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Yulia Skripal Says My Strength is Growing Daily; Facebook Data Possibly Shared 87 Million Users; Russia, Iran, Turkey Seek Lasting Ceasefire in Syria; Ex-Trump Adviser Now Denies Contact with WikiLeaks; Online Privacy in Wake of Facebook Data Scandal; Liverpool Stun Manchester City in First Leg of Quarterfinals. Aired 11-12n ET
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[11:00:00] HANNAH VAUGHAN JONES, CNN ANCHOR: Hello and welcome to CONNECT THE WORLD. I'm Hannah Vaughan Jones live in London. We are in a very busy
world today. So, let's get right to it.
The woman poisoned by a nerve agent here in the U.K. is speaking out for the first time since the attack. Yulia Skripal says she woke up last week
and is getting stronger every day. The 33-year-old and her father, Sergei, a former Russian spy, were found unconscious on a Park bench last month in
a caper that sparked a huge diplomatic row. Meantime, Russia continues to double down on its denial that it was behind the attack and it's brought a
UN Security Council meeting to discuss the whole thing.
So, let's bring in CNN's Phil Black, outside the Russian Embassy here in London. Also, Matthew Chance, live for us in Moscow this hour. Phil, to
you first. I mean, more questions to the U.K. about its case today. More suspicions from the Russians about the U.K. findings. And finally, now, we
get to hear from one of the victims in this case.
PHIL BLACK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Hannah, so let's deal with the good news first. We have been hearing from other people that Yulia
Skripal was doing well. We have now heard it from her own words. She's released a statement, as you touched on their, saying that she's been
awake, conscious for over a week and growing stronger every day. And she's feeling grateful to the people who have sent her messages of goodwill,
shown interest. Grateful to the staff at the Salisbury hospital. And also, grateful she says, to the people of Salisbury who rushed to help her
when she and her father were, to use her word, incapacitated.
Now, that's important because that means that she's composing public messages. It means she's in a state or condition to speak to investigators
as well. Which is, of course, crucial as they piece together precisely what happened to her and her father in Salisbury one-month ago -- Hannah.
JONES: And Phil, is the British position at this stage consistent in terms of who actually came up with the nerve agent, where it came from and the
like? Does it still stand?
BLACK: The British position is largely consistent. It is fair to say, that they say the nerve agent Novichok was design in the Soviet Union.
That information plus other intelligence, knowledge of Russia's motive and capabilities they say in totality, including intelligence they can't make
public, points to the fact they believe it was Russia. But of course, today we had the Russian ambassador to the U.K. here doing a very big long
conference. Questioning all of this again, questioning why the United Kingdom hasn't presented evidence to back up its claims. And to a
significant extent, complaining about the fact that the United Kingdom is not providing information or access to Yulia Skripal who is of course a
Russian citizen. Complaining -- providing consular access to Yulia Skripal. A short time later a statement from the British foreign office,
said they have convey Russia's offer of consular assistance to Yulia Skripal. But she has not as of yet decided to take up that offer --
JONES: All right, Phil, thanks very much. We'll go to Matthew Chance whose live in Moscow for us this hour. Matthew, Russia is now seizing on
what it says are inconsistencies in the British case. And we have heard some pretty aggressive language today, not just from the Russian embassy
where Phil is, but also from the Russian foreign minister. Tell us more.
MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: That's right. Particularly this admission by the Porton Down chemical weapons research
facility that it was not able to designate or find out exactly which laboratory the Novichok substance nerve agent was actually produced in.
That admission has been taken by countless Russian officials now as being evidence that the entire allegation the United Kingdom has made against
Russia that it was behind the poisoning of Sergey and Yulia Skripal on the streets of Salisbury is fabricated.
And there are all sorts of alternative narratives floated by the Russians from various aspects of the Russian government and the Kremlin. The latest
one that is being touted by Russian state media and by Russian officials is that this was a false flag operation, this chemical weapons attack.
Carried out by British intelligence along with their American partner in crime as it were in order to discredit Russia and to distract from the
problems of the Brexit negotiations. That is just the latest conspiracy theory that has been put out there by Russian officials as they attempt to
kind of side-step the allegation that they were ultimately behind this. Take a listen to what Sergey Lavrov has to say, the Russian foreign
minister, when he was talking about these British allegations just earlier today.
[11:05:00] (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SERGEY LAVROV, RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTER (through translator): So-called Skripal case became a pretest, and imaginary or stage one for a groundless
mass expulsion of a Russian diplomats not only from the United States and Britain and also from a number of other states. And in the majority of
cases, their arms were twisted. We haven't witnessed such a blatant mockery of international law, diplomatic ethics of basic decency for a long
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CHANCE: Well, the Russians are trying to further push what they regard as the diplomatic initiative in this. They called a special session of the
United Nations Security Council later on today to discuss the Skripal poisoning and their concerns about the allegations against them in more
detail -- Hannah.
JONES: Thank you very much indeed to both of you. Matthew Chance in Moscow, Phil Black in central London, thank you.
Now we turn to a very anti-social side of the social network. Facebook says the controversial data firm Cambridge Analytica could have had access
to the data of around 87 million people. A staggering increase on the 50 million first estimated. More worryingly still, Facebook says the data of
most of its 2 billion users is vulnerable. Australia is now starting an investigation joining the U.S. and U.K. in pressuring the tech company.
CEO Mark Zuckerberg is set to testify before Congress next week. He admits Facebook failed to protect users.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MARK ZUCKERBERG, CEO FACEBOOK: We're an idealistic and optimistic company. For the first decade, we really focused on all the good that connecting
people brings. But it's clear now that we didn't do enough. We didn't focus enough on preventing abuse and thinking through how people could use
these tools to do harm as well.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
JONES: Isa Soares is here with more on this. Isa, who is to blame here? Are we talking about malicious actors at the helm of Facebook or outsiders
with malicious intent?
ISA SOARES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, first of all, who is to blame? Zuckerberg said he's the one. He takes full responsibility for what has
happened. You heard there, he's taking responsibility in some respects saying they were in the past too idealistic. But it's interesting that,
you know, that what they've now found out in this new audit. Now they're doing so many audits following on from Cambridge Analytica. Is that they
found the malicious actors who were basically going into your Facebook account with your e-mail address, with the phone number, and from there
they are getting information about you or me. And so that creates a profile. We don't know what that is used for.
Yesterday the chief information officer for Facebook had this to say. We can bring out the statement. He said, given the scale and sophistication
of activity we've seen, we believe most people on Facebook could have had their public scraped in this way. So, we have now disabled this feature.
We are also making changes to account recovery to reduce the risk of scraping as well. So, were talking about almost 2 billion people. We're
not talking about, you know, just 1/2 million. We're talking a significant -- pretty much all of Facebook users.
And what's important, what they didn't answer that is who exactly are the malicious actors? What was it useful? Was it for trying to attack you in
to some kind of political activity or advertising?
JONES: Or financial.
SOARES: Or financial, identity theft and how long have they been in this for? So, more questions yet again as Facebook goes on this, you know, on
this tour to speak to journalists ahead of Congress next week.
JONES: Well, stay with us a second, Isa, we just flashed up to our viewers then some of the countries that have been worse effected by the scandal so
far again. I think we bring up that graphic again. You can see that the United States is, number one, more than 70 million Facebook users hit in
the U.S. Then it's the Philippines. And then Indonesia. Then followed by the U.K., Mexico and Canada as well. So, I'm wondering what individual
countries are now doing to try to protect their citizens and their citizens data.
SOARES: Well, you saw Australia already holding an investigation. We've also heard Indonesia, the communications minister there said they are
considering shutting Facebook altogether in each country. So, the long- term, I mean, if you look at the Facebook share price, it seems investors liked what Zuckerberg had to say, as he went on this transparency an
apology tour let's say yesterday. So, they like what they are hearing. So, we know they're making the right changes according to investors. They
are making -- they're targeting and they're closing in on these bad actors, let's say, and the privacy data.
What we don't know is how long this has been happening for. So, I think each country will have to look at specific case in terms of where the
privacy has been breached, and through the case of not just the United States, but here in the U.K., but also Australia.
[11:10:00] So, each country could take -- I mean, the long-term impact for Facebook is how many lawsuits they're going to have. And that is the
difficult part to predict.
JONES: And the priority now for Facebook is trying to rebuild the trust as well. And now we know Mark Zuckerberg will be giving evidence to bear
witness to Congress. Isa, thanks very much indeed.
Still to come on the program, Donald Trump is looking to withdraw U.S. troops from a war zone. While ordering an increased military presence
along the border of a neighbor. There is a lot going on there at the White House, but you're covered.
JONES: Welcome back. U.S. President Donald Trump has the weight of the world on his shoulders as he faces major challenges both at home and
abroad. First the war in Syria, big, big questions about the future of the U.S. mission there. After some seemingly mixed messages. Then there's the
possible trade war with China. We'll see how markets are reacting today.
Also, the president is sending National Guard troops to the Mexican border, even though illegal border crossings are actually down.
And finally, Robert Mueller's new move. We'll see who the special counsel in the Russia investigation has in his cross hairs this time round.
Let's begin though with Syria. President Trump says he wants U.S. troops out of the war. Now sources tell CNN he is irritated with his top military
brass and national security team who insist on mediate military withdrawal would be a bad idea. Another factor bothering Mr. Trump, the cost. Senior
officials say the president has complained at length about how much money the U.S. has been spending in the region without receiving anything in
return. Well, CNN's Fred Pleitgen is live in the Syrian capital, Damascus, for us. And our Ben Wedeman is live in Beirut. Fred, to you first. Aside
from what Donald Trump wants or doesn't want to get out of Syria perhaps the most pressing question should be, what do the Syrian people want after
seven years of hell and what they have endured? What do they want now?
FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, that a very tough question, Hannah. But I think that increasingly the United
States is not really seen as a factor at least for the future of what Syria is going to be like in the coming months but also in the coming years as
well. It really seems as though the U.S. has increasingly sidelined itself here in this conflict. That's been going on for a while, but it certainly
has accelerated after you have those comments from President Trump over the past couple of days -- almost over the past week.
[11:15:00] And it is interesting when you speak to, for instance, members of the Syrian military, the U.S. really doesn't seem to factor very much
into their plans and what they think they want to achieve in the future. He spoke to some who said, look, we want to win back all of our country.
Obviously, you still have U.S. forces here. As the moment that is possible, but they don't seem to believe that the U.S. is going to stay
here for a very long time.
Now as far as the Syrian civilians are concerned, I don't think that the question right now is what exactly they want. I think that they understand
that their living in a country right now where they are going to have to make arrangements with the fact that President Bashar al-Assad is going to
remain in power, that he's winning back more and more territory by the day. So, he's going to have a lot of power here in the state. And the strongest
outside players are going to be Russia, Iran and Turkey. So, I don't think that many Syrians really at this point in time talk very much about what
they want. But they certainly do understand the situation that they have. And the one that's crystallizing as to what this country is going to be
like in the future -- Hannah.
JONES: So interesting to get the perspective from inside Syria. But I want to go over to Ben Wedeman now. He's monitoring events for us in
Beirut at the moment. Ben, given what we have heard from Donald Trump and apparently his concerns about the cost of U.S. involvement in Syria. I'm
wondering what the return on investment is for those foreign players who are currently involved in the Syrian conflict, what are the spoils of war
for foreign states?
BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, unlike the United States it appears that Russia, Turkey and Iran who have a big stake
in Syria, have a very clear idea, strategy that they have been following and have been following for years. The American administration changed
certainly this administration. If you look at the statement by Donald Trump over the last few days, it's not at all clear what the United States
But, for instance, Russia, which has been supporting the government in Damascus now, since the 1950s, wants that government to stay. And since
the very decisive Russian intervention in the Syrian conflict in September of 2015, they have made that very clear. As they have a very direct
interest in keeping that government in place. Turkey has more than 800- kilometer border with Syria. And it's very clear they do not want the emergence of a Kurdish entity within that country.
Iran also has been a backer, a consistent backer of the government in Damascus since the 1979 Islamic revolution. It's very important for Iran
that government stays in place. It's the main link, for instance to Hezbollah here in Lebanon. So, all of them are pursuing decades-old
strategies in Syria while the Trump administration just seems to dither sending out signals there are friend and foe alike. There are 2,000 U.S.
troops in northern Syria ostensibly to fight ISIS. But the fight in ISIS is becoming diluted by the fact that the main American allies in that
region, the Kurds are now distracted by the Turkish invasion and occupation of Afrin. So, the Americans seem to be bumbling and stumbling around in
the dark while all the other players have very clear ideas of what they want and how to achieve them -- Hannah.
JONES: Ben, thanks very much indeed. I want to go back to you Fred Pleitgen who is still in Damascus. To Ben's point there about Trump's
seemingly dithering position on what to do about Syria and the U.S. involvement there. What kind of impact does that have on the ground then
for not just civilians but also the militant players there who are there, are they aware of America's position?
PLEITGEN: Yes, I think they're all aware of it. I honestly think that most of the civilians are aware of the American position and certainly the
outside players and inside players here know that as well. And I think it really has several pronged effects here in this country. On the one hand,
of course, it emboldens countries like Russia, Iran and Turkey who essentially now are talking about the future of Syria on their own. They
don't factor the United States into any of those talks. Certainly, the U.S. wasn't present at the talks that have been initiated by the Russians,
of course, supported by Turkey and the Iranians as well.
So, they're already planning for a future without the United States. And certainly, a lot of the opposition groups that were fighting against the
Syrian government have factored into that as well. A lot of them have lost a lot of their power. We've seen that in and around the Damascus area
where many of them have been bussed out to the north of the country which is essentially under Turkish control.
[11:20:00] And I think one of the really interesting things that has happened, we have to keep in mind that the powers in this country that have
the most influence, the Turks, the Iranians and the Russians, those are not natural allies. Those are countries that were at each other's throats,
especially the Russians and the Turks. They've somehow managed to compartmentalize their interests and to make sure that they both can keep
their influence in the country and push their agenda. While the U.S. really seems to be boxed out of that entire equation -- Hannah.
JONES: Thank you to both of you, Fred and Ben.
Let's move on then to another big challenge facing Mr. Trump right now. Possible trade war with China. Those fears actually easing, at least
somewhat today, as you can see from the markets at the moment. And the green arrow pointing upwards showing the Dow firmly in positive territory.
So why is Wall Street in a better mood now that it was just a few days ago? We'll ask our CNN's Clare Sebastian. She's live at the New York Stock
Exchange for us. So, the market is in more positive territory at the moment, Clare, is that because they are better prepared for the
unpredictability of the Trump administration?
CLARE SEBASTIAN, CNNMONEY CORRESPONDENT: That I a great question, Hannah. I think, certainly, they are getting used to this new modus operandi where
the president starts strong and then has advisers walk it back. Certainly, we're at session highs right now on the Dow. We have seen the risk
received from the market today and really what has helped turn that around is that this is trade negotiations playing out in live action. We have
seen top officials from both countries come out and say, look, we are ready to negotiate. Take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How do you think that you can resolve this issue with trade?
CUI TIANKAI, CHINESE AMBASSADOR TO U.S.: By working together.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And what about negotiations?
TIANKAI: Negotiations will still be our preference, but it takes two to tango.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And the U.S. has been playing tango on this one?
TIANKAI: We'll see what --
LARRY LUDLOW, U.S. NATIONAL ECONOMIC COUNCIL DIRECTOR: We not have any tariffs enacted yet. These are proposals and their part of the discussion
and negotiations. Senator Ernst is a key player. I suspect she's probably raising good points at the moment. Let's see how it plays out.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SEBASTIAN: Larry Kudlow is being seen down here as really the market whisperer. He's somebody that Wall Street knows and trusts. They listen
to him. But I think the question they're having to unpack now, Hannah, is how closely is this new economic advisor to the President? How closely is
he aligned with the President? Because look at what Donald Trump tweeted this morning. He said the fake news, "Washington Post" Amazons chief
lobbyist -- another swipe at Amazon there -- has another of many phony headlines. Trump defiant as China adds trade penalties. Wrong, it should
read Trump defiant as U.S. adds trade penalties.
So, the bottom line that you can take from there is that Trump is still defiant while all the while his top economic lieutenants are out placating
the market. Saying, look, everyone calm down, it hasn't happened yet. Will go to negotiate. So far, the markets are taking the economic advisors
at their words. But I still think we could see more volatility and on the issue trade.
JONES: And China definitely saying that it prefers negotiation. Clare, we will wait to see if it takes two to tango, rather, whether Donald Trump
will indeed dance along with the Chinese. Thanks very much indeed, Clare. We appreciate it.
Now some big developments in the investigation that Donald Trump simply wishes would go away. But instead the reach of special counsel, Robert
Mueller, appears to be expanding. Sources tell CNN investigators looking into the Trump campaign's ties to Russia are now questioning Russian
oligarchs as they follow the money trail. Two oligarchs were recently stop in the United States. One of them at a New York airport Robert Mueller
would also like to question Donald Trump as more than a witness in the investigation. But so far, the president hasn't decided whether to take
the step that many of his allies are warning against. CNN's Manu Raju has more.
MANU RAJU, CNN SENIOR CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): CNN has learned that during negotiations last month between Robert Mueller's team
and President Trump's lawyers. The special counsel said Trump is not a target of the investigation, at least for now. But the message was clear.
The President is more than just a witness as they seek to question Trump as part of the probe into Russian interference in the 2016 campaign.
Mueller's team also raised a prospect of drafting a report on any findings in the obstruction of justice part of the investigation. The President has
denied any collusion or obstruction. Trump also has not settled on whether or not to talk to the special counsel. The White House won't say if Trump
is still committed to speak under oath to Mueller.
SARAH SANDERS, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: The President is working in conjunction with his legal team and I can refer you to them.
RAJU: Fearing a trap, Trump confidants have urged the President not to sit down for an interview, but even some Republicans say he should talk to
Mueller if he has nothing hide.
REP TREY GOWDY (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: I would tell you if you did not rob the bank, there's no reason for you not to sit down and talk to the FBI
about the bank robbery. If you have nothing to hide, sit down, assuming a fair prosecutor, a fair prosecutor, and I think Mueller is, sit down and
tell him what you know.
[11:25:00] RAJU: All this comes as Roger Stone -- a long-time confidant of the President -- is facing new scrutiny. A CNN report raising new
questions about Stone's communications with WikiLeaks, which released hacked Clinton campaign e-mails during the 2016 election season. Stone has
denied having any direct talks with the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. But newly uncovered audio of Stone appearing on the "InfoWars" radio show
raises more questions about Stone's contradictory claims.
When he appeared on the radio program on August 4, 2016, Stone warned of, quote, devastating information from WikiLeaks about the Clinton Foundation
that would soon be released. He also said he had spoken to Trump a day before.
ROGER STONE, TO INFOWARS (audio): The Clinton campaign narrative that the Russians favor Donald Trump and the Russians favor Donald Trump and the
Russians are leaking this information. This is inoculation because as you said earlier, they know what is coming and it is devastating. Let's
remember that their defense to all the Clinton Foundation scandals has been, not that we didn't do it, has been you have no proof. Yes, but you
have no proof. Well, I think Julian Assange has that proof. And I think he's going furnish it for the American people.
RAJU: On the same day as the radio interview, Stone, according to a source familiar with the matter, sent an e-mail to former Trump adviser, Sam
Nunberg. Saying he dined with Assange and mentioned it in a phone call. Stone now says, that was all just ingest. This new revelation comes as
former Trump confidants continue to face scrutiny from investigators. A former business associate, Felix Sater, who was involved with the proposed
Trump Tower Moscow project during the 2016 campaign, questioned by staff and Senate intelligence committee. He has repeatedly denied any
And Trump's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, back in court on his own lawsuit, saying the federal charges he now faces exceed the scope of
Mueller's purview, since they allegedly occurred before the campaign. The judge has yet to rule on the Manafort lawsuit. Manu Raju, CNN, Washington.
JONES: Now to another issue, Mr. Trump is dealing with this time is illegal immigration. He has ordered National Guard troops to the
U.S./Mexican border. Mexico's foreign ministry said it has been notified and the troops won't be armed. But it says militarizing the border would
seriously harm relations. President Trump remains impassioned about a border wall. He sent an e-mail out asking his supporters to sign a
petition. He promised to do everything in the power to secure the border until the wall is built. CNN's Jeff Zeleny pressed the U.S. homeland
security secretary on why this is so urgent.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: I'm not sure I understand what the urgency for this is. It seems like it ramped up just
over the last several days. And since the weekend.
KIRSTJEN NIELSON, U.S. HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY: I think, you know, what I would say is that the numbers continue to increase. April
traditionally is a month in which we see more folks crossing the border without a legal right to do so. So partly it's modeling, partly it's
anticipating. We are seeing more and more advertising, very unfortunately by the traffickers and smugglers to our south. Specific to how to get
around our system and enter our country and stay.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
JONES: Over the past few days, Mr. Trump has been fuming about a so-called caravan of migrants making its way through Mexico. CNN's Leyla Santiago
caught up with some of those migrants in the city of Pueblo.
LEYLA SANTIAGO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: While President Trump and even the Mexican government has said that the large group of people marching north
in Mexico has been dispersed or disbanded. The organizers and the participants themselves are telling us they will continue north. Here's
the proof. Here they are. These are some of the participants. They tell me they are from Central America, Guatemala, El Salvador as well as
Honduras. And many coming from Honduras telling us they are fleeing a violent political corruption as well as poverty trying to make their way
north. Now, the majority of these people tell us that they are going to continue to the U.S./Mexico border in an attempt to get to the U.S. And
they say it doesn't matter what President Trump says or if President Trump sends the National Guard to the U.S./Mexico border, they will find a way to
Now, the organizers tell us that many of them will ask and will seek asylum at the U.S./Mexico border. But Mexico has actually offered some people on
humanitarian grounds to have permission to stay in this country. Some of the participants of this march are choosing that option and will be staying
in Mexico. But the organizers of this march say they will continue north. That the march continues despite what government officials may say. Leyla
Santiago, CNN, Pueblo, Mexico.
JONES: Leyla, thank you.
[11:30:00] All right, still to come on CONNECT THE WORLD.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DANIEL KNOLL, MIREILLE KNOLL'S SON: I think she wants that the people go together.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
JONES: A message of unity after a hateful crime. What the son of a murdered holocaust survivor wants in the wake of his mother's death. That
is coming up after this break.
JONES: Good morning you're watching CNN. This is CONNECT THE WORLD with me, Hannah Vaughan Jones. Welcome back.
And turning to France now in the senseless murder of an 85-year-old Jewish woman. Mireille Knoll, a holocaust survivor was stabbed 11 times in her
apartment last month. Police are investigating her murder as an act of anti-Semitism. Our own Melissa Bell spoke with Mireille's son about his
mother and what her death means for France.
MELISSA BELL, CNN PARIS CORRESPONDENT: Mireille Knoll survived the holocaust but was killed on March 23 at the age of 85 in a brutal anti-
Semitic attack that shocked the world. Less than two weeks on, her son wants to speak for her.
KNOLL: I think she wants that the people go together. That our friends, our neighbors, even with that they go all together.
BELL: And get together they did. In the thousands they marched through the streets of Paris on March 28th to condemn anti-Semitism and to remember
[11:35:00] KNOLL: I am surprised that all the world is in shock. But it's not normal. And what's happened to my mother is hateful, it so criminal.
A nice woman that loved everybody. The guy known her since he's seven and he kill. Where are we? I have no explanation.
BELL: Mireille had lived in this apartment block for more than 20 years. On March 23rd, she was stabbed 11 times and then burned as the culprits
tried to set fire to her apartment. Daniel had tried to warn his mother about one of the men accused of killing her. A 28-year-old known to
police. According to the Knoll families lawyer citing sources close to the investigation. He shouted Allah Akbar as he carried out the attack.
KNOLL: She received a -- boy that killed her. That's crazy. She likes him. Until the end she likes him, and she drinks a bottle with him.
BELL: Mireille knows life didn't simply end with anti-Semitism, it began with it. During the Nazi occupation of France, she escaped Paris and the
concentration camps only thanks to her mother's Brazilian passport. But her son says it is a different sort of anti-Semitism that killed her.
KNOLL: It is not only France. It's all Europe. We have a problem. It's a pity to say that, but it's the truth. And we have to fight against this
minority of Muslim people. And I hope that our Muslim friends will fight against this monster. We have to. If not, we are finished.
BELL (on camera): How will you remember your mother?
KNOLL: She believes in people. She was so friendly with everybody. All her life she was like that.
My mother was wonderful.
BELL: Melissa Bell, CNN, Paris.
JONES: Quote, it's not only France, it's all of Europe. We have a problem. Those are the words you just heard from Mireille Knoll's son.
Earlier it was a topic of debate on "CNN TALK." The question puts the panel and Facebook audience is anti-Semitism on the rise Europe? Well,
here's Rachel Shapie (ph), a journalist and author. And Steven Pollack of the "Jewish Chronicle," along with my colleague, Max Foster.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it has been a tipping point for some time. And one of the ways we are seeing it manifested is over anti-Semitism. But
I think there is a wider picture here where, you know, the elements of Islamist extremism is actually mirroring -- it is the mirror image of the
elements of the far-right extremism that we see that is very Islamophobia propelled. That we see across Europe. They are mirror images of one
another. In that they are both frantically intolerant of coexistence. The far-right that hates Islam. And the Islamic jihadists that attack Jews in
They both hate the concept of coexistence. Of citizenship that is premised on integration, on people living with one another. And they are both
fueling each other in a really malevolent and poisonous way. And I think that unless we actually deal with whole picture of that, that does involve
the far-right, that does involve a lot of far-right activity which, you know anti-extremism experts after some time began saying, look, the fastest
growing menace online when it comes to extremism, is not jihadi, it's far right. And we need to do something about that.
MAX FOSTER, CNN HOST CNN TALK: Serge is speaking to this on Facebook. It is more of a right-wing populism in the West. It's an anti-minority or
anti-outsider. It's a dangerous if not checked. Do you think we're losing control to this extremism on both ends?
STEVEN POLLACK, JEWISH CHRONICLE: I think Rachel is right in that you look across Europe where there are problems, and there are problems pretty much
everywhere, and there are extremist right-wing movements that are coming politically. You're looking at Germany where you've got the alliance for
Deutschland. You look in Hungry where you've got the Prime Minister using -- implicitly, explicitly, whatever you want to say, anti-Semitic language.
Talking about the foreign financiers and people who move capital and money who don't really belong.
FOSTER: Yes, the attack on George Soros.
POLLACK: You look everywhere. You look in Poland at the new law that they've past, that bans associating the holocaust with Poles. Which is
explicit. It's sort of a nudge or a wink, it's the Jews were talking about. You look across pretty much every European country. Look even
where it's always been an issue in places like Latvia and Lithuania.
[11:40:04] Where they have every year the marches of support for people who used to fight alongside the Nazis. And it's emerging once again.
JONES: We're staying in Europe on some alarming statistics right here in London. Last night two people were murdered in the city pushing the total
number of murders here so far this year above 50. Now that is a shocking figure for London. An international city known for its relatively low
crime rate most of the time. Most of these killings involve stabbings. Politicians are scrambling for explanations and solutions right now.
And this just into CNN that we want to update you on a fire that has engulfed several floors of the hospital in Istanbul in Turkey. Reports,
quote, firefighters say that it has been brought under control and crucially there are no casualties after patients were evacuated. We will
continue to monitor this story and bring you more details on it as soon as we have any more information.
Live from London, this is CONNECT THE WORLD. Coming up, saving face and keeping faith as Mark Zuckerberg prepares to go in front of lawmakers. We
ask, how far can we truly trust tech companies?
JONES: Welcome back. Let get more on one of our top stories right now. Facebook's mounting privacy problem. As we told you, most of the companies
2 billion users could be vulnerable. Now bear in mind, that's more in the population of any single nation on earth. And Facebook isn't the only tech
giant currently under much scrutiny. Earlier this year, investor and philanthropist, George Soros, singled out both Facebook and Google saying
they've become, quote, obstacles to innovation and are a menace to society's whose "days are numbered". Let's get more on our changing
relationship then with technology with Rachel Bosman. Author of "Who Can You Trust, How Technology Brought Us Together and Why It May Drive Us
Apart." Rachel's in the studio with me. Thanks so much for coming in. With all of the scandals at the moment and trust issues, should we care.
Should all of us be concerned about our digital imprint and how it's being used?
RACHEL BOTSMAN, AUTHOR, "WHO CAN YOU TRUST?": We should care, I mean I think this Facebook story is really interesting and that it's broken in the
way it has, because it's not a new story. We've known this since 2015. And I think people are finally fed up. They are like, our lives are your
business model. And this is the issue that we swipe, and we clicked and accept these terms and conditions without really thinking about what's
being tracked in lives and how that data is being used.
JONES: Does it matter who is handling our data? I mean, we talk about whether it is the good guys or bad guys. Once trust is gone, then the
damages done and we're all vulnerable?
BOTSMAN: Yes, I mean, that's an interesting question. I find the whole delete Facebook thing really interesting.
[11:45:00] JONES: In the #DeleteFacebook.
BOTSMAN: Yes, I mean, deleting WhatsApp. Deleting Instagram.
JONES: It doesn't matter if you deleted anything because presumably everything is stored anyway for someone to be able to buy.
BOTSMAN: Exactly it's like one big connected ecosystem. And I think that's what worries me is consumer ignorance but also apathy. So, yes, I'm
not defending Facebook and the big tech companies. They have to do a lot better job. And they have to change their incentive model. The fact that
98 percent of the revenue is on advertising means that their data is our business. But we as users I think we're living in this age where it's kind
of like trust on speed. I do it I click. I accept. I share. And often we let convenience trump trust. So, we don't really think about what we're
giving away and the implications of that.
JONES: George Soros, I mention there in the introduction, saying that these tech companies their days are numbered. I know you've written about
the so-called tech backlash by users. Is this an overnight thing or something that's been building for some time?
BOTSMAN: It's been building for some time. I was actually at Davos at world forum when he said that. And it was really interesting because I was
on these panels and the leaders were just getting slammed. And I think they're realize that they've come out of this sort of, you know, that
they've been in this world where they can just innovate, and it is cool. And now people are actually saying, hang on a minute, you have to take
accountability of what happens on your platforms. You know, you're not just these pathways that connect users. And sometimes big things have to
happen like the U.S. election or Brexit for us to realize where this could end up. And that is really the worry for me is where is the line.
JONES: Is there an argument to say that having our data used more widely is actually a good thing? It enhances our lives. I mean, we've been on
this sort of data revolution for the last 20 years or so and some people would say it actually makes us happier. It does what Facebook initially
wanted us to do in the first place, which was to bring communities together, sharing information and enhancing lives.
BOTSMAN: Yes, I mean, I think there are so many ways where you can think, like Netflix, for example. Netflix is built on an algorithm your sharing
that data of your viewing habits, all kinds of things. It comes down to what people are uncomfortable around is who actually owns the data. And if
people are selling the data for purposes that we are not in control of that's what makes us feel uncomfortable.
I think we also are worried that we are ending up in a culture of mass surveillance. So, I don't know if you read about what is going on in China
where now every citizen will have a social score, a trust score. And they are tracking, you know, what you eat for lunch, what you bought online,
whether you played video games. What you do in those video games, where you went on video or Uber. Who your dating online. And all this feeds
into a score on your life. Now they just banned more than 4 million Chinese people from taking airplanes because their trust score was too low.
JONES: Who's they?
BOTSMAN: The Chinese government. Now it's really easy to say well that's never going to happen in the U.S. But that data is sitting there to make
judgments about our lives. So, I think that's the wake-up call is where does this stop? Where's the line?
JONES: Yes, fascinating stuff. Rachel, thank you so much for coming in and talking to us about it. We appreciate it.
Facebook's privacy problem has been dominating the tech world. The titans of Silicon Valley have also had a high-profile visitor this week. The
Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia has been meeting media entertainment and tech execs in California. Here he is with Virgin, Richard Branson. And Walt
Disney CEO Robert Iger. It seems Mohammad bin Salman will be bringing a bit of Hollywood magic back home with him as well. The biggest movie
theater chain in the U.S. is set to bring the silver screen back to the kingdom. After 35 years, AMC will open Riyadh's first movie theater later
The countries general entertainment chief Ahmed Al Khateeb has been talking to our Richard Quest.
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AHMED AL KHATEEB, CHAIRMAN, SAUDI ARABIAN GENERAL ENTERTAINMENT AUTHORITY: It is part of the 23 division. We are planning to create a vibrant
society, terrific economy. We want to capture the Saudi spending outside the country, which is approximately $20 billion a year. They spent it on
entertainment and tourism. Therefore, we are planning to diversify our economy. We are planning to bring happiness to the country and we are
planning to create jobs. These are drivers to focus on entertainment and bring the best entertainment options from outside to the country.
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JONES: Live from London, this is CONNECT THE WORLD. Still to come on the program. Fancy spending your holiday here? It won't happen any time soon.
Find out why the Philippines is banning tourists from this paradise island.
And the dominant performance from an underdog. Liverpool takes the upper hand in the England Champions League quarterfinal. All the details.
[11:50:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
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Boracay in the Philippines, and it's no kicking visitors off this very popular tourist island for six months in order to clean the place up. The
Philippine president, Rodrigo Duterte, even going so far as to call it a cesspool because of raw sewage. Lovely.
A Bollywood superstar is appealing a five-year prison sentence he received just a few hours ago for animal poaching. Prosecutors say that Salman
Khan, who you can see here in the black shirt, killed two black buck antelopes while working on a film back in 1998
Finally, tonight from the world of football, Manchester City has been all but unstoppable this season, except, that is, when they travel to
Liverpool. Last night they visited Anfield for a Champions League quarterfinal match and got a rough reception on and off the pitch. Before
the match, some unfortunate, certainly fierily scenes. Manchester City's team bus was pelted with bottles, cans and flares forcing the team to get a
replacement bus. The Liverpool's manager apologized and then Liverpool's players, well, they ran right. A three-goal burst put them in a commanding
position. But as they point out, there's still another leg to be played.
Our Patrick Snell joins us from the CNN Center. And Patrick, before we talk about what happened on the pitch, there's this thuggery in the English
game which football fans and observers from the outside would be ashamed, perhaps surprised to see still exists.
PATRICK SNELL, CNN SPORTS REPORTER: In this case, Hannah, it's a merit of a few at Anfield last night. But it's those few that are a real shame
really put a damp and tarnish on the image of what went down before a superb performance by Liverpool in that Champions League quarterfinal.
That is really disappointing, no question about that. The club Manchester City would come out saying it didn't affect their players, but the
performance though it really was poor. We'll get to that in a minute.
I can update you with the latest UEFA, the European football's governing body, has charged Liverpool football club in connection with a whole string
of incidents that include the fireworks being set off, acts of damage and crowd disturbances as well. So that's the latest on that. It really did
overshadow the build up to that game. And as you said, in your introduction there, that bus, that team bus could not be used again. They
had to get a replacement bus to take them back to Manchester, some 35 miles away.
JONES: And couldn't what have happened with bus and the fans actions before had actually impacted on how the Manchester team played?
[11:55:00] SNELL: You would think that it was a possibility. And it's hard to know, it's hard to get inside the private thoughts of individual
players. But as a club, Pep Guardiola, although he did address the situation, didn't actually use that as a reason for his team's performance.
I will say uncharacteristically, they started very slowly in the game. They just looked nervous at times. They looked off the pace. But I really
want to give credit to Liverpool for an outstanding performance. And perhaps we shouldn't be too surprised, Hannah, because in the league game
earlier this year, Liverpool were at one point 4-1 up in that Premier League before going on to close out a 4-3 victory. That's the only Premier
League loss that Manchester City have actually suffered this season. As both head coaches though did warning it is only effectively halftime.
There still a second leg to come. This tie is not yet over -- Hannah.
JONES: No, it's not over until it's over. Patrick Snell, thank you so much. We appreciate it.
I'm Hannah Vaughan Jones. Thank you so much for watching CONNECT THE WORLD. See you soon.