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Kim, Moon Shake Hands At Demarcation Line; Leaders Meet Delegates Ahead Of Summit; North And South Korea Vow To End Korean War; Trump, Merkel Talk Iran, North Korea, Trade And More; Thousands March After Five Men Cleared Of Gang Rape Charge; Report: Leaked Documents Shows Britain's Deportation Targets. Aired 3-4p ET
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ISA SOARES, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: A very good evening, everyone. Live from CNN London, I'm Isa Soares sitting in for Hala Gorani.
Historic scenes as the North and Korean leaders meet at the Korean border and promised peace for the peninsula.
Also, ahead, Donald Trump and Angela Merkel just wrapped the news conference at the White House. We'll get you the very latest on that.
And mama mia, Abba announces new songs for the first time in three decades. We have a live interview with a member of the iconic band.
We begin tonight, though, with an extraordinary day on the Koreans Peninsula. It started with an historic handshake and ended with a
commitment to complete the denuclearization on the peninsula as well as a pledge to bring a formal end to the Korean War.
This was a meticulously planned event and we are going to take you through it step by step because like many of these huge events, the pictures really
we do speak for themselves.
Now, the day started with an historic moment, a meeting, handshake and an unscripted moment when Moon Jae-in was invited to take a step across the
demarcation line. Take a look.
SOARES: Those steps were very symbolic. Now next, the pomp and ceremony as the two leaders met with the rest of the North Korean, North and South
SOARES: As you can imagine, the day was highly choreographed. Next was the signing of the guestbook at the Peace House on the southern side of the
SOARES: And on those pages, the North Korean leader wrote, "A new history begins now, an age of peace at the starting point of history." Then it was
down to business, the two sides sitting down to discuss their many differences.
SOARES: And as Kim Jong-un drove away from the early session of the summit with South Korean President Moon Jae-in, his bodyguards was seen in rather
SOARES: Well, after a brief lunch and a breather, it was back to more choreographed symbolism as the two leaders plant a tree, which is from
1953, the year the Korean War armistice was signed.
SOARES: Well, one of the most striking images of the day was when the two leaders took a walk along a foot bridge speaking alone for 13 minutes.
SOARES: Well, after that 13 minutes or so (inaudible), it was inside the headline moment, that's when Kim and Moon signed the agreement that pledged
to end decades of conflict between their two nations.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MOON JAE-IN, SOUTH KOREAN PRESIDENT (through translator): There will not be any more war on the Korean Peninsula. A new era of peace has finally
opened. This we declare. We suffered divisions for a long time, sorrow and pain.
We believe we can overcome this and that is why we are standing here. Today, Chairman Kim and I have agreed that a complete denuclearization will
be achieved. That is our common goal.
KIM JONG-UN, NORTH KOREAN LEADER (through translator): We will be able to enjoy peace and prosperity on the Korean Peninsula without having to fear
about the war and for that reason, we have come up with practical measures and also, we will implement the already agreed agreements and that will
turn a new page, new history for us.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SOARES: It's a historic moment there for the Korean Peninsula. Well, a lot of the talk before the summit was about the carefully selected menu,
which included a cake symbolizing a unified Korea.
SOARES: And as you can see there, the banquet concluded with a toast between the delegates. Finally --
SOARES: Finally, it was time for some music. The leaders enjoyed a spectacular concert.
SOARES: And as you just saw there probably powerful images we've shown you and the sounds, this was indeed historic. But what does it mean?
Throughout this hour, we'll speak with analysts as well as Christiane Amanpour, and now Will Ripley in Seoul who will be telling us about what
these images mean and what it does mean for the future of the peninsula. Do stay right here with us.
Coming up, though, no back slaps like we saw with French President Emmanuel Macron, but a warm welcome at the White House today for German Chancellor
Angela Merkel. She and Donald Trump just addressed reporters. We'll tell you what they had to say.
Plus, protesters across Spain are marching for an 18-year-old girl and much, much more. We'll look at the verdict that pushed them into the
street. We'll have the details on both those stories for you. Just ahead.
SOARES: Now, Iran, Syria, North Korea trade and more, the leaders of the United States and Germany covered a lot of ground when they met for talks
at the White House. Donald Trump and Angela Merkel spoke to reporters a short time ago, in fact, in the last half hour or so.
The U.S. president has strong words on Iran, saying, no matter what happens with the nuclear deal, quote, "Iran will be doing nuclear weapons." He
also talked about his role in trying to bring peace to the Korean peninsula.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: I think I have a responsibility. I think other presidents should have done it. I think the
responsibility has fallen on the shoulders of the president of the United States, and I think we have -- I think I have a responsibility to see if I
can do it.
And if I cannot do it, it will be a very tough time for a lot of countries and a lot of people. It certainly something that I hope I can do for the
world. This is beyond the United States. This is a world problem and is something that I hope I am able to do for the world.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SOARES: Well, we are alive on the story in Washington as well as Berlin tonight. Let's bring in our White House reporter, Kaitlan Collins, and our
CNN senior international correspondent, Atika Shubert.
And Kaitlan, I'm going to start with you, if we may, you know, those two leaders, as many of us know seemed to have much in common. Merkel is not a
Macron in President Trump's eye. So, from what you saw, and you heard today, did they see eye to eye on any of the key topics?
KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Well, it's very interesting to watch them, of course, just after days ago seeing the French president here
in such a buddy-buddy relationship, lots of shoulder slapping and laughing and smiles between the two of them.
You didn't see any of that today between President Trump and the German chancellor, of course, but they did cover a lot of ground. The substance
in these press conferences was largely the same as what happened with the French president just a few days ago.
North Korea, Iran and tariffs were at the top of the list to talk about between the two leaders and on North Korea there, as you just showed, the
president really expressing the gravity of the situation there.
Saying he doesn't think it is just a thing here in the United States, but it's something he needs to do for the world. And he did acknowledge, of
course, we've seen this very stunning new developments in that relationship lately.
But he did acknowledge that just a few months ago, they were at a point in their relationship between President Trump and the North Korean dictator,
Kim Jong-un, where there were name-calling.
The president, of course, commenting on its height and stature on Twitter. He did acknowledge the thing radically changed since then. He said that
are -- have narrowed it down to two potential sides for that upcoming summit that they are planning on between President Trump and Kim Jong-un
coming face to face.
Then on a run he was asked if he is going to military force, he wouldn't rule it out. He wouldn't say if he was, but he did say that they would not
be using nuclear weapons and that was not a concern of his.
Of course, we did cover a lot of ground there. When Merkel was asked about the tariffs that those still -- Germany is going to get a permanent
exemption for those steel and aluminum tariffs, she said that that was up to President Trump.
SOARES: Atika, the substance may have been the same what we saw in Macron, but on Iran, did Chancellor Merkel budge at all? I mean, she said this
agreement anything but perfect, perfect, or is this do you think a strategy from Macron and Merkel? Is this the one-two punch they say?
ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely, I think this is a strategy, there is no doubt about it, because before Macron went
to D.C., he actually came here to Berlin and met with Merkel. So, it's clear this is a sort of a tag-team effort by both European leaders to get
President Trump on-site especially on Iran.
And I thought what was really interesting from the press conference is that, you know, not only did Merkel say, look, it is not a perfect
agreement. It is one part of a mosaic to build upon suggesting, for example, that yes, there can be addendum to this agreement.
[15:20:06] Though the original agreement has to be kept because it keeps Iran in check, that's Germany's position. And what was interesting was
that President Trump did not use some of the language that he's used before, saying he wants to look at the possibility of scrapping a bad deal.
What he said is that Iran will not come close to getting nuclear weapons, which the European view is the deal is doing very well.
SOARES: I mean, Kaitlan, the press conference that I was watching about half an hour or so ago, the energy was so different from what we saw with
Macron. Their friendship is really not the strongest. How does President Trump see their alliance (inaudible) challenges?
COLLINS: I mean, this contrast could not be starker here. When Merkel arrived today, of course, there was no flags on the White House driveway
for her. She did pull up to the west wing wherein the president did shake hands. There was a cheek kiss when walking into the west wing, going to
the oval office for their meetings before that working lunch.
But very different than the state visit that Macron got just a few days ago and we have really seen these two relationships. They could not be more
different. This is certainly the more sterner counterpart for the president to deal with from Europe with Merkel here today.
Of course, there is not that chummy relationship between the two of them and as you know, at one point, they went five months without speaking
directly. Last time that she visited, they didn't shake hands in front of the cameras, which, of course, is very unusual.
So, we have seen quite a different relationship in the two of them and all of this comes down to whether or not they can succeed, Macron and Merkel,
with a bad cop, good cop here with the Iran deal.
Of course, they both have the same shared goal of keeping the United States, convincing President Trump to keep the United States in that deal
whether or not they're successful seems very questionable with the new secretary of state, Mike Pompeo saying today that it is highly unlikely
that the United States stays in that Iran deal.
So, certainly that was their objective here. Whether or not they came close to achieving that or achieving the other front they wanted remains to
be seen. Of course, this is a president who can change his mind on the minute's notice.
SOARES: Very much. We have seen the pressure pile on this week, haven't we, when it comes to the Iran deal. Atika, I want to show our viewers a
copy of the German magazine (inaudible), which features this cover this week.
It shows a blazing image of Trump's face with Macron holding fire extinguisher. Merkel then basically ringing her hands in the corner, and
it basically asking Germans, who will save the west. Atika, do you think she tried a warmer tactic with President Trump? Because, correct me if I'm
wrong, she scolded him previously, didn't she?
SHUBERT: Yes. There was a lot of controversy about that -- in that (inaudible) cover. By the way, (inaudible) had these typically on point
covers pretty much in a week (inaudible) here. You know, the inside said that Merkel had assumed this role of the governess or head mistress because
when she congratulated him after his election victory, she also appeared to give him a lecture about human rights and democratic principles.
So that's been perceived as a scolding. We have to remember, Merkel is a pragmatic but also a very principled politician, and she was basically
setting the line. This is how I operate. This is how I work. I'm not going to be chummy, but you can have a working relationship with me.
I think that she's worked very hard to develop that working relationship, for example, going to Ivanka Trump to develop a better relationship on
improving American/German businesses, for example.
So, it is moving forward slowly between them. It's not the same as it is with Macron, but you know, I think she has developed her own relationship
with President Trump, and clearly, he does he respect her.
You know, again, he congratulated her for winning yet another election, four terms. She's been in charge of this country for more than a decade,
12 years and that is not something to sniff at.
SOARES: Yes, and probably at home in Germany, they don't want her to be chummy, not quite the kumbaya moments we saw Macron, isn't it? Atika
Shubert there for us in Berlin. Thank you very much to Kaitlan Collins for us in Washington.
Now I want to bring you story out of Spain. What happened to a teenage girl two years ago in a (inaudible) ended up in a courtroom. Now it's
pushing thousands and I mean, thousands of people out into the street. Absolutely shocking story. Take a listen.
SOARES (voice-over): Madrid, (inaudible), Pamplona, thousands of people took to the streets across Spain in protest after five men were cleared of
a gang rape of a teenage girl. An attack that took place during the Running of the Bulls Festival in Pamplona two years ago.
Instead of rape, a three-judge panel convicted them of a lesser crime of sexual abuse, which does not include violence and gave them a nine-year
[15:25:09] Prosecutors were seeking 22 years for each defendant.
JOSE FRANCISO COBO, NAVARRA, SPAIN HIGH COURT JUDGE (through translator): Likewise, we impose five years of freedom on probation, which will take
place after the imprisonment punishment.
SOARES: Outside the courthouse, demonstrators chanted, that's not abuse, that's rape. Around the country, anger grew (inaudible).
GERMAN RODRIGUEZ, PROTESTOR (through translator): It causes me indignation and rage. As I read more from the sentence, because I'm a lawyer, the more
rage I feel. First of all, I think the law should be changed in order to adapt international law. Therefore, no is no. There's no need of violence
so that it has to be considered as rape.
SOARES: Pedro Sanchez, leader of Spain's Socialist Party tweeted, "She said no. We believed you then and we still believe you. If what the
wolfpack did wasn't group violence against a defenseless woman, then what do we understand by rape?"
The official spokesman for Spain's government said he would review whether the country's laws involving sex crimes needed to be updated. A case
became known as (inaudible) or the wolfpack after the name of a WhatsApp group, which the defendants used to chat about the attack.
The men allegedly recorded mobile phone video of the encounter, laughing about the incident with their friends on WhatsApp. Since the beginning of
the trial, the case sparked widespread outrage around Spain.
This is a number of reports of sex attacks at the annual festival have been on the rise. Both the prosecution and defense say they will appeal the
men. The men have denied any wrongdoing.
SOARES: We will keep on top of the story out of Spain as soon as there's more. We shall break it to you.
Here in U.K., the home secretary is facing calls to resign. The scandal deepens over her office treated immigrants from the so-called "wind rush"
generation, a day after Amber Rudd said her office never deported people to meet a quota.
"The Guardian" newspaper reported in a leaked memo suggesting otherwise. Our Erin McLaughlin reports on how the scandal over numbers as well as pay
for work stripped one woman of her humanity.
BARBARA ISAACS: We're not wanted here. That's the way they make me feel. I'm not wanted. I'm not valued. I'm not nobody. I have no identity. As
far as they are concerned, I'm an alien.
ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Barbara Isaacs says in 2008, her life forever changed. A mother of six, struggling with mental
health issues and living on benefits, she applied to the British government to renew her welfare, something she'd received for decades, only to
suddenly be told, there was no record she existed.
ISAACS: How can you throw away a whole generation of people that you invited to come here?
MCLAUGHLIN: Barbara is part of what's known as the "windrush generation," a wave of migrants from the Caribbean encouraged to come rebulb the U.K.
after World War II. They were told they could stay for the rest of their lives. Many lived in the U.K. without paperwork.
Decades later, the government would begin to demand documentation to prove their right to stay. Documentation many say they don't have. To make
matters worse, the British government acknowledges it destroyed thousands of landing cards. As a result, some are threatened with deportation and
deprived of badly needed benefits.
AMBER RUDD, BRITISH HOME SECRETARY: I bitterly, deeply, regret that I didn't see it as more than individual cases that had gone wrong that needed
addressing. I didn't see it as a systemic issue until very recently.
MCLAUGHLIN: Barbara is one of the lucky ones. She kept her old passport which showed she arrived when she was 6. Even so she had to prove she had
the right to remain in the United Kingdom.
ISAACS: It was 42 years of information. They didn't seem to save their paperwork for 42 years.
MCLAUGHLIN: It took her three years to come up with the money and the paperwork necessary to apply. In the meantime, she says she lost all
ISAACS: How you can live somewhere all of your life and 50 years later, you are sleeping on the streets, begging people for certain things.
MCLAUGHLIN (on camera): You were homeless?
ISAACS: Yes, totally. I was homeless destitute. It's so degrading.
MCLAUGHLIN (voice-over): Isaacs was granted residency in 2011, the same year she applied. Something the Home office points to in a statement
responding to CNN's request for comment. Adding that it's looking into her case, quote, "as a matter of urgency."
Even though she once again receives government support, for Issacs and so many others from the "windrush generation," the damage is deep and
[15:29:58] I cried me river, and I've almost drowned in it. A part of me has died, completely dead.
MCLAUGHLIN: Erin McLaughlin, CNN, London.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SOARES: And still to come tonight, we return to our top story, the highly choreographed moments and the moments the choreography dropped. The
leaders of North and South Korea met Friday. We'll have all the details feed for you.
And we're not showing you pictures of the legendary pop band, Abba, just to be nostalgic. The group is actually doing something fans having, hoping
for the many, many years. We'll explain, next.
SOARES: It is 8:32 here in London. You are watching HALA GORANI TONIGHT. Let's return now to today's top story. A highly choreograph day of
diplomacy on the Korean Peninsula. The leaders of the North and South Korea met on Friday, breaking ground at an unprecedented summit. They
pledge (INAUDIBLE) sparking hopes that six and a half decades on from a long finish war. An official peace declaration good lie ahead.
Now, the images of both leaders stepping into their counterparts country were utterly unimaginable just months ago, when the threat of nuclear war
loomed about the peninsula. But there is also a lot happening outside the frame of these very pictures you looking at. They were high stakes beyond,
the handshakes, as well as smiles, and democratically elect president met dictator.
Let's break this down with CNN's Will Ripley, here. As reported from North Korea more than a dozen times. Well, right now he is standing by on the
other side of the border. He joins us from Seoul, South Korea. Will, good to see you. Let's make sense of this for us because it is a historic
moment. Just months ago, today's meeting would have been considered inconceivable. Talk us through what -- how you interpret the images we
saw, and then tell us what has been achieved in terms of concrete measures?
WILL RIPLEY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, the images, certainly, were extraordinary, from the very first handshake when Kim Jong-un,
convince President Moon Jae-in of South Korea to briefly step over under the Northside unto his turf. It was really quite a shrewd move, optics-
Clearly, Kim Jong-un knows how to play to the cameras. When we saw that play out throughout the day, the planting of the tree, the stroll together.
I mean, this was like a first date between two leaders that seemed to go so well, you could almost forget that 12 months ago, North Korea was
threatening to turn Seoul into a sea of fire. The city where I am right now where President Moon is now back and preparing to brief President
Trump, about how the summit went.
Look, they came out with a very -- a stunning, but vague statement. A joint statement where they said they said, they're going to pledge to end
the Korean War and sign a peace treaty. And they're also, committing to the complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, they say. But they
didn't give us any specifics about what denuclearization actually means. And that was probably the most important thing we were hoping to come out
of the summit, it just didn't happen.
And so, the devil is always in the details. And really now, the ball is in President Trump's court. Because if North Korea's demands for what they
consider denuclearization are too high, is the U.S. president got to be the one that kind of pours cold water on this. This peace buzz that you have
coming out of the summit which was -- you know, full of just beautiful moments but perhaps lacking in substance.
[15:35:28] SOARES: Absolutely, and in many ways, it was -- it did look like a first date. You know, we saw them holding hands, planting a tree,
sharing a meal, having a drink together. From those you have spoken to in the -- in the peninsula, will this lead -- I mean, are they skeptical,
Will, as to whether this will act to lead to any meaningful rollback of North Korea's nuclear capability? I mean, what's the analysis from where
RIPLEY: It almost is. There's -- there is a yearning in the hearts of many people here for this to work, but there is a fear that like a bad
relationship that set a lot of promise in the past that things might fall apart, yet again. But there were tears in people's eyes when they were
watching this morning when Kim Jong-un stepped onto the south side of the Demilitarized Zone.
I mean, it was -- we're up on a rooftop. People were glued to their phones, watching the live stream, completely silent. I really never
experienced anything like it. It was -- it was really extraordinary. This is so meaningful for people here, they want this to work but they are
fearful that it may not.
SOARES: And Will, very -- finally, I know you've covered -- you been to North Korea several times for us, you know it better than most of us. Give
us a sense of how you saw those moments. You know, the car being driven with the personnel security by his side, the moment of the handshake. What
does it mean to you of having covered the other side?
RIPLEY: It was -- it was surreal. It was a side of Kim Jong-un that I've never seen, and I've seen him in person in Pyongyang. Normally, when he
arrives in event, you know, the band play the military -- band plays this rousing tune. Everybody jumps up and starts cheering, and he has a very --
kind of stoic, strong demeanor. And yet, you saw such a disarming side of him today.
Yes, you saw his elite security detail, which I've seen them in action in Pyongyang. I mean, it's -- they really are quite an imposing sight, and
that's probably why they did that formation, jogging along with Kim Jong- un's stretch limousine.
But then you have Kim Jong-un making a joke about the roads in North Korea, saying they're uncomfortable to ride on. And he knows because he just rode
on down in the South. That's something you would never hear inside North Korea.
And the fact that he stood at the podium, and he gave a press conference in front of the international media, that was really what was so stunning to
me. And it shows that he is serious about putting on this new face for the world. You know, a lot of people are wondering, though, which image of Kim
Jong-un is the real image.
SOARES: Absolutely. Will Ripley, there for us in Seoul, giving us his insight having covered North Korea for so long for us. Will, good to see
you. Thanks very much.
Well, according to U.S. President Donald Trump, Americans should be feeling very proud right now. He took to Twitter off the back of that historic
meeting tweeting, "Korean War to end. The United States and all of its great people should be very proud of what is now taking place in Korea."
Let's get over to CNN's Jeremy Diamond, he is in Washington for us. Jeremy, how has the president then, interpreted today's momentous events?
JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Well, it seems the president is interpreting this with great optimism. You know, then you saw the
president's comments this morning on Twitter, suggesting that there could be an end to the Korean War, as the two -- South and North Korean leaders
pledge to do in that very historic summit.
But there is also a little bit of caution that we heard from the president during this joint press conference earlier. He did talk about how
momentous this would be to actually achieve peace between the two Koreas to denuclearize the Korean Peninsula and bring an end to these decades-old
conflict, and these tensions that have existed.
But he did also make clear as he has in recent remarks that it is possible, the summit between himself and the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, does
not happen. It is also possible that this summit would not be fruitful. He has been cautious to kind of underscore that in many of his remarks on
this topics so far. But he does seem like overall, despite a little bit of the caution that he has injected into this, particularly, after we saw
these really incredible images out of the Korean DMZ, that the president is still very, very optimistic about this. And he does seem to think that
this could be a historic opportunity to finally bring an end to this conflict.
And it does seem like the preparations are being narrowed down, that we had heard of five possible locations from the president just a couple of days
ago. Today, he said that he had been narrowed down to two or three possible locations for his summit with Kim Jong-un. So, thus, it clear
like his preparations are ongoing and that they're actually moving towards a potential meeting.
SOARES: Very briefly, Jeremy, does he want to be a closer in the deal? How much -- I mean, how much is he taking credit for what's happening right
[15:39:57] DIAMOND: He and his aides have repeatedly cited the maximum pressure campaign that his administration has ruled out since he came into
office as a reasons for why he has gotten so far. I mean, he is even credit for the success of the Olympics in South Korea for example. As
well, also crediting their maximum pressure campaign.
So it is clear that the president is eager to take a victory lap if he is able to get anywhere on this. And even if -- you know, the Korean War can
be officially ended, I think we will see the president take credit. But he is also cautious to know that -- you know, in the past, the North Koreans
have played the previous administrations like a fiddle, is what the term that he used.
So, he is aware of some of the missteps that have been made in the past, and hopefully, he will try to avoid those.
SOARES: Jeremy Diamond, there for us. Thanks very much, Jeremy. Have a good weekend.
DIAMOND: Thank you, too.
SOARES: Now, let's stay on top of this, our very own, Christiane Amanpour has been following this historic event from Seoul. How she interpreted
today's powerful rhetoric?
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: You're absolutely right. It's been very powerful, it's been very surprising, it's
been a180 degree difference in terms of the talk, the public goodwill that's been shown compared to so much violent rhetoric and so much threat
of an accidental or even a deliberate conflict that was only on the horizon, not, but a few months ago. So, this is really a sea change on
Now, added to that, everyone, all the big players have basically given their blessing and praise to what's happen today. Certainly, President
Trump in United States, are also China, Japan. Many, many countries have looked on and have praised both President Moon of South Korea and Chairman
Kim of the North for taking this step.
And afterwards, the joint declaration was quite specific, and then, not specific enough if you like. They have lots of talk about improving their
relationship between the two Koreas. And they talked about wanting to actually have a peace treaty and end to war forever on the Korean
Peninsula, but there's no date for that.
And then, of course, the whole big issue of denuclearization. Now, President Moon said both sides accept the joint declaration, which calls
for a comprehensive denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. But I've asked other advisers and members of the South Korean delegation, and they
admit that even though that is the intent, that is the commitment, the nitty-gritty of how that actually comes bear will probably be have to be
dealt with in the next summit, between Preside Trump and president -- and Chairman Kim Jong-un, and as we go forward.
SOARES: Yes, and yes, at the same time, Christiane, you know, I was listening to Kim Jong-un in his speech, earlier. And he made a really
interesting comment when he said, you know, "Why has it taken so long to get here?" Why has it?
AMANPOUR: Well, I think that was an interesting comment because he sort of almost said it introspectively. Who say thinking to himself as he said,
"As I walk to cross this line," and it was emotional. And it was -- it was brave of President Moon to have called everybody here this is courageous of
amongst all of us. He said, why did it take 11 years to get to this point? And is a very good question, and there are plenty of reasons why it took
that long. That every other summit has failed for very many different reasons. Many sides fell short, many sides, of course, always blamed North
Korea for cheating I the like. But there are many, many reasons why it has fallen short.
And you know, Kim Jong-un, himself, spent his first several years since taking over of ensuring the regime's survival and his own grip on power by
developing the scariest -- you know, powerful tactic of all, and is becoming a nuclear state. And that is what he has told his people that we
are a nuclear state, we can negotiate with that kind of knowledge in our pocket.
And as we've all known, because will be in reporting it, and that's what kind of led to this very, very tense moment. He has conducted -- I've
know, several six nuclear tests, an intercontinental ballistic missile test. And this has brought a huge tension to this region, which also --
you know, accounts for why tension needs to be let out of this terrible -- bubble.
And then, of course, you have President Moon, who went against a lot of conventional wisdom and stuck with the desire to take the diplomatic and
the peaceful route. And he seized upon an olive branch that Kim Jong-un, put out in his New Year's speech. And he used the Winter Olympics here to
create the -- again, peace Olympics as his officials had told me at the time. And that's paid off.
SOARES: Christiane, you're in Seoul. Give us a sense of the mood. I mean, are they seeing this summit with the same optimism or is there some
skepticism or some cynicism there?
[15:44:58] AMANPOUR: I think, a little bit of all -- a little bit of all those three, depending on who you talked to, particularly, the younger
generation. They don't have that same kind of linked to the North that their parents and grandparents have. They don't know necessarily relatives
who are still in North Korea. Their parents do, their grandparents do, and for them, better relations is an absolute must.
But remember, this country is gangbusters. I mean, this is in a vibrant Democracy, a vibrant economy. It has everything that the North doesn't
have. You just put a satellite up over this peninsula, you will see -- and we've gone to it many, many times. At night, this is ablaze in light,
while the North is dark. It is dark because there just isn't enough electricity to power -- you know, buildings. There is not enough buildings
or it just isn't enough infrastructure over there and that is something that Kim Jong-un, wants.
So, depending on who you talk to, their different -- you know, attitudes, hopes beliefs, skepticism about all of this. But one thing everybody want
is to live free of this terrible threat of nuclear conflict, because all the rhetoric that was flying back and forth between North Korea, and United
States, and points in between, guess who is the first in the firing line, and the closest? The people of Seoul and South Korea.
SOARES: Our Chief International Correspondent Christiane Amanpour, there. And we've just heard from U.S. Secretary of Defense James Mattis, about
exactly what happened today in the Korean Peninsula. And this is what he said, "I don't have a crystal ball, we are optimistic right now that
there's opportunity here that we've never enjoyed since 1950," he said. "So we're going to have to see what they produce and that's (INAUDIBLE)
diplomats working, and I'm not going to calculate into that."
We'll keep on top of the story, of course. Still to come right here tonight, Swedish pop giant, Abba is back in the spotlight with something
special for fans. We'll get the details right from the source. And I mean, the source, next.
SOARES: Now, almost everyone, if not everyone has a favorite Abba song. While you think of yours, take a listen to mine.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ABBA, SWEDISH POP GROUP: The winner takes it all, the loser has to fall, it's simple and it's plain, why should I complain?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SOARES: And we've been singing that all afternoon. Well, The Winner Takes It All is only one of the legendary Swedish pop band's many, many hits.
And while fans have never grown tired of listening to them, the group has written and record a new music together for the first time since they broke
up in 1982.
Now, the two songs (INAUDIBLE) featuring digital versions of the four members of Abba. One of the songs be featured in a T.V. special set for
December. So how -- what does it actually mean? Does it mean the group will play live again? We'll get to ask Abba's Bjorn Ulvaeus, himself. He
joins us now from Stockholm, Sweden, for an exclusive interview. Thank you so much for being with us. Bjorn, I really appreciate it.
Like many of your fans, including me, we have been extremely excited about this announcement. Tell me why now after 35 years, or so?
[15:50:11] BJORN ULVAEUS, MEMBER, ABBA BAND: Well, it's mainly because of this project which is so exciting to make digital humans of ourselves. And
it's started some time ago, we were approached by a music entrepreneur, Simon Fuller. And he was cutting-edge technology, and no one ever done it
before, so we thought, yes, let's give it a try.
And after a while, we thought, maybe we should let this avatars be driven not only by old songs but maybe appeal in new songs. So, Benny and I got
inspired and we wrote two new songs, and ladies came into the studio and we actually recorded that.
SOARES: Give us a sense, Bjorn, of what it was like recording those songs together again. What did it feel like to get together again, and start
ULVAEUS: Well, that was the amazing thing. I mean, we haven't been together in a recording studio since as you said, 1982. And it just took a
moments, and we were kind of looking at each other, because -- and then, straight back like no time had passed at all. It was amazing.
And I guess it's because we such great friends, but also there are such strong bonds between us because of all these wonderful, you know, mind-
boggling experiences we've gone through together.
ULVAEUS: And I don't just mean of the ten years when we were active. But all those years afterwards, when we actually thought we'd be forgotten.
And when we kind of we're not, you know.
SOARES: I can tell you, definitely haven't been forgotten. We been speaking you onto the public about the exciting news. Take a listen to
what some people had to say to us.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can't just can't wait just to see what they look like, and how they sound, and just to see them again, really.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I hope it's more of the Dancing Queen type of --you know, vibe, the disco thing, which is really big now. Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think, what generations now that like Abba, so it's not just old people like us, is it? So -- you know.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It is so -- (INAUDIBLE) when you go to disco, as you got to parties, Abba always come on.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. Music that never dies.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, it's going to be brilliant.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Long time coming. I know everyone is wanting to get together. It might not be the big reunion, but -- you know, it's a start.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We want them to tour.
SOARES: Bjorn, what kind of Abba will this be? Is it disco Abba, pop Abba, dancing queen Abba, post-divorce Abba?
ULVAEUS: Well, it will be -- you know, when it comes to the avatars, they will do old stuff, as well as these new songs. So it will be a little of
everything, I guess.
SOARES: In terms of the songs, what kind of sound will it have?
ULVAEUS: Well, I can tell you that the two ladies are in very good voice. Slightly, slightly lower, perhaps, but they sound much Abba.
SOARES: So I think we've got that. What's -- give us a sense of the titles. I think we know the titles or at least of one of them, correct?
ULVAEUS: Yes, it's called I Still Have Faith in You, and another one is Don't Shut Me Down.
SOARES: Can you hum anything for us or sing it, give us a taster?
ULVAEUS: You'll have to wait until, I think, December or whatever it is.
SOARES: Oh, we really hoping to get a little but humming if not as better, but of singing. As you heard that your -- many of the fans really want to
see you on tour. I know you've decided instead towards the digital form as hologram. Why go that route? Why not come back, and tour live? Surely
you miss it.
ULVAEUS: Actually not, not the yet it is. I don't -- and it's a hard life out there on tour. We never toured very much at all, actually. During our
10 years, we maybe toured seven months, that's all. We wrote songs and recorded, that's what we did.
SOARES: What do you miss then, about it?
ULVAEUS: Well, it was a great period of my life. And with filled with energy, and joy. But at the end of it, we felt -- you know, we were ready
to go take a new steps and other routes. And we did, but now we felt the urge again, and so, here we are.
SOARES: So, are you defiling saying no to a -- to a live tour? Is that something that you definitely don't think is going to happen beyond?
[15:55:01] ULVAEUS: I've been saying no to that for 35 years, and I still am.
SOARES: Adding fans will be disappointed, give me the two songs that you mentioned, what kind of -- I mean, are they -- how -- are they optimistic,
like positive, or they slightly -- I mean, many people want the happy songs, or they slightly darker?
ULVAEUS: Well, all Abba songs are slightly dark. Slightly in buying a key very often, and still in a way joyous. And I think this two are as well.
SOARES: Well, we can't wait to hear it. We can't wait to see the Avatar. We wish you the best of luck.
ULVAEUS: Thank you --
SOARES: Please do come back, and if you're not going to sing it, at least hum it for us back in December. We'd love to hear from you. We're on
great to see you in very exciting news today.
ULVAEUS: Good night, thank you.
SOARES: Good night, thank you very much. More to come including Meghan Markle and Prince Harry, may have to print another wedding invitation,
while the name of the newest royal is such a surprise, next.
SOARES: Louis XIV, Louis XV, Louis -- you get the point. The name has been a tradition for French royal. So, it came as a surprise to British
royal watchers to learn the name of the newest royal.
That's Louis Arthur Charles. His first name is his father's fourth name, stay with me, and they both share it with a distant relative. Louis
Mountbatten, serve as a Viceroy in India. He was killed in a blast set by the Irish Republican Army. And he was reportedly, very close to his
nephew, Prince Charles, William's father and Louie's grandfather. Congratulation to him.
And that's it for me. Thanks very much for watching. Do stay right here. "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS" is coming up next. Have a wonderful weekend. Bye,