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Crime and Justice With Ashleigh Banfield

Two missing girls in Round Rock, Texas. Mother found dead; Tonya Harding knew about the attack on Nancy Kerrigan. Aired 6-8p ET

Aired January 03, 2018 - 18:00   ET

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[18:00:00] ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HLN HOST: Good evening everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. It is 6:00 eastern and these are your headlines right now.

Tonight, a monumental cold front is threatening the entire country with 11 people dead and meteorologists saying that the worst is yet to come.

Freezing gust of winds referred to as a bomb cyclone expected to strike tomorrow coating New England in upwards of six to 12 inches of snow. You

can also see Niagara Falls right now frozen over. And that is a very unique happening.

There has been a major step for diplomacy today between North and South Korea. Kim Jong-un ordering a 20 minute phone call between those two

countries on a phone line that has gone unused for about two years. That call came just hours after President Trump taunted Kim Jong-un on Twitter

saying that he also has a nuclear button but that, quote, it is much bigger and more powerful, adding that his button works.

Also in the news, a 16-year-old boy is facing four counts of murder in now what has been called a private trial after he allegedly shot and killed his

family with a semi-automatic rifle just minutes before the clock struck midnight on New Year`s Eve. He also could be tried as an adult.

And, a 25-year-old in L.A. is behind bar after a man was shot to death in Kansas in act that is now being talked about across the country as

swatting. But the man who was arrested didn`t pull any trigger. Police say they got a fake phone call from him. His name is Tyler Barriss.

He claimed that someone had killed his father and was holding his family hostage, but Barriss allegedly sent them to another home, the home of an

innocent unknown man to him who had no idea what was going on and he was fatally shot when he lowered his hands towards his waistband upon opening

the door.

And then also tonight, the urgent search continues for two Texas girls who have been missing since Sunday. Take a close look at their faces. They are

missing in a very disturbing set of circumstances. Their mother was found dead at their home outside of Austin, Texas and police are culling her

death suspicious.

Well, her 44-year-old so-called roommate, Terry Allen Miles is nowhere to be seen tonight. He has disappeared along with her Tonya Bates` two young

daughters who also lived at that home. Their names are Lilly and Lulu and they are aged 14 and 7 respectively. And police say that they could be in

the hands of a dangerous career criminal tonight.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was a suspect in a murder north of Sulphur of a Pam Parker in July of `14. We suspected him and his girlfriend at the time. We

did bring it before a grand jury and we didn`t have a lot of evidence in the case. We still believe that he is our prime suspect and person of

interest.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We actually have an open case against him as well and it is a rape against a juvenile.

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BANFIELD: Police in Texas and right across the country right now are on the hunt for this man, Terry Miles. And he`s -- they`re also looking for the

girls they say he may have with him. Family and friends back in Round Rock, Texas say they just hope these little girls are safe.

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LEA ANN DOMHOEFER, FRIEND OF VICTIM: I just pray that he drops them off somewhere and lets them go. It is a very sad situation, you know. Those two

babies lost their mom and if they`ve seen anything, you know they`re sad. You know they`re crying.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Our crime and justice producer, Justin Freiman, has been working the story all day. He just finished watching the entire press conference

with the latest updates. What are they saying?

JUSTIN FREIMAN, PRODUCER (via telephone): Well, we do have now a confirmed sighting with actual pictures. It was on December 30th in Colorado,

actually Trinidad, Colorado, which is right near the border of New Mexico. They would not say the name of this business. The little girls were not

caught on camera but authorities do believe he is with those girls.

BANFIELD: So while that sighting is on the 30th, we`re several days past that, Justin. Do they think he may still be in Colorado and do they think

those girls are still with him even though they weren`t caught on this camera image?

FREIMAN: Yes, they actually do think he might still be in Colorado. They say they are getting tips from all over the country but they are focusing

right now on Colorado and that he might still be in that gray 2017 Hyundai Accent hatchback although they are not sure if it would still have the same

plates on it.

BANFIELD: All right, I just want to play if I can the characterization that the Parish sheriff has made of this man that they are looking for -- of

Terry Allen Miles, and I`ll tell you right now, with the list of crimes that this man is associated with, it is no wonder that Tony Mancuso, that

Parish sheriff has this to say about him. Take a listen.

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[18:05:03] TONY MANCUSO, SHERIFF, CALCASIEU PARISH SHERIFF`s OFFICE: I consider him a pretty dangerous man to society given his background and

given what we believe he did and now what they believe he did.

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BANFIELD: So Justin, the background is alarming to say the very least. And I just want to go over this so that our viewers know exactly what kind of

man is out there right now believed to be with these two girls. The run-ins that he`s had with the law include a conviction for domestic abuse battery.

He`s wanted for questioning in the third degree rape of a juvenile. He was accused of another simple battery in 2014.

He was accused of methamphetamine possession in 2014. He is the main suspect in the death of a woman named Pamela Parker -- more on that in a

moment. Back in 2014, he was convicted of domestic abuse battery. Another conviction in 2013, possession of stolen property, simple burglary, theft

over 1,500. Another accusation of the attempted second-degree murder of a girlfriend.

Then in 2013, pornography accusation involving juveniles. In 2011, domestic abuse battery, a full conviction, and then in 2009, another accusation of

domestic abuse, battery. And while those are the low lights, there are still other accusations that out there against this man as well. I want to

bring in Lauren Kravets. She is the Williams County reporter for CNN affiliate KXAN and she joins me from Round Rock, Texas.

Lauren, thank you so much for joining us. I know that you`ve been busy covering this story. You were also in the press conference that Justin just

alerted us to and this most recent sighting in Colorado on the 30th. Any other leads other than that very quick picture they showed us from that

news conference and that one piece of news that the sighting from several days ago?

LAUREN KRAVETS, REPORTER, CNN AFFILIATE KXAN: Well I am sure that there are other leads. We`re just not being told those right now obviously when you

have a situation like this. Police have their investigation and don`t want us to interfere with that. That is all that or I would say the big piece

that they revealed to us today.

Again, the sighting that you mentioned and I think that is a big deal because today the Amber alert was discontinued here in Texas because they

were spotted in Colorado so I think police now have their focus showing that they were spotted in Trinidad. We also learned that there have been

several sightings of the three -- the two girls, also Terry Miles altogether out there.

Of course, in the surveillance photos, the girls were not seen with him that day but the fact that police keep getting tips in saying they`ve seen

all three together gives them more of a focus point to try to find Terry Miles.

BANFIELD: So while you are in Round Rock, Lauren, is the focus of this investigation clearly now in Colorado or do they feel that since the 30th

they could be anywhere by now?

KRAVETS: The impression that we got from the news conference today just moments ago is that their search is in Colorado. Round Rock police are

saying that that`s where they are focusing. They also have other agents in this case and they received several credible tips they are saying of the

sightings in Colorado.

So the impression that we are getting is that they are focusing on Colorado, of course, as this gets out. You never know where someone is

going to end up. So, they are asking people everywhere in all states to continue to keep their eyes open. They`re saying look at gas stations, fast

food restaurants because they could mover, they could be anywhere, but it seems like the focus right now is Colorado.

BANFIELD: So, I want to just switch gears for a minute if I can, Lauren, because one of the issues that authority have brought up with regard to

Terry Allen Miles past. It`s extraordinarily serious some of the things that he`s facing -- the accusations that he`s facing and it is hard to

characterize them because they aren`t convictions but they are serious accusations with a lot of evidence that just couldn`t get past that bar of

being able to actually get a conviction or even a case out of it and I`m referring to two incidents.

One is that he was accused of strangling one of his girlfriends and that was an attempted murder. The other is an accusation of actual murder. A

woman by the name of Pam Parker -- I believe this is in Louisiana. This went to the grand jury. The grand jury struggled with it and again Sheriff

Tony Mancuso, he`s the Parish sheriff in Louisiana had this to say about that particular case, a murder case that has left him very concerned about

the situation these two little girls are in now. Have a listen.

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MANCUSO: Unfortunately, we didn`t have enough evidence to get a warrant and truly get him convicted and brought to trial on that murder. We still

believe that he is our prime suspect and person of interest.

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BANFIELD: So Lauren, I mean, we`re talking about an accused strangling, an accused murder, and then there`s this accusation of the rape of a minor. Do

we know anything about that case?

[18:10:02] Is it the minors that we`re dealing with that are missing tonight, Lulu and Lilly, the sisters? Is it another minor? Do we have any

details or evidence on that accusation of rape of a minor?

KRAVETS: I wish that I did, unfortunately I do not have any details on those previous cases, just what you`ve already mentioned that this guy,

Terry Miles, has quite a criminal history. There is some pornography involving a juvenile as well, just what you mentioned. And I think that is

why it is so concerning in this case, the fact there is a 14-year-old Lilly, a 7-year-old Lulu.

Again, nothing has been said about those two girls and him as far as any sort of relationship there, but it is concerning when you hear his record

that you just mentioned. It`s a big concern.

BANFIELD: Well two things that I`m going to just sort of unleash right now that is difficult to hear but is critical to this case. And Lauren, don`t

go anywhere -- is that a friend of the family of these two girls and they are now dead mother has alluded to them perhaps having some strange

relationship she`s not clear on, but very uncomfortable with.

That she has seen that 14-year-old cuddled up on the couch with Terry Allen Miles, uncomfortably so. That Terry Allen Miles would have that 14-year-old

girl in his bed with him. These are accusations only. He hasn`t been charged with any of this yet. In fact, he hasn`t been charged with anything

with regard to this disappearance and this manhunt at this point, but I would stay tuned to that.

The woman who has given us this characterization is going to join us in about 45 minutes at the top of the 7:00 hour. We`ll hear firsthand account.

She knows this family. Their children are friends. Her own child has spent time inside that home and she`s very uncomfortable with much of the

behavior that she has seen in that home.

Also in about 45 minutes, we`re going to be joined by that sheriff from Louisiana who is going to characterize in more detail some of the dangerous

aspects of Terry Allen Miles` background and some of the evidence and details that he struggled to collect and ultimately could not get any kind

of a case to actually litigate against Terry Allen Miles.

But I do want to bring in if I can CNN law enforcement analyst Art Roderick who is joining me live. He is the former assistant direct for the U.S.

Marshal. So, this is right up your alley. If you are talking about two sisters, Art, and if what we are hearing has some meat on the bones, the

fact that the 14-year-old has been in bed with this -- excuse, yes, 44- year-old Terry Allen Miles, that he has uncomfortably been cuddled up with her on the sofa and not wanted any photographing of him in that position,

and a 7-year-old in tow, what sort of concerns does that open up as you`re look at this from U.S. Marshal perspective?

ART RODERICK, CNN LAW ENFORCMENT ANALYST: Well, when you look at this case overall, as horrendous as this individual`s record is, I mean, he should be

have been in jail, number one. Number two, it is very, very disturbing and this the thing that struck me immediately, was the fact that he had the

child pornography charges and also the rape of a juvenile and the key factor right now is getting these two girls -- these two juvenile females

back into safe custody.

Now, I also know that I`ve talked to law enforcement sources and that the U.S. -- the FBI and the U.S. Marshals both are working this case which is a

key part, if they`ve left Texas jurisdiction, where it sounds like they have. So this individual has had previous connections to California and to

Louisiana. So this manhunt is spreading out but again, the key part is getting them.

BANFIELD: God knows if these girls, Art, -- you know, God knows if these girls even know that they`re mom is dead. God knows if they witnessed their

mom being murdered. This is not being called a murder. It is being called a suspicious death. But why is there not a charge? That man is gone, that

mother is dead, and those two girls are nowhere to be seen, and there is no charging at this point. And I guess the lay person in me says how is that

possible?

RODERICK: Yes, I`m with you, Ashleigh. I don`t understand it either. At the very least, they could bring the kidnapping charge. They know he`s crossed

state lines so, very well could fall under the complete jurisdiction of the FBI. But maybe they`re taking their time on this. I`m not sure, but I do

know that it is all hands on deck as far as law enforcement goes to try and locate these two girls and bring them back to safety. Very disturbing.

BANFIELD: Well, and we`ve got a check line out there as well. All hands on deck, not only with law enforcement, but any viewers out there, because we

know that John Walsh and television programs can actually get some sightings, can get some leads that are credible and they are actually

proximate as well. So the tip line is up there. It`s 512-218-5515.

If you can`t remember that, Round Rock, Texas police. If you can`t remember that, 911 and they`ll get you where you need to go. Art, thank you for

that. Really quickly, I just want to bring in defense attorney Robert Gottlieb real quickly -- just five seconds on this one, five seconds on

this. How does a guy like that walk the streets? How does a guy like that walk amongst us? How does a guy like that

[18:15:00] with that kind of a criminal history walk amongst two little girls and their mom like that?

ROBERT GOTTLIEB, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The only question is was -- did you have a police department thoroughly and professionally and vigorously

investigating those cases. It is unbelievable with his record. The question is somebody dropped the ball.

BANFIELD: You can only do so much with the evidence you have as well, but take a good, good look at the face. He`s already been sighted in Colorado.

He`s already been sighted in north Texas. He`s been sighted in New Mexico, but if you anywhere in that vicinity, keep a close eye on Terry Allen

Miles. And know this, those two little girls could be in grave danger tonight and you could too because he has quite a violent past. More on that

as I said at the top of the hour.

In the meantime, Tanya Harding is making some brand-new headlines tonight, quarter century later. There is now a bombshell admission about what Tanya

knew before the attack happened on Nancy Kerrigan.

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BANFIELD: There are those headlines in American history so big everyone tunes in and follows every twist and every turn. Thin about it, baby

Jessica, O.J. Simpson, Casey Anthony, who shot J.R. And in January of 1994 virtually everyone in America was following the story of Tanya and Nancy,

two young Olympic figure skaters who didn`t even need last names.

They both had the world by the tail until someone took an iron pipe and whacked Nancy Kerrigan`s knee as she came off the practice ice right before

the `94 Olympics. And it is fair to say that that launched their story and their saga right into the stratosphere.

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LARRY KING, CNN HOST: A shocking report today regarding the bizarre attack on figure skater Nancy Kerrigan.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who would want to hurt her and why?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did her rival plot to knock her out of the Olympic running?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nancy Kerrigan withdrew from the U.S. national championships today.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The FBI confirmed that it is probing conspiracy allegations. The shocking developments kept coming today in a story that

has shocked the nation and thrown the high pressure world of figure skating into a tail spin.

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BANFIELD: For months, this story was on the front page of every newspaper, every magazine. It was at the top of every newscast. It was considered the

cat fight between colossal competitors and the thug who nearly finished Nancy Kerrigan`s skating career. But the one thing that nobody knew was

whether Tanya Harding knew anything about that attack in advance. And for nearly 24 years she had said she had no idea. But now, she is changing her

story in an interview with ABC.

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TANYA HARDING, FORMER FIGURE SKATER: I knew that something was up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You never said to Jeff, let`s do this?

HARDING: No, I did however overhear them talking about stuff where, well maybe we should take somebody out so we can make sure she gets on the team.

I go what the hell are you talking about?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: CNN sports analyst Christine Brennan joins me live now. She is also a sports columnist for USA Today and I think Christine, I think but I

can`t be certain, that I heard your jaw hit the floor when that little nugget came out because for anybody over I would say the age of maybe 40,

this was absolutely massive.

CHRISTINE BRENNAN, CNN SPORTS ANALYST: So it was Ashleigh for sure, and I`m actually at the U.S. figure skating championships in San Jose right now as

an Olympic team is being picked again. And this was exactly what was happening 24 years ago and it was a story unlike any other. But you`re

right, Tanya always said that she didn`t know. She pled guilty to hindering the prosecution which meant that she had to serve a fine or pay a fine and

do a lot of hours of community service and she was kicked out of the U.S. Figure Skating Association, rightly so for life for her involvement in

this.

But that was it. And that admission that she knew, which is what it sounds like she`s saying there, is a very big deal in a story that was absolutely

huge. Really, one of our first reality TV shows kind of news stories back now 24 years ago.

BANFIELD: I mean, it kind of predated and helped kick off cable news as we know it. You know, there was Larry King but he was the only game in town

and it was 24/7. And you look at these pictures today and for anybody who either doesn`t remember or it sounds familiar but I`m not clear on the

story. The girl in the black tights was the tough hard scrabble, unbelievably athletic, just a bulldog on the ice.

She jumped higher and stronger than everyone. She landed everything. And the girl in the white was as graceful as Grace Kelly. She was a princess

who couldn`t jump as high but damn did she look pretty out there. And the two of them were just incredible rivals would were going to vie for gold

and hopefully make the Olympic team until Nancy got clubbed and everybody thought that might be the end of it.

She ended up going on to win a silver medal, but Christine, the saga that it ended up being and the story that ended up gripping -- why. Why was this

the story? What was it about Tanya and Nancy? And what specifically about Tanya made everybody so angry and so hateful?

BRENNAN: Well, because she and her gang of knuckleheads, including her live-in ex-husband and you can`t actually, you can`t make up the adjectives

in this story -- because of that and what they did, they brought this story of one competitor going after another to the -- to the forefront bubbling

to the surface in a way we`ve never seen before.

I also think there was an element of sexism. I think we need to be honest about that. These women, they look beautiful in their costumes. They wear

makeup. Of course they are tough athletes. Nancy Kerrigan for example was a feisty Boston tomboy who played hockey with her brothers. She was a great

jumper.

You alluded to the fact Tanya -- if Tanya were competing today, if she were in her prime today she would still be able to be at the U.S. nationals

[18:25:00] probably with the jumping ability she has and she flittered it all away. So, you had two strong athletes and I think a lot of the nation

probably didn`t look at them that way.

Looked at them as more beautiful ice princess and I think it was so revealing to see how competitive it was even though obviously it went to

great extremes and went way too far of course in this case.

BANFIELD: Well you nailed it as you always do with the adjective knuckleheads. Let`s show that cast of characters again because Jeff

Gillooly was the live-in ex-husband, seemingly orchestrating the attack, bringing on Shawn Eckardt and Shane Stant. I think Derrick Smith at some

point playing a significant role in this and this conspiracy to really take Nancy out of the running any way possible.

There was this talk about maybe killing her at some point. But then ultimately just to do enough damage that that leg would not be viable and

that she wouldn`t be a problem for Tanya Harding to advance when three ice princesses were really, you know, Christy Yamaguchi on the left and listen,

Brennan, you are much better than this than I am, and Nancy Kerrigan and Tanya were the three top contenders. And that picture we just saw, I think

was that her -- was that Tanya in her prime in 1991 winning the worlds. Was that that picture?

BRENNAN: Well, she was -- that`s where she landed the triple axel, the toughest of the triple jump so she won the nationals in `91, but then as

only Tanya could, she ended up not training and not practicing, came in out of shape and a little over weight and went to the world championships and

then did not win. That`s where Christy Yamaguchi won the worlds in `91, and that was on her path to winning the Olympic gold in `92.

And again, Tanya Harding should have won two Olympic medals. It was sitting there for the taking, and when people see the movie, Ashleigh, and they

talk about, oh, poor Tanya. No, that is ridiculous. She was Figure Skating Association center not to one, but to two Olympic games and she won two

national titles. One was taken away because of her role in the attack in 1994.

But Tanya Harding, it is breathtaking really how she squandered these incredible opportunities she was given by the sport, by the U.S.

Association and really almost everyone. There was no sense that she got a raw deal. She was given amazing opportunities. Even more in many ways than

Nancy Kerrigan and squandered them left and right.

BANFIELD: But holy cow, did that woman fall from grace. And when I say fall, she fell as hard as any O.J., as any Casey, as any other major

American dramatic figure. And I just want to play if I can, one of the comments that Tanya Harding made to ABC about just how broken she became.

Have a listen.

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HARDING: Is it a challenge from the Lord to see how far I can be pushed until I break and become nothing? You can`t push me that far any more

because I`ve been nothing. And I`ve been nothing several times. But it is my faith in myself and in my father and that comes back to me and makes me

get back up off my butt and be something worth being proud of. I always wanted my daddy to be proud. And now I want my son to be proud.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So Tanya got married and had that son that she`s talking about. Back in 2009 she did an interview with Oprah Winfrey in which she addressed

the relationship with Nancy Kerrigan and whether she had made amends. So I think the big word would be the A word, apology. Have a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OPRAH WINFREY, SHOW HOST: If she were here today what would you want to say to her about all of this?

HARDING: Well, if she would let me, I would love to give her a hug and just, you know, tell her how proud I am of her being able to go forward

with her life and everything and stuff like and congratulations on her children. And you know, I mean, she`s moved on. I`ve moved on. It is part

of history that will always be with us.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So a hug is a far cry from an apology. And so the good hard working journalists at ABC tried to get that apology. And here is how it

came out.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You say you and Nancy Kerrigan were Friends?

HARDING: Yes, we were.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Have you ever apologized to Nancy?

HARDING: Enough apologizing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Enough apologizing. That is where we`re at right now. Let me give you a little bit of a primer on what Tanya Harding ended up doing and what

Nancy Kerrigan ended up doing after all of that. Many of you who lived through this probably watched Nancy Kerrigan come home from the Olympics a

hero with her silver and what did most sports heroes get? They got a lucrative deal with Disney in which they had to just appear on camera

saying I`m going to Disney World and maybe have a little fun with Mickey.

[18:30:00] But when Nancy Kerrigan came back to America and put on that microphone at Disney World and was in the parade, the microphone was hot,

and we got a sense of the personality behind that graceful princess and it was none too sweet. Have a listen.

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(INAUDIBLE)

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BANFIELD: That did not look like the face of a happy Olympic medallist being rumored to be paid $2 million for that endorsement deal from Disney.

Those headlines went everywhere. That tape went everywhere. And a lot of people really took a different look at Nancy Kerrigan having been

victimized prior to the Olympics, that behaving in such an unworthy way after the Olympics.

For Tonya`s part, life did not go that well. Tonya was excoriated. Tonya was cut from the herd. Tonya was dumped by America. And this was a

photograph of Tonya last year outside of I believe a trailer where she was living in her pajamas and smoking and, you know, life had not been good to

Tonya.

For a while, she tried to cook up a boxing career. At one point, she did a celebrity boxing bout against Paula Jones, the famous Clinton accuser. She

got in the ring and became a professional boxer for a while.

She was vilified and made fun of for that career, but I think it probably paid the bills for Tonya Harding for some time to be able to at least

engage in a sport where there was a television contract and there was some money to be paid. And listen, Tonya Harding in a boxing ring, that would be

a draw.

I want to bring in Sandra Luckow. She followed Tonya Harding and Tonya`s family during the filming of her documentary, "Sharp Edges." Now, here is

what is so fascinating about you. You skated with her. You were teammates with Tonya. You did a documentary, was it for your Yale thesis?

SANDRA LUCKOW, FILMMAKER: It was.

BANFIELD: This was a documentary before any of this happened. Before any of this catastrophe. Before any of this sort of scandal sucked the life out of

the news business. And you knew that she -- she was hard edged. She was -- she was tough.

She had that upbringing that was a struggle. And I want to play this little moment from "Sharp Edges," from your documentary, if I can, where Tonya

actually sort of looks to the camera and assesses what her mother and her home life is like. Have a look.

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TONYA HARDING, FORMER OLYMPIAN AND FIGURE SKATER: My relationship with my mom is really bad. She is not -- I mean, she`s a good mother but she`s not

a good mother. She hits me and she beats me and she drinks, my mom is an alcoholic.

And she has been now for about the last year. And if anything goes wrong, then she`ll drink. And then if something goes wrong with her work, then she

takes it out on me. And everything she does -- just yell at me or takes it out on me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: It`s incredible to look at that and know that that is a 15-year- old girl who is fighting every day just to be able to pay for skating, just to be able to be on that ice and be considered worthy of all of these other

fairly well-off families that have their kids in skating. What was your assessment of Tonya Harding then and now?

LUCKOW: Well, she was certainly beyond a shadow of a doubt, the most talented skater that anyone in the northwest had ever seen. And she was

with perhaps the very best coach at the time. And literally everyone in the community, my own mother made skating outfits for her at times.

Everyone was in a huge support. And we knew that this was like the rocky story. We knew that this was the girl going, you know, on the wrong side of

the tracks trying to -- and we had to keep it a secret in many ways, because at one point, when I made the film, and it did very well at Yale

and was sort of touted because it was the first time that a documentary had been accepted as a senior thesis, Diane and Tonya were very much --

BANFIELD: Coach Diane.

LUCKOW: Yes, Diane Rawlinson, were very much opposed to us taking the film to a broader audience, because they felt that if the judges knew that she

was for the wrong side of the tracks --

BANFIELD: That she struggled so much more than the average kid.

LUCKOW: Exactly, that she wasn`t -- Diane said to me, this is 1987. This is a -- this is a beauty contest. And if they know where she comes from, she

will never win.

BANFIELD: But you knew her then,

[18:35:00] you knew her background, you knew the struggle with her parents. We all on the outside looked at that girl and thought she was involved. In

fact, you know, most people believe she did the beating. There are a lot of people out there who think that it was Tonya who wielded that pipe and

whacked Nancy`s knee.

That didn`t happen. But the notion that there was a conspiracy that she somehow was involved in or knew about prior to the attack, everybody had

their suspicions. It could never be proven. She`s now saying she heard inkling of it prior to.

What did you think knowing this young woman, knowing her capacity, knowing her background and her propensities. Did you think she knew or orchestrated

or actually planned everything?

LUCKOW: She absolutely knew. I have no no doubt in my mind. I said it in " The Price of Gold" "30 For 30" documentary about it. And was vilified for

having said it. But everyone who knew Tonya knew that she was very much involved. All of the forensic evidence proves that Tonya was involved. What

I`m really surprised about is why she`s affirming it now.

BANFIELD: Why do you think -- do you think this is an accident? That she let this slip with ABC?

LUCKOW: I do think that it is a bit of an accident. I think that Tonya is not very well educated. And I think that it`s -- what does it matter now

anyway? I think that she has been -- in her film, Tonya, I think that it has been so -- how shall I put this? I think it has been so sympathetic to

her in so many ways because it is her version --

BANFIELD: Sure.

LUCKOW: -- of what happened. I think that it doesn`t really matter now.

BANFIELD: How much lower can you think at this point, really? But I do want to ask specifically, how much lower can you think, Robert Gottlieb? Does

this change any metric anywhere? Could she be charged 24 years later? Is there anything, is there any exposure to Tonya Harding for having said what

she just said to ABC?

ROBERT GOTTLIEB, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The law would not allow her to be charged with anything at this point. Listen, everybody -- I agree with

Sandra 100 percent. Everybody knew she was guilty. Everybody knew she was involved. She pled guilty to a crime hindering prosecution.

BANFIELD: After the fact.

GOTTLIEB: Well, but she pled guilty. People do not plead guilty by enlarge, especially when you are in the public eye unless you did something

criminal. And therefore it is very clear she knew everything that was going on.

BANFIELD: And there is Christine Brennan, you know, in the skating venue tonight. Basically 24 years later in the very same situation. Imagine her

hearing this news and sort of all of us flooding back to those early days in the `90s and realizing here we go again.

For her sake, I think Tonya Harding has been punished enough. I think everybody deserves a second chance. And I don`t think this will change the

metric really for anybody, but I think it is fascinating. But then again I`m 50.

(LAUGHTER)

BANFIELD: Thank you. I appreciate it so much. I appreciate your insight. Sandra, fantastic foresight to have that documentary at age 15, when she

was age 15. Thank you so much.

LUCKOW: Thank you.

BANFIELD: Appreciate it. So generally, it is the homeowner who wants to kill the contractor, right, when the job gets botched or doesn`t get done.

But in Virginia, police say it was the contractor who literally wanted to kill his client. And tried. And you won`t believe what the camera had

caught, but you`re going to see it.

[18:40:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: Most of us have heard a nightmare story about a contractor who didn`t do the job, didn`t do it right, or maybe didn`t finish the whole

thing, right? But you probably not heard the story of Daniel Jamison.

There was a homeowner in Virginia who paid him $41,000 up front to do some work on his home. But Jamison did not finish. And instead Jamison took off.

And Jamison was charged with construction fraud. But did Jamison do what any professional should do and make good on the contract, maybe finish the

work? No. He hired a hit man to kill the client instead.

A hit man who just so happened to be an undercover police officer. Don`t you hate when that happens. No, because it makes for amazing video tape and

wouldn`t you know it, Jamison`s entire evil plan was caught on said video tape.

(START VIDEOTAPE)

DANIEL JAMISON, CONTRACTOR (voice over): Now, the deck is off the second story, so it`s like there`s a ton of clearance.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that just a wooden door?

JAMISON: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, it`s not anything.

JAMISON: Now, has anything changed since I`ve been here? I don`t know. But, I can give you the layout of the house like nobody`s business. I`ve done a

shit ton of work in the house.

Well, when you walk in through that door, there`s a big entertainment room. There is, off to the side, there`s a little room that`s his game room with

pinball machines and everything else.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

JAMISON: And right in front of you is going to be a set of stairs. Those stairs go right up to the first floor.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

JAMISON: Literally, you walk around the column and there`s the stairs for the upstairs. There`s two bedrooms downstairs that hardly anybody has ever

in because it`s only when she`s over with her kids. A bathroom. You`re going to walk when you come up those stairs, you go right, you`re going to

come into the living room.

Keep following that chaise right around, you`ll be into the kitchen. And right there in the same block of the house, the stairs go upstairs.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

JAMISON: When you come up to the top of the stairs, his room is going to be on the right.

[18:45:00] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, how quick are you wanting this done?

JAMISON: The sooner the better.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right.

JAMISON: Every time he paid me when I was actually on the job, I mean, there were stacks of cash, but he`d pull out 10-grand in case and there was

still ton, a ton of money in there.

What`s in there, anything else, I don`t know. I know he has a lot of expensive jewelry, diamonds. I mean, diamonds are kid of hit and miss

because of the numbers on them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.

JAMISON: You know like his watches and everything. He`s got (INAUDIBLE) Rolexes sitting right there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that all in his bedroom?

JAMISON: Bedroom closet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Normally, it`s -- well, normally, it would be 10-grand. Five up front, five on the back end. If you can do the five, then we could

do 3500 on the front.

If what`s in there is what we think is going to be there, then we`re good. If we think what`s going to be there and I`m not talking we get in there

and it`s, you know, some Fossil watches or something, you know what I mean?

We`re talking about legit. And I`m not going to bullshit with you. It`s better for me, if I go in there and that`s what is in that safe, then I

never talk to you again.

I don`t have to come, you know, get the rest of the money. We never see each other again. You just -- you know it`s done because you know it`s

done.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: Oops. Daniel Jamison may have tried to kill a client but he never went to trial because he made a plea deal. According to the reports, during

his sentencing he cried and he apologized for what he`d done.

His attorney insisted that he wasn`t serious, but the judge didn`t buy it. And now the killer contractor is going to spend the next 10 years behind

bars. What is always fascinating is to talk to the cops, and I get the chance to do that now.

Second Lieutenant Tom Harrington is with the Fairfax County Police Department and he is the boss of the guy who was in the driver`s side who

is what you call an undercover detective, so you can`t see his face.

Lieutenant, thanks so much for being with us. This case -- you look at these tapes and you wonder how could someone be so dumb. But did it seem to

you when you got these tapes that this was just open and shut? You kind of like had them by the nuts and bolts?

TOM HARRINGTON, LIEUTENANT, FAIRFAX COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT (via telephone): Thank you for having us. So basically people will say, oh, you

never heard him say murder. You never heard say I want this guy killed. But it was very clear in the interactions with the detective in the meetings

that they had because Mr. Jamison had already been arrested and released.

He wanted this done before his court date. All of the circumstances in what you don`t realize in that video is they`re in a vehicle and Mr. Jamison is

actually driving him to a back alley showing him how to get to the house.

BANFIELD: Oh, man.

HARRINGTON (via telephone): So the totality of the event is what spells out what exactly he wanted done. And it made it very clear to us.

BANFIELD: It is hard to -- it is hard to believe when -- you know, this fella`s attorney, you know, goes in front of a judge and said that he was

only making a -- jokingly making contact with this so-called hit man and that he knew that guy was a cop.

In fact, now knowing that that is what the attorney argued, that my client knew that was a cop, this was all a joke, I want to just listen to the

money deal that was made. All in the same vain as the church picnic is mentioned. And then you could decide -- our viewers could decide if they

believe that Mr. Jamison knew this guy was a cop and this was all a joke. Have a listen.

(START VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At what point are you able to come up with $500?

JAMISON: I can probably do without my wife`s really knowing what`s going on, probably by the end of next week. The biggest thing is I need to get to

New York to get cash without her realizing what`s going on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

JAMISON: I was going to try and actually go this weekend, but with it being Labor Day, she`s got the church picnic and all of the other stuff the

church does. And if I`m not there she`s going to start asking a shit ton of questions.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: The church picnic really get in the way of contract killing. I got to be honest. It happens all the time. I do want to read what the judge

said because if that guy said it was all a joke, the judge was not -- didn`t find it funny and he wasn`t laughing and didn`t believe him for a

minute.

Judge Michael Devine of the Fairfax County Circuit Court said this, Mr. Jamison, I don`t believe a word of your story about how this offense was

committed. I believe you intended to have Mr. Mann killed. I believe you were in deep financial trouble and understood that another conviction would

put you in great danger.

I cannot give you credit for taking responsibility because I don`t think you have. I think you continue to lie to me and to these people. You

committed a serious crime and I`m going to impose a serious sentence.

And he gave him 10 years.

[18:50:00] He could have given him 40. That is what prosecutors were asking. But he got 10 years. My thanks to Lieutenant Tom Harrington for

joining us and for doing a great job. You know what? That`s one less bad guy on the streets.

This guy in Alaska is facing some jail time after police say he used a sex offender registry to track down and beat up sex offenders. Now, I know no

one likes sex offenders, but is that kind of vigilante justice the right thing to do? Wait to hear what he has to say about what he did.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: If you have not heard the name Jason Vukovich from Alaska, I wouldn`t be surprised, except for he`s making big headlines up there,

because that fellow decided to use the sex offender registry to track down sex offenders that he didn`t know, that had done nothing to him, but he

wanted to beat the living daylights out of them, and he did it.

Several times over, in fact. One of the men apparently was beaten in the head with a hammer terribly, four or five times, debilitating injuries. The

photographs are pretty harrowing. Mr. Vukovich is now facing up to 25 years behind bars. He is also saying vigilante justice ain`t the right thing to

do, urging other don`t do what I did. He`s getting a flood of letters from people saying he did the right thing.

[18:55:00] But Robert Gottlieb, you know, people love to hate sex offenders, but with a sex offender registry for other reasons, not for

vigilante justice.

GOTTLIEB: Unfortunately, Ashleigh, this is not an isolated incident. I represented individuals charged than convicted ultimately. Unfortunately,

the sex offender registration requirements, Megan`s law and other laws like it, beg people to be notified by law enforcement that somebody`s living a

few doors down from them. Harassment occurs all the time.

BANFIELD: And if you fear that this is going to happen to you, you would float that law for your own safety and then of course other people don`t

get the protection deserved. Thank you for that. Appreciate it. Don`t go anywhere. I have an important programming note to tell you about on

Thursday on HLN. Sean Spicer, "Spicy" as he`s known to some, unfiltered.

The former White House press secretary is going to join my colleague SE Cupp to cover all of the headlines. It is a special edition of SE Cupp

Unfiltered with Sean Spicer for the entire hour. Again, mark your calendar. Thursday, January 4th, 5:00 p.m. Eastern, right here on HLN. I cannot

confirm or deny if Melissa McCartney will be here, but Sean Spicer will be.

There`s a new law in one state that treats pets more like children in custody cases. That`s one more thing. That`s coming up next.

[19:00:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: One more thing tonight, if you split with your spouse, there can be some contentious fights over custody regarding the kids and also the

pets, right? So, now, in Illinois there`s a brand-new state law. And it allows the judges in that state, in divorce proceedings to consider the

well-being of the cats and the dogs and all of the other animals that you may have when you are deciding on sole or joint ownership. And why did they

do it? A sponsor of the legislation says most people actually do treat their animals more like they treat children and that they don`t treat them

like property.

Straight ahead, the sheriff is going to join us in that desperate manhunt for two missing girls. That manhunt continues in Texas.

The next hour of "CRIME & JUSTICE" starts right now.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tonight, the desperate search for two little Texas sisters.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know they are sad. You know they are crying.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s been three days since their mom was found dead in their home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was of a suspicious nature.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But the girls have disappeared. And so has mom`s roommate.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just pray that he drops them off somewhere and lets them go.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was he really just a roommate? And what about that rap sheet?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He actually tried to strangle her. He was a suspect in a murder, rape up against a juvenile.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where is this man? And where are those girls?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I consider him a pretty dangerous man to society.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The infamous story of Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s ludicrous.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For almost 24 years, Tonya has said she knew nothing about that violence assault that took Nancy off the ice.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I knew that something was up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now, Tonya is fessing up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I go what the hell are you talking about?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And coming forward about an Olympic-size cat fight that captivated the nation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Enough apologizing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A clueless contractor caught on camera.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Bleep) in the house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s him making a deal to have his client killed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How quick do you want this done?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sooner the better.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A client he was actually cheating. But here`s how you end up when your hit man turns out to be a cop.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: Good evening, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. Welcome to the second hour of "CRIME & JUSTICE."

Tonight, police across the country are looking for two little faces and one grown man. Two girls and a man they shouldn`t be with, all three of them

disappearing from a Texas home just a few days ago and to say that police are worried about this setup is an understatement. That`s because the

girls` mother was found dead on New Year`s Eve. And they are calling her death suspicious.

Tonight, they appear her daughters are with that man and that those daughters are in in grave danger. His name is Terry Allen Miles. He has

been described by some people as the mother`s 44-year-old roommate but he has been described by others as that mother`s boyfriend. However you

describe whether Miles, he has quite a past he`s accused of everything from murder to rape of a minor.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHERIFF TONY MANCUSO, CALCASIEU PARISH SHERIFF`S OFFICE: I consider him a pretty dangerous man to society. Given his background and given what we

believe he did and now what they believe he did.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Police in Round Rock, Texas found Tanya Bates dead on the floor when they were following up on a welfare check. And three days later,

there`s still no telling where her two little daughters could be.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHIEF ALLEN BANKS, ROUND ROCK POLICE DEPARTMENT: During the investigation, it was determined that her biological children, her daughters Lulu also

known as Lulu Violeta Mariposa Bandera-Magaret, seven years old and Lianais, Lily Victoria Kate Griffith, 14 years old was not in the

residence. Also not in the residence was a roommate by the name of Terry Allen Miles. At this point, we believe that the two daughters are in the

presence of Terry Allen Miles.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: I want to bring in Lauren Kravets. She is the Williamson County reporter for CNN affiliate KXAN and she joins me live right now from Round

Rock, Texas where this investigation is really emanating from.

The very latest is that there has been a sighting, this just announced about two hours ago. Tell me what they are saying they saw and the

significance of this latest sighting.

LAUREN KRAVETS, REPORTER, KXAN: Well, Round Rock police here are receiving tons of tips, they say even today, they received some tips. But where they

are focusing on right now is in Southern Colorado, a city called Trinidad. They showed us surveillance photos today of Terry Miles seen in a store.

They are not saying what store. They have those photos. He was seen on Saturday the 30th. This past Saturday. This is a store in Colorado. So the

search now is focusing, of course, on Colorado. But again, that was on the 30th, several days ago. So there is no telling where they could be right

now. But police made it seem like that`s where they are focusing right now, Round Rock police, as well as social agents.

[19:05:35] BANFIELD: But Lauren, tell me why it is so significant that these authorities in his path have said these girls are in grave danger. He

has an unbelievable criminal background. Walk me through some of the lowlights?

KRAVETS: He does. Of course, you had mentioned rape. There is also -- a lot of these are just charges, not convictions which just as a person out on

the street, it`s concerning. His criminal history even goes back to the 1990s as we reported today. He was charged and actually served time in

California. That was for injuring his spouse at the time. That happened twice. And it continues 1990s, 2000, in Louisiana where he used to live in

Sulfur, Louisiana, charged with rape, charged with pornography, with a juvenile. Very concerning.

And Round Rock police referenced mentioned, kind of reiterated all of that tonight and their concern of why bringing these two girls home is so

crucial. I mean, not just for their safety, but you look at this guy`s background and that just speaks volume.

And I wanted to add also person of interest is what Round Rock police initially said about Terry Miles in regards to the two girls, their

mother`s death. Today, though, they say that is considered a homicide now. And terry miles is a person of interest in that homicide.

BANFIELD: Now, they`re calling it a homicide, not just a suspicious death. OK. Well, at least that`s something new that we have to go on, but still no

charges which is really significant.

Hold on one second, Lauren, if you will. There is a neighbor who lived and still lives beside this home where these two girls lived with their now

deceased mother. We don`t know if the girls know that their mom is dead. We don`t know if they witnessed the killing of their mom, the homicide of

their mom. All we know is that they are gone as this so-called roommate who has been described by others as a boyfriend. More on that in a moment.

But this neighbor James Reed had something pretty telling to say about Terry Allen Miles. Because the first time he met him having not known this

man at all, it turns out this man, Terry Allen Miles is already suggesting that this strange neighbor he is just meeting might be an ideal babysitter

for these two girls. Have a listen to how James Reed put it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JAMES REED, NEIGHBOR: The male, he was a little strange when I met him. Like I say, I don`t know anybody that first meets somebody and then tries

to get them to babysit your kids. So I mean, that kind of was a no-no to me. So I didn`t really talk to him too much. He was really jittery when we

did talk.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Jittery. Now, we might know why.

I want to bring in Sheriff Tony Mancuso. He is with the Calcasieu sheriff`s office. He joins me live from Lake Charles, Louisiana.

Thank you, sheriff, for being with us. I just want to get the very latest and what you are finding. Any tips coming in this evening since your press

conference? Any leads on where these girls are?

MANCUSO (on the phone): Well, I watched the Round Rock press conference from the chief. And, you know, we have been -- our detectives have been

working with them in trying to give them every piece of information we have. And, of course, his background here in Calcasieu parish. But no, I

think we are all concerned about these two young children and their well- being. I think that`s really the focus right now is getting them back safe and then dealing with him as an afterthought.

BANFIELD: As an afterthought. I mean, clearly the focus is the safety of these girls. And that`s what all of their friends and neighbors are hoping

for as well.

Sheriff, the critical aspect here when we are dealing with the kind of person it is believed these girls are with. You are in Louisiana where that

I think we can just call it the scroll of bad acts was playing moments ago. And I will ask our producers if we can just put that list of run-ins with

the law.

Many of them emanate from your jurisdiction, Calcasieu parish. Many of them are convictions. Many of them, you wanted conviction s and just because of

lack of evidence couldn`t get a prosecution in these cases. But there`s a homicide of a Pamela Parker. And there was an attempted killing, an

attempted strangulation of a girlfriend. That`s the October 31st, 2011. Tell me a little bit about these cases and why he could not be brought in?

MANCUSO: Well, the case, as far as the rape and the porn case were not our cases. But the person of interest and the homicide. And we do believe he

committed this homicide. He certainly is our main suspect. And you know, in law enforcement, our job is to present all of the evidence. And sometimes,

we just don`t have that. And it`s very difficult. It`s obviously very frustrating at times that we can`t do that. But we have to -- we have to

present what we have. And in this particular case, a grand jury chose not to -- not to indict him.

And you know, unfortunately, one of the other things -- I told one of the other reporters that with the laws in the United States, I think we have

the best judicial system in the world, but it is not without its hiccups. And sometimes, it gives the criminal, obviously, the benefit of the doubt,

that they are innocent until proven guilty. And it`s our job to do that. And unfortunately, sometimes, we just don`t have evidence. And you can`t

really bring up their past at any time, until a sentencing phase. So, you can`t go in there and tell them all of the past things and domestic

violence he has had in the past. You can only concentrate on the crime at hand. So it`s very frustrating to us sometimes but it`s our system. And we

have to --.

BANFIELD: Well, you know, interesting you should say that because oftentimes, you can bring that other evidence in if there`s a pattern which

leads me to the next question.

You are in Louisiana. There`s a death of a Pamela Parker that we couldn`t get an indictment on from that grand jury. Now in Texas, we got a Tanya

Bates. That is officially a homicide tonight. Are you in concert, working with authorities in Texas? Have you noticed any similarities in the death

of these two women? Have you seen a pattern?

MANCUSO: Absolutely. And you know, we just had a conviction of like a 1970s murder where that actually happened. And he was just convicted in our

parish, you know, 40 years later.

BANFIELD: Can you tell me anything about what you discovered? Is there anything you can tell me tonight in terms of details about the killing of

Pamela Parker and what you might know about the death of Tanya Bates?

MANCUSO: Right. I don`t want to delve into their investigation. Because I know they probably want to keep certain things close to their

investigation. And I know in our investigation, there does seem to be some similarities. And I certainly know that our detectives are looking at that

aspect now. And we will certainly present that information to our D.A., especially if we can get him or they can catch him and actually file some

charges on him.

Again, given his back ground, his pattern, you are exactly on point. That`s kind of what we are thinking right now is once you can show that pattern

then there is a moment where you can bring those things up.

BANFIELD: Well sheriff, I`m going to be calling you because I hope we can bring this guy in and effectively get some information from the Texas

authorities. And I`m going to be calling to you come back on this program to talk about some of those similarities.

In the meantime, standby for a moment, if you will. I have got Lea Ann Domhoefer on the phone. Lea Ann is a friend of Tanya Bates and of Tanya

bates` daughters who are missing. She joins me from Austin, Texas.

Lea Ann, I`m so sorry to be meeting you under these circumstances with. You know now, what is being classified as a homicide of your friend and the

missing case of these two children. Can you tell me what you know about Terry Allen Miles, having had, you know, met him? Your daughter having

spent time in that home? What can you tell me about that man?

LEA ANN DOMHOEFER, FRIEND OF VICTIMS AND MISSING GIRLS: I can tell you that in the incidents that I have talked to Terry, he just seemed a lot shady.

He seemed over (INAUDIBLE). At one time, he called my daughter a brat. There were just numerous instances that made me uncomfortable with my child

being in their home. And there were a lot of incidences that my daughter was with them frequently because of the fact that, you know, the girls

being friends. So, they spent a lot of time together.

BANFIELD: So, Lea Ann, curiously, I know that, you know, he has been called a roommate. But I know you have a different opinion. He has professed his

love for Tanya before, making him more than a roommate. And you have said that you have seen that 14-year-old Lilly curled up on the couch, that you

heard that she sleeps in his bed. Are you worried that there is something more with the relationship between that child and that man on the run with

that child potentially and her little sister?

DOMHOEFER: I am. I believe that he had an opportunity, because of Tanya working so much to take advantage of a young child. I believe that he was

able to mold her and construct her into the way that he wanted her to be.

BANFIELD: That`s frightening. That`s frightening. Listen, I feel your pain and the concern. I do want to do this. I want to put up that tip line right

now if I can. 512-218-5515 if anyone is watching. And I want to thank you very much, Lea Ann. I think everyone is watching and trying to do their

best.

We are also following the story, Tonya Harding making headlines with the bombshell admission about what she knew before the attack on Nancy

Kerrigan.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:19:26] BANFIELD: There are those headlines in American history so big, everyone tunes in. And follows every twist and every turn. Think about it.

Baby Jessica. O.J. Simpson, Casey Anthony. Who shot J.R.?

And in January of 1994, virtually everyone in America was following the story of Tonya and Nancy. Two young Olympic figure skaters who didn`t even

need last names. They both had the world by the tail until someone took an iron pipe and whacked Nancy Kerrigan`s knee as she came up to practice ice

right before the night before the Olympics. And it is fair to say that that launched their story and their saga right into the stratosphere.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

[19:20:10] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A shocking report regarding the bizarre attack on figure skater Nancy Kerrigan.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who would want to hurt her and fight?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did her rival knock her out of the Olympic running?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nancy Kerrigan withdrew from the U.S. national championships today.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The FBI confirmed that it is probe in conspiracy allegations.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shocking developments kept coming today in a story that has shocked the nation and thrown the high pressure world of figure skating

into a tailspin.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: For months, the story was on the front page of every newspaper, the top of every newscast. It was considered the catfight between colossal

competitors and the thug who nearly finished Nancy Kerrigan`s skating career.

But the one thing nobody knew is whether Tonya Harding knew anything about that attack in advance. And for nearly 24 years, she had said she had no

idea. But now she is changing her story in an interview with ABC.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I knew that something was up. You never said to Jeff, let`s do this?

TONYA HARDING, FORMER OLYMPIC ICE SKATER: No. I did, however, overhear them talking about stuff where maybe we should take somebody out so we can make

sure she gets on the team.

I go, what the hell are you talking about?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: CNN`s sports analyst Christine Brennan joins me live now. She`s also a sports columnist for "USA Today." And I think, Christine, I think

but I can`t be certain that I heard your jaw hit the floor when that little nugget came out because for anybody over, I would say, the age of maybe 40,

this was absolutely massive?

CHRISTINE BRENNAN, CNN SPORTS ANALYST: So it was, Ashleigh, for sure. And I`m actually at the U.S. figure skating championship in San Jose right now

as an Olympic team is being picked again. And this is exactly what was happening 24 years ago. And it was destroyed unlike any other.

But you are right. Tonya always said that said she didn`t know. She pled guilty to hindering the prosecution which meant that she had sort of

(INAUDIBLE) and do a lot our community service and she was kicked out of the U.S. figure skating association rightly so for life for her involvement

in this.

But that was it. And that admission that she knew, which was it what it sounds like she was saying there is a very big deal in a story that was

absolutely huge. Really, one of our first reality TV shows kind of news stories back now 24 years ago.

BANFIELD: I mean, it kind of predated and helped kick off cable news as we know it, you know. There was Larry King, but he was the only game in town.

And it was 24/7.

And you look at these pictures today and for anybody who either doesn`t remember or kind of - it sounds familiar but I`m not real clear on this

story. The girl in the black tights was the tough hardscrabble, unbelievable athletic. Just a bulldog on the ice. She jumped higher and

stronger than anyone. She landed everything. And the girl in the white was as graceful as Grace Kelly. She was a princess who couldn`t jump as high,

but, damn, did she look pretty out there.

And the two of them were incredible rivals who were going to vie for gold and hopefully make the Olympic team and tell Nancy got clubbed. And

everybody thought that might be the end of it. She ended up going on to win a silver medal.

But Christine, the saga that it ended up being and the story that ended up gripping, why? Why was this the story? What was it about Tonya and Nancy?

And what specifically about Tonya made everybody so angry and so hateful?

BRENNAN: Well, because she and her gang of knuckleheads including her live- in ex-husband, and you can`t, Ashleigh, you can`t make up the adjectives in the story. Because of that and what they did, they brought this story of

one competitor going after another, to the forefront, bubbling to the service in a way we have never seen before.

I also think there was an element of sexism. I think we need to be honest about that. These women, they looked beautiful in their costumes. They wear

makeup. Of course, they are tough athletes.

Nancy Kerrigan, for example, was a feisty boss and tomboy who played hockey with her brothers. She was a great jumper. You are alluding to Tonya. Tonya

were competing today. She were in her prime today she would still be able to beat up the U.S. nationals probably with the jumping ability she has and

he frittered it all away.

So you have two strong athletes. And I think a lot of the nation probably didn`t look at them that way. Looked at them as more beautiful ice

princesses. And I think it was so revealing to see how competitive it was even though obviously it went way too great extreme and went way too far,

of course, in this case.

BANFIELD: Well, you nailed it as you always do with the adjective knucklehead.

Let`s show that cast of characters again. Because Jeff Gilooly was that live-in ex-husband seemingly orchestrating the attack. Bring in on Shawn

Eckardt and Shane Stant. I think Derrick Smith at some point playing a significant role in this in this conspiracy.

To really take Nancy out of the running anyway possible. There was this talk about maybe killing her at some point. But then ultimately, just to do

enough damage that that leg would not be viable. And that she wouldn`t be a problem for Tonya Harding to advance when three ice princesses were really,

you know, Kristi Yamaguchi there on the left. And listen, Brennan, you are much better to this than I am, and Nancy Kerrigan and Tonya were the three

top contenders. And that that picture we just saw I think, was that her, was that Tonya in her prime in 1991 winning the world? Is that picture?

[19:25:40] BRENNAN: Well, she - that`s where she landed the triple X or the toughest of the triple jump. And she won the nationals in 1991. But then as

only Tonya could, she ended up not training and not practicing, came out of shape and a little overweight and went to the world championships and then

did not win. That`s when Kristie Yamaguchi won the world in 1991. And then that was on her path to winning the Olympic gold in 1992.

And again, Tonya Harding should have won two Olympic medals. It was sitting there for the taking. And when people see the movie, Ashleigh, and they

talk about all, poor Tonya. No, that`s ridiculous. Even figure skating association sent her not one, but to two Olympic games. And she won two

national titles. One was taken away because of her role in the attack in 1994.

But Tonya Harding, it`s breathtaking, really, how she squandered this incredible opportunities she was given by the sport, by the U.S.

association and really almost everyone. There was no sense that she got a raw deal. She was given amazing opportunities, even more in many ways than

Nancy Kerrigan and squandered them left and right.

BANFIELD: But holy cow, did that woman fall from grace. When I say fall, she fell as hard as any O.J., as any Casey, as any other major American

dramatic figure. And I just want to play, if I can, one of the comments Tonya Harding made to ABC about just how broken she became. Have a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HARDING: I said is it a challenge from the Lord to see how far I could be pushed until I break and become nothing? You can`t push me that far anymore

because I have been nothing. And I have been nothing several times. But it`s my facing myself and my father and that comes back to me and makes me

gets back up off my butt and be something worth being proud of. I always wanted my daddy to be proud. And now, my want my son to be proud.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So, Tonya got married and had that son that she is talking about. Back in 2009, she did an interview with Oprah Winfrey in which she

addressed the relationship with Nancy Kerrigan. And whether she would made amends. I think the big word would be the "a" word. Apology. Have a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If she were here today, what would you want to say to her about all of this?

NANCY KERRIGAN, FORMER SKATER: Well, if she would let me, I would love to give her a hug and just, you know, tell her how proud I am of her being

able to go forward with her life and everything. And stuff like that and congratulations on her children. You know, she`s moved on. I`ve moved on.

It`s part of history that will always be with us.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So, a hug is a far cry from an apology. And, so, the good hard working journalists at ABC tried to get that apology. And here`s how it

came out.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You say you and Nancy Kerrigan were friends.

HARDING: Yes, we were.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Have you ever apologized to Nancy.

HARDING: Enough apologizing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Enough apologizing. That`s when we`re right now.

Let me give a little bit of a primer on what Tonya Harding ended up doing and what Nancy Kerrigan ended up doing after all of that.

Many of you who lived through this probably watched Nancy Kerrigan come home from the Olympics a hero with a silver medal. And what did most sports

heroes get, they got a lucrative deal with Disney in which they had to just appear on camera saying I`m going to Disney World and maybe have a little

fun with Mickey.

But when Nancy Kerrigan came back to America and put on that microphone at Disney world and was in the parade. The microphone was hot. And we got a

sense of the personality behind that graceful princess and it was none too sweet. Have a listen.

(VIDEO CLIP PLAYING)

[19:30:04] BANFIELD: That did not look like the face of a happy Olympic medalist being rumored to be paid $2 million for that endorsement deal from

Disney. Those headlines went everywhere. That tape went everywhere. And a lot of people really took a different look at Nancy Kerrigan having been

victimized prior to the Olympics but behaving in such an unworthy way after the Olympics. For Tonya`s part, life did not go that well. Tonya was

excoriated. Tonya was cut from the herd. Tonya was dumped by America. And this was a photograph of Tonya last year, outside of, I believe, a trailer

where she was living in her pajamas and smoking, and you know, life had not been good to Tonya.

For a while, she tried to, you know, cook up a boxing career. At one point, she did a celebrity boxing rout against Paula Jones, the famous Clinton

accuser. She got in the ring and became a professional boxer for a while. She was vilified and made fun of for that career. But I think it probably

paid the bills for Tonya Harding for some time to be able to at least engage in a sport where there was a television contract, and there was some

money to be paid. And listen, Tonya Harding in a boxing ring that would be a draw.

I want to bring in Sandra Luckow, she followed Tonya Harding and Tonya`s family during the filming of her documentary "Sharp Edges." Now, here`s

what`s so fascinating about you. You skated with her.

SANDRA LUCKOW, FILMMAKER: Yes.

BANFIELD: You were teammates with Tonya.

LUCKOW: Yes.

BANFIELD: You did a documentary, was it for your Yale thesis?

LUCKOW: It was.

BANFIELD: This was a documentary before any of this happened, before any of this catastrophe, before any of this sort of scandal sucked the life out of

the -- out of the news business. And you knew that she was hard-edged. She was -- she was tough. She had that upbringing that was a struggle. And I

want to play this little moment from "Sharp Edges," I mean, can we talk (INAUDIBLE) if I can where Tonya actually sort of looks to the camera and

assesses what her mother and her home life is like. Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TONYA HARDING, FORMER AMERICAN FIGURE SKATER: My relationship with my mom is really bad. She is not -- I mean, she`s a good mother, but she`s not a

good mother. She hits me and she beats me, and she drinks. My mom`s an alcoholic and she had been that (INAUDIBLE) for the last year. And if

anything goes wrong then she has a drink and then if something goes wrong with her work, then she takes it out on me. And everything she does, she

outs me or takes it out on me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: It`s incredible to look at that and know that that`s a 15-year- old girl who is fighting every day just to be able to pay for skating, just to be able to be on that ice, and be, you know, considered worthy of all of

these other fairly, you know, well off families that have their kids in skating. What was your assessment of Tonya Harding then and now?

LUCKOW: Well, she was certainly beyond a shadow of a doubt, the most talented skater that anyone in the northwest had ever seen, and she was

with perhaps the very best coach at the time. And literally, everyone in the community -- my own mother made some skating outfits for her at times -

- everyone was in a huge support, and we knew that this was like the rocky story. We knew that this was the girl going, you know, on the wrong side of

the tracks, trying to -- and we had to keep it a secret in many ways because at one point, when I made the film and it done -- it did very well

at Yale, and was sort of touted because it was the first time a documentary had been accepted as a senior thesis. Diane and Tonya were very much --

BANFIELD: Her coach and --

LUCKOW: Yes, Diane Rawlinson, were very much opposed to us taking the film to a broader audience because they felt that if the judges knew that she

was from the wrong side of the --

BANFIELD: That she`s struggled so much more than the average kid.

LUCKOW: Exactly, that she wasn`t -- Diane said to me this is 1987, this is a -- this is a beauty contest and if they know where she comes from, she

will never win.

BANFIELD: But you knew her then, you knew her background, you knew the struggle with her parents, we all on the outside looked at that girl and

thought she was involved. In fact, you know, most people believed she did the beating. There are a lot of people out there who think that it was

Tonya who wielded that pipe and whacked Nancy`s knee. That didn`t happen. But the notion that there was a conspiracy that she somehow was involved in

or knew about prior of the attack, everybody had their suspicions. It could never be proven. She`s now saying she heard inklings of it prior to. What

did you think knowing this young woman, knowing her capacity, knowing her background and her propensities, did you think she knew or orchestrated, or

actually planned everything?

[19:35:13] LUCKOW: She absolutely knew. I have no -- I have no doubt in my mind. I said it in the (INAUDIBLE) 30 For 30 documentary about it and was

vilified for having said it. But everyone who knew Tonya knew that she was very much involved. All of the forensic evidence proves that Tonya was

involved. What I`m really surprised about is why she`s affirming it now?

BANFIELD: Why do you think she`s -- do you think this is an accident, that she let it slip with ABC?

LUCKOW: I do. I do think that it`s a bit of an accident. I think that Tonya is not very well educated. And I think that it`s -- what does it matter now

anyway? I think that she has been so -- in her film, Tanya, I think that this has been so -- how shall I put this -- I think that it`s been -- it`s

been so sympathetic to her in so many ways because it is her version --

BANFIELD: Sure.

LUCKOW: -- of what happened. I think that it doesn`t really matter now.

BANFIELD: But how much lower can you think at this point really, but I do want to ask specifically, how much lower can you think, Robert Gottlieb?

Does this change any metric anywhere? Could she be charged 24 years later? Statutes and limitations. Is there anything -- is there any exposure that

Tonya Harding for having said what she just said to ABC?

ROBERT GOTTLIEB, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The law would not allow her to be charged with anything at this point. Listen, everybody -- I agree with

Sandra 100 percent -- everybody knew she was guilty. Everybody knew she was involved. She pled guilty to a crime, hindering prosecution.

BANFIELD: After the fact.

GOTTLIEB: But she plead guilty. People do not plead guilty by and law, especially when you are in the public eye unless you did something

criminal. And therefore it`s very clear she knew everything that was going on.

BANFIELD: And there`s Christine Brennan, you know, in the skating venue tonight, basically, 24 years later in the very same situation, they --

imagine her hearing this news and sort of -- all of us flooding back to those early days in the 90s, and realizing here we go again. I -- for her

sake, I think -- I think Tonya Harding has been punished enough. I think everybody deserves a second chance. And I don`t think this will change the

metric really for anybody but I think it is fascinating. But then again, I`m 50. Thank you all. I appreciate it so much as I appreciate your

insight. And Sandra, fantastic foresight to have that -- to have done that documentary at age 15, when she was age 15. Thank you so much.

LUCKOW: Thank you.

BANFIELD: So, generally, it is the homeowner who wants to kill the contractor, right, when the job gets botched it doesn`t get done? But in

Virginia, police say it was the (AUDIO GAP) who literally wanted to kill his client and tried. And you won`t believe what the cameras caught but

you`re going to see it.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:42:06] BANFIELD: Most of us have heard a nightmare story about a contractor who didn`t do the job, didn`t do it right, or maybe didn`t

finish the whole thing, right? But you probably have not heard the story of Daniel Jamison. There was this homeowner in Virginia who paid him $41,000

upfront to do some work on his home. But Jamison did not finish and instead, Jamison took off, and Jamison was charged with construction fraud.

But did Jamison do what any professional should do and make good on that contract, maybe finish the work? No. He hired a hitman to kill the client

instead. A hitman who just so happened to be an undercover police officer. Don`t you hate when that happens? No, because it makes for amazing

videotape. And wouldn`t you know it, Jamison`s entire evil plan was caught on said videotape.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DANIEL JAMISON, DEFENDANT: Now, the deck is off the second story.so it`s, you know --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right, right. ` JAMISON: -- like a ton of clearance.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that just a wooden door?

JAMISON: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, it`s not anything.

JAMISON: Now, had anything changed since I`ve been here? I don`t know. But I can give you the layout of the (BLEEP) house like nobody`s business. I`ve

done a shit ton of work in the house. Well, when you walk in through that door, there`s a big entertainment room. There is, off to the side, there`s

a little room that`s his game room with pinball machines and everything else.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

JAMISON: And right in front of you is going to be a set of stairs. Those stairs go right up to the first floor.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

JAMISON: Literally, you walk around the column and there`s the stairs for the upstairs. There`s two bedrooms downstairs that hardly anybody`s ever in

because it`s only when she`s over with her kids.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

JAMISON: A bathroom. You`re going to walk around when you come up those stairs, you go right and you`re going to come into the living room. Keep

going. Follow that chaise right around, you`ll be into the kitchen. And then right there in the same block in the center of the house, the stairs

go upstairs.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

JAMISON: When you come up to the top of the stairs, his room is going to be on the right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, how quick do you want this done?

JAMISON: The sooner the better.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. All right.

JAMISON: Every time he paid me when I was actually working on the job, I mean, there was stacks of cash but he`d pull out 10 grand in cash and there

was still ton, a ton of money in there. What`s in there, anything else, I don`t know. I know he has a lot of expensive jewelry, diamonds. I mean,

diamonds are kind of hit and miss because of the numbers on them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right, right.

JAMISON: You know, like his watches and everything else. He`s got (BLEEP) Rolexes sitting right there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that all in his room -- bedroom?

[19:45:01] JAMISON: Bedroom, closet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Normally, it`s -- well, normally, it would be 10 grand. It`s going to be five up front, five on the back end. If you can do -- if

you can do the five, then we can do 35 up front. If what`s in there is what we think is going to be in there, then we`re good. If what we think is

going to be in there and I`m not talking we get in there, it`s you know some Fossil watches or something, you know what I mean? I`m talking about

legit. You know, or that -- and I`m not going to bullshit with you. It`s better for me. If I go in there and that`s what in that safe, I`d never --

then I`d never talk to you again. I don`t have to -- I don`t have to come, you know, get the rest of the money. We never see each other again. You

just, you know, it`s done because you know it`s done.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Oops. Daniel Jamison may have tried to kill a client but he never went to trial because he made a plea deal. According to the reports, during

his sentencing he cried and he apologized for what he`d done. His attorney insisted that he wasn`t serious but the judge didn`t buy it. And now the

killer contractor is going to spend the next ten years behind bars. What`s always fascinating is to talk to the cops. And I got the chance to do that

now.

Second Lieutenant Tom Harrington, the Fairfax County Police Department, and he`s the boss of the guy who is in the driver`s side, who`s what you call

an undercover detective so you can`t see his face.

Lieutenant, thanks so much for being with us. This case is -- I mean you look at these tapes, and you wonder how can someone be so dumb? But did it

seem to you when you got these tapes that this was just open and shut, you kind of like had him by the -- by the nuts and bolts?

2ND LT. TOM HARRINGTON, FAIRFAX COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT: Yes, thank you for having us. So, basically, people will say, oh, you never heard him say

murder. You never heard him say I want this guy killed, but it was very clear in the interactions with the detective in the meetings that they had

because Mr. Jamison had already been arrested and released. He wanted this done before his court date. All of the circumstances in what you don`t

realize in that video is they`re in a vehicle and Mr. Jamison is actually driving him to a back alley showing him how to get to the house.

BANFIELD: Oh, man.

HARRINGTON: So the totality of the event is what spells out what exactly he wanted done and it made it very clear to us.

BANFIELD: It`s hard to -- it`s hard to believe, one that, you know, this fellow`s attorney, you know, goes in front of a judge and says that he was

only making -- jokingly making contact with this so-called hitman, and that he knew that guy was a cop. In fact, now knowing that that`s what the

attorney argued, that my client knew that was a cop, this was all a joke. I want to just listen to the money deal that was made all in the same vein as

a church picnic is mentioned. And then you can decide, our viewers can decide if they believe that Mr. Jamison knew this guy was a cop and this

was all a joke. Have a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At what point are you able to come up with like 500?

JAMISON: 500, I can probably do without my wife`s really knowing what`s going on probably by the end of next week. The biggest thing is I need to

get to New York to get cash without her realizing what`s going on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

JAMISON: I was going to try to actually go this weekend, but with it being Labor Day, she`s got the church picnic and all of the other stuff the

church does. And if I`m not there, she`s going to start asking a shit ton of (BLEEP) questions.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right, right.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: The church picnics really get in the way of contract killing. I got to be honest, it happens all the time. I do want to read what the judge

said because -- in fact, I said it was all a joke. The judge was not -- he didn`t find it funny and he wasn`t laughing, and he didn`t believe him for

a minute. Judge Michael Devine with the Fairfax County Circuit Court said this, "Mr. Jamison, I don`t believe a word of your story about how this

offense was committed. I believe you intended to have Mr. Mann killed. I believe you were in deep financial trouble and understood that another

conviction would put you in great danger. I cannot give you credit for taking responsibility because I don`t think you have. I think you continue

to lie to me, to these people. You committed a serious crime and I`m going to impose a serious sentence." And he gave him 10 years. Could he give him

in 40? That`s what prosecutors where asking but we got 10 years.

My thanks to Lieutenant Tom Harrington for joining us and for doing a great job. And you know what, it`s one less bad guy on the streets. This guy in

Alaska is facing some jail time after police say he used the sex offender registry to track down and beat up sex offenders. Now, I know no one likes

sex offenders, but is that kind of vigilante justice the right thing to do? Wait till you hear what he has to say about what he did.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:53:42] BANFIELD: If you have not heard the name Jason Vukovich from Alaska, I wouldn`t be surprised. Except for that he`s making big headlines

up there because that fellow decided to use the sex offender registry to track down sex offenders that he didn`t know, that had done nothing to him,

but he wanted to beat the living daylights out of them, and he did it, several times over, in fact. One of the men apparently was beaten in the

head with a hammer terribly, four or five times, debilitating injuries. The photographs are pretty harrowing. Mr. Vukovich is now facing up to 25 years

behind bars. And he`s also saying that he doesn`t believe what he did was the right thing. He says vigilante justice ain`t the right thing to do,

urging others don`t do what I did. He`s getting a flood of letters from people saying you did the right thing. But Robert Gottlieb, you know people

love to hate sex offenders. But we have a sex offender registry for other reasons, not for vigilante justice.

GOTTLIEB: Unfortunately, Ashleigh, this is not an isolated incident. I`ve represented individuals charged and convicted ultimately. Unfortunately,

the sex offender registration requirements, Megan`s law and other laws like it, beg people because they`re being notified by law enforcement that

somebody is living a few doors down from them. Harassment occurs all the time.

BANFIELD: And if you fear that this is going to happen to you, you would float that law for your own safety. And then, of course, other people don`t

get the protection that is deserved. Thank you for that, appreciate it.

[19:55:07] Don`t go anywhere. I have an important programming note to tell you about Thursday on HLN, Sean Spicer, Spicy, as he`s known to some,

unfiltered. The former White House Press Secretary is going to join my colleague S.E. Cupp to cover all of the headlines. It is a special edition

of "S.E. CUPP UNFILTERED" with Sean Spicer for the entire hour. Again, mark the calendar, Thursday, January 4th, 5:00 P.M. Eastern, right here on HLN.

I cannot confirm or deny whether Melissa McCarthy will be here, but Sean Spicer will be.

There`s a new law in one state that treats pets more like children in custody cases. That`s "ONE MORE THING" that`s coming up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: "ONE MORE THING" tonight. If you split with your spouse, there can be a contentious custody fight over the kids and the pets. Now, in

Illinois, a new state law allows judges in divorce proceedings to consider the well-being of a couple`s cats, dogs, or other four-legged fur babies

when deciding sole or joint ownership. So, why did they do it? The sponsor of the legislation says most people treat their animals more like children

instead of property. And that`s that.

Thanks for watching, everybody. We`ll see you right back here tomorrow night, 6:00 P.M. Eastern for CRIME & JUSTICE. Stay tuned, "FORENSIC FILES"

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