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This Hour: Putin Meeting With Turkey's Erdogan; Mueller Gets Go Ahead To Probe Manafort Allegations; Trump Shifts Back To Hard-Line Immigration Stance; Trump: Mexico Doing Little To Stop Migrants; North Hosts Joint Korean Concert Despite War Games; Netanyahu Cancels Migrant Relocation Agreement; Winnie Mandela's Long Struggle Against Apartheid; World Headlines; France Hit By Crippling Rail Strike; London Murder Rate Now Tops New York City's; Spotify Versus Apple; Russian Drone Delivery. Aired 8-9a ET

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ANDREW STEVENS, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Andrew Stevens in Hong Kong. Welcome to News Stream.

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STEVENS: Well, high-stakes in Turkey, Vladimir Putin prepares to meet Recep Tayyip Erdogan with Syria's future on the table. Cancelling and

agreement, Israel's Prime Minister backtracks on a deal with the UNHCR to relocate thousands of migrants. And three months of strikes, French

workers put the pressure on Emmanuel Macron, and try to rile away services into chaos.

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STEVENS: Russian President Vladimir Putin is meeting his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan in Ankara shortly with the crisis in Syria

expected to be high on the agenda.

They will be joined by the Iranian President Hassan Rouhani on Wednesday. Well the leaders represent the three biggest foreign military forces

currently inside Syria excluding the United States.

But as the leaders discuss the country's fate, notably missing from the talks will be any representative from Syria itself. Well, CNN's Gul Tuysuz

joins me now from Ankara, where the two are meeting today, and Matthew Chance is in Moscow.

And, Gul, I want to start with you. That meeting tomorrow with the leaders of Iran, Russia, and Turkey, they have met before, they have tried to

hammer out a deal before, it has failed, the carnage continuous, what can we expect from this meeting if anything (ph)?

GUL TUYSUZ, CNN PRODUCER: Well, this meeting is a hard one. The idea behind it is that they -- that these three countries will get together, and

find a political situation for the carnage in Syria, a roadmap, a blueprint to try to forward out of this chaotic mess that has been engulfing its

citizens for years now.

But whether or not these three players can come together is something that is a hard cell, it's very difficult. They are on opposing sides. Turkey

backs, of course, the Syrian opposition, with Russia and Iran looking to maintain the status quo in Syria and backing President Bashar al-Assad.

They do have a couple of things that they can agree on. The predominant one is, of course, Syria's territorial integrity, but whether or not

agreeing on that one specific thing can actually find a way for Syria to move forward is something that we just don't know at this point.

What we do know is that these three countries are the main players on the ground. They have (Inaudible), they have military forces that have been

effective on the ground, and if there is going to be any chance for Syria, whether or not it's from this bilateral meeting tomorrow, or whether it's

within the scope of the bigger Geneva talks, these three players will have to come to an agreement on some sort of way for Syria to move forward.

Andrew.

STEVENS: OK, Gul. This state no clear idea of what that way forward could be. Let's go to Matthew Chance. Matthew, today Recep Tayyip Erdogan meets

the Russian Leader. Russia clearly has the leverage in this relationship with Turkey. What does Putin want from today's meeting?

MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well today's meeting I think is going to be focused at this bilateral meeting between the Russian and Turkish

leaders. It is going to be focused on trade. Russia and Turkey, despite their political differences over Syria, they both back different sides

essentially in that conflict.

They have worked very closely together economically, and Russia is meant to be building a nuclear reactor inside Turkey. It's also been negotiating to

sell Turkey a very controversial missile system called an S-400, surface- to-air missile system, which has raised some eyebrows amongst Turkey's NATO allies.

But it's been endeavoring to supply that multibillion-dollar built of military recruitment as well, and he's trying to accelerate the supply

that, too, to have it delivered by 2020. And this is a key relationship for Vladimir Putin.

I mean just last year, the Russian President met with President Erdogan eight times, and spoke to him more than 20 times on the telephone, and this

is the first foreign trip that President Putin has made since he was returned to office in another landslide victory in the last presidential

elections that took place just a couple of weeks ago.

And so, it's a crucial relationship. Trade is at the forefront, and he is taking a massive delegation of Russian business personnel with him to speak

with their Turkish counterparts.

[08:05:06] And of course tomorrow with the arrival of the Iranian Leader, the situation, well I expected to change in terms of its focus to discuss

the Syrian conflict, and the proposals in the peace deals that these three major powers -- some of the biggest military powers that operate inside

Syria have managed to hammer together.

STEVENS: Matthew Chance in Moscow, and Gul Tuysuz in Ankara, thank you very much, and we are expecting the formal ceremony to greet Vladimir Putin

in the next few minutes.

Now, the U.S. Justice Department has revealed that it told Special Counsel Robert Mueller to investigate allegations of the former Trump campaign

manager Paul Manafort that colluded with Russia over the 2016 election campaign.

The request was contained in the memo to Mueller from the Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. Well, the DOJ release that classified memo on

Monday. Well, Shimon Prokupecz is in Washington with more on that.

And the significance here is amongst the house of witch hunts, and false news, and you know, fake collusion, the fact is, that the DOJ was basically

directing Special Counsel Mueller to investigate exactly that collusion with Manafort and the Russians.

SHIMON PROKUPECZ, CNN CRIME AND JUSTICE REPORTER: That's exactly right, and this was the Deputy Attorney General, as you said, Rod Rosenstein who

is overseeing this investigation, sort of keeping an eye on it, and Robert Mueller, who is a Special Counsel, reports to the Deputy Attorney General.

So this memo which was filed in court late last night, lays out the scope of the Special Counsel investigation. It was filed here in Washington,

D.C., and it's sort of basically tells us that Rod Rosenstein authorized the Special Counsel to who is overseeing the Russian probe -- and Rod

Rosenstein had been criticized by the President himself.

This memo was written in August, just three months after Bob Mueller was appointed to run the investigation, and it's a pretty significant move, and

that they have made this memo, part of this memo public because it reveals particular allegations against Paul Manafort, and that one -- as you said,

that he committed crime or crimes by colluding with Russians.

But then it also talks about -- because there has been some controversy here with the Ukrainians, and the investigation of Paul Manafort's business

ties and the money he made -- the money he received while he was working for the pro-Russian head of the Ukraine.

And basically, Rod Rosenstein has allowed Bob Mueller and his team to investigate that. In fact, they have brought charges against them for the

money that he made from that work.

His attorneys are arguing that Mueller has overstepped his jurisdiction by bringing those charges because essentially that aspect of the investigation

has nothing to do with the investigation.

And this three page memo is also notable, because there are things in there that are completely blacked out, pretty lengthy probably about a page or so

that is blacked out. And that part alleges people that the Mueller team is investigating other allegations perhaps that may exist against people.

We don't know who those people are, that is all redacted, and as you said, you know this memo has been kept secret up until its release yesterday. A

pretty significant move here by the Special Counsel, and it shows us really that Manafort's connections to collusion and possible charges as it relates

to the collusion investigation is still very much a possibility.

STEVENS: Very, very, very much a possibility indeed. Shimon, thanks very much for that. Shimon Prokupecz joining us live from D.C.

We're staying in Washington where the President's Twitter tirade show no signs of letting up, Mr. Trump is once again slamming U.S. immigration laws

and returned to the hard-line stance he touted during his presidential campaign. And his attacks didn't stop there. CNN's Abby Philip reports.

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ABBY PHILIP, CNN CORRESPONDENT: President Trump continuing to vent about U.S. immigration policies, calling current laws weak in an Obama joke, and

urging Congress to act.

The White House beginning another push to pass a series of hard-line measures that failed to gain steam last fall, including removing

protections that prevent the immediate deportation of undocumented children, and allowing authorities to keep families in detention for longer

periods, awaiting deportation decisions according to The New York Times. This effort coming after the President declared that any deal to protect

DREAMers is dead.

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The Democrats have really let them down. It's a shame. And now people are taking advantage of DACA.

That's a shame. It should have never happened.

JIM ACOSTA, CNN CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Didn't you kill DACA, sir? Didn't you kill DACA?

PHILLIP: President Trump announced he intended to end the DREAMer program last fall.

[08:10:02] And immigration negotiations collapsed earlier this year after the President signaled he was open to a bipartisan solution.

TRUMP: This group and others from the Senate, and from the House comes back with an agreement, I'm signing it. I mean, I will be signing it. I'm

not going to say, oh, gee, I want this or I want that.

PHILLIP: Democrats offered $25 billion for the President's border wall in exchange for citizenship for DREAMers. The White House was not satisfied,

saying there were too few measures to curb immigration overall.

Sources tell CNN that a number of the President's allies warned him this weekend that his base thinks he's softening on immigration. The President

is also ramping up his attacks on Amazon, accusing the company of hurting the U.S. postal service, and brick-and-mortar stores, arguments he made on

the campaign trail.

TRUMP: And believe me, if I become president, oh, do they have problems.

PHILLIP: The latest criticism causing Amazon stock to drop five percent, President Trump also renewing his rebuke on his own Justice Department,

accusing the DOJ and the FBI of slow walking documents requested by Congress for ongoing investigations, calling the institutions an

embarrassment.

This, as sources tell CNN that embattled EPA Chief Scott Pruitt's job may be in jeopardy. The President is reportedly angry with recent reports that

Pruitt rented a room for well under market value from the family of an energy lobbyist.

The New York Times reports that the EPA signed off on a proposal from a Canadian company linked to the lobbying firm last month, the same time

Pruitt was renting the condo. The EPA and the firm deny that there is any connection.

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STEVENS: Abby Phillip reporting there. Now Mexico has fired back at Donald Trump's tweet storm accusing its leaders of doing nothing to stop

people coming to the U.S. illegally.

The President threatened to scrap NAFTA, and warns that a caravan of thousands -- if migrants were making their way to the border. It turns out

that his slightest rant was not accurate. Here is Leyla Santiago with the latest from Mexico City.

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LEYLA SANTIAGO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Mexico's President Enrique Pena Nieto is now responding to a series of really aggressive tweets from President

Trump.

The Mexican President says that Mexico is taking the negotiation seriously, he wants mutual respect, and he also wants to finds points of interest to

help further develop the three countries negotiating in NAFTA.

So Canada, Mexico, as well as the U.S., and those are the things that were brought up in those tweets from President Trump. Also mentioned President

Trump talks about dangerous caravan making their way north.

And typically, when people talk about caravans during Holy Week here in Mexico, they're talking about what's called Via Crucis. Those are sort of

pilgrimages, religious marches that they become such symbolic annual tradition that now people are using it to make a statement.

In particular, there is one group of more than 1,000 people collaborating with an organization that is San Diego called Pueblo Sin Fronteras, which

means that people without border.

And they are getting a lot of attention because the group is so big, and they're making statements about immigration, as well as the conditions in

Central America.

We're talking about Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras. The group right now is in Oaxaca, so they're about 2,000 miles south of the U.S.-Mexico

border. And the plan is for some of them to make it all the way to the U.S.-Mexico border and seek asylum. But it is still not clear exactly when

they will arrive. Leyla Santiago, CNN, Mexico City.

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STEVENS: China has found fresh retaliation though for President Trump's plans to slap tariffs on some $50 billion worth of Chinese goods. The

Chinese government has already imposed duties on 128 American-made products, ranging from pork to fruit.

Well, that list could grow according to Foreign Ministry Spokesman Geng Shuang. He says, we have been saying China wouldn't start a trade war,

neither is China willing to fight a trade war, but we are not afraid of it, and we will resolutely fight to the end if someone insists on war.

Now, North Korea used to rail against the annual joint drills by the U.S. and South Korea, but this year, it seems to be showing a much softer side.

We'll tune into musical diplomacy on the Korean Peninsula.

Plus, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu backtracks on a deal with the U.N. refugee agency with the fate of African migrants hanging in the

balance, details just ahead.

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STEVENS: Welcome back, North Korea is trying to show a softer side to the world, even as the U.S. and South Korea hold their annual war games.

Instead of the usual fiery rhetoric against those drills, North Korea's Leader Kim Jong-un actually ported a South Korean pop concert in Pyongyang

on Sunday.

In just a short while ago, the North hosted a joint concert between its singers and the South Korean stars. We are just getting images of that

event coming to us now.

All of this leading out, of course, to the high-level inter-Korean summit between the leaders of North and South Korea that is planned for April

27th.

Let's get more details now on the movements on the Korean Peninsula. Our Paula Hancocks joins us from Seoul. Paula, the charm offensive continues.

PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely, Andrew. And the images that we're seeing from this concert, that actually happened a matter of

hours ago, this was the joint -- South Korean concert.

And then also the pool reports that we received from South Korean journalist shows that unity was really the overwhelming message when it

came to this concert. Now the North Korea Leader Kim Jong-un was not there.

But there was the Culture Minister on both sides of the border. North and South Korean Culture Ministers along with a number of other high-ranking

North Korean officials, and it really was focusing on the fact that North and South Korea are one.

There was a banner saying, we are one. They had interludes with a massive screen showing images of the North and South Korean women's ice hockey

teams during the Pyeongchang Winter Olympics. So it was a real effort to try and show the soaring of relations in North and South Korea.

But also the fact that the similarities -- the fact that as they said, we are one, they sang a unification song at the end as well, both North and

South Korean singers. And according to the coins in the pool report, there was a standing ovation of 10 minutes at the end of it.

So a real appreciation, shall we say, in Pyongyang for this. But as you say, it is part of a massive charm offensive, North Korea really pulling

out all the stops to show that it is willing to play nice with South Korea.

Of course there is cynicism, there is caution on the South Korean side, some experts here questioning as well why the North Korean Leader Kim Jong-

un was going to watch South Korean pop culture, when up until Sunday he had punished his own people for watching that kind of pop culture through

smuggled means. USBs have been smuggled into the country. So there are -- there are some question marks around this cultural event. Andrew.

STEVENS: I can imagine, Paula. It sets the mood if you like the April 27th inter-Korean summit. Paula Hancocks in Seoul, thank you very much.

Now the Philippines says a couple in Kuwait has been sentenced to death for the murder of their Filipino maid.

The 29-year-old's body was returned to the Philippines several weeks ago. She had been found dead in the freezer of a Lebanese-Syrian couple living

in the country.

[08:20:03] The couple was charged in absentia. Well, the case sparked outrage in the Philippines, prompting President Duterte to call for a ban

on Philippine workers going to Kuwait.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has canceled a plan to send thousands of African migrants to western countries. A deal had been

reached with the United Nations refugee agency, the UNHCR, to relocatable more than 16,000 migrants, and allow thousands of others to stay in Israel.

Well, that deal came under fire from members of Mr. Netanyahu's own coalition. Let's bring in Ian Lee now. He joins us from Jerusalem. That

seems to be a massive misjudgment from the Israeli Leader, Ian.

IAN LEE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, and an equally massive about- face by him. You know, within the span of 24 hours, he announced suspended, and then killed this deal with the UNHCR which would have

relocated about 16,000 migrants with the remaining about 18 or so thousand remaining here with temporary residency. But it did.

Almost immediately after he made this announcement, he came under fire from his coalition partners and even members of his own party. Naftali Bennett

is the Minister of Education also part of the right-wing Jewish Home Party said that this deal would've made a paradise for infiltrators.

You know, also they said that they hadn't been noted. They didn't -- weren't given notice about this deal that they didn't know about it, and

that they were all surprised. A lot of them were surprised about the details of it.

And you know, this is unusual, Andrew. You usually don't get this vocal decent from members of his coalition or his own party, but they were --

came out quickly.

The Prime Minister then backtracks that he was going to suspended it, and spend the day talking with community leaders of South Tel Aviv, this is

where a lot of these migrants reside.

And then during that meeting he said, this deal was dead. So where does this leave Israel and these migrants now? Essentially at square one,

because Israeli Supreme Court had already suspended a previous plan that would've had the migrants deported to third countries in Africa, that deal

was suspended. So really, these migrants are now again in limbo.

STEVENS: Ian, thank you very much for that. Ian Lee joining us from Jerusalem. Well, turning to India where at least 10 people have died in

violent protest, demanding better rights to lower-cost communities. Those deaths happened in three northern states as demonstrators clashed with

police.

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STEVENS: More than 10,000 members at the Dalit Community brought towns across 10 states to a standstill. The Dalits are among the most

marginalized people in the country, and say that they are ready to rise up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through a translator): This is the voice of the people. Every schedule cast, schedule tribe member of the country is protesting

agents atrocities being implicit on us across India. There is resentment and anger.

STEVENS: OK. We want to take it straight now to Turkey's capital Ankara, where the President of Turkey Recep Tayyip Erdogan is now greeting his

Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin.

This is the official welcoming ceremony, which is about to get underway, you can see behind those (Inaudible), the leaders apparently greeting each

other.

Now after this, the two will watch a video, a grounds laying ceremony for new Russian finance nuclear power plant, and then Mr. Putin, and Mr.

Erdogan will go into meetings where they are expected to discuss economic issues, trade is a bilateral meeting, also likely to discuss Syria. They

will be joined by the Iranian Leader tomorrow for tripartite talks on the future of war-torn Syria.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

STEVENS: Now South Africans are reflecting on the legacy of Winnie Mandela, who is known as the mother of the nation. Crowds celebration --

celebrated the anti-apartheid campaigner's life a little early today. President Cyril Ramaphosa says she will be given an official national

funeral on April 14th.

He praise her for being an advocate for the voiceless, adding in the midst of repression, she was a voice of defiance and resistance, in the face of

exploitation, she was a champion of justice and equality. Well, the former wife of the late President Nelson Mandela died Monday at the age of 81.

[08:25:01] Robyn Curnow now takes a look back at her life and her struggles.

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ROBYN CURNOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Winnie Madikizela-Mandela considered herself a warrior. She was a powerful, yet controversial figure in the

anti-Apartheid movement.

WINNIE MADIKIZELA-MANDELA, SOUTH AFRICAN ANTI-APARTHEID ACTIVIST: We not only fought on political platforms. I was one of those who were with the

people fighting physically against the apartheid regime.

CURNOW: While her husband, Nelson Mandela, was incarcerated, she became the face of Mandela's fight against oppression. When he was released from

prison after 27 years, she was right by his side. She told CNN what was going through her mind at the time.

MADIKIZELA-MANDELA: I was thinking about the liberation of my country and that was the culmination of bitter years of (Inaudible).

CURNOW: While their marriage withstood the battle against apartheid, couldn't withstand the pressure of freedom. They divorced in 1996, two

years after Mandela was elected the first black president of South Africa.

MADIKIZELA-MANDELA: It's very difficult to revisit that period even for me.

CURNOW: In the years after the fall of apartheid, the woman who was once revered as the mother of the nation fell sharply in the public's esteem.

She was convicted of theft and fraud, and the Truth Commission accused her of gross human rights violations, allegations she denied.

When Nelson Mandela died in 2013, Winnie was at his funeral, grieving alongside his widow, Graca Machel. The scars of apartheid wounded

Madikizela-Mandela deeply right until the end.

She remains disappointed with the South Africa she had so fought so hard to liberate. Nevertheless, she said it was well worth the sacrifice.

MADIKIZELA-MANDELA: We won in the end. We were free.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

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STEVENS: I'm Andrew Stevens in Hong Kong. You are watching News Stream, and these are your world headlines. Right now, Russian President Vladimir

Putin is meeting with his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Just moments ago, the two greeted each other in Ankara. They're expected to discuss the crisis in Syria later today. The Iranian President Hassan

Rouhani is due to join them on Wednesday.

[08:30:00] The three leaders represent the three biggest armed military forces currently inside Syria excluding the United States.

Malaysia has intercepted a boat with 56 Rohingya refugees from Myanmar. At least 20 of them were minors. Hundreds of thousands of Rohingya have fled

Myanmar's Rakhine State following a military crackdown last year. Malaysia says the refugees are being sent to immigration authorities, but they will

given food and medicine.

Three months of rolling rail strikes have began in France sparking (ph) chaos for daily commuters. The strikes will take place two days out of

every five until the end of June as unions try to pressure the president into dropping major labor reforms.

Let's go straight now to Jim Bittermann. He joins us live from Paris. (INAUDIBLE) hits by some of the worst industrial actions in this current

round, Jim. I mean strikes in France are fairly synonymous particularly it seems when the weather gets a bit warmer but this actually could be the

start of a game- changing moment for the French economy, couldn't it?

JIM BITTERMANN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: This is the first big test for Emmanuel Macron, Andrew, in his role as president. Everyone is

watching to see how this all plays out. He has had some other attempts at reforms here and they worked, but he hasn't met this kind of opposition

before. This isn't the first time that in fact governments here have tried to reform the rail system.

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BITTERMANN (voice over): For decades, French leaders have tried to reform the nation's economy and while they have had some successes, there have

been some spectacular failures as unions especially at the public sector have pushed back against attempts to change workplace rules.

In this case, the protest against Jacques Chirac's plans in 1995 went on for weeks, brought the country to a halt and contributed to the downfall of

Prime Minister Allan Juppe.

There has been one attempt after another since and now French President Emmanuel Macron was elected at a promise to enact reforms and who began the

process shortly after election day is taking on the most difficult one yet, modifying the work rules in the public transportation sector.

For economist like Pascal Perri, it's long overdue. If for no other reason than France is facing a deadline at the end of the year when European

Railway System must open up the competition, meaning that there could soon be German and Italian trains running on French tracks.

PASCAL PERRI, AUTHOR: It's a question of competitiveness, of profitability. So, today the government has decided to play its role.

BITTERMANN (voice over): Perri points out that the French Railway System suffer a loss each year and has currently 50 billion euros in debt. But

French railway workers, some of whom are employed under work rules that go back to World War II and the days of coal-fired locomotives, are resisting

any attempt to tamper with their pay, pensions or benefits.

What's more, they fear the government as it done in other sectors is heading towards privatizing the rail system. Assisted sub-union leaders

think they should be entirely free.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I want to explain to everyone that like medical costs, health care costs and education, transportation should

be free in order to have true social equality in France.

BITTERMANN (voice over): Even among the other rail unions involved, not everyone would agree with that. But Ponce points out that public employees

in other sectors like the ones he mentioned and others like Air France will go on strike in labor actions that could continue well beyond this week.

In fact, the leadership of one rail union is calling for train for train strikes from April to June at a pace of two straight days for every three

days' work and innovative protest that could infuriate rail users and bedeviled the government, and so the government and passengers could be in

for some trying times ahead.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BITTERMANN: And Andrew, it seems as if the French are on the side of the government, 53 percent, according to one opinion poll, think that the

strikes are unjustified. And 72 percent, that's almost three out of four French, believe that sooner or later the government will win this battle

with the unions. Andrew?

STEVENS: Yes, sooner or later. Jim, thanks very much for that. Jim Bittermann, joining us live from Paris.

Police in London and New York say London's murder rate is now higher than that of New York's. U.K. capital is struggling with a dramatic rise in

deadly knife attacks. CNN's Salma Abdelazis has the story.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE).

SALMA ABDELAZIZ, CNN PRODUCER (voice over): This was the scene on the night of February 20th in the London neighbor of Camden. Below is the body

of Sadiq Adan Mohamed, a 20-year-old slashed to death.

[08:34:59] Mark Hall was there and filmed these clips. It's his voice you hear on the video.

MARK HALL, WITNESS: The guy was lying on the floor and all the -- like (INAUDIBLE) was coming out of him. People were shouting and screaming.

(INAUDIBLE) balcony and just kind of watch from there in horror, really.

ABDELAZIZ (voice over): Mohamed was not the only one murdered in the area that day. Just hours earlier, 17-year-old Abdikarim Hassan was found

fatally wounded in the nearby street.

The murder of these two young men, both Somali, are part of a growing epidemic of violence. Since February 2018, London's murder rate has

overtaken that of New York City's, according to London and New York police.

Crimes committed with a knife, the most common weapon used, have risen by staggering 21 percent in the 12 months to September 2017, according to

government figures.

(on camera): The Somali community here in Camden is still reeling. But this isn't an issue of one specific community or one specific part of the

city. The violence has been described as a virus. And the fear is it is going to get worse before it gets better.

(voice over): Former metropolitan police superintendent Leroy Logan says the rise has been fueled by poor policing and shrinking budgets.

LEROY LOGAN, FORMER METROPOLITAN POLICE SUPERINTENDENT: If they believe the police service is not to find force and not a service, then young

people in particular are not going to deal with them. And so if they have any differences, they use street justice out of the justice system, they

believe that the police over-policing them and under-protecting them. They don't feel the trust and confidence.

ABDELAZIZ (voice over): Last month, an ad campaign was launched by the home office to deter people from carrying knives. And London met police

released a statement on the latest figures, saying one murder is one too many, and we are working hard with our partners to understand the increase

and what we can all do to prevent these tragedies from happening in the first place.

Hall was moved to action by the horror he witnessed that night. He and other local residents have founded a community outreach charity.

HALL: (INAUDIBLE) to give people a little bit of hope as well, you know. But at the end of the day, we never recover. I don't think, in what we saw,

but I think we are trying to do our best to make a change somehow, you know.

ABDELAZIZ (voice over): London is struggling to stem the bloodshed and save the beating heart of the city (INAUDIBLE).

Salma Abdelaziz, CNN, London.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

STEVENS: (INAUDIBLE) with its playlist and now the most popular music streaming service in the world is making a play for the stock market. Just

ahead, we compare Spotify with its nearest rival. Stay tuned.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

STEVENS: Spotify is certainly winning now the consumers in the marketplace but can it win over the stock market? The music streaming service is about

to be listed on the New York stock exchange with some analysts predicting it could be worth more than $43 billion.

Now Spotify was launched about 10 years ago. It got more than 70 million paid subscribers. That's around twice the number of its nearest rival Apple

Music. So what do users prefer, Apple Music or Spotify? We let two DJs battle it out.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

[08:39:58] ALBERT JOHNSON, MUSIC PRODUCER, VOCALIST, AND DJ: My name is Albert Johnson. I'm a music producer, vocalist, and DJ. And I'm an avid

Spotify user.

JOSH SANDERS, PRODUCER AND DJ: I'm Josh Sanders. I'm a producer and DJ. And I'm a diehard Apple Music user.

JOHNSON: Let the best man win.

SANDERS: All right.

JOHNSON: One thing that edges Spotify in front of its competitors is this playlist that resonates so hugely in most artist themselves. I would say

RapCaviar is one of the most influential if not the most influential playlist in hip-hop culture today. You have artists that clamor to the

RapCaviar.

SANDERS: Albert is definitely wrong. I fairly (ph) choose Beats 1 Radio over Spotify playlist. The creators of that particular music are going to

show me what's hot and what's going to be the next up and coming thing. I can tap to say hello, hears all these interviews that he has done, and

expect my favorite artist to come out and put out exclusive projects (ph).

JOHNSON: Spotify definitely can help reach more people through their free plan. Because at the end of the day, you're regular college student, you're

regular (INAUDIBLE) who wants to consume music. They don't necessarily care about hearing one commercial, two commercials.

SANDERS: I think Apple gets a lot of flock (ph) because Spotify has free service. I don't want to listen (INAUDIBLE). I don't have time to do that.

You know, I want to -- I'm going to pay for subscription anyways. You know, for the free version, you can't download the music to your device.

JOHNSON: They have so much original contents. Spotify at one point had a series where they were bringing in a producer and artist and they may

produce a song in the back of the car.

The original content brings a different view to artists that I may listen to that I didn't know about.

SANDERS: One thing about Apple Music is it has a social media piece called Connect, where artists can actually post stuff. Very similar like Twitter.

I think visual content for the future is going to be huge.

JOHNSON: You know I won.

SANDERS: No way, dude. Apple is (INAUDIBLE).

JOHNSON: It's heavier. Are you serious?

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STEVENS: (INAUDIBLE) change their mind, not (INAUDIBLE). OK, we will have more on this at the top of hour, so stay with us for "CNN Money."

Just before we go, I want to tell you the story of the future of drone deliveries which hit something of a snake in Russia recently. Local

residents and officials in a Siberian city gathered at a mini launchpad watching as a drone majestically took off on its debut journey.

For a while, it soared gracefully in the air, took to deliver its first (INAUDIBLE) before banging against (INAUDIBLE) into the side of the

building and smashed to pieces. Ahead of that (INAUDIBLE) said the cluster of Wi-Fi connections in the area probably disrupted the transmitting flight

but that they will keep trying. Try, try again (INAUDIBLE).

That's "News Stream." Thanks for joining me. I'm Andrew Stevens. Don't go anywhere. "World Sport" with Alex Thomas is just ahead.

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