such an unbelievable severe case
that the sister of the mother was complaining repeatedly.
DR. CHARLES SOPHY, MEDICAL DIRECTOR, L.A. COUNTY, DCFS: Absolutely. I`m outraged, as well as you are. I mean, 15 years of calls that have gone on
about this woman and still there weren`t dots connected enough to take the children or help her in some way. There was clearly, this was not the first
time that the conditions in that home were deplorable.
Besides that, this mother must have some sense of mental illness or substance abuse because anyone who is functioning on that level isn`t in
their right mind. There is something else going on that was obviously missed here.
[19:30:03] COSBY: And Dr. Sophy, it`s a heartbreaking thing to think about that poor little boy. They believe the remains were in the backyard. They
clearly have now tied it, it looks like, because they charge the mother with murder in the last few minutes.
SOPHY: Yes.
COSBY: But as we are going through all of this, how can we determine how long his remains had been there? Because it sounds like the brother in
Pakistan was worried about maybe him getting pulled in because it sounds like he was aware for some time that they "buried the child", that they
found the baby, they said unresponsive. Can we tell what happened to the baby? Clearly, they -- it doesn`t look like authorities believe the story
and two, can we tell how long the baby has been there sadly?
SOPHY: Yes, the fact that this man called from Pakistan tells us how disturbed he was on some level to even think this was happening but also,
probably to cover himself. Yes, there is a way to determine the age of the -- of the death and the bones. All of that will be done by the coroner to
be able to give us all that forensic type information to put the pieces together and make this picture look like it works.
COSBY: Absolutely. And Alex Sanchez, you hear this, how do you defend this woman? I mean, this is just -- you got the sister complaining, you got the
body found, you got the call saying there is a body in the backyard they find, now it looks like confirmed to be the remains, they probably would
not have charged the mother if they didn`t feel it was the boy and had evidence now. How do you defend this woman?
ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: There`s a third question that needs to be asked, who killed the child? Do we know who killed the child?
COSBY: No. From what we understand, she and also the boyfriend seem to say that -- just showed up and the baby was unresponsive.
SANCHEZ: Right. OK.
COSBY: But there`s a history of abuse.
SANCHEZ: But -- right. But how do you know who killed the child? That`s an -- that`s an important question. First of all, we need to find out how did
the child die? It`s within the realm of possibility the child died of natural causes for some other reason. But let`s say the child was killed,
how do we know who killed the child? Was it the boyfriend or was it her? Did she bury a dead child because someone else had killed that child? It`s
a crime to dispose of a dead body.
(CROSSTALK)
COSBY: -- he said like come home and the baby -- it just seems too circumstantial.
SANCHEZ: Yes.
COSBY: All this history of child protective services, the kids are eating roaches in their sandwiches.
SANCHEZ: Yes. That`s terrible. You know something, the people that should be brought up on charges, criminal charges are the protective services
department of that community because in 15 years and they don`t take any type of action, I`m angrier at them than I am at the mother at this point.
COSBY: Well, shame on you. They`re equally culpable not for the murder but there`s clearly negligence by that child protection service.
SANCHEZ: She`s got, obviously, has serious mental health issues, no question about it. But they`re responsible too.
COSBY: Yes. Absolutely. But don`t try to pawn it off that she is -- if it sounds like that they have something clearly to tie her with murder, don`t
you think?
SANCHEZ: I do.
COSBY: All right. Glad you finally agree. I knew I`d get an answer out of him. All right. In Kentucky, a traffic stop turned into a manhunt when a
wrong-way driver accidentally fell off the side of a highway overpass while officers were actually talking to him. Amanda Kelley from CNN affiliate,
WLWT explains.
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AMANDA KELLEY, WLWT REPORTER: A trucker driving the wrong way on 471 was about to end up in handcuffs earlier this month for outstanding warrants
but watch what happens next.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re under arrest.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For what?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`ll tell you in a second.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stop.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Put your hand behind your back.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t have any warrants.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Listen.
KELLEY: The driver tripped over road debris and fell about 40 feet off the overpass.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I need a Newport squad to go under the bridge. Subject resisting fell over the side of the bridge.
KELLEY: Bellevue Police rushed to search for the suspect who amazingly got up and ran.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m in the woods right now. I`m sure you can see my light. I heard him somewhere in this area.
KELLEY: Newport`s K-9 arrived to help and track the driver down in the woods but then the man put the dog in a choke hold.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get off my dog!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s biting me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get off my dog!
KELLEY: Officers tased the driver and handcuffed him while they waited for an ambulance, not quite sure how he survived.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey man, you need to stop rolling around. You just dropped about 40 feet, all right?
(END VIDEOTAPE)
COSBY: And WLWT reports that the driver was treated for his injuries and cited for resisting arrest. And people who know eight-year-old Christopher
Bowen always thought it was a miracle he was alive. He spent his life seeing doctors and specialists but now police say that none of his health
issues are real and that his mother made it all up.
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[19:39:04] COSBY: And everybody, I`m Rita Cosby here in for Ashleigh Banfield. A woman in Texas reportedly took her son to the hospital 323
times before the staff raised the alarm. Officials say he had a feeding tube inserted in him and had been getting medication for seizures but it
seems it was all unnecessary because they say his mother made it all up. All of his health problems, lying to doctors for years. Starting when he
was a baby when police say she poured out his unfinished milk and even posting pictures like this on Facebook saying that eight-year-old
Christopher had cancer. Now she is charged with injury to a child but for Christopher`s dad who was awarded custody of hymn just a few hours ago, too
much damage has been done.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[19:40:02] RYAN CRAWFORD, CHRISTOPHER BOWEN`S FATHER: No one wants to believe me until it was almost too late. He almost died three different
times due to infections from the 13 different surgeries. So he has a -- he has long road ahead of him and I hate that he had to go through that. I
hate it. I hate it so much.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COSBY: Heartbreaking to see. Well, Kate Delaney joins me now. She`s an investigative reporter, she`s also a syndicated radio host. Let me to go
you, Kate, first of all, the new news this dad who you just bawling there and it`s so heartbreaking to see, he`s finally gotten custody, correct?
KATE DELANEY, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER (via telephone): Yes. Thank goodness. And you said it you saw him bawling obviously overwhelmed, can you imagine
eight-year-old Christopher Bowen whose son just a wreck and like he said a long road of recovery because of what`s happened.
COSBY: Now, I understand the sad irony of all of this is that dad who we just saw there was basically saying no, my child is fine and was getting in
some trouble for not giving him the surgeries that mom wanted and now it turns out he`s the good guy, right?
DELANEY: Yes. And it`s interesting because you mentioned the shocking number. I mean, how crazy that 323 doctor visits, 13 major surgeries. Can
you imagine what`s been done to that child and he was telling people right from the get-go it wasn`t right but nobody believed him and they were going
after him in fact and it`s finally it turned around.
COSBY: Let me ask you, what was the break in the case? How did they determine that mom was lying and do we know that mom was lying or just so
screwed up and didn`t realize and creating fabricating something even in her own mind?
DELANEY: Well, they`re saying that she -- it could be fabrication but definite she was lying. At least the hospital staff is saying that and they
knew that something wasn`t right eventually. They knew that it wasn`t right what`s kept happening with this child, so they contacted CPS and that`s
when things turned around. And you, you know, you have to go back a couple of years and finally the removal of not only Christopher but the two half-
siblings, as well from her care just, you know, the other month, late last month.
COSBY: And one of the things I`m asking though, Kate, is was she cognizant and aware that she was lying?
DELANEY: From what I`m told is she believes that she was cognizant but there`s some debate on that.
COSBY: Yes. That`s a very important point. I agree. Dr. Charles Sophy, obviously they`re going to try to bring in a whole bunch of mental experts.
She`s clearly got a mental problem and we know about the Munchausen by proxy, all those stuff, but it`s important to know, was she aware that she
was lying? You saw where I was going there?
SOPHY: Yes, absolutely. She was aware. The problem is, though, that where is the other side of this where the medical community, are they seeing the
clinical things that they should be seeing? Lab results or physical problems that are supporting what the mom is saying? And we end up with all
of that.
COSBY: Yes. Dr. Sophie, that was my first thought. What is up with the medical community? How could you allow 323 visits? You know it`s got to be
documented. 13 surgeries, what is up with the medical community to have allowed this?
SOPHY: That`s right, and that`s my issue. It`s like, you know, you can have a mom who`s got some issues an she`s trying to get a child sicker but at a
certain point, you start to connect the dots and there`s a lot of dots to connect to come up with a story that says something isn`t right along time
ago.
COSBY: Yes. It`s absolutely shocking. What -- the effect also, let`s talk about on this poor little boy, the effect of these unwanted surgeries. I
cannot imagine. I know that`s sort of part of the custody now going to the father who seems to love and care for him. So I`m happy that there is a
happy ending here for him but part of it is also psychological therapy because, Doctor, as you know, there`s going to be physical wounds clearly
with these surgeries. Anybody who goes through these kind of surgeries, that doesn`t matter if you`re super healthy but if you`re a young child,
that`s a lot of trauma to the body. What about the emotional trauma, too, Doctor?
SOPHY: Absolutely. And the emotional trauma for this young boy is that he`s learned how to be helpless and he`s learned to need people and not believe
in himself. So the road ahead of him is so to build himself, learn that he isn`t helpless as he`s been taught to be and in a better -- much better way
for this child kids heal really well and they`re very resilient. So, I think if they really address these issues for him and give him the help
that he needs, within a year or so, you`re going to see a huge change in this boy.
COSBY: Yes. Let`s hope so certainly. He deserves the best. Let`s go to Alex Sanchez, defense attorney. In the middle of all of this too, also, Alex,
you heard where I was going. First of all, what is up with the doctors? I mean, you could make a case that this poor boy has gone through trauma. I
would like to know what kind of medical professionals.
SANCHEZ: Thank god after 325 visits and 13 surgeries --
COSBY: Unbelievable. Right.
SANCHEZ: -- somebody began to ask questions, wait a minute, what`s going on here?
[19:45:00] COSBY: Right.
SANCHEZ: You know, the primary question, in this case, is did the mother, was she intentionally committing some type of fraud?
COSBY: Well, you know, that`s where I was going too.
SANCHEZ: Right.
COSBY: What was she -- what did she confess to? We don`t know, did she confess? Yes, I know I was lying or they finally realized that she`s got
some enormous psychological issue and is not coherent.
SANCHEZ: More likely than that form what I`m seeing, more likely than that she probably has some deep-seeded psychological problem.
COSBY: You think?
SANCHEZ: Which she, you know, engaged in this type of behavior. And unfortunately, this particular condition is very unknown, it`s very --
there`s not much known about it, and there`s very little treatment for it because the people that suffer from it, do not cooperate with doctors.
COSBY: Well, that`s why the back stuff has to be the doctors because as you point out to have 323 visits, somebody`s bell should have been going off in
the medical community. Could someone in the medical community even be held liable if there`s injuries to this child as a result?
SANCHEZ: Isn`t everything computerized this day?
COSBY: They should be.
SANCHEZ: When you go to one doctor or prescriptions and doesn`t one surgeon demand records from prior surgeons and why are they giving feeding tubes
and opening up the body and examining the body without properly investigating this? Somebody`s negligence somewhere there.
COSBY: And the other thing too, she put up these sites asking for go fund me page and saying, look, my boy has cancer, please help. What about the
money? What happens to those things right now? The money that came in for this poor child.
SANCHEZ: Again, if she did this with the expressed intention of committing a fraud, she can go to jail. But something tells me her mind is so
distorted that that wasn`t really the primary objective, a primary objective of his problem in her own mind to raise money, to help the child
but it was obviously distorted thinking.
COSBY: Sure was. And thank god, they finally crack down on her. Thank god. Anybody, everybody, a New Mexico mom has been arrested for aggravated DWI
and cops say that she was topless and covered in blood when they found her behind the wheel. And her child was freezing in the backseat. The details
are straight ahead.
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[19:51:39] COSBY: And this is Rita Cosby herein for Ashleigh Banfield. In San Jose, New Mexico, workers at a McDonald`s had reported a car crash into
a post in the parking lot. Well, police dispatched to the scene said they found -- a lot more than that, they found a young mom topless wearing only
underpants and covered in blood in her minivan. It was the middle of the night and Jennifer Jensen had her four-year-old daughter in the back seat.
Police say the little girl was absolutely freezing and wearing thin PJs, no shoes and no jacket. When police officers arrived, Jensen was acting very
agitated and incoherent and they tried to help the girl.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where are you coming from, ma`am?
JENNIFER JENSEN, DRUNK MOM: Huh?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where are you coming from?
JENSEN: Actually, I was coming from --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get her a blanket.
JENSEN: I already have 10,000 -- check with them.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you cold? Yes? Do you want to sit in my truck? It`s nice and warm in my truck.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COSBY: And as police assess the scene, they say they also found an open bottle of vodka in the car. Jensen was charged with aggravated DWI and also
child abuse. Now let`s go back to defense attorney, Alex Sanchez. Alex, when you hear this, topless, the baby doesn`t have any shoes on, no jacket.
It`s freezing. Not good.
SANCHEZ: And I have to concede the facts of this case are absolutely crazy.
COSBY: Yes. Nuts.
SANCHEZ: It`s the craziness of the case though that`s going to formulate the defense, right? They`re going to bring up the fact that she was in a
car --
COSBY: That she`s nuts and drunk and reckless?
SANCHEZ: Yes. Drunk and reckless and a freezing kid in a car. You get a mental health evaluation, maybe she doesn`t have a prior record, maybe she
was a history of alcoholism. You present that to the district attorney and the judge and you throw yourself.
COSBY: Crazy was -- her child was freezing.
SANCHEZ: And you throw yourself upon the mercy of the court.
COSBY: That`s all she can do because it`s just so bad.
SANCHEZ: She`s got some problems.
COSBY: Yes. She sure does. I know you can see it on that one. And everybody, we have an update on a story that we brought you earlier
tonight. And here are some of the details on that. In that particular case that was involving a mom who had been taken into custody after the remains
of a five-year-old believed to be her son were discovered in the backyard. That mom, Larissa Rodriguez, has not yet been officially charged with
murder. Police just clarified that she`s being held on suspicion of murder and charges could come as soon as tomorrow.
And in another story, a police officer from Florida has taken on a wild and terrifying ride when he`s dragged away by a speeding car. Look at this.
That`s next.
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[19:58:57] COSBY: Tonight, in Florida a Pembroke Pines police officer is recovering after being dragged by a speeding car for more than half a mile.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Three, four, it`s going to be in front of Cambridge and Mine. Whoa, whoa, whoa!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COSBY: The officer was responding to a possible overdose call. He awoke the suspect in the car and that`s when the guy took off with the officer
hanging on for dear life. He held on for about 20 seconds before he let go, rolling free of the tires. The officer lost his shoes during the wild and -
- wild chase and suffered severe road rash injuries but was discharged from the hospital earlier today. The suspect, Thomas Cabrera is facing a laundry
list of charges, including attempted felony murder of a police officer.
And everybody, I`m Rita Cosby, thanks so much for watching. We will see you back here tomorrow night at 6:00 Eastern for CRIME AND JUSTICE.
[20:00:03] "FORENSIC FILES" begins right now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a case, unlike most others.
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