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[15:00:00] FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: That's just one of many tweets the President fired off today unleashing his frustration with the, "witch hunt," Russia probe just after the investigation hits its one-year mark.
We have CNN's Jeremy Herb and Ryan Nobles standing by. Let's get straight to Ryan Nobles live from the White House to put into context all of these tweets for us.
RYAN NOBLES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Fred, there's no doubt that President Trump has been frustrated, even downright annoyed with the Mueller investigation since it launched. But that level of frustration has seemed to have reached a new level over the weekend, in part because the Trump -- Mr. Trump seems particularly frustrated with this idea that there was an informant attempting to gain some sort of information during on the Trump campaign during the campaign. This was someone that was working for the FBI attempting to make connections with people inside the Trump campaign.
But, what the President seems concerned about, and -- which at this point there doesn't seem to be a whole heck of a lot of evidence about is that this was personally engineered by the Obama administration for the purposes of helping Hillary Clinton's campaign. I want to point this tweet out to you from yesterday which was the start of this, you know, tirade to a certain extent that the President has been on this weekend. He said, "If the FBI or DOJ was infiltrating a campaign for the benefit of another campaign" -- that's the key phrase there -- 'that is a really big deal. Only the release or review of documents at the House Intelligence Committee also the Senate Judiciary is asking for can give conclusive answers. Drain the swamp."
So the President suggesting that this was an effort to not only hurt his campaign but to help someone else's campaign, and that's why he's asking for more information. Of course there are many inside the Justice Department and the FBI concerned that the release of more of this information could potentially damage the revelation of this source's name, and that is raising a lot of concerns. But right now, Fred, the President continues to rail on this idea that he's been treated unfairly in this instance where, at this point, there isn't a whole lot of evidence to point to that fact. WHITFIELD: Right. And we have yet to hear any kind of response coming from the Justice Department or the attorney general on whether it would respond to such an order or demand coming from the President.
So, Jeremy Herb, you know, these tweet seem to be triggered by new reports, you just think of the timing, the New York Times report today detailing a new Trump Tower meeting involving Donald Trump Jr. and that taking place in August of 2016. And then, you've got other reports to talk about this alleged informant or someone who may have been meeting with campaign aides.
So, what does this mean potentially to the overall investigation, or what does this mean, period, question mark?
JEREMY HERB, CNN POLITICS REPORTER: Yes. So, in addition to his tweets about the informant, the President also been tweeting about a New York Times report that detailed a Trump Tower meeting we didn't previously know about. And this was a meeting during the campaign just like the meeting with the Russian lawyer. This time, it was with George Nader who was an emissary to the Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates, as well as Erik Prince and an Israeli social specialist.
Now, according the Times, there was offer of an assistant to help the Trump campaign coming from these officials including for some kind of social media platform from the Israeli company. It's not clear if anything came of this, and, in fact, Donald Trump Jr.'s lawyer said nothing did. But it's of interest to the Robert Mueller probe, according to the Times. It shows kind of just how widespread that probe is becoming now that President focused on the fact that this is not Russia. And one of his tweets this morning saying that, well, we didn't find collusion in Russia, now they're looking in the rest of the world.
But there are ties back to the Russia probe because Erik Prince, who was in this meeting, also had a meeting involving George Nader with a Russian banker in the Seychelles.
WHITFIELD: And then do we know, Jeremy and -- would it have been in combat upon the campaign to disclose this kind of meeting involving any emissaries of the Unites Arab Emirates or even Qatar or Saudi Arabia at this juncture of the campaign in August?
HERB: Well, it certainly raises questions. We didn't learn about the Trump Tower meeting with the Russian lawyer until a year after the fact. And now we're, you know, almost getting -- it's roughly a year and a half we're just learning about this meeting.
You know, it wasn't -- so there wasn't like a necessarily a purpose where they needed to disclose that on, you know, official forms but it's worth noting that it is illegal for foreign officials to take part in U.S. elections. And I think that is where the question is about what just took place at this meeting.
WHITFIELD: All right, Ryan and Jeremy, thank you so much. I also want to bring in Congressman Ted Lieu of California. He's also a member of the House Judiciary Committee. [15:05:04] So, Congressman, you tweeted a moment ago saying, "I look forward to this inquiry. It will show the professional agents of the FBI engaged in a counterintelligence operation which means the real Donald Trump associates and perhaps POTUS himself should be very, very scared of what the Justice Department knows about what happened in 2016."
So, elaborate on that further, in addition to your point of view of the President saying he will demand the DOJ get to the bottom of and reveal information to him.
REP. TED LIEU (D), CALIFORNIA (via telephone): Thank you, Fredrick for your question. The President doesn't seem to understand that the FBI initiated this investigation as a counterintelligence investigation known as Crossfire Hurricane. Very few people knew about it. It was not done for political purposes. Because if it was, then the Hillary Clinton campaign would have talked about it, America would have known about it in October and September of 2016, but no one did because this was done really to stop Russia influence and to protect the Trump campaign.
That's what the investigation was about.
WHITFIELD: And so you are underscoring that the President has a lack of understanding of how it goes, that this counterintelligence is an issue of national security less than not at all about politics.
LIEU: That's absolutely correct. The professional agents at the FBI counterintelligence unit, they do their job to prevent influence from foreign powers into America. It was not done as a criminal investigation at the beginning. It only morphed into a criminal investigation because it turned out that some Americans were also involved, including George Papadopoulos who has already pled guilty.
WHITFIELD: And what would be your point of view? Was it a potential violation of the campaign or anyone involved in the campaign to have had any kind of meetings, whether it'd be at Trump Tower or otherwise, in that August 2016 date involving emissaries of the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, or Qatar? Would that have been, you know, illegal if foreign governments or individuals were trying to be involved in American elections? Would that meeting constitute anything illegal in your view?
LIEU: It could. It is illegal for foreign countries to participate or influence the election in America. And if Donald Trump Jr. or other members of the Trump campaign were actually soliciting their influence, then that could be a violation of federal law. Or if they, in fact, use their influence, that is also a violation.
And it's also important to know that if you're a defendant, and I'm a former prosecutor, and you're scared in evidence against you, what you do is you put law enforcement on trial. And that's what you see the President doing. He is constantly sneering at the FBI without any evidence. He's got to stop doing that because that's harming our national security. WHITFIELD: So, you're essentially saying that the President wouldn't be going on a Sunday morning Twitter storm if the President had nothing to hide?
LIEU: Absolutely. He would know if there were informants that they would have revealed nothing that he or his campaign associates did wrong, he would have welcomed the investigation to conclude. Instead he keeps attacking the FBI.
And keep in mind, it is enormously problematic to even think about the FBI having to do this. The only reason they would have done this is they got information that Russia or other countries are trying to infiltrate or influence American elections in 2016.
WHITFIELD: How important will it be, in your view, for the attorney general to respond to the President's tweet that he would be demanding the Department of Justice to, you know, get to the bottom of or reveal what it knows about any probe of the Trump campaign back in 2016? How important is it, in your view, for the attorney general to respond or at least underscore his independence of the President's demand?
LIEU: That's a great question. So first of all, the President needs to tread very lightly here. Because if he is seen as trying to influence a federal investigation with corrupt intent, then what the President is doing right now could be construed as obstruction of justice. Because he's asking for an investigation of an ongoing investigation and that is very inappropriate.
My hope is the attorney general will simply write a letter back saying they've done the inquiry and that this was started out as counterintelligence operation, no one knew about it, and it was not done for political purposes at the time.
WHITFIELD: Will it worry you if the attorney general says nothing, does not respond publicly to what the President has just tweeted?
LIEU: I will be fine with that. I think it's fine if you want to do this inquiry as to whether the FBI agents or the counterintelligence unit did this for political purposes because the answer would come back very quickly. No.
[15:10:04] And if the Department of Justice simply relay that to the White House in a private capacity. I'm fine with that as well. But the reason we know that none of this was done for political purposes is because none of us knew about it. If it was done for political purposes then the whole public would have known about it. The Clinton campaign would have used it and it would have been done to try to influence the elections in 2016. None of that happened.
WHITFIELD: So it's political purposes versus counterintelligence, thereby you say counterintelligence of -- an issue of national security. There are grounds for that.
WHITFIELD: Congressman Ted Lieu, thank you so much. LIEU: Thank you.
WHITFIELD: So, can the President actually make good on this threat to launch a DOJ investigation? We're going to be also asking our legal panel and how they see this, next.
[15:15:08] WHITFIELD: More now of our breaking news, President Trump sending off a stunning tweet in the last hour. The President is saying he will demand the Justice Department look into weather the FBI and the DOJ infiltrated the Trump campaign, and he says he wants to know if members of the Obama administration were behind the move.
With me now is CNN Legal Analyst Paul Callan. Thanks so much for being with me, Paul.
So, can the President demand from the Justice Department to investigate what this was all about? And we're thinking that this is precipitated by the reporting that there may have been an FBI informant who had contact with Trump campaign aides.
PAUL CALLAN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Oh, he most certainly can, Fred, because technically the President is the head, the boss of the Justice Department. So he can order certain investigations.
Now, customarily presidents don't do this, they kind of stay back and let justice do what it's supposed to do. And if he orders such an investigation, it's opening Pandora's box, in my view, because first of all, the investigation would necessarily involve an investigation of what Mueller was doing and whether Mueller's investigation was in part to an based on an illegal infiltration of the Trump campaign.
So I think what would have to happen mechanically is, you would need a second special prosecutor or independent counsel to do such an independent investigation which would lead now to two independent counsels.
WHITFIELD: Why would the President want to invite that?
CALLAN: Well, I don't think he's spoken to anybody about what the implications are of this move. And I think when he does on Monday when the lawyers arrived, he's going to change his mind because it would be a disaster to start a second investigation.
WHITFIELD: What do you see as the potential implications?
CALLAN: Well, I do -- I don't see the implication that it's going to help the President in the long run. I see it as possible additional counter obstruction of justice. Because remember, the big problem is proving obstruction is corrupt intent because the President of course has the right to run the Justice Department the way he wants to. But here, if he's ordering this investigation so as to negate things that were found out later on by Mueller as a result of the informant, it sounds like he's trying to kill the investigation by doing this. So, I think it's a very, very dangerous move by the President. WHITFIELD: Interesting. So you heard Congressman Ted Lieu of California earlier when I asked him the very same question, he really said that any kind of infiltration, or if there was an informant that was having dialogue and this is based on the reporting that was on the Washington Post, you know, that was having dialogue with any kind of aide of the campaign that it would have been based on counterintelligence national security. And so there is jurisdiction in which, for an informant to have that kind of conversation, if it appeared as though there were any kind of foreign entities that were trying to influence the election, thereby, it would be justified.
CALLAN: That's -- I have to agree with the congressman. It would be absolutely, you know, legal for the FBI to investigate such a thing. There is no -- presidential campaigns don't have immunity from investigation if they're conspiring with foreign governments to subvert our elections. So it would be perfectly proper to investigate it. It might be unprecedented but it would be legal.
WHITFIELD: And so now you have today's New York Times' reporting which is revealing that there was another Trump Tower meeting involving Donald Trump Jr. in August of 2016 involving the meeting with representation of the United Arab Emirates, with Saudi Arabia, as well as Qatar with promises to help secure a Trump outcome of the election. Isn't that problematic, potentially, too?
CALLAN: It's certainly right on the borderline. It's not illegal for presidential candidates or their representatives to meet with foreigners. I mean, there's -- they always go on the mandatory trip to Israel usually --
WHITFIELD: But if the promise --
CALLAN: -- but when they're running for office --
WHITFIELD: -- was according to the reporting and I'm just quoting from the report, that they were eager to help his father win election as president --
CALLAN: It would depend, Fred, whether in what the follow-up on that promise was, because it would be illegal to solicit or obtain the help of a foreign government to win a presidential election. What we don't know at this point is what was follow-up to that? Was information supplied, was it solicited?
If that's the case, I think it would be illegal.
WHITFIELD: OK. And then bottom line back to the initial report from -- or tweet from the President demanding DOJ get involved, what should be the response coming from the DOJ attorney general, or would it be the Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein since, you know, the recusal?
CALLAN: Let me tell you --
WHITFIELD: From whom the response came from?
CALLAN: Let me tell you why that becomes complicated. WHITFIELD: OK.
[15:20:02] CALLAN: Obviously, Sessions has already recused himself from the Russia investigation. This has a bearing on the Russia investigation, so he's out.
CALLAN: Now, because there is a potential conflict with the Mueller investigation, Rosenstein is the guy in charge of the Mueller investigation. So I say Rosenstein would be out.
So now we would get down to the solicitor general of the United States, who I believe is in the third spot. I could be wrong about that but we definitely would go down to another person in the Justice Department who did not have a conflict of interest interests. So, this is opening Pandora's Box, and the implications are really, really important and almost staggering in their implications.
WHITFIELD: Well, very fascinating. All right, our Paul Callan, thank you so much.
CALLAN: OK, thank you.
WHITFIELD: All right, happening right now, a memorial service under way, a very somber occasion. One of the students killed in the Santa Fe, Texas School shooting being honored. This is where we are also learning much more about each of the young victims. That story coming up, next.
[15:25:33] WHITFIELD: Right now a memorial for one of the young victims in the Santa Fe, Texas High school shooting. Friends and classmates are gathering to remember Sabika Sheikh, a Pakistani foreign exchange student from Pakistan. She was one of the 10 victims gunned down and 13 wounded in Friday's attack.
These as investigators work to uncover new details about the shooting. Police are searching through journal entries and computer files to determine what may have led to the suspected gunman to open fire on his own classmates.
CNN Anchor Erica Hill begins our team coverage live from Santa Fe. So Erica, what more are we learning?
ERICA HILL, CNN ANCHOR: Well, we're learning specifically who those victims are, Fred. We now know the identities of all 10. As you mentioned, that service for Sabika Sheikh being held right now before her body is flown home to Pakistan.
Also, among those killed, 17-year-old students Chris Stone and Jared Black, Jared Black has just turned 17. Substitute teacher Cynthia Tisdale, Shana Fisher, 16-years-old, Kimberly Vaughan, Glenda Anne Perkins, Christian Riley Garcia, Aaron Kyle McLeod, and Angelique Ramirez, also killed. And as we are learning those identities, the community understandably coming together here in Santa Fe today uniting this morning for a memorial service for the shooting victims. In attendance at that service, Texas Governor Greg Abbott, where so many people were still trying to understand why these young lives were taken.
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JERL WATKINS, PASTOR, ARCADIA FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH OF SANTA FE: Folks, we need to pray for our children every day. Every day. We need to pray that as a nation, we'll begin to turn back to the Lord, that this senseless killing might be stopped in our schools. We nee do we need to do more than just pray? Yes, we certainly do.
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HILL: CNN Correspondent Polo Sandoval was there and joins us now with more specifically to what we are seeing in terms of this outpouring of support for the community here in Santa Fe. Polo?
POLO SANDOVAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: So Erica, we've seen support, and I'm sure you've also seen it here, too, healing. There are some signs here that this community begins to heal. Just yesterday the Santa Fe high school baseball team took to the field again for the first time since the shooting, and as you mentioned today, congregates came here to the Arcadia Baptist Church only a mile from the high school where the shooting took place to pray.
In the congregation, there were five students in green cap and gowns. These are Santa Fe graduating seniors. These are people, Erica, I have to tell you are -- they are strong, they are selfless as they focused not necessarily on their accomplishments when, of course, many students would but instead on their fellow students and of course those 10 families that did not -- those 10 victims of this shooting.
In the hours ahead, we expect even more students to come back out here to this church for a regular -- for a previously scheduled graduation celebration that has been scheduled here for quite some time.
Of course, as we saw today during Sunday's service, the shooting was dominating the sermon. We are likely to see that as well, Erica, because what we're seeing here only two days after the shooting is a community coming together, tuning to that power of prayer for some kind of healing, trying to make some kind of sense as to what actually came together, what happened as an investigation continues to move forward.
HILL: And as you point out, moving forward as well with that baccalaureate ceremony later today. So important for some of the folks that we've spoken with here that they continue to move forward. Polo, appreciate it. Thank you.
Fred, we'll have much more for you in the hours ahead from Santa Fe.
WHITFIELD: And Erica, no school, of course, scheduled for tomorrow. What more do we know about this week or how the week begins for people there?
HILL: You're right, no school, Monday, actually, or Tuesday. And we should point out, a number of exams were actually scheduled to begin this week. In fact one young woman who we spoke with yesterday said she was really hunkering down to studying on Friday when that gunfire erupted early in the morning.
So as of now, the latest that we have heard from the district which was yesterday, they have stopped all press events since then was school is scheduled to reopen on Wednesday. We'll see if that changes moving forward. Last day of school, Fredricka, is the 31st and the graduation ceremony for the seniors is scheduled for Friday, June 1st.
[15:30:01] WHITFIELD: All right, Erica Hill, thank you so much in Santa Fe, Texas.
All right, still ahead, a man in Hawaii is seriously injured when lava just splattered out and hit him in the leg as he is sitting on his porch. And this as officials warns of new dangers from molten lava hitting the ocean and creating a toxic plume of acid and volcanic glass.
[15:35:05] WHITFIELD: We're getting stunning new pictures out of Hawaii where the Kilauea volcano is becoming more active and terrifying.
Is that not extraordinary? That is the sound of the exploding lava from one of the many powerful volcano fissures which have opened up on the Big Island and then these incredible images of a lava fountain. These expanding cracks in the earth are now sending huge chunks of flaming lava debris into the air spatter from exploding lava, causing the first injury from the volcano shattering a man's leg while he stood on his third floor balcony.
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TAIMAGE MAGNO, HAWAII CIVIL DEFENSE ADMINISTRATOR: The early word I heard is up on the porch of a house and a lava bomb in his leg and he got injured. But a spatter -- you know, when a spatter kicks up and -- so he must been pretty close. I heard the injury was quite bad, serious to his legs.
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WHITFIELD: Wow. And earlier today, we learned that streams of lava have reached the Pacific Ocean, the rivers of molten lava closing down part of a main evacuation route. And now there are growing concerns the lava is creating a deadly new danger.
For the very latest, let's bring in CNN's Stephanie Elam. Stephanie, we see these incredible, I don't know, like little mini mountains of orange lava behind you. How far away from that -- those plumes are you? STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know, I imagine it's probably about a mile, is my guess. Things look different when there's nothing in the way when you're looking at it this close. But I'm going to step out so you can take a better look at it, Fred, but you take a look at what is happening there, and you can see that the sea of black lava around it as well. So building up and fountaining.
And one of the things that have been striking to me is that, whenever I've looked at images of lava fountaining out like this before, I've always thought that it looked like it was in slo-mo. Now I realized that's just the way it looks. This is exactly how it looks right now. What you're seeing is what we are seeing here too.
WHITFIELD: Oh my God.
ELAM: And in the background, you may hear some extreme sounds of air leaving the earth. That's another fissure that we are not too far from, but I'd still say probably about a mile away or so. And those volcanic gases, when they come out, it's almost like a jet engine, it's like a jet is taking off right next to you. You can feel it, it is strong, it is somewhat jarring when you're near it.
All of this happening while at the same time you were mentioning the fact that those two streams pulled over 137 and went into the ocean. Those are obviously very beautiful images but the authorities really want people to be safe because of the concern of something called laze. And what that is, is when the lava hits the ocean it creates hydrochloric acid and little shards of glass. Which then to be dangerous to the eyes, you could breathe that in so they're asking people to stay away from it. Obviously though, it is a stunning image and people want to see that. But that's what they're dealing with here. And these volcanic gases, they are strong, they take your breath away, and they can be deadly, Fred.
WHITFIELD: Oh my goodness. So then for you, OK, so you're about a mile away from, you know, that lava fountain. Can you feel any heat coming from that? Can you, you know, smell any of the -- you know, that -- those particles in the air?
ELAM: Well, where we're standing, luckily we -- not luckily, we did it on purpose. We picked a place where the winds are blowing in our direction to keep it from those gases getting into our face. That's why we picked this location where we are.
They can change quickly. We have our gas masks, we're prepared for that. We're not feeling the heat directly, but if I walk down towards that lava field, there are parts where you can still see the gas escaping. You do feel that heat. It is cooling so you can get closer to it, but it still is radiating some heat.
If you think about it, that lava is coming out of the earth at some 2,000 degrees. It's going to take a minute for it to cool down. So, yes, you do feel it but we're staying up here a little above it just to make sure that we're not in any danger.
WHITFIELD: And then talk to me about, you know, some of that danger that even residents there or everyone has to be aware of while the flow is unpredictable, you might think for one moment the flow is going in one direction, but talk to me about the speed of the flow, what people are being warned about in terms of, you know, avoiding getting in the path of flowing lava.
ELAM: Right. Yesterday, that was a big concern because those two heads of lava, first they came together and then they diverged again. Well, at one point the Hawaiian Volcano Observatory said that the lava was flowing in about half a mile an hour, so it was speeding up as it was heading down rift and heading toward the ocean.
That's obviously a concern. But most of that area, there were not buildings in the way, so there wasn't a threat of hitting buildings. The threat, really, was cutting off 137 which is the highway that runs along the ocean of this part of the island. So their concern was about those evacuation routes.
[[15:40:00] But again, a lot of it, while the lava is one thing that you can watch it, a lot it has to do with these sulfur dioxide gasses. All of that, breathing that in, it can be dangerous, it can give you headaches when you're around it too long. It can also irritate your eyes, that's also another concern that they're asking people to be careful. And like you said, that one man that was hit by a lava bomb, they want people to be wary of what maybe thrown into the sky because what goes up will come down. And so that's another concern as well.
WHITFIELD: Gosh, it is just hard to believe these images but it is very much real. All right, be safe. Stephanie Elam, thank you so much.
All right, the world is still abuzz over that royal wedding, and that we're learning new details about the dress, the ring, and why Prince Harry and Meghan -- we should call her Duchess now, Duchess Meghan, why they will not be setting off on their honeymoon just yet.
[15:45:37] WHITFIELD: In Windsor, England, the party is still going on strong today. People are still celebrating after yesterday's immaculate royal wedding. The last we saw of the newlyweds, Prince Harry and the Duchess Meghan there, they were setting off in that gorgeous vintage jaguar convertible right there headed for a reception hosted by Harry's father, Prince Charles.
CNN's Nick Watt joins me now from Windsor. So Nick, now what, after they said the I wills, so they just kind of like lay low for a while before they finally emerged, you know, at the palace for that big old garden party you spoke of last time?
NICK WATT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes. I mean, I think we can give them a couple of days to chill after that wedding yesterday. Listen, I mean, one in four British people watched them on T.V., we still don't know how many people worldwide watched them, more than a hundred thousand people crammed into this little town outside London to watch them get married. It was a spectacular groundbreaking day and the House of Windsor will never ever be the same again. Meghan Markle is going to change that family from the inside in a very, very positive way.
Today, though, she was involved in a fairly solemn tradition that the royal family has been engaged in since 1923 when the queen's mother was married, and that is she went to Westminster Abbey in London and the bouquet that she was carrying yesterday, she laid it on the tomb of the unknown warrior. And in that bouquet by the way, were forget- me-nots that Prince Harry picked himself from the garden of Kensington Palace. Forget-me-nots were his mother, Princess Diana's favorite flowers.
Now, it's a little bit of gossip, the Daily Mail newspaper claims to have some details from inside the reception last night, which from the 200 people that was -- where Meghan and Harry would go in that beautiful e-type jag.
Now the Daily Mail claims that they were eating dirty burgers and cotton candy, or candyfloss as they called it over here. Apparently their first dance was to Whitney Houston. And, apparently William gave a very naughty speech and they drank cocktails called "When Harry Met Meghan." That is all according to the Daily Mail.
Now, as you mentioned, we will see them Tuesday at this garden party in Buckingham Palace hosted again by Prince Charles, and then I assume they're going to go on honeymoon. We do not know where they're going to go and I doubt they are going to tell us where they're going to go. But Meghan Markle as we're talking about, she is no longer Meghan Markle, she is now the Duchess of Sussex and Harry is the Duke of Sussex.
And remember in their engagement interview they did say that they would be looking forward to starting a family quite soon, so that will be the next big royal thing. The next royal wedding, by the way, could be a long way off.
WATT: The next generation, Prince George, I'm guessing, might be the next one and he hasn't even turned five years old yet.
WHITFIELD: Oh, he's not even five yet. Oh boy.
WATT: So this was it for a while.
WHITFIELD: Yes, this was really it.
WATT: This was it for a while. I mean, this afternoon I walked around and people were kind of in a daze. People were kind of overcome by yesterday, still trying not to let go by just walking around and watching things being taken down, the port-a-potties being taken away on trucks. Yes. But people don't really want to let it go of it, Fred.
WHITFIELD: Yes. WATT: It was such a great day and unusually -- I hate to say for this country, unusually the weather was spectacular which really does make a difference. It was a blue sky day here in Windsor.
WHITFIELD: Yes, match that beautiful silver blue jaguar, which I can't stop thinking about either.
Hey, so real quick. OK, what's the dirty burger? What's in a dirty burger? I just got to know. Just take me inside that reception again real quick.
WATT: Well, I mean, it's a burger chain, a small, exclusive cheesy of the moment burger chain here in London, and they call it a dirty burger. Because traditionally British people have not been able to make hamburgers, they make them very badly and apparently, these are actually very, very good. There were, of course, a lot of Americans at that few last night who would not take kindly to a bad hamburger. Apparently, they are very good. I didn't tasted one but apparently they're very good.
WHITFIELD: Well, the lines will be long now at the dirty burger just as they will at Violet Bakery now that the wedding has put them all on the map.
WATT: Oh yes.
WHITFIELD: All right, Nick Watt, thank you so much from Windsor. I appreciate it.
All right, so, I want to bring in now Patrick Jephson. He's the author of the book, "The Meghan Factor," and was the former chief of staff to Princess Diana.
[15:50:05] So, yesterday really was, you know, Meghan's day. I mean, she really put a big stamp on the wedding now that we've learned so many more details about how things unfolded. It also really exhibited her independence, and as well as her influence perhaps now on the monarchy. How do you see it?
PATRICK JEPHSON, AUTHOR, "THE MEGHAN FACTOR": Yes, I think she already has put her mark on the, you know, the Meghan era. Interesting what Nick was saying about how long we have to wait for the next royal wedding? It's worth remembering. You know, these people, now Meghan among them, they're not like politicians, they're not running for office. They don't have term limits.
Their horizons in time are set to infinity, this is a dynasty business. And one of the challenges I would guess for Meghan is going to be learning how to slow down here and there so that she can match the pace of what is -- you know, it's an institution that evolves with glacial slowness.
WHITFIELD: Interesting. So she is 36, he is 33. And while you talk about her role, don't they already seem to exhibit that they are a team? And what they're about to, you know, endeavor will be together as opposed to measuring them separately? Or can you have both? JEPHSON: Well, I think you put your finger on it there, because strangely, being royal in my observation, working for Princess Diana for eight years, it can be a very lonely job, because really, only other royal people understand what it's like. You know, we all have this view from the outside but from the inside, it can be very, very different, and very, very stressful, demanding, it is after all a life of duty and service and sacrifice, if it's done properly.
So being able to find in your partner somebody who understands that, can support you, is essential. And of course, it was Harry's mother's experience that she didn't have that support. So that rather drove her to invent herself, her own style of royal operation. And very, very successful it was. But it had some very, very trying moments.
WHITFIELD: And then it looks like, and correct me if I'm wrong, it looks like allowances were made for that by the queen, and even Harry, you know, that she would put such a mark on the way in which this wedding would take place, seems as though she's going to be afforded freedoms, you know, that, you know, Diana, since you brought her up, really didn't have, and which were very constricting and it made it complicated for her.
JEPHSON: Well, I question that a bit. It's worth remembering that the royal household, the whole royal organization, it's not a command and control system. It's a federation, and individual members of the royal family are left pretty much to their own devices.
The critical thing being they together support the monarchy, don't bring the monarchy into disrepute, don't rock the constitutional boat. Within those broad parameters, they have enormous latitude to find the causes that give them fulfillment. There are really limitless possibilities in front of Meghan now. And the key to success or failure is how well she uses her own judgment in what she does with this extraordinary to influence that she now has.
WHITFIELD: And what did you like most? Or was there a moment or something about that wedding that was most enlightening to you, given you do understand the monarchy, you understand the royal family much better than the average pair here. So, what touched you the most about what you saw?
JEPHSON: Well, I suppose having -- being in charge of organizing events for Princess Diana for eight years, nothing on this scale, but, you know, part of me was watching with the -- through the eyes of an organizer. Set aside the wonderful emotion, the romance, the music, the lovely weather, did the nuts and bolts work? Did it all go to plan? Did everybody do the right thing at the right moment? And from everything I could see, yes, it worked flawlessly.
But, like so much else in the royal business, to make it look easy, you have to do a lot of hard work behind the scenes and that's a lesson that Meghan, I'm sure will learn quickly.
WHITFIELD: Yes. All right, very nicely said. Patrick Jephson, thank you so much.
And we'll be right back.
[15:59:05] WHITFIELD: Tonight on CNN W. Kamau Bell is back with an all-new episode of United Shades of America. This week Kamau explores how disabled people in America are fighting to change unfair misconceptions about who they are.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In my own life, I know the impact sports made on me. I got injured when I was years old. I didn't make the choices and the choice I made ended up taking a friend's life and cost me the use of my legs.
While I was in ICU, I made a promise to my friend that had passed that something good is going to come out of that day. I got involved in adapter sports and I got involved in help coach wheelchair basketball, and just being around kids with disabilities gave me something to look for every day.
W. KAMAU BELL, UNITED SHADES OF AMERICA HOST: What do you think about people who aren't disabled get wrong about people who are disabled?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They're surprise that we can live independently and that we can do things, like oh, this is still out there. You're inspiring me today, and I'm like, well, I've got to get my groceries.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I feel like they think were delicate, fragile and it was like, no, we're not. No, no, no.
BELL: And we're still reinforced actually.
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[15:00:10] WHITFIELD: All right, be sure to watch in all new episodes of United Shades of America tonight at 10:00 right here on CNN.