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Kim and Moon Pledge to End Korean War; Lawyer at Trump Tower Meeting an Informant; Trump and Merkel Discuss Iran; Judge Puts Temp Hold on Stormy Daniels' Lawsuit; Genealogy Site Used to Crack Rape and Murder Cases; Protests in Spain after Men Cleared of Rape; Migrant Caravan at Mexico-U.S. Border; Abba to Release New Songs; William and Kate Name New Royal Baby. Aired 4-5a ET

Aired April 28, 2018 - 04:00   ET

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NATALIE ALLEN, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): After the summit, Kim Jong-un and Moon Jae-in vow to end the Korean War but they can't do it alone.

So what happens next?

GEORGE HOWELL, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): The U.S. President and German chancellor meet in Washington. They are talking trade and Iran.

Plus this --

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ALLEN (voice-over): Oh, yes. (INAUDIBLE) group Abba isn't done yet. Look out, "Dancing Queen," you have got company. The band releases a new song.

Welcome to our viewers in the United States and around the world. That story is coming up. We're live in Atlanta. I'm Natalie Allen.

HOWELL: We've got a writer back there who is really excited about it.

I'm George Howell from CNN World Headquarters in Atlanta. NEWSROOM starts right now.

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ALLEN: And we begin with the breakthrough between South and North Korea. North Korean state media are hailing the summit between North and South as historic. North Korean leader Kim Jong-un appeared affable and relaxed as he crossed into the South for a day-long summit with President Moon Jae-in.

HOWELL: At the conclusion, Mr. Kim and Mr. Moon vowed to formally end the Korean War and to denuclearize the peninsula.

U.S. president Donald Trump also tweeted his approval, he wrote this, "Korean War to end. The United States and all of its great people should be very proud of what is now taking place in Korea."

He also had this to say.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I think I have a responsibility. I think other presidents should have done it. I think the responsibility has fallen on the shoulders of the President of the United States. And I think we have -- I think I have a responsibility to see if I can do it.

And if I can't do it, it will be a very tough time is for a lot of countries and a lot of people. It is certainly something that I hope that I can do for the world. This is beyond the United States. This is a world problem. And it is something that I hope that I'm able to do for the world.

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HOWELL: The U.S. President taking the credit but there is still room to go here. Let's bring in CNN's Paula Hancocks, who covered the summit, live in Seoul, South Korea.

Thank you for your time today, Paula. Look, the day after this historic meeting between the leaders of North and South Korea, what is the overall sense there in Seoul for people who watched on about what they witnessed and where things go from here?

PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: George, I think there is a certain amount of optimism, basically because the optics were just so powerful. But there is also optimism because many people in South Korea want to believe that this could mark a change, especially when you consider where we were just a matter of six months ago.

The tensions were incredibly high on the Korean Peninsula last year. The intense nuclear missile testing was unprecedented in North Korean history. So I think the fact that we are seeing these kind of images, that the leaders of North and South Korea embracing and smiling, stepping over on the MDL, the military demarcation line, into the South and into the North with the South Korean president and then back into the South, these kinds of images are extremely powerful.

And certainly I think for many South Koreans, they will be relieved that we're talking about potential peace and not missiles.

Having said that, there is still a huge amount of skepticism. There's a healthy dose of cynicism because South Koreans have been here before. But the optics are good and really you shouldn't take away from the fact that this was an extremely well-planned show.

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HANCOCKS (voice-over): Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula and a vow to end the Korean War. Together, on the South side of the divide, president and supreme leader deliver the aspirational decree, Kim Jong-un and Moon Jae-in announced what would have been unimaginable just 12 months ago, when the North threatened to turn Seoul into a sea of fire.

MOON JAE-IN, PRESIDENT, SOUTH KOREA (through translator): Today, Chairman Kim and have agreed that a complete denuclearization will be achieved. And that is our common goal.

HANCOCKS (voice-over): This historic moment after a day made for television and the history books.

Kim Jong-un gripped President Moon's hand and steps over the simple concrete line that represents a Korea divided for generations and militarized to the brink of destruction.

Hand in hand they take a symbolic and unscripted step into the North. Kim is now the first in a dynasty of dictators to travel to the South since the armistice in 1953.

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KIM JONG-UN, NORTH KOREAN LEADER (through translator): I came here with a mindset that I'm standing at the starting line of the new history of the North-South relationship.

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HANCOCKS (voice-over): A unified Korea remains a long way off. For now it is about guaranteeing survival. The North needs relief from biting sanctions.

For the South and the watching world, it is the promise of denuclearization. But an afternoon walk in a DMZ garden offers the leaders a chance for private discussion. Stern faces betray an intense conversation.

Pageantry returned as the men meet their wives for a banquet. The menu, sourced from across the Korean Peninsula, offers a reminder of what unites the two. Millions across both Koreas and around the world wait for what will happen when Donald Trump comes to the table.

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HANCOCKS: It is interesting also to see how KCNA, the state-run media has covered this. There are a number of news articles already about what happened, about the tree planting, about how they stepped over the MDL; of course, mentioning the fact that President Moon also stepped into the Northern side of the DMZ.

So it is a very different tone that we're seeing from North Korean state-run media, which means that it is a different tone that the North Korean people are being shown now, not speaking of a puppet government, as they often did when it came to South Korea, as they don't believe the government is legitimate, but talking about President Moon Jae-in.

So we're seeing a sea change as well in what the North Korean people are being told.

HOWELL: That is really insightful. Thank you for pointing that out. And thank you for the report, Paula. We'll stay in touch with you.

Before the summit ended, we heard even more from the South Korean president and his North Korean counterpart about the peninsula's future.

ALLEN: But they were short on specifics about how peace would be achieved.

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MOON JAE-IN, PRESIDENT, SOUTH KOREA (through translator): We believe that the dark shadows that gloomed over the Korean Peninsula, the glooming of the war, have been removed and we have a path to peace. We are able to determine the fate of our people on our two sides.

KIM JONG-UN (through translator): The meeting today and results we were able to weave together are only going to be a beginning. And it's going to be the tip of the iceberg to what we are going to be able to achieve in the future.

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ALLEN: The U.S. Secretary of Defense is expressing high hopes about dealing with North Korea.

HOWELL: But General James Mattis told reporters at the Pentagon he doesn't want to assume anything at this point. Listen.

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GEN. JAMES MATTIS, U.S. SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: I don't have a crystal ball. I can tell you we are optimistic right now, that there is opportunity here that we have never enjoyed since 1950. So we're going to have to see what they produce. But that is going to take diplomats working. And I'm not going to calculate in advance anything.

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HOWELL: It is historic but a lot of questions. Let's bring in Jasper Kim to talk about it, director of the Center for Conflict Management at Ewha University, live from Seoul, South Korea, this hour.

Thank you so much for your time today. So a great deal of hopefulness around this summit. But let's talk about these vague terms and statements. First, the very general agreement signed by the president Moon and chairman Kim to end the Korean War. But given how short in detail it is, how difficult do you think it will be for these leaders to agree to specific terms?

JASPER KIM, EWHA UNIVERSITY: Well, George, it all depends on trust and chemistry. These two things go hand-in-hand, especially at the very top leadership command chain, as we will see here in the next stage with Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump.

I mean, all these agreements, whatever form they may come in, the 1994 agreed framework, the 2000 framework, 2007, they're all fairly short agreements. And they have broad-based language, hortatory language, upon which the leaders can interpret and extrapolate what they want and take that home to their constituents and claim wins.

So for the next stage, when Kim Jong-un meets Donald Trump, they will have to barrel down on these issues. And I don't think that it will get into granular level of detail. But it will get into more detail; that is a necessity. And that is where the elected leaders on the U.S. side and South Korea and Kim Jong-un, that is their job, to take it past the finish line.

HOWELL: Again, these hopeful images. But as the saying goes, the devil is always in the details, the devil in the details around the word denuclearization.

What might that mean for North Korea?

How that might be different for South Korea or for the United States?

JASPER KIM: Well, that is a great question. I think, if the definition of denuclearization is broad-based enough, as these agreements tend to be, if you parse through the language of past agreements between North Korea and other parties, then you can interpret whatever you want in it.

And that is the virtue of an agreement that is very broad. Of course on the flip side of it, it that it is not detailed enough so that it doesn't --

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JASPER KIM: -- have all the steps and the verification processes and the parties explicitly stated by name. So you can only get what you can take from it.

These two leaders, Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un and Moon Jae-in, they only have a limited constrained amount of time to speak about things. So if they come away with any type of agreement in form that they can hail back to their respective constituents, I think that's something that, if they said we got to yes, that will be a success metric that has been met.

HOWELL: All right. So this meeting between these two leaders now in the history books. All eyes ahead now to this possible meeting between Kim Jong-un and the U.S. President Donald Trump.

Did Friday's meeting at the DMZ lay significant groundwork for that?

And what do you believe North Korea will have to do in the weeks ahead of it?

JASPER KIM: Yes, well, I think the answer is an emphatic yes. What these two leaders from both Koreas, what they came out to do, I think, if anything, they met the expectations, probably exceeded it.

And there, that upside is -- the downside is that the next iteration of this meeting between the U.S. and North Korea, from the U.S.' perspective and Donald Trump's perspective, he doesn't want to be upstaged at all. He doesn't want the opening act to be greater than the act itself. And that is how he sees things as a former media person.

So he might be concerned about that and he will try to upstage what has just happened, because the visuals and optics, the stagecraft of it all, it was utterly amazing. It's something that Steven Spielberg couldn't have choreographed to that level.

And in terms of moving forward, I think it is really unclear what has to be done. But I think it all depends what happens when Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump walk into that room and they basically sniff each other out, can I trust this person.

That is the critical issue. And the more they trust, the more progress and more detailed they will be in their agreement, if there is one.

HOWELL: But again, you can't underscore it more, the optics will certainly be important.

And what could derail those optics?

The details. We'll have to wait and see. Thank you so much for your time, Jasper Kim. We'll stay in touch.

ALLEN: He makes a good point. Maybe we can get Steven Spielberg to help orchestrate the U.S. --

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ALLEN: -- make it look good.

All right. Coming up here, new developments in the Russian meddling investigation.

Remember that Russian lawyer from the Trump Tower, meeting with Trump campaign officials?

Seems she is apparently not who she said she was.

HOWELL: We'll tell you more about that ahead.

Plus the leaders of Germany and the U.S., they got together on Friday and they didn't exactly see eye to eye on several issues. We'll take a look ahead at one of the biggest sticking points as CNN NEWSROOM pushes on.

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ALLEN: Welcome back to CNN NEWSROOM.

We're following two key developments in investigations of Russian meddling of the 2016 election. Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee issued their report saying there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

HOWELL: And there is new information on that Russian attorney, who is now at that infamous Trump Tower meeting with the Trump campaign officials. Our Jim Sciutto has details for us.

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JIM SCIUTTO, CNN CHIEF U.S. SECURITY CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The Russian lawyer who met with Trump campaign officials in 2016, touted as having dirt on Hillary Clinton, now admits that she has closer ties to the Kremlin than she previously disclosed.

In fact, she calls herself an informant for the Russian government. Citing newly surfaced e-mails, "The New York Times" reports that Natalia Veselnitskaya once worked with Russia's top prosecutor.

"I am a lawyer and I am an informant," she told NBC News.

"Since 2013, I've been actively communicating with the office of the Russian prosecutor general."

Just last year Veselnitskaya said just the opposite.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you ever worked for the Russian government?

Do you have connections to the Russian government?

NATALIA VESELNITSKAYA, RUSSIAN LAWYER AND INFORMANT: No.

SCIUTTO (voice-over): The Trump Tower meeting is of interest to special counsel Robert Mueller for two potential reasons. First, to see if there is evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russian government during the campaign.

And second, to see if the president attempted to obstruct justice by helping to draft a misleading explanation for what was discussed in the meeting.

Ranking Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, Adam Schiff, said the lawyer's revelation makes Russia's intentions clearer.

SCIUTTO: What is the importance, in your view, of this admission by this Russian lawyer, that she wasn't just a private attorney but she was working, in effect, for the Russian government?

REP. ADAM SCHIFF (D-CALIF.), MEMBER, HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE: Well, it certainly corroborates what we have seen of Veselnitskaya, what we have seen of her contacts within the Russian government as well as her persistence in terms of one of Putin's top priorities, would incident that this is not a solo agent. This is someone on working on behalf of the Kremlin.

SCIUTTO (voice-over): Notably, Schiff says that Veselnitskaya reached back out to Trump aides after Trump won the election.

science You're saying it has the impression of a quid pro quo?

SCHIFF: It certainly does. Certainly the Russians thought that they had reason to believe, after the campaign, that they now might get the help that they sought in that meeting at Trump Tower.

SCIUTTO (voice-over): The revelations come as Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee released a redacted report, concluding that they found no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

The Republicans, however, did fault the campaign for meeting with the Russian lawyer saying it, quote, "demonstrated poor judgment." And they criticized Trump's repeated praise for WikiLeaks.

TRUMP: WikiLeaks, I love WikiLeaks.

SCIUTTO (voice-over): Stating it found, quote, "The Trump campaign's periodic praise for and communications with WikiLeaks, a hostile foreign organization, to be highly objectionable and inconsistent with U.S. national security interests."

President Trump praised the report.

TRUMP: We were honored. It was a great report. No collusion, which I knew anyway, no coordination, no nothing. It is a witch hunt. That's all it is.

SCIUTTO (voice-over): In other findings, the report revealed that Michael Flynn, before he joined the Trump campaign formally, and his son contacted the Russian government earlier than previously known in 2015, meeting with then Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak at his residence, a meeting requested by either Flynn or his son.

The report says, quote, "The meeting was later described by General Flynn's son in an e-mail to the Russian embassy as 'very productive.'"

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SCIUTTO (voice-over): Also in 2015, Trump's personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, and Russian American business associate, Felix Sadr, were involved in efforts to cement ties between then candidate Trump and Russian president Vladimir Putin.

During an e-mail exchange about building a Trump Tower in Moscow, Sadr wrote to Cohen, if, quote, "Putin gets on stage with Donald for a ribbon cutting for Trump Moscow, Donald owns the Republican nomination." SCIUTTO: And more revelations contained in the Democratic version of

the House Intelligence report, evidence of communications from Russians involved in that June 2016 Trump Tower meeting, reaching out to the Trump family and associates days after Trump's election, including discussions of possible business deals, certainly information, certainly communications that the special counsel, Robert Mueller, would be asking questions about as well -- Jim Sciutto, CNN, Washington.

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HOWELL: Jim, thank you for that report.

And we saw the German chancellor Angela Merkel there in Jim's report. She is the latest European leader to urge the U.S. president to stick with the Iran nuclear deal.

ALLEN: The two spoke at the White House Friday. Mr. Trump insists it is a bad deal for the U.S. and that, no matter what, the U.S. takes a hard line on Iran's nuclear capabilities.

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TRUMP: I don't talk about whether or not I'd use military force. It is not appropriate to be talking about. But I can tell you this, they will not be doing nuclear weapons. That I can tell you. OK?

They won't be doing nuclear weapons. You can bank on it.

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HOWELL: Chancellor Merkel admits the agreement is anything but perfect but that it is an important first step toward curbing Iran's nuclear ambitions and is essential for Europe.

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ANGELA MERKEL, CHANCELLOR OF GERMANY (through translator): The whole of the region, obviously, is of prime importance to us, because it's not 1,000 kilometers away, as it is the case, for example, between the USA and Syria.

But Syria and Iran are countries that are right on our doorstep. So that is of prime importance for us, and we will continue to be in very close talks on this.

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ALLEN: Although it wasn't as chummy as the French president's visit, Mr. Trump and Ms. Merkel say their friendship is strong. And he praised her as an extraordinary woman.

Let's talk more about the meeting now and the Iran deal with Inderjeet Parmar, professor of international politics at City University of London.

Inderjeet, it's always good to have you with us. Good morning.

So President Trump has hosted both leaders from Germany and France, two important allies, in the past week. Issue one, the Iran nuclear deal. Both Merkel and Macron want the U.S. to stay in the deal. But let's listen to what the new secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, just said about it.

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MIKE POMPEO, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: Been no decision made. So the team is working and I'm sure we'll have lots of conversations to deliver what the president has made clear. Absent a substantial fix, absent overcoming the shortcomings, the flaws of the deal, he is unlikely to stay in that deal past this May.

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ALLEN: There you have it, right there, certainly Pompeo is a hawk, Inderjeet; likewise the new national security adviser, John Bolton.

Why is the U.S. down on this agreement with Iran?

INDERJEET PARMAR, CITY UNIVERSITY LONDON: Well, I think at the heart of it, really ,if you go deeper into the history of U.S.-Iran relations since 1979, I think there is a desire fundamentally for regime change.

Iran's influence in the Middle East region has influenced over the last decade or more, particularly since the Iraq war, which opened up Iraq itself to a greater level of Shia influence and, therefore, Iranian influence.

But also you look in Syria and Lebanon and Yemen. And I think, at the end, it is a rollback and containment strategy, which possibly has as its ultimate goal regime change. So any agreements made with Iran then, which protect it some ways or reduce the level of sanctions against it, I think is a big problem for the United States policy.

So I think that they want to therefore put extra pressure on other areas which are not actually part of the original Iran nuclear agreement, such as ballistic missile testing and things like that, for example.

ALLEN: So let's talk about considering what you just said the approach then. Even though our close European allies want the U.S. to stay in, this is probably somewhat as well about America first. We do what we want in the Trump era. He certainly did things his way with North Korea. Look at the historic breakthrough there.

Maybe his hardline approach could work with Iran?

PARMAR: I think the hardline approach never really ended. I think it was really the fact that Iran had in effect used its opportunities in the Middle East very well, you could say, after the Iraq war.

And I think that the nuclear agreement, if you like, was a great breakthrough and victory for coercive diplomacy but, in the end, diplomacy. So, yes, of course, we can see in the North Korean situation that the United States' fire and fury and that kind of thing has had some effect.

But I don't think -- I think it is a little bit more complicated than just the United States.

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PARMAR: A lot of other actors are involved. And Kim, if you like, also pursued a very hardline military first, North Korea first strategy as well. So I don't think that the two situations are identical, although I think the goals ultimately of the U.S. in both of those situations are very similar.

I think both of them ultimately would like regime change. But I think there, the biggest roadblocks, too, any kind of progress as well. Because if each of those regimes feels under threat of its mere survival, that is a very big red line that is drawn which will be very, very difficult to cross indeed.

ALLEN: It's interesting that Donald Trump is willing to work with North Korea on its nuclear program but Iran is a no-go.

Is that a bit odd to you?

PARMAR: The thing is, with North Korea, North Korea now has nuclear weapons. There is nothing that you can do about it now. They've tried everything. They tried sanctions and so on. And they are looking for all sorts of little bits of hope in that.

But Kim has completed a small but it's a nuclear weapons program. It's a nuclear state. Iran isn't. And its argument is, we've signed all these agreements; we're not enriching uranium at the level that it can be weaponized into nuclear weapons.

We are relying on Russia for that and some European pals also to provide the uranium for our power plants. But we don't want to be committed forever and ever to those agreements.

And hence there are these sunset clauses, because they don't -- they fear that Saudi Arabia may well begin a nuclear program. And I know that that has been part of the discussion between President Trump and the Saudi regime as well.

ALLEN: Interesting developments. We'll, of course, be watching it and we'll talk with you again about it. Thanks so much, Inderjeet Parmar. Thank you.

PARMAR: Thank you very much.

HOWELL: The porn star Stormy Daniels, her lawsuit against President Trump and his personal attorney, Michael Cohen, is on hold, at least temporarily. A California judge delayed the case for 90 days.

Cohen requested the stay, citing the ongoing criminal investigation into him and his intention to invoke his right to remain silent. He argued that he wouldn't be able to properly provide information.

ALLEN: Daniels is suing to get out of an agreement to keep quiet about her alleged affair with Mr. Trump. Her attorney says they plan to appeal the decision.

Investigators in California have cracked a very old cold case. How DNA evidence and ancestry records helped police catch a serial murder suspect. That is ahead.

HOWELL: Plus protests across Spain after a controversial court ruling that involves the rape of a teenage girl and anger spilling onto the streets.

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ALLEN: Welcome back. You are watching CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Natalie Allen.

HOWELL: And I'm George Howell with the headlines we're following for you.

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ALLEN: We're learning more about how investigators used a genealogy website to crack a string of unsolved murder and rape cases in California.

HOWELL: Arrested for crimes dating back to the 1970s and '80s, police say they believe Joseph DeAngelo is the notorious Golden State killer. Our Stephanie Elam was at the court appearance in Sacramento and has this report.

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STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Entering the court while handcuffed to a wheelchair, Joseph DeAngelo spoke softly while addressing the judge. He did not enter a plea to murder charges stemming from a case from 40 years ago, where he allegedly killed a young married couple.

An attorney for DeAngelo says the 72-year old is depressed and fragile. Investigators allege he is the Golden State killer, a brutal rapist and murderer, who terrorized Californians during the 1970s and '80s.

ANNE MARIE SCHUBERT, SACRAMENTO COUNTY DA: We all knew as part of this team that we were looking for a needle in a haystack. We found the needle in the haystack. And it was right here in Sacramento.

ELAM (voice-over): Investigators were able to unlock the cold case with a DNA sample left by the killer in one of the attacks.

PAUL HOLES, CONTRA COSTA COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY INVESTIGATOR: We ended up generating a DNA profile from the Golden State killer evidence and then were able to take that profile and upload it into an open source public genealogy database called GEDmatch.

GEDmatch then is able to search that profile against the other public profiles that individuals have placed in there. Once we got the initial DNA match results and found very distant relatives, it took us four months.

ELAM (voice-over): DeAngelo is a Navy veteran, who served aboard a missile cruiser during the Vietnam War. He was also a police officer in the towns of Exeter and Auburn, where officials say he was fired in 1979 for stealing a can of dog repellent and a hammer from a drug store.

For 27 years, he worked as a mechanic at a Save Mart distribution center in nearby Roseville. He retired last year. The 72-year old was taken into custody in Citrus Heights, a Sacramento suburb.

SCOTT JONES, SACRAMENTO COUNTY SHERIFF: When he came out of his residence, we had a team in place that was able to take him into custody. He was very surprised by that.

ELAM (voice-over): For those who survived the Golden State killer's attacks, like Jane Carson Sandler, relief mixed with shock as new details emerge.

JANE CARSON SANDLER, GOLDEN STATE KILLER VICTIM: I also lived in Citrus Heights at this time. So he very well could have been my neighbor, which is just -- I can't imagine. I often wonder how long he had stalked me --

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CARSON SANDLER: -- where he had first seen me.

ELAM (voice-over): Carson Sandler clearly remembers the moment a masked man broke into her home.

CARSON SANDLER: When he ran down the hall and had that flashlight in my eyes and that big butcher knife facing my chest, he immediately said, with clenched teeth, "Shut up or I'll kill you."

ELAM (voice-over): Law enforcement officials believe DeAngelo is responsible for 12 murders and more than 50 rapes in at least 10 counties. They say he also terrorized some of his victims by phone.

HOLES: The fact that he would call his victims years, in some cases, afterwards, just to continuously torment them, underscores the type of person he is.

ELAM: He was the type to not leave fingerprints. Police were unable to identify their suspect until recently. DeAngelo is expected next in court on May 14th -- Stephanie Elam, CNN, Sacramento, California. (END VIDEOTAPE)

HOWELL: Wow.

ALLEN: What an amazing breakthrough.

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HOWELL: Across Spain, thousands of people were on the streets after a court ruling cleared five men of a teenager's rape, finding them guilty of a lesser crime.

ALLEN: Protesters are now demanding Spain change its laws regarding sexual assault. Here is CNN's Isa Soares.

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ISA SOARES, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Madrid, Alicante (ph), Bilbao, Pamplona, thousands of people took to the streets across Spain in protest after five men were cleared of a gang rape of a teen girl, an attack that took place during the Running of the Bulls Festival in Pamplona two years ago.

Instead of rape, a three-judge panel convicted them of the lesser crime of sexual abuse, which does not include violence and gave them a nine-year sentence. Prosecutors were seeking 22 years for each defendant.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Likewise, we impose five years of freedom on probation, which will take place after the imprisonment punishment.

SOARES (voice-over): Outside the courthouse, demonstrators chanted, "That is not abuse, that is rape." Around the country, angry groups of (INAUDIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): It causes me indignation and rage. As I read more from the sentence, because I'm a lawyer, the more rage I feel. First of all, I think the law should be changed in order to adapt to international law. Therefore, no is no. And there is no need of violence so that it has to be considered as rape.

SOARES (voice-over): Pedro Sanchez, leader of Spain's Socialist Party, tweeted, "She said no. We believed you then and we still believe you. If what the wolf pack did wasn't group violence against a defenseless woman, then what do we understand by rape?"

The official spokesman for Spain's government says he will review whether the country's laws involving sex crimes needed to be updated. The case became known as La Manada, or the Wolf Pack, after the name of a WhatsApp group which defendants used to chat about the attack.

The men allegedly recorded mobile phone video of the encounter, laughing about the incident with their friends on WhatsApp.

Since the beginning of the trial, the case sparked widespread outrage around Spain. This, as a number of reports of sex attacks at the annual festival have been on the rise. Both the prosecution and defense say they will appeal the ruling. The men have denied any wrongdoing -- Isa Soares, CNN.

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ALLEN: Well, let's hear it for those protesters. Hope that works.

A toddler at the center of a legal battle in the U.K. has died, according to his parents' Facebook accounts; 23-month-old Alfie Evans was diagnosed with a degenerative brain condition in 2016 and had been on life support at a hospital in Liverpool.

HOWELL: Measures were withdrawn on Monday after his parents lost their legal battles. They wanted to move him to a hospital in Italy for treatment. But doctors thought it would not be in the child's best interests.

People around the world followed and supported his family's pleas, including Pope Francis. He met with Alfie's father last week in Rome.

Still ahead here, a family's desperate journey to reach the U.S. We look at the migrant caravan now at the border. Stay with us.

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ALLEN: A story now from Nicaragua. A human rights group says at least 39 people have been killed in that country in a wave of anti- government protests. The U.S. embassy warns more demonstrators are expected on the streets in the coming hours.

HOWELL: Pension reforms sparked the protests earlier this month and a police crackdown led to more violence. President Daniel Ortega scrapped the reforms on Sunday but protesters are still calling for him to leave office.

Unrest in places like Nicaragua is part of what's driving the so- called migrant caravan across Mexico and up into the United States.

ALLEN: Many of the migrants have reached the city Tijuana, it's right on the U.S. border, but President Trump has made it clear he doesn't want them to cross. As CNN's Leyla Santiago reports, that is not stopping families desperate for a better life.

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LEYLA SANTIAGO, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The pushing, the walking, the riding, the waiting, the exhaustion. But Gabriela Hernandez says she has no choice. This is what she must do to reach this point. Off in the distance, behind a tall fence, for the first time, she is getting a glimpse of the United States of America.

GABRIELA HERNANDEZ, CARAVAN MIGRANT: (Speaking Spanish).

SANTIAGO: She said it just doesn't seem real that she is that close, given all that they have struggled through to get here.

SANTIAGO (voice-over): We met Hernandez in Puebla, Mexico.

SANTIAGO: I'm asking where she is from.

SANTIAGO (voice-over): On live TV early in her journey with a large group of Central American migrants making their way north. She had just gotten off the bus and knowing she was part of a group that had become the latest target of President Trump. He called them dangerous.

SANTIAGO: Asking if they are dangerous.

HERNANDEZ: (Speaking Spanish).

SANTIAGO: She said a child of this age cannot be dangerous.

SANTIAGO (voice-over): We tracked her journey, as the pregnant mother of two boards more than half a dozen buses for road trips totaling more than 50 hours.

We watched her wipe away her own tears after realizing her children would sit on mounds of scrap metal on a free train. With little to no money or food she is trying to go protect them in search of a better life.

A month ago she joined more than a thousand migrants on Mexico's southern border --

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SANTIAGO (voice-over): -- for an annual march north, a caravan calling attention to the flight of the migrants, including a number of people planning to seek asylum, a legal way to enter the U.S. under federal law.

Trump has ordered Homeland Security not to let what he calls "large caravans" into the country.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions has already said he will make sure enough U.S. attorneys and judges are in place at the border to rule on the cases of this caravan.

HERNANDEZ (from captions): A lot of people are against us. A lot of people think we just woke up one morning and left for a trip. It's difficult with kids. It is not an easy decision to make, to leave behind your family.

SANTIAGO (voice-over): About 130 of the migrants plan to turn themselves into authorities in San Diego. Volunteer attorneys are helping the migrants who get the chance to plead their case.

Hernandez says this is about survival. She said the gangs that control her neighborhood in Honduras threatened to kill her 6-year-old son. Having no faith in any sort of government protection in her own country, she fled.

HERNANDEZ (from captions): I don't care if something happens to me, but not my kids.

SANTIAGO (voice-over): Mexico granted many in the caravan temporary permission to be in the country. Some have opted to seek asylum in Mexico any possibility of ever dealing with Trump. Hernandez knows in the U.S., detention is likely, deportation a possibility; her concern now, her family.

HERNANDEZ (from captions): I fear they will take away my kids.

SANTIAGO: She worries she could be separated from her children while in the custody of U.S. immigration officials. Homeland Security insists children are only separated to protect a child or if there's any doubt the adult is the child's legal guardian.

But what will happen under the watchful eye of the Trump administration as the caravan approaches the U.S. border remains unknown.

HERNANDEZ: (Speaking Spanish).

SANTIAGO: She says she doesn't know what she will do if she can't get in because she can't go back to her country.

SANTIAGO (voice-over): And yet, that uncertainty hasn't stopped them yet -- Leyla Santiago, CNN, Tijuana, Mexico.

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HOWELL: Leyla there showing the difficult struggle that many of these families are undergoing just to find a better life.

ALLEN: I certainly hope she gets her chance to plead her case when she gets there.

HOWELL: And speaking of that, headed to the border as well, the U.S. vice president will be there, headed there Monday. An administration source says Mike Pence is set to visit the border town of Calexico in California.

ALLEN: He will be in the state as part of a fundraising push. Pence also visited the border on a Texas trip in February.

Much more ahead here, including the return of superstars from the 1970s.

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ALLEN: Mamma Mia, here we go again, coming up, why fans of these disco pop darlings are celebrating across the world. Yes, it's Abba.

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HOWELL (voice-over): There he is. Meet Louis Arthur Charles, the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have announced the name of their new son. He is fifth in line to the British throne after his grandfather, Prince Charles, his father and his brother and sister. Kings named Louis are generally associated with France, not the United Kingdom.

ALLEN (voice-over): But the choice for the young prince is thought to honor Prince Philip's uncle, Earl Louis Mountbatten.

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ALLEN: So welcome, Louis. It is unclear if the duke and duchess will bring the royal newborn to Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's wedding in three weeks. One would doubt it. You wouldn't want to upstage the bride with a cute baby. So we'll see.

HOWELL: But the marriage will be the big change for the bride-to-be. She just wrapped up her life as an actress with a fitting storyline on her TV show. Our Max Foster has more on the big day.

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MAX FOSTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): First, a note of reassurance. You didn't miss the royal wedding. If you saw Meghan Markle get married this week, it was only pretend for the finale of her TV show, "Suits."

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FOSTER (voice-over): As her character, Rachel Zane, sets off on honeymoon, Markle bows out of acting for good to focus on her even higher profile role as a senior British royal.

Much is being made of the cost of her real-life wedding. And it will almost certainly rise above $10 million, when you take into account the cost of security involved. Figures obtained by the Press Association show the last big royal wedding, William and Kate's in 2011, cost $8.8 million in security.

The rest of the expenses this time around are being met by the royal family, so we'll never really know the true full cost.

William, though, will serve as best man to Harry, the palace confirmed this week in the least surprising press statement of the season. Harry served in the same role for his brother in 2011 and guests raved about the speech he gave, teasing William.

"Revenge is sweet," William said this week, when he was asked if he was looking forward to being best man of the wedding of the year -- Max Foster, CNN, London.

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HOWELL: Max, thank you.

All right, some big news as we close the hour.

ALLEN: Fans of the Swedish pop group, Abba, listen up. And who is not a fan?

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The band just announced that it has recorded new songs. Here is our Richard Quest.

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RICHARD QUEST, CNNMONEY EDITOR AT LARGE: Abba, one of the biggest pop acts in history, whose songs still blare out at wedding parties and karaoke get-togethers, and whose music has spawned a musical and a movie.

Now the group is back together, more than three decades --

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QUEST (voice-over): -- after calling it quits.

BJORN ULVAEUS, ABBA SINGER/SONGWRITER: In just took moments and we were kind of looking at each other because -- and then straight back, like no time had passed at all. It was amazing.

QUEST (voice-over): The question is, why now?

Their Instagram page reveals that after avatars were made of the group for TV, they wanted to sing again, recording two new songs, one's called "I Still Have Faith in You."

I had faith in them in 1974, when they won the Eurovision song contest. And these two married couples hit the big time. A music factory churning out questionable knitwear and a string of hits from "Voulez Vous" to "Gimme, Gimme, Gimme" and, of course, appropriately for us "Money, Money, Money." Some people don't know when to say no.

You can even sing and dance like them at the Abba museum in Stockholm. The museum says Abba has sold 375 million albums and Abba was once rumored to be Sweden's second biggest export after Volvo.

But talk of a comeback was crushed only a few short years ago.

ULVAEUS: We want people to see us as we were during the '70s, that young, ambitious, energetic group.

QUEST (voice-over): Now, thanks to modern technology, recreating their energetic selves, Abba is back. And so is "Mamma Mia," the movie, a sequel due this summer with new songs, a new movie and avatars.

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QUEST (voice-over): Old fans like me will lap it up. New fans will be found. And Abba will live on for the next generation -- Richard Quest, CNN, New York.

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ALLEN: All right, the dancing queens are back. I'm ready for it.

HOWELL: And we'll be right back after the break. Stay with us.