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[18:00:00] ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HOST, HLN: Good evening, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. It is 6 o`clock Eastern and here are your headlines.

Tonight, 58 millions of Americans are in the path of a devastating winter storm. And that storm has already killed 16 people. Power outages are

leaving nearly 44,000 people along the East Coast without any electricity. Thousands of flights have now been cancelled or delayed right across this

country.

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only one in $302 billion. But you can also get in on Saturday`s jackpot drawing. That`s up to $550 million.

Sub-zero temperature in Milwaukee took the life of a hit-and-run driver who just happens to be on parole for another crime. Mark Henderson decided to

hide in the bushes after running a red light and causing a four car crash. And that is where he froze to death.

It was eight years ago that Henderson killed a woman in another hit-and-run crash.

And the medical examiner has now confirmed that the three-year-old girl who went missing in Texas actually died by homicidal violence, this is after

her dad indicated that she died after choking on her milk and then running off in the middle of the night.

Her name is Sherin Mathews. Her name was Sherin Mathews. She found in a drainage tunnel two weeks after her father told that story to the police.

That father has since been arrested and has been charged with felony injury to a child.

I want to get started on the show tonight. A little different show, so stick with me. One of the greatest and worst things about America is that

you can sue anybody you want if you feel wronged. You might get laughed out of court, you may lose your shirt paying legal bills but you can still sue.

And if anybody knows that, our president does. He has sued more people than most of us put together. And that`s why he`s now threatening to sue the

author, publishers and players of the new bombshell book that`s coming out. It`s a book that paints a pretty messy picture of the White House also of

his advisers and of his family.

And that picture has blanketed the airwaves and every front page across the country for the last 24 hours.

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POPPY HARLOW, HOST, CNN: OK, listen up, everyone. There are new exerts that just released this morning from this book, it`s rocking the White

House.

WOLF BLITZER, HOST, CNN: President`s lawyers are trying to suppress the spending new book which reveals chaos and dysfunctions in the White House.

HARLOW: Here it is. You can`t make this blank up. Sean Spicer soon to be portrayed as the most happiest man in America muttered himself after his

tortured press briefing on the first day of the new administration.

JAKE TAPPER, HOST, CNN: Take what he allegedly said to his 29-year-old communication director. Hope Hicks. This was excerpts that in British GQ

today. And it`s about rumors of Hicks relationship with a former campaign staffer in which President Trump told her, according to Wolff, quote,

"you`re the best piece of tail he will ever have, sending Hicks running from the room."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Former White House chief strategist, Steve Bannon reportedly telling Wolff that special counsel Robert Mueller would crack

Don Jr. like an egg on national TV in the Russia investigation.

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BANFIELD: Well, that`s something. So here`s a question since this is a show about justice, is it just for the president to threaten the First

Amendment rights of American citizen or any American citizens. And while we`re at it, is it just for a former White House adviser to dump all this

sort of details after being fired?

According to the White House a Trump lawsuit is a fair defense against what they say is a book full of complete fantasy.

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SARAH HUCKABEE-SANDERS, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: It is absolutely laughable to think that somebody like this president would run for office

with the purpose of losing. If you guys know anything, you know that Donald Trump is a winner and he`s not going to do something for the purpose of not

coming out on top and not coming out as a winner. It`s just, I mean, that`s the most ridiculous thing I think of the claims in the book.

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BANFIELD: Joining me now is CNN senior media correspondent and host of Reliable Sources, Brian Stelter, CNN political commentator, Paris Dennard,

and CNN contributor, Michael D`Antonio. And also, defense attorney Troy Slaten is going to join us to talk a little bit about the merits of any

kind of lawsuit if said lawsuit ever gets filed in the first place.

First, to you Brian Stelter, there is got to be a lot of release sort of stuff for the president to get this mad and make this kind of a threat of

what`s in the book.

BRIAN STELTER, SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT, CNN: He is the fury in "Fire and Fury." Now think about his reaction in this book in the last 24 hours.

First, he had his personal attorney threatened Steve Bannon and then this morning he sent a letter to the publisher and the author saying, don`t you

dare release this book, don`t you dare sent this bookstores as well. It`s already at the bookstores; it`s sitting in the back.

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[18:05:05] BANFIELD: And didn`t he get an answer?

STELTER: And the publisher is moving it up. That`s right. The publisher is moving it up four days. This book will now be released Friday 9 a.m.

Eastern Time.

BANFIELD: And they`re ignoring...

STELTER: People can get this online.

BANFIELD: The publisher has said to you they are ignoring this cease-and- desist order.

STELTER: Yes, that`s the most important new development. They say this is a book of extraordinary public importance. It needs to be seen, it needs to

be read and it will come out tomorrow. So they are officially defying the president`s demand.

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BANFIELD: What`s got -- what`s got under President`s Trump so bad that he`s taken this kind of action that to threaten to sue those who are

speaking on their First Amendment rights?

STELTER: I would say there`s two buckets of content. It`s particularly disturbing and damaging to Trump and to his presidency. The first are the

anonymously source. Unsourced claim about how his aides don`t think he`s confident or capable of being president that they embarrassed by his

presidency.

Then you have the second bucket of on the record, quote, this is what`s been making headlines for the last two days. Steve Bannon quoted saying Don

Jr. may have committed treason, things like that. There`s a new quote out today attributed to Bannon saying Ivanka Trump is as dumb as a brick. This

is personal, it`s ugly. It`s about Trump`s family and I think that maybe what caused him to be so furious.

BANFIELD: There`s also sort of these anecdotes that just paint the picture of somebody who is unstable and unusual in office of the presidency. I

think the one that I read that stood out to me super significantly what that he`s in bed at 6 o`clock at night eating cheese burgers and watching

three TV screen screens. And at the same time sort of running rushed at over anybody who comes into his room to do many details or jobs.

STELTER: Right. You know, we know that he watches a lot of TV and we know he loves cheese burgers. However, that`s the kind of anecdote that Trump

may challenge or that his aides may challenge. They say he oftentimes had dinner with his friends in the evening. He often stays up late and doesn`t

go to bed early.

There are definitely some details in this book that I`m skeptical about. For example, there is a couple of errors that we already know about.

There`s been a couple of denials of specific claims. But, Ashleigh, that`s not -- for example, Boehner, John Boehner, there is a quote from an ally of

Trump saying he didn`t know who John Boehner was.

BANFIELD: You know, I`m glad you mention that. Because I think Sarah Huckabee-Sanders took to the mic today.

STELTER: Yes. She had a point.

BANFIELD: ... at the press conference specifically referencing that issue that was made that he didn`t even knew who the speaker of the House, John

Boehner was.

STELTER: Right.

BANFIELD: And this is how Sarah Huckabee-Sanders. And I want to play the long version of how she specifically addresses that claim that the

president of the United States didn`t even know who the speaker of the house was. Take a look.

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SANDERS: But there are numerous examples of falsehood that takes place in the book. I will give you one. Just because it`s really easy. The fact that

there was a claim that the president didn`t know who John Boehner is pretty ridiculous considering the majority of you have seen photos, and frankly,

some of you have tweeted out that the president not only knows him but has played golf about him and tweeted about him.

I am not going to waste my time or the country`s time going page by page talking about a book that`s complete fantasy and just full of tabloid

gossip because it`s sad and pathetic. And our administration and our focus is going to be on moving the country forward.

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STELTER: Now I think Sarah Huckabee-Sanders has a point there about the Boehner reference. But this is a 300-page book. We have only seen 5 percent

of it. It has a number of disturbing details about the president about his fitness for office. And most of what we`ve seen so far, he`s not

contradicting of what we`ve learned for the past year. It`s actually supporting and confirming what`s been out there.

There is a lot of stories about the president`s trouble in office about dysfunction in the West Wing. This book is adding more details on top and

some of them may, you know, maybe challenged or maybe denied. But Steve Bannon is on the record here saying shocking things and he hasn`t denied a

word of it.

BANFIELD: Well, and I`ll tell you what, there is a whole different kettle of fish when you are talking about libel and defamation when you`re a big

public figure. And you don`t get bigger or more public than being the president of the United States.

And all you have to do is look a bit at the case lost Sullivan versus the New York Times to know what it takes to actually come up with the malice

that the absolute necessity to be able to prove that kind of merit in a case.

I`m going to get to that in a minute. First I want to bring in Paris Dennard. Paris, you have spoken very highly of the president and of the

administration to see these claims come out. I`m feeling as though you will not be happy with this and that you might know a thing or two about what`s

true and what isn`t true. Do you have sources in the White House who say these kinds of things or the opposite?

PARIS DENNARD, POLITICAL COMMENTATOR, CNN: Listen, I never heard anybody in the White House of the -- I am at the White House on almost a regular

basis for different reasons and I have never heard anybody inside the White House say those things about this president or quite frankly, about the

vice president or the administration.

The problem that I have is that we have a nation, we have a reporter and we have people who are so hungry to undermine, in my opinion, this presidency.

[18:09:59] And we forget. It`s not just about President Donald J. Trump. It`s about the Office of the Presidency. We should all want the president

to succeed because if the president succeeds, and his agenda is one that succeeds it will benefit the American people.

BANFIELD: So Paris, is Steve Bannon who`s been touted as a close personal friend of President Trump, he said it himself. That`s been denied by Sarah

Huckabee today. Is Steve Bannon lying?

DENNARD: Well, what we can say is that all of this is about substantiated claims. Like Brian said, and some on the record interviews that are in a

book that has yet to be released which is supposed to go out tomorrow. So we don`t even know the fullness, context is important. But I saw report...

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BANFIELD: So just answer that though. A material that`s on the record from Steve Bannon.

DENNARD: Right.

BANFIELD: He referred to it on his radio -- on a radio show this morning. Those are damming things that he has said and he was right there in the

Oval Office, he was right by the president`s side until he was fired. Is he disgruntled, are these lies or is there fire where there is smoke?

DENNARD: I feel a lot more smoke because of all the things that have been coming out to discredit that even Tony Blair, the former prime minister

came out and said the things in the book are inaccurate. He did not tell that to Jared Kushner.

I think he is disgruntle, but we are all basing this on the claims that are in the book and in or out of context. What I did read was that Bannon was

going to issue a statement, a source close to him said he was going to issue a statement but he backtracked off of the statement saying that

Donald Jr. was actually a patriot and that he was taken out of context. So what I do know is this.

BANFIELD: So let`s not -- without question, he has said today specifically on the radio of Donald Trump is a great man and Donald Trump has repeated

that in a news conference today.

What about this particular claim from Steve Bannon that Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner made an earnest deal. If sometime in the future the

opportunity she would be the one to run for president. The first woman president, Ivanka entertain, would not be Hillary Clinton, it would be

Ivanka Trump. And that`s a direct quote from Steve Bannon. Is that untrue or is that true?

DENNARD: I don`t know for sure if it`s untrue but I think it`s irrelevant. I think we should celebrate the fact that people want to still under this

climate and all of the -- out of all the attacks that this Trump (Inaudible) still want to run for president.

Young women can look at Ivanka and say, you know what, if she wants to serve for zero pay inside the White House and still wants to serve as the

more and be the president of the United States, that`s something that we should celebrate and not looked down upon.

For some reason there are people who want to take that and make that into a negative. That is something that should be celebrated. It was celebrated

when Hillary Clinton wanted to run, it`s celebrated when Kamala Harris, the senator of California as speculated if she`s going to run and why not if

she`s speculated if Ivanka Trump...

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BANFIELD: Well, I`ll give you that. I will give you that. I just -- I haven`t heard Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris ever been categorized or

described as dumb as a brick from the same person who is giving the anecdote. I`ve certainly heard a lot of derogatory comments about Hillary

Clinton certainly during the campaign and afterwards, but not that kind of a quote, which I think is...

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DENNARD: I`ve been in meetings with Ivanka Trump and she is sharp, intelligent, and very smart.

BANFIELD: I`ve met Ivanka Trump.

DENNARD: Yes.

BANFIELD: And she seems sharp and delightful to me as well. I just find it astounding to have someone who is so close to the president describe her

that way. Hold that thought for a minute. I want to bring in Michael...

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DENNARD: Scott McClellan did the same thing with Bush as he was called president.

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STELTER: No, it`s not. There is nothing like this. We have never seen this before in our lives, Paris. Let`s be honest about that.

DENNARD: Actually we have. If you go back to what Scott...

STELTER: Go buy his book, Paris. Look at Dana Perino said...

DENNARD: ... from the press briefing room when Scott McClellan wrote his tell-all about the Bush administration. He describes him I think

disgruntled employee.

BANFIELD: I have never seen this kind of disparagement during the sitting of a president. I honestly...

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STELTER: He said the president committed treason. He said it out loud. A lot of people might think that privately but now there is an insider saying

it. That`s why this is so scary. The man who was President Trump`s chief strategist who was in the West Wing and the Oval Office every day. He says

Trump is going to go down as a result of the Russia investigation. It`s shocking material.

DENNARD: You are taking something out of context.

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BANFIELD: Unpatriotic. Those are two...

DENNARD: So go back and read the book if you want to.

BANFIELD: ... from the man. Listen, I find the whole thing astounding considering the man who says that the president and his son and the

behavior during that meeting at Trump Tower was treasonous and unpatriotic. Almost in the same 24-hour period says Donald Trump is a great man. It is a

-- it is a juxtaposition of categorizing of this president and his family`s behavior that I can`t -- I can`t make sense of.

But I want to bring in Michael D`Antonio who wrote the "Truth About Trump." And Michael, you`re no stranger to having the threat of a lawsuit leveled

against you. Donald Trump threatened to sue you as well, did he?

MICHAEL D`ANTONIO, CONTRIBUTOR, CNN: No, he never did. You know, he was threatened to sue hundreds of people and actually the very first journalist

to write a major profile of Donald Trump in 1978 was threatened with a lawsuit, too. The difference is he`s now president of the United States.

When he threatened me, he was still a private citizen. They saw the book it was based on on-the-record interviews and documentation and there was

nothing to sue about.

[18:15:08] Now in this case, I think we have a categorically different kind of book that is a mix mash of innuendo and surmise all and then some on the

record stuff. I think we should focus on on-the-record stuff.

But the president is in a bad spot here as we all know as a public person really the most public person in the world. He`s got a steep hill to climb

if he wants to sue for libel or slander and then it opens up all the possibilities of discovery. So does he want or the members of his

administration wants to be deposed in a lawsuit about this book.

BANFIELD: Well, I`m glad you -- I`m glad you brought that up. Because most people who have been threatened with the lawsuit from Donald Trump. I think

Gloria Allred maybe the loudest among them have said bring it on. Bring it on because I`d love to get on the record with you. I`d love to get into a

room and work on discovery with you and I would love to do some depositions with you about all of these things.

So that`s a fascinating legal aspect which brings me to Troy Slaten, defense attorney. Troy, I think you are on the phone with us right now. But

you are the perfect person to answer to this. The bar for slandering and libeling a person is not the same as it is for a major public figure.

You can slander my brother right now and he could sue. And if you have said the same things about me, I could not. There is a huge difference when you

are a public figure and you also have to bring in that notion of malice which isn`t the classic definition. It`s more of reckless disregard for the

truth.

So the truth is your ultimate weapon in any kind of slander or libel case that would be brought, and that means you got to go and swear under oath

and you got to prove that that material you are so upset about is not true.

With that said, I want to play something that the late night comedians have been saying. They are not necessarily being sued right now but this is the

kind of thing that gets under Donald Trump`s skin. This is the kind of thing that gets him very angry. And when people are angry and they don`t

like what`s being said about them, sometimes they lashed back and sometimes they use the courts. Have a look.

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JIMMY KIMMEL, TV HOST: This book paints a very unflattering picture. His phrase is hair with just for men and Ivanka makes fun of them for it, he`s

constantly leaking information about himself and then demanding to know who leaked the information.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Steve Bannon had nothing to do with me or my presidency when he was fired. He not only lost his job. He lost his mind.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lost his mind. That`s pretty harsh. But what kind of stuff has Bannon been saying since he was fired.

BANNON: Every person in this country should get down and thank God Donald Trump is president of the United States.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Clearly insane.

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BANFIELD: A lot of people may get the chuckle out of that. I don`t think the president does. And I think, Troy, you`re now with us on video. It`s

good to see you. I want to get your legal opinion on the merits of a lawsuit whether you think there actually might be a lawsuit ever filed or

whether this is just some of the saber rattling from the highest post in the United States.

TROY SLATEN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Ashleigh, thanks for having me. I`m glad to actually be in the studio.

Anyone can sue anyone for anything. And it`s true that the truth is the defense in any defamation case whether it be libel, written, you know, or

slander spoken. But it`s true with the public figure when we`re talking about somebody who`s widely known and it`s a matter of public importance,

the standard under New York Times v. Sullivan that you cited is actual malice.

That means that the person who published it had knowledge of the falsity of it and with the reckless regard for that falsity decided to publish it

anyway.

BANFIELD: Yes. Those are important words. Those are important standards and if anyone should know that it`s one of most lawsuit savvy people in the

United States and that is Donald Trump. There is a statistic I think at one point that showed his business was responsible for more lawsuits than I

believe almost any. I`m not going to say it definitively but it was an astounding number of lawsuits over the last several decades.

SLATEN: Yes.

BANFIELD: That Donald Trump and the Trump organization has been responsible for.

To all of you, thank you for your insights. This is not going away. As long as people like us are here to talk about him, he`s not going to be happy

about it. No president is, but suing us, we have a Constitution. Thank you, all. All of you, I appreciate it.

I got this programming note for you as well and this is great. Coming up at 8 o`clock Eastern. You got it. An encore presentation of Sean Spicer

Unfiltered. The former White House press secretary he`s going to join my colleague S.E. Cupp cover all the headlines and what it was like inside

that Oval Office.

[19:19:59] A special edition of S.E. Cupp Unfiltered with Sean Spicer for the hour tonight 8 p.m. Eastern right here on HLN.

Breaking news tonight. Lulu and Lily, the two missing Texas girls who were gone for days now found safe in Colorado. You are going to hear from the

first responder who is there on the scene and check them out. Also there when that man Terry Miles was captured with them. So how are the girls, how

are they found, what conditions are they in and what`s the story about this man who was there and the charges he may now be facing in addition to the

ones he is facing.

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BANFIELD: Their mother was found dead in their home under suspicious circumstances and they have been missing for days. Two sisters just 14 and

7 who police feared were in danger in the hands of their mother`s roommate who just so happen to be a convicted criminal. It turns out the police were

right.

We know tonight that Terry Allen Miles, a man with accusations ranging from murder to rape of a juvenile had taken those girls to Colorado, some 700

miles from their home in Round Rock, Texas. Police in every state were urging locals to look for their faces. But tonight, they have all three

been found.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Terry Miles was taken into custody into Colorado and Lily and Lulu were found safe. We`re very excited. Many, many hours went

into ensuring that these girls were found safe. Like I said earlier, the whole goal is to bring these two sisters home.

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BANFIELD: So here is what happened. Last night in Colorado, someone spotted Terry Miles driving the car that police reported they were looking

for. Just hours after they released these pictures of him on surveillance in the same county. They tracked him down in a remote area and they brought

those girls to safety.

And tonight we are learning more about this alleged abductor. As police try to determine who killed the mother of those young girls.

Lauren Kravetz is the Williamson County reporter for CNN affiliate W -- or KXAN, and she joins me from Round Rock, Texas tonight. Lauren, tell me a

little bit about how they caught him how they found the girls and what kind of tips led to that?

LAUREN KRAVETZ, REPORTER, KXAN: Right. Well, as you mentioned they were all found together in that car that has been broadcasted since former Amber

Alert went out New Year`s Eve. Again, somebody spotted his car driving, this is in Colorado, southern Colorado. A little north of Trinidad which is

where those surveillance photos were taken from the store there.

And somebody said that something seems odd, right. You get that feeling sometimes that maybe something isn`t right. He said that the person was

driving kind of strangely. That couple then got home shortly after that popped on the news and saw that car. And so they alerted authorities.

They then, local county sheriffs out there found the car and they said that they were able to pull him over, miles driving the two girls in that car

driving a little erratically they say but they say they were able to take him into custody without incident. So they are all still in Colorado.

Miles is expected to be extradited back here in Texas. But we`re told that could take a couple of weeks. So once he does get back here, he will be

tried here in Texas, in Austin, Texas. As far as the girls go, I haven`t heard back as to where they`ll go. But we did speak with CPS, Child

Protective Services. They say they always look to place the children in these circumstances with family or family`s friends first.

So, still waiting to see where they will go, but thankfully, they are safe.

BANFIELD: The condition of those little girls and the girls were found apparently in the vehicle. I want to play something from Chief Allen Banks

that we saw at the beginning of this segment. He`s he Round Rock P.D. chief. He talked about the girls in the vehicle and how they were

discovered. The conditions of them and what happens next. So it`s a little bit official like a cop speak, but it`s important to hear from the horse`s

mouth about the girls are. Have a look.

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ALLEN BANKS, POLICE CHIEF, ROUND ROCK: So, approximately 7 p.m. local time, a Los Alamos County sheriff, which is right around Trinidad base off

a tip, we`re going off a tip that was received that the subjects were in that area. We went looking for the vehicle or the subjects. Came across the

subjects, the vehicle, in that area on the roadway. Pulled them behind that vehicle. The vehicle started driving erratically, he waited for his backup

to arrive and initiated a high risk traffic stop and Terry Miles was taken into custody without incident.

The two girls were located inside the vehicle. They both were unharmed and safe at that time. Child Protective Services in Colorado and in Texas will

be working on getting the girls home at some point in the near future and getting them reacquainted back to their families.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So that last bit stands out. Getting the girls back to their families. Their mother, Tonya Bates, is dead. We have no idea of the

circumstances at this point surrounding her death and what those children knew or may have seen.

Lauren, I don`t know if you know, do you know if those girls have been told that their mother is dead. Do we know if their mother saw their mother

being killed, do we know anything about how Tonya Bates died?

KRAVETZ: You know, what we did learn today from the Department of Justice is a little bit more details. Again, we learned yesterday that it was a

homicide, originally being called a suspicious death. We now know that it was blunt force trauma.

[18:29:56] As far as what those girls know, authorities have not released that information yet. We do not at this time even the family members

haven`t been in contact with the girls since when they`re with federal authorities. I did speak with the father of Lily today. He is still trying

to figure out what`s going to happen.

He would like to get custody of those girls, but, you know, even he has not talked to them yet. So, we don`t know what they know. We are hoping that

they did not witness that death, obviously, very, very traumatic.

BANFIELD: There are a couple of other things that we have learned about -- about this suspect, Terry Allen Miles and his rap sheet. And we got three

new charges that we can add to the rap sheet and to his history beginning in 2002.

He was convicted of inflicting corporal injury on a spouse or cohabitant. Also, in 2002, he was convicted of making a terrorist threat. And in 1995,

yet again, another conviction for inflicting corporal injury on a spouse/cohabitant.

And then I am just going to have to roll the scroll of everything else that he`s been involved in because his run ins with the law have been numerous

and lengthy and they go back in 2009, at least the ones that we could find.

While all of this is just rolling, I want to bring in Chief Dan Moynihan. He is the Trinidad Ambulance District in Las Animas County Sheriff`s Office

representative. He was on the scene for the capture of Terry Miles and for the rescue of Lulu and Lili.

Chief, thank you so much for being with us tonight. Can you tell just me how the girls are when you came across them and looked them over and just

gave them a checkup? How are they doing? How did they seem?

DAN MOYNIHAN, CHIEF, TRINIDAD AMBULANCE DISTRICT (via telephone): Well, of course, initially, having a large police presence like we have there, they

were somewhat shaken up. But after we spent about 10 minutes with them, they just had normal conversation and they did not seem too upset to me. No

physical injuries. They were mentating well. They were -- they were just like normal kids.

BANFIELD: Did they say anything to you about this terrible odyssey that they have been exposed to in the last several days?

MOYNIHAN (via telephone): The girls really said nothing. It was conversation more about where they were camping and how pretty it would be

in the summer.

BANFIELD: Did they know as though there was anything wrong or did they know about their mother?

MOYNIHAN (via telephone): It didn`t seem like they knew anything. None of them brought it up. Basically it was a conversation of do you have any

medical issues that we need to be concerned about, are you injured anywhere, do you hurt anywhere.

And neither one of them had any complaints. Again, with the conversation just turn more towards normal day-to-day talk. They did not appear to be

terribly upset at that time.

BANFIELD: Chief, I mean, listen, your senses, they tingle when you deal with this kind of extraordinary tight rope. It`s difficult. I mean, you`re

on the razor`s edge when you are dealing with children who could be terribly traumatized. And at the same time, you are dealing with a

potential of a case against the man they were found with.

There have been allegations that perhaps he had some kind of a connection to the older girl. There have been allegations that she had been sleeping

in his bed, perhaps being too close on the sofa by a neighbor and a friend of the family.

And that there was a great discomfort with the relationship that this friend of the family had with Terry Allen Miles and his relationship with

this 14-year-old. Did you get the sense that anything wrong have been happening while they were on the road?

MOYNIHAN (via telephone): You know, none of them mentioned anything. And quite honestly, we didn`t ask because the FBI was involved, and so pretty

much they want to make sure -- obviously they have greater resources than we do in a rural county. They have experts and victim representatives to

meet with the children, children services to meet with the children.

And obviously law enforcement -- federal law enforcement was going to question the suspect. So we really did not get into talking to the suspect

much. He really did not offer any resistance at all. I think he was so surprised being out in the middle of nowhere, up in the mountains and

seeing five law enforcement vehicles behind them all at once.

It was overwhelming for him. He really did not say anything at the time that he was placed into custody. The girls were again just shaken up a

little bit at the time they were taken from the car. They exited the car on their own. They were walking and talking and just pretty much holding onto

each other.

So, again, initially, it seemed that they were scared more by the police presence not knowing what was going on more than anything else because 10

minutes later after talking to them, they just seemed to settle back down.

BANFIELD: Well, he sent a text from one of their phones and pretending -- sending a text to his own mother on one of their phones, pretending that

something terrible had happened to Tonya, alluding to a boyfriend and it will be fascinating once the FBI digs into that text, digs into what the

mother of this man knew or what she may not have known, and then is able to hopefully interview those children.

Chief Moynihan, thank you very much. Lauren Kravets, thank you as well.

A chilling emotionless confession from the mother of a 5-year-old girl, dead.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What happened to Ashley, how she die?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I killed her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you kill her?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How did you kill her?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know, just killed her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you hit her?

BANFIELD (voice over): The big question, why on earth would anyone do that to this tiny and sweet innocent face? The details right ahead.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: A missing child is a parent`s worst nightmare especially since children are so young and defenseless. So when police in North Canton, Ohio

got a call from this little girl`s parents, this is Ashley Zhao, these parents said that their adorable 5-year-old daughter had disappeared.

Understandably the police had a top priority finding this little Ashley. But they had no idea how terrible it would be when they actually did find

her.

(START VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): What`s going on?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): I can`t find my daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): How old is she?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): Five. She just turned five.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): You haven`t seen her in five hours?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): about, yes. I mean, she was there sleeping.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): Where was she sleeping at, in the restaurant?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): Yes, yes. She was sleeping there and I picked up my older daughter from school. We all saw her sleeping there. So

we went to work and, you know, we let her sleep. And we got busy and then, after we got busy, we started cleaning up. And then, you know, we opened

the door and she`s not here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): Was there any suspicious people that came in at all? Do you think she could have woke up and ran out somewhere?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): No, no. I have no idea. I mean, she was sleeping in the back. It`s kind of hard to say when she was --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): None of your employees have seen her?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): There`s only two of us, just myself and my wife. There`s nobody else in the restaurant.

BANFIELD (voice over): The very next day, little Ashley`s body was in fact found inside that very restaurant. And it didn`t take police long to hone

in on Ashley`s parents, who still didn`t know their daughter`s body had been discovered, so they said.

(START VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can I tell you something else?

You want me to tell you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. We found Ashley.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, where`s Ashley?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s deceased.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you want me to tell you where we found her? Or do you want to tell us what happened now?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don`t understand. I just don`t understand. I know that you`re not crying. You said I don`t have nothing left. You don`t have

any tears left. You don`t have nothing left. Ming Ming, your daughter is dead.

I know that the last person that was in the restaurant to see her before you said she disappeared, right? Was you and your husband Jojo, right? So

how do you explain that she all of a sudden disappears but end up in the same place that you checked and she`s dead?

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: Nearly two hours into that interview, it is mom who`s charged with murder. The emotion that you would expect from a parent to despair,

just not there.

(START VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What happened to Ashley, how she die?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I killed her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You killed her?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How did you kill her?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know, just killed her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you hit her?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. How did you hit her?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My hand to do that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that what happened? How many times did you hit her?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What happened after she died?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: After she will die, she just die.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. What did you do with her after she died?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nothing, just leave her there. I told my husband to take care of it. And I don`t know how he take care of it.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: And that`s how that went. Macie Jepson is an anchor for Newsradio WTAM 1100. She joins me live from Cleveland. Macie, it just sort

of seems unbelievable that a mother would look across a table to an interrogator and just calmly outlined how she murdered her own child, but

that`s the case at hand. There is nothing else to this. Is there?

MACIE JEPSON, ANCHOR, NEWSRADIO WTAM 1100 (via telephone): There`s really isn`t, Ashley. Good to join you this evening. It is chilling to watch. Very

little surprises me anymore in this world, but when you watch a mother sit across from a police officer, never showing emotion, you know, I don`t know

if you actually showed the part where she described why she lost control.

That`s really the only time that she ever showed an emotion, when she said that she only had two hands, complaining that she had to take care of

everything at that restaurant, and that she was overwhelmed and that those two hands turned out to be fatal weapons is just sickening.

BANFIELD: I mean, that`s really the excuses that she gave, is that, you know, her little girl wouldn`t listen to her. I say, Ashley, sit down, she

doesn`t sit up. I say stand up, stand there, she won`t sit down. She won`t eat. She takes too long to eat. Obviously, she had a child who to her

seemed extraordinarily difficult. She mentioned that school was difficult as well. But just this emotionless interview with this interrogator.

I want to bring in retired FBI special agent Bobby Chacon who is live with me from Las Angeles. There is one thing that stood out in this interview.

And here is Ming Ming Chen and her husband, I think you pronounce his name Yang Jao (ph), being led into court. They were sentenced to 22 years, at

least she was sentenced to 22 years for this. He was sentenced to 12 years for his part.

I was very curious about the language barrier between that woman and that interrogator. It seemed he did most of the talking. And if you don`t speak

English as a first language, is it possible that she just agreed?

I mean, is there any kind of appeal here where you could say there was no translator in this room. Who knows what was actually going to her mind when

they used the word deceased? She may never heard of it before. Is she supposed to have emotion to a word maybe she never knew, didn`t know what

it meant? Is there anything to that?

BOBBY CHACON, RETIRED FBI SPECIAL AGENT: I think it goes beyond that. I think that if you have to take what she said in the whole context of the

entire conversation, in my mind, it is clear she understood the questions that were being given to her, and she responded appropriately. She may not

be the most eloquent speaker because it is not her native language. I understand that.

But clearly there is an understanding of the questions and there is a thoughtful (INAUDIBLE) to the answers -- what I mean is you thought --

BANFIELD: I don`t know. I spent so much time in the far east struggling to be understood, asking, so I turn right and I would get an answer, and that

meant left. And so there is such a communication barrier. So when she says the word I killed her, is it possible she could be saying, what, I killed

her?

And there is no inflection because perhaps in her native language, inflection is entirely different. There are like five or six or seven tones

depending on whether you are speaking Mandarin or Cantonese. It could be one of those cases.

I could see a really good lawyer saying, this was an abomination. You can`t interrogate someone who doesn`t speak English as a first language and just

expect that those answers are on their face value exactly what she meant.

CHACON: Well, I am not saying it was the perfect interrogation but I`m saying that the questions were asked, she understood, and I think she

understood the answer she was given. Again, you have to take this in context of the entire situation.

They found the body because of where the husband told her. We know the husband knew where the body was because he led police to the body. We know

that she`s telling the interrogator that she told the husband to take care of it. So in the overall context, everything made sense here. I mean, what

doesn`t make sense is she can do it so emotionless.

BANFIELD: That is the weird part, it was emotionless. I am with you on that. I have to leave it there, Bobby. The emotion in this whole thing is

really such a big part of this story. Thank you for that. My thanks to Macie Jepson as well.

A terrifying standoff was caught on camera between police and a gun wielding woman in a closet. You have to see it to believe it.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: A tragic end to a police standoff with an emotionally disturbed woman in Kansas is raising some very tough questions tonight about the life

and death decisions that police officers have to make every day.

Ciara Howard was armed with the gun when she led a three-hour standoff from inside a closet in hew own home. The newly released police body cam video

shows the gruesome turn of event after police arrived to serve and arrest warrant for a probation violation.

Instead, Ciara decided to barricade herself in the closet while police ordered her to surrender. They urged her to come out with her hands up and

they repeatedly told her that she could post bond and be back home quickly.

But after those three hours, the officers finally moved in. And when they kicked in the door, they saw she had a gun and it was pointed right at

them. I do have to warn you that the video is disturbing.

(START VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am not going out there until I know you`re legitimate police.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s enough, Ciara. Get out of here. I`ve been talking to you for over an hour.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know myself (INAUDIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go! Go! Go!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gun!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Drop the gun!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Drop the gun!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Drop the gun!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where`s the gun?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s right here. I moved it to the corner.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get some first aid in here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get medical.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: We reached out to the police. We received no comment. The prosecutors said that that shooting was justified. Defense Attorney Troy

Slaten is back with me from Los Angeles. Face value. When you see that video, you know, you want to say what choice did they have.

That gun was waiting right in their faces. And they did actually give several beats before shooting. Can you see any other solution to this,

especially since she was clearly in a mental health crisis?

TROY SLATEN, FORMER PROSECUTOR: That`s the most dangerous situation that there is for a police officer, Ashleigh. And the police are not trained to

wound someone with their guns. They`re not trained to shoot at someone`s leg or shot at someone`s hand.

When the police fired their firearm, they`re doing it because they believe that they need to use that deadly force to protect their own lives.

That woman was clearly mentally unstable. They were trying for hours to talk her out of there. And then she was pointing the gun around. She waved

it at them. They really had no choice in that situation.

BANFIELD: I almost wonder if she had longer to wave that gun than say a man might have, had they opened the closet, and see the man in the closet

with that same gun in that same position, but we won`t know that.

Troy, thank you for that. Stay with me. An inmate in Ohio is found with drugs hidden in shall we say the most inconspicuous place. Use your

imagination. He`s convicted and he appeals, claiming the drugs in that inconspicuous place, they weren`t his. What the? What the?

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: One more thing for you tonight. A Pennsylvania inmate was caught with contraband in his possession. I`m going to be specific. It was

a baggy of synthetic marijuana that was found hidden in his butt. That`s the way it was. His name is Edwin Greco Wylie-Biggs. He was convicted for

that April 2016 incident.

He had three to six years added to his sentence too for doing that. But he decided he wanted to appeal that whole thing claiming that the drugs that

were literally found in his own butt were not his drugs.

The state superior court disagreed with his appeal and they denied his appeal. Everyone else who actually watched that case could not believe he

actually appealed, but he did.

A Colorado teenager gets a restraining order to protect her from a man that she says had been harassing her. Days later, she is found dead. The next

hour of "Crime and Justice" starts right now.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A 19-year-old beauty vanishes into thin air.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One person she had a restraining order against.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: After saying she was stalked by a man she said she was helping.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don`t have anybody who was either talking with her through social media or through texts.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He said he is not a suspect. But if is in the clear, how did she end up dead by a dairy farm?

The desperate search for two missing girls.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know they are sad. You know they are crying.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Finally comes to an end.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These girls were found safe.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The tip that led cops to their dramatic rescue.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The high risk traffic stop.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hundreds of miles from home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Vehicle started driving erratically.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What we know about what happened on the road with their dead mother`s dangerous roommate.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was a suspect in a murder.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A 5-year-old girl reported missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I can`t find my daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: By the parents who allegedly killed her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This family was still working. They are giving out change and making food while their daughter was dead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Before hiding her body in their restaurant. Mom finally spill it is hair raising story.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you hit her?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And explains why she killed her precious baby girl.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. What did you do with her (INAUDIBLE)?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nothing, just leave her there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And a criminal couple with the cops on their tail.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I never seen anything like this, really.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This modern day Bonnie and Clyde pulled one last stunt.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stalling in truck for like 20 minutes literally.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A little drinking and a huge kiss right before they are cuffed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s not the right spot.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: Good evening, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. Welcome to the second hour of "CRIME AND JUSTICE."

It is always good when a missing person is found. It means relief for the family, relief for investigators, usually relief for the community.

And Natalie Bolinger was found. Sadly, it has brought no relief. It has brought the opposite. Just the day after Natalie went missing that 19-

year-old beauty from Colorado who left home after talking to her family was never heard from again. She was found dead in a wooded area near a dairy

farm. And tonight we still don`t know how she got there.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you know if her body was transported there or if she was maybe killed someplace else and taken there or whether that`s the

place - she was just dropped there or what?

SHERIFF MIKE MCINTOSH, ADAMS COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: Yes, you know, I think the investigators have a pretty good idea. But that`s not something,

again, because of where we are at in the investigation that they are willing to talk about at this point.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: But part of this story that sends chills up your spine is that Natalie got a restraining order about one week before Natalie vanished.

Randy Corporon is a host on 710 KNUS and he joins me live from Denver.

So this is odd and this is scary that she got a restraining order, and then she disappeared and then she is found dead. Where are we in this

investigation?

RANDY CORPORON, HOST, 710 KNUS: Well, there remains a lot of unknowns, Ashleigh. As you stated the restraining order was gotten. It was applied

for a little over two weeks ago, 15 days ago, issued by the court a week ago. The police have said that the restraining order is a piece of

evidence that they are assessing. They do believe that they know the cause of Natalie`s death. But as yet they are not telling us if they know the

motive or what the motive is.

BANFIELD: So the restraining order -- we got our hands on it. It`s against a man named Sean Schwartz. Much older than she is. And apparently

he was ordered to stay 100 yards away from Natalie. He was also ordered to stay 100 yards away from her home and school and he was ordered not to have

any contact with Natalie. What do we know about Sean Schwartz?

CORPORON: Well, I haven`t seen any history of Mr. Schwartz`s yet. But the one things that curious is that there are two Facebook posts that appeared

around this missing person. One that was posted before she went missing or after she went missing, but before the body was found and another Facebook

post that was posted after the body was found.

There is nothing that, you know, the police are saying that ties this man to the crime or anything like that. But it is certainly curious to have

this restraining order issued naming him and have him putting up Facebook posts before and after makes one wonder.

[19:05:12] BANFIELD: It makes you wonder. But, you know, we got to be really clear. He has not been named as a suspect. There is a very big

difference between someone saying not being named as a suspect and saying not a suspect. But at this point, police are saying he has not been named

as a suspect at least by this investigative agency. But it is awfully curious about the Facebook postings and the notion she had concerns right

before she died.

Just want to ask you a little bit more about the actual discovery. Clearly, when she went missing the alert would go out. The fear would be

there. They would immediately start looking at her social media. They would immediately start looking at her cell phone whether it was pinging.

But how did they actually end up finding her and why near a dairy farm?

CORPORON: It`s very curious. You know, she spoke to a family member last Thursday before she left around noon. The missing persons report was made

just a few hours after that around 3:30 p.m. And the next day a passerby going by this dairy farm spotted a body. But it wasn`t until just a couple

days ago that body was identified as the body of Natalie Bolinger.

BANFIELD: So here`s a strange piece of tape. I just want to play it for our audience. And I want to reiterate that Sean Schwartz who she got a

restraining order against two weeks prior to disappearing. He went on Facebook while she was missing. In the 24 hours that she was missing, he

went on Facebook and he said this in terms of appealing to people to help find her. Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. The Broomfield police department just got a hold of me. Natalie Bolinger is missing. If you know her the phone number for

the police department is 303-464-5858. I`m going to post up some pictures here. Please help find her. Please. I don`t -- please help.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So there`s the appeal to help find Natalie Bolinger while she is missing.

But Randy, the next day he posted yet another appeal to her friends and those who might know her that if she is around, you need to make sure she

calls the police. It`s curious. You be the judge. Have a look at this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi. You guys I know you`re both friends with Natalie. If you can get a hold of her, have her get ahold of the Broomfield police

department at 303-464-5858. Tell them that the Broomfield police department just got ahold of me and told me that Natalie Bolinger is

missing. Please help find her.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: It`s just -- do we have any idea -- do we have any characterization of the relationship between Natalie Bolinger and that man

who appealed for her help, who have a restraining order taken out against some Sean Schwartz? Do we know how they knew each other or what their

relationship if any was?

CORPORON: Ashleigh, I have not read the actual complaint that led to the protection order. That might lend some insight into why she was afraid of

this person and thought it was important to obtain this restraining order just 15 days before she turned out missing. But I don`t know anything

about this relationship. And I think you are wise to be very careful to say this man is not a suspect and has not been identified as a suspect.

But the police di go on to say that the restraining order was going to be some evidence they were considering as part of their investigation.

BANFIELD: Yes. Not named as a suspect. And it`s just all so strange. In fact, the sheriff, Mike McIntosh in Adams County was asked by a reporter

about this specifically and this is the back and forth between the reporter and the sheriff Mike McIntosh.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sheriff, it was one person in particular that she had a restraining order against back in mid-December. Have you accounted for

that individual`s whereabouts about the same time she disappeared?

MCINTOSH: We have talked to him. And again not ready to call anybody a suspect, but it certainly a piece of our investigation, a piece of our

timeline.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: And the timeline at this point involves a very critical 26 hours.

So Randy, I just want to play if I can something else from the sheriff here regarding the 26 hours where Natalie Bolinger is missing and the

(INAUDIBLE) of investigative work that was going on to figure out who she may have spoken to prior to disappearing or even during that disappearance.

Have a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

[19:10:08] MCINTOSH: I can tell you that there is about a 26 hour time period that is missing where we don`t have anybody who was either talking

with her through social media or through text or in person or on the telephone. Those are the critical 26 hours for us.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Then the other critical question would be why the dairy farm, why that location and what about that location? Was Natalie Bolinger

killed at that location or was she taken there. And the sheriff addressed that as well. Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is there an active threat to the community right now? Are you - should people be worried at all since you haven`t found anyone

and there was a body found?

MCINTOSH: You are right. Yes, that`s a great question too. I don`t believe that there is. Through the investigation, through some of the

leads we have gone through, you know, I feel comfortable in saying that there`s not a threat to the community.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So you feel pretty close to finding who was responsible for this?

MCINTOSH: I think that we are headed down the right path, yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: The right path. Well, I will tell you where my path takes me, Sheriff Michael Macintosh, is that the Adams County sheriff`s department, I

told you that before, and now he is with me live.

Sheriff, thank you so much for joining me. I`m so curious about this story because there seem to be so many unanswered questions, and yet massive,

massive clues. First, could you help me sort through Sean Schwartz and who he is to this case? What do you know of him?

MCINTOSH: Well, I can tell you that through the Broomfield police department who initially started this investigation and really it was their

case until Natalie`s body was discovered. They had conversations with him. We have also had conversations with him. And we -- as with anybody in any

investigation, we look at all of the information that is in front of us and then also as investigators start digging into relationships, acquaintances,

any type of information that is going to help us with this criminal investigation.

BANFIELD: And I would think that, if she were afraid of someone so much so that she would go to the court to get a protective order where he was

ordered to stay 100 yards away from her as well as 100 yards away from her home and school in order to have no contact with her, there would be some

incredibly interesting stuff as to why. She would report the reasons for that. It`s not in the protective order. But I`m wondering if you have

seen or heard what it was he did to her that made her so afraid of him.

MCINTOSH: Yes. These are always interesting cases when you are in the middle of an investigation. There is information you can talk about and

there is information that we just -- to preserve the investigation itself, we just don`t get into. So there is information through the interview that

we had with him. There`s information in the restraining order itself. There`s information that the Broomfield police department gathered as part

of their investigation in all of that, we bring to the table as we do this investigation. And we try to determine what value that information has to

finding Natalie`s killer.

BANFIELD: So I totally respect what you can and can`t say. I`m in that boat all the time as an interviewer. And I press as far and as hard as I

can. But with regard to a restraining order that also applies to the rest of us. Because if someone is afraid of someone and goes to the court and

is awarded protection that`s public record way before she disappeared or way before there was an investigation of a homicide of some sort. And I

guess that`s why I`m looking for the details. Because if one of my fellow girls out there was scared of someone, I feel like we all deserve to know

why.

MCINTOSH: Sure.

BANFIELD: Is there anything you can tell me about the things he did prior to any of this, prior to her even disappearing. Because I get it. Once

she`s gone, your investigation kicks into over drive. And you can`t talk about a lot of that.

But prior to her disappearing, behaving that she feared from someone that went into the public courts, that did go on the public records, there

should be sunshine on that for the people watching and for me in particular. What can you tell me about that?

MCINTOSH: Right. And I can tell you that that is a public document. And that can be obtained through a court request. Obviously, as part of the

investigation that we have that information.

BANFIELD: But there`s no gag order on it. So you - but because I have not been able to physically claw my way on that public document, it is public

and it`s not being protected by the investigation which is why I`m begging you on this opportunity right now just to let me know.

[19:15:08] MCINTOSH: I have not seen the protection order. As the sheriff, I`m not involved in the investigation to the detail and the level

the investigators are.

BANFIELD: Makes sense.

MCINTOSH: So I really can`t even tell you what is in that protective order. I know that our investigators do know what`s in that protective

order. And I also know that other media interests around that protection order has come our way. And we are letting folks know that it is available

through a court order request and folks are more than welcome to do that. And my understanding is that it has been released to other media outlets.

I don`t know that for sure. But unfortunately, having not put my eyes on that protection order I can`t tell you what`s in there.

BANFIELD: I understand. We are going to keep clawing away at it through the court system. But in the meantime, there are some interesting nuggets

about this man. Shawn Schwartz had said on Facebook in a comment that he spent six hours with the police. That he let the police take his phone,

his computer and his DNA. And then he says that the cops told him he is clear. Can you confirm or deny any of that?

MCINTOSH: I don`t know exactly how long he was with us. I know that the things that he has talked about would certainly be in our protocol to do.

So, if we had access to his phone and to his computer, we certainly would have extracted as much information out of that as we possibly could have.

There`s two ways of going about that. One is you can do consent. The other is we can obtain a search warrant. I don`t know if, in fact, there

was consent given or if we had to go get a search warrant to try to get that information.

BANFIELD: Has he been cleared? He said he`s been cleared. Has he been cleared?

MCINTOSH: Well, I don`t -- again, nobody has been listed as a suspect, but nobody`s really been cleared in this investigation either.

BANFIELD: That`s interesting.

MCINTOSH: What we have to do is go through the interview process. And then we have to look at the physical evidence that we have, the evidence

that we obtained as a part of this investigation and then we get to start putting the pieces together. And it`s at that point that we will start

clearing people or naming people as suspects.

Unfortunately we are not there yet. When you go through a process like this, one of the biggest clues that we can have is to have the autopsy and

the autopsy report. That autopsy didn`t come until Tuesday. Our investigators were a part of that autopsy. So we know things from that

autopsy that are going to help us with our investigation. But we are not at a place yet through our interviews or through the evidence where we can

--

BANFIELD: Where you can release that. I respect that.

MCINTOSH: Or that we can even start clearing people or naming people as suspects.

BANFIELD: Sure. I`m going to wish you a lot of luck because it is a curious case. And she is a delightful looking young woman. And I sure

hope that she gets justice. And I want to reiterate again that Sean Schwartz has not been named as a suspect. But clearly, there is lots more

to continue.

Sheriff, thank you.

Real quickly, I have want to bring in Bobby Chacon. Bobby is a retired FBI special agent. He joins me from L.A.

Bobby, your 30 seconds on this, literally 30 seconds. That`s all I got.

BOBBY CHACON, RETIRED FBI SPECIAL AGENT: Yes. I think that all we have in this case yet is the DNA that may have been taken from the crime scene, the

forensics of the crime scene and any forensics that they gathered from him. I think they are just waiting to match those together possibly to see if

there is a connection. We are looking at a physical crime scene and the forensic from that and trying to match it. So that is that`s probably the

hesitation or the delay right now. I think that they probably have the main suspect in their minds and they are waiting to do a match.

BANFIELD: I respect that. It is not easy being a cop. It is not easy doing this investigations.

Thank you to Bobby Chacon. I appreciate that.

I have a real life Bonnie and Clyde story I want to bring you right now. Because this couple led California police on a high speed chase that ended

like no other police chase that we have ever seen.

It started the usual way. Report of a stolen truck. Hit and run. About a half dozen cops in pursuit. But after a spike strip blew out the

passenger`s tire and the pair got out of the truck, that`s where things got a little weird. You are going to see in a moment. The driver getting out

with her hands up on her head. Her boyfriend is hugging her and trying to kiss her right before all this business. The police say that the pair sat

in the truck for about 20 minutes drinking and doing drugs before finally getting out to this little business.

Witnesses also reported that the two were getting romantic while the police were waiting them out. Kisses or not, they are now both facing a laundry

list of charges related to this incident, plus some unbelievable video.

Some breaking news to tell you about tonight. Lulu and Lily, the two Texas girls missing for days are found safe in Colorado. We are going to hear

from the first responder who was there when Terry Miles was captured. And the first responder who examine the girls after their rescue.

And also, coming up at the top of the hour, an encore presentation of Sean Spicer unfiltered. The former White House press secretary is going to join

my colleague S.E. Cupp to cover all of the headlines and clearly there are a lot of them coming out at the White House right now.

It`s a special edition of S.E. Cupp Unfiltered with Sean Spicer for the hour tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern right here on HLN.

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[19:24:53] BANFIELD: Their mother was found dead in their home under suspicious circumstances. And they have been missing for days. Two

sisters just 14 and seven who police feared were in danger in the hands of their mother`s roommate who just so happened to be a convicted criminal.

It turns out the police were right.

We know Terry Allen Miles, a man with accusations ranging from murder to rape of a juvenile had taken those girls to Colorado, some 700 miles from

their home in Round Rock, Texas. Police in every state were urging locals to look for their faces. But tonight, they have all three been found.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

[19:25:32] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Terry Miles was taken into custody in Colorado. And Lily and Lulu were found safe. Very excited. Many, many

hours went into insuring that these girls were found safe. And like I said earlier, our goal was to bring these two sisters home.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So here`s what happened. Last night in Colorado someone spotted Terry Miles driving the car that police reported they were looking for,

just hours after they released these pictures of him on surveillance in the same county. They tracked him down in a remote area and they brought those

girls to safety.

And tonight, we are learning more about this alleged abductor as police tried to determine who killed the mother of those young girls.

Lauren Kravetz is the Williamson County reporter for CNN affiliate KXAN. And she joins me from Round Rock, Texas tonight.

Lauren, tell me a little bit about how they caught him, how they found the girls and what kind of tip led to that?

LAUREN KRAVETZ, REPORTER, KXAN: Right. Well, as you mentioned they were all found together in that car that has been broadcasted since the amber

alert went out New Year`s Eve. Again, somebody spotted his car driving, this is in Colorado, Southern Colorado, a little bit or to Trinidad which

is where the surveillance were taken from the store there.

And somebody said that something seemed odd, right. You get that feeling sometimes that maybe something isn`t right. Is that the person was driving

kind of strangely. That couple then got home shortly after that, popped on the news and saw that car. And so, they alerted authorities. They then --

local county sheriffs out there found the car and then said that they were able to pull them over. Miles driving the two girls in that car, driving a

little bit erratically, they say. But they say they were able to take him into custody without incident.

So they are all still in Colorado. Miles is expected to be extradited back here to Texas. But we are told that could take a couple weeks. So once he

does get back here, he will be tried here in Texas, in Austin, Texas.

As far as the girls go, haven`t heard back as to where they will go. But we did speak with CPS, Child Protective Services. They said they always

look to place children in these circumstances with family, family friends first. So still waiting to see where they will go. But thankfully they

are safe.

BANFIELD: The condition of those girls -- and the girls were found apparently in the vehicle. I want to play something from Chief Allen Banks

who we just saw at the beginning of this segment. He is the Round Rock PD chief. He talked about the girls in the vehicle and how they were

discovered, the condition of them and what happens next to them. So it is a little bit like official cop speak, but it`s important to hear from the

horse`s mouth about the girls. Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHIEF ALLEN BANKS, ROUND ROCK POLICE DEPARTMENT: At approximately 7:30 p.m. Mountain Time county sheriff, which is right around Trinidad, based

off a tip or going off a tip that was received that the subjects were in that area. Went looking for the vehicle or the subjects. Came across the

subjects, the vehicle in that area on the roadway. Pulled in behind that vehicle. The vehicle started driving erratically. He waited for back up

to arrive. Initiated a high risk traffic stop. And Terry Miles was taken into custody without incident.

The two girls were located inside the vehicle. They both were unharmed and safe at that time. Child Protective Services in Colorado and in Texas will

be working on getting the girls home at some point in the near future and getting them reacquainted or back to their families.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So that last bit stands out. Getting the girls back to their families. Their mother Tanya Bates is dead. We have no idea the

circumstance at this point surrounding her death and what those children knew or may have seen.

Lauren, I do you know if you know, do you know if those girls have been told that their mother is dead? Do we know if the girls saw their mother

being killed? Do we know anything about how Tanya Bates died?

KRAVETZ: You know what we did learn today from the department of justice is a little more detail. Again, we learned yesterday that it was a

homicide, originally being called a suspicious death. We now know that it was blunt force trauma. As far as what those girls know, authorities have

not released that information yet. We do not know at this time even family members, some haven`t been in contact with the girls since they`re with

federal authorities. I did speak with the father of Lily today. He`s still trying to figure out what`s going to happen. He`d like to get

custody of those girls, but you know, even he has not talked to them yet. So we don`t know what they know. We`re hoping that they didn`t witness

that death. Obviously, very, very traumatic.

ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HLN HOST: There are a couple of other things that we have learned about this suspect, Terry Allen Miles, and his rap sheet and

we`ve got three new charges that we can add to the rap sheet and to his history. Beginning in 2002, he was convicted of inflicting corporal injury

on a spouse or cohabitant. Also in 2002, he was convicted of making a terrorist threat. And in 1995, yet again, another conviction for

inflicting corporal injury on a spouse/cohabitant. And then, I`m just going to have to roll the scroll of everything else that he`s been involved

in because his run-ins with the law have been numerous and lengthy, and they go back to 2009, at least the ones that we could find.

And so while all of this is just rolling, I want to bring in Chief Dan Moynihan. He`s the Trinidad Ambulance District in Las Animas County

Sheriff`s Office Representative. He was on the scene for the capture of Terry Miles and for the rescue of Lulu and Lily.

Chief, thank you so much for being with us tonight. Can you just tell me how the girls are when you came across them and looked them over and just

gave them a check-up? How are they doing? How did they seem?

CHIEF DAN MOYNIHAN, TRINIDAD AMBULANCE DISTRICT: Well, of course, initially, having a large police presence like we had there, they were

somewhat shaken up. But after we spent about 10 minutes with them, they just had normal conversation and they didn`t seem too upset to me. No

physical injuries. They were men tatting well. They were -- they were just like normal kids.

BANFIELD: Did they say anything to you about this terrible odyssey that they have been exposed to in the last several days?

MOYNIHAN: The girls really said nothing. It was conversation more about where they were camping and how pretty it would be in the summer.

BANFIELD: Did they seem as though there was anything wrong or did they know about their mother?

MOYNIHAN: It didn`t seem like they knew anything. None of them brought it up. They basically -- it was a conversation of "Do you have any medical

issues that we need to be concerned about? Are you injured anywhere? Do you hurt anywhere?" and neither one of them had any complaints. And again,

the conversation just turned more towards normal day to day talk. They were -- they didn`t appear to be terribly upset at that time.

BANFIELD: Chief, did -- I mean, listen, your spidey senses, they tingle when you deal with this kind of extraordinarily tight, you know, tight

rope. It`s difficult. I mean, you`re on the razor`s edge when you`re dealing with children who could be terribly traumatized, and at the same

time you`re dealing with the potential of a case against the man they were found with. There have been allegations that perhaps he had some kind of a

connection to the older girl. There have been allegations that she has been sleeping in his bed, perhaps being too close on a sofa by a neighbor

and a friend of the family. And that there was a great discomfort with a relationship that this friend in family -- a friend of the family had with

Terry Allen Miles and his relationship with this 14-year-old. Did you get the sense that anything wrong had been happening while they were on the

road?

MOYNIHAN: You know that none of them mentioned anything, and quite honestly, we didn`t ask because the FBI was involved and so pretty much

they want to make sure -- obviously, they have greater resources than we do in a rural county. And they have experts, they`ve victim representatives

to meet with the children, children`s services to meet with the children, and obviously, law enforcement, federal law enforcement was going to

question the suspect. So, we really didn`t get into talking to the suspect much. He really did not offer any resistance at all. I think he was so

surprised being out in the middle of nowhere up in the mountains and seeing five law enforcement vehicles behind him all at once that it was just

overwhelming for him. He really didn`t say anything at the time that he was placed into custody, and the girls were, again, just shaken up a little

bit at the time they were taken from the car. They exited the car on their own. They were walking and talking and just pretty much holding on to each

other. So again, initially, it seemed that they were scared more by the police presence and not knowing what was going on, more that than anything

else because ten minutes later, after talking to them, they just seemed to settle back down.

BANFIELD: Well, he sent a text from one of their phones and pretending -- sending a text to his own mother on one of their phones, pretending that

something terrible had happened to Tonya eluding to a boyfriend and it will be fascinating once the FBI digs into that text, digs into what the mother

of this man knew or what she may not have known, and then is able to hopefully interview those children. Chief Moynihan, thank you very much.

Lauren Kravets, thank you as well.

A chilling emotionless confession from the mother of a 5-year-old girl dead.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What happened, how did she die?

MING MING CHEN: I killed her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You killed her?

CHEN: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How did you kill her?

CHEN: I just killed her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you hit her?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: The big question, why on earth would anyone do that to this tiny and sweet innocent face? The details right ahead.

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BANFIELD: A missing child is a parent`s worst nightmare especially since children are so young and defenseless. So when police in North Canton,

Ohio got a call from this little girl`s parents, this is Ashley Zhao, these parents said that they`re adorable 5-year-old daughter had disappeared.

Understandably, the police had a top priority finding this little Ashley but they had no idea how terrible it would be when they actually did find

her.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, what`s going on?

LIANG ZHAO, FATHER: I can`t find my daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, how old is she?

ZHAO: Five, she just turned five.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, and you haven`t seen her in five hours?

ZHAO: About, yes. I mean, was she there sleeping.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where was she sleeping at, in the restaurant?

ZHAO: Yes, yes. She was sleeping there and I picked up my older daughter from school. We all saw her sleeping there. So -- and, you know, we went

to work and you know we let her sleep. And we got busy and then after we got busy, we started cleaning up. And then, you know, we opened the door

but -- and she`s not here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was there any suspicious people that came in at all? Or do you think she could have woke up and ran out somewhere?

ZHAO: No, no, no. I have no idea. I mean she was sleeping in the back. It`s kind of hard to say when she was --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: None of your employees had seen her?

ZHAO: There`s only two of us. Just myself and my wife. There`s nobody else in the restaurant.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: The very next day, little Ashley`s body was in fact found inside that very restaurant. And it didn`t take police long to hone in on

Ashley`s parents who still didn`t know their daughter`s body had been discovered or so they said.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can I tell you something else? Do you want -- do you want me to tell you?

CHEN: Sure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. We found Ashley.

CHEN: OK. Where`s Ashley?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s deceased.

CHEN: What?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you want me to tell you where we found her? Or do you want me to -- do you ask -- do you want to tell us what happened now?

CHEN: I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your daughter is dead. I just don`t understand. I know that you`re not crying. You said you don`t have nothing left. Isn`t

that what you told me? You don`t have no tears left. You don`t have nothing left? Ming Ming, your daughter is dead. I know that the last

person that was in the restaurant to see her -- to see her before you said she disappeared, right, was you, your husband, and Jojo, right? So how do

you explain that she all of a sudden disappears but ends up in the same place that you checked and she`s dead?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Nearly two hours into that interview, it is mom who`s charged with murder. With the emotion that you`d expect from a parent to despair

just not there.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What happened, how did she die?

CHEN: I killed her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You killed her?

CHEN: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How did you kill her?

CHEN: I just killed her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you hit her?

CHEN: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. How did you hit her?

CHEN: How?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

CHEN: My hand to do that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

CHEN: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that what happened? How many times did you hit her?

CHEN: I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What happened after she died?

CHEN: After she will die, she just die.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, what did you do with her after she died?

CHEN: Nothing, just leave her there. I told my husband to take care of it and I don`t know how he take care of it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: And that`s how that went. Macie Jepson is an anchor for a news radio WTAM 1100 and she joins me live from Cleveland. Macie, it just sort

of seems unbelievable that a mother would look across a table to an interrogator and just calmly outline how she murdered her own child. But

that`s the case at hand. There`s nothing else to this, is there?

MACIE JEPSON, WTAM 1100 ANCHOR: There really isn`t, Ashleigh. Good to join you this evening. It is chilling to watch. Very little surprises me

anymore in this world but when you watch a mother sit a cross from a police officer, never showing emotion, you know, I don`t know if you actually

showed the part where she describes why she lost control. That`s really the only time that she ever showed an ounce of emotion, when she said that

she only had two hands, complaining that she had to take care of everything at that restaurant and that she was overwhelmed, and that those two hands

actually turned out to be fatal weapons is just sickening.

BANFIELD: I mean, that`s really the excuses that she gave. It`s that, you know, her little girl wouldn`t listen to her. I say Ashley sit down, she

doesn`t sit up. I say stand up to stand there, she won`t sit down. She won`t eat. She takes too long to eat. I mean, obviously, she had a child

who to her seemed extraordinarily difficult. She mentioned that school was difficult as well. But just this emotionless interview with this -- with

this interrogators.

I want to bring in retired FBI special agent, Bobby Chacon who`s live with me from Los Angeles. There is one thing that stood out in this -- in this

interview. And here is Ming Ming Chen and her husband -- I think he pronounce his name Liang Zhao -- being led into court. They were sentenced

to 22 years. At least she was sentenced to 22 years for this. He was sentenced to 12 years for his part. I was very curious about the language

barrier between that woman and that interrogator. It seemed he did most of the talking. And if you don`t speak English as a first language, is it

possible she just agreed. I mean, is there any kind of appeal here where you could say there was no translator in this room. Who knows what was

actually going to her mind when they used the word deceased and she may never heard of it before? Is she supposed to have emotion to a word maybe

she never knew, didn`t know what it meant? Is there anything to that?

BOBBY CHACON, RETIRED FBI SPECIAL AGENT: Well, I mean, I think it goes beyond that. I think that the -- if you have to take what she said in the

whole context of the entire conversation. In my mind, it`s clear she understood the questions that were being given to her and she responded

appropriately. She may not be the most eloquent speaker because it`s not her native language, I understand that, but clearly there`s an

understanding of the questions and there`s a thoughtfulness to the answers. Thought -- what I mean is she thought through her answers.

BANFIELD: I don`t know, I`m going to dispute that with you right now. I spent so much time in the Far East struggling to be understood. Asking,

"So I turn right?" And I would get an answer "Hmm." And that meant left, and so there is such a communication barrier. So when she says the word "I

kill her," is it possible she could be saying, "What? I kill her?" and there`s no inflection because perhaps in her native language, inflection is

entirely different. There are like five or six or seven tones depending on whether you`re speaking Mandarin or Cantonese. It could be one of those

cases and I could see a really good lawyer saying this was an abomination. You can`t interrogate someone who doesn`t speak English as her first

language and just expect that those answers are on their face value exactly what she meant.

CHACON: Well, I`m not saying it was the perfect interrogation. But I`m saying that the questions that were asked she understood and I think she

understood the answers she given. And again, you have to take this into the -- in context of the entire situation. They found the body because of

where the husband told her. We know the husband knew where the body was because he led police to the body. We know that she`s telling the

interrogator that he -- she told the husband to take care of it. So, in the overall context, everything makes sense here. I mean, what doesn`t

make sense is she --

BANFIELD: And it`s a plea deal. I mean, it is a plea deal, right?

CHACON: -- can do it so emotionless. And she`s --

BANFIELD: Yes, that is the weird part, is that it is emotion -- I`m with you on that. I have to leave it there, Bob. You bet the emotion in this

whole thing is really such a big part of the story. Thank you for that. My thanks to Macie Jepson as well.

A terrifying standoff was caught on camera between police and a gun- wielding woman in a closet. You have to see it to believe it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Drop the gun. Drop the gun.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: The tragic end to a police standoff with an emotionally disturbed woman in Kansas is raising some very tough questions tonight

about the life and death decisions that police officers have to make every day. Ciara Howard was armed with a gun when she led a three-hour standoff

from inside a closet in her own home. The newly released police body cam video shows the gruesome turn of events after police arrived to serve an

arrest warrant for a probation violation. Instead, Ciara decided to barricade herself in the closet while police ordered her to surrender.

They urged her to come out with her hands up, and they repeatedly told her that she could post bond and be back home quickly. But after those three

hours, the officers finally moved in. And when they kicked in the door, they saw she had a gun and it was pointed right at them. I do have to warn

you that the video is disturbing.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CIARA HOWARD: I know what happens (INAUDIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s enough, Ciara, get out here.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`ve been talking to you for over an hour. You know I`m the police.

HOWARD: I know myself. I`m a (INAUDIBLE) (BLEEP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go, go, go, go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gun! Drop that gun.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Drop the gun!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Drop the gun! Drop it. Drop.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where`s the gun?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where`s the gun?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s right here. I moved it to the corner.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Get the first aid in here.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: We reached out to the police and we`ve received no comment, but the prosecutor said that that shooting was justified. Defense Attorney

Troy Slaten is back with me from Los Angeles. Face value, when you see that video, you know, you want to say what choice do they have, that gun

was waving right in their faces and they did actually give several beats before shooting. Can you see any other solution to this especially since

she was clearly in a mental health crisis?

TROY SLATEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: That`s the most dangerous situation that there is for a police officer, Ashleigh. And the police are not trained to

wound someone with their guns, they`re not trained to shoot at someone`s leg or shoot at someone`s hands. When the police fire their firearm,

they`re doing it because they believe that their -- they need to use that deadly force to protect their own lives. That woman was clearly mentally

unstable. They were trying for hours to talk her out of there. And then she was pointing the gun around, she waved it at them. They really had no

choice in that situation.

BANFIELD: I almost wonder if she had longer to wave that gun and say a man might have -- had they opened the closet and see the man in the closet with

that same gun and that same position, but we won`t know that. Troy, thank you for that, stay with me.

An inmate in Ohio is found with drugs hidden in shall we say the most inconspicuous place. Use your imagination. He`s convicted and he appeals

claiming the drugs in that inconspicuous place, they weren`t his. What the--what the?

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BANFIELD: We have just "ONE MORE THING" for you tonight. Pennsylvania inmate caught with some contraband, shall we say, in his possession. I`m

going to be specific here. It was a baggie of synthetic marijuana, and it was found hidden where the sun don`t shine. Down there. And I`m not

kidding you. But there is a weird part of this story, if that`s not weird enough. Edwin Greco Wylie-Biggs was convicted for the April 2016 incident

and had three to six years added to the sentence that he was already in the big house serving, only he decided he wanted to appeal that decision

claiming that those drugs that they found where the sun don`t shine, those weren`t his. That was his story. And the state superior court disagreed

with his story and denied his appeal. That really happened.

Thank you for watching, everybody. We`ll see you back here Monday night at 6:00 Eastern for CRIME & JUSTICE. Meantime, stick around. S.E. Cupp and

Sean Spicer, it`s all unfiltered, and it begins right now.

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