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Granny On Run; Tricky Lawsuit; Teenage Boy Trap In A Van And Died; Magician David Copperfield Is Forced To Show His Trick In Courtroom. Aired 6-8p ET

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[18:00:00] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That is all for tonight. "Crime and Justice with Ashleigh Banfield," is up right now.

ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HOST, HLN CRIME AND JUSTICE: Good evening, everyone, I`m Ashleigh Banfield, this is Crime and Justice, the search is ramping up

across the country for a gambling granny who police say is actually a double murderer. Producer, Michael Christian, has been tracking her all

the way from Minnesota to Florida to Texas and tonight, are police getting any closer or is she getting farther away?

MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, SENIOR FIELD PRODUCER, HLN: That is right, Ashleigh. Authorities are desperately trying to find this woman before there are

anymore more victims. We will tell you about a new method, and new technique they`re using to try and pin her down.

BANFIELD: All right. We look forward to that. Thank you again Michael Christian.

Also, one of the most famous magicians in the world is being forced to pull the curtain back and reveal his secrets. David Copperfield, mega hit in

Vegas, now taking a stand in a courtroom to say the trick that allegedly injured a tourist is nothing to sue about. Our Justin Freiman is on that

story.

JUSTIN FREIMAN, SR. PRODUCER, HLN CNN: That is right, you know, magicians, they keep their secret behind their big illusions hidden away, sometimes

right up their sleeves, but not David Copperfield. He is being forced to tell an entire courtroom and the country basically just how he gets away

with making 13 members of the audience disappear. But how could this hurt his career? Well beyond this trial.

BANFIELD: I can`t wait to see him on the stand and how he performs in that respect. Thank you Justin.

A former detective also hunting down a muscular marine that her daughter used to date, her own daughter used to date, that was before police say he

strangled that daughter and left her for dead. Our Bernice Man is following the manhunt. What did you found?

BERNICE MAN, CRIME AND JUSTICE PRODUCER: Yes, this mom wants to find this guy, no matter what country he may have fled to. She knows nothing will

bring back her daughter, but she is with us tonight to share details that could help save someone else`s loved one.

BANFIELD: OK, we`ll do that track as well, Bernice, thank you for that.

Also, police in Texas get a terrifying surprise when they pull up to a home in the suburbs. We`re going to tell you exactly what happened.

Unbelievable video. You`ll find out how those officers fared as well.

Also, later, more pain for the family of a teenager who is crushed to get inside his own van. The family wanted answers from officials and instead

find out what a City Counselor said to them that made them storm out of this meeting, you`re seeing in disgust.

First, however, the nationwide search for that suspected double killer on the run for over three weeks now, accused of killing two people, 1,500

miles apart, and then getting away again and again. This is the manhunt that has police across the country on high alert, or rather it`s the

grandma hunt, not a manhunt, a grandma hunt, and now it is taking us on a very bizarre twist tonight.

And that twist has wind its way all the way to California, because that is where new reports are coming in that this 56-year-old woman who looks like

everybody`s grandmother may in fact have knocked off a bank, if the reports are true. And if those reports are true, and she was able to knock off a

bank, that is a whole lot more fuel for that cross country adventure.

Lois Riess is accused of killing both her husband, and a look alike, a new friend she made down in Florida. And she was seemingly last caught on

camera driving off in her own victim`s car, the sheriff actually went on the "Today" show to warn us how well she blends in, how easily she is able

to befriend and then finish off another victim.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNDERSHERIFF CARMINE MARCENO, LEE COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: She smiles and looks like anyone`s mother or grandmother, yet she is calculated, she is

targeted, and she is an absolute cold-blooded killer. Suspect Reiss, at some point in time will have no resources and she will become more

desperate and may kill again.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Now police are trying to use a new tactic, brand new tool to track Lois down before she meets anyone else. Police in Texas and in New

Mexico and in Arizona and California are now lighting up these billboards. Take a close look. It`s clear, it says this woman is wanted for murder,

and they`re hoping that someone will call in to that tip line you see on your screen before another crime has to be called in. We`re going to get

back to that tip line in a moment.

But first, this bizarre turn that the story has taken that had actually taken us to California. I want to go to Minneapolis first. That is where

Tim Harlow is. He is a reporter for the "Star Tribune," he is tracking this story as well. Also from Corpus Christi, Frank Edwards, is the

morning show host for KRYS, also Defense Attorney, Vinoo Varghese, is joining me now as well, because now we`re dealing with a lot of different

states and everybody has a different law depending on where you are.

First to you Tim Harlow, let`s get to the meat and potatoes of what`s happened now.

[18:05:02] This strange twist that has gone off to California, off to the West Coast, what has led us to believe that she might be a suspect in a

bank robbery now in California?

TIM HARLOW, REPORTER, STAR TRIBUNE: Well, That is a good question. I tried to confirm if she is a suspect in California, and nobody actually has

said that. But being that she has gone from Minnesota to Florida, was in Texas, it`s probably not a stretch that she may well be in California by

now. She is been shown to get around, and quite fast.

BANFIELD: Do you know, Tim, I mean, this is sort of all the sausage making as she is still making this cross country spree, it seems, allegedly, but

if it is a bank robbery, and, of course, if there is some cross state, you know, crime, the Feds would be involved and this would take it to another

level as well. Do we have any idea other than the U.S. Marshalls and their tracking whether the FBI is on this, or any other federal, you know,

authorities from, say, California?

HARLOW: You know, we learned about her possible involvement in the bank robbery late this afternoon. So we have not been able to confirm that.

But like you say, if it is a bank robbery, the Feds are no doubt going to be involved.

BANFIELD: Yes, and of course the issue would be that when you steel a credit card, and you steal someone`s identity, those credit cards can be

tracked and so can you. And that is actually how they ultimately got to the Hilton Hotel on Ocala, Florida. If I can just show some of those

videos that we got in yesterday, late in the day, there were three different videos of Lois Ann Riess, not only walking into a Hilton Hotel,

but walking up to the counter and then ultimately driving away.

So, here she is walking in with the white hat, the blue shirt we`ve seen in so many pictures, white Capri pants and what appear to be flip-flops.

Check the purse though, the cross shoulder purse she wears, so this is her at the Hilton, and the reason we know she is there is because it`s now

being confirmed that she used the victim`s credit card. She used Pamela Hutchinson`s credit card to be at this hotel and to stay, as the U.S.

Marshalls told us yesterday to stay overnight. She went from Fort Myers Beach, north of the Florida Coast, stopped in Ocala, this is her driving

the car from the victim Pamela Hutchinson and checked into this hotel wearing the clothes you`re seeing.

There were other videos that came in as well yesterday, a video that was finally released to us at a condo where Pamela Hutchinson`s body was found.

And she is walking from the condo again with the blue shirt. I can`t say it`s the same one, but it sure does look the same as these videos from the

Hilton Hotel. But the condo videos have her walking away from the condo, again with the capri pants and the flip-flops. But look at that white bag,

sort of hard to make out. It looks like it`s one of those carpet bagger bags. I could be mistaken, but it certainly what it looks like. And here

she is driving off, and this is courtesy of the Lee County Sheriff`s Office, driving off in Pamela Hutchinson`s car.

So that video and those clothes, this is her with her hair tied back leaving Fort Myers, the scene of where that body was found. The next one

you saw was north up the coast checking in, in what appears to be the same clothes. She does -- she does have the side bag on, actually I just saw a

glimpse of it, checking into Ocala, Florida, and north up the coast before ultimately going around the horn of the Gulf of Mexico and ending up in

Corpus Christi.

So, Tim, stand by for a minute. That is where I want to bring in Frank Edwards. Obviously, Corpus Christi would be on red alert to know that an

accused double murderer is in our midst and might be headed for the border. What are you finding out from your venue, from your jurisdiction?

FRANK EDWARDS, MORNING SHOW HOST, KRYS: Well, she was last seen on the 8th in Refugio, which is about 35 to 40 minutes from Corpus Christi, that was

the report that came in, she was driving south on Highway 77, 35, 40 minutes from Corpus Christi. I like to say minutes, because if I say

miles, Texas is a big stated, it would scare you, but that was where she was last seen, she is on highway 77, going south, I mean, that was straight

into Mexico. So, I think that is where a lot of people were thinking, well maybe she is heading for the border. Because you`re, you know, two, two

and a half hours away from the Rio Grande Valley and the border and that is where Highway 77 ends up. So, it`s a very common route between Houston and

Mexico taking you on that stretch of road from Refugio South and she was --

BANFIELD: But Frank, can I ask you -- can I ask you just about the border where you are. We -- if you watch the news, all you ever hear is that we

have such a porous southern border and you can`t have border patrols in every single, you know, place. However in that area you`re talking about,

you said Highway 77 going south, how --

EDWARDS: Yes.

BANFIELD: How policed is that border, how easy would it have been if that was her chosen route to break that border and head into Mexico?

EDWARDS: Well, I mean, she would have to go across one of the, you know, border crossings in one of the cities, wherever that may be. I mean, it`s

not -- I mean it is easy to get across from this side if you have a passport, if you have what it takes to get across the border. So when you

go there legally --

[18:10:00] BANFIELD: Not if they are looking for you though, right? I guess my point is Frank, we had heard those U.S. Marshals had alerted

everyone at those border patrols. That if she dare to go pass an actual human official they would have caught her. So, what about the other

options? What about ditching that car somewhere in a desert field and then actually walking across? I can only imagine you`re probably, where are we

now -- into the 80s, high 80s, close to the 90s during the day. It is not an easy journey.

EDWARDS: We`ve had some odd weather this year, that started as we go back to Hurricane Harvey, it snow in December, but it is starting to heat up.

And I would back at you, you know, even if you ditched your vehicle and wanted to start walking, that is not suggested in the Brush Country of

South Texas. There so many, besides just the human element, we`re dealing with the, you know, Mother Nature, dealing with snakes, you are dealing

with just all types of situations that she may not be used to or accustomed to.

It sounds like she is pretty tough, but I`m just not sure if the Brush Country of South Texas is a place that she would want to be wandering

around trying to find her way into Mexico.

BANFIELD: Certainly, yes.

EDWARDS: And then of course once you do get to the river, I mean, if you`re able to get there, they patrol it pretty heavy in those stretches

there from the valley to the Redoes (ph) and all up the border.

BANFIELD: Yes, and all I can say in the pictures we`ve been watching of her, we have not seen an inordinate amount of luggage, we`ve seen her

wearing this flip-flops, we had seen her with a small purse and then that carpet bag that looks pretty small, it almost looks like size of a beach

bag. And she doesn`t seem to be traveling heavy. That could bode well for her. That could be problematic if you`re talking about the environments

that she might have to broach in your area there near Corpus Christi.

EDWARDS: (inaudible) If she did stay here, yes.

BANFIELD: So, I`m just going to hold up this picture -- Yes, real quickly, I wanted to ask you, Frank, if you`ve seen this billboard going up in your

area, they`ve been putting up these electronic billboards of Lois Ann Reiss and the tip lines on it, I am just going to verbalized it, 1-800-780-8477,

easier to remember it as 1-800-780-tips. 1-800-780-tips. Have you seen them?

EDWARDS: I haven`t seen it myself, but I have heard that they`ve gone up and across the Texas and several other states and so, I`m sure that is a

somewhat effective method to get the number across to people. Because if you are driving, and you would see that Acura, you would maybe remember

that number to call it in. But it`s certainly -- you know, she can certainly blend in, Corpus Christi is a tourist town, this area is a big

tourist area and there`s, you know, thousands of people that come to this part of the world to get away. If she is wearing flip-flops, and she is

going to blend in pretty well if she is here.

BANFIELD: Real quickly, Tim Harlow, any idea on the number of tips that might have been coming in to the Feds? Obviously the U.S. Marshalls, in

the number of jurisdictions where they`re looking for her? And again, these particular wanted billboards have gone up in Texas, New Mexico,

Arizona and California. Do we know if she is -- she does blend in, she just looks like anybody`s grandma. Any idea if there`s been a good mining

of tips?

HARLOW: I don`t have a specific number. All I was told is that there were some tips that had been coming in, and they were checking them out. But,

you know, nothing substantial that I`m aware of.

BANFIELD: OK. So let me bring in Vinoo Varghese, real quickly, because I am just wrapping it up, you know what, once they have her, let us just say

they do get her, you`ve got at least two states now where crimes have been committed, possibly a third, if she broached a border and took off through

Texas, and maybe a bank robbery in California, who gets first crack?

VINOO VARGHESE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Whoever gets to her first?

BANFIELD: Really?

VARGHESE: That is how it works. So, whoever sends so the states will hold them, where she is being arrested and held, whoever goes and gets her first

will have first dibs.

BANFIELD: Wow and then of course, once that, you know, that jurisdiction handles it, if she ever gets out of jail, then there`s the other

jurisdictions that have that crack as well. We are going to keep watching this story. Vinoo Varghese, I would ask you to standby if you will. Stay

with us. My thanks to Tim Harlow and Frank Edwards as well. We will stay on that story until Lois Ann Riess is ultimately brought to justice. Let`s

hope she is.

Magician, David Copperfield, his career is built on commanding the spotlight. But being center stage in a courtroom is likely the very last

place he wants to be. Just look at his face, serious as all. He is been forced to share the secrets of his show stopping Lucky 13 number, the Lucky

13 is an illusion that one participant says left him seriously injured and boy are the dominos falling. We`re going to take you to Vegas next.

[18:15:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: He has taken the stage hundreds of times, but now he is taking the stand. I want to take you in to see some live pictures of David

Copperfield`s courtroom. We just lost the live signal, but I`m going to get there if I can. Because David Copperfield is supposed to take the

stand at any time. His producer has been on the stand for a lot of the day. That world famous magician, make no mistake, he is waiting in those

proverbial wings, but he is going to have to testify in this case himself. He is basically about to step into a whole other kind of spotlight, it is

not one that he is used to.

[18:20:02] You`ve seen him like this, an incredible showman, he`s got a standing gig in Vegas, thousands and thousands -- hundreds of thousands of

people watch him either on television or in those seats, regularly. But now he has to go under oath, and he has to do that to defend his magic,

against an audience participant who claims that he was injured by one of David Copperfield`s tricks.

So that guy was randomly selected to be part of Copperfield`s grand finale, a huge disappearing act where so-called Lucky 13 people actually vanish

from the stage and then somehow magically show up in the back of the theater.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DAVID COPPERFIELD, MAGICIAN: Keep it rolling. We`re good. Take them up into the air. Witnesses, make sure you can see all arounds the sides and

behind. The sides and behind. Go, go, go! Hello, guys, hey. Hello.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So that man on your screen, 58-year-old Gavin Cox says that he was hurt in the process of making a trick like that, the one you just saw

happened. Now, he is making the secrets behind the show pretty much common knowledge. Just as David Copperfield prepares to defend his spectacle,

there are some new details coming out from the producer of David Copperfield`s show that kind of make the plaintiff`s case a little more on

the questionable side.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHRIS KENNER, EXECUTIVE PRODUCER FOR DAVID COPPERFIELD: The gentleman slipped during the trick and fell. And the trick, he spoke to him and

asked him if he was OK. He said yes. Mr. Cox said yes. So he went through the meet and greet -- or through the thing with David. At the end

of this thing, Mr. Cox said, you know, maybe I will have this looked at. But the way that it was told to me and the tone, and no disrespect in any

way to anyone, this wasn`t like, you know, there`s a person that is super injured, oh my gosh, it was more like, you know, this guy might have hurt

his shoulder. He is going to go check it out.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So all of it very interesting, joining me now, Patrick Davis on the right-hand side of your screen is a featured performer for Monday Night

Magic, the longest running off Broadway Magic Show in New York, and P.S., he is awesome, standby because you are about to be amaze. Also Rachel

Stockman, amazing in her own write editor in chief of Law and Crime Network. And Defense Attorney, Vinoo Varghese. You are not as pretty as

Rachel, but you are fabulously in what you do at law. Thank you all three of you.

Rachel, you had been following this case and look, we don`t typically cover personal injury case.

RACHEL STOCKMAN, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, LAW AND CRIME NETWORK: Yes.

BANFIELD: And there`s a lot of typicality to this particular series of fact, other than the fact that this is a Vegas show, it is the finale, it`s

a huge trick, it is worth literally millions and millions of dollars to keep those secrets in place. And yet, because of this personal injury case

David Copperfield may have to cough it up.

STOCKMAN: And he really has had to, and he is supposed to take the stand, I`m sure we`re going to see him later either tonight, because it was still

Las Vegas time or tomorrow. And I`ve got to tell you, Ashleigh, the attorneys fought -- his attorney`s fought to keep this from being out in

the public, to fight to keep cameras out of the courtroom.

BANFIELD: Did they cite the millions that would be in jeopardy, how much money he could stand to lose if people knew the secrets behind the trick?

STOCKMAN: Exactly, this is his business. If people know how it is all done, why are people going to go to the show? So they don`t want any of

this to be public. So it is quite extraordinary that we are seeing literally the magic behind the magic.

BANFIELD: Did they try to settle with him, to keep this from going to court?

STOCKMAN: Well, we don`t know what`s exactly happened during the private negotiations, but every attorney that is involved in these type of cases

tell us absolutely they tried to settle this. They didn`t want to go trial, no one ever wants to go to trial and that sort of thing.

BANFIELD: Real quick question. Every time they take a picture of David Copperfield in the courtroom, he is sort of got his hand up into his face

and he look dead serious. And it is not the David Copperfield that I`m used to. I`m used to seeing this guy with loads of makeup, kind of Vegas

show that is so compelling. He barely has to open his mouth and you can`t take your eyes off him. But this is not the guy. Has he shown any sort of

different side knowing he is sort of under the gun?

STOCKMAN: I think you`re absolutely right. This is not the showman that we`re used to all seeing in Las Vegas. Here he is, serious, I mean, he is

scared. He has money here at stake if he loses this case. So, of course he is going to be serious. He is definitely not putting any kind of act on

right now.

[18:25:09] BANFIELD: OK, now, here`s what`s super important, and Patrick and Rachel together, I think you can answer this from your experience of

what`s come out in the case, what`s going to come out, and from your experience from the business of magic, because it is business, folks, make

no mistake, this isn`t just fun and games, this is worth millions. The trick at the end of the show, you know, 13 lucky people get the secret of

that trick every night. So, it`s not like it is such a trade secret.

However, the bones of this trick, the things that happen in this trick could be the bones of many other tricks. Is this the debate that they

tried to raise in the courtroom, Rachel, and is this, Patrick, the critical element of why letting go of the secret of this trick could be the domino

effect for so many others? And either one of you can jump in first, Rachel, maybe what you`ve heard.

STOCKMAN: Well, I think so far, I know just as a viewer, finding out that during this trick they just take them downstairs and run them through the

kitchen and pop them back out, takes the magic out of everything. And so absolutely, that is what we mentioned before. The attorneys were trying to

prevent the public from knowing about this.

BANFIELD: Is this the bones? I mean --

PATRICK DAVIS, FEATURED PERFORMER, MONDAY NIGHT MAGIC: You know, here`s what I would say about this. I think, if you watch this illusion live, and

I have, it is an absolutely unbelievable thing to witness. And I think there`s a little bit of disconnect when we`re talking about it, kind of

outside the show. Where we say, oh, well, you know, I think they`re running people around and doing this or that. Well, yes, I mean --

BANFIELD: You`ve got to be there.

DAVIS: You got to think about it. But David Copperfield is just an incredible performer. When you`re watching him, you`re not watching him

just through the secret. If I tried to do this illusion, if someone else tried to do it, I mean he is top of this profession. And he didn`t get

there just by just being any other magician. Watching David Copperfield do it is an entirely different experience and watching anyone else doing it or

just knowing it how it is done.

BANFIELD: And let`s be clear, there are tricks and there are tricks.

DAVIS: Absolutely.

BANFIELD: I want you to show me the kind of trick where it wouldn`t matter at all if you gave it away. And in fact, I am going to ask you to give it

away. Show me a great trick and then tell me how it`s done so I can wow my guests at the next dinner.

DAVIS: Of course Ashleigh. So actually, I was on the phone all afternoon with other magicians, we are trying to find a trick that we that everyone

would be OK, if we exposed on the air. And so, that is what we are going to do right now. So the first thing I`m going to do Ashleigh, I have a

deck of cards here and I`m going to ask you to select any card you like.

BANFIELD: And we`ve not done this, so don`t go tweeting --

DAVIS: We have not set this up in anyway or anything at all. Yes, I know.

BANFIELD: OK, anyone, anyway, OK.

DAVIS: Anyone of it, yes. I`ll turn my head you can show to the camera. Just done let me see it.

BANFIELD: That is hard.

DAVIS: We`re going to explain the trick. So, yes, I`ll close my eyes.

BANFIELD: Cover your eyes.

DAVIS: You can trust on me being honest, yes.

BANFIELD: I`m going to show it to -- where`s the camera that can see me easiest. Camera one, OK, so, can you guys see that? Everyone sees it

clear? He can`t see it. I hope you can`t see it.

DAVIS: I`m going to turn back around. I just want you to slide your card anywhere under the deck that you like.

BANFIELD: Anyway?

DAVIS: Anywhere into the deck.

BANFIELD: OK.

DAVIS: Right there in the middle is perfect. Now, we are going to push it all the way in there. Now, Ashleigh, do you know any magic words?

BANFIELD: No.

DAVIS: No, is that the magic word?

BANFIELD: Abracadabra.

DAVIS: Abracadabra is a great one. Ashleigh, I am going to set the cards right here on the table, I want you to just now say Abracadabra to the

cards.

BANFIELD: Abracadabra.

DAVIS: And you know what does? I take the cards and I show you, and I show the camera at home, all the cards are now facing the same direction,

except for one card in the middle of the deck. Where is was the good one to show this right here. Is this the card you selected?

BANFIELD: Yes.

DAVIS: Perfect.

BANFIELD: But I put it in upside down, so how did you do it. Don`t do it fast?

DAVIS: How did we do it?

BANFIELD: Because I want to get to the process.

DAVIS: Yes, absolutely fast.

BANFIELD: How did you do it?

DAVIS: So, really quickly, this is a very easy thing, all the magic happens in the moments where I`m distracting you. All I have done is I`ve

taken the bottom card of the deck I`ve turned it face down, when you pick your card, say the two of clubs there, and I ask you to show the camera, I

flip the cards over while no one`s looking.

BANFIELD: That is simple.

DAVIS: You slide it in, just like that.

BANFIELD: You are not going to lose million dollars.

DAVIS: No, this is not a million dollar trick like David Copperfield.

BANFIELD: OK. You wowed us by reading my mind, when I picked -- out of the blue in my head, I picked Trump, and he guessed it in three questions,

and I don`t know how. And that sounds simple. But it wasn`t as simple if you`re not watching the show last night, I`m sorry. Show me some more.

DAVIS: Yes. That was a little bit slight of mind.

BANFIELD: Would you dare tell your trade secrets?

DAVIS: No, not at all. So I have here one, two, three, four silver dollars. Now, I will show them up here, I will put them up in my hand so

we can all see. One, two, three, four silver dollars.

BANFIELD: OK.

DAVIS: Now, watch closely, we`re going to take this four silver dollars, we are going to start with all of them in the left hand here. I`m going to

shake right here, and I will shake this hand as well, and that takes us to three coins in the left hand, and one coin in the right-hand.

BANFIELD: That is crazy.

DAVIS: I know, now here`s the thing, Ashleigh, your viewers at home right now are probably going crazy saying that the coin came from my sleeve or

something like that.

BANFIELD: Yes.

DAVIS: You`re not wearing sleeves, however.

BANFIELD: Nope.

DAVIS: Let`s do these trick in your hand. One hand is all I need, flat like a table.

BANFIELD: OK.

DAVIS: I`m going to give you all four of the coins, we have one, two, three and four. Now, Ashleigh in just a moment I am going to take one

those coins from you.

BANFIELD: OK.

DAVIS: As soon as I take the coin out of your hand, I want you to close your hand as tight as you can, so I can`t get to the other three, but also

close it as fast as you can.

BANFIELD: OK.

DAVIS: So there is no time for the viewers at home to think I`m going something sneaky.

BANFIELD: OK.

DAVIS: Are my hands empty, Ashleigh?

BANFIELD: They`re empty, and his sleeves are back.

DAVIS: Perfect, we will do this on the count of three. I`ll take the coin, you will close your hand and here we go, one two, three, close your

hands as tight as you can hold it nice and tight.

BANFIELD: I get it. One and I got the three, I saw them as I close my hand.

DAVIS: Perfect I`m going to take my coin right here, and the coin is going to do the same thing you did last time, it is going to jump from my hand it

is going through the air into your hands without you ever noticing it, seeing it or feeling it.

BANFIELD: Not a chance.

DAVIS: Are you ready?

BANFIELD: I am.

DAVIS: Watch closely, Ashleigh. One, two and three, and just like that, I have nothing. Open your hand. Show your viewers how many you have.

BANFIELD: Oh, come on.

DAVIS: Go ahead.

BANFIELD: OK. That`s nuts. I saw the coin disappear.

DAVIS: Count them out for everyone at home. We have one, we have two, we have three, and we have four right there.

BANFIELD: So I was staring at him. Did this come off on television as crazy as it did right here? Rachel (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE).

(LAUGHTER)

BANFIELD: I want that trade secret. You can`t give that away?

DAVIS: No, that one goes to my grave.

BANFIELD: Wow! And your magician friends, some of them know it? And you`re also --

DAVIS: Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. We`re a tight-knit community, we discuss these things all the time.

BANFIELD: The black wall.

DAVIS: Oh, yes. Oh, yes.

BANFIELD: OK. I want you to stay with us and everything.

DAVIS: Yes, absolutely.

BANFIELD: When he goes on the stand, I really want to hear how he`s going to try to get around this or if he`s going to have to just lay down the

black wall and throw that out there. Your business is awesome!

(LAUGHTER)

DAVIS: I appreciate that.

BANFIELD: Thank you, Patrick. Thank you, Rachel (ph). Vinoo, you have to stick around as well.

Tonight, there is an international manhunt which is under way for a missing marine. And before you`re worried ability him, he`s suspected of killing

his girlfriend. And now her mom is part of the search. And she just happens to be a former detective, which is not good news for him. You won`t believe

where they think he is.

[18:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: You always hope that a fugitive is suffering, if a fugitive is running from the police, right? But one San Diego murder suspect has

seemingly been living it up, partying in clubs and strip joints, all around the world, in fact. Dancing, doing drugs just steps away from some of the

most beautiful beaches that the world has to offer.

Meet RJ McLeod. Doesn`t seem to care that he is accused of strangling that beautiful woman on the right-hand side of your screen, killing her.

Gorgeous single mother that he had only been dating just a few weeks.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SUMMER STEPHAN, SAN DIEGO COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY: A 911 call (INAUDIBLE) apartment in Allied Gardens, San Diego, where Krystal`s body was found.

There were clear signs of struggle. And Krystal had numerous injuries. There was blunt force trauma, including to her face and torso. McLeod had

brutally strangled Krystal to death, choking the very life out of her. There were multiple fractures to her neck area.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Krystal Mitchell left behind a 7-year-old daughter and an 8- year-old son. She`s also survived by her mother. And her mother just happens to be a former police detective, who is determined to hunt down the

man she says killed her daughter and even allegedly drove off in her daughter`s car to go and party his worries away.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOSEPHINE FUNES WENTZEL, VICTIM`S MOTHER: She was just full of life, joy, and she just had a sweet heart. She loved people. She loved San Diego. She

came here quite frequently and the last thing she said to me was, mom, I`m going to move to San Diego. Catching him would not bring my daughter back,

but catching him would mean that somebody else`s daughter does not have to die.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: And catching him could happen in a whole other country because so far he has been spotted in Mexico and in Belize and in Guatemala. But

authorities in the United States are still working hard to bring him here. Police in San Diego just raising the reward on his back to $11,000.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

STEPHAN: We`re not going to let this defendant run from justice and get away with murder. We`re asking for anyone with information to come forward

so McLeod can be captured, returned to San Diego, and held accountable for this brutal crime.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Joining me now is Steve Jurman, his commander for the San Diego Fugitive Task Force. Also with me is Josephine Funes Wentzel. She is the

mother of Krystal Mitchell. Still with me is Attorney Vinoo Varghese.

If I can begin with you, Josephine, and first and foremost, our thoughts go out to you. I am so sorry for your loss. Your daughter was simply stunning.

And the fact that you`re a detective must be a small consolation in that you can help as most victims` family members can`t. Is your help helping?

WENTZEL: Very much so. As you know, most witnesses will probably approach the victim`s mother before they approach the police.

[18:40:06] So, I get a lot of tips through social media.

BANFIELD: And in social media, you`re able to get around the world in a split second. Are you getting tips in from these countries, Mexico and

Guatemala and the third one was Belize? I mean these are beautiful tourist destinations. Are American tourists recognizing him from coverage and from

social media and sending in the tips?

WENTZEL: Well, I know the messages, they`re out there, the information. I have received quite a bit of support from the expats in those countries.

But no one is able to help us at this point as far as the expats are concerned.

BANFIELD: And is there anything that you can tell us about the sightings, whether it`s where the sightings were, what he was doing, what he looked

like when the sightings happened, what do you know?

WENTZEL: Well, I know when he was sighted in Belize originally, I know that, you know, he`s had facial hair. He has the same marine cut. The same

situation was in Livingston, Guatemala. He pretty much looked the same. But every once in a while he`d have the facial hair and sometimes he would not.

BANFIELD: And then do me a favor, Josephine, give me a bit of an idea. We broadcast, by the way, in central America and in Mexico, so people might be

watching right now in their hotel room after a day at the beach or in the pool and may just have seen him today.

So I think it`s critical that we`re very specific about what this guy does. Because it`s rumored that he spends a lot of time in strip clubs and

nightclubs. And that he`s very, very friendly and has a son himself so he can come across as charming. Fill that in for me.

WENTZEL: Well, you know, from what I studied about him, he has a certain M.O. He`s attracted to beautiful women with long, dark hair. Unbeknownst to

my daughter, she was his next victim. And he was actually stalking her. She didn`t realize that was happening.

But anyway, he is extremely charming. He comes across as friendly, a marine, want to help, let me save you kind of a person. And then he snaps

and changes. And he`ll just strike out at women.

BANFIELD: He`s also got a history of violence against women, Josephine. As we have found out, he had a former wife. There is a pending felony case

against him for having been accused of strangling this former wife and luckily a roommate walked in and caught that and stopped it from happening.

And then a prior conviction, a misdemeanor related to another wife. What was that incident about?

WENTZEL: So back in 2009, I believe it was, I found a record where he violated a restraining order in Phoenix, Arizona and apparently assaulted

his wife and his child. And, you know, that should have been a felony actually. But it was a misdemeanor and they basically had him watch some

(INAUDIBLE) and released him. There was no record.

If they would have done due diligence, my daughter would have seen that he had a domestic violence in his background. She never, ever, ever would have

had anything to do with him. And by the way, I found out he was still married. He`s not -- he`s not divorced from the woman he tried to kill

right before my daughter.

BANFIELD: Wow.

WENTZEL: He was married to her, and she`s still married to her. It was friends that were there that came to her aid.

BANFIELD: So, let`s be really clear, the pictures you`re seeing on the screen, there he is clean shaven, former marine, loads of tattoos,

extremely buff. There he is with a full beard. And police and authorities who are searching for him think he could look like either of these

pictures. But those tattoos don`t go away earlier.

I`m going to ask all of you to stick around. We`re going to talk a little bit more about potential sightings in South America and tracking this man.

What`s been done to track him? And if you`re watching in South America, 888-580-tips, 888-580-tips. Back right after this with the U.S. Marshals.

[18:45:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: Still talking about that muscled out marine accused of using all his strength and training to strangle his new girlfriend. And the search

tonight to make sure that he never harms another woman again, but where RJ McLeod is, is a complete mystery right now because he`s been on the run for

nearly two years.

That`s why the U.S. Marshals are so important. Steve Jurman is with Marshals. You also just happens to be the supervisory deputy to commander

of the San Diego Fugitive Task Force. So, Deputy Jurman, help me out. How tough is this to find a guy once he`s left our borders?

STEVE JURMAN, SUPERVISORY DEPUTY, U.S. MARSHALS SERVICE (via telephone): You know, it becomes a little more difficult but certainly nothing is

impossible. Marshal Service will never give up no matter where he ran to.

BANFIELD: And you had an anonymous tip, right, from a woman in one of these communities? Can you expound on it.

JURMAN (via telephone): We`ve gotten numerous tips that we`ve been able to verify that essentially he left the San Diego area, traveled through

Mexico, and then down in Central America. We have a confirmed sighting in Guatemala and Belize. All three of those tips from different resources have

been confirmed.

[18:50:03] And we have every reason to believe that he`s still in Central America.

BANFIELD: I`m curious about -- when they call the tip in, in particular, what are they saying about him? I saw him or this is what he`s like and I

got an uneasy feeling, or what are they saying?

JURMAN (via telephone): Oftentimes it`s very different. We have to chase down every single lead so it could be something as simple as we saw him at

a bus stop or I know him, I`ve partied with him before at this club at this date, or maybe he`s staying in this hotel. You just never know what you`re

going to get. But you have to run down absolutely every single one. That`s a very cumbersome task.

BANFIELD: Those tattoos you can see right there are really recognizable. He has two, like, almost complete sleeves. One that looks like a nuclear

emblem on his left bicep and we can see the skull and cross ones on the right there. Let`s keep the banner down for a minute when we`re looking at

those tattoos because I think that`s really helpful.

And deputy, I do want to let you know, our broadcast, we`re actually live in Central America and in Mexico as well. So, anybody who is watching, take

a really good look at those tattoos. Imagine that face with a beard and imagine bearded face without the beard. And that`s who we`re looking for.

I just want to ask you a little bit about his M.O. because we`ve been hearing that he spends a lot of time in the nightclubs, a lot of time in

the strip clubs. He likes the night life and that he uses Coke and weed and might go by the name of Matt or Mateo. How do you know that?

JURMAN (via telephone): He also went by the name RJ when he was living here in the United States. The Matt and Mateo are (INAUDIBLE) on a name

that we think he was using was his half brother or brother`s name, and he seems to maybe have adopted that.

BANFIELD: So, the question is, an $11,000 reward goes a long way in Central America. Are there posters of his face all over the place in these

particular countries and in the ex-pat communities where you think he might be hanging out, you know, those coastal communities with beautiful beaches

and bars and beautiful women near the shores?

JURMAN (via telephone): Yes, absolutely. We have peppered all of Central America and lower Mexico as well as San Diego and Phoenix where he has

friends. But absolutely those tattoos will be his undoing because they are very distinguishable and that`s how we`re getting positive sightings.

BANFIELD: Deputy, I hope you can catch this guy. I mean, he`s got a history with women, hurting them to the point where he ultimately is

alleged to have killed Krystal Mitchell.

Real quickly, Vinoo, if they catch him, those three countries, Mexico, not so tough. What about Belize and what about Guatemala in terms of

extraditing him and getting him back to America to face murder?

VINOO VARGHESE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Those countries have extradition treaties, both those countries, with the United States. But I know from

personal experience that sometimes it`s not always quick. I had a client who was in South American country, not Central America, in Brazil, I went

down to Brazilian prison to meet with him and it took three years to bring him back.

BANFIELD: This is California, where this woman was killed. There`s a death penalty there. And I know for a fact that a lot of countries will not

extradite people back to these jurisdictions unless these jurisdictions promise no death penalty.

VARGHESE: That`s correct. And that`s actually a big issue. They will get a resolution or get something in writing from these countries or from the

states saying they will not extradite, they will not impose the death penalty.

BANFIELD: First they have to find him and that`s no small order. It`s a tall order. So once again, the tip line, real quickly, especially if you`re

watching us from one of those countries, in particular Belize, Guatemala, even in Mexico, we broadcast in all those countries, 888-580-tips, 888-580-

8477.

If that doesn`t work from your calling area, just call your local police and do your very best to get that information. Again, there are other

people who could be in danger.

I got one more thing for you tonight. A terrifying reminder of officers and the danger they have every day when they respond to a 911 call. Hard to

believe that no one was killed in this one.

[18:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: One more thing for you tonight and it is another reminder of the bravery that our police and first responders face every day. I want to show

you a scene that Hurst, Texas police drove up to when they got a call about an SUV slamming into a house.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(SIREN)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE).

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: That is what ultimately happened after the accident. Miraculously no one killed in that fireball. When you see this, from across

the street, it`s almost even more amazing.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(SIREN)

[19:00:01] BANFIELD (voice over): The roof blown right off. As that debris rained down the two responding officers raced into the house to

rescue three people trapped inside. Those homeowners sustained serious burns but they are said to be recovering from their injuries and hats off

to those officers. Thank God they are OK.

The next hour of CRIME & JUSTICE starts right now.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: It took six hours to find him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This young man was crying out for help.

BANFIELD: The 16-year-old stuck inside his own van.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is not a joke. I am trapped inside my gold Honda Odyssey van.

BANFIELD: And by then it was already too late.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tell my mom I love her if I die.

BANFIELD: The dispatchers didn`t tell officers which car to look for.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was a really strange call.

BANFIELD: And now a city councilman might be adding insult to injury.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s no amount of money that`s going to make you happen.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`ve cross it had line. -- crossed the line.

BANFIELD: He`s taken the world by wonder.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Witnesses make sure you can see all around the sides and behind.

BANFIELD: And now he`s taking the stand. David Copperfield`s biggest reveal yet, why he is being forced to unveil the tricks behind his magic.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They are in this confined space so you will stand up, hurry, come with me.

BANFIELD: But new details are coming to light about the audience member who`s suing him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He spoke to him, and asked him if he was OK. He said yes. Mr. Cox said yes.

BANFIELD: And the manhunt for a marine, wanted for murder.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He will be held accountable and justice will prevail.

BANFIELD: The muscled up fugitive accused of strangling his girlfriend.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are not going to let this defendant run from justice and get away with murder.

BANFIELD: We talked to the woman hot on his tail, she is the victim`s mother and grandmother to the kids left behind. But she is also a former

detective.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Catching him would mean somebody else`s daughter does not have to die.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: Good evening, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. And welcome to the second hour of CRIME AND JUSTICE.

In Cincinnati, Ohio, a family has been waiting for answers. Why did it take six hours before someone found their son suffocated in the back of his

own van? And why was that someone his father? Because the police officers called to the scene couldn`t locate the car. And how could the city

council add insult to injury by making this all about money when the dispatcher who sent police to the scene didn`t even tell the officers the

car`s make or model or description. Even after that kid, Kyle Plush, used his final desperate breaths to tell that dispatcher all of the life-saving

details.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Cincinnati 911, what is the address to your emergency?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Help me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anyone there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I can`t hear what you are saying. Just send quickly. I`m stuck in an Odyssey van. I probably don`t have much time left. So

tell my mom that I love her if I die. This is not a joke. This is not a joke. I am trapped inside my gold Honda Odyssey van in the sophomore

parking lot of Seven Hills. Send officers immediately. I`m almost dead.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: Kyle Plush wasn`t joking. Kyle Plush died in that van trapped under a fold-down backseat. And since then it`s been on city leaders to

explain why, why their officers couldn`t save him.

The police chief launched an investigation and the city council called for a meeting and it`s that meeting where Kyle`s family got an answer that,

let`s just say, didn`t instill any faith in their leaders.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On the day you lost your son it seems to me that everything that could possibly go wrong went wrong. And I don`t know that

any level of finger pointing or witch hunting or anything of the kind is going to change that. No matter what happened on that particular day, your

son was not going to be saved. That is not a good outcome. And I don`t say that lightly, and I don`t mean to sound insensitive.

I suspect that there will be attempts to do what the law allows to be done to try to, in some way, make up for what happened with you. But there`s no

amount of money that`s going to make you happy. There`s no amount of --.

[19:05:19] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s not money.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I believe that. There`s no amount of blame that`s going to make the situation better. So I think that at the end of the day

--

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let`s stop this right here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: At the end of the day.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is the most insensitive thing I have ever heard. You guys were doing this wonderful until this guy started talking. I`m

sorry but this -- you have crossed the line.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: At the end of the day, what I wanted to say, simply, is that I hope that we are able to find the solution that, again, makes

certain we don`t suffer this again.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: That solution may be real tough now.

Joining me now, Sharon Coolidge, city hall reporter for the Cincinnati Inquirer. Also with me, Cincinnati council member P.G. Sittenfield,

defense attorney Vinoo Varghese is with me live and Ari Zoldan is the technology analyst and chairman of Quantum Media Group. He is with me as

well to try to sort through how this could have happened.

Sharon, if I could just begin with you. You were at that meeting on television. It looked painful, it looked awkward, it looked awful, was it

as bad in person, was it worse?

SHARON COOLIDGE, CITY HALL REPORTER, THE CINCINNATI ENQUIRER: You know what? It was as bad as it seems, honestly. We had spent -- people are

trying to get to the bottom of what happened here. There is a police investigation that`s ongoing, but we, you know, this city has a very

troubled 911 center. It`s had problems for years. And, you know, these details are coming out now. We have heard some in the past. But we sat

through five hours of testimony yesterday from employee after employee telling us all about the problems. And it was hard to hear, about, you

know, the hardships they go through, the short staffing, you know, things that are life and death. And at the end of that hearing, and it was a huge

surprise to everyone in chambers that the Plush family did attend this. They sent out a list of who had been called there. But we arrived, and we

found them in the front row. This is -- this is a day after they buried their child that they were there.

BANFIELD: Yes, Sharon, we should mention, this was not a quick hearing. This was a five-hour hearing that was attended by police, by the emergency

communications representatives, by union leaders, by dispatchers. I mean, this was a real attempt at getting answers to all of these plaguing

problems that the system is undergoing. And I`m going to get to that with P.G. Sittenfield, the city council member in a moment.

But I want to get to the heart of that instant where Councilman Wendell Young said what he said. I honestly - I wanted to see it for the first

live. I read the transcript of it. It looked awful. But when I wanted it live, I wasn`t sure if he misspoke, if he used words that were less than

tender without intention, or whether he was trying to offset some kind of financial litigation. Did you get a sense live?

COOLIDGE: You know, I honestly -- I don`t know what he was thinking. As he was speaking, you could see the family growing very upset. And like a

chilled silence filled the room. That you could see that they were at their growing, you know, pain and anguish at these words. And when this

councilman Wendell Young brought up the lawsuit, I mean, they spoke back to him. And that`s not a setting where somebody in the audience, like,

speaks, or is supposed to speak, I mean, there`s a decorum in there. And everybody was following it throughout the hearing.

BANFIELD: And listen, we shouldn`t even say the word lawsuit, I don`t know this information yet, there is no lawsuit, no one has sued anyone yet, that

is absolutely on the table, but this was just councilman young bringing up money matters. Am I correct? There is no lawsuit, right?

COOLIDGE: He did. And you know, those words actually came on the heels of him talking about, you know, everybody did their best. This isn`t a witch-

hunt. And, you know, those aren`t things that we actually know yet. That family came here for answers. They said in their statement that they were

looking for answers. Citizens are looking for answers. That`s what we are seeing and that`s what we are hearing from people in our community. And we

don`t have them yet.

BANFIELD: Yes. I mean, talk about insensitive words. You just don`t say witch-hunt. This isn`t a witch-hunt. This is a dead child. Answers about

why a child died this needlessly to get to the bottom of the problems in that city, and that city council.

Hold for a minute, Sharon, if you will. I want to bring in P.G. Sittenfield.

Listen, I want to read, sir, if I can, first and foremost, the apology that has come from your fellow counselor Wendell Young. Because he told the

Cincinnati Enquirer, and as I understand it, he said in city council as well and I`m going to quote him.

"I never meant to hurt their feelings. I am sincerely sorry about what happened. They are upset, legitimately so with me. I`m sorry about that."

First and foremost, council member Sittenfield, is that enough? And was it bigger, bolder, in person than it was in quote "to the paper?"

[19:10:36] P.G. SITTENFIELD, CINCINNATI COUNCILMEMBER: Ashleigh, let me just start by saying our community`s hearts are broken because the reality

is that Kyle Plush should still be with us today. He should still be alive. And frankly, nothing is enough given the reality of, you know, that

the unimaginable happened.

So, you know, I`m not going to speak for my colleague. I know that the words hit with a thud. Certainly nothing I ever would have said. But I do

also want to know, you know, I talked to Ron Plush, the father as recently as 9:30 p.m. last night. And I would be remiss if I didn`t say that the

Plush family, both Ron and Jill, as well as extended family have shown more grace and more courage and more resilience than I think I knew was possible

in this.

So, you know, it is a heartbreaking tragedy. And, you know, I personally promised Mr. Plush yesterday that I will do everything in my power to make

getting this right, the city`s top order of business. So it`s a tragedy. And, you know, I certainly -- my colleague`s comments were insensitive. I

would never have said them myself. But I know Ron also did say to me last night over the course of a five-hour hearing, he did appreciate the

seriousness and the respect that the majority of council showed to a situation which we should never even have been in. Kyle should still be

with us today.

BANFIELD: I should mention that some of the issues that were brought up about the emergency system, and granted Cincinnati is 300,000 people. I

think people think it is bigger maybe than it is. And the budget is 300,000 people as taxpayers. There`s too much O.T. There are complaints

of not enough training, but there is not enough staff on those emergency lines and that the turnover is broad.

And maybe to that, let me bring in Ari Zoldan for a moment. Because I feel like, no matter how exhausted you are as an emergency operator or how much

O.T. you have put in, that child was on a cell phone. And as I understand it, you can trace a cell phone almost instantaneously by pinging it. Am I

wrong?

ARI ZOLDAN, CHAIRMAN, QUANTUM MEDIA GROUP: Hi, Ashleigh. Pretty much. I mean, what happens is that a signal goes out to the cell carrier, and

there`s a data exchange that happens. I mean, that could happen anywhere from a few seconds up to a few minutes. But, you know, we are not talking

anything north of a half hour, an hour, two hours, or three hours.

So I mean, my suggestion, and I`m sure that they have thought about this, is that a serious technology audit has to be done. Because this shouldn`t

have happened, especially today with how advanced these mobile phones are.

BANFIELD: Boy, I`ll say. Vinoo, really quickly, the counselor said before he apologized, there`s no amount of money that`s going to make you happy.

I don`t think this is about being happy. But I mean, I don`t sense this is a difficult wrongful case death to win.

VINOO VARGHESE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I think there is going to be two different factors here or two different entities. One, you are going to

look at Honda, to see what caused this? Was it a design defect?

BANFIELD: And pop up the picture, if we can, Cincinnati Inquirer put together this image. And that he is going over to get his tennis gear.

This is how he decided to go over and get the gear, and ultimately that seat folds backwards and that was how he was in. So one entity would be

Honda. And what about the 911?

VARGHESE: Absolutely. I mean, you have got to look at the response time. And they were on notice. I mean, the budget`s been cut since 2016. The

$10 million budget has been reduced to $400,000 since 2016. So they are on notice.

BANFIELD: We will watch to see.

Sharon Coolidge, P.G. Sittenfield, Ari Zoldan and Vinoo Varghese, I`m going to ask you to stay. Thank you to all my guests.

Magician David Copperfield`s career is built on commanding the spotlight, but not this way. He is center stage in a courtroom right now, probably

real uncomfortable. Because he is being forced to share the secrets of his trade. The show stopping ends number, lucky 13, an illusion that one

participants says left him seriously injured and he sued.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:19:25] BANFIELD: He has taken the stage hundreds of times, but now he is taking the stand. I want to take you in to see some live pictures of

David Copperfield`s courtroom. We just lost the live signal. I`m going to get there if I can. Because David Copperfield is supposed to take the

stand at any time. His producer has been on the stand for a lot of the day. But that world famous magician, make no mistake, he is waiting in the

proverbial wings, if he is going to have to testify in this case himself.

He is basically about to step into a whole other kind of spotlight. It is not one that he is used to. You have seen him like this, an incredible

showman. He has got a standing gig in Vegas. Thousands and thousands -- hundreds of thousands of people watch him either on television or in those

seats, regularly. But now he has to go under oath and he has to do that to defend his magic, against an audience participant who claims that he was

injured by one of David Copperfield`s tricks.

So that guy was randomly selected to be part of Copperfield`s grand finale, a huge disappearing act where so-called lucky 13 people actually vanish

from the stage and then somehow magically show up in the back of the theater.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

[19:20:39] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Keep it rolling. We are good. Take them up into the air. Witnesses, make sure you can see all around the sides and

behind.

Hello, guys, hey. Hello.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So that man on your screen, 58-year-old Gavin Cox says that he was hurt in the process of making a trick like that, the one you just saw

happened. Now, he is making the secrets behind the show, pretty much common knowledge.

But just as David Copperfield prepares to defend his spectacle, there are new details coming out from the producer of David Copperfield show that

kind of make the plaintiff`s case a little more on the questionable side.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHRIS KENNER, EXECUTIVE PRODUCER FOR DAVID COPPERFIELD: He said that gentleman slipped during the trick and fell. And the trick, he spoke to

him and asked him if he was OK. He said yes. Mr. Cox said yes. So he went through the meet and greet -- or through the thing with David. At the

end of this thing, Mr. Cox said, you know, maybe I will have this looked at. So the way that it was told to me and the tone, and no disrespect in

any way to anyone, this wasn`t like, you know, there`s a person that`s super injured, oh my God, it was more like, you know, hey, this guy might

have hurt his shoulder. He is going to go check it out.

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BANFIELD: So all of it very interesting, joining me now, Patrick Davis on the right-hand side of your screen is a featured performer for "Monday

Night Magic," the longest running off Broadway magic show in New York. And p.s., he is awesome. Stand by because you are about to be amazed. Also

Rachel Stockman, amazing in her own right, editor-in-chief of Law and Crime Network. And defense attorney Vinoo Varghese. You are not as pretty as

Rachel, but you are fabulous in what you do as well.

VARGHESE: Thank you.

BANFIELD: So thank you all three of you.

Rachel. You have been following this case. And look, we don`t typically covered personal injury case.

RACHEL STOCKMAN, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, LAW AND CRIME NETWORK: No.

BANFIELD: And there`s a lot of typicality to this particular series of facts, other than the fact that this is a Vegas show, it is the finale,

it`s a huge trick, it is worth literally millions and millions of dollars to keep those secrets in place. And yet, because of this personal injury

case David Copperfield may have to cough it up.

STOCKMAN: And he really has had to, and he is supposed to take the stand. I`m sure we are going to see him later either tonight because it is still

Las Vegas time or tomorrow. And I have got to tell you, Ashleigh, the attorneys fought - his attorneys fought to keep this from being out in the

public, to fight to keep cameras out of the courtroom.

BANFIELD: Did they cite the millions and that would be in jeopardy, how much money he could stand to lose if people knew the secrets behind the

trick?

STOCKMAN: Exactly. This is his business. If people know how it`s all done, why are people going to go to the show? So they didn`t any of this

to be public. So it is quite extraordinary that we are seeing literally the magic behind the magic.

BANFIELD: Did they try to settle with him to keep this from going to court?

STOCKMAN: Well, we don`t know what`s happened during the private negotiations, but every attorney that is involved in these type of cases

tell us absolutely they tried to settle this. They didn`t want to go trial. No one ever wants to go to trial in these sorts of things.

BANFIELD: Quick question. Every time we take a picture of David Copperfield n the courtroom, he is sort to get his hand up to his face and

he looks dead serious. And it is not the David Copperfield I`m used to. I`m used to seeing this guy with loads of makeup doing a biggest show that

is so compelling. He barely has to open his mouth and you can`t take your eyes off him. But this is not the guy. Has he shown any sort of different

side knowing that he is sort of under the gun?

STOCKMAN: I think you`re absolutely right. This is not the showman that we are used to all seeing in Las Vegas. Here he is, serious. I mean, he

is scared. He has money here at stake if he loses this case. So of course he is going to be serious. He is definitely not putting any kind of act on

right now.

[19:25:01] BANFIELD: OK. Now, here`s what`s super important, and Patrick and Rachel together, I think you can answer this from your experience of

what`s come out in the case, what`s going to come out. And from your experience from the business of magic, it is business, folks, make no

mistake, this isn`t fun and games, this is worth millions.

The trick at the end of the show, you know, 13 lucky people get the secret of that trick every night. So it`s not like it is such a trade secret.

However, the bones of this trick, the things that happen in this trick could be the bones of many other tricks. Is this the debate that they

tried to raise in the courtroom, Rachel? And is this, Patrick, the critical element of why letting go of the secret of this trick could be the

domino effect for so many others? And either one of you can jump in first. Rachel, maybe what you have heard.

STOCKMAN: Well, I think so far, I know just as a viewer, finding out that during this trick they just take them downstairs and run them through the

kitchen and pop them back out takes the magic out of everything. And so, absolutely, that`s why we mentioned before, the attorneys were trying to

prevent the public from knowing about this.

BANFIELD: And is this the bones? I mean --.

PATRICK DAVIS, FEATURED PERFORMER, MONDAY NIGHT MAGIC: You know, here`s what I have been saying about this. I think if you watch this illusion

live, and I have, it is an absolutely unbelievable thing to witness. And I think there`s a little bit of disconnect when we are talking about it kind

of outside the show where we say, oh, well, you know, I think they are running people around and they are doing this or that. Well, yes. I mean,

anyone who thinks --

BANFIELD: You have got to be there.

DAVIS: You got to think about.

BANFIELD: You have got to be there.

DAVIS: But David Copperfield is just an incredible performer. When you are watching him, you are not watching him just through the secret. If I

tried to do this illusion, if someone else tried to do it - I mean, he is the top of this profession. And he didn`t get there just by being any

other magician. Watching David Copperfield do it is an entirely different experience than watching anyone else doing it or just knowing how it`s

done.

BANFIELD: And let`s be clear, there are tricks and there are tricks.

DAVIS: Absolutely.

BANFIELD: I want you to show me the kind of trick where it wouldn`t matter at all if you gave it away. And in fact, I`m going to ask you to give it

away. Show me a great trick and then tell me how it`s done so I can wow my guests at the next dinner.

DAVIS: Of course, Ashleigh. So actually, I was on the phone all afternoon with other magicians, we were trying to find a trick that would everyone be

OK if we exposed on the air. And so that is what we are going to do right now.

So the first thing I`m going to do, Ashleigh, I have a deck of cards here. I`m going to ask you to select a card you like.

BANFIELD: And we have not done this.

DAVIS: We have not set this up in any way.

BANFIELD: Don`t go tweeting. OK, any one, anyway.

DAVIS: Any one. I`ll turn my head. You can show it to the camera.

BANFIELD: Well, I can`t. Well, that is going to be hard. OK. So what I`m going --.

DAVIS: We are going to explain the trick. So -- I`ll close my eyes.

BANFIELD: Yes. Cover your eyes. I`m going to show it to - where is the camera that can see me easiest. Camera one. OK. So can you guys see

that? Everyone sees it clear? He can`t see it. I hope you can`t see it. OK.

DAVIS: I`m going to turn back around. I just want you to slide your card anywhere under the deck you like.

BANFIELD: Any way?

DAVIS: Anywhere into the deck, yes.

BANFIELD: OK.

DAVIS: Right there in the middle is perfect. We are going to push it all the way in there. Now, Ashleigh, do you know any magic words?

BANFIELD: No.

DAVIS: No.

BANFIELD: OK.

DAVIS: Is that the magic word, no?

BANFIELD: How about abracadabra.

DAVIS: Abracadabra is a great one. Ashleigh, I`m going to set the cards right here on the table. I want you to just now say abracadabra to the

cards.

BANFIELD: Abracadabra.

DAVIS: And you know, what that does? If I take the cards and I show you and I show the camera at home. All the cards are now facing the same

direction, except for one card in the middle of the deck. Where is the one to show this? Is this the card you selected?

BANFIELD: Yes. But I put it in upside down. So how do you do it? But do it fast because I want to get to the case.

DAVIS: Yes, absolutely fast. So really quickly, this is a very easy thing. All the magic hopes in the moments where I`m distracting you. All

I have done is I have taken the bottom card of the deck. I have turned it face down. When you pick your card, say the two of clubs there, and I ask

you to show the camera, I flip the cards over while no one is looking.

BANFIELD: That`s simple.

DAVIS: You slide it in just like that.

BANFIELD: You are not going to lose millions of dollars --.

DAVIS: No. This is not a million-dollar trick like David Copperfield.

BANFIELD: OK. You wowed me last night by reading my mind when I picked -- out of the blue in my head, I picked Trump, and he guessed it in three

questions, and I don`t know how. That sounds simple. But it wasn`t as simple if you are not watching the show last night. I`m sorry. But show

me something else.

DAVIS: Yes. That was a slight of mind.

BANFIELD: You wouldn`t dare tell your trade secrets?

DAVIS: No, not at all.

So I have here one, two, three, four, silver dollars. And I will show them up. I`ll put them in my hand so we can all see. One, two, three, four

silver dollars.

BANFIELD: OK.

DAVIS: Now, watch closely. We are take these four silver dollars. We are going to start with all of them in the left hand here. I`m going closed

the hand. I`m going to shake right here and I will shake this hand as well. And that takes us to three coins in the left hand, one coin in the

right-hand.

BANFIELD: That`s crazy.

DAVIS: Now here`s the thing, Ashleigh. Your viewers at home right now are probably going crazy saying, the coin came from my sleeve or something like

that.

BANFIELD: Yes.

DAVIS: You are not wearing sleeves, however.

BANFIELD: No.

DAVIS: So let`s do the trick in your hand. One hand is all I need, flat like a table.

BANFIELD: OK.

DAVIS: I`m going to give you all four of the coins. We have one, two, three and four. Now, Ashleigh in just a moment I`m going to take one of

those coins from you.

BANFIELD: OK.

DAVIS: As soon as I take the coin out of your hand, I want you close your hand as tight as you can. So that I can`t get to the other three. But

also close it as fast as you can.

BANFIELD: OK.

DAVIS: So there is no time for the viewers at home to think I`m doing something sneaky or like that.

BANFIELD: OK.

DAVIS: Are your hands empty, Ashleigh?

BANFIELD: They are empty and his sleeves are back.

DAVIS: Perfect. We will do this on the count of three. I will take the coin, you will close your hand. Here we go. One, two, three. Close your

hand as tight as you can. Hold it nice and tight.

BANFIELD: I did it. I keep on one and I got this three. I saw them as I close my hands.

DAVIS: Perfect. I`m going to take my coin right here. And the coin is going to do the same thing you did last time. It`s going to jump from my

hand, through the air in your hand, without you noticing it, seeing it, or feeling it?

[19:30:02] BANFIELD: Not a chance.

DAVIS: Are you ready?

BANFIELD: I am.

DAVIS: Watch closely, Ashleigh. One, two and three, and just like that I have nothing. Open your hands. Show your viewers how many do you have.

BANFIELD: Come on.

DAVIS: Go ahead.

BANFIELD: OK. That`s enough. I saw --.

[19:30:00] PATRICK DAVIS, FEATURED PERFORMER, MONDAY NIGHT MAGIC: -- in your hand, without you ever noticing it, seeing it, or feeling it.

ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HLN HOST: Not a chance.

DAVIS: Are you ready?

BANFIELD: I am.

DAVIS: Watch closely, Ashleigh. One, two and three, and just like that I have nothing. Open your hand, show your viewers how many you have.

BANFIELD: Oh, come on.

DAVIS: Go ahead.

BANFIELD: OK, that`s nuts. I saw the coin disappear.

DAVIS: Let`s count them out for everyone at home. We one, we have two, we have three, and we have four right there.

BANFIELD: So, I was staring at him. Did this come off on television as crazy as it did right here? Like -- Rachel can`t figure that (INAUDIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That is wild.

BANFIELD: I want that trade secret. I want that trade secret.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You can`t give that away?

DAVIS: No, that one goes to my grave.

BANFIELD: Wow, and your magician friends, some of them know it? And you`re also --

(CROSSTALK)

DAVIS: Yes, absolutely, absolutely. Yes, we`re a tight knit community. We discuss these things all the time.

BANFIELD: The black wall.

DAVIS: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Most of them violate it.

BANFIELD: OK. So, stay -- I want you to stay with us and everything.

DAVIS: Yes, absolutely.

BANFIELD: Because if -- when he goes on the stand, I really want to hear how he`s going to try to get around this or if he`s just going to have to

just lay down the black wall and throw that out there. But it`s -- your business is awesome.

DAVIS: I appreciate that.

BANFIELD: Thank you, Patrick. Thank you, Rachel (INAUDIBLE) you have to stick around as well.

Tonight, there is an international manhunt that is under way for a missing marine. And before you`re worried about him, he`s suspected of killing his

girlfriend. And now, her mom is part of the search, and she just happens to be a former detective, which is not good news for him. You won`t

believe where they think he is.

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[19:36:14] BANFIELD: You always hope that a fugitive is suffering if a fugitive is running from the police, right? But one San Diego murder

suspect has seemingly been living it up, partying in clubs and strip joints all around the world. In fact, dancing, doing drugs just steps away from

some of the most beautiful beaches that the world has to offer. Meet R.J. McLeod, doesn`t seem to care that he is accused of strangling that

beautiful woman on the right-hand side of your screen. Killing her, gorgeous single mother that he had only been dating just a few weeks.

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SUMMER STEPHAN, SAN DIEGO COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY: A 911 call (INAUDIBLE) apartment in Allied Gardens, San Diego, where Krystal`s body was found.

There were clear signs of a struggle, and Krystal had numerous injuries. There was blunt force trauma, including to her face and torso. McLeod has

brutally strangled Krystal to death, choking the very life out of her. There were multiple fractures to her neck area.

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BANFIELD: Krystal Mitchell left behind a 7-year-old daughter and an 8- year-old son. But she`s also survived by her mother, and her mother just happens to be a former police detective who is determined to hunt down the

man she says killed her daughter, and even allegedly drove off in her daughter`s car to go and party his worries away.

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JOSEPHINE WENTZEL, VICTIM`S MOTHER: She was just full of life, joy, and she just had a sweet heart, and she loved people. She loved San Diego.

She came here quite frequently, and the last thing she said to me was, mom, I`m going to move to San Diego. Catching him would not bring my daughter

back, but catching him would mean that somebody else`s daughter does not have to die.

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BANFIELD: And catching him could happen in a whole other country because so far he has been spotted in Mexico and in Belize, and in Guatemala. But

authorities in the United States are still working hard to bring him here. Police in San Diego just raising the reward on his back to $11,000.

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STEPHAN: We`re not going to let this defendant run from justice and get away with murder. We`re asking for anyone with information to come forward

so McLeod can be captured, returned to San Diego, and held accountable for this brutal crime.

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BANFIELD: Joining me now is Steve Jurman, he`s commander for the San Diego Fugitive Taskforce. Also with me is Josephine Funes-Wentzel. She`s the

mother of Krystal Mitchell. Still with me is Attorney Vinoo Varghese. If I can begin with you, Josephine, and first and foremost, you know, our

thoughts go out to you. I am so sorry for your loss. Your daughter was simply stunning, and the fact that you`re a detective must be small

consolation in that you can help as most victims` family members can`t. Is your help helping?

WENTZEL: Very much so. As you know, most witnesses will probably approach the victim`s mother before they approach the police. So, I get a lot of

tips through social media.

[19:39:52] BANFIELD: And in social media, you`re able to get around the world in a split second. Are you getting tips in from these countries,

Mexico and Guatemala, and the third one was Belize. I mean, these are beautiful tourist destinations. Are American tourists recognizing him from

coverage and from social media and sending in the tips?

WENTZEL: Well, I know the messages, they`re out there, the information. I have received quite a bit support from the expats in those countries. But

no one is able to help us at this point as far as the expats are concerned.

BANFIELD: And is there anything that you can tell us about the sightings? Whether it`s where the sightings were, what he was doing, what he looked

like when the sightings happened? What do you know?

WENTZEL: Well, I know when he was sighted in Belize originally, I know that, you know, he`s had facial hair, he has the same marine cut, the same

situation was in Livingston, Guatemala. He pretty much looked the same. But every once in a while he had the facial hair and then sometimes he

would not (INAUDIBLE).

BANFIELD: And then, do me a favor, Josephine, give me a bit of an idea. We broadcast, by the way, in Central America and in Mexico so people might

be watching right now in their hotel room after a day at the beach or in the pool, and may just have seen him today. So, I think, it`s critical

that we`re very specific about what this guy does. Because it`s rumored that he spends a lot of time in, you know, strip clubs and nightclubs, and

that he`s very, very friendly and has a son himself. So, he can come across as charming. Fill that in for me.

WENTZEL: Well, you know, from what I`ve studied about him, he has a certain M.O. He`s attracted to beautiful women with long, dark hair.

Unbeknownst to my daughter, she was his next victim, and he was actually stalking her. She didn`t realize that was happening. But anyway, he is

extremely charming. He comes across as friendly, a marine, want to help, kind, let me save you kind of a person. And then, he snaps and changes and

he`ll just strike out at women.

BANFIELD: He`s also got a history of violence against women, Josephine. As we have found out, he had a former wife, and there`s a pending felony

case against him for having been accused of strangling this former wife, and luckily, a roommate walked in and caught that and stopped it from

happening. And then, a prior conviction, a misdemeanor related to another wife. What was that incident about?

WENTZEL: So, back in 2009, I believe it was, I found a record where he violated a restraining order in Phoenix, Arizona and apparently assaulted

his wife and his child. And, you know, that should have been a felony actually, but it was a misdemeanor, and they basically had him watch some

(INAUDIBLE) and released him. So, there was no record. If they would have done due diligence, my daughter would have seen that he had a domestic

violence in his background. She never, ever, ever would have had anything to do with him. And by the way, I found out he was still married. He`s

not -- he`s not divorced from the woman he tried to kill right before my daughter.

BANFIELD: Wow.

WENTZEL: He was married -- he`s still married to her. And it wasn`t her roommate, it was friends that were there that came to her aid.

BANFIELD: So, let`s be really clear, the pictures you`re seeing on the screen, there he is, clean shaven, former marine, loads of tattoos,

extremely buff. There he is with a full beard, and police and authorities who are searching for him think he could look like either of these

pictures. But those tattoos don`t go away earlier. I`m going to ask all of you to stick around. We`re going to talk a little bit more about the

potential sightings in South America and tracking this man. What`s been done to track him? And if you`re watching in South America, 888-580-TIPS,

888-580-TIPS. We`re back right after this with the U.S. Marshalls.

[19:45:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: Still talking about that muscled out marine, accused of using all his strength and training to strangle his new girlfriend. And the

search tonight to make sure that he never harms another woman again. But where R.J. McLeod is, is a complete mystery right now because he`s been on

the run for nearly two years. That`s why the U.S. Marshalls are so important. Steve Jurman is with the Marshalls. He also just happens to be

the Supervisory Deputy, the commander of the San Diego Fugitive Task Force. So, Deputy German, help me out. How tough is this to find a guy once he`s

left our borders?

STEVE JURMAN, SUPERVISORY DEPUTY, U.S. MARSHALS SERVICE (via telephone): You know, it becomes a little more difficult. But certainly, nothing is

impossible. Marshall Service will never give up no matter where he runs to.

BANFIELD: And you had an anonymous tip, right, from a woman in one of these communities? Can you expound on it?

JURMAN: Yes, we`ve gotten numerous hits that we`ve been able to verify that essentially he left the San Diego area, traveled through Mexico, and

then, down in Central America. We have a confirmed sighting in Guatemala and Belize. All three of those tips through different resources have been

-- have been confirmed.

(CROSSTALK)

[19:50:15] JURMAN: And we have every reason to believe that he`s still in Central America.

BANFIELD: Yes, I`m curious about when they called the tip in, like, in particular, what are they saying about him? I saw him or this is what he`s

like and I got an uneasy feeling? Or what are they saying?

JURMAN: Oftentimes, it`s very different and we have to chase down every single lead. So, it could be something as simple as we saw him at a bus

stop or, oh, I know him, I`ve partied with him before at this club, at this date, or maybe he`s staying in this hotel. You just -- you just never know

what you`re going to get but you have to rundown absolutely every single one. That`s a very cumbersome task.

BANFIELD: And those tattoos, you can see right there, are really recognizable. He has two, like, almost complete sleeves. One, I think,

looked like a bit of a nuclear emblem on his left -- on his left bicep. And you can see the skull and cross on the right there. Let`s keep that

banner down for a minute when we`re looking at those tattoos because I think that`s really helpful. And deputy, I do want to let you know, our

broadcast -- we`re actually live in Central America and in Mexico, as well. So, anybody who`s watching, take a really good look at those tattoos.

Imagine that face with a beard and imagine the bearded face without the beard, and that`s what we`re looking for. I just want to ask you a little

bit about his M.O. because we`ve been hearing that he spends a lot of time in the nightclubs, a lot of times in the strip clubs. He likes the night

life and that he uses coke and weed, and that he might go by the name of Matt or Mateo. How do you know that?

JURMAN: Yes, he also went by the name R.J. when he was living here in the United States. The Matt and Mateo are a play on a name that we think he

was using with his half-brother or brother`s name and he seems to have -- maybe have adopted that.

BANFIELD: So, the question is, an $11,000 reward goes a long way in Central America. Are there posters of his face all over the place in these

particular countries, and then, the expat communities where you think he might be hanging out? You know, those coastal communities with the

beautiful beaches and bars and beautiful women near the shores?

JURMAN: Yes, absolutely. We have peppered all of Central America and lower Mexico, as well as San Diego and Phoenix where he has friends. But

absolutely, those tattoos will be his undoing because they are very distinguishable and that`s how we`re getting positive sighting.

BANFIELD: Deputy, I hope you can catch this guy. I mean, he`s got a history with women, hurting them to the point where he ultimately is

alleged to have killed Krystal Mitchell. Real quickly, Vinoo, if they catch him, those three countries, Mexico not so tough, what about Belize

and what about Guatemala in terms of extraditing him and getting him back to America to face murder?

VINOO VARGHESE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Those countries have extradition treaties, both of those countries are with the United States. But I know

from personal experience that sometimes it`s not always quick. I had a client who was in South America country not Central America in Brazil,

where I went on a Brazilian prison to meet with him. But it took three years to bring him back and he was an American.

BANFIELD: Yes, and Vinoo, this is California where this woman killed. There`s death penalty there. And I know for a fact that a lot of countries

will not extradite people back to these jurisdictions unless these jurisdictions promise no death penalty.

VARGHESE: That`s correct, and that`s actually a big issue. They will get a resolution or get something in writing from these countries or from the

states saying they will not extradite, they will not impose the death penalty.

BANFIELD: First, they got to find him and that`s no small order, that`s a tall order. So, once again, the tip line, real quickly. Especially if

you`re in -- you`re watching us from one of those countries in particular Belize, Guatemala, even if you`re in Mexico. We broadcast in all of those

countries. 888-580-TIPS. 888-580-8477 and if that doesn`t work from your calling area, just call your local police and do your very best to get that

information. And again, there are other people who could be in danger.

I`ve got "ONE MORE THING" for you tonight. A terrifying reminder of officers and the danger they have every day when they respond to a 911

call. Hard to believe that no one was killed in this one.

[19:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: "ONE MORE THING" for you tonight and it`s another reminder of the bravery of our police and first responders. I want to show you a scene

in Hurst, Texas where the police officers drove up about a call that an SUV had slammed into a house and this happened.

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BANFIELD: You saw right. It is absolutely incredible that no one was hurt or killed in that fireball like that. And when you see the view from

across the street, it is even more amazing.

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