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SARAH SANDERS, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: -- we're going to work with Congress on.



SANDERS: -- it's certainly not on this president or the president's campaign. Thanks so much.

HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Yet another busy day in Washington. That's Sarah Sanders, the press secretary there in the briefing room

updating reporters on a bipartisan meeting that was televised for almost one hour between the president and elected officials from both sides of the

aisle talking about comprehensive immigration reform saying that there are four priorities there, points of discussion and negotiation.

Border security, reforming the program that allows children of undocumented workers who came in as children to remain in the country, chain migration,

which is allowing relatives of people who have migrated to the United States to join their families and also the green card lottery which as our

international viewers, many of you are familiar with, this is something the Trump administration has criticized repeatedly.

Sarah Sanders also answered many questions -- I was surprised that so many of them were addressed to her on Davos. That's the World Economic Forum.

It takes place in Switzerland every year. It's due to take place the last ten days of January this year.

The president, who at the time was a candidate, did not -- was the president, did not participate in Davos saying it's a gathering of global

elites, but this year will take part. Sarah Sanders saying he is 100 percent committed to the America first agenda.

And then a quick question on the Fusion GPS co-founder testimony. The testimony from that gentleman was released today by Diane Feinstein, who is

a Democrat in the Senate against the wishes of her Republican colleagues.

It revealed a few interesting tidbits about that research company and its commissioning of a dossier that was drafted by a British -- an ex-British

surveillance officer. All right, a lot to talk about as you just heard.

Let's bring in Josh Rogin, a CNN political analyst and columnist at "The Washington Post." For our international viewers, I do want to start with -

- I think I want to start with Davos. She got a lot of questions on that.

So, Donald Trump is going to go to Switzerland. He is going to take part in this meeting which is by excellence the gathering of the elite of the

elite of corporate leadership and of government heads of state, national heads of state and heads of government. But she's saying it doesn't mean

he's changed his priorities.

JOSH ROGIN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Yes, right. On one hand, this is the most un-Trumpian world event for a president who ran on a populist anti-

establishment, anti-globalist nationalist campaign agenda. Davos represents everything he was attacking.

On the other hand, what we have seen in the Trump administration is that the nationalists and populists and isolationists have been moved out of the

administration to a large degree. The people that are remaining are businessmen, billionaires, Democrats, bankers, globalists.

So, this could be a reflection of the fact that those people who are now around the president are imploring him to play in this arena and to try to

influence these types of people. There may be deals to be had and -- advantages.

We can't ignore the fact that President Xi Jinping went to Davos last year and declared that China was going to be the new global head of

international globalization. That is sure to irk the Trump people the wrong way. So, this might be --

GORANI: Well, a strange thing happens when you are elected president of the United States. You become part of the global elite whether you want to

be part of it or not. The immigration reform meeting, now I'm a little confused about something.

The president repeatedly during the campaign and after he was elected talked about this border wall with Mexico that Mexico was going to pay for.

We couldn't get a clear answer out of his press secretary about whether or not he will demand that the building of the wall be part of any

negotiation, the elected representatives in Washington come up with. What should we read into that?

ROGIN: Yes. I mean, let's explain what's going on here. After doing his first two legislative initiatives without Democrats, a failed effort on

health care and a successful effort on tax reform, Trump knows that he needs the Democrats in order to pass immigration reform, funding for the

wall, whatever it is, funding for border security.

[15:25:09] And the only leverage he has on Democrats is this DACA program, the fact that there's a deadline and hundreds of thousands of immigrants

who came to America through no fault of their own are going to get deported if they don't act. So, there's incentive for both sides to work together.

There's no clarity on what that compromise will be. The intention of the White House and the president and Sarah Huckabee Sanders here is to not

close off any of those possibilities. They want to make sure that they don't back themselves into corner. They know they will have to compromise.

Now is there a compromise that can make border security, people happy, and allow Trump to pretend that he is building the wall even if it's not a wall

or part of a wall or a virtual wall or whatever? That's unclear. Nobody knows. Trump doesn't know. The Democrats don't know.

That's what they have to work on. So, I think it's smart for them to work with Democrats. Smart for them to leave it vague. There's no way that

Mexico will pay for that wall.

GORANI: He made a clear promise. We will see how close to that he comes. Quickly, last one on Fusion GPS, the co-founder testifying on Capitol hill.

What were the most important elements from that testimony? What did we learn?

ROGIN: Well, it's just huge that Senator Feinstein decided against the will of the majority in her committee to release this transcript. It shows

that Democrats are fighting back against what has been largely partisan attacks on Fusion GPS and Glen Simpson in an effort to sort of smear the

organization, distract from the actual investigation into the Trump campaign and its alleged collusion with Russia.

So, just the fact that this happened shows that these congressional investigations, which are supposed to be bipartisan, but are never really

bipartisan are now -- the truth of them is being revealed.

Inside the document, there's a lot of details about what Fusion GPS dug up about Trump and Russia and his association with shady Russian figures,

money laundering, that we didn't know before. Those will have to be checked out as well.

GORANI: Absolutely. Josh Rogin, thanks very much for joining us. Appreciate it.

Now, we were discussing the wall. It's, of course, hard to forget that Mr. Trump repeatedly insisted during the campaign that he would build a wall

and Mexico would pay for it. That line was like throwing red meat to his supporters. What happened to his promise?

Let's bring in Steve Rogers, a member of the Donald J. Trump Campaign Advisory Board, a former lieutenant commander with the U.S. Navy Reserve.

Thanks, sir, for being with us. What happened to this promise? It seems we can't even get a straight answer from Sarah Sanders about whether or not

what Mr. Trump calls border security includes a wall, which was one of the central promises of his campaign.

STEVE ROGERS, DONALD J. TRUMP CAMPAIGN ADVISORY BOARD: Well, so far, he's kept all of his promises. He will keep this promise. A wall will go up.

Remember, he is a chief negotiator. He certainly wants to be able to build that wall with the cooperation of the Congress. You have to clean up this

immigration mess that he inherited. I believe once that's cleaned up, that wall will go up.

GORANI: Right. But he is asking for money from Congress. He is trying to set that as a condition for a wider immigration reform deal. When during

the campaign he could not have been clearer that Mexico was going to pay for it. That sounds like a broken promise.

ROGERS: Well, I believe that at the end of the day, they will pay for it, whether it be through tax dollars, it be through some trade negotiations.

Look, I could tell you one thing, watching what he has done in the past year with the economy, with the VA, with the military, with law

enforcement, every promise he made he kept. I'm confident he will keep this promise.

GORANI: He wasn't able to get any legislation passed except for the tax reform bill. Everything else failed. So, he didn't keep all his promises.

ROGERS: Yes, he did. A couple of hundred executive orders where he put into place a lot of reforms. These are the things that are not being

reported. We have an economy that's beginning to soar. Look at the stock market as a result of his work. That stock market has been up several

times. Has rebuilt the military. He formed an alliance to help with issues in the Mideast. We have to give the guy a break and give him credit

where credit is due.

GORANI: I would argue with the fact we don't report on his executive orders. We report a lot. We're on CNN International here. A huge chunk

of my program every night is covering the Trump administration. I want to get back to the wall. I think a lot of people don't understand. When you

say Mexico will pay for it through their taxes, to me that still doesn't make sense. I don't understand. Maybe I'm missing the logic here or how

it would financially work.

ROGERS: Here is what is going to happen. He made a promise to the American people about border security. He made a promise that a wall was

going to go up. Every promise so far, he made the American people he kept. We should look at the evidence.

Look at what he has done so far. Give him a little time to do what he thinks is best for the country and what's best is to get Congress on board.

Congress needs to get on board. One way or the other, the wall is going to go up.

GORANI: So, why is he asking Congress for money? That means the American taxpayer will pay for the wall.

ROGERS: Well, look, first of all, what he is trying to do at the end of the day is get them on board, all right? So, he is a negotiator. He's

going to work very, very hard to bring Congress on board to force them finally to do something about immigration reform.

Think about this. For years, decades, we've been talking about - I should say, the Congress has been talking about immigration reform. Never in all

these decades, at least I've been on this earth, have they ever pursued immigration reform like they're doing now. And that's all because of what

the president is doing.

Let's see how this all works out at the end of the day.

GORANI: All right. Steve Rogers, thanks very much for joining us. We appreciate your time this evening. Very busy day in Washington and we

appreciate you joining us to speak again.

Still to come tonight, Ivanka Trump's surprise tweet about Oprah Winfrey's Golden Globe speech. Stay with us.


GORANI: The American president is responding to speculation that Oprah Winfrey may challenge him for the presidency in 2020. He said he would win

against her.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I'll beat her. Oprah would be a lot of fun. I know her very well. You know I did one of her last

shows. She had Donald Trump before politics, her last week. And she had Donald Trump and my family. It was very nice. No, I like Oprah. I don't

think she's going to run.

I don't think she's going to run. I know her very well.


GORANI: So, this was all after Oprah's speech at the Golden Globes.

And Mr. Trump's daughter interestingly, Ivanka, who is also White House senior advisor, tweeted praise for Winfrey, saying, "Just saw Oprah's

empowering and inspiring speech at last night's Golden Globes. Let's all come together, women and men, and say time's up #united."

So, that raised a few eyebrows. Is she essentially supporting the idea that Oprah might want to throw her hat in the ring. What message is she

sending? And also, has politics just officially become a competition between billionaire celebrities?

Jeremy Barr covers media and politics for "The Hollywood Reporter". He joins me now from New York. What should we make of all of this because

we're hearing - I mean, we're not hearing definite kind of statements that Oprah is interested in running, but we're also not hearing definite


JEREMY BARR, MEDIA AND POLITICS WRITER, "THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER": It's been a very fun two-day news cycle basically. I mean, she gave a very

powerful speech.

And I think, on the Democratic side, there aren't really any obvious candidates right now for 2020. So, whenever someone says something that

really captures the public sentiment really well, I think it generates some buzz. People have always loved Oprah here.

[15:35:09] And she's talked about considering a presidency before. So, we're not even close to knowing whether it's actually a serious kind of

thing. Her advisors and her close friends, like Gayle King on "CBS This Morning" said that she's not really considering.

But I think people are still trying it out besides a little bit.

GORANI: And, Jeremy, this is what Gayle King, who is her best friend and who is a co-host on a "CBS" morning show in America had to say about

Oprah's potential presidential ambition.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is she considering it?

GAYLE KING, ANCHOR, "CBS THIS MORNING": No. I absolutely don't think that her position has changed. don't. I was up talking to her very late last


I do think this, though, guys. I do think she's intrigued by the idea. I do think that. I also know that, after years of watching the Oprah show,

you always have the right to change your mind. I don't think at this point she's actually considering it.


GORANI: So, that's interesting because it sounds all of a sudden like a politician's reply.

BARR: Right. She has these friends and advisors to kind of speak for her. She was asked about it after the award show and she said that she's not

going to run. But that wasn't quite enough. So, she's going to have to say it several times, I think, for people to actually believe her.

But there's some sort of hopeful optimism right now.

GORANI: Yes. But, I mean, also at the same time, her speech was a speech containing things I'd heard her say many times before. I mean, anyone who

has watched her show regularly, and I have over the years, all these messages are - we've heard before.

BARR: Right. It wasn't out of the blue. She didn't really sort of - she didn't give a list of policy topics, for example. It was just a very

terrible emotional speech. But I don't know if everybody thought really as sort of a blueprint for campaign.

GORANI: It was a bit of wishful thinking maybe for some people. And then, you have many others who said, look, she's a celebrity. She is not a

politician. Maybe we should not necessarily encourage it. So, we'll see what happens. Anyway, it will be interesting.

Jeremy Barr, thanks very much, from "The Hollywood Reporter". Appreciate your time.

And a midwinter thaw on the Korean Peninsula. It's nothing to do with the weather, but a warming of diplomatic relations. It's not every day you see

scenes like this.

The North Korean delegation literally stepping into the South Korean of the Demilitarized Zone. In fact, this is the first time in more than two years

that officials from the two nations have met face-to-face.

And there was progress, by the way. Pyongyang has agreed to send athletes to next month's Winter Olympics in South Korea and to hold talks with Seoul

to ease military tensions. But it was not all rosy, obviously.

The northern delegation had this warning for their sworn enemy, the US.


RI SON GWON, CHAIRMAN, COMMITTEE FOR THE PEACEFUL REUNIFICATION OF THE FATHERLAND (through translator): Since the nuclear issue is brought up,

our H-bombs, atomic bombs, ICBMs and all of the latest strategic weapons are solely aimed at America, not toward our same people.


GORANI: Ivan Watson is staying across all the latest developments and he joins us now live from Seoul.

So, interesting comment there from one of the participants in the meeting, Ivan.

IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: That's right. And interesting also that Washington, the State Department to - just now -

Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House spokesperson, neither of them took the bait and responded to that not-so-subtle threat.

In fact, what's striking is that the US government, along with so many other stakeholders here in the region, Japan, Russia, China, of course,

South Korea, the UN Secretary General, they have all welcomed these talks between North and South Korea, aimed at, of course, getting North Korean

athletes and a much larger delegation that will include taekwondo demonstration team, that will include cheerleaders and an art troop to the

Winter Olympics here in South Korea, which are scheduled to begin in just one month's time. Hala?

GORANI: Ivan Watson, thanks for the update. Appreciate it. So, definitely, an improvement from the more dangerous rhetoric of the last 12

months. But how much was really achieved? I'm joined from Washington by CNN military and diplomatic analyst John Kirby and Balbina Hwang, who is a

former senior advisor the US State Department. She is now a visiting professor at Georgetown University.

Thanks to both of you for being with us. Balbina, so do you think that this has some lasting effect, this thaw, or is it a blip?

BALBINA HWANG, FORMER SENIOR ADVISOR, US STATE DEPARTMENT: Unfortunately, as usual, I'm rather pessimistic. We really need to not get so excited

about every single one of these movements.

There have been these types of efforts before and we know what's happened after each time. Each time, there's been another provocation or another

incident and then another refreeze.

[15:40:00] So, we will just simply have to see.

GORANI: And what do you think, John Kirby, because sports could sometimes serve as a good icebreaker? It is the Winter Olympics after all.

JOHN KIRBY, CNN MILITARY AND DIPLOMATIC ANALYST: Yes. Look, I wrote about this last week because sports is a great equalizer. And I think to the

degree that they can get together and talk about participation in the Winter Olympics, that's a good thing.

It's not the first time that North Korea and South Korea have agreed on athletic contest, whether it's marching in together at the Olympics or

actually creating unified teams. But all that's healthy. And I think dialogue in any respect can only be to the better, not the worst.

But I do share Balbina's general pessimism here. If you just look at the past, when it comes to serious talks about serious issues, I think what the

North is doing right here is trying to buy a little bit of space and a little bit of international goodwill and not really having to give up

anything in return.

You heard the comments by their representative there about how they're not going to talk about their nuclear weapons. And, oh, by the way, they're

pointed at the US. So, there's still a bellicosity here that, I think, we need to take seriously.

GORANI: And, Balbina, one of the interesting things I've read is that Kim Jong-un might have been able to listen, might have been able to listen to

the negotiation and potentially even if he wanted to weigh in. Those were reports that we've seen. Is this something that would surprise you if it

were true?

HWANG: Oh, not at all. I'm certain that he would do so. And frankly, the North Koreans' representatives were speaking as much to the North Korean

dear leader, as they were to the rest of the audience.

But let me actually say, let's be very careful. I don't necessarily think we should accept all diplomacy and all engagement as always good. There is

some danger. And one of the dangers here is that North Korea presents itself as this amicable, cooperative party, but let's not forget that North

Korea is and deserves to be a pariah because it has violated the NPT.

And for us to welcome North Korea and then suddenly say, oh, all you're doing so well and this is all great, we're talking about sports -

GORANI: But what other way would you - I mean, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just saying what other way do you ever get a rogue state to

act in a way that pleases you more other than engaging them, whether you like them or not, Balbina? Without that, they will become entrenched even


HWANG: Absolutely. The issue is not about getting them to please us. That's not the point. My point, simply, what I was trying to say is that,

we have to be very careful that if this is the distraction away from the nuclear issue, then that is actually quite dangerous.

So, I'm not opposed to this kind of diplomacy. I'm just saying that we shouldn't always accept this as a 100 percent good, that we have to -

KIRBY: And I didn't say that it was all for the good and we can't - that we have to take it seriously. That's not at all what I was saying. I was

trying to be Pollyannaish.

HWANG: Of course.

KIRBY: I'm saying that, discussion over sports is a healthy thing. There is nothing wrong with that. And I think being able to participate in the

Winter Olympics is a good move and setting up some kind of dialogue isn't going to hurt. But, obviously, we've got to be careful going forward.

And I think, look, the brakes are going to come on on this pretty quickly because pretty soon you're going to run out of things that you can

healthily talk about, which is sports, and get to real issues and that's where the rubber meets the road. And I think that's where it's going to be

very difficult.

And, eventually, both sides, Hala, both the North and the South are going to realize they need the United States in this discussion because, for the

North, it's all about us. And the South, we've got some alliance management responsibilities that we're going to have to manage going


GORANI: Yes. Bu then, again, why would North Korea really do anything that the US wants in terms of its nuclear program when they see the Trump

administration, for instance, and their interpretation of how it is acting toward Iran, for instance, Balbina, is that Iran signed the deal, Iran is

abiding largely by the terms of the deal and the US is still unhappy and wants to dismantle it?

So, why would North Korea look at that and think that it's good to sit down with the US and strike some sort of agreement on nuclear weapons?

HWANG: Well, that's exactly right. we have to consider this in the broader international context. There is so much else going on with the

United States, and actually even with South Korea - on Friday, the South Korean negotiators were in Washington talking about KORUS, which is the

FTA, which the Trump administration has been very critical of.

The point here is that I don't think North Korea necessarily reacts everything really to President Trump himself. I think the North Koreans

understand very well that they are dealing with the United States over the last 60 years.

And as far as North Korea is concerned, the United States is actually very consistent, in that we switch presidents, essentially, every four years and

sometimes we have a very idealistic liberal-minded president, sometimes we have hardliners, but in the end North Korea does not trust the United


GORANI: All right. Last one to you, John, the president has taken credit for this thawing in relations between North and South. What do you make of


[15:45:06] KIRBY: I think to a degree he probably can take a little bit of credit because I think he's made South Korea very nervous with his rhetoric

and his bellicosity and this continued focus on military options.

Plus, we know President Moon already had come into office with a different take than President Park that he wanted to engage with the North. So, I

think to a degree, he probably has accelerated this desire to talk. And, again, I don't think that talking over the Olympics is a bad thing, but I

don't think the president should take overwhelming credit for this.

This was, I think, a move that was inexorable anyway.

GORANI: John Kirby and Balbina Hwang, thanks so much to both of you for joining us. And we'll see what the next few days bring.

Still to come tonight, if you want to see what the next cool thing is, we'll take you to the launching pad for all the best gadgets. We're live

with Samuel in Vegas.


GORANI: HD television, 3D printers, drones, if it's a piece of cool tech, it probably got introduced to the world at the Consumer Electronics Show.

It's the annual gathering of high-tech companies and it's been happening for more than 50 years.

If you love tech, you need to be there and see what is on offer. And I don't think anyone loves tech quite as much as Samuel Burke. And he joins

me now live from Vegas.

Surprise me. What do you have to show - oh, here we go. What is that on your face, Samuel?


So, today, I'm going to stick to something which actually moves my soul, something that tech reporters really love, when you see a piece of

technology that might have a profound change in people's lives.

These are smart glasses for the blind, Hala. There's a camera right here. And inside, what you can't see, I can see the little television screen

right there. So, it shows more contrast. It magnifies. It zooms in, up to 24 times, what a legally blind person could see, so that they're not

legally blind, so that the majority of people using it might become 20/20 vision seers.

So, at the end of the day, I think what's interesting here is the $10,000 price tag nearly. Of course, people in the UK would hope that NHS would

pay for it, the national healthcare system there, or insurance here in the United States.

Hefty price tag. The device is also a bit hefty. But it's interesting, it's got a remote too. You can also stream. You and I could be on the

couch watching Netflix. You watching it on a television if I'm legally impaired, legally blind, seeing Netflix right on that screen.

GORANI: So, this is for people who are legally blind, as in very visually impaired, but have some vision and this would amplify what they have in

order to give them almost perfect vision?

BURKE: Exactly. Not completely blind. And the makers behind say that the majority of people who have some vision when they use this get close to


GORANI: All right. And this is not in stores yet, I understand. Or?

[15:50:03] BURKE: This is actually on the market already. What's not on the market is this mouth guard, $200. Not your typical mouth guard.

Coming out this fall. We're testing it here at CES.

Four sensors. Why? So, it can detect what type of impact. Maybe an NFL player, we've talked so much about concussions and how that's affected

those players. Or maybe just people in little league.

You put it on. And the coach may have a tablet like this where they're looking and seeing what the impact was on that child or on that player. It

doesn't tell you if you had a concussion or not, but it gives the numbers.

So, he might say, OK, this player just had a number 15, time to take him or take her off the field and maybe send them to the hospital. So, for me, it

is incredible to see how these big problems that we have in society, in human bodies could be solved with technology, Hala.

GORANI: I like that it's after they get knocked in the head. I have a mouth guard, but it's not to see if I had a concussion. I grind my teeth

terribly. So, I need to put it. It's, by the way, worked wonders.

BURKE: This could probably detect that as well.

GORANI: I don't know. I'd have to check on my iPad whether or not I've been hit in the head. What else do you have for us?

BURKE: Listen, that's all the devices that we have here. But I've got tell you, I was in a self-driving car. And you know in years past, I have

screamed, I have cried, and in the self-driving car that I was in here at CES, Hala, it was the first time that it was absolutely boring. Nothing

happened. It was just like being in a normal car.

So, I think that they're making a lot of progress. But I have noticed anybody can make a self-driving car. Hala Gorani could do it. Ford can do

it. What's really important is that they have partnerships because they think, in the future, people aren't going to be buying cars so much.

So, you see everybody's in a race, whether it's Lyft to partner with a company called Aptiv. Everybody is trying to get in partnership with those

companies because they think 24-hour Domino's Pizza car, for example, or 24-hour Lyft or Uber is why they're going to buy cars -

GORANI: That wasn't an episode of "Black Mirror", the pizza delivery self- driving. It was.

BURKE: "Black Mirror" is not a streaming show here. Just the reality here. I can't tell you how many times I've look at stuff and thought about

you because I know you and I have both been binging on it, but there are so many things that are "Black Mirror" that are for real here.

GORANI: Yes. And the self-driving pizza delivery truck is around the corner. Thanks very much, Samuel. See you soon.

Now, you know all these names. Rockefeller, Getty, Buffett, all names synonymous with incredible wealth. Well, I have a number for you that is

going to blow your mind.

Jeff Bezos, the man who founded Amazon, has every human being that has ever lived beat. A recent surge in Amazon stock has lifted Bezos' net worth to

$105 billion, making him the richest man of all time.

He passed Microsoft founder Bill Gates, who was worth just over $100 billion back in 1999 when Internet stocks were really surging. So, we

wanted to know what Jeff Bezos could do with his $105 billion, apart from buy a small country.

If he wants to buy a car, he could buy GM or Ford or BMW, the entire company. If he gets hungry, he could buy five McDonald's quarter-pounders

for everyone on earth, all 7 billion of us.

And if he wants to ship a gift, you can bet he would want to use Amazon Prime. He has enough money to buy an Amazon Prime subscription for

everyone in the European Union and Japan and Russia. $105 billion!

More to come, including a young couple in love, a worthy cause and cheering crowds. It is, yes, these two love birds. We'll take a look in a moment.


[15:55:19] GORANI: Well, popular is apparently a major understatement. I'm talking about Prince Harry and his bride-to-be Meghan Markle. There

were cheering crowds that waited in the cold for the engaged couple in London.

They toured a community radio station and Max Foster was there.


MAX FOSTER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Meghan Markle has talked about getting boots on the ground, getting to those local communities and

also local projects, smaller projects, though she's come here with Prince Harry.

This is the radio station near the city of London. And they produce a lot of talents. What they do is they teach video skills for young people.

As usual, Meghan Markle's fashion choices became a subject of much debate and we found out that this jumper is from a High Street store, Marks &

Spencer, if you're interested.

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle listen to music that's been compiled here and played out on the radio station. Also, he had a hand shake. Not the

usual one you'd expect from him.

Then, they came back outside to the crowd.

Meghan Markle has got a long history of supporting causes and campaigns. Though she's cut ties with all of those, (INAUDIBLE) to rebuild her

charitable career from within the royal family.

These visits are all about working out which charity and causes for her to work with. And, of course, getting out and being seen by the public.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's like a match made in heaven. You see them and you can feel the warmth. Well, I feel the warmth between them. And I

think that's marvelous.

Forget about the color. They're human beings and they're in love.

FOSTER: Meghan Markle is starting to get a real taste of her lifetime of duty ahead.

Max Foster, CNN, London.


GORANI: And Harry's two-year old niece, Princess Charlotte, started nursery school this week. Here are pictures of her dressed up for that

special occasion to close us out.

I'm Hala Gorani. Thanks for watching tonight. Stay with CNN. "Quest Means Business" is up next.