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North Korea Diplomacy; The Trump Presidency; Russia Mall Fire; Holocaust Survivor Killed. Slain Officer Honored; Cheating May Have Swayed Brexit Poll; Egypt Votes; U.S. Police Shootings; North Korean Kim Jong-un Makes Surprise Visit To China; NATO Punishing Russia Over U.K. Poison Attack; Turnbull, Cricket Cheating Scandal Is A Disgrace; Pakistan Has Its First Transgender News Anchor; China's Space Lab Returning To Earth. Aired 3-4a ET

Aired March 28, 2018 - 03:00   ET

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[03:00:00] ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN HOST: And a historic moment in Pakistan as the country's first transgender news anchor makes her on- air debut.

Hello and welcome to our viewers joining us from all around the world. I'm Rosemary Church and this is "CNN Newsroom."

Kim Jong-un is on his way back to North Korea aboard his special armored train after what wasn't until just hours ago a secret trip to his closest ally China. Now during his four-day visit, the North Korean leader held talks with Chinese President Xi Jinping and attended a banquet dinner.

According to Chinese state media, Kim affirmed his commitment to denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. This comes just weeks before he is due to hold talks with South Korean President Moon Jae-in and then possibly U.S. President Donald Trump.

CNN's Andrew Stevens joins us now from Beijing with more on this. Good to see you, Andrew. So China says Kim Jong-un is committed to denuclearization. That is not what he has said in the past. Just how significant is that and what all was achieved in this meeting?

ANDREW STEVENS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It was a significant meeting, full stop, Rosemary. It is important that Kim has been quoted by Xinhua, which is the China state news agency, as saying that he is committed to denuclearization because if you look back at what we know so far about the North Korean position, it's all being reported -- reported by the South Koreans in conversation with the North.

The North has maintained a regular silence on what Kim is actually saying himself. So now we have Kim very clearly saying to the president of China, his most important ally, that he is committed to denuclearization. Now, it's -- what form that takes is a whole another question.

I just want to read you one of the quotes that was used that Kim did say to Xi Jinping. This is the issue of denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula can be resolved if South Korea and the United States respond to our efforts with goodwill, creating an atmosphere of peace and stability while taking progressive and synchronous measures for the realization of peace.

Now this progressive and synchronous measures, what does that mean? It looks like it's a step to step approach. I will take one action, America, you will take another. What they are? That's going to be what negotiations are all about. And for those negotiations to be a total success, at least in Kim's eyes, it seems that he needs China in his corner.

This is what this meeting was all about, Rosemary. It was a reset, if you like, because relation between China and North Korea as we all know had been pretty chilly really since Kim first took power in 2011.

CHURCH: Yes, we do know that. And of course, we know that President Xi Jinping invited Kim Jong-un to Beijing. So, was this more about China not wanting to be sidelined ahead of Kim's meetings with leaders of South Korea and possibly the United States or was it about boosting the leadership of Kim Jong-un and sort of hitting the reset button?

STEVENS: I think it was both. I think China was surprised and slightly concerned by the fact that the diplomacy move so quickly, that there was a summit announced with South and North Korea and then a summit planned with Donald Trump and China was not part of that process because they were speaking to the North Koreans or the North Koreans were speaking to them as far as we know.

So there was that concern from China. They want to be at the top table. The future of the Korean Peninsula is important to them. They want North Korea to continue as a buffer to U.S. interest on the Korean Peninsula. They want a stable North Korea. They want a denuclearized North Korea.

On Kim Jong-un's side of things, you know, if you think about it, one of the reasons that Kim Jong-un has come to the negotiating table, according to many, many analysts now, it is a common view, is that the international sanctions that are being applied by the international beauty and enforced by China to a degree that they are really hurting the North Korean economy.

Kim obviously wants some relief from that pressure. Whether he's going to see any release until he makes concrete steps on denuclearization remains to be seen. But at least by coming to China, reestablishing that relationship between these two countries, this relationship does go back to the 1940s when North Korea was founded, so reestablishing that at least gives him a partner, if you like, in these negotiations.

Whether that partner is prepared to go as far as Kim Jong-un would want them to go in releasing sanctions remains to be seen.

[03:04:58] China certainly hasn't given any indication yet, Rosemary, but it is prepared to ease any of those sanctions.

CHURCH: Right. Andrew Stevens, covering those fast-moving developments from Beijing there where it is just after 3:00 in the afternoon. Many thanks to you. The most recent high-level visit was in 2011. That's when Kim Jon-un's father, Kim Jong-il, met Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao in Beijing. In 2010, Kim Jong-il made an official visit to China and met with then President Hu Jintao.

In 2008, then Chinese Vice President Xi Jinping made an official visit to Pyongyang where he met with the late North Korean leader. And in 2000, Kim Jong-il visited Beijing where he met with then Chinese President Jiang Zemin. Hope you got all of that.

NATO is expelling seven Russian diplomats and denying the applications of three others over the nerve agent attack in the United Kingdom. It is also cutting the size of Russia's mission to the alliance.

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JENS STOLTENBERG, SECRETARY GENERAL, NATO: This sends a clear message to Russia that there are costs and consequences for its unacceptable and dangerous pattern of behavior.

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CHURCH: NATO joins a growing list of countries that are punishing Russia by expelling diplomats. All this as Moscow denied any involvement in the poison attack.

CNN's Melissa Bell joins me now from London. Melissa, we had already seen, as we mentioned, the largest collective expulsion of Russian diplomats since the Cold War. And now NATO is following suit. What impact this all most likely to have on Russia and how is that playing out?

MELISSA BELL, CNN PARIS CORRESPONDENT: Well, it certainly adds that sense of unity. And we heard the secretary general of NATO go on to explain, Rosemary, that this wasn't simply about the scruples. It wasn't simply about the single attack. But that this very large diplomatic response to Russia, this unity, was really the result over reaction to a pattern of behavior on Russia's behalf over the last few years.

And he mentioned things like Russia's intervention in Ukraine, the annexation of Crimea, cyber attacks, really reflecting what Boris Johnson has been saying for the last couple of weeks, the the whole world really is fed up with the sorts of actions that many individual countries (INAUDIBLE) over the course of the last years.

He even look at the massive difference between the international reaction at the time of Litvinenko's poisoning in London in 2006, and the reaction, the unity that so many of Britain's allies have achieved now all those years. Now of course the next step, Rosemary, will be a retaliation. It will be a response. Speaking from Tashkent yesterday, Russia's foreign Minister left no doubt a tool that that was what was next.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) SERGEY LAVROV, RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTER (through translator): We will respond undoubtedly because nobody wants to tolerate such harsh behavior and we will not either.

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BELL: Now it is said that Russia's foreign ministry is drawing up even now a series of retaliatory measures that could be then approved by Vladimir Putin. He of course, the Russian president, has been tied up with events in Russia. He was in Kemerovo yesterday, dealing with the fall out from the tragic fire there on Sunday.

But clearly over the course of the next few days, I think we can expect a response from Russia. The question is whether it will be entirely tit-for-tat or asymmetric with a few measures to go a little bit further as they did when Moscow announced its retaliatory measures after the expulsion from Britain of the 23 Russian diplomats, Rosemary.

CHURCH: So, Melissa, what sort of retaliatory action might we expect, do you think?

BELL: Well, there are a number of things that Russia could do. Of course, the expulsion of more diplomats will be first and foremost. And perhaps, diplomats representing some of those countries that have now acted against Russia.

But interesting also even as they prepare to strike back, even as they await to tell the world what they plan to do next is the spin that they putting on this, those comments made by Sergey Lavrov yesterday.

One of the things that is interesting is that he said, you know, when these individual countries tell you of their expulsions, announce expulsions, (INAUDIBLE) whisper into Moscow's ear their apology, he spoke of pressure being brought, the sort of black male being carried out by Britain and the United States on this issue.

You sense the anger. You sense their very defensive need now to strike back in important way. And so I don't think we'll have to wait terribly long, Rosemary, to find out precisely what form that's likely to take.

CHURCH: Yes, you are absolutely right. Melissa Bell, joining us there from London where it is just after eight in the morning. We thank you.

Donald Trump tweeted just once on Tuesday about the opioid crisis. There's been nothing about the allegations from adult film star Stormy Daniels or former Playboy playmate, Karen McDougal.

[03:10:00] It's curious behavior from someone who describes himself as a fighter and counter puncher. CNN's Jim Acosta reports.

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JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: This week, President Trump has been the commander in brief, steering clear of any major comments on two issues nagging his administration, Russia and Stormy Daniels. Pulling his punches instead of delivering them.

SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: The president has been so incredibly engaged. He gives us messages to come out and deliver on his behalf on the regular basis but he has also put out a number of tweets over the --

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CHURCH: A national day of mourning in Russia after one of the country's deadliest fires. It ripped through a mall on Sunday killing at least 64 people. Forty-one of them were children, including an entire class of fifth graders. Fire exits were blocked and the alarm system had been turned off. Children trapped inside called their parents to say their final goodbye.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I was talking to my daughter on the phone. I asked her where she was. She cried, I'm here, dad. I told her to lie down on the floor and breathe. Breathe and don't die, I told her. I ran there. But they grabbed me by my feet and dragged me back. I cried, you bastards. I was crying to my daughter. She said, dad, I love you. I'm suffocating. I'm fainting. Excuse me.

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CHURCH: Horrifying details there. Hundreds of protesters in the Siberian city of Kemerovo gathered to demand a full investigation. President Vladimir Putin has promised to punish those responsible. Five people have been detained over fire safety violation.

Police in Paris suspect the Holocaust era survivor was murdered because of her religion. The French Jewish community says it is the latest crime in a recent surge of anti-Semitic attacks.

[03:15:00] Jim Bittermann has that report.

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JIM BITTERMANN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: This is a tragic story but even more so when you realize the context around the victim, Mireille Knoll, 85 years old. She was just 10 years old in Paris in World War II when she managed to just barely escape the Holocaust. Basically, there was a roundup of Jews in one of the most infamous incidents during the World War II here in Paris. A roundup of Jews, and she and her mother managed to escape Paris just before it took place.

Now 75 years later, she was killed brutally in her apartment, stabbed to death, her apartment set on fire in what the prosecutor is considering an anti-Semitic hate crime. They charged two young men with the murder. One 27 years old apparently known to Mrs. Knoll and in fact had served jail time for sexual assault on the daughter of the caregiver of Mrs. Knoll. In any case, as you can imagine, the Jewish community here is very upset about this and there is going to be a major march during the day on Wednesday in which they are going to march to her house. Jewish leaders will be there but also political leaders as well.

Jim Bittermann, CNN, Paris.

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CHURCH: The French-Jewish community is the largest Western Europe. The Interior Ministry said anti-Semitic violent incidents were up 26 percent from 2016 to 2017. In April of last year, 65-year-old Sarah Halimi-Attal was killed by her neighbor. Her death is being investigated as an anti-Semitic attack. In 2015, four people were killed in a terrorist attack at a kosher supermarket in Paris. And in 2012, four people were killed including three children outside a Jewish school in Toulouse.

In about 45 minutes, a funeral procession will begin and police stations across France pose for one minute of silence. Lieutenant Colonel Arnaud Beltrame was killed after offering to exchange himself for a female hostage in a terrorist attack last Friday. It happened in Southern France.

After hijacking a car and killing the passenger, an ISIS supporter fired on police officers out jogging before taking hostages at a supermarket. Before it was over, the gunman killed four people before he was shot dead.

Egyptians are heading to the polls for a third and final day of voting. Critics say the country's presidential election is a sham, but some voters disagree. We will go live to Cairo to find out more. Plus --

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (FOREIGN LANGUAGE).

CHURCH (voice over): An anchor in Pakistan makes news with her TV debut. Her story, still to come (ph).

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[03:20:00] CHRISTOPHER WYLIE, CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA WHISTLEBLOWER: I think it is completely reasonable to say that there could have been a different outcome in the referendum, you know, had there not been, in my view, cheating.

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CHURCH: That is Cambridge Analytica whistleblower, Christopher Wylie, testifying before members of the British Parliament about the 2016 Brexit vote. Organizers of the Leave campaign deny his claims and Cambridge Analytica says it's only interaction with Vote Leave was an early stage sales pitch. The company calls Wylie's testimony unfounded conspiracy theories.

Meantime, Facebook CEO will testify before the U.S. Congress on data privacy. Mark Zuckerberg has been under mounting pressure from lawmakers in the U.S. and the U.K. to appear. Wylie claims Cambridge Analytica access Facebook users' data without their knowledge to target voters. The data firm denies that allegation. Zuckerberg though is declining an appearance before British lawmakers.

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DAMIAN COLLINS, BRITISH CONSERVATIVE MP: I think, given the extraordinary evidence we've heard so far today, it is absolutely astonishing that Mark Zuckerberg is not prepared to submit himself to questioning in front of a parliamentary or congressional hearing, given that these are questions of fundamental importance and concern to Facebook users.

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CHURCH: Zuckerberg instead will send one of his deputies to answers members of parliament's questions.

Egyptians are heading to the polls for the third and final day of their country's presidential election. The outcome all but certain. President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi is expected to hang on to power. He is facing just one challenger who critics call a bogus candidate apparently to increase turnout. Voting is mandatory and those who don't vote face fine. Some voters say they want el-Sisi to remain in office.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): When it comes to the claim, that is already decided. Those running are not many. And the current president is the only person who is capable. The time that we are living in at the moment needs a certain leader with specific characteristics. No one has that at the moment except the president.

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CHURCH: And CNN's Ian Lee joins us now from Cairo, Egypt to bring us up to date on what the situation is. We hear there -- we heard certainly from that gentleman, we heard from others, they want el-SiSi to remain in power. Of course, they don't have any alternative, do they?

IAN LEE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right. All the potential other candidates, Rosemary, have dropped out either through intimidation or they were arrested on various charges. And then finally this little know candidate, Mousa Mostafa Mousa, came to run. And when we talked to him about it, he told us the only reason he decided to run is because there was no one running against the president and he didn't want it to make it a referendum against Egyptian President Sisi. Sisi also said that he wish there were more candidates out to run against him to make this a more competitive election. But, you know, we are hearing from analysts who tell us that even if all these candidates were to run, that President Sisi would still likely win because he does carry a lot of support here in Egypt.

He has brought stability to the country and that is something when we speak with different voters, that's a very important issue. That and the economy. And they say, you know, he has made some tough, painful economic reforms but they were necessary to get this economy that was in shatters back up and going again.

But really, Rosemary, the one that we are going to be watching in this election is going to be turnout. And that's been hard to gauge. This election has been long hours over the course of three days. We've seen even this morning people trickling in to cast their ballots. But it's going to be turnout. Does the president get a strong mandate to go for?

The strong mandate would be somewhere around 50 percent turnout. That would be strong. That's the highest that we've seen in the past. So if he gets that, that means the Egyptians are supporting him moving forward with his economic reforms and how he's running the country. Rosemary?

CHURCH: All right. Ian Lee, joining us there from Cairo in Egypt where it is nearly 9:30 in the morning. Thanks so much.

Two major decisions to tell you about surrounding the death of two African-American men killed by police. Both shootings were caught on camera and both are stirring outrage.

The state of Louisiana will not file charges against the two white officers involved in the killing of Alton Sterling in 2016. The attorney general says an investigation determined the shooting was justified. Video of the shootings sparked protests across the United States. It shows Starling pinned down by two officers. Police say Starling was shot when he was reaching for a gun.

[03:24:57] And then separately, the state of California is stepping in to oversee the investigation of the police shooting of a black man in Sacramento. Two officers shot Stephon Clark last week because they thought he had a weapon. Instead, only a cell phone was found and that prompted activists during a city council meeting to do this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does this look as you point this to a council, does this look like a gun?

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CHURCH: The shooting of Stephon Clark is also causing outrage because the police officers fired 20 shots at him in his grandmother's backyard. Activists say they can't trust the official investigation and they want one led by people in the community. Dan Simon has more. And a warning, his report contains disturbing video.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE).

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DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): (INAUDIBLE) black man dead and a community shaken.

California's capital, the latest example of what many see as policing gun law. Two Sacramento police officers responding to a report of someone breaking car windows, fired 20 shots at Stephon Clark, killing him after thinking the 22-year-old was pointing a gun at them. Instead, only a cellphone was found nearby.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): Like this. Something in his hands. It looked like a gun from our perspective.

SIMON (voice over): With the department under a tense scrutiny, police chief Daniel Hahn announcing the investigation will be overseen by the state's attorney general.

DANIEL HAHN, CHIEF, SACRAMENTO POLICE DEPARTMENT: I believe this will build -- help build faith and confidence in the investigation from our community.

SIMON (voice over): Among the lingering questions, why the officers turned off their microphones just moments after the shooting. Chief Hahn acknowledging that it has raised public suspicion.

HAHN: It might be and probably is the time to not allow that anymore.

SIMON (voice over): Sworn in a year ago as the city's first African- American chief, he inherited a department where there is already deep mistrust within the black community.

(on camera): Bottom line, were the officers justified at all in the shooting?

HAHN: Well, that was what this investigation has to come to conclusion up at the end and until all all the facts are in and until we finish that, I can't answer that.

BENJAMIN CRUMP, ATTORNEY FOR CLARK FAMILY: We will fight for Stephon until we get justice for Stephon.

SIMON (voice over): The Clark family has brought on top civil rights attorney Benjamin Crump who is expected to file a wrongful death lawsuit against the city.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why (INAUDIBLE).

SIMON (voice over): The shooting has created a wave of protests, but unlike other high-profile police shootings, they have stayed mostly calm with one notable exception.

Last week, protesters blocking entrances to the Sacramento Kings Basketball Game. Thousands of fans couldn't get in, the stands empty. But NBA players too have taken up the cause.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We will not stick to sports.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We will not shut up (INAUDIBLE).

SIMON (voice over): With Celtics and Kings players making this powerful public service announcement.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Say his name.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stephon Clark.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stephon Clark.

SIMON (voice over): Dan Simon, CNN, Sacramento.

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CHURCH: We will take a short break here. Still to come, an embarrassing scandal on the pitch (ph) in South Africa.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) because they are bloody good team.

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CHURCH: Australian cricket players caught cheating. The punishment they now face. We will look into that when we come back.

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CHURCH: A very warm welcome back to CNN Newsroom. I'm Rosemary Church, I want to update you now on the mains stories we're following this hour. North Korea's Kim Jong-un made a surprise visit to China, the first time he's left his country since taking power in 2011.

Chinese State Media report Kim wanted to personally inform President Xi Jinping about the developments on the Korean Peninsula. Kim is expected to meet with South Korean President Moon Jae-in next month and possibly U.S. President Donald Trump in May.

NATO is joining more than two dozen countries punishing Russia over the nerve agent attack in England. It's expelling seven diplomats and denied the applications of three others, and also reduced the size of Russia's missions to the alliance. Moscow denied any involvement in the attack.

Police in Paris believe a woman who survived a roundup of Jews in 1942 was killed Friday because of her religion. Mireilli Knoll, Nava and a homeless man are under arrest as being an increase in anti-Semitic attacks in France in recent years. Well, significant sanctions are expected soon for three Australian cricket players at the center of a cheating scandal. They admit they conspired to tamper with the ball to change its spin during a weekend test against South Africa.

TV cameras caught batsman (ph) Cameron Bancroft red-handed. There it is. The team captain, Steve Smith, and vice captain, David Warner, are being replaced on the Australian team. Here's the reaction from Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull.

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MALCOLM TURNBULL, AUSTRALIAN PRIME MINISTER: This has been a shocking front to Australia. It is, you know, how many -- how many of us as children, how many of us as fathers and mothers have had children who have looked up to the Australian team, have look up, you know, to their idols, to their role models? This cheating is a disgrace.

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CHURCH: CNN's David McKenzie is following developments live from Johannesburg. David, what can we expect in the next 24 on this?

DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, the cricket Australia leadership is saying they will have significant sanctions and those three players are already on their way back to Australia, their Captain and Vice-Captain, and the opening batsman who was caught red- handed as you say, tampering with the ball.

Now, for those who watches that don't necessary follow cricket, this is really a strategy that teams have sometimes used the behind the scenes, but cheating it is of altering the nature of the cricket balls so that they can get a reverse swing, as it's called, which poses a real challenge for the batsman. But the scandal shows no signs of going away and sort of snowballed into becoming a political scandal, almost within the Australian context. Here's the CEO of Cricket Australia.

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JAMES SUTHERLAND, CEO, CRICKET AUSTRALIA: In regards to the great (ph) plays on the report, I want to stress that we are contemplating significant sanctions in each case. These sanctions will reflect the gravity which would view what has occurred and the damage that has done to the standing of Australian cricket.

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MCKENZIE: So, we don't know when those sanctions will be announced. They will be announced through a statesman, we believe. And it's all coming ahead of the fourth and final first (ph) match between this two cricketing nations. Rosemary?

CHURCH: And David, why has this become such a big deal?

MCKENZIE: Rosemary, as you would know in Australia -- that in Australia, cricket and sport in general is not just a big deal, but at times, the national obsession or past time. You've seen front pages of all those Australian major papers dealing with this. For years, Australia's cricket team has been world beaters and their rivals around the world, including South Africa, of course, England (ph), seem to be reveling in a way that the Australians had been brought down and notch all three because of this ball tampering scandal or cheating that was premeditated.

[03:35:24] Now, there could be further people brought into the scandal including Australia's coach, who is at times is a controversial figure. Here is one fan in Australia reacting to all of it.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it's a big embarrassment. I mean this may mean (ph) he is trying to cheat because they're bloody good team. So, yes, it's very disgraceful.

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MCKENZIE: Here in South Africa, it's all been met with humor mostly and a certain level, you know, pleasure (ph) must be said. There are some fans who feel that Australians have been superior -- active superior in the past, at least, but you've also seen many fans saying they would have preferred those key players staying so that South Africa could beat Australia on its own terms and not face a weaken side. Rosemary?

CHURCH: Yes. Lot of rivals enjoying this every bit of it, David McKenzie joining us there from Johannesburg, many thanks to you.

And Peter FitzSimons is a senior sportswriter for Sydney Morning Herald. He joins us now on the line from Sydney. Thanks so much for being with us.

PETER FITZSIMONS, SPORTWRITER, SYDNEY MORNING HERALD: Good morning, good afternoon.

CHURCH: So, we just heard Cricket Australia chief, James Sutherland, say this ball tampering scandal only involves three players, but not everyone agrees with that assessment. Former England cricket star, Michael Born, tweeted this, "Only three people new #myass." Hopefully, we can bring up those tweets so you can see them.

Another England cricket star, Matt Prize, said, "I can't believe for one minute that only three players knew what was going on. The bowler's (ph) coach -- and bowling (ph) coach weren't involved in discussions of how to get the ball moving, whether it be by cheating or not. And then former Australian cricket captain, Michael Clark, tweeted this, "The truth, the full story, accountability and leadership until the public get this Australian cricket is indeed, you know what."

So, what is the truth? What is the full story about who always involved and when will we know for sure, do you think, because there is a lot of chatter that this goes beyond these three guys were looking at right now in our screen?

FITZSIMONS: I think we will know for sure on the 12th of never. I don't think, you know, what actually happened, who said what and the whom in the confines of that dressing room. I don't know. We can never be sure.

Look, there's the answer, there is no sure answer. What the consensus seems to be -- I have no knowledge even though I stepped aside, Michael Clark last Sunday when the news broke, we were doing a sports panel show together. That consensus seems to be that it was driven by David Warner that Steven Smith, the captain, agreed to the plan and Cameron Brandcroft, the junior emperor at the side, say he would do it.

I mean the thing that has stunned Australia -- and there is some constellation in effect for Australia. We're universal in that condemnation of this. We look at it, we go, "What? What? How did it get to this? Where -- how did we get to cheating?" The greatest displease (ph) would be if we look in a way things happen, not a big deal.

That's not been the answer. Australia has universally as we looked at it and condemned it. And three of them -- three of the players will play the piper, where the fast ballers suspected of swinging (ph) -- well, I want to have that to happen. We don't know. But the other thing that has stunned Australia is the sheer crest stupidity of it that you're attacking on to the field a foreign object that is a manner of cheating and that foreign object in an arena with 30 cameras, shooting everywhere fire up your left nostrils. The foreign object is colored bright yellow. I mean, I can't believe the stupidity of it.

CHURCH: And -- yes, as you are talking, we're looking at the pictures here and you can see Bancroft's got his hand down his pants with the ball (ph). The cameras trained on him. How could they be so foolish not to realize that every move is being watched by these cameras? And as one fan off there, why they even bother? They are a great team. They play well. Why are they cheating?

FITZSIMONS: Well, there is place in the Sydney Morning Herald at the moment -- as a matter of fact, I read it. And my only theory on that is that -- I mean, where does this stupidity come from, where did this decision -- this stupid decision and that right decision to cheat? Where did it come from? The only answer is this has been a bitter and brutal to it (ph). You know, it has been furious ill-will from the very beginning.

There's been outrageous sledging (ph) from both side and sledging is an Australian vernacular and sharing (ph) but more or less whispering insult at your opponent. Australia has badly (ph) more or less invented the art, but the South African themselves (inaudible).

There has been so much ill-will and I think probably in an Australian team a siege mentality that somewhere in that fairly fairness deceived (ph) mentality (inaudible) and a corrupt idea took hold and it wasn't Sheppard ban by those who knew a better. It was embraced and it has been very said, but they're going to have to pay the piper.

CHURCH: And Peter, David Warner seems to be at the central whole of this -- a lot of his players distancing themselves from a -- they are not happy with him at all, him particularly out of those three.

FITZSIMONS: No, he is in a very isolated spot at the moment. Again, the piece that are written for the Sydney Morning Herald says the good thing about this is that Australia has been, for God's sake, can we be decent about this. This is cheating and it's outrageous. But I say that Australia in turn has to be decent about this and decency is, you guys, you (inaudible) disgrace yourselves and the country and the cricket game by doing this. You need to go and sit for some time in the far pavilions, which you have to express you remorse.

And then, for me, that will pass away from test cricket forever, but they have to have a fair chance of time away reflecting on it and then we have to use -- we, Australians, have to use this opportunity to say with the new captain (inaudible). Let's embrace the old values of good sportsmanship, three cheers for the opposition and just -- and end the sledging and end to the insulting opponents, trying from metal disintegration as it's been. Let's try to beat them with the bat and the ball, character, and will to win and let's embrace the old values, because by going on this new values, we've lost our way. We have been embarrassed ourselves. So let's go back to the old values where we are bloody good at cricket.

CHURCH: Let's do that. A very embarrassing situation there for Australia, for the team, particularly for these three players and will see, what sort of punishment there is handed out to them in the coming hours. Peter FitzSimons, thank you so much for joining us, we appreciate it.

FITZSIMONS: Thank you. Bye.

CHURCH: I want to take a short break here, but still to come, a Pakistani news anchors TV debut has gone viral. How she's using the attention to push for acceptance? We will explain when we come back.

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CHURCH: Welcome back everyone. A news anchor's appearance on a Pakistani television channel has social media buzzing. Lynda Kinkade explains how her very presence is making a difference.

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[03:45:04] LYNDA KINKADE, CONNECT THE WORLD, CNN: The news in this Pakistani show is not so much about the stories that the person reporting them. 21-year-old Maavia Malik is the nation's first transgendered news anchor. She works for the local base channel, Kohenoor News. The trainee anchor made her on a debut on Pakistan Day, March 23rd.

MAAVIA MALIK, NATION'S FIRST TRANSGENDERED NEWS ANCHOR: (FOREIGN LANGUAGE) KINKADE: Malik told CNN she applied for the position since she wanted to prove that people from the transgender community are capable of any job and can do anything they want. Despite his success, she says her family disowned her.

MALIK: (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)

KINKADE: Pakistan's government highlighted her hiring on its Twitter feed and also mentioned the new Senate bill. This gives transgender people the right to change their gender on national identity cards, inherit property and not be discriminated against, if they are seeking political office. The bill is expected to be signed by the president any day.

While rights groups have praised the Senate's move, Malik says there should also be changes in society, so bills like this are taken seriously and implemented. Lynda Kinkade, CNN.

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CHURCH: There are new developments in the investigation of how a former doctor for USA gymnastics was able to abuse more than 200 young girls and women for years. Larry Nassar is now behind bars after pleading guilty. Well, now, authorities are looking into whether his former boss at Michigan State University sexually assaulted and harassed female students. CNN's Jean Casarez is following that story.

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JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Dr. William Strampel was the boss of Dr. Larry Nassar here at Michigan State University. Larry Nasser, of course, serving a lifetime in prison now for sexually assaulting so many Olympic gymnasts and other athletes across the country and he was Dr. Strampel that really stood out for him here at MSU when it was a Title IX complaint and he said that Dr. Larry Nassar's procedure were purely medical in nature.

Well, now, that boss has been charged himself with counts that are separate and distinct from Larry Nassar, some involving misconduct of a public official, criminal sexual conduct. And what the affidavit in criminal complaint allege is that there are four alleged victims, all medical students, all female say that this dean of the School of Osteopathic Medicine made passes at them, touched them inappropriately, told them if you do me favors I will do you favors during a span of quite a few years.

Also we have learned that in February a search warrant was executed here at Michigan State University for electronic equipment of this dean and what they found were pornographic images of women in various forms of dress, also pornographic videos, and someone, according to the complaint, had tried to delete some of those images.

Dr. Williams Strampel has been released on $25,000 cash recognizance bond. His attorney says that he is not committed any criminal offenses at all. He did not grope women. He did not sexually assault women, and at all times, he did with the university told him to do in regard to Dr. Larry Nassar, back to you.

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CHURCH: All right. Thanks so much for that. We will take a short break, we are back in just a moment.

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CHURCH: Welcome back everyone. Well, can transgender people in Pakistan risk living on the fringes of society? Now, the LB -- LGBT Healthcare Organization in Pakistan says that's because trans people are often disowned by their family. Now, some turn to prostitution as a way to survive.

Pakistan's Ministry of Health says that transgender sex workers are the second most vulnerable group to contracting HIV, second to injecting drug users.

Qamar Naseem joins us now from the Barshali (ph) in Pakistan, a human rights activist is a co-founder of Trans-Action Pakistan and that group just retweeted a message that says another transgender person has been killed in Bashaoor (ph). The 55th killing since January 2015.

Thank you so much for talking with us. So, tell us what sort of efforts are being made to make it -- make life a little easier for transgender people?

QAMAR NASEEM, CO-FOUNDER TRANS-ACTION PAKISTAN: Yes. In that sense, as of 15 January 20115, this is the 55th in the province of (inaudible) and its 1130th case of violence, which was reported and unfortunately, the private system (ph) implies the only province in Pakistan which is producing such kind of a data and still this data is coming from only six districts of the province, which means it's only the tip of the iceberg.

But definitely the situation is -- this the violence is there but at the policy level the government of Pakistan has taken a lot values, (inaudible) life of the transgender person in Pakistan, which has seemed to had legal recognition and bring them legal identity documents without any medical inside jobs (ph) evaluations. Now (inaudible) the persons in Pakistan are encouraged to change (ph) their passport, their driving licenses. There are forces of --

CHURCH: Oh, unfortunately, we appeared to have lost our guest there, Qamar Naseem, joining us from Barshali (ph) in Pakistan.

Well, we all need to keep a very close eye on the sky in the coming days on out-of-control shiny space lab is expected to fall to earth and could scatter debris of a path of the planet. But experts say there's nothing to worry about, as our Michael Holmes reports.

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MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN ANCHOR AND CORRESPONDENT: Heads up. Almost nine tons of space debris is expected to fall from the sky this week, as China's first space lab called Tiangong-1 hurdles its way to earth. The space station about the size of the school bus served as an experimental lab for Chinese astronauts from 2011 until Tiangong completed its mission five years later.

But it stopped sending data back to earth, making a controlled reentry impossible, and a crash into the atmosphere inevitable. But experts don't say run for your bunkers just yet. Most of the space station will burn up, before it ever reaches the ground. You'd have to be one of the luckiest or unluckiest people on the planet for it to cause any harm.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- for such large objects typically between 20 and 40 percent loss its original mass of 8.5 ton (ph) will survive re- entry and then could be found on the grounds theoretically. The probability to be injured by one of this fragments is similar to the probability of being hit by lightning twice in the same year.

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HOLMES: Trying to (ph) pin down on the time of the reentry saying it could happen between March 31 and April 4, but they haven't yet figured out where it might land.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Northern Europe, including France, Germany, Austria, Switzerland are definitely on the safe side. Southern Europe, the southern part of North America, South Asia, Africa and Australia and also South America, they are still within the zone.

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HOLMES: Analyst say, 100 tons of debris fall to earth uncontrolled each year.

[03:55:02] In 1979, you may remember the U.S. space station, Skylab, splintered into pieces over Western Australia, leaving behind some bits, but no damage. And as we wait the Tinagong-1 demise it leaves behind a stellar legacy for space program that's very much on the rise. China launched for Tiangong-2 in 2016 and plans to build a permanent 20-ton Space Station by 2022. Michael Holmes, CNN.

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CHURCH: And in Auckland, New Zealand, police are appealing for help in locating the stolen alpaca and there's a very good reason for wanting him back. The animal's blind brother seen here with the police officer relies on him to move around as pen, so, right now, the blind alpaca is having a lot of trouble.

His helpless and alone, his brother was stolen just a couple of weeks ago, so, they want him back. Let's do something about that. Thanks for your company this hour. I'm Rosemary Church. Remember to connect with me anytime on Twitter, I love to hear from you and the news continues now with Max Foster in London. You're watching CNN, have a great day.