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President Trump Denies Making Shithole Comments; Trump Deciding Whether To Be Impose Sanctions On Iran; Facebook Changes Aims At Fixing Passive Reading; World Headlines; Rape And Murder Of A Girl Fuels Anger In Pakistan; The Fight For Diversity In The Tech Industry. Aired at 8-9a ET

Aired January 12, 2018 - 08:00   ET

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KRISTIE LU STOUT, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong and welcome to News Stream.

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LU STOUT: Shock and disbelief, the world reacts to a very harsh comment attributed to U.S. President Donald Trump, which he now denies.

To waive sanctions or not, Mr. Trump has just hours to decide whether to restore sanctions against Iran and quite possibly ends the deal. And more

friend and family? Facebook says it is changing its ways so we see fewer adverts on our news feeds.

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LU STOUT: So, we have just heard from President Trump, who is now denying reports that he used crude and offensive language in a White House meeting

on Thursday.

Now, Mr. Trump tweets this, the language he used at the DACA meeting was tough but adds this was not the language used. Now, he is referring to

reports that he used the term, shithole countries, when referring to African Haiti.

A source tells CNN that Mr. Trump express frustration at allowing immigrants from those regions, asking, "Why do we want all those people

from shithole countries coming here?"

And on the top of temporary protective status given those from countries enduring natural disasters or serious political unrest, we are told that

the president said this, quote, why do we need more Haitians? Take them out.

Here is senior Washington correspondent Joe Johns live at the White House. And, Joe, this crude outburst attributed to the president, it was widely

report but the president since has taken to Twitter to clarify what he says.

JOE JOHNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, the president has this morning taken to Twitter to deny actually making the comment, no further

clarification from him, and it does appear that the White House message machine now has to catch up with the president.

Because as of last night, the White House was essentially not denying that the president had made these remarks. So complicated situation here, we

will see what develops for the rest of the day.

The conventional wisdom at least last night was that the White House was counting on the president's base to embrace the remarks and said as much.

Even though the president's remarks really put the immigration debate into confusion, especially because the president was responding to a proposal

that would have allowed more people from Hispanic and black countries into the United States.

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JOHNS: President Trump deriding immigrants from Haiti and some nations in Africa, asking the group of lawmakers, why are we having all these people

from shithole countries come here, before saying that the U.S. should accept more immigrants from countries like Norway.

A person familiar with the meeting tells CNN that a frustrated Mr. Trump then went further, saying, "Why do we need more Haitians? Take them out."

The White House not denying the president's racially-charged remarks, insisting that Mr. Trump is fighting for permanent solutions that make our

country stronger by welcoming those who can contribute to our society, grow our economy and assimilate into our great nation.

A White House official downplaying the controversy, telling CNN that staffers predict the president's comments will resonate with Trump's base,

just like his attacks on NFL players kneeling for the national anthem.

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Get that son of a bitch off the field.

JOHNS: The offensive remarks coming weeks after The New York Times reported that Mr. Trump made similar comments at a different Oval Office,

meaning last summer, claiming that all Haitians have AIDS. And that once Nigerians have seen the U.S., they will never go back to their huts.

The White House adamantly denied this reporting, and on the campaign trail, Mr. Trump had a starkly different message for Haitians in Miami when he was

courting their vote.

TRUMP: I will be your champion.

JOHNS: The president's shithole comment just the latest in a pattern of racially-charged remarks.

TRUMP: I would like to have him show his birth certificate. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. You also had

people that were very fine on both sides.

JOHNS: Still, Mr. Trump has repeatedly insisted that he is not a racist.

[08:05:00] TRUMP: I am the least racist person that you have ever met. I am the least racist person.

JOHNS: But on Capitol Hill, bipartisan condemnation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Attacking people based on their race, where they come from, their gender is just unacceptable. And I think the White House is

facing a moral freefall.

JOHNS: Republican Congresswoman Mia Love, whose parents are from Haiti demanding an apology asserting that the president's comments are divisive,

elitist and fly in the face of our nation's values.

The only African-American Republican senator, Tim Scott, calling the remarks disappointing, but the majority of Congress Republicans and GOP

leadership keeping quiet.

TRUMP: Thank you very much.

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JOHNS: So to put a finer point on it, the president's tweet this morning, denying that he made the shithole remark. Here's how it reads, the

language used by, Mia, at the DACA meeting was tough. But this was not the language used, he writes.

What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made, a big setback for DACA, that refers of course to the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals

program that brought hundreds of thousands of young people through no fault of their own into the United States.

Their fate hangs in the balance as immigration talks continue and if they don't get a deal, some fear there could be a government shutdown because

Democrats have tied their demands for a fix to the DACA program to funding for the government, which expires next week, around the 8th or 19th of

January. Kristie, back to you.

LU STOUT: Got it, Joe. You know, Trump says that DACA meeting was a tough meeting, but he says that was not the language that was used. But as we

heard you in your report, you know, it's -- there's a pattern here.

There is a pattern from the president of racially charged remarks. You have been reporting on them all from Charlottesville to his face-off with

the NFL, now this. How suspect is Trump's position on race?

JOHNS: Well, it's certainly suspect to the extent that it is not inclusive. That's for sure. What's also clear is that when the president

makes these remarks, he tends to believe and I think there is some evidence that bears it out that the president's base generally stands with him.

If they don't agree with the president's marks that are racially incendiary, they certainly find them entertaining. So it's pretty clear,

that's who the president is reaching out to when he says such things.

But a lot of other people in the country, including some people in the middle of American politics, often find them offensive, Kristie.

LU STOUT: Joe Johns, reporting live for us from Washington. Thank you, Joe. Let's get the international angle on this. Patrick Oppmann is in El

Salvador for us. Farai Sevenzo is in Nairobi.

To you both, thank you for joining us here on News Stream. Farai, let's start with you. Were people there shocked by the reporting on how the U.S.

president used a slur to describe all of Africa?

FARAI SEVENZO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, they were of course shock but not entirely surprised, Kristie. I mean, you remember, you know, those remarks

you were referring to published by the New York Times, I believe when he said that Haitians have AIDS, and that Nigerians would not want to go back

to Nigeria because they would not want to go back to their huts.

It has been seen here in Nairobi, in Africa, as a man who is grossly out of touch with the way the continent has developed over the last few years.

Take a look at what people were telling us on the streets of Nairobi.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is not unexpected from somebody of his nature. We already know he is this kind of person. So I don't feel any -- I don't

think it's normally since meeting someone like him. All we got to do as Africans, is just step up our games.

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SEVENZO: And, of course, we've heard that would had the strongest reaction from the Botswana government, who are not on the list of contemporary

protective status. But they write in their statement that Botswana has accepted U.S. citizens within their borders.

And that is why we view the actions by the current American president as highly irresponsible, reprehensible and racist, Kristie.

So right now, we are getting those first signs of African governments beginning to respond to what has been a slur on the entire continent, even

though he was already talking about three countries of Somalia, South Sudan and Sudan.

LU STOUT: OK. And that's the reaction there from Africa from, Farai Sevenzo, thank you. Again, Donald Trump denies using such language. But

people, of course, still up in arms because of the reporting of what was said in this meeting. Let's go to our Patrick Oppmann.

He joins us now live from El Salvador. And, Patrick, how are people there and across Latin America reacted to what Trump reportedly said about

immigrants?

[08:10:00] PATRICK OPPMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, and the El Salvadorian foreign prime minister last night, came out and asked to what

have to confirm or deny these comments.

Now that he has denied them, Kristie, I don't know if it's going to do any good. People took great insult at President Trump's comments about El

Salvador, particularly at a moment when he is proposing setting some 200,000 El Salvadorians who lived in the United States for many years --

excuse me, back to this country.

And nearly everybody here has family in the U.S. So that's a great concern because he sent so much money back to El Salvador. But El Salvadorians say

that they've contributed a great deal to the United States as well.

They helped rebuild the Pentagon after 9/11. They helped reconstruct New Orleans after hurricane Katrina and that they pay taxes, and that their

people that have sought to have a legal status there, they have a lot of affection for the United States.

They feel that they can contribute to the United States and that they help the United States when it comes to working together on drug trafficking and

fighting gang violence.

So they just found this to be incredibly insulting and frankly racist, is what the word that the people kept telling me over and over yesterday when

we asked them for their reaction.

For the U.S. diplomats here in El Salvador, of course, is a very tricky tightrope to walk because they can't disagree with the president. But last

night, the ambassador to El Salvador from the United States tweeted out the following.

She says the United States, values the friendship and relationship with El Salvador. I had the privilege to travel around this beautiful country and

meet thousands of El Salvadorians.

It is an honor to live and work here. We remain 100 percent committed. And that's from Jean Manes, the Unites States ambassador to the republic El

Salvador.

The embassy, itself, also tweeted out, the United States is proud to be a partner of El Salvador and we remain firm in our friendship. It dates back

various decades.

So, obviously, the government here and the Unites States government, the diplomats, at least, are looking at how do they move past this

conversation.

But I think for many people, this is going to define how they think of President Trump and it really does change perhaps for some people their

view of the United States. Kristie.

LU STOUT: Yes, so despite the denial, bipartisan damage has been done. Patrick Oppmann, joining us live from El Salvador, thank you, Patrick.

In just a matter of hours, President Trump is set to decide whether to waive or re-impose U.S. sanctions on Iran. If he brings them back, Iran

may pull out of the nuclear deal entirely.

The French President Emmanuel Macron spoke to Mr. Trump on Thursday and reiterated that France remains committed to the 2015 deal. He is one of

many European leaders urging Mr. Trump not to endanger it. As Nick Paton Walsh reports, he may be listening.

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NICK PATON WALSH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: well, at this stage, it does appear, according to signals from national security advisers and the White House

generally that Donald Trump will continue to waive sanctions against Iran.

Unclear whether at this point because part of the strategy seemed to be leaving that ultimate decision down to the last minute, to create that

sense of tension, perhaps it appeals to showmanship of Donald Trump or perhaps it's a part of a border strategy to let Iran quote, feel the heat.

But regardless of how this White House continues, we've seen evidence of solidarity from European signature to that nuclear agreement as well. In

Brussels, Javad Zarif, the Iranian foreign minister is sitting with his European counterparts, Russian counterparts, too.

It's quite clear that each signature is the deal, see this the very best option, believe that Iran is keeping its side of the bargain as well and

perhaps show some dismay at the volume of hostile rhetoric being delivered from the White House.

Remember the part of the moderate government of Iran's rationale for signing this deal, will be that they will be able to see sanction relief

and, therefore, European money flooding into the country. Foreign investment, giving an economic boom to those who have seen sanctions

destroy many lives inside Iran.

That hasn't happened because Washington has been so vehement in its anti- Iranian rhetoric. European countries have been concerned that if they sank money into Iran, they could potentially loose it, if the U.S. decided to

boost sanctions or perhaps, their business could be a risk in the U.S. if they chose to put money into Iran.

So that really, the economic boom people expected to happen hasn't really transpired. Some say that many be part of fueling the economic hardship

protest we're seen in the past weeks. They were also fueled too by a desire even the Iranian government to some degree admitted for greater

political freedom.

But still, as these continued deadlines amounts every three months or so, Donald Trump have to continue to waive these sanction. The pressure is

building against Iran, there is some perhaps who had advocate Donald Trump's vision who say that is, in fact, exactly what he intended.

He is keeping the pressure up in sanctions and other areas, too, have been increased. But there are others, too, who say look, we are dealing with

the situation here, where the longer this pressure keeps up, the greater the risk for a nuclear deal actually is.

Well, we don't quite know exactly how this is going to play out in the months ahead. But the protests of recent weeks did certainly shake many in

Iran's government.

[08:15:04] The question now, whether or not this nuclear deal and everyone basically apart from the Trump White House seems to believe it is good idea

and the best way of keeping Iran from pursuing nuclear technology, well that potentially increase in risk. Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, London.

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LU STOUT: Now, President Trump says he is canceling his trip to London, where he was expected to cut the ribbon on a new embassy. He explained his

reasoning in a tweet, blaming the Obama White House for selling the old embassy site for peanuts.

But the call to move the embassy was actually made a decade ago be the Bush administration. Now the mayor of London suggested that the real reason

Trump scrapped this visit is because many Londoners have made it clear, Trump is not welcome.

Sadiq Khan tweeted quote, it seem Trump finally got the message. And alongside everything else, Mr. Trump is raising eyebrows with new comments

about his relationship with the leader of North Korea, Will Ripley has that.

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WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: U.S. President Donald Trump's remarks to the Wall Street Journal that he probably has a good relationship with North

Korean Leader Kim Jong-un certainly came as a surprise to many who watched the situation closely on the Korean Peninsula.

Yes, there are back channel communications between the U.S. and North Korea at the United Nations, and New York, and elsewhere. However, sources I

have spoken with in the U.S. and North Korea on numerous have given zero indication of any possibly of direct communication between Kim Jong-un and

President Trump.

And there are many reasons for that, tensions between the two countries are at some of the highest levels they have been in years. North Korea just

the other day, threatened the United States with its nuclear weapons saying they were pointed directly at the mainland.

Last week, President Trump was taunting Kim Jong-un on Twitter about the size and strength of his nuclear button. Three months ago, he told the

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson it was a waste of time trying to engage with North Koreans.

And of course, who can forget little rocket man and the other insults that President Trump has hurled at Kim Jong-un. By the way, Kim Jong-un has

hurled them right back calling President Trump everything from mentally deranged to a doter, to an old lunatic.

At the White House, a senior administration official when asked about this told CNN, quote, that's not something we will discuss. But we are not

aware that this contact has occurred. So a lot of Korea watchers don't really believe that it's very likely.

In fact, they think it's highly unlikely that there has been any communication between Kim Jong-un and President Trump, and they certainly

wouldn't describe that relationship as good. Will Ripley, CNN, Seoul.

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LU STOUT: And a quick programming note for you. On Saturday, CNN's Paula Hancocks will take us on an incredible story. She will show us how a North

Korean soldier escaped in South Korea, how he managed to survive the ordeal against all odds and more. Take a look.

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PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A desperate flight to freedom. A North Korean soldier, identified as Oh Chong Song, 24-years-old, shot by his

comrades. Saved by those he was taught to see a mortal enemies.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Five -- at least five wounds, hemostasis has been achieved to that it will stop the bleeding. And obviously nothing online

so he's a defector or you know what his nationality is.

HANCOCKS: Major Smith (ph), has less than a minute to brief first (Inaudible), the priority to get the patient airborne and to a hospital.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: From the time I saw him, I looked at him, I prayed.

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LU STOUT: And you can see the full story Saturday, 1 p.m. London, 9 p.m. Hong Kong time, only on CNN. Now, Facebook got a lot of heat last year for

struggling to deal with fake news and bad ads on its platform. And it has just announced major changes that could make a difference -- a look at

that.

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LU STOUT: Coming to you live from Hong Kong, welcome back, this is News Stream. Now Facebook says it is making big changes to its news feed,

instead of branded stories or sponsored content, the billions of Facebook users there will be seeing more of what their friends and families are

posting.

This means, the countless publishers and brands who advertise on the platform may get a lot less exposure. Facebook says this change will

hopefully do away with the passive scrolling and passive browsing, and improve users' well being.

Now the editor-in-chief of Wired Magazine, Nicholas Thompson, joins us now for a look into that. Nic, thank you so much for joining us.

And before we get into what does this mean for us as publishers before they enable, what is this Facebook overhaul mean for the consumer? For the

typical Facebook user, what is it going to look like for them? $

NICHOLAS THOMPSON, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, WIRED: So Facebook is changing the algorithm of powers in news feed. News feed is sort of the core engine of

Facebook. It's the thing that determines the number of new stories you see, the number of baby photos and the number of comments you see from your

old friend from high school.

So that algorithm weighs tons and tons of factors. And so what Facebook is now saying, is that they're re-weighting the algorithm to favor meaningful

interactions. Now, meaningful is kind of hard to define and they haven't given us too many clues about how exactly they're doing it.

One thing we do know for sure is that they're going to prioritize the kinds of posts that get lots of comments, particularly long comments as oppose to

the kinds of post that get lots of likes or even lots of people to click on them.

So, what you will see is we will see more stuff from your friends, you will see more conversations and you will see fewer kind of popular things

streaming through.

LU STOUT: Got it. So more conversations, friends and family, that's the kind of change that we're going to see on the news feed on Facebook. What

does the overhaul mean for publishers, like Wired, like CNN, what will this algorithm change do to us?

THOMPSON: Well, it could potentially be devastating. So Facebook very clearly said that some publishers will take a hit. In fact I think I may

have said, news will take a hit.

And that's because it will be favoring, you know, friends and family posts as opposed to posts from public organizations. On the other hand, I have a

feeling that what if they're trying to do is to favor meaningful interactions serious publishers, CNN, Wired, actually do start

conversations with their posts.

So if on the one hand, they're down weighting the news industry, but on the other hand they're up weighting serious stuff. Maybe it comes out a wash.

That will be my hope at least.

LU STOUT: You know, this all comes down to how Mark Zuckerberg defines the word meaningful. I mean, that's the word he is saying a lot here.

THOMPSON: Yes.

LU STOUT: He says that this change is about fostering meaningful social interactions and one can't help but just be a little bit cynical here. I

mean, can Facebook be engineered to be more meaningful when at the end of the day it's just about, you know, making us stay on the platform?

THOMPSON: Right. So of all the critiques, you know, in the last year about, Facebook, the fake news, the Russian operations, the one that this

is trying to address is the critique from people who said Facebook basically makes us lonely or makes us stupid, makes us unhappy.

It's trying to counter that. Facebook really does feel like that critique hit home. Now, you are asking a really good question. Can they switch the

things that can allow a lot of meaningless interactions to exist on Facebook?

My instinct is that they probably can, like, you really can change this platform. So the question you ask gives another great one, will this hurt

their financial well being, Zuckerberg has very specifically stated that even if it does, he's OK with that.

Now, that's fine for him to say, we'll see how Facebook share holders feel about that, if it really does start to decrease engagement on the platform.

But on the other hand, what it does, it drops the engagement with stuff that makes us kind of feel bad or is not very exciting, or if it's click

bait, that's probably good for Facebook in the long run and it's probably good for its financial help in the long run. I think this is a pretty

smart move, though, I'm, obviously, worried about news.

LU STOUT: Yes, but also like, what is good for Facebook is not necessarily good for us, right? Because on Facebook, the product is the user, the more

time we stay on it, the more money Facebook makes.

[08:25:00] Can Facebook ever be truly meaningful and good for us?

THOMPSON: Yes, that is the core existential problem for them. So Zuckerberg's answer at least through his PR department is that they care

more -- when the user, when the health and the sort of well-being of the user comes in conflict with Facebook's business model, Zuckerberg is saying

he is going to choose the health and well-being at the user.

Obviously, this give me a lot of pressure at Facebook's business model and it may just be that the whole thing is set up so much to suck us in, to

take away our attention, to make us mindfully scroll through it instead of actually doing thing we value much more in life. It may be that Facebook

can't get out of this. However, they should get credit for at least thinking about this complicated issue.

LU STOUT: Yes, absolutely. And may Zuckerberg find meaning in CNN. Fingers crossed to that. Nick Thompson, as always, thank you so much.

Until next time, take care.

THOMPSON: Thank you. Thank you, Kristie.

LU STOUT: Mark Zuckerberg is concerned about the meaning, about the well- being of Facebook users. But a former Apple executive and iPhone designer, warns this, that our well-being might be hurt by being on our smartphones

all the time in the first place, Laurie Segall gets his take on iPhone addiction.

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LAURIE SEGALL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You had very integral role in creating the iPhone.

TONY FADELL, CO-CREATOR OF IPHONE: Right. I was one of the team -- well, one of the leaders of the team to create the device.

SEGALL: At the time, were you thinking about screen time and addiction? Were any of those conversations happening behind closed doors at Apple?

FADELL: Absolutely not. We were just taking something that people use on a regular basis, their laptops, their phones, what have you and putting

them together. We never thought this was going to be what it is today.

SEGALL: You as someone who had firsthand experience creating the iPhone, a device that I, myself and many other people I know are addicted to, what do

you mean when you say this is a moment of unintended consequence.

FADELL: Well, if we look back 11 years ago, was the introduction of the iPhone. And now we have a device in our pockets at all times, right?

Usually on the bed stand, too. So When you put all of these things together, this is the unintended consequences that allow these products to

become so important in our lives that it's hard for us to put them down.

SEGALL: This is definitely a Silicon Valley sized problem. How do you fix it?

FADELL: To know you're addicted, you have to have some kind of way to measure what you do. We have scales for our physical life. We can weigh

ourselves. We have no skills for our digital life.

Companies like Apple, Google, Facebook, all of these. They collect all this usage information. They know what we're doing, but we don't have that

information back. Then we need controls to allow us just like we do in the physical world, to set goals. But we need those tools and controls at the

operating system level.

SEGALL: That's an interesting point. I mean, this idea that there will be even an alert for -- an alert for digital consumption, that's what you're

talking about.

FADELL: Exactly. And some people won't want any of them, and some people will.

SEGALL: How do you negotiate the business decision also the ethical obligation?

FADELL: Give the tools to the people who want them, yes, maybe they're going to spend less time, but maybe these people are going to be more

healthy and live longer.

So, they are actually going to buy more devices for another 10 years. But until we have these tools and controls, there are things that we can do as

individuals, would you put a bottle of alcohol next to your kid's bed?

SEGALL: No, I wouldn't.

FADELL: If you leave them with devices all night long, in the bedroom, it is not almost the same?

SEGALL: But the difference is, we didn't realize that our smartphone was the equivalent of a bottle of alcohol.

FADELL: Correct. But there are simple things we can do. Don't allow screens at the epic table when you're eating.

SEGALL: Is it too late to put the genie back in the bottle?

FADELL: No, it's never too late. We have to be optimistic.

SEGALL: I know Steve Jobs was your mentor. What do you think he would think about this moment?

FADELL: When he initially started Apple, he said he wanted to make the computer for the rest of us. The dream has come true. If he was here

today, I'm sure he would be saying many of the same things. And Apple is still doing that, wants to do the right thing for their customers.

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LU STOUT: Tony Fadell speaking to CNN there. Now, authorities in Pakistan reveal new information about who killed a 7-year-old girl, Zainab Ansari.

We will have the latest on the investigation as well as the outrage against the government, next on CNN.

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[08:30:00] LU STOUT: I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong. You're watching "News Stream" and these are your world headlines.

President Trump is now denying reports that he used crude and offensive language in a White House meeting on Thursday. A source says the U.S.

president made shocking comments about allowing immigrants from certain developing countries into the U.S. asking, why do we want all these people

from shithole countries coming here?

President Trump has just a few more hours to decide whether to reimpose sanctions on Iran. French President Emmanuel Macron says France remains

committed to the 2015 Iran nuclear deal. He spoke to Mr. Trump on Thursday. And Iran may walk away from the agreement if sanctions are put back in

place.

Facebook says it is revamping how user's news feeds will look. Posts by friends and family will be given priority over sponsored content. Facebook

says this is to boost meaningful interaction among its users as people usually just scroll past branded posts instead of engaging in conversation.

Authorities in Pakistan's Punjab Province say they have new information on the man who they think raped and murdered a 7-year-old girl. For the

latest, let's go live to our Sam Kiley in Abu Dhabi. Sam, what is the latest on the outrage and the investigation?

SAM KILEY, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The latest is that there has now been an assertion by the authorities, that they believe that

they are on the track of a serial killer, having linked the deaths of six young girls who were murdered over the last two years to one batch of DNA.

Now the latest victim found on Tuesday, Zainab Ansari's DNA analysis, the analysis of her body, is not yet fully clear. So, there has not yet been a

link between her mother and this other possible serial killer.

But the authorities suspect strongly that she may be his latest victim. Now this is a town that has been blighted by this sort of sexual violence, not

only by murders, but also enormous numbers of reported incidents of kidnappings, of sexual attacks, both heterosexual and homosexual, on boys

and girls at very young age.

It is down to about 4-and-a-half over the last year, for example. Over 100 cases were reported in this area alone. Now, that followed the

investigation in 2015 of 25 suspects, two of whom got life sentences for producing pedophile videos.

So, this has been a very serious incident in a number of extremely serious incidents, which are galvanizing the Pakistani political classes. At the

same time, those very classes are getting criticism from human rights groups, jumping on a bandwagon that has, if he's like left some time ago,

amid continuous criticism,

[08:35:00] the police are not doing enough in tracking down this killer. But they have offered a reward of the equivalent of $90,000 U.S. for

information leading to the killer or killer's arrest, given the police 24 hours notice to come up with a solution and the gun to bring in some heavy

hitters from elsewhere in the country in terms of the investigations.

LU STOUT: OK. The investigation is progressing, but may there be answers and justice for this little girl. Sam Kiley reporting for us live, thank

you.

The "Me Too" movement affected entertainment world, political, tech industries in the west. But a video game designer says the gaming industry

is not seeing the effects. We are going to hear from Brianna Wu to see how she plans to change that.

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LU STOUT: All right, coming to you live from Hong Kong on a Friday night no less. Welcome back. This is "News Stream."

The tech world is feeling the effects of the "Me Too" movement. CES organizers this week, they added two female keynote speakers after it was

heavily criticized for originally having an all male panel.

The tech industry has long struggled with sexism and harassment. One of the most troubled areas is in the video gaming industry. But Brianna Wu, a

video game designer and key target in Gamergate is taking steps to change that. She is running for Congress.

Gamergate as you may recall was an online hate movement. In 2014, it threatened to murder or rape several women for simply being in the video

game industry. Some targets had to flee their homes after their personal information was illegally put online.

Let's hear more about her campaign from Brianna Wu. She joins us from Dedham, Massachusetts via Skype. Brianna, thank you so much for joining us

here on the program. The "Me Too" movement in the media sector, it led to the downfall of Harvey Weinstein, the downfall of Matt Lauer and many

others. But the "Me Too" movement, it's working in the video game industry?

BRIANNA WU, VIDEO GAME DEVELOPER AND DESIGNER: No, we haven't really had a single man stepped down in our field. We had one media figure stepped down,

but no one in the video game development house. And, I can tell you, I'm very close friends with many women in the game industry, it's not because

the guys behave well in my field.

LU STOUT: At the moment, a woman in my industry in journalism can break the silence, can speak up and be confident that she is going to be heard.

But if a woman in the video game industry breaks her silence, does she still wish destroying her career even now?

WU: Well, I think you can look at what happened to the careers of women that have spoken up. I can easily point you to 10 or 15 women that have

spoken up and they have found themselves targeted. We had one woman that worked at Nintendo.

She had everything -- her entire life -- she had everything in her entire life combed through until they found something to get her fired. And she

hasn't been back to the video game industry yet. So, no, it's utterly rational sadly for women in the video game industry to choose to stay

silent.

LU STOUT: And we can change the status quo by changing policy. You are running for Congress. Tell us more about your platform, especially in

regards to empowering women in tech.

WU: Well, you know, I think this is one of these situations where I think that asking men to do the right thing

[08:40:00] in the tech industry isn't going to work. We need to be able to do the right thing ourselves. And, you know, for a multitude of reasons,

women don't make it all the way up the chain in the video game industry.

You know, there is no shortage of women getting into junior and intern intern positions, but when you look at where their career goes 10 years

from now, you know, we're not really rising up the rank. So, if I'm elected to Congress, I certainly help to serve on the technology subcommittee.

I want to hold hearings about, you know, hiring bias in the tech industry. I want to bring video game companies like Rockstar in front of Congress and

I want to look at why women aren't making it up the ranks.

LU STOUT: Yes, absolutely, by putting more women in positions of power in the industry. Gamergate, again, that campaign of harassment happened a

couple years ago. It was widely reported in 2014.

In the end, despite the activism and despite the press, it didn't lead to any change. Are you optimistic that you can bring about change in the

industry, not inside the industry, but in office, in Congress?

WU: Well, I think this is a really good example of why we need women in Congress. My strongest advocates during Gamergate were women in Congress

including Representative Katherine Clark. So, you know, if you want to get down to a really base like spreadsheet level, the issue with the FBI not

responding to Gamergate was an issue of resources.

The FBI doesn't really have the tools they made online to prosecute crimes. They don't have anyone whose specific job at those at the FBI to go

investigate high profile death threats. So what I want to do is I want to put that into our funding bills and I want to specifically create a

division at the FBI that will handle these kinds of crimes.

LU STOUT: You mentioned the death threats. You were a high profile target of Gamergate. You were subjected to relentless waves of abuse. Have the

trolls come after you again since you announced you will run for Congress?

WU: There is no good way to have a law and order episode made about you. You know, it was exhausting. It's still -- it's so routine. You know, I was

with my husband the other night. We were doing a campaign event. I got a call from someone saying he was going to murder me and rape me.

I just felt absolutely nothing. It's just numbness at this point. So, you know, I think the truth is, we that experience this, we need to stand tall,

so the women coming up after us are not going to have to deal with this kind of harassment and abuse.

LU STOUT: Brianna Wu, we thank you for your activism, we thank you for speaking out. Best of luck to you as you run for Congress. Brianna Wu,

joining us live from Dedham, Massachusetts, take care.

And that is "News Stream." I'm Kristie Lu Stout, but don't go anywhere, we got "World Sport" coming up next with Amanda Davies.

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