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[18:00:00] S.E. CUPP, HOST, HLN: Are you prepared? OK. Well, I am with you, James Garfield historic society. OK. A perfect lead in for my friend,
Ashleigh Banfield. Crime and Justice is next.
ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HOST, HLN: Good evening, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. And this is Crime and Justice.
Tonight, Florida turns into the Wild, Wild West despite being our most southeast state hosting a shootout that made one part of Pensacola look
like the O.K. Corral. Except for the fact that the setting is no frontier.
It is a stoplight where ordinary people like you and me are just waiting for the light to change.
So that happened, and then police tracked the gold Toyota and arrested that young man, 33-year-old Jeremy Olds. But the driver who first shot him is
still on the run tonight. And police say he is this man. Twenty-seven-year- old Jonathan James Harris who you can look for in a silver Lexus and while you`re at it, duck.
If you think you can mess with a veteran of the United States Navy, there is a good chance that you`ll come out on the losing end, even if it takes a
while. And one fool who messed with a vet in Texas is out there tonight.
Police say he targeted people at a gas station approaching their cars and asking for cigarettes which is how he got inside a particular truck he
shouldn`t have, pushing past Allan Huddleston and hopping into the driver seat. But Allan Huddleston fought in Vietnam and it`s every bit the 69-
year-old navy vet who would not go down without a fight.
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ALLAN HUDDLESTON, WAR VETERAN: And trying to drive off, when they tried to drive off, I`ve got the keys. I reach in my truck and I put him in a
headlock and I drag him out of my truck. When he drove off, of course I went down. Almost you got run over. He`s done this before. No doubt in my
mind. And he`ll do it again.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BANFIELD: Allan`s truck was found in another city a few hours later, but that carjacker was nowhere to be seen. And police say the 30 to 40-year-old
black male suspect also made off with Allan`s wallet.
And then there`s this. A group of kids in Massachusetts are safe and sound by pure luck tonight after a terrifying trip down what you could only
describe as a black ice covered neighborhood road.
A woman was watching the whole thing from her bedroom window when she heard the neighbors yelling at each other to get out of their cars. And this is
the reason why.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My goodness. My god. My god! No.
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BANFIELD: Kind of a hesitation there because that woman`s own kids were waiting for the bus and her friend`s kids were on the bus. She took the
video because she wanted to --she wanted them to see what had actually happened.
Everyone OK, though, it seems.
California highway patrol has had enough as if it weren`t bad enough that drunk drivers are endangering the lives of all of us on the freeway, now
they are picking off patrolmen on the side of the road, making the job even more deadly than it already is.
Case and point, one of their latest harrowing smash ups caught on dash cams out of nowhere. An SUV flying across the highway sideways, slamming into
that car, sending the officers scrambling up that hill.
The highway patrol said this is just one of five times that they have been hit by cars this month alone. One drunk driver even killing a fellow
officer with another one in the hospital with two broken legs. Releasing the video to say ease up. Watch it.
You know, justice means a lot of things to a lot of people, but today hopefully dozens of young women who were sexually abused by this man, an
Olympic doctor, well, let`s hope that today they feel the scales of justice to finally tipped their way.
Because the judge in this case if you didn`t see it, she threw the book at Larry Nassar locking that former doctor up for as many as 175 years, but
not before a remarkable and jaw dropping 45 minutes that is rarely seen in an American courtroom
Judge Rosemarie Aquilina tore into Larry Nassar in diatribe that had people both stone cold silent and erupting into cheers.
[18:05:01] It began with the judge reading the open letter, the letter that Larry Nassar wrote to her, protesting the way that he had been treated.
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ROSEMARIE AQUILINA, JUDGE, INGHAM COUNTY CIRCUIT COURT: What I did in the state cases was medical, not sexual. But because of reports, I lost all
support thus another reason for the state`s guilty plea.
I was a good doctor because my treatments worked and those patients that are now speaking out were the same ones that praised and came back over and
over. And referred family and friends to see me.
The media convinced them that everything I did was wrong and bad. They feel I broke their trust. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. I wanted to
plead no contest, but the A.G. refused that.
I was so manipulated by the A.G. and now Aquilina. And all I wanted was to minimize stress to everyone like I wrote earlier.
They are seeking the media attention and financial reward. Would you like to withdraw your plea?
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BANFIELD: Judge Aquilina spent the next several minutes lecturing Larry Nassar while delivering her sentence or as she called it, his death
warrant.
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AQUILINA: The law does not limit victims impact statements to direct victims. It doesn`t say, and I have found nowhere that limits you from
having you hear all of your victims.
Aside from the letter that you wrote a couple of months after your plea which tells me you still don`t get it, there is something I don`t
understand and I want to make clear. You knew you had a problem from a very young age, even before you were a doctor.
You could have taken yourself away from temptation. And you did not. You could have gone anywhere in the world to be treated. I can`t even guess how
many vulnerable children and families you actually assaulted.
It is my honor and privilege to sentence you. Because, sir, you do not deserve to walk outside of a prison ever again. It is my privilege on count
1, 2, 5, 8, 10, and 18 and 24 to sentence you to 40 years, 40 years just so you know and you can count it off your calendar.
This is 480 months. Sir, I`m giving you 175 years which is 2,100 months. I just signed your death warrant in the event somehow God is gracious, and I
know he is. And you survive the 60 years in federal court first and then you serve on that 40 years, you will receive jail credit on counts 1, 2, 5,
8, 10, and 18 on of 169 days. On count 24, you will have 370 days jail credit.
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BANFIELD: AKA, you pretty much never seeing the light of day again. That ruling kept a remarkable weeklong hearing in which scores of Nassar`s
victim. The 156 victims were able to look him in the eye, face to face in that Michigan courtroom and confront him.
[18:09:59] And here`s how some of them reacted after hearing where Nassar was going and for how long Nassar will be stuck there.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
RACHAEL DENHOLLANDER, LARRY NASSAR`S ACCUSER: The who, the what, the when and the where was answered this week as my survivor sisters and I took the
stand. But the why and the how has yet to be uncovered. Why could Nassar get away with sexually abusing little girls for so very long?
How could two major institutions surrounding him so abhorrently fail at protecting the children and women under their care?
CHRISTY LEMKE-AKEO, LARRY NASSAR`S ACCUSER: Larry is sentenced, but there is still so much work to do. And it is truly just the beginning because,
you know, Kaylee (Ph) said in her statement we`re not going to heal all the way until we know exactly who knew what when and, you know, how they are
going to fix it.
TARYN LOOK, LARRY NASSAR`S ACCUSER: Today was one of the hardest days of my life. But if it was not for these women all week speaking their truth, I
would not be able to stand here and speak in front of you right now.
Everyone in the world should be outraged right now and if you aren`t, you should examine why. Because if you aren`t as outraged as I am, you should
ask yourself why.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BANFIELD: And to be clear, they started as accusers, they became victims in a case and officially today, even as the judge said from the bench, they
became survivors.
I want to speak with one of the preeminent judges who was commented on social justice and justice from the bench, Judge Glenda Hatchett, she is a
former chief juvenile court judge, and she joins me from Birmingham, Alabama.
Judge Glenda, I wanted to get your take on the judge in this case and how she handles herself from the bench. There is some positive and some
negative. The net effect is he heard his sentence and we all heard about this crime and about where we`re going with reporting and actually
litigating these crimes.
GLENDA HATCHETT, FORMER CHIEF JUVENILE COURT JUDGE: Absolutely. Ashleigh, I applaud her. I absolutely applaud her. I know there has been some criticism
that she overstepped, but in that framework, she was both a judge, but she also showed great compassion from the victims who we now describe as
survivors correctly and their families.
Because not just the children and young women who were impacted, there`s families. And when I watched that mother in tears describe her daughter`s
pain, the one who then committed suicide, that victim/survivor is absolutely why everyone, everyone should be absolutely outraged.
And so, actually I think that the judge exercised quite a bit of restraint given how outrageous and despicable Larry Nassar`s conduct was. As you...
(CROSSTALK)
BANFIELD: You know, judge, the other -- the other fascinating aspect of this and I think only if you sit in your shoes on that side of the bench,
you would have to process this in a way that the rest of us can`t imagine.
You have someone in front of you who is apologizing and turning around and saying to his victims I will carry your words with me, but at the same time
just prior to that writing a letter of complaint to the judge about his treatment through the whole process.
HATCHETT: Can you believe that? I mean, how dare he.
BANFIELD: No. No. And that`s what I`m wondering. How does this judge then make the cocktail of what she is hearing before her and a plea agreement,
meaning I`ll admit I`m guilty and ultimately try to look someone in the face and understand who he is and what he really feels.
HATCHETT: Right. I again, I thought that she exercised quite a bit of restraint. I mean, Ashleigh, you`ve known me for years. I would have not
been as constrained in dealing with him today.
I think she was actually right in noting that this was a problem that he had had for a long time and could have taken steps to remedy it, but
instead he destroyed so many lives. And then had the audacity, the nerve, how dare he say that he was the victim? And that he in fact was conducting
medical treatment and he was not sexually abusing these innocent people.
BANFIELD: Well, and then hell hath -- hell hath no fury like a woman scorned which I think we can all agree in this case.
(CROSSTALK)
HATCHETT: How dare he!
BANFIELD: In this case it`s a good thing. And actually I want to bring in CNN`s ports analyst Christine Brennan right now who joins me live as well,
she is in Washington. She`s also a sports columnist for USA Today.
Christine Brennan, I want to talk to you about the wider implications of what happened today. From our standpoint when we cover courts every day
this was a jaw dropper. We just don`t see judges often with this kind of temperament.
[18:15:04] You know, jurists are far more reserve and how they exact, you know, the punishment. But this was just raw and it makes big headlines. And
by the way that`s really good thing in a way because this now comes into the Me Too movement where it is no longer OK to not listen to little girls
or to dismiss their complaints.
And in that vein, I wanted you to comment on the University of Michigan and its president and the calls for resignation, the calls for heads, right
across the USA Gymnastics, et cetera, or Michigan State.
CHRISTINE BRENNAN, SPORTS ANALYST, CNN: Exactly. Ashleigh, I -- in fact, I have a column out right now saying the president, President Simon should
go, should be gone. I think the board of directors should be gone and the athletic director, I know him. Mark Collins.
How in the world can any of them survive with the knowledge that they had? Some of them, you know, in the case of the president and having the 2014
title nine complaint three years after the horrors of Jerry Sandusky at Penn State and she doesn`t have the audacity to look into what it was?
Unbelievable. So you`ve got that.
USA Gymnastics the fact that there are still some directors left. They got to go.
BANFIELD: So, you know, while you`re saying -- while you`re saying that, I want to help our viewers along. Because you are steeped in this in the
timeline of everything that happened.
And for a lot of people it`s just sort of new to them. So let me put the time line out and I want you to carry on your thought. It starts in `86
when Nassar becomes an athletic trainer at USA Gymnastics.
In 1994, a student athlete claims, you know, she reported her sex abuse or the she reported the sex abuse of another girl to Michigan State. In 2000,
a second student athlete reports sex abuse by Nassar.
Fourteen years later, Michigan State clears him in a sex abuse complaint and claimed that the assault happened during a medical exam or what was
considered assault was a medical exam.
And then in 2016 the first criminal complaint is filed against him. So, with that whole sort of two-decade long timeline and inaction, carry on
with your thought.
BRENNAN: It sounds like the leadership of Michigan State, and they are by the way, there are different leaders back at that time, nonetheless what
happened at the last few years is on the watch the president, and 10 years on the athletic director.
It sounds like they were more concerned about the brand. They were more concerned, Ashleigh, about the image than they were about these individual
complaints. Title nine is a law of the land. It is not a recommendation. If there is a title nine complaint, you must do several things right away to
make sure you`re dealing with that. Michigan State didn`t do much of any of that if any at all. And so this went on and on and on. And that`s it. I
mean, it`s -- go ahead.
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BANFIELD: By the way, you mentioned brand. And something happened today that is also extraordinary when it comes to brand. AT&T has pulled its
sponsorship of USA Gymnastics.
Let me just read real quickly what the comment is, the statement is. "We notified USA Gymnastics that we are suspending our sponsorship of the
organization until it is rebuilt and we know that the athletes are in a safe environment. The terrible abuse suffered by these young women is
unconscionable. We remain committed to helping these young athletes to pursue their dreams and hope to find other ways to do so."
My first reaction is, wait a second, you are pulling the money from, you know, from USA Gymnastics, that`s pulling the money from the gymnasts and
their ability to compete on a level playing field with everyone around the world who has big sponsors. Am I wrong?
BRENNAN: No. That is correct and several other sponsors actually have also pulled out over the last few months. The key element there as they say that
they are suspending it until they see the change in USA Gymnastics. That change has already started although it was slow in coming.
They finally have a new CEO, they got rid of three board members earlier this week, they got to get rid of the rest of the board. And I think one of
the things we are seeing today an extraordinary letter from the U.S. Olympic Committee their CEO apologizing profusely even though they were not
necessarily directly involved with USA Gymnastics.
They are calling for an independent investigation. They are apologizing over and over again. I think the watershed nature of this moment, American
athletes who we couldn`t -- could not trust that they were being the adults in their lives. This has to be one done.
BANFIELD: Yes.
BRENNAN: This can never ever happen again. I think that`s the magnitude of this.
BANFIELD: Well, we`re sure getting closer to that. Hopefully, being even closer to a reality. This is a big story and it is a big shocker and it is
registering with people.
So now when little girls say things like that about big important doctors, they may not be ignored. In fact, it`s unlikely they`ll be completely
ignored after this.
Christine Brennan, thank you.
BRENNAN: Thank you.
BANFIELD: I appreciate your reporting as always. And my thanks as well to Judge Glenda Hatchett for her perspective from the bench.
Tonight shocking new details about how the parents of a 5-year-old little girl hid her body in a restaurant after killing her. All the while, cooking
and serving their customers. Cooking for and serving their customers. The story is next.
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BANFIELD: At first they said they lost her. Chinese couple in North Canton, Ohio managing the dinner rush at their restaurant with their 5-year-old,
apparently sleeping. Taking a nap in the back until they said that 5-year- old disappeared, maybe wandering out the door of the restaurant.
It didn`t take police long to find little Ashley Zhao. At least they found her body. Little Ashley thought she was hidden in a crawlspace above the
restaurant`s walk in cooler.
[18:25:01] They brought in Ashley`s mom for questioning and at first she said she didn`t know how Ashley died and then her story change. And she
admitted in a cold and careless manner that she had killed her little 5- year-old, but she couldn`t explain how her husband had taken care of the body.
So, that husband was up next. Little Ashley`s dad in the interrogation chair. And he told police everything including how his wife had first
killed Ashley in their home and how they together had brought that little body to the restaurant.
And then he admitted what he did with the little body instead of calling 911. This is what he told police and it`s courtesy of Crime Watch Daily.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And she hit her head on the carpet, you know, three times, and initially she was breathing and her heart stopped breathing so I
started panicking and I tried to do CPR and that`s when we realized she was gone.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You took Ashley to the restaurant. How did you get Ashley from the apartment to the restaurant?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Put her in a car seat.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You carried her out to the car?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your daughter, did you carry her in?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. They saw me. There`s two guys on the roof working on the roof like that. And we brought her inside and we just laid her there
and we just continued our work.
The plan was for Jojo could see her there to verify that she is there. And then I would hide her up in the walk in freezer. And then when we called
the police at night and Jojo verified that she was there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You actually cooked and served meals while your daughter was laying there?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And went on business as usual?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BANFIELD: The father told the police that they convinced their other little daughter that there had been a noise at the backdoor. Apparently, a scheme
so that Ashley`s sister would tell the police that she heard maybe little Ashley leave the restaurant, but in reality Ashley was there the whole
time, dead in a container.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Then I moved her to, you know, the walk in freezer. Put her in that plastic container so that she wouldn`t stink.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are kind of container?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was plastic like a -- it was the plastic containers for restaurants. And then that`s when we were going to call the police and
hoping that, you know, the police would come here and we didn`t expect this.
We didn`t know the procedure of what`s going on. We didn`t know I was going to come down here and take a polygraph and I was going to be asked with so
much questions and there would be so many people involved.
If we knew there was going to be like 100 people searching or maybe even more, I don`t even know. I`m so sorry.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What were your plans to do after, maybe they quit looking for her. What we`re going to do?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don`t really know. Those three things. Like, burn, bury or throw it in the ocean.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BANFIELD: It. Throw it in the ocean. Joining me now Pat LaLama, managing editor of Crime Watch Daily. And you can see her every day on the program
Crime Watch Daily with Chris Hanson. She`s live with me from Los Angeles.
I saw you shaking your head. God, you watched this whole interrogation tape where he`s talking about putting his 5-year-old child`s body in the freezer
so it wouldn`t stink. And what was the plan for later? Burn it. I don`t know, throw it in the ocean. That`s really hard to get through a tape like
this.
I can`t, you know, I think we`ve got an audio problem, Pat. I can`t hear you. I don`t think the viewers can either. We`re going to see if we can`t
reconnect your audio.
And in the meantime, we`ll just give you a couple more details about this. Because if you are in disbelief, I am, too.
The mom who gave her interrogation information ha the flat affect as well, admitting that she had -- you know, admitting that her child was difficult
and that she had hit her in the head and that that`s how little Ashley died.
And Ming-Ming has been -- she is facing 22 years behind bars for this. Her husband Liang is getting 12 years for this.
I want to bring in clinical and forensic psychologist Cheryl Arutt, she joins me from Los Angeles.
[18:30:01] Maybe, Cheryl, and while we are getting Pat to come back with these details, you can just help me get through this sort of disbelief I
have with the way a father would refer to his own child as an it, particularly the body of his child as an it. How does that happen?
CHERYL, ARUTT, CLINICAL AND FORENSICE PSYCHOLOGIST: It is shocking to hear the father talk about his daughter`s body as it. And it reflects a
disconnection, an incredible disconnection between the meaning and the loving connection that you would expect to see with a child.
And what has happened and when I look at this, I think where are the feelings? Where is the affect? It is shocking to see somebody so split off
from their feelings. And it may be that they are dehumanizing and so devalued this little girl that this really is just a problem to solve.
I mean, I was really struck by the father`s apology to the interrogators. I don`t know if you noticed, but he says, I didn`t realize there would be
such a big response, like his daughter`s being missing would matter so much.
I didn`t realize there were hundreds of people who would be out looking for her. And then he says, I`m so sorry. And it seems like he is so sorry that
he has inconvenienced so many other people for this issue with his daughter.
BANFIELD: Exactly. You know what? Cheryl, that`s exactly what I thought. He was apologizing to them for the trouble he caused them, not I`m so sorry,
you know, for what I have done to my baby. It just kind of defies everything.
I want to play also his 911 call, because now going back, this is the time in the story where we thought, you know, he`s respecting a missing child,
and we were a little surprised he wasn`t more apoplectic, you know, while his child was somehow missing. But knowing now, he is calling 911, having
placed her little body in a container and hidden it above the freezer. Have a listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): OK, what`s going on?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): I can`t find my daughter.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): OK, how old is she?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): Five. She just turned five.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): OK, you haven`t seen her in five hours?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): About, yes. I mean, she was there sleeping.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): Where was she sleeping at, in the restaurant?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): Yes, yes. She was sleeping there and I picked up my older daughter from school. We all saw her sleeping there. So
we went to work and, you know, we let her sleep. We got busy and then, after we got busy, we started cleaning up. And then, you know, we opened
the door and she is not here.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BANFIELD: Cheryl, the gross indifference -- and I`m trying to figure out if it`s gross indifference or if it`s something I think you mentioned before,
psychological mechanisms. Meaning, they just shut themselves off after the horrible thing they did and they are almost robots outside of their own
bodies.
Or if it`s just truly gross indifference for somebody, you know, who reported their child was difficult and this was how they are going to
resolve it.
ARUTT: It`s hard to know when we see a lot of abuse in a home where there is ongoing abuse. The family tends to organize around coping with and
surviving with that kind of environment and can sort of adapt to it in a way where it`s almost like the thinking and feeling gets split off and
disconnected from what`s actually going on, and you literally anesthetize yourself and cutoff anything that`s going on really in the chest.
If he were doing that and complicit in going along with something that his wife was doing, it is possible that the missing affect could be there, but
it seems so pervasive that it really makes me wonder what else, is there a history of trauma before this that caused this to be a way --
BANFIELD: Well, and there is. And there is. Because in the sentencing of Liang Zhao, the father, there is a case of child endangerment, but there
are two counts of it. One of them is for, you know, this incident and then there is one for a previous incident.
I want to bring in Pat Lalama. Pat, we really can`t get that audio reestablish since I got you on the phone, but at least we got you, and I
think it is important to talk to you because you watched the entire interrogation.
Please tell me there is something I am missing. Please tell me there is something I am missing.
PAT LALAMA, MANAGING EDITOR, CRIME WATCH DAILY (via telephone): I am waiting. I was so irritated by the audio issue because there is an
incredible back story to this that I think will give your mental health expert some really important insight.
This little girl, you know there is the 6-year-old girl. She is the love of their life. She`s never been hurt. Everything is beautiful. Then they had
Ashley. They immediately gave her up to his mother in China. They never saw her except for one time for four straight years.
They finally brought her back and it`s unknown why. When he was asked why did you send her to your mother in China, he said, oh, I`m busy with the
restaurant and it`s too much to deal with, right?
[18:35:00] So, she comes back from China when she is four. Within a month, the mother, who in my estimation and your expert can tell me if I`m wrong,
clearly has resentment and hate for this child, began beating the living hell out of her.
She says in the tape that at least four other occasions, she slammed the little girl`s head against the floor. When she got to their house, she
didn`t know her last name, she didn`t know if she was a boy or a girl.
I wish I was on camera so I could actually act it out. She stood very strangely with her hands hanging and one heel straight up. Somebody said
she had bruises from head to toe. This little girl never had a shot.
Now, he is trying to imply that something went wrong when the mother was staying there, but it`s a chicken or egg. I mean, was this child born with
disabilities, either emotional or developmental, and they didn`t want anything to do with her, or did she become abused and became emotionally
stunted?
It is so incredible, the level of abuse. And when they asked -- when the detectives asked him, what would you do when she was slamming her head
against the floor on those four occasions? He said, well, she would get done, walk out of the room, and then I would be left to take care of her.
So there you go. For me, these people are --
BANFIELD: Well, and you know, you don`t know either what is her life in China was. We don`t know what she went through there.
There is no feeling there. I`m over the top over this.
LALAMA (via telephone): There is no feeling there. I`m sorry, Ashleigh. I am just over the top over this.
BANFIELD: All right. Well, I have to leave it there. I`m sorry about the audio problems, but you did a heck of a job in getting the details out to
us, anyway. Pat Lalama. You can catch her on Crime Watch Daily with Chris Hansen. My appreciation not only to Pat but also to Cheryl Arutt.
Breaking news tonight in that house of horrors case in California. David and Louise Turpin now barred from any contact with any of those 13 children
of theirs for the next three years. They appeared in street clothes in court today and the hearing lasted a whopping four minutes.
They were nodding during the hearing after they were, you know, exposed to the details of the restraining orders. They were shackled to their chairs
at the wrists and at the ankles, just like they shackled some of their children, according to the allegations. Shackled them to their beds and
furniture.
Prosecutors actually had to fill out two protective orders per defendant. And that is because one protective order was not big enough to fit all the
names of the victims on it.
David and Louise Turpin are accused of torturing their children, holding them captive in their home in Perris, California. And the details as
prosecutors said are just a snapshot. So, we know right now it is just a snapshot and it is plenty.
There is outrage tonight after a daycare owner was caught on camera shaking and hitting a 4-year-old girl. That daycare owner has now heard her
sentence for what she is doing in this video. She has heard her sentence. And when you hear it, you may be astounded.
[18:40:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BANFIELD: In Omaha, Nebraska, there was once a place called Lynn`s Learning Center where parents could leave their kids in the hands of daycare worker
named Ms. Lynn, who came complete with a background check.
But now, Lynn`s Learning Center is no longer. It has been shut down because Ms. Lynn used a method of punishment on a little 4-year-old girl that in
this country, we call child abuse. Just ask the judge who has just put Ms. Lynn behind bars. And that child abuse was captured on camera by one of Ms.
Lynn`s fellow daycare employees.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Quit messing with your hair.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That hurts me!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good! I hope it hurts you! Do what you`re -- do what you`re told to do now.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
BANFIELD (voice over): That little girl`s parents say Ms. Lynn refused to admit any wrongdoing when they first confronted her, blaming their
daughter`s bad behavior instead. But now, Ms. Lynn changed her tune.
She was crying in court saying she is sorry and taking, quote, full responsibility for her actions. But she may not be serving a full prison
sentence because Nebraska law would allow her to get out early on what they call good time credit. As it stands, she is only facing two years of a
possible three-year sentence behind bars.
KELLY MEYERS, VICTIM`S MOTHER: I feel that she should be in an uncomfortable situation that she has no control over and spend her days and
nights thinking about what she did to all of those trusting, innocent children.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BANFIELD: Hunter Arterburn is with B103 News Channel Nebraska. Hunter, what did her defense attorney say? You know, in court for her to sort of plead
their case?
HUNTER ARTERBURN, OPERATIONS DIRECTOR, NEWS CHANNEL NEBRASKA: Really it came down to make it as --
[18:45:00] they wanted probation for her and they said she dedicated her life to children for 34 years. And then you watch this video. You got to
watch the video. You could listen to the audio and it`s just chilling enough. In fact, just listening to it and watching it again, the hair on
the back of my neck stood up. They were saying -- her defense was she has dedicated her to children for 34 years.
BANFIELD: So, the defense attorney asked for probation and the prosecutors asked for I think the max, which is three years and the judge fell at two.
But it`s likely she is only going to serve one, correct?
ARTERBURN: Yes, that`s the good time law you are just talking about. For those that don`t know exactly what that good time law is, it`s basically a
day of credit every day they spend behind bars and effectively cutting sentences in half.
So the good time law basically cuts it all in half and you were just talking about not only the prosecutors wanting the three years, so the
family too, the parents wanted the three years. She ended up with two, probably will only serve one though, look like.
BANFIELD: So, real quickly. I want to play Allen Meyers, the little girl`s father. He had something to say about the video being shown in court and
the fact that Ms. Lynn flinched when she was forced to watch herself doing what she was doing to the little girl. Have a look at Allen Meyers.
(START VIDEO CLIP)
ALLEN MEYERS, VICTIM`S FATHER: I was grateful that the video was shown in a sense to make her watch it. It`s a powerful message.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BANFIELD: Powerful message and often defendants will do, Lynn Rowe, addressed the judge at her sentencing. Here`s what she said.
(START VIDEO CLIP)
LYNN ROWE, FORMER DAY CARE OWNER: I take full responsibility. I`m sorry.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BANFIELD: That`s a lot of crying and obviously there has been a lot of crying on both sides of this case. Defense attorney Emily Compagno joins me
live now from Los Angeles. This is a tough one.
Somebody who spent 34 years in the service of children does this, this unconscionable act. It`s caught on video so it has a lot of (INAUDIBLE)
obviously, Emily, in the courtroom. But the sentence seems weird to me and I think to a lot of our viewers. Just a two-year sentence where she likely
serves one.
EMILY COMPAGNO, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: That`s part of the outrage of the parents have expresses here absolutely. They said that she should have been levied
the maximum penalty and that the good time law should not apply here.
But the larger issue in our criminal justice system is the fact that these maximum and minimums are set the way that they are. So for her charges, the
maximum was three years. Most importantly, due to overcrowding, that`s when this good law takes impact.
So, of course, it is standard procedure that defense will come with mitigating factors such as her lifetime of dedicated to children, et
cetera. But, when we see something like this caught on camera, how many other were there were not caught on camera?
So I think at this point moving forward, the change that we want to see is at the legislative level so that the maximum penalty levied for something
so horrific --
BANFIELD: Is a lot bigger.
COMPAGNO: Exactly.
BANFIELD: I can tell you this. On top of this, when Lynn Rowe gets out, she is going to be prevented from ever getting a license for having any kind of
child in her care again. My thanks very much, Emily. Stick with me, if you will. My thanks also to Hunter Arterburn.
An urgent search is underway tonight for a man whose mug shot, you might say is more like a money shot, but it`s no laughing matter.
[18:50:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BANFIELD: Tonight, Cincinnati police are asking for your help in the search for this guy. Michael Mann. And yes, that is a dollar sign tattooed over
his eye. He is 34 years old and he is wanted for aggravated burglary and domestic violence.
Police say he broke into a woman`s apartment by climbing through an unlocked window and then choked and slapped her several times. They also
say he has got a documented history of domestic violence and aggravated robberies and drug arrests on his rap sheet. And hopefully he won`t be too
hard to find.
It kind of reminded us of a couple of other guys who have come across our radar. Let me start with Corey Hughes. Unmistakable, a skull tattoo right
across his face. He escaped on November 27th and caught again on December 21st. He has been serving time on a weapons charge.
And there was Robert Charles Wooten who put his social security number right across his forehead. Several aggravated robberies he is wanted for.
And Christopher Wilson, who for whatever reason decided to tattoo, I`m a porn star and I blank teen sluts on his forehead. Arrested for -- what do
you? Allegedly groping a female.
Lawrence Sullivan tattooed the joker all over his face. He allegedly was pointing a gun at passing cars in Florida and possession of marijuana.
So, real quickly, Emily Compagno, if these are your clients, what do you advise them?
COMPAGNO: If these were really my clients, I would advise them to turn themselves in, but this is when community galvanizing is so crucial. This
is when social media is so crucial. Obviously, that tattoo on the can is so clearly recognizable. It`s up to the community right now to call police
immediately.
BANFIELD: I would say don`t do it. That`s it. I would just say don`t do it.
(LAUGHTER)
BANFIELD: Got to go. Hold it. Stay right there. Stay right there. Straight ahead, we are going to show you all the money in the world or sure like
that on an Illinois interstate.
[18:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BANFIELD: One more thing for you tonight. You know that song, it`s raining men? It was raining 10s and 20s and a whole lot more when a car that was
packed with
[19:00:00] cash crashed, and all that money went flying into the freeway. This happened in Illinois. The police say apparently a driver was going a
little too fast and then lost control and then hit a guardrail and slammed into another another car. And then you know what happened? All that stuff
went flying. You are probably wondering where the money was from. It was a video gambling machine. And it took the state troopers and all their brooms
and their honesty. It took them about an hour to get all those bills picked up and cleaned up before anybody else could get in.
Next hour of CRIME AND JUSTICE starts right now.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It is a chilling 911 call even the dispatcher can`t believe.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I stabbed myself and killed my two children.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You stabbed yourself and killed your two children?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But she said she had her reasons.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My husband wanted a divorce and wanted to take my kids. I didn`t want him to have my kids.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But now she has two murder convictions.
Thirteen kids rescued from the home where police say their own parents held them captive.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Using chains and padlocks.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The children were when they were not chained up locked in different rooms. The parents would apparently buy food for themselves
and not allow the children to eat it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now it turns out the parents were about to skip town and take the kids with them. The effort now to keep the parents as far away
from those children as possible.
She confessed to killing their 5-year-old daughter, but now the dad is weighing in.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My wife got angry and hit her head on the carpet.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How they hid her body in their own family restaurant?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You guys actually cooked and served meals while your daughter was laying there?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And how they tricked her sister to think the dead child was just sleeping.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The plan was (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And the pile of lies they told the police.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I can`t find my daughter.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Parents put their trust and their children in her hands. But what she did with those hands, now she is paying the piper,
pleading guilty to child abuse.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a powerful message.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But the sentence is two years. Not enough for the little victim`s mom.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In an uncomfortable situation that she has no control over and spent her days and nights thinking about what she did.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
BANFIELD: Good evening, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. And welcome to the second hour of CRIME AND JUSTICE.
Well tonight, the laser focus falls on the small town of Darlington, Indiana. A town so small blink and you will miss it. At last count, just
over 800 people live in Darlington. Pretty much everybody knows everybody. It is a place where news of any kind travels fast. So you can imagine the
talk of the town after Brandy Worley called 911 on a Thursday morning. She had just knifed her own two children to death and for some unknown reason,
she was spilling every single detail to a stunned 911 operator who it`s fair to say had likely never had a call like this.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Montgomery County 911. Where is your emergency? What`s going on there?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just stabbed myself and killed my two children.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You stabbed yourself and killed your two children?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s your name?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Brandy Worley.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Brandy what?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Worley.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. How do you spell your last night?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: W.O.R.L.E.Y.?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And where are the children at?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In my daughter`s room on the floor.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In your daughter`s room on the floor? OK. What caused you to do this today?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My husband wanted a divorce and wanted to take my kids. I won`t let him have my kids.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. How old are the children?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Seven and three.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ten and three.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Seven.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Seven and three?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Where did you stab yourself at?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In the neck.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Are you bleeding?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, there is blood everywhere.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And where are you at?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In my living room.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You are in the living room?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you armed now with the knife still?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, it`s in my children`s room.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where is your husband at?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Downstairs somewhere.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. What`s his condition?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know. I haven`t talked to him.
[19:05:02] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And when you say downstairs, is he in a basement?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And do you have other weapons with you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No? OK. What are you feeling right now?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m tired. I took a lot of Benadryl.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You took a lot of Benadryl?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Is there anyone else in the residence besides your children and you and your husband?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I called my mom.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You called your mom. What did she say?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That I have to call 911. I have to go.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have to go?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I`m tired.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Well, why don`t you stay talking with me for a minute so we can get help to you because I don`t want something to happen
to you, OK? Can you keep talking to me for just a little bit?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you wanting to speak to an officer when they get there? Are you too tired to talk to them?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I figured I`m going to be arrested after I talk to them.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. You are not going to try to harm them or cause any problems there, are you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, I`m just laying down.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just laying down. OK.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They can come get me. I`m OK.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
BANFIELD: We know tonight that 7-year-old Tyler was passionate about sports and that 3-year-old Charlie loved story time at the local library. These
are experiences they will never have again because their mother could not handle it when their dad wanted a divorce.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Darlington is a wonderful, wonderful town and for something like this to happen is just, I mean, is very unusual.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s such a shock. It`s awful. Brandy had a lot of friends in the community and everyone is just reeling because it`s so
unexpected.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BANFIELD: So what we have here is a circumstance that is unlike many others because typically when we have a murder, you don`t have the suspect opening
up right off the bat. And you don`t have a 911 operator who has to do some mental gymnastics because in a small town like that, that doesn`t happen.
And there is no amount of training that can get you up to speed on that.
I want to get to some of the details with our producer who has been working on the story.
First and foremost, there are two children dead and there is a dispatcher desperate - what is this home like? How long would it take for police to
actually get there such that this dispatcher was clawing for reasons to keep Brandy Worley on the phone?
KYLE PELTZ, CRIME & JUSTICE PRODUCER (on the phone): That`s right, Ashleigh. You heard the 911 call. And this dispatcher, he almost seems to
be buying time at some parts of the call. He is almost struggling to come up with questions. He keep asking here. I mean, this is a very rural area.
You said it, you know, a town of 800. Listening to the 911 call, it didn`t sound like first responders got there until at least 10 minutes after she
called. Maybe more than that.
BANFIELD: When they did get there, I mean, clearly one of the first things they would ask her is what happened. What was her response, Kyle?
PELTZ: She told them. She said I stabbed my kids. And you know, she alluded again to the divorce that her husband filed for divorce and I won`t let him
have my kids.
BANFIELD: I don`t want my husband to take the kids so I`m going to kill them. Effectively, that`s what she is saying. If I can`t have them, he
can`t have them. No one can have them.
PELTZ: Exactly.
BANFIELD: So the next thing why would she stab herself in I guess the throat? I can see the band aid in her mag shot, but clearly, superficially
because she was able to talk, it didn`t seem to be any blood gurgling. It didn`t seem that she was anything other than a little tired.
PELTZ: Yes. She stabbed herself. And she said it in the 911 call as well. They ask her you stabbed yourself and she said yes and there is blood
everywhere.
BANFIELD: Just quote is I`m wondering if this is police paraphrasing or her saying "I just wanted to die with them."
PELTZ: That`s her.
BANFIELD: That`s her.
Do they know that the 911 operator? Does anyone know how he was able to stay so calm and resourceful in trying to keep her on the phone?
PELTZ: No. And like you said you can assume he is probably never had to deal with something like this before.
BANFIELD: Darlington, Indiana, where is it? Near Indianapolis?
PELTZ: About an hour outside of Indianapolis.
BANFIELD: So probably would take first responders quite some time to get to this location. Not with standing they have to assess the situation. You
don`t just walk into an environment like that because there is very risk to them as well, I`m imagining.
[19:10:00] PELTZ: Right. And this 911 operator, I mean, he stayed on the phone with her and another member of the family for at least 16 or 17
minutes straight.
BANFIELD: Well I -- that`s one of the elements of this that may be even more sort of blood curdling. It`s just horrifying to hear the next bit of
tape that you are going to hear because the night that all of this happened, Brandy`s husband, Jason, the father of those two kids was
actually asleep in the basement of the house. And it was not the sounds of the children screaming that woke him up. It was the sound of his mother-in-
law screaming.
His mother-in-law was the first person brandy called, that`s her mom. The first person Bandy called after this horrifying incident was her mom to say
that she had killed her children.
The second call that Brandy made was to 911. And after confessing what she had done to the operator, she then handed the phone to her mom.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You are her mother?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I JUST --oh, my God. I just got here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Is what she is saying true? Have you found the children?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. They say that -- she said that they are --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My daughter is bleeding.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, ma`am. I understand. You have to calm down so I can understand you. We have police en route. Your daughter said the children
are in the bedroom on the floor. Can you locate them for me?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you located the children?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes! Yes! Oh, my God.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
BANFIELD: The children`s father joins me now on the phone, Jason Worley.
Jason, what you went through in coping with the aftermath of all of this, I can only imagine in a sense that you must be somewhat relieved that it was
the aftermath you went through instead of what your mother-in-law went through. But I honestly can`t imagine being in your shoes. Can you help me
get my head around what your family has gone through?
JASON WORLEY, VICTIMS` FATHER (on the phone): We all loved Tyler and Charlie very dearly. And losing them has been absolutely devastating for
all of us. You said it earlier, you know. Tyler loved sports, you know. It`s hard to go through a summer day without taking him to a baseball field
or a - just, you know, not being able to take Charlie to dance ever again or to story time at the library. So many things that just light up our day
on a regular basis having those children around that just is gone now.
BANFIELD: Have you had any chance or any willingness to speak with Brandy about what she did?
WORLEY: I mean, if she was willing to do what she did just out of spite, I can only imagine the sheer hatred that would come out of her mouth if I
attempted to talk to her. So no, I have no interest in ever speaking to her again.
BANFIELD: You didn`t want answers and look her straight in the face and say how, how could you do this to your own children?
WORLEY: She is a very manipulative person in the best of situations. I can only imagine she would only say what she wanted to say if I ever did
confront her.
BANFIELD: Can you take me to that day in November? It`s barely a year ago, I mean, honestly. Just beyond a year ago where you awoke to the streams
from Brandy`s mother and emerged from the basement. Can you walk me through what happened next?
WORLEY: Yes. There were already officers in the home at the time. And I honestly don`t know why. But I refuse to leave the kitchen. And I could see
through the kitchen door to her sitting on the living room couch and I asked her what was going on. She just said back to me, now you can`t take
my children from me.
If she had read the filings, she would have known I was not asking for custody of the children. I was just asking the court to help us come to a
decision, if her and I could not. So it was never an attempt to take her children from me - for her. It was, you know, I didn`t want to take them
from her any more than I wanted her to take them from me.
[19:15:02] BANFIELD: So you were in the kitchen and you could see her. You could see officers. Could you see anything else?
WORLEY: Rosemary, her mother was there as well. Shortly after I got upstairs, an officer had taken her outside trying to get her to breathe and
to calm down. And they were worried about her health at that point.
BANFIELD: But someone had to have been looking out for you. I mean, were you warned not to go to that bedroom? Did you end up going to the bedroom
and how did the officers handle you as you emerged from the basement?
WORLEY: I was stopped, but I was not informed as to what was going on really at all. It wasn`t until they asked me to go and wait in the driveway
that I had heard there were two deceased kids in the house over one of the walky talkies over one of the officers. At the end of the 911 call, you can
actually hear me find out and break down.
BANFIELD: And by this point, you were in the driveway, Jason?
WORLEY: That`s correct.
BANFIELD: What was your next move? What went through your mind? How did you manage this?
WORLEY: I just hit the ground. There was no managing this. There is just pain. I mean, those two kids were my entire life.
BANFIELD: Was there anything about Brandy, you know, just prior to the divorce action that would give you an inkling that she had this kind of
violence in her?
WORLEY: No. Not at all. I mean, when we discussed divorce prior, she had said that she would make sure I wouldn`t see my kids again, but I always
thought it was through legal action and never something like this.
BANFIELD: And had she ever been violent with the children at all before this?
WORLEY: Never. Never. No. Those kids were very well cared for and loved. There was never any sign this was even possible.
BANFIELD: You have mentioned you have gone on social media and you know that can be a remarkable outlet, a cathartic outlet for people who have
been victimized so incredibly brutally and you are part of that. Your children, the ultimate victims and you are swept up in that as well. The
domino effect can be so overwhelming. And I just want to read for our viewers some of your comments and social media afterwards.
And this comment in particular I think you are referring to going back to your house the first time. For the very first time going back to your home
where this happened to get your things. And this is what you write.
I don`t know if it`s all in my head or not. But I swear I could smell blood when I went into Charlie`s room. It was heart wrenching to be hastily
grabbing the remnants of my life and throwing them my in the back of a van. I just couldn`t be in the house any longer.
And then you also, you know, wrote something quite profound about - I think it speaks a lot to the victim`s guilt perhaps you might have been feeling
because you questioned your choice of where you slept that night and if everything could have been different.
You wrote, I can`t help but wonder that if I had slept on the couch like she had suggested instead of an air mattress in the basement the maybe I
could have saved my children or at the very least died with them.
And I`m just wondering if, Jason, and maybe it`s better to ask the man who is with you. Because Robert Reimondo is your attorney and has spent time
with you.
And Robert, since you are with Jason, maybe you can weigh in on whether, you know, Jason is getting the help that he needs. Because that is
extraordinary to be coping with this kind of aftermath. And it takes a village.
ROBERT REIMONDO, DIVORCE ATTORNEY FOR VICTIMS` DAD (on the phone): Yes, Ashleigh. We, of course, we immediately talked to Jason about getting
counseling. But like you said, you know, it`s such a devastating thing that it`s really unprecedented how do you move on from something like this. And
I have been practicing law for over 20 years. And I have seen a lot and my staff has seen a lot, but nothing compared to this credible act of
selfishness that Brandy Worley displayed that night.
She clearly was not thinking about the children`s lives. She was thinking about her own interests. And you know, going to the funeral, Ashleigh, and
seeing those two little caskets was devastating to my staff. It was devastating to me. It was devastating to our whole community frankly.
[19:20:00] BANFIELD: I can`t imagine what anybody is going through. And I think our viewers are feeling it as well seeing these pictures and knowing
what the future was going to be for those two children.
I want to thank you, Jason Worley. Robert Reimondo, thank you. I also want to thank Kyle Peltz for helping us report through this.
Just quickly, these two children, let`s remember their names. Charlie Worley is three years old. Tyler Worley is seven years old. In happier
times, those are the people that need to be remembered.
Tonight also some shocking new details about how the parents of a 5-year- old little girl hid her in a restaurant that they owned while still serving their customers.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
[19:25:19] BANFIELD: At first they said they lost her. A Chinese couple in North Canton, Ohio managing the dinner rush in their restaurant with their
5-year-old apparently sleeping, taking a nap in the back until they said that 5-year-old disappeared. Maybe wandering out the backdoor of the
restaurant.
It didn`t take police long to find little Ashley Chao. At least they found her body. Little Ashley`s body was hidden in a crawlspace above the
restaurant`s walk in cooler. They brought in Ashley`s mom for questioning. And at first she said she didn`t know how Ashley died. And then her story
changed and she admitted in a cold and callus manner that she had killed her little 5-year-old, but she couldn`t explain how her husband had taken
care of the body.
So that husband was up next, little Ashley`s dad, in the interrogation chair. And he told police everything including how his wife had first
killed Ashley in their home and how they together had brought that little body to the restaurant. And then he admitted what he did with that little
body instead of calling 911. This is what he told the police and it is courtesy of "Crime Watch Daily."
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) and hit her head on the carpet two times. And initially she was breathing. Her heart stopped beating so I started
panicking and I did CPR on her and that`s when we realized she was gone.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You take Ashley to the restaurant. How did you get Ashley from the apartment to the restaurant?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Put her in the car seat.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Carried her out to the car?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Your daughter, did you carry her in?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They saw me. There`s two guys on the roof working on the roof or something like that. And we got her inside and just we laid her
down and we just continued our work. The plan was to put Jojo could see her there in to that, find that she is there. Then I would hide her up in the
walk-in freezer and then we call the police at night. Jojo looked at there and find that she was there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You guys, actually cooked and served meals while your daughter was laying there?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And went on with business as usual?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
BANFIELD: The father told the police that they convinced their other little daughter that there had been some kind of a noise at the backdoor.
Apparently a scheme so that Ashley`s sister would tell the police maybe she heard maybe little Ashley leave the restaurant when in reality Ashley was
there the whole time, dead in a container.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Then what happened?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And then I moved her, you know, to the walk-in freezer. And put her in that plastic container so that she wouldn`t stink.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What kind of container?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Like a -- those plastic containers for restaurants. And that`s when we were going to call the police. We were hoping that the
police would come here and we didn`t expect this. We didn`t know the procedure exactly what`s going on, you know. We didn`t know that I was
going to come down here and take a polygraph and ask so much questions. There would be so many people involved. If we knew that there was going to
be liked 100 people searching or maybe even more. I am so sorry.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What were your plans to do after they quit looking for. What were you going to do?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don`t really know. There was three things. Burn it, bury it, or throw it in the ocean.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
BANFIELD: If you were in disbelief, I am, too. The mom who gave her interrogation information had the flat affect as well. Admitting that she
had, you know, admitting that her child was difficult and that she had hit her in the head and that`s how little Ashley Chao died. And Ming-Ming is
facing 22 years behind bars for this. Her husband, Lian, is getting 12 years for this.
I want to bring in clinical and forensic psychologist, Cheryl Eric (ph). She joins me from Los Angeles.
Maybe, Cheryl, while we are getting pat to come back and you can just help me get through this sort of disbelief the way a father would refer to his
own child as an it, particularly the body of his own child as an it. How`s that happened?
CHERYL ARUTT, CLINICAL AND FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: It is shocking to hear the father talk about his daughter`s body as it. And it reflects a
disconnection, an incredible disconnection between the meaning and the loving connection that you would expect to see with a child and what has
happened. And when I look at this, I think where are the feelings? Where is the affect? It is shocking to see somebody so split off from their
feelings. And it may be that they are dehumanizing and have so devalued this little girl that this really is just a problem to solve. I mean, I was
really struck by the father`s apology to the interrogators. I don`t know if you noticed, but he says I didn`t realize there would be such a big
response like his daughter`s being missing would matter so much. I didn`t realize they are hundreds of people who would be out looking for her, and
then he says I`m so sorry. And it seems like he`s so sorry that he`s inconvenienced so many other people for this issue with his daughter.
BANFIELD: That`s exactly -- you know what? Gosh, Cheryl. That`s exactly what I thought. That he was apologizing to them for the trouble he`s caused
them, not I`m so sorry, you know, for what I`ve done to my baby. It just, kind of, defies everything. I want to play also his 911 call because now,
going back, this is the time in the story where we thought, you know, he`s reporting a missing child and we were a little surprised he wasn`t more
apoplectic, you know, while his child was somehow missing. But knowing now, he`s calling 911, having placed her little body in a container and hidden
it above the freezer. Have a listen.
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DISPATCHER: OK, what`s going on?
LIANG ZHAO, FATHER OF ASHLEY: I can`t find my daughter.
DISPATCHER: OK, how old is she?
ZHAO: Five. She just turned five.
DISPATCHER: OK, and you haven`t seen her in five hours?
ZHAO: About, yes. I mean, she was there sleeping.
DISPATCHER: Where was she sleeping at, in the restaurant?
ZHAO: Yes, yes. She was sleeping there and I picked up my older daughter from school. We all saw her sleeping there. So -- and, you know, we went to
work and, you know, we let her sleep. And we got busy and then after we got busy, we started cleaning up and then, you know, we opened the door, and
she`s not here.
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BANFIELD: Cheryl, the gross indifference, and I`m trying to figure out if it`s gross indifference or if it`s something I think you`ve mentioned
before, psychological mechanisms. Meaning, they just shut themselves off after the horrible thing they did and they`re almost robots outside their
own bodies, or if this is just truly is gross indifference of somebody, you know, who reported their child is difficult and this was how they were
going to resolve it.
ARUTT: It`s hard to know when we see a lot of abuse in a home where there`s ongoing abuse, the family tends to organize around coping with and
surviving with that kind of environment and can, sort of, adapt to it in a way where it`s almost like the thinking and feeling gets split off and
disconnected from what`s actually going on. And you literally anesthetize yourself and cut off anything that`s going on really in the -- in the
chest. If he were doing that and complicit and going along with something that his wife was doing, it is possible that the missing affect could be
there. But it seems so pervasive that it really makes me wonder what else. Is there a history of trauma before this that caused this to be a way of
approaching the world.
BANFIELD: Well, and there is. And there is because in the sentencing of Liang Zhao, the father, there is a case of child endangerment but there`s
two counts of it. One of them is for, you know, this incident and then there`s one for a previous incident. And I want to bring in Pat LaLama. I
think it`s important to talk to you because you watch the entire interrogation. Please tell me there`s something I`m missing. Please tell me
there`s something I`m missing.
PAT LALAMA, MANAGING EDITOR, CRIME WATCH DAILY: Well, that (INAUDIBLE) I`ve been waiting. I was so irritated by the audio issues because there is --
there`s an incredible back story to this that I think will give your mental health expert some really important insights. This little girl, OK, now,
you know, there`s the 6-year-old girl, JoJo. OK? She is the love of their lives. She`s never been hurt. Everything is beautiful. Then they had
Ashley, they immediately gave her up to his mother in China. They never saw her except for one time for four straight years. They finally brought her
back and it`s unknown why. And when he was asked why did you send her to your mother in China, he said, oh, I`m busy with the restaurant, it was too
much to deal with, right? So, she comes back from China when she`s 4.
Within a month, the mother, who, in my estimation and your expert can tell me if I`m wrong, clearly had resentment and hate for this child, began
beating the living hell out of her. She said in the tape that at least four other occasions, she slammed the little girl`s head against the floor. That
when she got to their house, she didn`t know her last name, she didn`t know if she was a boy or a girl, she -- I wish I could -- I wish I was on camera
so I could actually act this out for you. She stood very strangely with her hands hanging and one heel straight up. And there were so many calls that
she had bruises from head to toe. This little girl never had a shot.
Now, he`s trying to imply that something went wrong when the mother was staying there. But it`s the chicken or egg. I mean, was this child born
with disabilities either emotional or developmental and they don`t want anything to do with her, or did she become abused and became emotionally
stunted? And --
BANFIELD: Right. And, of course, Pat, you know --
LALAMA: -- it`s so incredible, the level of abuse. And when they asked -- when the detectives asked him, well, what would you do when she was
slamming her head against the floor on those four occasions? Then, he said, well, she would get done and walk out of the room and then, I would be left
to take care of her. So, there you go. Tell me that this is not -- these people are so -- (INAUDIBLE)
BANFIELD: And you don`t -- you don`t know either what this life in China was. You don`t know what she went through there.
LALAMA: There`s no feeling there. I`m sorry, Ashleigh. I`m just over the top over this.
BANFIELD: All right. Well, I have to leave it there. And I`m sorry about the audio problems but you did a heck of a job in getting the details out
to us anyway. Pat LaLama, you can catch her on "Crime Watch Daily" with Chris Hansen. My appreciation are not only to Pat but also to Cheryl Arutt.
Breaking news tonight, in that house of horrors case in California. David and Louise Turpin now barred from any contact with any of those 13 children
of theirs for the next three years. They appeared in street clothes in court today and the hearing lasted a whopping four minutes. They were
nodding during the hearing after they were, you know, exposed to the details of the restraining orders. They were shackled to their chairs at
the wrist and at the ankles just like they shackled some of their children according to the allegations. Shackled them to their beds and furniture.
Prosecutors, actually, had to fill out two protective orders per defendant. And that`s because one protective order wasn`t big enough to fit all the
names of the victims on it. David and Louise Turpin are accused of torturing their children, holding them captive in their home in Perris,
California. And the details, as the prosecutor said, is just a snapshot. That`s all we know right now. It`s just a snapshot and it`s plenty.
There is outrage tonight after a daycare owner was caught on camera shaking and hitting a 4-year-old girl. That daycare owner has now heard her
sentence for what she`s doing in this video. She`s heard her sentence and when you hear it, you may be offended.
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BANFIELD: In Omaha, Nebraska, there was once a place called Lynn`s Learning Center where parents could leave their kids in the hands of daycare worker
named Ms. Lynn, who came complete with a background check. But now, Lynn`s Learning Center is no longer, it`s been shut down because Ms. Lynn used a
method of punishment on a little 4-year-old girl that in this country we call child abuse. Just ask the judge who just put Ms. Lynn behind bars, and
that child abuse was captured on camera by one of Ms. Lynn`s fellow daycare employees.
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LYNN ROWE, DAYCARE WORKER: (INAUDIBLE) quit messing with your hair.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) oh, that hurts me!
ROWE: Good. I hope it hurts you! Do what you`re -- do what you`re told to do now.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
ROWE: Now!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BANFIELD: That little girl`s parents say Ms. Lynn refused to admit any wrongdoing when they first confronted her, blaming their daughter`s bad
behavior instead, but now Ms. Lynn has changed her tune. She was crying in court, saying she`s sorry and taking, quote, full responsibility for her
actions. But she might not be serving a full prison sentence because Nebraska law will allow her to get out early on what they called "good time
credit." And as it stands, she`s only facing two years of a possible three- year sentence behind bars.
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KELLEY MEYERS, VICTIM`S MOTHER: I feel that she should be in an uncomfortable situation that she has no control over and spend her days and
nights thinking about what she did to all these trusting, innocent children.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BANFIELD: Hunter Arterburn is with B103 News channel in Nebraska. Hunter, what did her defense attorney say, you know, in court for her to sort of
plead their case?
HUNTER ARTERBURN, DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS, B103 NEWS: Really, it came down to making is they wanted probation for Rowe and they said because she
dedicated her life to children for 34 years and then you watch this video, you don`t even have to watch the video. You can just listen to the audio,
and it`s just chilling enough. In fact, just listening to it again, watching it again, my -- the hair on the back of my neck stood up again,
but that`s what they were fighting for. They were -- they were saying her main defense was she dedicated her life to children for 34 years.
BANFIELD: So, they -- the defense attorney asked for probation and the prosecutors asked for, I think, the max, which is three years and the judge
fell it at two. But it`s likely she`s only going to serve one, correct?
ARTERBURN: Yes, and that`s that Good Time Law you were just talking about, Megyn. And for those that don`t know exactly what that Good Time Law is,
it`s basically a day of credit every day they spend behind bars and effectively cutting sentences in half. So, the Good Time Law, it basically
cuts it all in half and you were just talking about not only the prosecutors want the three years, so did the family, too. The parents
wanted the three years. She ended up with two, probably only going to serve one, though, it looks like.
BANFIELD: So, real quickly, I want to play Alan Meyers, that`s the little girl`s father, he had something to say about the video being shown in court
and the fact that Lynn Rowe, Ms. Lynn flinched when she was forced to watch herself doing what she was doing to the little girl. Have a look at Alan
Meyers.
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ALAN MEYERS, VICTIM`S FATHER: I was grateful that the video was shown in a sense that makes her watch it, it`s a powerful message.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BANFIELD: It`s a powerful message, and as often, defendants will do, Lynn Rowe addressed the judge at her sentencing. Here`s what she said.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ROWE: I take full responsibility and I`m sorry.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BANFIELD: That`s a lot of crying and obviously, there has been a lot of crying on both sides of this case. Defense Attorney Emily Compagno joins me
live now from Los Angeles. So, this is a tough one, somebody who spent 34 years in the service of children; does this, this unconscionable act. It`s
caught on video, so it has a lot of umph, obviously, Emily, in a courtroom, but the sentence seems weird to me, and I think to a lot of our viewers.
Just a, you know, a two-year sentence where she`ll likely serve one.
EMILY COMPAGNO, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: That`s part of the outrage that the parents have expressed here, absolutely. They say that she should have been
levied the maximum penalty. And that the Good Time Law should not apply here. But the larger issue in our criminal justice system is the fact that
these maximum and minimums are set the way that they are. So, for her charges, the maximum was three years. Now, most importantly, due to
overcrowding, that`s when this Good Law takes impact. So, of course, it`s standard that defense will come with mitigating factors such as her
lifetime of dedication to children, et cetera. But when we see something like this caught on camera, how many other were there that we`re caught on
camera. So, I think at this point moving forward, the change that we want to see is that the legislative level so that the maximum penally levied for
something so horrific is a --
BANFIELD: Is a lot bigger. Yes, no, I hear you.
COMPAGNO: Exactly. Exactly.
BANFIELD: Well, I can tell you this, on top of this, when Lynn Rowe gets out, she is going to be prevented from ever getting a license or having any
kind of child in her care again. Thanks very much, Emily. Stick with me if you will. My thanks also to Hunter Arterburn.
An urgent search is underway tonight for a man whose mug shots you might say is more like a money shot, but it`s no laughing matter.
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[19:52:44] BANFIELD: Tonight, Cincinnati Police are asking for your help in the search for this guy, Michael Mann. And, yes, that is a dollar sign
tattooed over his eye. He`s 34 years old and he`s wanted for aggravated burglary and domestic violence. Police say he broke into a woman`s
apartment by climbing through an unlocked window and then choked and slapped her several times. They also say he`s got a documented history of
domestic violence and aggravated robberies and drug arrests on his rap sheet, and hopefully, he won`t be too hard to find.
And it kind of reminded us with a couple of other guys who`ve come across our radar. Let me start with Corey Hughes, unmistakable, a skull tattoo
right across his face. He escaped on November 22nd -- 27th, was caught again on December 21st. He`d been serving time on a weapons charge. And
there was Robert Charles Wootton who put his social security number right across his forehead, several aggravated robberies he`s wanted for. Then
Christopher Wilson who for whatever reason decided to tattoo, "I`m a porn star and I blank teen sluts" on his forehead, arrested for, what do you
know, allegedly groping a female. Lawrence Sullivan tattooed the joker all over his face. He allegedly was pointing a gun at passing cars in Florida
and possession of marijuana.
So, real quickly, Emily Campagno, if these are your clients, what do you advise them?
COMPAGNO: Oh, gosh, if these were really my clients, I would advise them to turn themselves in. But this is when community galvanizing is so crucial.
This is when social media is so crucial. Obviously, that tattoo on the can is so clearly recognizable. It`s up to the community right now to call
police immediately.
BANFIELD: You know what I`d advise them, I`d say don`t do it. That`s it. I would say just don`t do it. Got to go. Hold it. Stay right there. Stay
right there. Straight ahead, we`re going to show you all the money in the world or it sure looked like that on an Illinois interstate.
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BANFIELD: One more thing for you tonight, you know that old song, "It`s Raining Men," well, it was raining 10s and 20s and more when a car packed
with cash crashed and all that money just went flying. This happened in Illinois. Bummer you weren`t there. The police say that the driver was
going too fast and lost control and hit a guardrail and then slammed into another car. The money, because I know you`re wondering where it came from,
was from a video gambling machine. And it took state troopers about an hour to get it all cleaned up. And there is no word on whether they actually got
it all. But we think they probably did. Thanks for watching, everybody. We`ll see you right back here tomorrow night 6:00 Eastern for CRIME &
JUSTICE. "FORENSIC FILES" begins right now.
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