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Hunt For Killer, Teacher Shot Multiple Times In Driveway; New Wedding Fear, High Security, Drama Surround Royal Wedding; New Fears Tonight; Horrifying New Details; One More Thing; Cops: Smiling Mom Stabs Child Up To 70 Times; Trucks Jumps Interstate Divider, Takes Out Light Poles; PGA Golfer Lucas Glover`s Wife Is Charge Of Attacking Her Husband And His Mother In-Law; Royal Wedding Cost $40 Million. Aired 6-8p ET

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[18:00:00] ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HOST, HLN CRIME AND JUSTICE: Good evening, everyone, I`m Ashleigh Banfield. Welcome to "Crime and Justice."

Tonight, new disturbing details in the death of a Pennsylvania teacher who was gunned down on her mother`s driveway. Bernice Man is covering the

story. What did you find?

BERNICE MAN, CRIME AND JUSTICE PRODUCER: Ashleigh, was it a crime of passion or a random act? And did her death have anything to do with her

suspension from school relating to an incident with a minor in a car?

BANFIELD: All right. We will look into that. Thank you Bernice. Two and a half days until the royal wedding. And Windsor Castle is in the thick of

preparations. But it is not just about the flowers. Make no mistake, there so much secret security ramping up behind the scenes to make sure

that the big day is crime free. Justin Freiman has been following all this. Half of the stuff, we can`t see any of it, can we?

JUSTIN FREIMAN, SR. PRODUCER, HLN CNN: That is right, we can`t. But I will tell you, all eyes will be on the royal couple during the big wedding,

including some very well trained snipers at a price tag coming in over $40 million. We`re going to break it down for you.

BANFIELD: OK. Thank you, Justin.

Also, more tonight on the Oklahoma mother who sparked a manhunt after doing the unthinkable to her daughters, allegedly stabbing one of them up to 70

times and then leaving her to die in the burning house. Kyle Peltz is covering these developments. So upsetting.

KYLE PELTZ, CRIME AND JUSTICE PRODUCER: That girl was said to have been bludgeoned with a pick axe, still clinging on to life tonight. Ashleigh,

her mom was just seen smiling after her arrest, seemingly showing almost no remorse. But we`ll see if she is still smiling, when she is in front of a

judge.

BANFIELD: This video of her absolutely grinning to the cameras as she is being perp walked away. We are going to ask what that white suit as well,

Kyle. Find out the story of the white suit is, does it has anything to do with her mental stability.

And look at this video, a pickup truck grinding the rail, on a busy Wisconsin Freeway sending lamp posts flying into oncoming traffic, we are

going to tell you how this happened, and how somehow, somehow nobody got hurt. Shocking.

Also later, the PGA golfer reportedly attacked by his own wife, beautiful wife after playing a bad round of golf. Really? Police say she didn`t

stop with attacking him. She said -- that she went after that golfer`s mom next, and then threatened officers. So why does he seem to be telling a

different story? And wait until you hear what happened in the police car and Sally Port (ph), when they tried to bring her in. That is all coming

up in just a moment.

First of all, I want to take you to this story, the killer in Western Pennsylvania where investigators are trying to determine why a stunning

young schoolteacher was gunned down on her mother`s driveway on mother`s day, just after going for ice cream with a friend.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DAVID LOZIER, BEAVER COUNTY, DISTRICT ATTORNEY: We`re working with every resource that we have with the Pennsylvania state police, the District

Attorney`s office, the Detective Bureau, to investigate this case, to tie up every detail.

We`re investigating everyone that was driving around Aliquippa that night, that was anywhere near this young lady`s house. We`re getting video

cameras. We are downloading information. We are interviewing witnesses. We are doing everything we can.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Rachael DelTondo was shot multiple times in the torso. But whether it was someone she knew or a random drive-by, that still seems to

be a strange mystery tonight. But there is definitely drama in this woman`s past, and it is complicating the investigation into this crime.

Like the beautiful dress that she had made for her wedding, reportedly more than $10,000.

It was a love story that turned into a lawsuit covered by the local news, in fact, when that wedding was cancelled, and the salon refused to refund

Rachael`s money or give her the dress. And then there is Rachael`s suspension from her school. Because she may have been a teacher when she

was, you know, at one point, but Rachael was not teaching when she was killed. And her school says her suspension might just have had something

to do with the minor that police recently found with her in a steamed up car.

Joining me now, Joe Destio, anchor and reporter for Newsradio 1020, KDKA, also CNN senior law enforcement analyst and former FBI Assistant Director,

Tom Fuentes, and defense attorney, Anne Bremner is here with us as well. And also Dr. Tim Gallagher, medical examiner and forensic pathologist is

joining us on the program.

First to you, Joe, can you give me a bit of a rundown on why this may have been a crime of passion and why police are throwing some cold water on that

as well? When it is clear that whoever intended to kill her had every intention of doing it with a lot of gunfire and doing it at close range.

JOE DESTIO, ANCHOR AND REPORTER, NEWSRADIO 1020 KDKA: Yes, I think it`s pretty clear. While there have been some -- unconfirmed reports that it

was a crime of passion, the D.A. hasn`t said that. When you`re shot at close range, at least ten bullets fired into your torso, well, there`s some

passion that is involved there. It`s unlikely, but again, nobody has confirmed that this was a random drive-by.

[18:05:17] It clearly indicates that she was targeted and that the person who did the shooting probably did know her. But again, that is not coming

from authoritative sources right now. So, we know that it happened that night. It was a quiet, residential street. Her house -- her mother`s

house on mother`s day. But officials are not naming any suspects. In fact, they won`t say they have suspects at this point.

BANFIELD: So what about witnesses? I mean, often -- look, if you`re gunned down in a driveway of your mother`s house on Mother`s Day, most

people are home on Mother`s Day. There would be witnesses, there would be at least people who would be close by who could hear the shots, maybe

someone in the driveway itself as we`re hearing possibly, and then also the possibility of video, some of those home surveillance systems that are all

over people`s, you know, neighborhoods these days. What do we know about that?

DESTIO: Well, we do know that the police and detectives are looking into all of that. Those things basically have all been confirmed. The other

thing that I think you know is that her cell phone, Rachael`s cell phone and perhaps others are being downloaded by state police in Hershey,

Pennsylvania in the central part of the state. We don`t know what`s on those cell phones, but clearly there were records that can be accessed,

even information that maybe was deleted from the phones. That is why it was sent to the Harrisburg area, because they have the software that can

get at that information.

BANFIELD: OK. So they`re doing all of these things. But in the meantime, it`s not as though this woman isn`t story and drama free. She has all this

baggage that she had with her when she died, including a former fiance. You know police drill down on families and obviously a former fiance and

then a school that, you know, cast her adrift, because she had been caught in a car with a 17-year-old. Police saying, look, there was nothing wrong

there.

There was a police report, she wasn`t charged with anything. The car was steamy, yes, but we believe she was just talking. Nevertheless, Joe, she

lost her job. So, there is a lot of baggage, and people who might have wanted to do ill will. And then there`s that crazy story about the police

report that was never supposed to be made public about that incident with the teenager, because she was not charged. Police said there were no --

there was nothing going on in that car that was naughty. But somebody released the report. Walk me through why that is significant here.

DESTIO: Yes, like you said, there`s a kind of a lot surrounding this case. In fact, it even kind of played out this week when a police sergeant in the

town of Aliquippa, where this happened was face on leave. Now, it wasn`t for anything untoward. But it was because his family is very close to

Rachael DelTondo`s family, in fact, it was his own daughter, according to the D.A., who confirms this today, who was riding around with Rachael that

day when they -- that evening when they went to get ice cream.

Did she witness the shooting? We don`t know that. But she was with Rachael that day. The families are close. And because of those

complicating factors, detective -- Sergeant Kenneth Watkins was placed on leave pending this investigation. So we do know that she was suspended

from her job at a charter school, because the charter school became aware of that incident in the car. That was two years ago. But the report was

released to the media, leaked to the media last October.

That is when they became aware of it. The D.A. wanted to make everybody know that there were no criminal charges filed, it was never a case picked

up on this. He said he even went so far as to notify the school that there was never any criminal complaint. Although my understanding is that her

status was still under suspension when she was killed.

BANFIELD: This is super complicated. We have a school that has cut her loose. We have an incident in a steamy car with a teenager that the police

say, hey, stop reading into that stuff, that wasn`t naughty, and she wasn`t charged, and nobody ever should have just released that information to the

public. The D.A. said two different things, though, Joe, the D.A. said it was negligent, that it was an accident, it was sort of a clerical thing

where somebody released the report and forgot to redact names. But then the D.A. also said that this was something that seemed like a personal

vendetta. Is one of those wrong? Or am I getting mistimed information?

DESTIO: Well, no. They could both be true. No one`s saying the vendetta came from the police department. There could have been an error made by

the department in releasing that redacted material, including social security numbers. The vendetta could have been from somebody else. We`re

not sure who requested that police report, more than a year after the incident.

[18:10:06] BANFIELD: Got it. So that is interesting. That is interesting.

DESTIO: The vendetta comes in, who was the leaker and why did they want that information circulated, including to the school?

BANFIELD: Yes. Not even sure she was the leaker, who wanted the leaked information? If that is what we don`t know at this point. If the D.A. is

saying, look, somebody from the cop shop forgot to redact and sent out the info -- that may not be an intentional leak with sinister intention. But

the person who wanted that information on that steamy moment, were she was caught in a car that the police are saying don`t read into it, she was not

charged, she didn`t do anything in that car with the 17-year-old. She was talking to the 17-year-old.

She, herself, said she was just helping that 17-year-old. But yet, there`s this other drama. Her fiance cut her loose too. It was after the

incident, but before the information got out publicly. So in that respect Tom Fuentes, jump in with me here, from an investigation aspect, obviously

you would look at this former fiance, right, and you would also look at the people who had the wedding dress issue, it is a $10,000 rumored to be

somewhere around $10,000 wedding dress. That is not pittance, if you`re having an argument over that kind of money, you`re starting to talk about

serious money. So would they start looking into all of those players?

TOM FUENTES, CNN`S SENIOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST AND FORMER FBI ASSISTANT DIRECTOR: Well, Ashleigh, I can see in this case why they want the state

police to come in and help them. It sounds to me that they are going to need about 400 investigators to get to the bottom and cover all of these

various leads.

First of all, let us start with the termination from the school over an incident that wasn`t an incident, or wasn`t a crime, why was the police

report made, what does the report say, and a year later she still, you know, wasn`t able to have her job back, and she didn`t file for wrongful

termination, apparently, to try to get that job back. So that is one weird aspect to it.

Then you have the wedding dress, then you have the fiance breaking up with her, then you have the murder itself. With that many bullets being fired

into her, police don`t want to call it a crime of passion. It`s not a drive-by shooting unless the drive-by shooter`s car stalls and they can`t

move out of the way so they just stand there and shoot and shoot and shoot. So, that part makes no sense either. That somebody wanted to kill her and

did so. And so that is a big lead.

Then you have the crime scene investigation of the bullets that are at the scene. They`ll be able to determine what kind of gun, how many, whether

more than one gun was involved and get to the bottom of that physical part of the shooting.

BANFIELD: Yes, here`s the Beaver County District Attorney talking about the incident, just in case everybody thinks that a steamy car makes this a

big headline. They want to throw a lot of water on that. Here the district attorney, David Lozier talking about that.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LOZIER: It`s shameful that this woman was painted with a police report that had been written that did not result in criminal charges.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So was she --

LOZIER: It was a personal vendetta against her at the time.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So Dr. Gallagher, if someone -- look, I always wonder about people shot at close range with a lot of bullets. Is there anything that

an autopsy can tell you to lead you towards whether it`s a crime of passion, whether it`s a mistaken identity? I mean, is there something

critical to the notion that she was shot upwards of ten times at close range?

TIM GALLAGHER, MEDICAL EXAMINER AND FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Well, thank you, Ashleigh. It actually is. At autopsy, I guess the first thing you would

want to determine is what was the range of fire? You know, were they shot from across the street, or were they shot from someone standing right in

front of them? And that would be very easy to determine at autopsy by looking at the body and looking at the soot deposition on the body.

You know, when you fire a gun, not only does the bullet come out of the gun, but smoke and flame and ash come out of the gun. And that gets

deposited on the body. And that material only travels about three or four feet. So if we do have that soot and ash on the body we know that the gun

was within three or four feet of the victim when it was shot. Otherwise you can look at the clustering of the entry wounds. If they`re a tight

cluster, you know, that the person must have been standing right in front of them like an expert marksman.

BANFIELD: Notice -- and notice the drawing that we just put up, Ann Bremner jump in on this, all of those gunshots were to her trunk. All of

that red area is where she suffered this gunshots at close range. Look, if you`re trying to do the investigation, if you are trying to deal whether

this was a crime of passion and someone knew her, does that help? Is this going to be a crime of passion when they don`t want to hit the face, do

they want to hit the face? Do they want to hit the face, what does that tell you?

ANNE BREMNER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I know. -- well, it just tells you there`s so much passion, just like strangulation`s intimate in a lot of ways, that

you are so close to the body, but then there is the rage, but not hurting the face. I mean, there is cases we got -- I`ve had on suicides where

women don`t, you know, mark their face. I started thinking about maybe it was a woman in the case. But, you know there is a circle of people in this

case, it is not that big with possible suspects, if we are talking about passion, someone related to the boy, someone related to her fiance, her

fiance, I mean, it`s a crime of passion in her mother`s driveway on Mother`s Day.

[18:15:13] BANFIELD: What does that tell you? What does that tell you? I think there is a lot more to this. I want to continue to look at this. As

we get -- we get more details every day on this story too. Don`t go anywhere Anne, Joe Destio, thank you very much for your help. Tom Fuentes,

I am going to ask you to stay as well and Dr. Gallagher, thank you as well.

I want to get something lighter to talk about, kind of. In a way. So it is light, but it isn`t. So, London is on lockdown, I know you know about

this. Windsor Castle is getting ready for the royal onslaught of onlookers and well-wishers, and you know, crazy people too. But will the extreme

security preps that are being deployed right now be enough? Wait until you hear why this wedding is way more significant than all the other royal

weddings.

[18:20:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: Tonight we`re on wedding countdown. Yay! I don`t know if you got them anything, but we are t-minus 2 and half days until the big

wedding. The world is going to be tuning in to watch the U.K.`s Prince Harry and American actress Meghan Markle, tie the knots, becoming the

world`s newest power couple.

And a royal wedding is always a big, big deal with hundreds of spectators, thousands really, thousands of spectators spilling into the streets and

climbing up trees and lamp posts, all to try to catch a glimpse of the happy couple or has some had hoped, maybe catch a glimpse of the father of

the bride, because there has really never been a royal wedding more ripe with American style drama, fueled by the paparazzi on both sides of the

pond.

Father of the pride, Thomas Markle, seen here, skewered by the press for staging his own paparazzi pictures and they said that he was trying to get

money out of it. Reportedly then having a heart attack, and allegedly still wanting to attend the wedding, but then getting so sick that he might

have been in surgery. It`s all an open-ended question, just so much drama.

But all of that dad-related stuff is really nothing compared to the multimillion dollar security measures that are going into making sure this

big day goes off without a big disaster. So there are bomb-sniffing dogs all over the place. And there are snipers being positioned in all those

high spots. See how many there are, all over the place? Not to mention police officers who are checking all the muck and filth underneath the

manholes for anything dangerous.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We just basically look into the drains -- just to make sure there`s no sort of -- anything untoward hidden in them. Obviously

anything like this is going to be a potential void, so IED`s, roadside explosives, stuff like that could be planted in there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So you`re going through every drain in Windsor?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We need to clear them, yes, to make sure.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: I just love those accents, right, so, all of this, everything you`re seeing, means that this wedding is apparently going to cost

somewhere upwards of $43 million. And that is because 40 million is going to be just on security alone. But if you ask the local police they say it

is well worth the preparation.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s a robust policing plan in place with a variety of measures, some of which you can see, and others which you can`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At the end of the day there`s a royal wedding where two people have fallen in love and we should have a happy day.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: They fall in love they should have a happy day. I just love that. With me now CNN royal commentator, Kate Williams, she is probably

laughing at my horrible accent. And she is in Windsor, so we are going to get a tech in there. Also, royal`s expert Richard Mineards and Tom Fuentes

is still with me, who is great at security.

I think, we have a little bit of a time delay. So, Kate, I`m going to ask you this question, we`ll probably have a big long pause until your answer,

but it will be well worth the wait. Does it look like there`s $40 million worth of security going on two days out?

KATE WILLIAMS, CNN WORLD COMMENTATOR: Yes, well, in Windsor, it`s absolutely -- you might say organized chaos. There are police everywhere,

as you say. There are snipers. They are plain clothed in ordinary dress. You really can`t move police checks and this is a huge security operation.

Because simply so many of your viewers have been to Windsor, it`s actually a rather sleepy small little town and it is not used to huge security

operations. The queen loves it here, because she drives around, no one stops her, not many guards.

In London we`re used to it, we are used to bomb alerts and security alerts, and a big occasions, the Olympics, the royal wedding in 2011, the Golden

Jubilee. It is different here. And yet even though Windsor is a small town, the absolute -- it`s going to be packed with royals, with the great

and the good, and so it is a really big target. You have the Queen, Prince Phillip, we hope that Prince Charles, Prince Harry, and Prince William.

Everybody is coming and they are all going to be in the same place, along with huge amounts of well-wishers, as you say up trees, on the roofs,

everywhere, it really is a security nightmare for the police and they haven`t had long to prepare. The engagement news came in November and now

here we are. So it is -- behind the scenes work really has been unimaginable. And they are working round the clock to make sure it is a

safe occasion on Saturday.

[18:25:13] BANFIELD: Yes. And that, you know, there`s so many heads of state that also come to these weddings. But this is really different. So

everyone`s really clear, it is very different than the big royal wedding we saw with William and Kate, because that was right in central London. I

mean, that was in the middle of everything. Now we`re off where you are right now, Kate, and we`re in Windsor, which, as you said, is the sleepier

more idyllic place.

Nonetheless, is the atmosphere tamped down in this, you know, nirvana of a location? Because people, I`m guessing, are being told no, you can`t walk

there. No, you can`t park there. And by the way, these big giant things, you know, these are barricades so that we don`t have people driving in and

blowing up, you know, Windsor Castle. Does it feel very un-celebratory like?

WILLIAMS: Well, the police are really trying to strike a balance here. Because they know well-wishers are coming from miles away. There are road

signs saying the royal wedding, you know, a huge radius when you drive out, the trains -- extra trains are being laid on from London and surrounding

areas. Because hundreds of thousands of people are going to be descending on Windsor. They`re already here, they are sleeping in tents on the

streets, because they want to have a prime position. So, the police have a hard balance in between not coming down too hard on all of these well-

wishers, these innocent well-wishers, but looking out within them for the people who are actually going to cause harm.

And there is the additional question that actually, within the Castle grounds, that is very secure, but there now is going to be a lot of people

who are invited to watch the wedding, school children, members of charities are going to be sitting outside of the St. George`s Chapel itself. And so

they also again -- there will be lots of complicated searches. It really is quite -- it really is very difficult, I think, for the police to

organize it.

BANFIELD: Sure, yes.

WILLIAMS: And also particularly for security services who are doing the overall planning as to who a risk is nearby. It is bucolic, it is sleepy

here. And the thing is, unfortunately, it has not been like -- in terms these wild crazy swans and geese you can hear behind me. It`s so country.

(LAUGHTER)

They are all joining in, they got --

BANFIELD: By the way, just so we`re clear, Kate, I literally could listen to you all day, because you have that accent that is just so delightful.

And I am sure, once again I am butchering it completely. But let me just show something if I can, Diane McAnarney is a reporter for Inside Edition

and she did this stand-up, but I just want to it to play for you, it was one of those little moments were reporters on camera in a middle of a

package that they -- but the standup really spoke to me about the little things people are noticing in this, you know, as Kate has just said,

bucolic environment. Take a look at this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The garbage cans have been removed all throughout Windsor. They have been replaced with clear plastic bags so police can

immediately see if there are any bombs inside.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Well, that is disappointing to hear. Bombs inside. Richard Mineards, what is the difference between Kate and William`s wedding, which

reportedly cost somewhere around $8.7 million in security, and then this one, Harry and Meghan`s which is $40 million? Because I`m seeing an open

carriage ride for Kate and William, and I keep hearing that the longer carriage ride for Meghan and Harry is what`s causing all the stir.

RICHARD MINEARDS, COLUMNIST, MONTECITO JOURNAL: Well, this is going to be a wedding of total contrast to William and Kate. You all remember that

William in future is going to be the monarch, and Kate the queen. But I think Harry, I would venture to say that he is much more likable than

Prince William with the British public.

And, of course, St. George`s chapel is the most wonderful locale, it was built in the 14th century by Edward III. And I was last there covering

Prince Edward`s wedding, the queen`s youngest son and Sophie Rhys-Jones and now Queen of Countess of Wessex. And it`s going to be a lot more casual,

600 people, no diplomats, no Presidents, no heads of countries, just good friends. And I think this wedding is going to be the wedding of the

century in many ways.

BANFIELD: No diplomats, really? I thought there might be a few heads of state and diplomats who`d come, but you are saying, really none? Just the

privates and the school kids and the representatives from Harry`s charity, et cetera, no biggies?

MINEARDS: No, not at all. It`s like Princess Diana`s funeral, it`s going to be the people in the street, people who have been involved with Harry`s

charities, a few of Meghan`s relatives, as we all know, has become like a Soap Opera as the Windsor`s turn with Thomas Markle -- it is very quite

extraordinary.

BANFIELD: Why then so much security? That doesn`t make any sense to me, Richard. And again, I could listen to you talk all day because your accent

is so beautiful. But I still don`t get the $40 million in security when it`s supposed to be all sort of contain inside Windsor Castle, and then

there`s just this one open chariot ride. Why $40 million, compared to William and Kate`s wedding?

[18:30:00]

MINEARDS: Well, you`re always going to have a carriage procession with any royal event. They`re going to be -- providing the weather is good, they`re

going to be in an open landau built by Queen Victoria in the 1860s. If the weather is not so good, they`re going to have the Scottish State Coach

which has a roof.

But everybody obviously wants to see the bride and the groom. And obviously with people around, I mean, Windsor is the most charming, charming town as

Kate was saying. But the castle was built in 1066 by William I, and it might obviously repel arrows, but it won`t repel machine guns and bombs.

BANFIELD: Yeah, right.

MINEARDS: So the chapel is the ideal target.

BANFIELD: Here`s what I`m thinking. Tom, I got this 30 seconds left, but I have this feeling that the threat level right now is so different after all

the recent U.K. attacks. There was the London bridge attack in June of 2017, the Ariana Grande attack in May of 2017, and then there was that

horrible car attack at the House of Parliament in March of 2017.

The threat level is at four, which is severe. There`s only one level higher than there, that`s threat level five, which is critical. Tom, do you think

that`s why they are just going all out and doing 40 million in security because the threat level is much higher than it was when William and Kate

were married?

TOM FUENTES, CNN SENIOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Yes, absolutely. And the fact that this is going to get such widespread media coverage, once again,

U.S. cable news, British cable news, worldwide coverage, and that`s the prime targeting for groups like ISIS and other terrorist organizations that

would want the publicity if they can carry off anything.

So that`s what they have to worry about. As far as the cost, the big part of that is logistics of getting all of those police, military, intelligence

officials on site, keeping them on site, feeding them, housing them if necessary, bringing in the barricades, bringing in the equipment that they

need, what you`re seeing, the search of the sewers and sealing the covers of the sewers, all of that costs money and costs a lot of money.

BANFIELD: Yeah.

FUENTES: That`s the reason. It`s a huge target.

BANFIELD: They`re such a nice little pair right there, you know. Talk about stress on your wedding day. Just imagine if you had to deal with all

that crap. And you just wanted to marry the guy you love. And you had all these paparazzi going after your dad.

You know, I really feel for these two. They seem like pretty normal people. The kids, you know, they have the Diana (ph) in them. They seem like normal

kids. I hope they have a normal honeymoon. I doubt that will happen.

Thank you so much, Kate. Thank you, Richard. Tom, thank you as well. And Anne Bremner is going to join me in my next segment.

This one, a perp walk like you`ve just never seen before. An Oklahoma mother accused of stabbing one of her daughters nearly to death and then

looking like this as she is marching to the police station.

And did I mention that that daughter was stabbed upwards up 70 times? Imagine this demeanor knowing that that daughter is fighting to survive

right now. More details in a moment.

[18:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: Tonight in Tulsa, Oklahoma, there is a little 11-year-old girl in a hospital and she`s fighting for her life. And it`s because of what her

own mother allegedly did to her. And the story is worse than you can imagine because tonight we`re learning what happened before that little

girl was duct taped and gagged with a sock and stabbed up to 70 times.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARK KRAFT, CAPTAIN, TULSA POLICE DEPARTMENT: To have a parent stab an 11- year-old little girl over and over and over and over again, to the point of, you don`t know if this little girl is going to live or not, it`s

heinous.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: That wasn`t the end of the night for 39-year-old Taheerah Ahmad seen here, because Taheerah apparently may have confessed -- that`s what

police are saying she did -- to setting the house on fire and leaving the stabbed daughter to die an even more brtual death. And taking her youngest

daughter on the run.

But Taheerah had one other daughter, a 9-year-old daughter, who`d also been bound and gagged, but that 9-year-old got away, somehow escaped before her

mom set fire to the house and somehow made it to a relative`s, where her story sparked an 18-hour manhunt and an amber alert for that 8-year-old. By

the next day, the child was actually spotted in a downtown parking lot.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ANASTASIA BRAZENDEH, WOMAN SPOTTED MISSING GIRL: And I looked at the little girl up close and I looked at Emily (ph). I said, Emily (ph), that`s

that little girl, 100 percent.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So tonight that little girl that was found, she`s safe and so is that 9-year-old who escaped and got help. But that 11-year-old is clinging

to life, stabbed up to 70 times.

And their mother is talking to the police, reportedly admitting to holding her three daughters hostage in that home and depriving them of food and

water for the entire week leading up to mother`s day.

[18:40:00] And as you could see, that incredible perp walk where she smiles through the whole thing.

I want to bring in Travis Guillory, reporter for CNN affiliate KJRH, also defense attorney Anne Bremner is with me, and on the phone is Officer

Jeanne MacKenzie, the public information officer for the Tulsa Police Department.

Travis, first to you, the condition of this 11-year-old girl. The last we heard, she might not make it, she was clinging to life, she was critical.

Is she going to be OK?

TRAVIS GUILLORY, REPORTER, CNN AFFILIATE KJRH: Well, that`s really the question that everyone here in Tulsa and honestly quite frankly around the

country is asking tonight. You know, she is still in very critical condition.

Like we said, you know, stabbed 50 to 70 times for anyone, especially an 11-year-old child, you know, this is an absolutely brutal attack. And so

from what we`re being told from officials that it`s just kind of a day by day thing that we`re watching and hoping and praying for.

BANFIELD: No kidding. And then the pictures we`re seeing of this mother, as she is under arrest and being driven in a cruiser, doesn`t seem to look

too upset, maybe a little uncomfortable in her handcuffs. But when she has marched through this police station, she`s delighted.

GUILLORY: Right.

BANFIELD: She`s smiling and laughing and almost happy that there are cameras watching her. What is that about? What are they saying about this?

GUILLORY: Well, it was quite startling. You know, I`m not sure if she was amused at the fact that there was so much media there. I`m not really sure

what the smiling was about, you know, but it was definitely not the demeanor of a mother who had just confessed minutes before to all the

things, like we said, brutally stabbing her 11-year-old daughter, binding and gagging the other kids, trying to set the house on fire.

Definitely not the demeanor and something that shocked a lot of people that she is smiling, acting like everything was fine like she didn`t quite

understand what was going on or the gravity of what she just confessed to doing.

BANFIELD: I want to ask you about life inside the home before all of this, like, what life was like? What kind of conditions were these kids living

in? What was she like? And as you`re preparing that answer, I also want to play some videotape that we were able to find because this is odd. Very,

very strange.

But there was a killing, a recent killing in that neighborhood. And the local news covered it and actually got Taheerah on camera. She was outraged

about the lack of emotion in the neighborhood to the victim of this killing. And I want to play for you what Taheerah said to the local news

about that other unrelated incident sometime ago. Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TAHEERAH AHMAD, ACCUSED OF STABBING AND SETTING HOUSE ON FIRE: I don`t see crime scene tape. I don`t see flowers. I don`t see teddy bears. I don`t see

anything. And there were two people who were innocently killed here yesterday, and there should be something that says this is not OK.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So Travis, that`s Taheerah seemingly like a caring, you know, neighbor, worried about not enough sympathy for suffering in the

neighborhood. And yet we`re hearing these things happened in her own home. Do you know much about the conditions that those children were living in

prior to this?

GUILLORY: Well, I can tell you, that interview is probably the most ironic piece that we`ve uncovered about this. You know, I`ve spoken to her

landlord who says -- you know, the landlord would actually bring her own children over to this house to play with Ahmad`s children and says she is

the perfect mother.

I`ve spoken to co-workers who said she would go have a drink with them after work. She was kind of the normal person. And she always talked very

positively about her children. She would talk about how much she loved them, how she have to go back home to them.

But what`s interesting about that interview that we got of her, a little less than a year ago, her co-worker said actually whenever that specific

incident happened, he saw a change in her. She became very sad. And so what we`ve kind of seen, though, is this almost deterioration of her stability

over time that a lot of these people are implying.

I`ve spoken to neighbors and they`ve said recently in the past couple of months, they have heard a lot of screaming and shouting from this house.

And so it`s kind of two different kind of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde kind of views that we`re getting. And there`s two very different pictures being

painted of this mother.

BANFIELD: It`s so distressing to see this video, and then to hear what she is now charged with, and what the allegations are. Travis, I know I have to

let you go because you`ve got to go. You`ve got work to do. But I do thank you and our affiliate KJRH for that.

After the break, we`re going to be joined by the public information officer for the Tulsa Police Department. And the big question I have is that video

that you saw of her smiling to the police station, smiling, wearing that white suit is, what on earth is going on with this woman?

[18:45:00] And is that white suit some kind of a protective suit? Is she under suicide watch? Is there something to her mental state we need to know

about? These crimes are horrifying. That`s next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[18:50:00] BANFIELD: We`re still talking about Taheerah Ahmad, the Oklahoma woman who was seen smiling, broadly, after allegedly stabbing her

own 11-year-old girl upwards to 70 times.

Officer Jeanne MacKenzie is the Tulsa Police Department. She joins me now. Officer, could you tell me what was going on in these pictures where we see

Taheerah smiling broadly as though she`s on a pageant runway, not being led through a police station facing assault and battery with deadly weapon,

intent to kill, arson and child neglect? Do you have any insight as to what was going on?

JEANNE MACKENZIE, PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER, TULSA POLICE (via telephone): Honestly, we wish we did know what was going on in her head in that

instance. She, like you said, appears to be smiling, appears to be enjoying the perp walk to the car. We`re not really sure what she was thinking when

she was doing that.

BANFIELD: It is just so astounding to see demeanor like this when there is such carnage left in her wake. If what she did, if what she`s alleged to

have done is true, can you describe for me at all what responding officers saw inside that home when they got there?

MACKENZIE (via telephone): Well, when officers responded, they were told they had an 11-year-old in critical condition. They went into a bedroom

where the 11-year-old was laying. She had so many stab wounds. Officers and EMS couldn`t even count the amount of injuries she had. And there was blood

everywhere. It was like a horror scene.

BANFIELD: She was found in the bedroom, and yet the fire was started in the kitchen but didn`t get far. Correct?

MACKENZIE (via telephone): That`s correct. The neighbor that the 9-year- old went and got for help was able to put the fire out before it spread from the kitchen.

BANFIELD: Also, officer, do you know about the story of this pickaxe? We`re told that she was stabbed upwards of 70 times, but she was also

bludgeoned in the head with a pickaxe, this 11-year-old girl, was she stabbed with the pickaxe as well or was there another weapon?

MACKENZIE (via telephone): When the mother was interviewed by detectives, she admitted that she had a knife and a pickaxe and that she stabbed the

11-year-old 50 to 70 times and that she hit her in the head several times with that pickaxe.

BANFIELD: What is the white jumpsuit about, officer, is she on suicide watch and is she wearing the white jumpsuit for any other reason that

that`s standard operating procedure?

MACKENZIE (via telephone): No. We collected her clothing as evidence. So the white jumpsuit was what she wore to booking from the detective

division.

BANFIELD: Is she on any kind of suicide watch? She appears to me to be excruciatingly mentally unstable. Is that the case?

MACKENZIE (via telephone): You know, we`re not sure. We`re still investigating, talking to family, talking to neighbors, trying to figure

out if this is some kind of mental episode or if it`s drug or alcohol induced.

BANFIELD: Yeah.

MACKENZIE (via telephone): I`m not sure if she`s actually on any kind of suicide watch or not.

BANFIELD: Do you have any further update on the little girl, on the 11- year-old, if she`s close to passing or if she`s going to make it?

MACKENZIE (via telephone): She`s extremely critical. Doctors are saying that her condition is going to be day to day to determine whether or not

she`s going to make it or not.

BANFIELD: Anne Bremner, if she doesn`t make it, if that child dies, Oklahoma has the death penalty and this will -- I mean, it`s fair to say

this will become a first-degree murder.

ANNE BREMNER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Absolutely. She will be facing the death penalty under any state that has death penalty on the heinousness and the

age of the child. It`s vile, it`s violent, and it`s vexing.

One thing to look at is mental health, of course. We see that in the Holmes case and with Andrea Yates and Susan Smith and other women who have killed

their kids. The women are basically diagnosed and the men are demonized.

BANFIELD: Strangely enough that video may help her case.

BREMNER: That`s what I was thinking. The smiling and like queen for a day or something.

BANFIELD: I`m going to ask you to stick around. My thanks to Jeanne MacKenzie and also to Travis Guillory.

If you have ever been on an interstate, you know to be ready for anything and everything, right? But light poles coming out like javelins, because

this guy is riding the rails. Seriously. Take a look. I`m going to tell you what was going on here next.

[18:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: One more thing for you tonight. If you think distracted drivers are the biggest road hazard that you got to worry about out there, you

better be glad that you weren`t on Interstate 43 in Milwaukee yesterday or rather on Friday.

Check out this pickup truck, running into the concrete divider, and then just riding the rail, taking out all those light standards, sending steel

and glass flying, and the drivers on the other side of the interstate had to act pretty darn fast to avoid slamming into the falling debris, javelin

like, or even the other drivers that they were, you know, getting real close to as they were avoiding the mess.

Here`s what`s astounding, nobody was seriously hurt.

[18:59:59] And here`s what`s not astounding, the driver of that red pickup was arrested. Made for some amazing video though.

Next hour of "Crime and Justice" starts right now.

[19:00:00] ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HLN HOST: Next hour of CRIME & JUSTICE starts right now.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD (voice-over): A pro-golfer on the PGA tour has a bad round at a big tournament, and police say his wife got her claws out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My wife has gone crazy.

BANFIELD: So why was the wife the one who called the cops?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is telling lies. None of it is true.

BANFIELD: Casting the blame on the golfer`s mom.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have been attacked by my mother-in-law. She has locked herself in the room, and she attacked us.

BANFIELD: Is the golfer now changing his story now that his wife has been arrested?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well (INAUDIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don`t know if this girl`s going to live or not. It`s just heinous.

BANFIELD: An 11-year-old girl clinging to life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Devastating, heartbreaking.

BANFIELD: After her mom allegedly stabs her up to 70 times.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was stabbed so many times that officers on scene couldn`t even count them.

BANFIELD: Tonight, that smiling mom is behind bars.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was mother`s day.

BANFIELD: And we`re beginning to see why she may have gone off on those daughters.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Duct taped their hands, put socks in their mouths, the kitchen was on fire.

BANFIELD: And just how long she may have held them captive.

The checklist is all set for Saturday.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can I say yes now?

BANFIELD: The dress, the chapel, and dozens of snipers.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s a pragmatic approach and we will balance the resources required to make sure it`s a safe and happy time for everyone.

BANFIELD: How the royal wedding is a royal pain in the castle.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Guns and firearms.

BANFIELD: See the massive security ops to keep the couple`s day crime free.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We need to clear them, yes, to make sure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Make sure that any criminal activity free so that everyone can enjoy the day.

BANFIELD: We`ll take you behind the scenes at Windsor castle.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They`ll be looking at the dress rather than us.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

Good evening, everyone, I`m Ashleigh Banfield. Thanks for being with us on our second hour of CRIME & JUSTICE.

Athletes are known for a few things apart from the way they play, like big houses and big budgets. And for a lot of the guys, a disproportionate

number of stunning wives and girlfriends seen on camera usually on the sidelines.

But athletes don`t always score on the field. And they don`t always score with their life partners either. Take, for instance, PGA golfer Lucas

Glover, winner of the 2009 U.S. open. We are starting to see that lady on the left, his wife Christa, in a whole new light. She`s the mother of

their two kids. Two kids who were in the home along with Lucas` mom when police arrived saying that Krista attacked her husband, the golfer. A

response that could be par for the course every time Lucas doesn`t play well if you believe what Lucas said to the cops.

Police say Lucas`s mom tried to step in before Krista then attacked her as well, giving her huge cuts on both of her arms, and then calling 911.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 911. What is your emergency?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have been attacked by my mother-in-law.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You said you were attacked by your mother?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, my mother-in-law, she`s --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is she still there?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s locked herself into the room, and she attacked us.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How did she attack you?

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: OK. So Krista leaves the telephone without giving an explanation. That operator wants one. She wants an explanation, and she

goes ahead and calls the number back. This times the not Krista who answers, it is Lucas who answers.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hello?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, it`s the St. John`s county sheriff`s office.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, hi. We have got our wires crossed here. This is the sane one of the bunch.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Can you tell me what`s going on there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, my wife, who called you, attacked my mom and now she`s trying to blame it on my mother, which is not the case at all. My

mother`s the one bleeding. And my wife has gone crazy. So --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Does she need fire and rescue to come out there and look at her?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. I don`t think anybody needs to come out here, thank you, though.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Well, we still got deputies coming out there just to make sure everything is OK there. Can I talk to your wife real

quick?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, you cannot. She is in the house with my daughter, and when the deputies get here, they need to talk to the male, that would

be me because these other two are out of their head at the moment.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. But she dialed 911. So I need to speak with her to find out what`s happening from her side.

[19:05:02] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, she is going to lie to you. That`s what I am telling you. That`s why I answered her phone. She is telling

lies. But I`ll let you talk to her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi. Is this the person I was talking to originally?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. We are not having a great (INAUDIBLE) tonight, unfortunately.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have deputies on their way out there. Can I get your name?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know. Do you need help or not?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have got deputies coming out there already, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is your name?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, we are going to go.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can I get your name, ma`am?

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: What`s your name? Yes, we`re going to go. That`s curious.

Police say when they got to the house, Krista met them in the road. She reportedly insisted everything was fine. But that`s when the police saw

that mother-in-law and her arms covered in blood. And that`s when Lucas reportedly said to them, Lucas is the golfer, that Krista lays into him

every time he plays poorly. Yelling at him in front of their kids, calling him a loser and calling him the "P" word.

What`s weird, though, is that police say Lucas changed his story a little later on saying this was simply an argument between his wife and his mom.

It might have been because Krista is now actually facing serious charges for both battery and resisting an officer. Because police say she was not

too happy when they tried to handcuff her on Saturday night. That she threatened to have the officers fired, saying quote "this is why cops get

shot in the face."

That`s just a little part of what this young woman reportedly said to the police officers while she was being ferried away in a cruiser. I`m going

to give you the rest of what she said to them, and it`s not any nicer in just a moment.

Joining me now, Christine Brennan, CNN sports analyst and "USA Today" sports columnist, also defense attorney Anne Bremner is with me.

Christine Brenan, first to you. This is extremely disturbing. Take me back to Sunday. It was the PGA tour game. It was the tournament, players

championship. Right? What happened?

CHRISTINE BRENNAN, CNN SPORTS ANALYST: Yes, that`s correct. The tournament players championship, Ashleigh, is called the fifth major. It`s

a very big deal. And what that means is, of course, there`s four majors in the year, and this is the one the pros really want to win. And Lucas

Glover had a bad day. And golfers have bad days. These are things that happen. You can play great one day and then the next day it doesn`t go so

well.

And there`s a lot of pressure. And I think because it`s such an important tournament, and it`s such a prestigious event, you add the pressure. As

you have accurately described, it`s not just the golfer. Of course, there`s a caddie, there could be spouse, there could be children, there

could be in-laws. You see it all the time. Right, a golfer wins a tournament, and obviously on the men`s tour, the wife can come running out.

On the women`s tour, the husband can come running out. And there`s quite a scene and there`s champagne. And all of this is under the surface

bubbling, bubbling, bubbling.

The pressure is enormous because unlike almost any other sport where there`s guaranteed contracts or at least a contract where you have for

football and baseball or whatever, in golf, it`s all up to that golfer to make every dime or else they go home, if you miss the cut, you have nothing

and you go onto the next week.

BANFIELD: What was the payout on Sunday`s tournament?

BRENNAN: Off the top of my head, I don`t know, millions, millions of dollars. You get at least a million for winning. And I have to -- I

should look that up. But this is one of the most lucrative tournaments. And so yes, the money on the line is extraordinary.

BANFIELD: My husband is a golf fanatic. So it`s always on in the house. And I can`t tell you I know I know all the players, but I know a lot of

them. I just didn`t know Lucas Glover. And we had our staff look into his earnings since 2001. This won`t come as a surprise to you, Christine, but

it might come as a surprise to our viewers. Since 2001, he has earned $20,121,581. In 17 years he has pulled in over $20 million. That is not

chump change.

But, is it champ change to those guys (INAUDIBLE)?

BRENNAN: Well, and I was going to say no one has ever heard of him, right? His biggest victory was out of the blue, 2009. He won the U.S. open golf

tournament. That`s the national championship, a very big deal and I was covering it, I remember thinking, wait a minute, Lucas Glover is coming out

of the blue to win this thing. It happened over a couple of days.

It was an extraordinary victory for him and it was a career altering victory. Because once you are a U.S. open champ, I mean, you have got that

forever. Your name`s on the trophy. And so he`s shown he can play great golf. He has won two other tournaments on the PGA tour.

Journeyman isn`t quite right because when you run a major championship, you never going to really be journeyman. But he is certainly not Tiger Woods.

He is not Phil McElson. He is not Rory McIlroy. He is Jordan Spieth. He`s 38 years old. So while there is plenty of time left, I don`t think

that he is going to become so he won`t ever be a big name ever in golf.

And of course, what this means, Ashleigh, is that now everyone who has never heard of him, has heard of him. He is now entering the culture in a

way no one would want by being known for this because of the golf itself doesn`t counter balance his golf resume doesn`t counterbalance this.

[19:10:22] BANFIELD: I need -- I have to read three things in a row because I think they all help to make a little bit more sense of what I

find to be astounding. The first thing I`m going to read is the statements that Krista reportedly said to the police while she was -- if you believe

the police, they said she was impossible to get into the car. She slipped out of her cuffs. She kicked and -- she damaged the inside of the cruiser

by trying to kick at the bars in the cop cruiser. And this is what is in their police report about what Krista said to them as she was being ferried

off to the police station.

Wait until the tour hears about this. You will lose your job. This is why cops get shot in the face. Wait till I talk with the judge. You will be

f-ing fired over this.

So Lucas, obviously, I think you and I well know the scrutiny is big, even if you`re a guy named Lucas Glover who I don`t know, put out a statement,

real polished. This is what he said.

On May 12th, my wife and mother were involved in an argument to which the police were called. Everyone is fine. Regrettably, although Krista was

charged, we are comfortable that the judicial system is able to address what actually happened and Krista will be cleared in this private matter.

I`m going to dig into that little nugget in a moment. Sorry, domestic violence is not private. If anybody thinks domestic violence is private,

it is not private. It`s not private, it isn`t. It is a sin. It is a scourge of the community. We have police and we have laws because of it.

So before I go any further, Christine, I`m going to now read for you what Krista Glover sent to us. And it just got this in my hand. Krista has

also put out her own statement.

She says, my family has been working through this very personal matter. Lucas and I appreciate the support of friends, PGA tour, and so many others

and all have found the ability to respect our private lives. Everyone in the family looks forward to returning to a normal, happy existence. Lucas

and I are confident we can put this behind us soon.

Anne Bremner, this is not private. Domestic violence is not private. You don`t get the privilege to say nothing to see here, folks, it`s just our

business. It is not private.

ANNE BREMNER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It is not private. It`s like deja vu all over again because we used to hear these domestic violence cases 30 years

ago when we deal with women as victims most of the time and they are private.

BANFIELD: They all stop talking, right? They also-- hey, everything`s fine.

BREMNER: And now we are seeing the exact opposite in this case, it`s private. We`re fine.

BANFIELD: Nothing to see here.

BREMNER: We are happy and let`s just move along. Nothing to see.

BANFIELD: Yes. So here`s what I want to ask. Lucas changed his story once the cuffs came out, once the cuffs were slapped on Krista. He started

to thing, hold on. I only got hurt because I was breaking in on my mother and my wife. But that`s not what he said prior. He said, you know, that

the mother tried to break in on the wife who was coming at him while he was relaxing on the porch and had done this a lot in the past. Every time he

loses, she lays into me and enough is enough I`ve got to put a stop to this. So the story changed once he saw that referees didn`t show up, cops

did and cuffs came out.

BREMNER: Referee not a cop, like you said. Right.

BANFIELD: And he then apparently refused to sign an affidavit, the mother- in-law refused to sign an affidavit, and you`re right, this is oftentimes the woman`s story. I`m not going to report. I`m not going to cooperate

with the police. I don`t want any of this to be, you know, a criminal matter anymore. And then they have to drop the charges. She, though, may

not have that luxury. Resisting the officer doesn`t require Lucas or the mother.

BREMNER: Except that she is going to come and say I called the police first. I called 911.

BANFIELD: Yes. But when you kick the hell out of a cruiser and you argue and fight and kicking and screaming, put your feet up against the cruiser

and two officers have to get you in there.

BREMNER: It`s inexcusable.

BANFIELD: (INAUDIBLE) whether Lucas or the mom wants to talk.

BREMNER: That`s right. And it`s contempt of cop at a minimum. But it is going to a criminal charge. I mean, that she can`t get rid of. But the

family can`t get rid of any of this. And it is like the more you explain it, the less we understand it. Like what does the mom say? What does he

say? What does she say? May have a shifting stories and everything else. I mean, all just like is private. It`s just a family matter. And we used

to always call these just family matters.

BANFIELD: It`s not. It`s not.

BREMNER: It`s not.

BANFIELD: It`s not. It`s not.

BREMNER: It`s not.

BANFIELD: The fact, the apple, in all of this, is that domestic violence is not your personal business. It is not your personal business. It is

why we have laws. It is why police respond. It`s why people get arrested, charged and jailed. It is a community issue. It`s all of our problem. It

is not just the alleged problem of the --

BREMNER: It`s a crime. It`s criminal.

BANFIELD: Yes. Because murder is also not a private business.

BREMNER: Exactly.

BANFIELD: That`s a community issue.

BREMNER: Well said.

BANFIELD: Even if it doesn`t affect people four blocks away.

[19:15:01] BREMNER: Just in our house.

BANFIELD: Yes.

Christine, you will have come back and let me know how this plays out. I`m not so sure the PGA tour is respecting this private life. I don`t think

they would be the least bit happy. Am I out of time or not? I have got 15 seconds left. Is he going to survive this, Christine?

BRENNAN: Well, he will be known for this now more than the U.S. open victory. And you are right, I mean, we talk about men committing domestic

violence. We should not be laughing when it`s women. We should treat this equally, absolutely correct.

BANFIELD: Equally.

BREMNER: Equally, right.

BANFIELD: Thank you for that.

Ladies, thank you so much. Christine, as always, I so appreciate it. Anne, as always, I appreciate it.

London is on lockdown, folks, Windsor castle is getting ready for this, the royal onslaught of onlookers, well-wishers. And by the way, the people who

may not wish them well.

Wow. Wait until you hear about the amount of money being spent on security.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:20:37] BANFIELD: Tonight we are on wedding countdown. I don`t know if you got them anything, but we are t-minus two-and-a-half days until the big

wedding. The whole world is going to be tuning in to watch the UK`s prince Harry and American actress Meghan Markle tie the knot becoming the world`s

newest power couple.

And a royal wedding is always a big, big deal with hundreds of spectators, thousands really, thousands of spectators spilling into the streets and

climbing up trees and lamp posts to try to catch a glimpse of the happy couple or has some had hoped, maybe catch a glimpse of the father of the

bride. Because there has really never been a royal wedding more ripe with American style drama, fueled by the paparazzi on both sides of the pond.

Father of the bride, Thomas Markle, seen here, skewered by the press for staging his own paparazzi pictures. Everybody said that he was trying to

get money out of it. Reportedly then having a heart attack, and allegedly still wanting to attend the wedding, but then getting so sick that he might

have been in surgery. It`s all an open-ended question. Just so much drama.

But all of that dad-related stuff is really nothing compared to the multimillion dollar security measures that are going into making sure this

big day goes off without a big disaster. So there are bomb-sniffing dogs all over the place. And there are snipers being positioned in all those

high spots. See how many there are, all over the place? Not to mention police officers who are checking all the muck and filth underneath the

manholes for anything dangerous.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We just basically look into the drains to make sure there is no sort of anything untoward hidden on them. Obviously, anything

like this is going to be a potential void, so IDE`s and other explosive, stuff like that could be planned in there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So you`re going through every drain in Windsor?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We need to clear them, yes, to make sure.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: I love those accents, right? So all of this, everything you are seeing, means that this wedding is apparently going to cost somewhere

upwards of $43 million. And that`s because 40 million is going to be just on security alone. But if you ask the local police they say it is well

worth the preparation.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s a robust policing plan in place with a variety of measures, some of which you can see, and others which you can`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At the end of the day there`s a royal wedding where two people have fallen in love and we should have a happy day.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: They fall in love they should have a happy day. I just love that.

With me now CNN royal commentator Kate Williams, who is laughing at my horrible accent. And she is in Windsor, so we are going to get a check in

there. Also Royals expert Richard Mineards. And Tom Fuentes is still with me who is great at security.

I think we have a little bit of a time delay.

So Kate, I`m going to ask you this question, we will probably have a big long pause until your answer, but it will be well worth the wait. Does it

look like there`s $40 million worth of security going on two days out?

KATE WILLIAMS, CNN ROYAL COMMENTATOR: Yes, well, in Windsor, it`s absolutely -- you might say organized chaos. There are police everywhere,

as you say. There are snipers. They are plain clothed. Ordinary dress. You really can`t move police checks.

And this is a huge security operation. Because simply so many of your viewers have been to Windsor. It`s actually a rather sleepy small little

town and it is not used to huge security operations. The queen loves it here because she drives around, no one stops her, not many guards. In

London we`re used to it, used to bomb alerts and security alerts, big occasions, the Olympics, the royal wedding in 2011, the golden jubilee.

It is different here. And yet even though Windsor is a small town, the absolute, it`s going to be packed with royals, with the great and the good,

and so it is a really big target. You have the queen, Prince Philip, Prince Charles, Prince Harry, Prince William. Everybody is coming and they

are all going to be in the same place, along with huge amounts of well- wishers. As you say up trees, on the roofs, everywhere.

It realty is a security nightmare for the police. And they haven`t had long to prepare. The engagement news came in November and now here we are.

So behind the scenes work really has been unimaginable. And they are working round the clock to make sure it is a safe occasion on Saturday.

[19:25:03] BANFIELD: Yes. And that you know, there`s so many heads of state that also come to these weddings. But this is really different. So

everyone`s really clear, it is very different than the big royal wedding we saw with William and Kate because that was right in central London. And

you know, that was in the middle of everything. Now we are off where you are right now, Kate. And we are in Windsor, which, as you said, is the

sleepier more idyllic place.

Nonetheless, is the atmosphere tamped down in this, you know, nirvana of a location? People, I`m guessing, are being told no, you can`t walk there.

No, you can`t park there. And by the way, these big giant things, you know, these are barricades so that we don`t have people driving in and

blowing up, you know, Windsor castle. Does it feel very un-celebratory like?

WILLIAMS: Well, the police are really trying to strike a balance here because they know well-wishers are coming from miles away. There are road

signs saying the royal wedding, you know, a huge radius when you drive out, extra trains are being laid on from London and surrounding areas. Hundreds

of thousands of people are going to be descending on Windsor.

They are already here. They are sleeping in tents on the streets because they want to have a prime position. So the police have a hard balance in

between not coming down too hard on the well-wishers, these innocent well- wishers, but looking out within them for the people who are actually going to cause harm.

And there is the additional question that actually, within the castle grounds, that is very secure, but there now is going to be a lot of people

who are invited to watch the wedding, school children, members of charities are going to be sitting outside of the St. George`s chapel itself. And so,

there`s lots of complicated searches.

It is quite -- very difficult, I think, for the police to organize it. And also particularly for security services who are doing the overall planning

as to who a risk is nearby. It is bucolic. It is sleepy here. And the thing is, unfortunately, it has not been like -- in terms these wild crazy

swans and geese you can hear behind me. It`s so country.

BANFIELD: I love it.

By the way, just so we are clear, Kate, I literally could listen to you all day because you have that accent that`s just so delightful. And I`m sure

once again I am butchering it completely.

But let me just show something if I can. Diane Mcinerney is reporter for Inside Edition. And he did this stand-up. But I just want to play for

you, some of those little moments where a reporter is on camera in the middle of a package that they caught you. But the stand-up that really

spoke to me about the little things that people are noticing in this, as you know, as Kate just said, bucolic environment. Take a look at this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DIANE MCINERNEY, REPORTER, INSIDE EDITION: The garbage cans have been removed all throughout Windsor. They have been replaced with clear plastic

bags so police can immediately see if there are any bombs inside.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Well, that`s disappointing to hear. Bombs inside.

Richard Mineards, what is the difference between Kate and William`s wedding, which reportedly cost somewhere around $8.7 million in security,

and then this one, Harry and Meghan`s which is $40 million? Because I`m seeing an open carriage ride for Kate and William. And I keep hearing that

the longer carriage ride for Meghan and Harry is what`s causing all the stir.

RICHARD MINEARDS, ROYAL EXPERT: Well, this is going to be a wedding of total contrast to William and Kate. You probably remember that William in

future is going to be the monarch, and Kate the queen. But I think Harry, I would venture to say he is much more likable than Prince William with the

British public. And, of course, St. George`s chapel is the most wonderful locale, built in the 14th century by Edward III. And I was last there

covering prince Edward`s wedding, the queen`s youngest son (INAUDIBLE). And it`s going to be a lot more casual, 600 people, no diplomats, no

presidents, no heads of countries, just good friends. And I think this wedding is going to be the wedding of the century in many ways.

BANFIELD: No diplomats, really? I thought there might be a few heads of state and diplomats who would come. But you are saying really none? Just

the privates and the school kids and the representatives from Harry`s charity, et cetera, no biggies?

MINEARDS: No, not at all. It`s like Princess Diana`s funeral, it`s going to be the people in the street, people who have been involved with Harry`s

charities, a few of Meghan`s relatives, as we all know, the soap opera "as the Windsor`s turn" with Thomas Markle.

BANFIELD: Why then so much security? That doesn`t make any sense to me, Richard. And again, I could listen to you talk all day because your accent

is so beautiful. But I still don`t get the $40 million in security when it`s supposed to be all sort of contained inside Windsor castle, and then

there`s just this one open chariot ride. Why 40 million compared to William and Kate with $8.7 million?

MINEARDS: Well, you are always going to have a procession with any royal event. They are going to be providing the weather is good. They are going

to be in a landau built by Queen Victoria in the 1860s. If the weather is not so good, they are going to have the Scottish state coach which has a

roof.

[19:30:04] But everybody, obviously, wants to see the bride and the groom. And, obviously, with people around, I mean, Windsor is the most charming,

charming town as Kate was saying. But the castle was built in 1066 by William I, and it might obviously repel (INAUDIBLE), but it would repel

machine guns and bombs.

ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HLN HOST: Yes. Right, right.

MINEARDS: So, you cannot be too careful. It`s the ideal target.

BANFIELD: So, here`s what I`m thinking, and Tom, I`ve got just 30 seconds left but I have this feeling that the threat level right now is so

different after all the recent U.K. attacks. There was a London Bridge attack in June of 2017, the Ariana Grande attack in May of 2017, and then,

there was that horrible car attack at the House of Parliament in March of 2017, and the threat level is at 4, which is severe. There`s only one

level higher than there. That`s threat level 5, which is critical.

Tom, do you think that`s why they are just going all out and doing 40 million in security because the threat level is much higher than it was

when William and Kate were married?

TOM FUENTES, CNN SENIOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST (via Skype): Yes, absolutely, and the fact that this is going to get such widespread media

coverage. Once again, U.S. cable news, British cable news, there`ll be worldwide coverage, and that`s the prime targeting for groups like ISIS and

other terrorist organizations that would want the publicity if they can carry off anything. So, that`s what they have to worry about. As far as

the cost, the big part of that is logistics of getting all of those police, military, intelligence officials on site, keeping them on site, feeding

them, housing them, if necessary, bringing in the barricades, bringing in the equipment that they need. What you`re seeing, the search of the sewers

and sealing the covers of the sewers, all of that costs money and it`s cost a lot of money.

BANFIELD: Yes.

FUENTES: So, that`s the reason. It`s a huge target.

BANFIELD: Bummer. You know, they`re just such a nice little pair right there, you know. Talk about stress on your wedding day, just imagine if

you had to deal with all that crap. And you just wanted to marry the guy you love, and you`ve got all these paparazzi going after your dad. And,

you know, I really feel for these two. They seem like pretty normal people, they`re good kids, you know, they have the Diana in them. They

seem like normal kids and they -- I hope they have a normal honeymoon. I doubt that will happen.

Thank you so much, Kate. Thank you, Richard. Tom, thank you as well.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you.

BANFIELD: And Anne Bremner is going to join us in my -- in my next segment.

This one, a perp walk like you`ve just never seen before, an Oklahoma mother accused of stabbing one of her daughters nearly to death, and then,

looking like this as she`s marched through the police station. And did I mention that that daughter was stabbed upwards of 70 times. Imagine this

demeanor knowing that that daughter is fighting to survive right now. More details in a moment.

[19:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: Tonight in Tulsa, Oklahoma, there is a little 11-year-old girl in a hospital and she`s fighting for her life. And it`s because of what

her own mother allegedly did to her. And the story is worse than you can imagine because tonight we`re learning what happened before that little

girl was duct-taped and gagged with a sock and stabbed up to 70 times.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CPL. MARK KRAFT, TULSA POLICE DEPARTMENT: To have a parent stab an 11- year-old little girl over and over and over and over again to the point of you don`t know if this girl is going to live or not. It`s just -- it`s

heinous.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: And that wasn`t the end of the night for 39-year-old Taheerah Ahmad seen here, because Taheerah, apparently, may have confessed, that`s

what police are saying she did, to setting the house on fire and leaving that stabbed daughter to die an even more brutal death, and taking her

youngest daughter on the run. But Taheerah had one other daughter, a 9- year-old daughter, who`d also been bound and gagged, but that 9-year-old got away, somehow escaped before her mom set fire to the house and somehow

made it to a relative`s where her story sparked an 18-hour manhunt and an amber alert for that 8-year-old. By the next day, the child was actually

spotted in a downtown parking lot.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ANASTASIA BRAZENDEH, WOMAN SPOTTED MISSING GIRL: And I looked at the little girl up close and I looked at Emily and I said, Emily, that`s that

little girl, 100 percent.

EMILY WILSON, WOMAN SPOTTED MISSING GIRL: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So, tonight, that little girl, that was found, she`s safe and so is that 9-year-old who escaped and got help. But that 11-year-old is

clinging to life, stabbed up to 70 times. And their mother is talking to the police, reportedly admitting to holding her three daughters hostage in

that home and depriving them of food and water for the entire week leading up to Mother`s Day. And as you could see that incredible perp walk where

she smiles through the whole thing.

[19:39:56] I want to bring in Travis Guillory, reporter for CNN affiliate KJRH, also, Defense Attorney Anne Bremner is with me, and on the phone,

Officer Jeanne MacKenzie, the public information officer for the Tulsa Police Department. Travis, first to you, the condition of this 11-year-old

girl, the last we heard, she might not make it, she was clinging to life, she was critical, is she going to be OK?

TRAVIS GUILLORY, REPORTER, CNN AFFILIATE KJRH: Well, yes, that`s really the question that everyone here in Tulsa, and honestly, quite frankly

around the country is asking tonight. You know, she is still in very critical condition. Like we said, you know, stabbed, you know, 50 to 70

times. For anyone, especially an 11-year-old child, you know, this is an absolutely brutal attack. And so, from what we`re being told from

officials that it`s just kind of a day by day thing that we`re watching and hoping and praying for.

BANFIELD: God, no kidding. And then, the pictures we`re seeing of this mother as she`s under arrest and being driven in the cruiser, doesn`t seem

to look too upset, maybe a little uncomfortable in her handcuffs, but when she`s marched through this police station, she`s delighted.

GUILLORY: Right.

BANFIELD: She`s smiling and laughing and almost happy that there are cameras watching her.

GUILLORY: Yes.

BANFIELD: What is that about? What are they saying about this?

GUILLORY: Well, it was quite startling, you know, I`m not sure if she was amused at the fact that there was, you know, so much media there. The --

I`m not really sure what the smiling was about, you know, but it was definitely not the demeanor of a mother who had just confessed minutes

before to all the things, like we said, brutally, you know, stabbing her 11-year-old daughter, you know, binding and gagging the other kids, trying

to set the house on fire. Definitely not the demeanor, and it was something that shocked a lot of people that she just kind of walked out,

you know, smiling, acting like everything was fine. Like she didn`t quite understand what was going on or the gravity of what she just confessed to

doing.

BANFIELD: So, Travis, I want to ask you about life inside the home before all of this. Like what life was like, what kind of conditions were these

kids living in, what was she like? And as you`re preparing that answer, I also want to play some videotape that we were able to find because this is

odd, very, very strange. But there was a killing, a recent killing in that neighborhood, and the local news covered it and actually got Taheerah on

camera. She was outraged about the lack of emotion in the neighborhood to the victim of this killing. And I want to play for you what Taheerah said

to the local news about that other unrelated incident some time ago. Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TAHEERAH AHMAD, DEFENDANT: I don`t see crime scene tape. I don`t see flowers. I don`t see teddy bears. I don`t see anything. And there were

two people who were innocently killed here yesterday, and there should be something that says this is not OK.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So, Travis, that`s Taheerah seemingly like a caring, you know, neighbor, worried about not enough sympathy for suffering in the

neighborhood. And yet, we`re hearing these things happened in her own home. Do you know much about the conditions that those children were

living in prior to this?

GUILLORY: Well, I can tell you, that interview is probably the most ironic piece that we`ve uncovered about this. You know, I`ve spoken to her

landlord who says, you know, the landlord would actually bring her own children over to this house to play with Ahmad`s children. You know, and

says, the perfect mother. I`ve spoken to co-workers who said, you know, she would, you know, go have a drink with them after work. She was kind of

the normal person and she always talked very positively about her children and they would talk about how much she loved them, how she have to go back

home to them. But what`s interesting about that interview that we got of her, a little less than a year ago, her co-worker said actually whenever

that specific incident happened, he saw a change in her. She became very sad. And so, what we`ve kind of seen, though, is this almost deterioration

of her stability over time that a lot of these people are implying, and I`ve spoken to neighbors and they said, you know, recently, in the past

couple of months, they`ve heard a lot of screaming and shouting from this house. And so, it`s kind of two different kind of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde

kind of views that we`re getting. And there`s two very different pictures being painted of this mother.

BANFIELD: It`s so distressing to see this video, and then, to hear what she is now charged with, and what the allegations are. Travis, I know I

have to let you go because you`ve got to go. You`ve got -- you`ve got work to do, but I do thank you and our affiliate KJRH for that. But after the

break, we`re going to be joined by the public information officer for the Tulsa Police Department. And the big question I have is that video that

you saw of her smiling through the police station, smiling, wearing that white suit, is what on earth is going on with this woman? And is that

white suit some kind of a protective suit? Is she under suicide watch? Is there something to her mental state that we need to know about because

these crimes are horrifying? That`s next.

[19:45:05] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: We`re still talking about Taheerah Ahmad, that Oklahoma woman who was seen smiling broadly after allegedly stabbing her own 11-year-old

girl upwards of 70 times. Officer Jeanne MacKenzie is with the Tulsa Police Department, she joins me now.

[19:50:08] Officer, could you tell me what was going on in these pictures where we see Taheerah smiling broadly as though she`s on a pageant runway,

not being led through a police station facing assault and battery with deadly weapon, intent to kill, arson, and child neglect. Do you have any

insight as to what was going on?

JEANNE MACKENZIE, PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER, TULSA POLICE DEPARTMENT (via telephone): Honestly, we wish (AUDIO GAP) on in her head in that instance.

She, like you said, appears to be smiling, appears to be enjoying the perp walk to the car. We`re not really sure what she was thinking when she was

doing that.

BANFIELD: It is just so astounding to see demeanor like this when there is such carnage left in her wake. If what she did, if what she`s alleged to

have done is true, can you describe for me at all what responding officers saw inside that home when they got there?

MACKENZIE: Well, when officers responded, they were told they had an 11- year-old in critical condition. They went into a bedroom where the 11- year-old was laying. She had so many stab wounds. Officers and EMS couldn`t even count the amount of injuries she had. And there was blood

everywhere. It was like a horror scene.

BANFIELD: She was found in the bedroom, and yet, the fire was started in the kitchen but didn`t get far, correct?

MACKENZIE: That`s correct. The neighbors that the 9-year-old went and got for help was able to put that fire out before it spread from the kitchen.

BANFIELD: Also, officer, do you know about the story of this pickaxe? Because we`re told that she was stabbed upwards of 70 times but she was

also bludgeoned in the head with a pickaxe, this 11-year-old girl. Was she stabbed with a pickaxe as well or was there another weapon?

MACKENZIE: When she was -- the mother was interviewed by detectives, she admitted that she had a knife and a pickaxe and that she stabbed the 11-

year-old 50 to 70 times, and that she hit her in the head several times with that pickaxe.

BANFIELD: What is the white jump suit about, officer? Is she on suicide watch and is she wearing a white jump suit for any other reason than that`s

standard operating procedure?

MACKENZIE: No, we collected her clothing as evidence, so, the white jump suit was what she wore to booking from the detective division.

BANFIELD: Is she on any kind of suicide watch? Is she -- is she mentally -- I mean, she appears to me to be excruciatingly mentally unstable. But

is that the case?

MACKENZIE: You know, we`re not sure. We`re still investigating, talking to family, talking to neighbors, trying to figure out if this is some kind

of mental episode or if it`s drug or alcohol abuse.

BANFIELD: Yes.

MACKENZIE: And I`m not sure if she`s actually on any kind of suicide watch or not.

BANFIELD: Do you have any further update on the little girl, on the 11- year-old if she`s close to passing or if she`s going to make it?

MACKENZIE: She`s extremely critical. Doctors are saying that her condition is going to be day to day to determine whether or not she`s going

to make it or not.

BANFIELD: Anne Bremner, if she doesn`t make it, if that child dies, Oklahoma has the death penalty, and this will -- I mean, it`s fair to say,

this would become a first-degree murder.

ANNE BREMNER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, absolutely, and she`d be facing the death penalty under any state that has the death penalty under any state it

has a death penalty and the heinousness and the age of the child. I mean, this is vile, it`s violent, but it`s vexing. And one thing to look at is

her mental health, of course. We see that with (INAUDIBLE) case, and although we (INAUDIBLE) Andrea Yates and Susan Smith and other women that

killed their kids. The women are basically -- they are diagnosed and the men are demonized.

BANFIELD: Strange enough, that video may help her case.

(CROSSTALK)

BREMNER: That`s what I was just thinking. Right, the smiling, and then, like queen for a day or something.

BANFIELD: Unreal. I`m going to ask you to stick around. My thanks to Jeanne MacKenzie and also to Travis Guillory.

If you`ve ever been on an interstate, you know to be ready for anything and everything, right? But light poles coming at you like javelins because

this guy is riding the rails? Seriously, take a look. We`re going to tell you what was going on here, next.

[19:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: I got "ONE MORE THING" for you tonight and it looks more like a trick that you might see it a truck show instead of a life-threatening

emergency in Milwaukee. A pickup truck colliding with the interstate divider and somehow riding the rails, rolling on two wheels taking out a

couple of light standards in the process, sending steel and glass flying like javelins. The drivers on the other side of the interstate had to act

fast to avoid slamming into that falling debris, those -- like daggers coming at them. And what`s amazing, they didn`t really slam into each

other to the point where anybody was seriously hurt in all of this. The only person who is really stressed out is the driver of that truck because

that truck is probably a total and he`s been arrested as well. So, there`s that. That happened. Watch where you drive.

See you back here tomorrow night, 6:00 Eastern. Thanks for watching, everybody. "FORENSIC FILES" begins right now.

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