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[18:00:25] RITA COSBY, GUEST HOST, HLN CRIME AND JUSTICE: And good evening, everybody, I`m Rita Cosby, in for Ashleigh Banfield, and this is

"Crime and Justice".

Tonight in Alabama, a former military man is behind bars, for allegedly killing his wife. A suburban mom with a sexy side job, a modeling gig for

adult websites. Now he is trying to get out of jail. Producer Kyle Peltz has the update.

KYLE PELTZ, CRIME AND JUSTICE PRODUCER: Police say he killed her with a bottle of liquor. Apparently leaving her half naked on a road, but now a

woman has come forward saying he is innocent and she may know the killer.

COSBY: Thanks, Kyle.

And also tonight, we have the pictures and the 911 call from the night that a jealous hunch went haywire. A Washington woman allegedly taking a

samurai sword to her boyfriend, because she thought he was cheating. Bernice Man is covering that story. Bernice?

BERNICE MAN, CRIME AND JUSTICE PRODUCER: Rita, we have got three suicide notes, crazy internet searches, and a plot inspired by a movie. The guy at

the wrong end of that plot, the one who is nearly stabbed to death, joins us tonight with the details.

COSBY: We`ll be following that. Thanks Bernice.

And also tonight, the fitness trainer caught on camera buying a shovel the night that he is accused of killing a woman that he met at two bars.

Justin Freiman is on that one. Justin?

JUSTIN FREIMAN, SR. PRODUCER, HLN CNN: That`s right. Video just shown to the jury shows that suspect at a Walmart in the middle of the night buying

a shovel, but how does that tie him to a possible murder? And what about the other woman who had a restraining order out on him? Why won`t the jury

hear about that? Find out.

COSBY: We certainly will.

And later, the San Diego man accused of doing the unthinkable to his co- worker before stuffing her body in a suitcase. And dumping it, then, in a trash bin. He says that he didn`t do it, but all the disturbing details

are coming out in court.

But first, everybody, to the courtroom in Shelby County, Alabama where the husband of that woman who moonlighted on an adult site was trying to knock

down his bond. Even though he is accused of killing his wife, on a date night that turned really deadly. Police arrested Jeff West just several

weeks after a neighbor found Kat West`s body, saying she was half on the street and half on the lawn, and not to mention, half naked with a green

bottle and a cell phone nearby.

And police say he hit her on the head with a bottle. But her family believes that she fell. They say their daughter was a drunk who often got

naked and took some tumbles. They say this tumble just happened to be fatal. And they say that their son-in-law Jeff is simply a wrongly accused

widower.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mrs. Martin, just tell us one more question. Why are you supporting him?

NANCY MARTIN: Because he didn`t do this. He is a good man, and there`s no way. He loved her with all his heart. She could have fallen and hit her

head. I trust him with my whole heart. After she passed away, he lived in my house with Lola for four weeks. If I thought he had did that, would I

let him live in our house with her? No. I trust him completely, absolutely. I just want people to understand, he didn`t do this. There`s

no way.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s a tragedy.

MARTIN: There`s no way. That he`s is a good man and he didn`t do this. I absolutely believe that with all my heart.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: And, again, that is the victim`s mother speaking there, very bizarre. And joining me now is Carol Robinson, she is a public safety

reporter with AL.com, we also have psychologist, Tiffany Sanders and medical and forensic pathologist, one of the best one out there, Dr.

William Morrone, and also defense attorney, Troy Slaten. Let me start if I could with Carol, with AL.com, this is the most bizarre thing I could ever

think of, Carol, that is her mother speaking. Walk us through, is the mother brainwashed, or what`s going on there?

CAROL ROBINSON, PUBLIC SAFETY REPORTER, AL.COM: I can`t tell you enough how surprised we were when this all unfolded in court. You know, the

hearing was held, Jeff West`s father testified, you know, that he would help with bond, that he thought he should be released on bond. Then they

called Kat West`s mother, Nancy Martin to the stand and he also testified that if she could, she would do anything she could to help him post bond.

After the hearing was over, and he was denied a bond reduction, both mothers walked out in the hall together. And let me go back and say, that

during the hearing they were often the mothers were holding hands. You know, --

COSBY: That is the most bizarre thing, Carol, so bizarre when I hear this. I mean, I`ve covered so many cases, Carol, I mean, to have the mother --

but he stayed with the mother after she was found dead, right, after his precious woman was found dead?

ROBINSON: Yes, correct.

COSBY: Absolutely bizarre.

ROBINSON: They walked out in the hall, and I asked him if they wanted to talk. I did not expect either one of them to comment. And they opened up.

COSBY: Yes, for sure. Tell us again what happened. Because as we see this woman, and she is a mom, but she certainly had another life, as we`re

seeing in these pictures here, she had a bit of a wild side.

ROBINSON: She did. And, you know, I think probably everybody knows the story by now that they had gone out on a date night, and it ended with her

dead, found at 5:00 the next morning with a bottle of Lucid Absinthe, near her on top of the cell phone.

COSBY: And that is the bizarre thing. By the way, the cell phone, let`s walk through the cell phone, because, tell us again, there`s the cell phone

by the body and the bottle`s on top?

ROBINSON: Correct. That is -- as far as I know, I`m the only person to have interviewed the two people -- well, yes, both people that found her.

It was a 19-year-old girl. And then her -- she went and got her father, because she was frightened. And he came back in his car and shined the

headlights on her and they got out to check -- you know, check on this person who was Kat West. And they said there was -- and he demonstrated it

for me. He said there was a cell phone nearby with a bottle, you know, strategically placed on top of it. Neither end of the bottle was touching

the street. It deliberately was balanced on the phone.

COSBY: Absolutely bizarre. And what is he saying happened that night? Because, Carol, what I find so bizarre about this, and it`s the behavior.

He had some very strange behavior when he claims, I guess, that his wife was found half naked in the street near his home.

ROBINSON: Right, well, he is saying, through his family, his family is saying that he is saying, that he took a couple shots of the Lucid

Absinthe, and went to bed. He said, he woke up at some point and their dogs and cats had been placed in the bedroom with him, and the door was

shut. And the next thing he knows the police were banging on his door. What the witnesses told me was that he walked out into the street while

they were checking on Kat, and he said what`s going on? That is my wife. And they said, you know, she is dead, and he put out a cigarette, and

turned around and walked to get back in the house.

COSBY: Absolutely bizarre. Let`s go to the medical examiner and forensic expert. Dr. William Morrone, Dr. Morrone, when you hear this -- how do you

piece together, because clearly cops think he did it. He says, oh it just happened to be there, and, oh, that is my wife, that`s a little bizarre

behavior. But from a forensic standpoint, it seems like they`ve got something, they said there was something key, Dr. Morrone, forensically

that tied him to the case. What would you be looking for?

WILLIAM MORRONE, D.O., MEDICAL EXAMINER AND FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: What I would be looking for is this bottle is at the center of the evidence in the

crime scene. He admits to drinking it. It is linked as a murder weapon. And there`s two big things forensically in her autopsy that they`re going

to look for. When a bottle strikes the skull, let`s just say, you know, this is a bottle of peaches, and it strikes the skull, there`s a very

specific marks on the skin where the depth, the belly of the bottle hits the skin. There is no direct bruise, but the bruises are on either side.

And they`re the specific width of the bottle. That shows the impact of a bottle on the skin of the skull.

Below the skull, then you have the belly of the bottle causing a fracture, a pathological fracture. We have some fractures or separations in our

skull that are natural. They`re called sutures. These sutures create different areas of the skull that we have different names for. If a bottle

hits the skull hard enough to cause fracture, you have to say can a person do that themselves? Can a person do that by falling on a bottle? Or did

that bottle have to swing and hit them? That`s how they are going to weigh that.

[18:10:00] COSBY: Could you likely tell the difference? That is what I was going to ask you, could you likely tell the difference? Because, Dr.

Morrone, he is saying she suddenly fell, that she use to drinks a lot, and that she fell. Could you tell the difference between someone who fell and

the likely sort of falling on the bottle and it suddenly pops and ends up on the cell phone.

That`s a whole other issue and I am going to get that to the defense attorney, but in this particular case, suddenly the bottle which somehow

landed on the cell phone, say she just fell, could you see the marking from someone who just fell, versus a bottle getting hit on your head, which is

what prosecutors believe happened.

MORRONE: The actual energy involved in swinging a bottle to hit somebody in the skull to cause the damage that would lead to blood force trauma

death, really exceeds like 30 to 45 feet of -- if somebody fell four or five feet, you`d have a bruise, you might even have a small fracture. But

the energy impact to kill somebody would have the energy of somebody falling 35 to 40 feet. And that, you can`t introduce by falling three,

four, five, feet on a bottle on the ground. And that is the impact data that they`re going to calculate. That will be the difference.

COSBY: Let`s bring in defense attorney, Troy Slaten. Troy, when you hear this, prosecutors say it was the bottle. It`s this thing called Green

Ferry Absinthe, that sort of the nickname it used to be very strong stuff, Troy. Hallucinogenic and then suddenly the bottle miraculously pops on top

of a cell phone by her body. That is how it was found. So, if that is the case and you`re defending this guy, and you heard from Dr. Morrone, it`s

kind of clear, when you can tell when someone is hit on the head versus what happened to a fall, what do you do, Troy?

TROY SLATEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: We look at all the other things having to do with the case. Yes, it looks bad that his are the only fingerprints on

this bottle of poison, Absinthe, a very strong drug as you say. But, this is man, 21 years in the military, ex-law enforcement, no criminal record at

all. She has a history of drinking--

COSBY: Troy, Troy, the wife is dead -- the wife is dead and he goes, oh, OK, that is a shame, basically, let me go back to sleep. That doesn`t

sound like a guy who`s too worried about his wife, Troy.

SLATEN: This is a woman who had tens of thousands of people following her on the internet, looking at her scantily clad clothing --

COSBY: Oh, wait a minute. You`re going to blame the victim, Troy, shame on you, shame on you, Troy Slaten, don`t you go there.

SLATEN: No, I`m not blaming the victim. No, no, no, Rita, I`m blaming the victim, what I am saying is there`s a whole internet full of people that

could possibly be a suspects in this case --

COSBY: Right and --

SLATEN: Maybe she didn`t --

COSBY: And then -- and then he just didn`t care and went back to sleep.

SLATEN: Look, there`s no -- there`s no playbook on how a person is exactly supposed to act in a very traumatic situation.

COSBY: No, but there`s -- you know what there is, Troy, there`s common sense. Let me go to someone else who has little more common sense.

Tiffany Sanders, psychologist, tell me first of all, there`s a whole bunch of looney tunes in this story, because the mother, her mother, after all of

this, and yes, she did have some crazy things in her background, I`ll give that to Troy, not much will I give, but I will give him that, but in this

case the mother defending him, even though cops say they got the case on him. That is bizarre.

TIFFANY SANDERS, PH.D., PSYCHOLOGIST: It is very bizarre. And one of the reasons she is likely defender him, is because that is her son-in-law and

she is in denial he would ever commit such a crime. She wants, you know, to love on him. She wants to believe that he is innocent. You just lost

your daughter. And so that denial, which is one of the very first stages of grief, is very difficult to manage and to cope. So she is not trying to

paint her son-in-law as a murder. Because, again, this is somebody she let into her home for four weeks, Rita. So, she wants to sort of have in her

mind, even her own sort of fantasy that even --

COSBY: Tiffany, she went even further. What`s so bizarre about this case, and this is so unusual and I think all of us here had covered so many

different cases, she actually said, listen, if there was a video of him actually killing her, which there isn`t, but if there was, I still wouldn`t

believe it. I mean, she sounds like she is brainwashed, Tiffany.

SANDERS: Yes, it sounds like she is brainwashed. And my first thought was, does she have some sort of attraction to him, you know, does she has a

secret sort of lover, you know, in her mind? Why would she not believe him? Why would she not, you know, look at the evidence and truly believe

that he is guilty? So, I wonder about her own mental faculties here. But my first thought is, denial, anger, the grief. Those are just common

stages of grief, Rita. And that is probably what she is dealing with.

COSBY: Yes, boy, she is dealing with a lot. And, everyone, thank you.

And coming up next, there is nothing more dangerous than a jilted girlfriend, unless it`s a jilted girlfriend armed with a samurai sword.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, where is the knife?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s by him. I used a sword.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You used a sword? OK.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: And now we`re learning more about the suicide notes that cops say she left behind, and her supposed plan to plead guilty.

[18:20:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COSBY: Hello, everybody, I`m Rita Cosby in for Ashleigh. Well, the dating apps on his phone, the scratch marks on his back, and the red hair in the

shower. According to police, that is all it took for a 30-year-old Washington woman to attack her live-in boyfriend with a samurai sword,

thinking that he was cheating on her. Officers say she stabbed him while he was sleeping before calling the cops on herself.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 911, can I help you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just stabbed my boyfriend.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is the address there?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (BEEP) Camas Washington, I think he is dying. I think he`s dying, you got to hurry up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tell me what happened.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I stabbed him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is he awake?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s dead. I think he is dead. You need to hurry.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is your name?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Emily.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, Emily, I need to get some help started. I`m splitting the call.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think he`s dead.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: And tonight, we are seeing for the first time what Emily Javier looked like after the attack, after we`re learning what cops say led her to

imagine this massacre for weeks, buying the sword at a mall inspired by a movie after her boyfriend started to ignore her.

And with me now to talk about all of this is Emily Javier`s ex-boyfriend Alex Lovell, also we have radaronline.com, senior reporter, Alexis

Tereszcuk and defense attorney, still with me, Troy Slaten.

Alexis, just set it up exactly what happened, because this is so bizarre that she apparently, what, first went to get a gun and then switched to a

samurai sword?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, SENIOR REPORTER, RADARONLINE.COM: She did. Emily, went to buy a gun, because she says she found a Tinder App, OK, keep it up,

which are dating apps. Sign, but not affiliating with somebody, so she was furious with him. Then she said she found some red hair in the shower

which she thought might have been another woman. So, she decided, she came up with a scheme, she search online on different ways to looked up how to

kill somebody.

She went to buy a gun, and there was a ten-day waiting period in this case. So she was not able to purchase the gun. Instead she went to special store

and she bought a samurai sword, this huge sword which she told him it was a present for more brother. She goes home, she waits for him to fall asleep,

by the time and then she starts to swing it at him, stabs him over and over, slices into him, leaves him on the ground of the bedroom, she is

wearing only a t-shirt, nothing else, covered in blood, and then she goes calls 911 saying that he`s dead.

COSBY: You know, Alexis, it was so bizarre, there are some report, that she used -- it was in the dark, but she uses a cell phone light to find his

neck?

TERESZCUK: Exactly and she had actually researched the best place, according to the searches on the computer, the best places to stab somebody

that would do them the most damage. So, yes, she uses her cellphone, it is dark. He is sleeping. They are both, well, he thought they are both

asleep and she is swinging away.

COSBY: How bizarre. Let`s go to the ex-boyfriend now, Alex Lovell. Alex, first of all, thank you so much for joining us. I can`t even imagine just

how terrifying it must have been. You were asleep. And then what was going on in your mind? You woke up, and what were you seeing, what were

you experiencing?

ALEX LOVELL, EX-GIRLFRIEND ALLEGEDLY ATTACKED HIM: Well, a lot of that stuff you just mentioned is all new to me. But, you know, at first it just

was a -- just being woken up by kind of a blunt object hitting you. She hit me with the wrong side of the sword a couple times, which, you know,

ended up saving my life and kind of giving me a chance to fight for my life, you know, once I was awake. But yeah, it was just, you know, just

terrifying. You know, I don`t really remember that kind of -- I don`t remember the part from when I woke up to -- you know, I was kind of

tackling her into a TV and we kind of were wrestling around on the ground, and I was able to convince her to call the cops. You know, she kind of

snapped out of it which was, you know, thank god for that. So, I don`t remember the other question.

COSBY: What was she saying to you? I can`t even imagine.

LOVELL: She was yelling like, you cheated on me, like I found the Tinder App on your phone, which was a complete lie. You know, all the stuff. And

it`s all the stuff that she had been saying like previously in the months prior. I was just like, listen, you know, you need to trust me, or you

need to like move out, because this is not going to work out if you`re not doing this. So, apparently she decided to try to kill me instead, so--

COSBY: How are you doing, Alex? How are you doing?

LOVELL: I`m doing really well. Like, you know, it`s remarkable how fast your body recovers. I basically had my right foot cut in half. I had

three fingers cut off pretty much all the way. My knee was sliced pretty good. The top of my shin, I mean, I don`t know the anatomy there, but

there was tendons that were cut and stuff off my knee. But everything is - - I`m able to walk around a little bit, you know, like I said, my right foot basically got cut in half. So that -- you know, but everything is all

healed up and, you know, the pain has gone away and I`m off all my pain meds for the most part. And, you know, things are going really well. You

know, I`m able to move my fingers that were cut off. So, yes, everything`s good on my end.

COSBY: You are a trooper, Alex, and thank god that you`re OK. And thank you so much for joining with us. Stay with us, if you could. I want to

bring in the defense attorney, Troy Slaten, and, Troy, I want to show, because she is claiming, you know, just sort of had this fit of rage,

thought he was cheating on her, you just heard from the boyfriend, he wasn`t even cheating, and by her own account it was a red hair in the

shower. So when you hear this, Troy, I mean, come on, and she bought the samurai sword. What, was she was kind of hanging out with a samurai sword?

She applied for a gun licensed, didn`t want to wait for 10 days, so then sense before she bought-- she sees it in a movie, Bond Girl, and decides to

do this. This is pretty meditation, come on Troy.

SLATEN: Well, good thing for that 10-day waiting period.

COSBY: Yes.

SLATEN: But anyhow, normally, in a case like this, the defense will try and use something like heat of passion, which is when you catch your lover

cheating. That is going to be a really difficult defense here, because it wasn`t in the moment. She was planning it. She was premeditating it like

you said. She had the time and the aforethought to write out notes to her best friend, to her parents.

COSBY: Yes, in fact, let me show some of the notes, Troy. Let me show it. This is a note that she wrote, this is to the best friend, and also to an

ex-husband, too. By the way, part of her plan was to kind of hang out with the ex-husband, go to Hawaii and come back. That is what everybody does

after they try to kill somebody. But anyway, here`s some of the notes. And you`re just seeing one, there`s nothing to explain, I caught him

cheating and he is f-ing dead, that`s a suicide note that she left for a best friend.

She wrote the notes. And then let me also put up, too, because she was doing searches, Troy, authorities went through -- went on her cell phone.

And it wasn`t like she just randomly, oh, let`s do this. Look right here. She was doing searches, female prisons, and drownings. Now, this is my

favorite, the third one there, boyfriends that don`t get their girlfriends presents on Valentine`s Day, stabbing in the neck. Those are things just

people casually do, Troy, come on, this looks so bad for her, Troy.

SLATEN: It does look bad for her. But I think that her ex-boyfriend, the victim here, really set up her defense. And that is at a certain moment --

COSBY: Like, here`s my injury, here is my injury that is a great defense, Troy?

COSBY: No, the defense is what he said is, she finally snapped out of it. She was probably having some sort of psychotic episode.

COSBY: The problem is, Troy, you could use that excuse, but it`s hard to use that when she did all these searches, you can`t say, OK, it was heat of

the moment. You could say, if he said, listen, there was no searches, she didn`t leave the notes. Maybe you could pull that fast one on us. But

you`ve got a problem with what happened beforehand.

SLATEN: Rita, you can be competent and then have a psychotic break and then be competent again. The experts, which this will be a battle of the

experts, will have opine on at the moment that she was committing the crime, did she -- was she able to tell right from wrong, was she able to

appreciate the wrongfulness of her acts at that moment?

COSBY: Well, she certainly knew enough to like, let me turn on the cell phone to see where the neck is, so I can do this correctly. She certainly

seemed to be quite cognizant in that moment.

SLATEN: That doesn`t look good for her, all of those searches are bad evidence and could show consciousness of guilt.

COSBY: Absolutely. Let`s go to Alexis Tereszcuk. Alexis, where does it go from here? What is she charged with?

TERESZCUK: She is charged with first degree attempted murder. Here is the thing though, there is a -- she spilled everything to the police. As soon

as they arrested her, soon as they even found her, she was talking about it, I did it, I killed him. I wanted to kill him. She didn`t know, I

guess that he was still alive. She just said I was so angry at him. I was sick of the way that he was treating me and I just did it. So, I think,

that there might be a little bit of a difficulty at trial. But there will be a trial coming up. And her mother has spoken out and said that she

believed that he was cheating on her, and that he had told her that -- and Alex, you can talk about this to yourself, but that he said that he wanted

to date other women, but still live together. So that was enraging her also.

COSBY: Yes, that absolutely no excuse to pull out an old samurai sword. Alex, let me ask you, you know, as you hear this, and now she is charged,

of course, with murder, what would you like to see happen to her? Because, here you woke up in the middle of the night, this girlfriend you`re with

for two years, nobody expects to be woken up like that.

LOVELL: Yes, I don`t know. You know, I`m letting the -- I guess the law and the justice system deal with all that. You know, she`ll get what, you

know, what`s right, I guess. You know, there`s always a chance that they slip through, I guess. I`m ready for anything.

But, you know, I don`t -- there`s nothing -- there`s nothing that I want to happen to her or anything. She`ll go to jail and she`ll, you know, start

hopefully -- stops bugging me or bothering me. Hopefully, like, you know, when she -- I don`t know, it`s kind of like scary to think that maybe, you

know, she was out that it would continue or, you know, she might come after me.

I don`t know. Or if she has people out there, you know, like her ex-husband or something that might bug me or something. You know, when it comes to

that, you`ve got to let the justice system do their thing.

RITA COSBY, HOST, HLN: Absolutely. I`m glad that you`re OK. Alex, thank you very much. And our guests, thank you also as well.

And coming up, everyone, this could be the money shot in the trial of a fitness trainer accused of murdering a beautiful Texas coed. The defendant

buying a shovel at 4:00 a.m. The night Jacqueline Vandagriff disappeared, if a picture is worth a thousand words, could the word the jury might be

thinking be "guilty"? That`s next.

[18:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COSBY: And hello, everybody. I`m Rita Cosby, in for Ashleigh. Well, he was caught on camera before hitting on a girl at a bar. Now he has been spotted

with the shovel that he just might have bought to bury her. But nothing seems scary about Charles Bryant when he first started talking to two

college girls. The one of them would be dead within hours.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHERRY BOGUE, UNT STUDENT: She seems just fine. We just chatted about how her night was going, school, typical things. The female sat pretty close to

us and, you know, as ladies we wanted to go and talk to her. So we chatted with her for a little bit. And then the man was talking to the bartender

and then eventually to us.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: And eventually he would take Jacqueline Vandagriff home for the night where he said she died during sex. He said she panicked and went to

Walmart in the middle of the night -- that`s what he said he did -- to buy a shovel for his one-night stand. But firefighters would find her body in a

park, dismembered and set on fire.

And now it`s up to the jury to decide how she ended up there and whether Bryant simply tampered with evidence after her unfortunate death, or

brutally made a corpse out of a college girl.

Well, joining me now to talk about all of this is investigative reporter and syndicated radio host Kate Delaney. Also still with me is Dr. William

Morrone and defense attorney Troy Slaten.

Kate, let`s start with what happened that night. She goes to a bar. And she was also -- maybe she was stood up by somebody else. Also was going there

for a possible job. Tell us why she actually got there and how she met this guy.

KATE DELANEY, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER, SYNDICATED RADIO HOST (via telephone): It was kind of twofold reason, Rita. She went there to fill

out a job application at The Public Bar (ph). That was the name of the place, right there on the college campus in Denton. So she did that. She

filled out the application. And she was waiting for a date that she had arranged for online. But that date certainly wasn`t 31-year-old Charles

Bryant.

COSBY: How did they bust him? What led to him?

DELANEY (via telephone): What led to him was the fact that they had the surveillance video, number one, if you take the step back to Walmart and

the shovel that you mentioned and then a list of items on the receipt. But specifically it was the pinging of her cell phone. They were able to trace

her cell phone to her purse at his house, which was about 25 minutes away from those two bars.

COSBY: And, Kate, we`re looking at video of him at the Walmart. And what I just think is so bizarre as we`re looking at this -- here it is. It`s 4:30

in the morning. You notice he`s by himself. That`s a very important factor. And he goes up to the door. He is actually sort of waiting, has to have the

woman let him in, so he can get into the garden center.

There he is, walking out. And there, he`s got a shovel with him. He`s got a shovel with him. It`s 4:30 in the morning. And guess what? She ends up

dead. Soon afterwards. She is found, Kate Delaney, not too far from this location, from the Walmart, but also what`s important to remember is the

timeline. Walk us through the timeline, Kate, because this video, I think, is so damning for him.

DELANEY (via telephone): Absolutely. So as you mentioned, the Walmart video that you just showed, 4:30 in the morning, that`s where you see him

with that shovel. And then -- and this is at the garden center, specifically at the Walmart.

[18:40:00] And then another video you end up seeing of him is at about 5:41 where he`s at a different 7-Eleven than one he had stopped at, by the

way, with Jacqueline Vandagriff. That was the last time anyone saw her on tape, but this is a different time. And this is near his home.

And he fills up a gas can. And then shortly after this, this is 5:41, then at 6:30, Jacqueline`s body was found burning in a park near Lake Grapevine

just before that time, just before 6:30.

COSBY: And, Kate Delaney, one of the most, I think, just unbelievable pieces of all this, he`s at the Walmart, correct me if I`m wrong, there was

what, cold medicine? He went to go buy cold medicine while he`s getting the shovel.

DELANEY (via telephone): Yes, cold medicine. And, you`re right, and the shovel and then the receipt showed trash bag, (INAUDIBLE) fragments, all

the things that were found at the home when they went for the evidence. The Walmart receipt was there clearly with the shovel, and then they saw the

rest of it was right near it.

COSBY: Unbelievable. Take care of that cold while I`m burying her. Let`s bring in Dr. William Morrone. She is found still on fire, by the way. It`s

around 6:30 in the morning, which is about 22 miles or so away from his home.

And so it looks like based on the timing of that video that we were looking at, Dr. Morrone, he`s in the Walmart and prosecutors surmise that he wanted

to bury her but the ground was too firm and that he couldn`t bury her so he just set her on fire with gasoline instead.

What would we be able to determine from the body because it was so sadly, so severely burned?

WILLIAM MORRONE, MEDICAL EXAMINER AND FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Here`s what we always have to know. People think that they can destroy a body, destroy

evidence, and get away. The amount of gasoline is not enough to get it to the temperature that we would find in cremation. Cremation temperatures run

about 12, 13, 15, 1600 degrees. Gasoline will only give you about 4, 5, 600 degrees.

And the amount of time you need to be at 1600 degrees is about three, four, five hours. So he`s not going to do anything other than singe and char the

outside, so it`s difficult to identify. But if he`s broken bones, if he`s choked the neck, if he`s caused blunt force trauma to the skull or other

large bones, all that will be preserved inside.

Think about it this way. The body is like a box, and you`re only burning the outside. And if you open up the box, you still have the socks. And

they`re inside, the organs, the muscles. Bruises on muscles and ribs will be clearly seen in autopsy from the inside, that you won`t see on the

outside.

So people have a great misunderstanding about the amount of energy it`s going to take. They can get nowhere near cremation.

COSBY: Well, that`s good. Hopefully there`s some evidence. Good. That`s very good. That`s important.

MORRONE: Yes.

COSBY: All of you, please stay with us, because it`s not only the physical evidence that we`re going to talk about the case against Charles Bryant. As

we talked about, there is a little bit of cell phone evidence and maybe something in his background. We`re going to break that down, next.

[18:45:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COSBY: And we are still talking about the Texas fitness trainer who whose only workout now is behind bars. Because he is accused of making a one-

night stand the last night of a college girl`s life.

He says that beautiful Jacqueline Vandagriff died on an accident, when he brought her back from bar just to hook up. But their late-night bar trip

from the bar to Charles Bryant`s house is just about all that investigators believe.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARK SEDWICK, FBI AGENT: The next activity is from 12:58 to 1:32 a.m. And the phone -- the bar is kind of right here. So we started moving south. And

so 12:58, this tower sector, it shifts, goes farther south at 1:16 a.m. And then at 1:10 a.m. So kind of you see this overlap between these two towers.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: After 1:32 a.m., Jacqueline`s phone dropped off the radar. If you ask Bryant, she died during sex. But prosecutors say, he killed her,

dismembering her body, and setting her on fire in a kiddie pool. And now they`re telling a judge all about his problems with other women.

And still with me is investigative reporter Kate Delaney, also medical examiner Dr. William Morrone, and defense attorney Troy Slaten.

Kate, let`s talk about the background, that this guy had some problems before with a bit of a hot temper, according to an ex, right?

DELANEY (via telephone): Yes. In fact, the ex (INAUDIBLE) and she became so frightened of him becoming so controlling and getting angry.

[18:50:03] She describes him as he would just get set off easily, that she had to get the police involved at the University of North Texas. And so she

filed restraint against him. He was actually picked up at one point for trespassing and stalking.

COSBY: And it was an active restraining order, right? He was arrested, it was an active order?

DELANEY (via telephone): Active, yes, indeed.

COSBY: All right. And now let me show also some of the weapons found in this guy`s home, who just said, oh, they had rough sex, and, oh, sorry, she

died. Here`s what was in his home. You can see there is a rifle there. There was also gauge shotgun, a handgun, knives.

Defense Attorney Troy Slaten, guy, hot head, there is a TRO, a temporary restraining order out for the guy, and we`re supposed to believe him even

though the cell phone showed that she was near his home around the time they believed she died. This is just coincidence, just rough sex, and OK,

move on to the next one. Right, Troy?

TROY SLATEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think the defense is taking really the only approach they can to defend him here. And that`s that, yes, he was

with her. And so all that cell phone evidence is legitimate. But yes, she died during rough sex. It was an accident. He didn`t mean to kill her. And

he freaked out --

COSBY: Troy, did he mean to buy cold medicine -- look at the video. I want to go back to the video at the Walmart. Because they believe she`s already

dead at this time, OK? And he goes to the Walmart, Troy. He goes to buy, there he is, just casually shopping, doesn`t look past, oh, there we go,

oh, wait, the door doesn`t open.

Oh, let me get a worker to help me open the door. Seems very calm. The worker helps to open the door. Then he goes inside. She lets him in. Gets

inside. There she is, letting him in. He just kind of casually strolling.

At the same time, Troy, he happens to -- oh, I`ve got a little sniffle. Don`t worry about the dead body in the car. I got a little sniffle. Let me

go buy cold medicine while I pick up a shovel. Come on, Troy. Come on.

SLATEN: Who knows why he did that, Rita? But something that I have done in many trials is, when you`re charged with something really severe and then

something not so bad, in this case, he`s charged with murder, which is really severe, which could get him the death penalty, but he`s also charged

with tampering with evidence with the intent to impair the investigation, so if I`m --

COSBY: He didn`t admit to it, Troy. He didn`t admit to it. He got caught on video. Come on.

SLATEN: So, if I`m his defense, what I`m going to say is, look, yes, he`s guilty of tampering with the body, he freaked out, and he tried --

COSBY: He dismembered the body, Troy. You said, oh, tampering with the body. Let`s get to the point. The body was dismembered. The body was

dismembered.

SLATEN: He freaked out, Rita. A person who died at his hands --

COSBY: Everybody will freak out. You know what? He was OK to cake care of his cold. You know, this is unbelievable, Troy. This would be a very tough

case. Come on. You got to admit it.

SLATEN: Oh, it`s going to be very tough. But this is exactly what I would do. I would say, look, he is guilty of tampering with the evidence, he is

not guilty of murder.

COSBY: He`s not guilty of murder, oh, my goodness. Kate Delaney, what`s the reaction there in the town? What`s the reaction?

DELANEY (via telephone): The reaction is they want to see him get life. They think he is very guilty of murder and that`s what they want to happen.

People are furious. This was a beautiful young woman with her whole life in front of her until Charles Bryant met her and killed her within hours.

COSBY: Absolutely. And real quick, Dr. William Morrone, can we pinpoint the time? We do have a pretty good idea of the time, but can we pinpoint

the time with her?

MORRONE: What they`re going to be able to do and what they would have done on scene was take core body temperatures. Any fire, any other external

forces still really don`t get down to the core of the liver, or the intestines.

In autopsy, they look at that stuff and they have calculations. They have tables to put things from the time that it was discovered to the time of

the autopsy. And they can give you a rough guess in hours.

COSBY: Oh, so sad, such a tragic story. Thank you, all of you.

And moving over, we`re going to switch gears. We`re going to talk about K-9 units, something a lot happier. There is a new sheriff in town, and she`s a

perfect new addition to the force.

[18:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COSBY: And one more thing for you tonight. No police or sheriff`s department is complete without their K-9 units. But the Troy, Michigan PD

is taking a very different approach to selecting their next furry four- legged team member. Meet the candidates for the job, a police cat, or in this case, police kitten. They are from the local humane society.

[19:00:00] The kitty will join the force for therapeutic assignments. The officers picked this little lady, and she will live with a dispatcher and

make house or station calls as needed.

Well, the next hour of CRIME & JUSTICE starts right now.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Raped her, sodomized her and strangled her to death.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was supposedly in love with his co-worker.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I love this little girl.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So how did she end up stuffed in a suitcase? And taken out with the trash. After she reportedly hooked up with other people

in his room.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is a girl that he brought home and a girl was in love with had sex with random --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And did he record himself having sex with her after she was dead?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 911, can I help you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just tabbed my boyfriend.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She told police she was trying to kill him. Because she found tinder on his phone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She had a samurai sword and she had stabbed him multiple times.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now we are getting a first look at how she looked that night.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just -- I don`t understand. I mean, why somebody would be that jealous.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As her now ex recovers from the attack.

And the fitness trainer caught on camera on a late-night run to Walmart. He`s spotted buying a shovel the same night he`s accused of trying to bury

his hook-up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello, everyone, my name is Jacqueline Vandagriff.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He says she died during sex. So how did this college co-ed end up burned and dismembered?

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COSBY: And good evening, everybody. I`m Rita Cosby in for Ashleigh Banfield. This is the second hour of CRIME & JUSTICE.

Tonight, a San Diego man is in big trouble because of a date night took a very dark turn. And ended up with a different girl dead and stuffed in a

suitcase. Prosecutors say he killed her, but Joshua Palmer claims that he was in love with his co-worker and then he never would have intentionally

hurt her, even though she apparently hurt him, or at least his feelings. Because she reportedly brought another guy over to his place and slept with

both of them, and Palmer`s date, when Palmer couldn`t perform.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She felt that all he could do was stand there and watch, watch as the girl that he brought home and the girl he was in love

with have sex with a random man on his bed in his room.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: Palmer reportedly texted his co-worker while she was in the thick of this threesome saying I can`t watch you have sex with another man. But

she was the only one that he let stay after he kicked the others out. And that was the last time that anyone else would ever see her alive. Because

the next morning, Shanna Haynes` naked body was found in a suitcase, dumped outside with the trash.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was trying to pick it up by the handle and that I was amazed by the weight. So I dropped it. I kind of looked down and I saw

hair like black hair.

It was zipped up, but you could still see the hair coming out the zipper. That`s when I called the police. You could see kind of like it was really,

really pale, pale skin.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: And Palmer was arrested two days later because of what cops found on his phone. Video, that could mean stuffing her body into a suitcase,

wasn`t the worst thing Palmer might have done to the body.

And joining me now is Miles Himmel. He is with KFMB AM 760. He is a reporter there, also medical examiner and forensic pathologist Dr. William

Marrone and defense attorney Troy Slaten.

Miles, let me start with you because, boy, this is such a crazy story. Walk us through what happens. They are co-workers, right? And then she

comes home with another guy, she says it`s a platonic relationship, obviously the guy who is home it is wants more, right?

MILES HIMMEL, REPORTER, KFMB AM 760: Yes. You even go back further than that. So this couple, now the woman who is dead and this guy Joshua

Palmer, friends, maybe a little more, ever so slightly. But the girl says that`s in the past. So that`s done at this point. So let`s not worry

about that. Let`s move on.

Well, like you said, he`s not ready to move on. So they go out, actually go to opening day here in San Diego. They work at a popular restaurant in

downtown San Diego. They go out, Joshua meets a girl. They come back to the apartment. They start to get things going here. Then the girl that he

still likes comes home with another guy. Like you said, he has not able to perform. Then the girl he is with goes and joins this other random guy in

his room. He is just stuck there, sitting there, and you are sitting there, going, and then this body then you wind up and you flash forward and

you have got this body in a trash can. And that`s where police now are looking and saying what happened during that time?

[19:05:31] COSBY: Now, Miles, sorry to get into some of the graphic details. It`s just so weird. He text her during this while she is fooling

around with these two other people, the girlfriend and the guy that she brings home. It`s obviously that a wild night, not my typical date night

for the record here. But so she is over there. And he`s texting her saying, what, I want to put that up again, that`s the weirdest thing, I

guess in the middle of it all you are able to answer texts. That`s a pretty ambidextrous person.

HIMMEL: Yes. I mean, he is jealous. Let`s be honest. I mean, he is jealous. Here is a girl that maybe he doesn`t have the confidence, maybe

he doesn`t - he can`t say or maybe he has told her his feelings and she doesn`t particularly clear. Like you said, they have got this weird kind

of open relationship and it seems like she is just kind of a go with the wind type of girl. And so, she has got a guy, and there is another girl

there. And so, I mean, you know, picture yourself that the girl you like is sleeping with someone else, and the girl you brought home to try and

make you forget about the other girl is also sleeping with this random guy, you know. And so, yes, he starts texting her and the rage and the jealousy

just starts to get going.

COSBY: Now, cops have Joshua Palmer. How did they get him? Because he claims, what, that she just took off, Miles? That she, you know, like a

typical person, just walks out the door after a little bit of an argument, in a blanket, just happens to walk out. Right?

HIMMEL: Yes. So there`s been a few theories. His story has changed a few times. So first you get the two random people that aren`t part of the

story. He kicks them out because these two were living together even though they didn`t have this great relationship. They were just friends.

He kicks those two out. And so now, it`s him and the girl. He said they had consensual sex. And then, at some point, she got upset because he was

recording her. That`s where you got the video on. And then she left, when he was upset, and then she just ended up dead.

That`s what he said. He is also, like I said, changed that story around a lot. And so, that`s something too, that you are seeing in this trial right

now. People are saying, hold on, this has changed a few times.

COSBY: Now Miles, one of the crazy things in the middle of this all, what`s on that video? Because prosecutors say that video a damning.

HIMMEL: Yes, so what you have got is a video of him having sex with this woman who most likely was dead at this point. And that`s going to be used

by evidence. And I mean, if that`s not the --

COSBY: Wait, miles, he is having sex with her while she is dead. And authorities believe he killed her?

HIMMEL: He killed her. He is recording it, which -- I mean, like you said, it`s -- you can`t make this up. And he has killed her. He was

recording it while having sex with her. And either going to use this as evidence in court.

COSBY: OK. Let`s go to defense attorney Troy Slaten.

Because Troy, in the middle of this all he is also charged with murder with special circumstances. In other words, rape, sodomy, rape with an

instrument, I mean, it gets really ugly here. This is really bad for this guy, Troy. Let`s hear your best defense.

TROY SLATEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: This is a classic heat of passion case. This is why the heat of passion defense is in our law.

COSBY: He said he didn`t do it. He says he didn`t do it.

SLATEN: Well, his attorney kind of concede it in her opening statements.

COSBY: Yes. But he said he didn`t do it to the cops, Troy. Now he is changing his story yet again?

SLATEN: This isn`t a case about what happened. This is a case about the circumstances surrounding how it happened. This was a hopeless --

COSBY: We are supposed to feel sorry for him. So he`s pathetic, so he can go around and kill this girl he likes.

SLATEN: He sees the woman he loves having sex with another man right in front of him.

COSBY: In his home.

SLATEN: Yes.

COSBY: Doesn`t sound like he was protesting too much, you know. It`s his home.

SLATEN: This was a man that was suffering erectile dysfunction and had all kinds of --

COSBY: Wait. You know what? Get Viagra, don`t kill the girl you like. How`s that for a solution, Troy?

SLATEN: She had multiple semen samples located inside of her from multiple donors.

COSBY: Troy, are you going to say we don`t know who killed her, you know? Is that what you are going to say? He is on video. The prosecutors are

saying he is on video having sex with her after she is dead, Troy. That is damning.

SLATEN: What I`m saying is this was --

COSBY: Don`t you - don`t you go around saying, well, because she was having sex. He was right there, obviously, it`s not a traditional

relationship that she has with other people, multiple partners, all those things, but he is on video having sex with her when authorities believe she

was dead.

[19:10:11] SLATEN: Heat of passion, Rita, that`s why that defense is put in.

COSBY: Guess what? She`s not here to have passion with him, Troy. She is dead, do you understand that?

SLATEN: That`s what the defense is about, that he was so distraught -- he was in love with this woman who then --

COSBY: So he can rape her after she`s dead, so he can rape her after she`s dead. Shame on you, Troy Slaten, shame on you. Let`s hear you defend that

one.

SLATEN: Rita, we are not sure whether or not the sex occurred after she was dead. That`s an allegation that the prosecutor will have to prove in

court.

COSBY: And you know what, Troy? Troy, it probably won`t be too hard to see if she`s not moving on the videotape. She is obviously not aware of

what`s happening to her. How`s that?

SLATEN: That will be for the 12 people selected from the community to decide.

COSBY: Yes. It sure will be. And I think they are going to have a pretty strong case against this guy.

Let`s go to Dr. William Marrone.

Dr. Marrone, let me go to you, because can you tell at what point she died? Because we know again that her body was found stuffed in a suitcase. I

mean, this is just so sad, this whole thing is just so tragic. Shawna Haynes, apparently she just saw this guy as a platonic relationship.

Obviously, there was a lot of, you know, sex going on in the house. She just liked him as a friend. And this is what happened, despite what Troy

is saying. I mean, she ends up in a suitcase.

Can you tell at what point, even though she`s stuffed in a suitcase, obviously had to be - it is a travel suitcase, by the way, Dr. Marrone,

which is just so unbelievable a body could go in there. Could you tell at what point and it was put in there and what may have happened to her?

DR. WILLIAM MARRONE, DO, MEDICAL EXAMINER AND FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: That`s going to be really difficult. There`s a lot of boundary issues

here. But they are going to need to use that video. And many videos end up time and date stamped. So when the trash was put out, when the video

was made, and, you know, there`s an awful lot of tension, tone and flaccidity (ph) in the body when you are having sex with an alive person

versus a dead person. And those judgments are also going to be made, especially if there`s blunt force trauma that`s visible on the body in the

video. So that time and date stamping, and then having something put outside. And I`m not sure, but I think it`s illegal to have sex with dead

people in many places.

COSBY: Yes, I`m sure it is.

MARRONE: So there`s a lot of boundary issues here and time and date stamping and when something was found, that`s going to be really important.

COSBY: Yes, for sure.

Let`s go back to Miles, too.

Miles, what are they saying on the prosecution side is other key pieces of evidence against this guy?

HIMMEL: Yes, so besides the video, what they are also -- and that was a good point they brought up. They are looking at when the sequences happen,

because you have not two witnesses but you have two people there were there that night. So they can at least explain what the dynamics were, what was

going on, what the mood was like, and what happened.

You know, when you get kicked out, was it, hey, can you leave now? Or was there some rage going on with Joshua when he did this? And then certainly,

you have people around. They were at a hotel. So you have people around. And then certainly, that guy also that found the body, they have got

cameras. They are going to bring the whole array into all this.

COSBY: And real quick, I want to play a little bit of the police interrogation. This is Joshua in the interrogation.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know what I`m doing right now? I`m following where the evidence led me to.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I came to you guys.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know. But that doesn`t mean that you are not involved.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I am involved. I`m the last person that saw her alive.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: And Miles, real quick, he is charged now with murder. They are not seeking the death penalty, though, right?

HIMMEL: Yes, not something that happens a whole lot here in San Diego, to be honest. We have had bigger cases here lately. And just not something

we have seen too much here. But they are going to go for everything but that, yes.

COSBY: Absolutely. What a sad and very, very tragic case, everybody, we will continue to follow this again, thoughts and prayers for Shanna Haynes

and her family.

And everybody coming up, there is nothing more dangerous than a jilted girlfriend. Unless it`s a jilted girlfriend with a samurai sword.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, where is the knife?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s by him. It`s a sword.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You used a sword? OK.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: And now we are learning more about the suicide notes that cops say she left behind, and her supposed plan to plead guilty.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:19:56] COSBY: Hello, everybody. I`m Rita Cosby in for Ashleigh.

Well, the dating apps on his phone, the scratch marks on his back, and the red hair in the shower. According to police, that`s all it took for a 30-

year-old Washington woman to attack her live-in boyfriend with a samurai sword, thinking that he was cheating on her. Officers say she stabbed him

while he was sleeping before calling the cops on herself.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

[19:20:24] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 911, can I help you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just stabbed my boyfriend.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is the address there?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think he is dying. Hurry up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tell me what happened.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I stabbed him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is he awake?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He is dead. I think he is dead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. What is your name?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Emily.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, Emily, I need to get some help started. I`m splitting the call. Hold on --.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think he is dead.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COSBY: And tonight, we are seeing for the first time what Emily Javier looked like after the attack, after we are learning what cops say led her

to imagine this massacre for weeks, buying the sword at a mall inspired by a movie after her boyfriend started to ignore her.

And with me now to talk about all of this is Emily Javier`s ex-boyfriend Alex Lovell. Also we have radaronline.com, TV reporter Alexis Tereszcuk,

and defense attorney still with me, Troy Slaten.

Alexis, just set it up exactly what happened. Because this is so bizarre that she apparently, what, first went to get a gun and then switched to a

samurai sword?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, SENIOR REPORTER, RADARONLINE.COM: She did, Emily went to buy a gun. She says she found a tinder app, which are dating apps. Fine,

but not if you are living with somebody. So she was furious with him. Then she said she found some red hair in the shower which she thought might

have been another woman. So she decided she came up with a scheme. She searched online on different ways to look at how to kill somebody. She

went to buy a gun, there was a ten-day waiting period in the state. So she was not able to purchase the gun. Instead she went to a specialty store

and she bought a samurai sword. It is a huge sword. What she told them it was a present for more brother.

She goes home, waits for him to fall asleep, (INAUDIBLE) next to him and then she starts swings at him, stabs him over and over, slices into him,

leaves him on the ground of the bedroom. He`s wearing a t-shirt, and nothing else, covered in blood, and then she goes and calls 911 saying that

he is dead.

COSBY: You know, Alexis, it`s so bizarre. There are some report that she used -- it was in the dark, but she uses a cell phone light to find his

neck?

TERESZCUK: Exactly. And she had actually researched the best place, according to searches on the computer, the best places to stab somebody to

do the most damage. So yes, he used her cellphone. It is dark. He is sleeping. Well, he thought they were both asleep. And she is swinging

away.

COSBY: How bizarre.

Let`s go to the ex-boyfriend now, Alex Lovell.

Alex, first of all, thank you for joining us. I can`t even imagine just how terrifying it must have been. You were asleep. Then what was going on

in your mind? You woke up, and what were you seeing, what was you were experiencing?

ALEX LOVELL, EX-GIRLFRIEND ALLEGEDLY ATTACKED HIM (on the phone): Well, a lot of that stuff you just mentioned is all new to me. But, you know, at

first it just was a -- just being woken up by like kind of a blunt object hitting you. She hit me with the wrong side of the sword a couple times,

which, you know, ended up saving my life and kind of giving me a chance to fight for my life once I was awake. But yes, it was just, you know, just

terrifying.

I don`t really remember the part from when I woke up to -- you know, I was kind of tackling her into a TV and we kind of were wrestling around on the

ground, and I was able to convince her to call the cops, you know. She kind of snapped out of it which was -- thank God for that. I don`t

remember the other question.

COSBY: What was she saying to you? I can`t even imagine.

LOVELL: She was yelling like, you cheated on me, like I found the tinder app on your phone, which was a complete lie. All the stuff, you know. And

it`s all the stuff that she had been saying like previously in the months prior. And I was just like, listen, you know, you need to trust me, or you

need to like move out because this is not going to work out, you know, if you are not doing this. Apparently she decided to try to kill me instead,

so.

COSBY: How are you doing, Alex? Tell us about the injuries.

LOVELL: I`m doing really well. You know, it`s pretty remarkable how fast your body recovers. I basically had my right foot cut in half. I had

three fingers cut off pretty much all the way. My knee was sliced pretty good. The top of my shin was, I don`t know the anatomy there, but there

was tendons that were cut and stuff off my knee. But everything is, you know, I`m able to walk around a little bit, you know, like I said, my right

foot basically got cut in half. So that -- you know, but everything is all healed up. And, you know, the pain has gone away and I`m off all my pain

meds for the most part. And you know, things are going really well, you know. I`m able to move my fingers that were cut off. So, yes,

everything`s good on my end.

[19:25:18] COSBY: You are a trooper, Alex, and thank god that you are OK. And thank you so much for joining with us. Stay with us, if you could.

I want to bring in the defense attorney, Troy Slaten.

And, Troy, I want to show, because she is claiming, you know, just sort of had this fit of rage, thought he was cheating on her, you just heard from

the boyfriend wasn`t even cheating, and by her own account it was a red hair in the shower. So when you hear this, Troy, I mean, come on, and she

bought the samurai sword. What, was she hanging out with a samurai sword? She applied for a gun license. Didn`t want to wait the ten days. Then she

spends the 300 bucks. She sees this in a movie, "Bond Girl" and decides to do this. This is premeditation, come on, Troy.

SLATEN: Good thing for that ten-day waiting period.

COSBY: Yes.

SLATEN: But anyhow, normally, in a case like this, the defense will try and use something like heat of passion, which is when you catch your lover

cheating. That`s going to be a really difficult defense here because it wasn`t in the moment. She was planning it. She was premeditating it like

you said. She had the time and the aforethought to write out notes to her best friend, to her parents.

COSBY: Yes. In fact, let me show some of the notes, Troy. Let me show it. This is a note that she wrote. This is to the best friend and also to

an ex-husband, too. By the way, part of her plan was to kind of hang out with the ex-husband, go to Hawaii and come back. That`s what everybody

does after they try to kill somebody.

But anyway, here is some of the notes. And you are just seeing one. There is nothing to explain I caught him cheating and he is f-ing dead. That is

a suicide note that she left for a best friend. She wrote the notes.

And then let me also put up, too, she was doing searches, troy, authorities went through -- went on her cell phone. And it wasn`t like she just

randomly, oh, let`s do this. Look right here. She was doing searches, female prisons, drowning.

Now, this is my favorite, the last, the third one there, boyfriends that don`t get their girlfriends presents on Valentine`s Day, stabbing in the

neck. Those are things just people casually do, Troy. Come on, this looks so bad for her, troy.

SLATEN: It does look bad for her. But I think that her ex-boyfriend, the victim here, really set up her defense. And that`s at a certain moment --

COSBY: Like, here`s my injury, that`s a great defense, Troy?

SLATEN: No, the defense is what he said, she finally snapped out of it. She was probably having some sort of psychotic episode.

COSBY: The problem is, Troy, you could use that excuse, but it`s hard to use that when she did all these searches, you can`t say it was heat of the

moment. You could say, if he said, listen, there was no searches, she didn`t leave the notes, may be you could pull that fast one on us. But you

have got a problem with what happened beforehand.

SLATEN: Rita, you can be competent and then have a psychotic break and then be competent again. The experts, which this will be a battle of the

experts, will have to opine on at the moment that she was committing the crime. Did she -- was she able to tell right from wrong? Was she able to

appreciate the wrongfulness of her acts at that moment?

COSBY: Well, she certainly knew enough to like, let me turn on the cell phone to see where the neck is, so I can do this correctly. She certainly

seemed cognizant in that moment.

SLATEN: That doesn`t look good for her, all of her searches are bad evidence and could show consciousness of guilt.

COSBY: Absolutely.

Let`s go to Alexis Tereszcuk.

Alexis, where does it go from here? What is she charged with?

TERESZCUK: She is charged with first degree attempted murder.

Here is the thing though. She spilled everything to the police. As soon as they arrested her, found her, she was talking about it. She said, look.

I did it. I killed him. I wanted to kill him. She didn`t know, I guess, that he was still alive. She just said I was so angry at him. I was so

sick of the way that he was treating me. And I just did it. So I think that there might be a little bit of difficulty at trial. But there will be

a trial coming up. And her mother has spoken out and said that she believed that he was cheating on her. And that he had told her that -- and

Alex, you can talk about this yourself, but that he said he wanted to date other women, but still live together. So that was enraging her also.

COSBY: Yes, that absolutely no excuse to pull out an old samurai sword.

Alex, let me ask you. You know, as you hear this, and now she is charged, of course, with murder, what would you like to see happen to her? Because

here you woke up in the middle of the night, this girlfriend you are with for two years, nobody expects to be woken up like that.

LOVELL: Right. Yes, I don`t know. You know, I`m letting the -- I guess the law and the justice system deal with all that. You know, she will get

what, you know, what`s right, I guess. You know, there is always a chance that they slip through, I guess.

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I`m ready for anything. But, you know, I don`t -- there`s nothing -- there`s nothing that I want that -- to happen to her, or anything. You

know, she`ll go to jail, and she`ll, you know, stops hopefully, she stops bugging me, or bothering me, hopefully, like, you know, when she -- I don`t

know, like, it`s kind of like scary to think that, maybe, you know, if she was out that maybe something, you know, would continue or, you know, she

might come after me or something. I don`t know, you know, or if she has people out there, you know, like her ex-husband or something that might bug

me or something. But, you know, when it comes to that, you just got to let the justice system do their thing.

COSBY: Absolutely, and I`m glad that you`re OK. Alex, thank you very much, and our guests, thank you also as well.

And coming up, everyone, this could be the money shot in the trial of a fitness trainer accused of murdering a beautiful Texas co-ed. The

defendant buying a shovel at 4:00 a.m., the night Jacqueline Vandagriff disappeared, if a picture is worth a thousand words, could the word the

jury might be thinking be guilty? That`s next.

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[19:36:08] COSBY: And hello, everybody. I`m Rita Cosby in for Ashley. Well, he was caught on camera before hitting on a girl at a bar, now, he

has been spotted with the shovel that he just might have bought to bury her. But nothing seems scary about Charles Bryant when he first started

talking to two college girls. The one of them would be dead within hours.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHERRY BOGUE, UNT STUDENT: She seems just fine. We just chatted about how her night was going, you know, school, typical things. The female sat

pretty close to us, and you know as ladies we wanted to go and talk to her so we chatted with her for a little bit. And then, the man was talking to

the bartender and then eventually to us.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: And eventually, he would take Jacqueline Vandagriff home for the night where he says she died during sex. He says she panicked and went to

Wal-Mart in the middle of the night, that`s what he says he did, to buy a shovel for his one-night stand. But firefighters would find her body in a

park, dismembered, and set on fire. And now, it`s up to the jury to decide how she ended up there, and whether Bryant simply tampered with evidence

after her unfortunate death, or brutally made a corpse out of a college girl.

Well, joining me now to talk about all of this is Investigative Reporter and Syndicated Radio Host Kate Delaney. Also, still with me is Dr. William

Morrone and Defense Attorney Troy Slaten. Kate, let`s start with what happened that night. She goes to a bar, and she was also -- what, it`s

said maybe she was stood up by somebody else. Also, was going there for a possible job. Tell us why she actually got there and how she met this guy.

DELANEY: Yes, there is -- it was kind of twofold reason, Rita. She went there to fill out a job application at the public bar. That was the name

of the place, right there on the college campus in Denton. So, she did that. She filled out the application, and she was waiting for a date that

she had arranged for online. But that date certainly wasn`t 31-year-old Charles Bryant.

COSBY: How did they bust him? What led to him?

DELANEY: What led to him was the fact that they had this surveillance video number one, if you take the step back to Wal-Mart, and the shovel

that you mentioned, and then, a list of items on that receipt. But specifically, it was the pinging of her cell phone. They were able to

trace her cell phone to her purse at his house, which was about 25 minutes away from those two bars.

COSBY: And, Kate, we`re looking at video of him at the Wal-Mart, and what I just think is so bizarre, as we`re looking at this, everyone, here it is,

it`s 4:30 in the morning, you notice he`s by himself, that`s a very important factor, and he goes up to the door. He`s actually sort of there

waiting, has to have the woman let him in so he can get into the garden center. There he is, walking out, and there, he`s got a shovel with him.

He`s got a shovel with him. It`s 4:30 in the morning, and guess what? She ends up dead soon afterwards. She is found, Kate Delaney, not too far from

this location, from the Wal-Mart, but also, what`s important to remember is the timeline. Walk us through the timeline, Kate, because this video, I

think, is so damning for him.

DELANEY: Absolutely. So, as you mentioned the Wal-Mart video that you just showed, 4:30 in the morning, that`s where you see him with that

shovel. And then -- and this is at the garden center, specifically at the Wal-Mart, and then, another video you end up seeing of him is at about 5:41

where he`s at a different 7-Eleven. And once he had stopped at by the way with Jacqueline (INAUDIBLE) Vandagriff. That was the last time anyone saw

her on tape. So, this is a different time and this is near his home, and he fills up a gas can, and then, shortly after this, this is 5:41, then, at

6:30, Jacqueline`s body was found burning in a park near Lake Grapevine just before that time, just before 6:30.

[19:40:14] COSBY: And Kate Delaney, one of the most -- I think just unbelievable pieces of all this, he`s at the Wal-Mart, correct me if I`m

wrong, there was what, cold medicine? He went to go buy cold medicine while he`s getting the shovel.

DELANEY: Yes, cold medicine, and you`re right, and the shovel, and then, the receipt showed trash bags, fire (INAUDIBLE) possible bone fragments,

all the things that were found at the home when they went for the evidence. So, the Wal-Mart receipt was there clearly with the shovel, and then, they

saw the rest of it was right near it.

COSBY: Unbelievable. God, take care of that cold while I`m burying her. Let`s bring in Dr. William Morrone. She is found still on fire, by the

way, it`s around 6:30 in the morning, which is about 22 miles or so away from his home. And so, it looks like based on the timing of that video

that we were looking at, Dr. Morrone, he`s in the Wal-Mart, and prosecutors surmise that he wanted to bury her but the ground was too firm and that he

couldn`t bury her, so he just set her on fire with that gasoline instead. What would we be able to determine from the body because it was so sadly so

severely burned.

MORRONE: Here`s what we always have to know. People think that they can destroy a body, destroy evidence and get away. The amount of gasoline is

not enough to get it to the temperature that we would find in cremation. Cremation temperatures run about 12, 13, 15, 1600 degrees. Gasoline is

only going to give you about 400, 500, 600 degrees, and the amount of time you need to be at 1600 degrees is about three, four, five hours. So, he`s

not going to do anything other than singe and char the outside so it`s difficult to identify. But if he`s broken bones, if he`s choked the neck,

if he`s caused blunt force trauma to the skull or other large bones, all that will be preserved inside. Think about it this way, the body is like a

box, and you`re only burning the outside, and if you open up the box, you still have the socks, and they`re inside. The organs, the muscles.

Bruises on muscles and ribs will be clearly seen in autopsy from the inside that you won`t see on the outside. So people have a great misunderstanding

about the amount of energy it`s going to take. They can get nowhere near cremation.

COSBY: Well, that`s good.

MORRONE: So, there`ll be a wealth of knowledge.

COSBY: Hopefully, there`s some evidence. Good, that`s very good because that`s important.

MORRONE: Yes.

COSBY: All of you please stay with us because it`s not only the physical evidence that we`re going to talk about the case against Charles Bryant.

As we talked about, there is a little bit of cell phone evidence, and maybe something in his background. We`re going to break that down next.

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COSBY: And we`re still talking about the Texas fitness trainer whose only workout now is behind bars because he is accused of making a one-night

stand, the last night of a college girl`s life. He says that beautiful Jacqueline Vandagriff died on an accident, when he brought her back from

bars just to hook up. But their late-night bar trip from the bar to Charles Bryant`s house is just about all that investigators believe.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARK SEDWICK, FBI AGENT: The next activity I have is on (INAUDIBLE) from 12:58 to 1:32 a.m. and the phone -- the bar is kind of right here. So we

started moving south. And so 12:58, you know, on this tower sector, it shifts, goes farther south at 1:16 a.m. And then at 1:10 a.m. so kind of

(INAUDIBLE) 1:16, you see this overlap between these two towers.

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COSBY: After 1:32 a.m. Jacqueline`s phone dropped off the radar. And if you ask Bryant, she died during sex, but prosecutors say, uh-uh, he killed

her, dismembering her body, and setting her on fire in a kiddie pool. And now, they`re telling a judge all about his problems with other women. And

still with me is investigative reporter Kate Delaney, also medical examiner Dr. William Maroney, and defense attorney Troy Slaten.

Kate, let`s talk about the background, that this guy`s had some problems before with a bit of a hot temper according to an ex, right?

DELANEY: Yes. In fact, the ex (INAUDIBLE) her name is (INAUDIBLE) and she became so frightened of him being so controlling and getting angry and she

describes him as he would just get set off easily, that she had to get the police involved at the University of North Texas. And so, she filed a

restraint against him. And he was actually picked up at one for trespassing and stalking.

[19:50:12] COSBY: And it was an active restraining order, right? He was arrested, it was an active order?

DELANEY: Active, yes, indeed.

COSBY: All right. So -- and now, let me show what also some of the weapons found in this guy`s home who just said oh, they had rough sex and

sorry, she died. Here`s what was in his home. You can see there was a rifle there. There was also a gauge shotgun, a handgun, knives. Defense

attorney Troy Slaten, guy, hot head, there is a TRO, a temporary restraining order out for the guy and we`re supposed to believe him even

though the cell phone showed that she was near his home around the time they believed she died. This is just all coincidence, it`s just rough sex

and OK, move onto the next one, right, Troy?

SLATEN: I think the defense is taking really the only approach that they can to defend him here, and that`s that, yes, he was with her and so all

that cell phone evidence is legitimate, but yes, she died during rough sex, it was an accident, he didn`t mean to kill her, and freaked out --

COSBY: Wait, wait, wait, Troy, did he mean to buy cold medicine? Look at -- look at the video. I want to go back to the video at the Wal-Mart

because they believe she`s already dead at this time, OK? And he goes to the Wal-Mart, Troy. He goes to buy -- there he is, just casually shopping,

doesn`t look (INAUDIBLE) there we go. Oh, wait, the door doesn`t open. Oh, let me get a worker to help me open the door, seems very calm, the

worker helps to open the door. Then he goes inside, she lets him in, gets inside. There she is, letting him in, he`s just kind of casually

strolling. At the same time, Troy, he happens to got -- have got a little sniffle. Don`t worry about the dead body in the car. I`ve got a little

sniffle, let me go buy cold medicine while I pick up a shovel. Come on, Troy, come on.

SLATEN: Who knows why he did that, Rita. But something that I have done in many trials is when you`re charged with something really severe and then

something not so bad, in this case he`s charged with murder, which is really severe which could get him the death penalty but charged with

tampering with evidence with the intent to impair the investigation.

COSBY: Yes, because you know what, he didn`t -- he didn`t admit to it, Troy. He didn`t admit to it. He got caught on video, come on.

SLATEN: So, if I`m his defense, what I`m going to say is, look, yes, he`s guilty of tampering with the body. He freaked out. And he tried to --

COSBY: He dismembered the body. Troy, you say, oh, tampering with the body. Let`s get to the point. The body was dismembered. The body was

dismembered.

SLATEN: He freaked out. He freaked out, Rita. This is a person who died in his hands.

COSBY: Everybody who freaks out -- you know what, he was -- he was OK to take care of his cold. You know, this is unbelievable, Troy.

SLATEN: You fall on the sword.

COSBY: This would be a very tough case. Come on, you got to admit it.

SLATEN: Oh, it`s going to be very tough but this is exactly what I would do. I`d say, look, he`s guilty of tampering with the evidence, he is not

guilty of murder.

COSBY: He`s not guilty of murder? Oh, my goodness. Kate Delaney, what`s the reaction there in the town? What`s the reaction?

DELANEY: The reaction is they want to see him get life. They think he is very guilty of murder, and that`s what they want to happen. People are

furious. This was a beautiful young woman with her whole life in front of -- in front of her until Charles Bryant met her and killed her within

hours.

COSBY: Absolutely. And real quick, Dr. William Morrone, can we pinpoint the time? We do have a pretty good idea of the time but can we pinpoint

the time with her?

MORRONE: What they`re going to be able to do and what they would have done on scene was take core body temperatures. Any fire -- any other external

forces still really don`t get down to the core of the liver or the intestines. In autopsy, they look at that stuff and they have calculation,

they have tables to put things from the time that it was discovered to the time of the autopsy and they can give you a rough guess in hours.

COSBY: So sad. Such a tragic story. Thank you, all of you. And moving over, we`re going to switch gears, we`re going to talk about K9 units,

something a lot happier. There is a new sheriff in town, and she`s a perfect new addition to the force.

[19:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COSBY: And "ONE MORE THING" for you tonight, no police or sheriff`s department is complete without their K9 units but Detroit, Michigan P.D. is

taking a different approach to selecting their next furry four-legged team member. Meet the candidates for the job of police cat or in this case,

police kitten. They are from the local humane society and the kitty will join the force for therapeutic assignments. The officers picked this very

cute little lady and she will live with a dispatcher and make house or station calls as needed.

And we will see you back here tomorrow night at 6:00 Eastern Time. You can also listen to our show any time, download our Podcast on Apple Podcast,

iHeartRadio, Stitcher, Tune In, or wherever you get your Podcast for your "Crime & Justice" fix. Thanks for watching, everybody. I`m Rita Cosby.

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