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Murder Bombshell, Hunt For The Killer, Cops Questioning Murdered Teacher`s Lovers; Wife Speaks Out, Married Dad Runs Off With Teen Girl. Aired 6-6:30p ET

Aired May 21, 2018 - 18:00   ET

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[18:00:00] ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HOST, HLN CRIME AND JUSTICE: Good evening, everyone, I`m Ashleigh Banfield, welcome to "Crime and Justice." Tonight

police are on the hunt for a brazen killer who gunned down a gorgeous young schoolteacher. Inside Edition Team, Steven Fabian is covering the search

as they start talking to her boyfriends, yes, plural, one of whom was 17 or younger when they started dating.

STEVEN FABIAN, INSIDE EDITION TEAM: That is right, Ashleigh. It appears as though the victim also liked to keep it in the family. Because she was

dating his older brother as well. We`ll tell you what clues these boyfriends could provide for the investigation.

BANFIELD: Boy, the plot thickens on this. All right. Steven, we`ll touch base in a moment.

Also the woman who thinks her husband might have just been trying to be a father figure when he took that woman`s daughter, the 16-year-old daughter,

down to Mexico with him, Justin Freiman has been covering the disturbing story from their disappearance to their homecoming. Justin, is there

really any chance that this relationship was just friendly?

JUSTIN FREIMAN, SR. PRODUCER, HLN CNN: Well, it is not seeming that way right now. You know, he is accused of taking her out of school ten times

and off to a secret apartment and then taking her to Mexico before actually getting caught. Now, he is facing criminal charges and a civil suit. His

wife is speaking out. And that teenage girl`s mother is speaking too.

BANFIELD: Wow, it is piling up. All right. Justin, thank you for that.

Also, the overwhelming evidence of a violent Oklahoma murder with the teenager who stabbed his own family to death. Describing exactly how he

did it. Kyle Peltz has been combing through all of the evidence that has just been released. There`s a brother involved. And the details have been

completely secret until now.

KYLE PELTZ, CRIME AND JUSTICE PRODUCER: That is right. Just 16 years old. We just got our hands on his police interrogation. It`s extremely

disturbing. And also some jailhouse journals too.

BANFIELD: Oh, my goodness. All right. I look forward to seeing those. I think you`ve got the pictures, crayon drawings in jail. Thank you for

that, Kyle.

Also the drunk driver who smiled for the camera, remember this one, despite being accused of killing an older woman on the road, she is got a brand new

look now. And you can bet there is a brand new reason for that new look in that new mug shot. We`ll tell you exactly what happened.

In the meantime, I want to start first with the hunt for a killer as it continues in Western Pennsylvania. A gorgeous young schoolteacher. We had

been following this case. The story of Rachel DelTondo, she was shot dead in her volley of bullets in her mother`s driveway on mother`s day. And now

police are looking for both the gun as wells as the gunman.

And their search just took them to the home of Sheldon Jeter, the young ex- boyfriend. And I stress young. He is not the only ex-boyfriend the police are talking to. More on that in a moment. Sheldon is however the only ex-

boyfriend who got Rachel suspended, he was the one who was caught with Rachel in a steamy car that is when Sheldon was just 17. Years later his

lawyer confirmed that that relationship started even before that.

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MICHAEL SANTICOLA, SHELDON JETER JR.`S ATTORNEY: My client had nothing to do with this shooting. Quite the opposite. My client was friendly with

this person, and he hasn`t had a relationship with her for a few years on and off. There was never a problem between the two of them. We have all

of those people`s names, we have now all of them. They all will corroborate all of the stories. He was with multiple people that night and

during the day that will verify that he was nowhere near this shooting at the time.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Well, Rachel had been out with multiple people that night as well, including one of Sheldon`s older brothers, his name is Tyree. She`d

gone with Tyree and a friend to get ice cream. But Sheldon and Tyree had yet a third brother named Rashon. Stay with me here, because this is where

it gets complicated, but this also where it gets even more steamy than that car. Rachel was also dating that older brother Rashon. And Rashon told

the police that they`d been serious for several months even though their relationship had been tainted by an altercation with that younger teenage

brother, Sheldon, you know, the one from the steamy car. An now Rashon is saying this, just as police say Rachel`s death might just have been a crime

of jealousy.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SANTICOLA: Absolutely ridiculous. There was no love triangle. There was no jealousy, there was no motive.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Wm joining me tonight to talk about all of that. On the phone, John Paul is the founder and reporter for the Beaver Countian. And that is

the publication that has been finding out a lot of interesting stuff, even more bizarre than what we just told you. Also, Steven Fabian,

correspondent for "Inside Edition" is with me. He has been following this story from the get go. Michael Santicola, is the attorney for Sheldon

Jeter, that then 17 year-old student who got Rachel suspended, found in that steamy car. And CNN law enforcement contributor and former FBI agent

and investigator, Steve Moore is with me as well. OK. Steve Fabian, first to you, it is very complicated. So, let`s set the brass tacks here.

[18:05:00] FABIAN: Right.

BANFIELD: There are three brothers.

FABIAN: Three brothers.

BANFIELD: Each one of them with an individual relationship with this young woman Rachel, who is now dead.

FABIAN: Right.

BANFIELD: Two of them confirmed to be sexual relationships.

FABIAN: Right. We know that Rachel was found two plus years ago in that car with the steamed up windows --

BANFIELD: With a 17-year-old.

FABIAN: With Sheldon. Sheldon is 20 years old now. He is cooperating with police. Tyree is another brother. On the night of Rachel`s murder

there were some text messages back and forth with Tyree and Rachel about going to get ice cream, pretty innocent activity. Then days go by, out of

nowhere we hear from Rashon Bolton, who has been questioned by police, he is the oldest of these brothers, he is 25 years old, and he said, yes, I

had a relationship with her too.

BANFIELD: Oh geez.

FABIAN: That didn`t exactly make Sheldon so happy to know that these brothers were seeing the same girl and there was actually an altercation

between the two brothers outside the home where these two brothers were sort of getting into it with each other over dating the same girl.

BANFIELD: Yes, well, I can imagine how that wouldn`t be comfortable in a family of brothers. How about the middle brother Tyree? Does he -- first

of all, he is out with her the night she dies, Tyree.

FABIAN: Sure.

BANFIELD: They`re getting ice cream with another girl, a story about her as well, but I`ll get there. But did Tyree know that Rachel was caught in

the car with his 17-year-old brother, and dating his older brother Rashon?

FABIAN: I think so. All indications point to Tyree was aware of their sexual relationship and at this point, it appears as though Tyree was just

a friend. They were texting each other like, I said, going to get ice cream that night. She wasn`t romantically linked to Tyree that we know of.

BANFIELD: This is all extremely complicated, but here is what is not complicated. This is just the bare facts in an investigation into a woman

gunned down with a hail of bullets, five minutes after she was dropped off?

FABIAN: Five minutes, yes.

BANFIELD: Five minutes, OK. There`s a search warrant that has just been served on that youngest brother Sheldon. That is the 17-year-old caught in

the steamy car a couple years ago. And they went through his home and they were looking for a 9 millimeter gun.

FABIAN: Right.

BANFIELD: What`s the story?

FABIAN: They were looking for a gun. They didn`t find a gun. They walked away with some notebooks that he was using that night, maybe to write a

song, they walked away with a PlayStation. I am not sure why they walk away with the PlayStation.

BANFIELD: Well, Steve Moore will be able to answer that in a minute.

FABIAN: And they were also looking for a bloody sweatshirt, which they did not find and they did not find a gun.

BANFIELD: OK what about car, did they seize the car?

FABIAN: They searched his car, looking for the same materials and were unable to find any.

BANFIELD: You say bloody sweatshirt, I`ve seen hoodie, and I`ve also seen a discrepancy between clothe that is -- and you have to straighten this out

for me.

FABIAN: Sure.

BANFIELD: Even if you can, it is also the coming in, in a very last minute.

FABIAN: Yes. A lot of layers on this story.

BANFIELD: Bizarre. Bizarre story that this Sheldon Jeter, again the 17- year-old kid, gave police the clothing that he was wearing that night. But surveillance video shows a different hoodie that he was wearing that night.

Is that the hoodie in question?

FABIAN: That is the hoodie they`re looking for, yes, you`re right, he told police I was wearing one thing, but they found surveillance video from what

I would believe a gas station. And he was wearing something different. They are looking for that --

BANFIELD: A light colored hoodie.

FABIAN: I think, it is a gray hoodie.

BANFIELD: Do we know it was blood covered?

FABIAN: They don`t, I mean, of course not. But right now Sheldon is cooperating. He is turned over all the things they`ve asked for, and he is

cooperating with police.

BANFIELD: OK. I`m going to read a series of statements that Rashon made to the police about the -- I think you were talking -- but the

confrontation he and his brother -- clearly they`re seeing the same girl. They`re going to argue at some point. This is what Rashon said from his

memory about the things his brother said to him.

FABIAN: Sure.

BANFIELD: While he was standing there with Rachel who is now dead. It is complicated, so stay with me here. So, Rashon tells police that his little

brother Sheldon said, why you calling me, bro, you never call, you`re weird as "f." OK that is the first thing he says his little brother said to him,

while he is standing there with Rachel.

He then says, that "b" told me she was with Amy. I`m guessing, as opposed to you, my brother, standing there with the girl that I used to see for

several years. According to his lawyer. And then the third thing is, three months ago, apparently this confrontation happened, this is what

older brother says little brother said about Rachel. If my brother wasn`t here I`d "f" you up. That is not good. If you are the subject of a search

warrant. That is not good if you have a love interest and there`s clear reason to be jealous and your brother is giving this stuff up to the

police. But there`s even more. This is where I want to bring in John Paul from the "Beaver Countian."

John Paul, your publication and this is a bizarre twist, as we needed a cast of character to get wider, your publications has said that Rachel,

before she died, had come to you as a source and had been very worried about death threats that she`d been getting. Is this about organized

crime? Because your publication said that she had been cooperating with not only the Pennsylvania State Police, but also the organized crime

section of the Pennsylvania State Attorney General`s Office. Can you help me sort through what was going on here?

[18:10:07] JOHN PAUL, FOUNDER AND REPORTER, THE BEAVER COUNTIAN: Sure. My reporting showed -- started with Rachel after personal information,

sensitive information had been leaked about her out of law enforcement databases by the Aliquippa Police Department. We actually received a copy

of that leaked information basically alleging that there had been a cover- up involving Rachel`s involvement with Mr. Jeter.

BANFIELD: That is the young one. Let`s be clear, John Paul, let`s be clear, there`s a couple of Jeter`s involved. There`s three brothers.

PAUL: Sheldon Jeter, the one she was found in the vehicle with.

BANFIELD: The 17-year-old. And let us be also clear, for anybody catching up on this super complicated story. When that teacher is found in the car

with the 17-year-old, she is let off the hook. And the police do not charge her, because they say nothing going on here, it wasn`t as everybody

thinks, yes, the car was steamy, but there was nothing going on. And now we have learned that, in fact, yes, not only was there something going on,

it had been going on for several years, prior to him being 17. So I can say I`m assuming at least 16. So take it from there.

PAUL: Yes, and just to be clear, my reporting does not show independently that relationship prior to the time they`d found in the vehicle, but I know

there is other reporting.

BANFIELD: We have that confirmed. Yes. We have that confirmed on our program last week from Sheldon`s Jeter attorney said without question that

relationship was going on before my client was 17, so, carry on.

PAUL: So what I can say is after that information about the police was leaked about her from the police department, we published an investigative

report in December detailing that a leak of sensitive information had come out of that police department. A short time thereafter Rachel and several

people associated with her had contacted us about concerns involving information that she had related to allegations involving the police

department.

A short time thereafter we began doing additional reporting. She had come to us and claimed that she was receiving death threats. Her mother

confirmed to us that she had received death threats to her machine as well basically stating that Rachel would not live to see the end of 2018.

BANFIELD: She said to you, she said she didn`t think she would live until the end of 2018?

PAUL: Those were the threats that she`d received. That was the content of the threats that she heard.

BANFIELD: OK. And she got these on her voice mail?

PAUL: Yes. She actually got messages, as did her mother.

BANFIELD: And her mother -- and so do we -- did she know who the voices were leaving these threats?

She did not. And we just published an interview of her mother a couple of days ago where the mother also said that she was unaware who this was, and

that that uncertainty of who was making those threats was causing a great deal of distress for Rachel.

BANFIELD: So, to be clear, whenever you hear, you know, the organized crime section and the Pennsylvania State Police you think mob. But I`m now

starting to wonder if everything stems from that moment she was found in the car with the 17-year-old. And anything that may have happened

afterwards might be considered the organized crime that she may have been an informant for. Does that make sense?

PAUL: I think it`s wider than that based on my reporting. I previously reported before of a wide-reaching investigation being conducted by state

authorities involving multiple government entities in our county, including multiple municipalities as well as the county courthouse.

BANFIELD: So the steamy car issue is just one small part of it? Is that what you`re suggesting?

PAUL: I suggest that she had information that had nothing to do with that steamy car incident that had to do potentially with organized corruption

involving potentially law enforcement entities and government entities and other individuals in the community.

BANFIELD: Well, this is getting extraordinary. I want to get -- don`t go anywhere, John Paul. I want to get Steve Fabian in on this as real

quickly, because the police officer who investigated -- who showed up at the death scene has a daughter.

FABIAN: Yes.

BANFIELD: And that daughter was with this victim the night she died, and that police officer has been suspended -- well --

FABIAN: This gets confusing. There is a (inaudible) here.

BANFIELD: That police officer is on leave. The police said it`s because he needs to deal with his daughter, who was with the murder victim that

night.

FABIAN: She is a personal friend of the victim.

BANFIELD: A warrant has just been served on their family. Why?

FABIAN: Right. This is where it gets crazy. That police officer`s wife was just served a warrant, Stephanie Watkins, right here, OK, for her

Facebook information, her messages, her posts, her likes, her comments, everything.

BANFIELD: This is weird.

FABIAN: From May 10th to May 15th.

BANFIELD: This is weird.

FABIAN: What is her involvement to this case? We don`t know. We understand why the officer was taken off the case, paid leave, because his

daughter was with the victim the night she got murdered, right.

[18:15:00] BANFIELD: That is what the police said. But now if you believe what John Paul is reporting that there may be a very broad ranging

investigation of police or government entities, it gets curious.

FABIAN: You have to understand, somebody leaked that police report, that information about Rachel, and we don`t know who did that.

BANFIELD: Wait, and the police said it was a clerical error, it was just a clerical error. I want to bring in Mike Santicola in here, attorney for

Sheldon Jeter. Michael, you are the one that told me your client Sheldon, the young 17 year old was having a relationship with this teacher before he

was even 17.

SANTICOLA: Yes, I mean, their relationship --

BANFIELD: Go ahead?

SANTICOLA: Yes, their relationship started obviously when he was still a student in school.

BANFIELD: How young? Do you know how young? Do you have more clarity on how young?

SANTICOLA: I can`t pinpoint -- yes, I can`t pinpoint the exact time. It was obviously the time that they were caught in the car was not the first

time they were together.

BANFIELD: OK. And now they`ve gone after his PlayStation, his notebook, a hoodie, and they are looking for a 9 millimeter gun and they said that he

gave them his clothes from that night and the sweatshirt that he gave them, was not the sweatshirt in surveillance, wear that sweatshirt from

surveillance, the light colored hoodie.

SANTICOLA: Yes, the rendition of how they gathered those clothing is a bit different in a way than it has being described to me. The clothing -- they

walked into his room. He had clothing laying on the floor. They said this the clothing you were wearing? It was in a pile. I am not sure he knew

what was there? He said, you can take it, I don`t care, go ahead. They didn`t have a warrant, he gave them the clothing. The fact they didn`t ask

for the actual clothing, had they ask for the clothing they wanted, he would have given it to them.

BANFIELD: Did he give him the light colored hoodie yet?

SANTICOLA: I don`t know exactly what they took this last time, but I believe they have everything -- everything they`ve taken so far, everything

they`ve looked at corroborates my client`s story that he was not involved.

BANFIELD: Does he have an alibi?

SANTICOLA: He does.

BANFIELD: Who is it?

SANTICOLA: If you look at the text messages that were read, you can see the one of the ones he texted her was, hey sorry I missed on ice cream, I

guess I am not in, smiley face.

BANFIELD: That is evidence, but that is not an alibi. I want to know if he has an alibi, an actual person that was with him when Rachel was gun

down in that driveway.

SANTICOLA: He was with multiple that night. He was at home by the time --

BANFIELD: At the time of the shooting.

SANTICOLA: It`s interesting you say that. If you look at the search warrant that was issued, you can see some -- I think there`s some questions

as to the timeline being described by the other two people that were with her. If you notice the search warrant, Ashleigh, you see that these three

people had gone to get ice cream. OK? This is later at night. They had driven around, gone to certain places, then they come home and this Miss

Watkins drops Rachel off at her house. She goes to take Tyree home, and her mom calls to say come home. Her mom being the one who just served with

a search warrant for her Facebook information.

BANFIELD: Yes.

SANTICOLA: Then for some reason she -- this daughter, Rachel`s friend, texts her and says, hey, go for a walk. I`ll come and pick you up.

BANFIELD: OK, I am running out of time.

SANTICOLA: No problem.

BANFIELD: All I ask is, is there a person who was with your client, Sheldon Jeter, at the time that this young woman was shot? Is there a

person who can account for his whereabouts in a court of law, yes or no?

SANTICOLA: Yes, he was at home where his grandfather lives, yes, his grandfather is a bit disabled. That is who he lives with.

BANFIELD: I have so many more questions about what you get off of PlayStation and all the rest, but I am flat out of time, because it`s such

a complicated story. Can I get you to come back, Michael?

SANTICOLA: Of course, absolutely.

BANFIELD: Thank you for that. I`m also going to invite Steve Moore back to talk about the PlayStation and what you get off on a PlayStation, but

I`m just flat out of time on this particular segment. So, Steve Moore is going to stay with me for some other stories we`re going to cover. Steven

Fabian, my other Steve, you`re going to come back, I need you on this story.

FABIAN: Absolutely. It`s complicated.

BANFIELD: You know it better than I do.

And my thanks as well to John Paul. John, I`m going to get you back too. This story -- look, I`m looking at the list right now. I have six

potential entities or people who could be an enemy of this young woman for various reasons, love and testimony and all the rest. So I`ll leave it

right there.

Tonight, the wife of a married father who allegedly ran off to Mexico with a 16-year-old girl speaking out, unbelievably claiming she is not totally

convinced there was a sexual relationship between that teenager and her husband. Why is that?

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BANFIELD: He had her for almost two weeks. His own teenage daughter`s best friend. Now the Pennsylvania father of four is facing charges for it

after whisking 16-year-old Amy Yu off to Mexico. His name is Keven Esterly. He is also facing a lot of criticism from the woman he`d been

married to for almost as long as Amy had been alive, and that would be his wife Stacy. Stacy, scorned Stacy, who just went on Dr. Phil to talk all

about the red flags with this husband, and to air just a little bit of dirty laundry too. Though Stacy just simply could not seem to say that her

husband had been sexual with that 16-year-old girl.

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PHIL MCGRAW, DR. PHIL SHOW HOST: Do you believe that their relationship is sexual?

[18:25:00] STACY ESTERLY, WIFE OF SUSPECT: I don`t. It`s so hard, because, like I said, we`ve been married for 14 years. I did question it

once to him, and to her. I had asked her, did Kevin ever touch you?

And she is like, oh, my goodness, why would you ever ask me that? You know, he is my dad. I said, OK, I just had to ask you that. And I asked

him, and he would always say, she is 16 years old. She is my daughter. Why would I ever do that? And like I said, there`s so many questions. I

don`t -- I don`t have proof that they were sexual.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: But there`s a difference between having proof of sex with a teenager, and just knowing that something ain`t right. And Stacey knew

something wasn`t right. Especially after it was revealed that Kevin had been checking Amy out of her high school and Kevin had rented an apartment

right around the corner from her home.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MCGRAW: When you said inappropriate, if you didn`t think it was sexual, what did you mean by inappropriate?

ESTERLY: I don`t know. I mean, I don`t have full proof that there was sexual relationship. But I do know the conversation was inappropriate at

the level for being a father figure.

MCGRAW: How did you define inappropriate?

ESTERLY: Just him, telling her how good she looks. I mean, I went through our call log for our cell phones. There would be hours upon hours that

they would be on the phone together, and that is not normal for a father/daughter relationship.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: No, it isn`t. I want to bring in Solomon Jones, morning host on Praise 107.9 FM, also Amy Yu`s mother, Mui Luu, is with us, alongside her

attorney Everett Cook. And trial attorney, Randy Kessler is also with me. Solomon, let me begin with you, the list of charges against Kevin, include

interference with custody of a child, and that is felony, concealment of whereabouts of a child, that is a felony, and corruption of a minor, that

is a misdemeanor. And we don`t know if the corruption of a minor has to do with sex. In fact, nothing in these charges has to do with sex. So is

that why, perhaps, Stacey, Kevin`s long suffering wife isn`t 100 percent convinced that this relationship was sexual?

SOLOMON JONES, MORNING HOST, PRAISE 107.9 FM: I think you have to feel for the wife. I think you have to understand that they`ve been married for 14

years. They have four daughters, not just children, four daughters themselves, ages 2, 7, 11 and 14. And I think that she is going through a

process where she is trying to accept that this could have been and probably was, a sexual type of relationship.

And so I think she is just working through her feelings at this point. It`s not anything to do with the charges. I think it`s her personal

feelings having had this child in her house, having had her with them on vacations, on sleepovers. Having known her for half her life. I think she

is trying to come to grips with what she believes this is.

BANFIELD: Sometimes it`s willful blindness, and sometimes it is just self- preservation. Whatever it is you look right into the eyes of the person talking and you try and figure it out for yourself. So once again, I want

you to take a look at Stacey Esterly. The wife of Kevin Esterly, who is facing a lot of -- well, let us say problems for having a funded off to

Mexico with a 16-year-old, he was checking out of school illegally, allegedly. Have a listen to Stacey on Dr. Phil.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ESTERLY: I honestly can`t say one way or another, but in my heart, I don`t want to believe that they were sexual. And I`m hoping that this was just

infatuation with him trying to help her as a father figure. And he got sucked into something, and I don`t know. I don`t have the answers.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Well, maybe the answers are coming out in the evidence that we know of so far. And it`s kind of bizarre. Think of a grown man with a

whole family having so much to do with this little 16 year old friend of his daughter. He tracked Amy`s telephone, even though he was confronted by

Amy`s family, continued seeing her, he rented this apartment from a family friend, saying to the family friend that he needed the apartment for his

19-year-old affair -- his affair with his 19-year-old girlfriend. He allegedly took $4,000 from Stacey leaving her with 28 cents and then went

to Mexico. And apparently he called Stacey from jail, but not for a whole two weeks in sitting in a can. And this is what Stacey had to say about

that.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ESTERLY: He said thank you for accepting my call.

MCGRAW: And you said --

ESTERLY: And I said did you get the papers that I filed? He never once apologized, never once, you know, said he was sorry. All he said was when

he gets out he`ll explain the whole story.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: I want to bring in Amy Yu`s mom, Mui Luu. Mui, do you believe Kevin Esterly`s wife, Stacey, when she says she`s just not sure if her

husband had a sexual relationship with your daughter?

MUI LUU, MOTHER OF AMY YU: Yes.

BANFIELD: You believe her? You believe that she`s not sure, or do you think she`s not telling the truth?

EVERETT COOK, ATTORNEY FOR AMY YU`S MOTHER: If I may, I`ve had some conversation with Mui about this question. And I think we made it clear,

the civil complaint that we filed, we believe there was sexual relationship between Kevin Esterly and Amy. I think that`s -- I think the facts show

that pretty clearly.

BANFIELD: Yeah. Has Amy come home yet? Because the last time we covered the story she was at a juvenile center for kids at risk and there was an

estrangement of sorts. What`s the circumstance now?

COOK: Still an estrangement with the family. We can`t comment on Amy`s whereabouts. Obviously the court is involved with that and she has counsel

of her own. I don`t represent Amy. But mother and daughter are still estranged at this point.

BANFIELD: That`s got to be heartbreaking for you, Mui. It`s been two and a half months since she left for Mexico. She came back March 17th. If she`s

listening, Mui, is there something you want to say to Amy?

LUU: I don`t know.

COOK: This -- this is difficult for mom. If Amy were -- if Amy were out there listening to this show, is there one thing you`d like to say to her?

LUU: I don`t know how to say --

COOK: I know Mui is concerned for her daughter`s well-being and for her safety. She`s expressed that to me many times. And she hopes things are

getting better. And she hopes to be reunited with her sometime soon.

LUU: Yeah.

BANFIELD: Mui, do you miss Amy?

LUU: Yes.

BANFIELD: And does Amy -- do you think Amy wants to come home?

LUU: I hope her come home, yeah.

BANFIELD: Everett, Amy took $10,000, presumably from her family, before leaving for Mexico. Did they recover that $10,000?

COOK: My understanding is that it has not been recovered. Keep in mind, they were apprehended in Mexico. So this wasn`t on U.S. soil, obviously.

But no, we`re not aware of that money being recovered at this point in time.

That being said, I represent Mui civilly. I`m not privy to what the district attorney`s office or the criminal side of the investigation has

knowledge of. But no, we`re not aware of it being recovered.

BANFIELD: It`s such an uncomfortable story, and I feel for Mui. Mui, I understand this is difficult for you. And I appreciate you and your bravery

for coming on TV. And I -- and I wish you the best. I wish you a happy reunion at some point, you know, for your family.

Everett, thank you for helping her get through this as well. I really appreciate that too. And my thanks to Solomon Jones for helping us sort

through some of these uncomfortable facts in this story.

We have this as well, chilling words of a convicted teenage killer, describing how he, alongside his brother, targeted and then slaughtered

their own family.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MICHAEL BEVER, ACCUSED OF MURDER: And then I was like, I said, "help, Robert`s after me," and they both opened up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And which room did you go into?

BEVER: I went into the bathroom and I stabbed Christopher.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Christopher is just seven. And his little sister is just five. And that`s just the beginning. And it`s also not all Michael Bever had to

say about Robert, his brother and his killing sprees. Wait until you hear what they`re happy to admit to.

[18:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: Tonight in Oklahoma, there are two teenage boys who are sleeping behind bars. They used to sleep in a bed in a full house with their mom and

their dad and their two brothers and their three sisters.

But now almost that entire family is dead because those two teenage brothers stabbed all of them. And tonight we know just how it all happened,

thanks to a strange and gruesome release of evidence from 16-year-old Michael Bever`s judge, evidence that up until now had been kept secret for

years.

Chief among the evidence, the chilling 911 call that one of those little victims, Michael`s 12-year-old brother, made to the police just minutes

before he was slaughtered.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

[18:40:08] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): 911.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): Help.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): Broken Arrow 911.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): Help.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): Hello?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): Help.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): Hi. Where are you at?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): Broken Arrow, Oklahoma.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): Are you the only one there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): No. My brother is attacking my family.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): Your dad is attacking your family?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): No, my brother. Help!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): OK, who is attacking your family?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): What?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): Who is attacking your family?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): Who is it? Do they have --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): (INAUDIBLE).

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: That is the last call that that little boy, that little victim ever made, one innocent victim out of many that his two older brothers

planned to slaughter in cold blood. It was a plan that Michael Bever told police all about, involving his brother Robert.

These were the interviews that were shown to a jury before the jury found Michael guilty of five counts of first-degree murder. That jury recommended

life in prison. His brother Robert got life, no parole.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What about the big knife, the machete? Did that get used on anybody?

BEVER: I think he might have used that on Daniel. I think that`s what he might have used that to stab him in the chest.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what about the surgical blade knife?

BEVER: I think that`s what (INAUDIBLE) with too. I think he used all of them. I only used one knife, the green one.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You only used the green one. And you`re sticking to that.

BEVER: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: With me now is Samantha Vicent, staff writer for the Tulsa World, also former FBI agent investigator Steve Moore, and trial attorney

Randy Kessler is with me.

Samantha, the unbelievable calm, cool, collected way he described slaughtering his family, I don`t understand this.

SAMANTHA VICENT, STAFF WRITER, TULSA WORLD: Michael did not testify (INAUDIBLE) although we did hear from his older brother Robert who

(INAUDIBLE) Robert spent part of Friday and part of (INAUDIBLE).

BANFIELD: You know what, Samantha, our Skype line with you is so bad. I want them to reestablish it because I want to hear what you`re saying. This

is such a confusing story in so many respects that two brothers would slaughter almost their entire family. Try to slaughter the whole family.

Two of them survived.

And I want you to hear what he told the investigators about how he got the little brothers to open two locked doors, a 7-year-old brother who`s behind

a bathroom door with his 5-year-old sister, and a 12-year-old brother you heard calling 911.

They were both behind locked doors. The 12-year-old in the office, the 7- year-old in the bathroom. And somehow Michael got them to open up the door. This is what he said to the interrogator about how he got them to do it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): You pleaded with -- I guess when they were locked in the bathroom and what room were they locked in?

BEVER: The bathroom. And right next to it is my dad`s office. Daniel locked himself in the office. And then I was like, I said, "help, Robert`s

after me," and they both opened up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): And which room did you go into?

BEVER: I went into the bathroom and I stabbed Christopher.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Just so calm and cool. He tricked his little siblings and then went on to tell these investigators. This was just the beginning. They

wanted to be spree killers, the best serial killers ever known. They wanted the highest count.

They were going to go gas station to restaurant, knocking off five people per location all the way across the United States with the cut up pieces of

their family in their vehicle in bins.

This is what they told the investigators. I want to show you a series of pictures, OK, what they found in Michael`s journal. It`s quite something to

behold. First of all, they`re all done in crayon and they look like they`re done by a 4-year-old.

They celebrate James Holmes, my hero. That`s one of the entries from the journal. And then celebrate as well not only James Holmes and the killings

of all those kids in the Colorado Theater, but they celebrate Jim Jones, who killed hundreds in Guyana back in the `80s. How these kids would even

know about Jim Jones?

And then there were the messages, hail Satan, that was one of the entries. And then a backward swastika saying, white power, again in crayon.

Assassin, spelled wrong. (INAUDIBLE), also spelled wrong. Mushroom cloud, again done like a 3-year-old. Forest fire, like a 3-year-old. Some kind of

death image, another kind of death image, yet another kind of death image with multiple wounds.

[18:45:00] I`m not sure if this is the Twin Towers, but it`s a dead person between two tall buildings. And again, two more buildings on fire.

Steve Moore, as an FBI agent, I don`t know what you make of someone like this. I don`t even know where to begin. I just want your thoughts on this

kind of an interview.

STEVE MOORE, FORMER FBI AGENT AND INVESTIGATOR, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT CONTRIBUTOR: When you`re in an interview like this, it is -- your job is

to keep them talking. And sometimes it`s very distasteful because if you start criticizing them or condemning their actions, then they`ll stop

talking. You`ll notice that these detectives are not saying anything critical of what they were doing. And that`s very hard, but it`s very

important to do.

And what you learn through these kind of interviews is that there are some people who just have nothing resembling compassion or humanity between

their ears.

BANFIELD: At all. At all. And by the way, that older brother was 18, fully eligible for the death penalty. He pled, Robert pled, while his little

brother didn`t. And that`s why perhaps his older brother didn`t (ph) get the death penalty, but sure could have.

Randy, I`m going to ask you to stay on, if you can. Actually, you know, Randy, maybe you can just -- how do you even defend that, that kid? By the

way, at 16 years old, that kid didn`t have any representative in there because his parents were dead. What do you do after that? As cops, is there

someone you`re supposed to bring in to give him his rights?

RANDY KESSLER, TRIAL ATTORNEY: The kids say thank goodness, there are laws that don`t let you have the death penalty. The last death penalty for minor

was in Oklahoma for a child who killed his parents. The U.S. Supreme Court said that`s no longer available. That`s the only thing they had going for

them. That`s why they don`t have the death penalty.

BANFIELD: OK. I have other questions about this in a moment, especially the fact that they wanted to be famous. Coming up after the break, I`m

going to play this moment for you in the interrogation room where he talked about why they wanted the death count to be so high. And again why

brothers, brothers would start this whole rampage off with their own family. And the photograph right after the fact. That`s next.

[18:50:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: We`re still talking about the Oklahoma teenager who slaughtered his whole family with the help of an older brother, two survived. Tonight,

the sickening evidence that was shown to a jury, that show just how he and his older brother planned it all out. And the gut-wrenching details that

will determine how long this guy is going to spend behind bars while his brother is already away for life with no parole.

My panel is still with me. Samantha, your Skype line was bad. I know we have you on the phone. There was a 2-year-old baby in the house as well

that did not -- that was not stabbed, but there was a plan for that baby. What was it?

VICENT (via telephone): The plan that was discussed during both the preliminary hearing and the trial was for the 2-year-old, she was actually

going to turn two four days from the homicide to be beheaded with an ax. But she was in the farthest room in an upstairs bedroom in the house. The

house was a pretty large house. All the bloodshed happened on the first floor.

BANFIELD: So they missed her. Maybe they forgot. Maybe they ran out of time because of the 911 call, the brave 911 call. Maybe they missed her.

But they did find a hatchet in the evidence. I want you to listen to Michael Bever`s interrogation, and why these two brothers wanted to do this

and do even more. Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): You only stabbed your family because they were in the way towards the bigger plan?

BEVER: Not -- not well. The reason we killed the family is because they were in the way, you know higher count.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): Just to start off with a big count?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): So this is all a game? This higher count, is this a game?

BEVER: It`s more like to kind a become famous and set a record.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Randy Kessler, the kid behind these kindergarten crayon pictures in his journal that they got from the jail, was 16 when he did that

interrogation. He was brought in, his parents are now dead, so they can`t be called.

But doesn`t the state owe him some sort of protective obligation before he`s questioned, because I could see an appeal saying, hey, he was only 16,

he can`t even begin to understand Miranda?

KESSLER: If that was the only thing they had on him, there may be a valid appeal. There`s so much evidence, no one else could have done it, the DNA

evidence, the fingerprints. I don`t imagine there would be an appeal. What`s interesting to me still is that U.S. Supreme Court cut out death

penalties.

Twenty-two people under 18 have been killed by death penalty until 2015. In Oklahoma, there was a 16-year-old. That was the youngest. And that`s gone

now. Unfortunately, the U.S. Supreme Court says under 18, no death penalty.

BANFIELD: Well, unfortunately or fortunately, depends how you look at it.

KESSLER: In this case --

BANFIELD: They`re kids too.

KESSLER: In this case --

BANFIELD: In this case, I hear you. You`re not going to find a lot of sympathy for someone like that. But he is a child and he could be very,

very sick. Clearly he`s very sick. Randy, stay with me, if you will.

That picture I showed you last week, turn that frown upside down. This woman is doing things backwards. Because she was accused of committing a

monstrous crime. And it seems like she finally realized it. Smiling in one, not so happy in her second mugshot.

[18:55:02] We`ll tell you why.

[19:00:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: One more thing for you tonight, courtesy of Anjanette Wellk. That Florida woman who showed up smiling after DUI crash and then ended up

killing a woman. She has got a new mug shot now. Only, she is not quite as happy as she used to be. And it might be, she is serious now because

she is facing manslaughter charges when maybe at the beginning when she took the first shot she was not. And that`s what happens.

Next hour of CRIME & JUSTICE starts right now.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD (voice-over): A gorgeous young teacher, shot to death.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wonderful girl, always bubbly. She had a personality out of this world.

BANFIELD: And hunting for her killer means talking to her boyfriends.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, there`s a lot of twists and turns, a lot of rumors.

BANFIELD: Like the one she started seeing before he was 17 and apparently his older brother too, and a third brother she was out with the same night

she died.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was receiving death threats in a recent time.

BANFIELD: Does the brothers` connection explain her death? And what did police find in the youngest brother`s house?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We took Amy on a lot of family vacations, a lot of family outings.

BANFIELD: She was their daughter`s best friend. But the dad may have been more than just friends.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was clear because of the way they would behave with each other.

BANFIELD: Is there any chance it was innocent?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He had rented an apartment four blocks away from Amy`s house.

BANFIELD: When he took off to Mexico with a 16-year-old girl.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t have full proof that there was sexual relationship, but I do know the conversation was inappropriate at the level

for being a father figure.

BANFIELD: A pair of murderous teenage brothers out to become notorious serial killers.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My brother`s attacking my family.

BANFIELD: The sickening spree began with their family, a horrifying massacre they had planned for months.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Knives, there was a hatchet, there were several different types of weapons that were actually used in the homicide.

BANFIELD: The grizzly evidence kept secret by police and now revealed in bloody detail.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Become famous and set a record.

BANFIELD: And the 12-year-old brother`s 911 call.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Help.

BANFIELD: The last words he would ever speak.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You stabbed him in the back. What has he ever done to you?

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: Good evening. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. This is the second hour of CRIME & JUSTICE.

The hunt for a killer is on after a stunning young teacher was shot dead, gunned down in her mom`s driveway, just after getting ice cream with

friends. And there might not be any official suspects in Rachael Deltondo`s death. But there is certainly no shortage of love interest.

Like the two brothers of the boy she was out with getting ice cream the night she died. Both of those brothers have been dating Rachael. Rasean

Bolton, the oldest one, told police, he and Rachael had been serious for months. So Sheldon Jeter, the youngest brother might have been seeing her

for much, much longer because relationship with started before he was 17, according to his lawyer.

Police just searched Sheldon`s house, that young brother, looking for a gun. They say the gun that killed Rachael. They wanted to know if it was

there. And while Sheldon seemingly knew Rachael`s whereabouts on that last night, out for her on the town, he says he was busy with other people.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MICHAEL SANTICOLA, SHELDON JETER JR.`S ATTORNEY: My client had nothing to do with this shooting. Quite the opposite, my client was friendly with

this person and has had a relationship with her for years on and off. There was never a problem between the two of them. We have all of those

people`s names. We have known all of them. They all will corroborate all the stories. He was with multiple people that night and during the day

that will verify that he was nowhere near the shooting at the time.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: But that youngest brother was near the oldest brother`s house, a couple of months earlier, showing up to confront her about lying to him,

and hanging out with big brother. That`s all according to big brother who is now sharing that story with police. All at the same time officers say

Rachael`s death might just be a crime of jealousy.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SANTICOLA: Absolutely ridiculous. There was no love triangle. There was no jealousy. There was no motive.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Joining me tonight on the phone is John Paul. He`s the founder and reporter for the "Beaver Countian," a publication following the story,

also Steven Fabian is a correspondent for "Inside Edition " He has been on the story starts to finish. And Michael Santicola is the attorney for the

17-year-old boy, who is not 17 anymore, Sheldon Jeter.

But let`s also talk about the law enforcement aspect with CNN law enforcement contributor and former FBI agent and investigator, Steven

Moore. He is here with us. And trial attorney Randy Kessler is here as well.

OK, Steve Fabian, I`m going to start with you. It is extraordinarily complicated, this story. But what might be most intriguing is the newest

detail in a multi-layered story. And that is that Rachael, the victim, gunned down in a hail of bullets in her mother`s driveway was not only

found in that car with a 17-year-old boy a couple years ago, she was also dating that boy`s older brother.

[19:05:43] STEVEN FABIAN, CORRESPONDENT, INSIDE EDITION: Right. There are a lot of layers to this story. A lot of characters. It`s hard to sort of

sort through. To break it down like this. Rachael Deltondo was engaged to somebody.

BANFIELD: A millionaire.

FABIAN: A millionaire. A man known as the wolf of Beaver County.

BANFIELD: Really?

FABIAN: Yes, because he has got his hands in many different industries in Pittsburgh and makes himself a lot of money.

BANFIELD: And she had a $10,000 wedding dress being made.

FABIAN: She had a $10,000 wedding being made. During the time she was engaged is when she has found in this car in the parking lot with steamed

up windows. We know she was found in this car with a teenager, Sheldon Jeter Jr. who we know from Sheldon`s attorney she had a relationship with.

BANFIELD: Multiyear, going back to when he was 16.

FABIAN: OK, right.

BANFIELD: That`s not legal.

FABIAN: Right. Now, also she had a fiance at the time, so she shouldn`t have necessary been involved --

BANFIELD: And that`s not moral.

FABIAN: Right. Now we find out that she also had a love relationship with this teenager who is now 20, his older brother, who has been interviewed by

police, not necessarily a suspect right now. No one has been named as a suspect. And he comes forward too and says I was dating her as well.

BANFIELD: She has got a multiyear relationship with the young one. She has got a multi-month relationship that`s recent with the old one.

FABIAN: Older one.

BANFIELD: And there`s a middle one, a middle brother who she is out for ice cream with on the night she dies.

FABIAN: On the night she was murdered. Now, it appears they were just friends. They were just hanging out, you know, acquaintances, had known

each other for a long time. It doesn`t clear if she has a love sort of relationship with that other brother, Tyrie.

BANFIELD: Yes. But now, the police have gone to the younger brother`s house. And they have serve a warrant. They said they were looking for a

.9 millimeter gun. What else did they find when they execute the warrant?

FABIAN: They were looking for a gun. Did not find a gun.

BANFIELD: Did not find the gun.

FABIAN: She was shot ten times. This was gruesome. This was a gruesome - -.

BANFIELD: An up close and personal, too, right?

FABIAN: Right. They were looking for a gun. Didn`t find a gun. They are also looking for any other clues.

BANFIELD: They took a play station.

FABIAN: They took a play station.

BANFIELD: They took notebooks.

FABIAN: They took some notebooks. They took some clothes.

BANFIELD: OK. But that`s an issue, the clothes. He says he gave up the clothes he was wearing that night. But they said not according to

surveillance because there was a light colored hoodie, and we don`t have that light colored hoodie.

FABIAN: Right. It appears as though when they went to Sheldon Jeter Jr.`s home, they said where were the clothes that you were wearing last night?

He said they are in this pile on the floor and he already took all those clothes. And you are right, we are seeing Sheldon in surveillance video

wearing something different, wearing a gray hooded sweatshirt. And the police were looking at that.

BANFIELD: I like gray. And that`s when they -- we don`t know if they had that.

FABIAN: Right.

BANFIELD: OK.

So, I want to move on to this other aspect, because it sounds all there is suspicious to had this three brothers, all with this relationship with this

Rachael Deltondo, sexual with the young one, sexual with the old one, ice cream with the middle one, all very strange. And then there`s the other

issue of alleged organized crime informant. Because that, if you believe what Rachael has been telling a local publication called the "Beaver

Countian" is what Rachael was, an informant about organized crime. And that`s where John Paul comes in.

We are going to take a whole other attack here, John Paul. And it is your attack. You say that your publication had been talking to Rachael Deltondo

for quite some time prior to her death, that she had been fearful that she would not make it past 2018 and that she had been informing to the

organized crime section of the Pennsylvania state attorney general`s office, and that she had been cooperating with an investigator, or at least

investigators with the Pennsylvania state police. What was she informed and cooperating about?

JOHN PAUL, FOUNDER/REPORTER, THE BEAVER COUNTIAN: Yes, specifically I want to be careful with my wording. I cannot confirm she was an informant, but

I can confirm she was on more than one occasion interviewed and cooperating in those interviews with investigators.

BANFIELD: Do you know what about though?

PAUL: The information that she had seemed to relate back to city government in the city of Aliquippa and individuals associated with it.

BANFIELD: Anything more detailed than that?

PAUL: That, at this point, is the furthest we have gone in our reporting. I can`t say that the "Beaver Countian" has a new reporting calling into

question exactly who is investigating this matter. The Beaver County district attorney said it`s being investigated with the Aliquippa police

department in conjunction with this county detective and the Pennsylvania state police.

My reporting tonight is the Pennsylvania state police have not been part of that investigative team, that they backed away from the investigation early

on, and have not been participating in any meetings with investigators from Aliquippa and the district attorney`s office.

[19:10:19] BANFIELD: OK.

PAUL: I`m also told by state police that their investigations into the Aliquippa City police department remain active and ongoing, which appears

to directly contradict public statements by the district attorney that those investigations have been closed. And as such, there was no conflict

in that city`s police department being involved in the investigation of this woman`s murder.

BANFIELD: So, John, what is the issue with the death threats? When you spoke with her and she told you that she was afraid she wouldn`t live past

2018, what was the nature of the threats that she said she had been receiving?

PAUL: She had been receiving -- she conveyed to me, as well as did her mother, that they had both been receiving threats via telephone that were

basically that she would not live to see the end of 2018. Those threats began sometime after the leak of sensitive information about her from law

enforcement databases by the Aliquippa police department.

BANFIELD: OK. So let`s be clear. If anyone is just joining this story, we have been going sort of through the layers of the story for about a week

and it`s very complicated.

Are you referring, John, to the leak of the police report from the night she was found in a steamy car with a 17-year-old after which the police

said nothing to see here, we are not charging her, nothing was going on, we now know she is having a long-term relationship with an underage minor, is

that the leak -- somebody leaked that to the media and to the school where she was fired.

PAUL: There was additional information included in that leak because we were one of the organizations that received it. Along with the police

report was sensitive information from law enforcement-only databases that contained things such as her driver`s license photo, a photograph of her

signature, driver`s license number, address, Social Security number, and other information. And that information came from a law enforcement-only

database that is strictly prohibited from being released to unauthorized individuals who are not law enforcement personnel.

BANFIELD: OK. The police say that that was because it was a clerical error. That was what their response was.

I want to bring Steve Moore into this, a former FBI agent and investigator, CNN law enforcement contributor. There`s another aspect, Steve, to this

case that got very weird tonight. The police officer who responded on the night that Rachael was gunned down, the police officer who came to the

scene, his daughter was with Rachael that night getting ice cream. He has been put on leave. The police said it`s because of course he would be put

on leave, his daughter was involved in this very traumatizing event. And yet, Steve, something weird happened. A warrant has been issued to his

wife, the police officer`s wife, the police want to see her Facebook posts. What do you make of that?

STEVE MOORE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT CONTRIBUTOR: Well, number one, you don`t get suspended when you have an interest or you know somebody involved in a

case. You just don`t. But you do get sequestered essentially. Suspending somebody is extraordinary. And what I have been hearing is that they are

suspending this guy so that there won`t be any questions about his use of information obtained from the police department. Well, that`s strange.

BANFIELD: So are you saying -- Steve, are you saying that -- first of all, Steve Fabian, it`s officially a suspension or he has been put on leave?

Which one is it?

FABIAN: He is on paid leave.

BANFIELD: He is on paid leave.

So Steve Moore, I don`t know if it`s the same thing. It might matter here. He is on paid leave. Is that not -- I mean, to me it sounds that`s normal

if you have a tangential interest in what`s happening. What I don`t think is normal is that your wife gets a subpoena for her Facebook posts. Does

it seem normal to you?

MOORE: No, that goes to this paid leave. And let me tell you, if you`re not allowed to come to work, it`s a suspension. I don`t care what you call

it.

BANFIELD: OK.

MOORE: And so if the police are serving a warrant on his wife, then she is a person of interest at some level. He can`t have access to any of this

information. There is something under the surface here. And what they want to know is, what are her public statements on this? Or her private

statements, say, on messenger? She apparently has information that would be relevant to this murder, whether she knows she does or not.

BANFIELD: OK. I want to bring in Michael Santicola now. And again it`s very complicated. So as the flowchart goes, Michael, you are the attorney

for Sheldon Jeter, that youngest brother, the 17-year-old caught in the steamy car, you have already, you know, confirmed to us that your client

and this teacher, who is now dead, had been in a long, years-long relationship before he was 17, which would take him to at least 16.

I want to read, if I can, for our audience, Michael, some of the conversations that his oldest brother Rasean was also having a relationship

with Rachael told police, and this is the oldest brother`s account to police of things your client, his little brother, said to him when that

little brother came upon the two of them together.

So little brother comes upon older brother with Rachael, his former girlfriend, and is not happy about it. This is what Rasean said.

According to Rasean to the police he said his little brother said why are you calling me, bro, you never call, you are weird as "f." He also says to

the police that his little brother, Sheldon, looked at Rachael and said that "b" told me she was with Amy as supposed to maybe being with you,

older brother. And then this might be the most damning. Sheldon the older brother says to the police that his little brother said to him, basically

looking right at Rachael, if my brother wasn`t here, I would "f" you up.

So those are the kinds of that speak to motive and obviously, would get police saying we need to look into that youngest brother Sheldon who made

that kind of a threat. How do you answer to those kinds of threats? Or do you say that Rasean`s lying about his little brother, your client?

[19:16:34] SANTICOLA: Well. Listen, first of all, that conversation happened over a year ago. That wasn`t something that happened just a few

months ago, if it happened at all. The rendition that police have given I believe is contradicted by my client. And, actually, the brother as well.

Because the context of that conversation was not threatening. It was more a conversation between brothers.

They have remained close, the brothers have remained close. They have never had a problem with one another. Not to mention the fact that my

client and Ms. Deltondo have been friends and remained friends well a year plus after this alleged incident. You know, they have been on again, off

again, very casual relationships. You can see that if you look at their phones.

BANFIELD: But I can see other people saying that would cause jealousy too.

Real quickly. We talked earlier, Steven Fabian mentioned the evidence earlier. So Michael, what about that evidence? That the police see the

clothes that your client was wearing on the night Rachael died, but apparently, the surveillance showed it wasn`t the same hoodie. That there

was some missing light colored hoodie. Do you know, if the light color hoodie had now been turned over to police?

SANTICOLA: Listen. I believe that`s a police mistake on why they didn`t get that hoodie in the first place. You know, a person that doesn`t have

everything to hide would give them everything they`ve asked for. And that`s what Sheldon has done. Everything they have asked for he has given

them. Everything they have looked at has shown that he was not involved. They have had two sets of clothing. It showed no gunshot residue. Nothing

on it whatsoever.

BANFIELD: I need to leave at that.

SANTICOLA: A car completely clean. They have no gun. They have friendly cell phone messages. And, you know, phone calls back and forth.

BANFIELD: I`ll have to have you back because the story gets more and more complicated by the night. But -- I mean, it is a lot to talk about and I

appreciate it.

I do want to thank my guests.

I also have this. Tonight, there is a wife of a married dad who allegedly ran off to Mexico with a 16-year-old. And she is speaking out and saying

she is not entirely sure that relationship was sexual. Really?

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:23:21] BANFIELD: He had her for almost two weeks. His own teenage daughter`s best friend. Now the Pennsylvania father of four is facing

charges for it after whisking 16-year-old Amy Yu off to Mexico. His name is Kevin Esterly. He is also facing a lot of criticism from the woman he

had been married to for almost as long as Amy had been alive, and that would be his wife Stacey.

Stacey, scorned Stacey, who just went on Dr. Phil to talk all about the red flags with this husband, and to air just a little bit of dirty laundry too.

Though Stacey just simply could not seem to say that her husband had been sexual with that 16-year-old girl.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you believe that their relationship is sexual?

STACEY ESTERLY, WIFE OF SUSPECT: I don`t. It`s so hard because, like I said, we have been married for 14 years. I did question it once to him,

and to her. I had asked her, did Kevin ever touch you? And she`s like, oh, my goodness, why would you ever ask me that? You know, he is my dad.

I said, OK, I just had to ask you that. And I asked him, and he would always say, she is 16 years old. She is my daughter. Why would I ever do

that? And like I said, there`s so many questions. I don`t -- I don`t have proof that they were sexual.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: But there`s a difference between having proof of sex with a teenager, and just knowing that something isn`t right. And Stacey knew

something wasn`t right especially after it was reveal that Kevin had been checking Amy out of her high school and Kevin had rented an apartment right

around the corner from her home.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

[19:25:16] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you said inappropriate, if you didn`t think it was sexual, what did you mean by inappropriate?

ESTERLY: I don`t know. I mean, I don`t have full proof that there was sexual relationship. But I do know the conversation was inappropriate at

the level for being a father figure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How did you define inappropriate?

ESTERLY: Just him telling her how good she looks. I mean, I went through our call log for our cell phones. There would be hours upon hours that

they would be on the phone together, and that`s not normal for a father/daughter relationship.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: No, it isn`t.

I want to bring in Solomon Jones, morning host on Praise 107.9 FM, also Amy Yu`s mother Mui Yu is with us, alongside her attorney Everett Cook and

trial attorney Randy Kessler is also with me.

Solomon, let me begin with you, the list of charges against Kevin, include interference with custody of a child, and that is felony, concealment of

whereabouts of a child, that`s a felony, and corruption of a minor, that`s a misdemeanor. And we don`t know if the corruption of a minor has to do

with sex. In fact, nothing in these charges has to do with sex. So is that why, perhaps, Stacey, Kevin`s long suffering wife isn`t 100 percent

convinced this relationship was sexual?

SOLOMON JONES, MORNING HOST, PRAISE 107.9 FM: I think you have to feel for the wife. I think you have to understand that they have been married for

14 years. They have four daughters, not just children, four daughters themselves, ages two, seven, 11 and 14. And I think that she is going

through a process where she is trying to accept that this could have been and probably was, a sexual type of relationship.

And so I think she`s just working through her feelings at this point. It`s not anything to do with the charges. I think it`s her personal feelings

having had this child in her house, having had her with them on vacations, on sleepovers. Having known her for half her life. I think she is trying

to come to grips with what she believes this is.

BANFIELD: Sometimes it`s willful blindness and sometimes it`s just self- preservation. Whatever it is you look right into the eyes of the person talking. You try and figure it out for yourself. So once again, I want

you take a look at Stacey Esterly, the wife of Kevin Esterly who is facing a lot of ballistic (ph) problems for having a scanned off to Mexico with a

16-year-old. He was checking this 16-year-old out of school illegally, allegedly. Have a listen to Stacey on Dr. Phil.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ESTERLY: I honestly can`t say one way or another, but in my heart, I don`t want to believe that they were sexual. And I`m hoping that this was just

infatuation with him trying to help her as a father figure. And he got sucked into something, and I don`t know. I don`t have the answers.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Well, maybe the answers are coming out in the evidence that we know of so far. And it`s kind of bizarre. Think of a grown man with a

whole family having so much to do with this little 16-year-old friend of his daughter. He tracked Amy`s telephone, even though he was confronted by

Amy`s family, continued seeing her, he rented this apartment from a family friend, saying to the family friend that he need the apartment for his 19-

year-old affair -- his affair with his 19-year-old girlfriend. He allegedly took $4,000 from Stacey leaving her with 28 cents and then went

to Mexico. And apparently, he called Stacey from jail, but not for a whole two weeks he sit in the can. And this is what Stacey had to say about

that.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ESTERLY: He said thank you for accepting my call.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you said --

ESTERLY: And I said did you get the papers that I filed? He never once apologized, never once, you know, said he was sorry. All he said was when

he gets out he will explain the whole story.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

I want to bring in Amy Yu`s mom, Mui Yu.

Mui, do you believe Kevin Esterly`s wife when she says she is just not sure if her husband had a sexual relationship with your daughter?

MUI YU, AMY YU`S MOTHER: Yes.

BANFIELD: You believe her? You believe that she`s not sure, or do you think she`s not telling the truth?

EVERETT COOK, ATTORNEY RO AMY YU`S MOTHER: If I may, I have had some conversation with Mui about this question. And I think we made it clear,

the civil complaint that we filed, we believe there was the sexual relationship between Kevin Esterly and Amy. I think that`s -- I think the

facts show that pretty clearly.

BANFIELD: Yes. Has Amy come home yet? Because the last time we covered the story, she was at a -- at a juvenile center for kids at risk and there

was an estrangement of sorts. What`s the circumstance now?

COOK: Still an estrangement with the family. We can`t comment on Amy`s whereabouts. Obviously, the court`s involved with that and she has counsel

of her own. I don`t represent Amy. But mother and daughter are still estranged at this point.

BANFIELD: And that`s got to be heart-breaking for you, Mui. It`s been two and a half months since she left for Mexico. She came back March 17th. If

she`s listening, Mui, is there something you want to say to Amy?

MUI LUU, MOTHER OF AMY: I don`t know.

COOK: This is difficult for mom. If Amy were -- if Amy were out there listening to this show, is there one thing you`d like to say to her?

LUU: I don`t know how to say.

COOK: I know Mui`s concern for her daughter`s well-being and for her safety. She`s expressed that to me many times and she hopes things are

getting better and she hopes to be reunited with her sometime soon.

LUU: Yes, right.

BANFIELD: Mui, do you -- do you miss Amy?

LUU: Yes.

BANFIELD: And does Amy -- do you think Amy wants to come home?

LUU: I hope her to come home, yes.

BANFIELD: Everett, Amy took $10,000, presumably, from her family, before leaving for Mexico. Did they recover that $10,000?

COOK: My understanding is that it has not been recovered. Now, keep in mind, they were apprehended in Mexico. So, this wasn`t on U.S. soil,

obviously. But no, we`re not aware of that money being recovered at this point in time. That being said, I represent Mui civilly. I`m not privy to

what the district attorney`s office or the criminal side of the investigation has knowledge of. But no, we`re not aware of it being

recovered.

BANFIELD: It`s such an uncomfortable story, and I feel for Mui. Mui, I understand this is difficult for you and I appreciate you and your bravery

for coming on T.V. and I -- and I wish you the best. I wish you a happy reunion at some point, you know, for your family. Everett, thank you for

helping her get through this as well. I really appreciate that, too. And my thanks to Solomon Jones for helping us sort through some of these

uncomfortable facts in this story.

We have this as well, a chilling words of a convicted teenage killer, describing how he, alongside his brother, targeted and then slaughtered

their own family.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MICHAEL BEVER, DEFENDANT: And then, I was like -- I said, "Help, Robert`s after me," and they both opened up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In which room did you go?

BEVER: I ran into the bathroom, just, you know, and stabbed Christopher.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Christopher is just seven and his little sister is just five, and that`s just the beginning. And it`s also not all Michael Bever had to

say about Robert, his brother and his killing sprees. Wait until you hear what they`re happy to admit to.

[19:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: Tonight in Oklahoma, there are two teenage boys who are sleeping behind bars. They used to sleep in a bed in a full house with their mom

and their dad and their two brothers and their three sisters. But now almost that entire family is dead because those two teenage brothers

stabbed all of them. And tonight we know just how it all happened, thanks to a strange and gruesome release of evidence from 16-year-old Michael

Bever`s judge. Evidence that up until now had been kept secret for years. Chief among the evidence, the chilling 911 call that one of those little

victims, Michael`s 12-year-old brother made to the police just minutes before he was slaughtered.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DISPATCHER: 911.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Help.

DISPATCHER: Broken Arrow 911.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Help.

DISPATCHER: Hello?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Help.

DISPATCHER: Hi. Where are you at?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Broken Arrow, Oklahoma.

DISPATCHER: Are you the only one there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, my brother`s attacking my family.

DISPATCHER: Your dad is attacking your family?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, my brother. Help.

DISPATCHER: OK, who is attacking your family?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What?

DISPATCHER: Who`s attacking your family?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

DISPATCHER: Who is it?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

DISPATCHER: Do they have ...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

[19:40:02] BANFIELD: That is the last call that that little boy, that little victim ever made, one innocent victim out of many that his two older

brothers planned to slaughter in cold blood. It was a plan that Michael Bever told police all about, involving his brother Robert. These were in

interviews that were shown to a jury before the jury found Michael guilty of five counts of first degree murder. That jury recommended life in

prison. His brother Robert got life, no parole.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What about the big knife, the machete? Did that get used on somebody?

BEVER: I think he might have used that -- I think that`s what he used to stab him in the chest.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what about the surgical blade knife?

BEVER: I think that`s what (INAUDIBLE) with too. I think he used all of them. I only used one knife, the green one.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You only used the green one.

BEVER: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you`re sticking to that.

BEVER: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: With me now is Samantha Vicent, staff writer for the Tulsa World, also, former FBI Agent Investigator Steve Moore, and Trial Attorney

Randy Kessler is with me. Samantha, the unbelievable calm, cool, collected way he described slaughtering his family, I don`t understand this.

SAMANTHA VICENT, STAFF WRITER, TULSA WORLD (via skype): Michael did not testify, in his (INAUDIBLE) although, we did hear from his older brother

Robert who (INAUDIBLE) multiple (INAUDIBLE). I mean, Robert spent part of Friday and part of (INAUDIBLE).

BANFIELD: You know what, Samantha, our Skype -- our Skype line with you is so bad. I want them to re-establish it because I want to hear what you`re

saying. This is such a confusing story in so many respects that two brothers would slaughter almost their entire family, try to slaughter the

whole family. Two of them survived. And I want you to hear what he told the investigators about how he got the little brothers to open two locked

doors, a 7-year-old brother who`s behind a bathroom door with his 5-year- old sister, and a 12-year-old brother you heard calling 911. They were both behind locked doors. The 12-year-old in the office, the 7-year-old in

the bathroom, and somehow Michael got them to open up the door. This is what he said to the interrogator about how he got them to do it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You pleaded with -- I guess when they were locked in the bathroom, and what other room were they locked in?

BEVER: The bathroom and there right next to it is my dad`s office. Daniel locked himself in the office. And then, I was like, I said, "Help,

Robert`s after me," and they both opened up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And which room did you go?

BEVER: I ran into the bathroom, just, you know, and stabbed Christopher.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Just so calm and cool. He tricked his little siblings and then went on to tell these investigators, this was just the beginning. They

wanted to be spree killers, the best serial killers ever known. They wanted the highest count. They were going to go gas station to restaurant,

knocking off five people per location all the way across the United States with the cut up pieces of their family in their vehicle in bins. This is

what they told the investigators.

I want to show you a series of pictures, OK. What they found in Michael`s journal, it`s quite something to behold. First of all, they`re all done in

crayon and they look like they`re done by a 4-year-old. But they celebrate James Holmes, my hero. That`s one of the entries from the journal. And

then, celebrate as well, not only James Holmes and the killer -- killings of all those kids in the Colorado Theater, but they celebrate Jim Jones who

killed hundreds in Guyana back in the 80s. How these kids would even know about Jim Jones?

Then, there were the messages, "hail, Satan," that was one of the entries, and then, a backwards swastika, saying, "white power," again, in crayon,

"assassin," spelled wrong, "guillotine," also spelled wrong, "mushroom cloud," again, done like a 3-year-old, "forest fire," like a 3-year-old,

some kind of death image, another kind of death image, yet another kind of death image with multiple wounds. I`m not sure if this is the Twin Towers,

but it`s a dead person between two tall buildings, and again, two more buildings on fire.

Steve Moore, as an FBI agent, I don`t know what you make of someone like this. I don`t even know where to begin. I just want your thoughts on this

kind of an interview.

STEVE MOORE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT CONTRIBUTOR: When you`re in an interview like this, it is -- your job is to keep them talking. And sometimes it`s

very distasteful because if you start criticizing them or condemning their actions, then, they`ll stop talking. You`ll notice that these detectives

are not saying anything critical of what they were doing. And that`s very hard, but it`s very important to do. And what you learn through these kind

of interviews is that there are some people who just have nothing resembling compassion or humanity between their ears.

[19:45:07] BANFIELD: At all, at all. And by the way, that older brother was 18, fully eligible for the death penalty. He pled, Robert pled, while

his little brother didn`t, and that`s why -- perhaps his older brother didn`t get the death penalty, but sure could have.

Randy, I`m going to ask you to stay on if you can. Actually, you know, Randy, maybe you could just -- how do you even defend that, that kid? And

by the way, at 16 years old, that kid didn`t have any representative in there because his parents were dead. What do you do after that? As cops,

is there someone you`re supposed to bring in to give him his rights?

RANDY KESSLER, TRIAL ATTORNEY: You know what, the kids say thank goodness, there are laws that don`t let you have the death penalty. The last death

penalty for a minor was in Oklahoma for a child who killed his parents. The U.S. Supreme Court said that`s no longer available. That`s the only

thing that they had going for them, and that`s why they don`t have the death penalty.

BANFIELD: OK, I have other questions about this in a moment, especially the fact that they wanted to be famous.

Coming up after the break, I`m going to play this moment for you in the -- in the interrogation room where he talked about why they wanted the death

count to be so high. And again, why brothers, brothers would start this whole rampage off with their own family. And the photographs right after

the fact, that`s next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:51:14] BANFIELD: We`re still talking about the Oklahoma teenager who slaughtered his whole family with the help of an older brother, two

survived. Tonight, the sickening evidence that was shown to a jury that showed just how he and his older brother planned it all out, and the gut-

wrenching details that will determine how long this guy`s going to spend behind bars while his brother is already away for life no parole.

My panel is still with me. Samantha, your Skype line was bad. I know we have you on the phone, there was a 2-year-old baby in that house, as well,

that did not -- that was not stabbed but there was a plan for that baby. What was it?

VICENT: The plan that was discussed during both the preliminary hearing and the trial was for the 2-year-old, she was actually going to turn two,

four days from the homicide to be beheaded with an axe. But she was in the furthest room in an upstairs bedroom in the house, the house was a pretty

large house. All the bloodshed happened on the first floor. And --

BANFIELD: So, they missed her. Maybe they forgot. Maybe they ran out of time because of the 911 call, the brave 911 call. Maybe they missed her,

but they did find a hatchet in the evidence.

I want you to listen to Michael Beaver`s interrogation and why, why these two brothers wanted to do this and do even more. Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You only stabbed your family because they were in the way towards the bigger plan?

BEVER: Not -- well, the reason we just had to killed the family is because they were in the way (INAUDIBLE) you know, higher count.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just to start off with a big count?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So, is this all a game? The higher count (INAUDIBLE) is this a game?

BEVER: It`s a -- more like to kind of a become famous and get -- you know, set a record.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Randy Kessler, the kid behind these kindergarten crayon pictures and this journal that they got from the -- from the jail was 16 when he did

that interrogation. He was brought in. His parents were now dead so they can`t be called. But doesn`t the state owe him some sort of protective

obligation before he is questioned? Because I could see an appeal saying, hey, he was only 16. He can`t even begin to understand Miranda.

KESSLER: You know, if that was the only thing they had on him, then, maybe they`ll be a valid appeal. It sounds like they had so much evidence. I

mean, there was no one else that could have done. It was, you know, the DNA evidence, the fingerprints. You know, I don`t even imagine there would

be an appeal. What`s interesting, to me, still is that the U.S. Supreme Court cut out death penalties. 22 people under 18 have been killed by

death penalty until 2015. In Oklahoma, there is a 16-year-old, that was the youngest, and that`s gone now. And unfortunately, the U.S. Supreme

Court says, "under 18, no death penalty."

BANFIELD: Well, unfortunately or fortunately, depends on how you look at it.

KESSLER: Well, in this case --

BANFIELD: (INAUDIBLE) mistake, you know.

KESSLER: In this case, I think --

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: In this case, I hear you. You`re not going to find a lot of sympathy for someone like that. But he is a child and he could be very,

very sick. Clearly, he`s very sick. Randy, stay with me if you will.

Remember that picture I showed you last week? They say turn that frown upside down. But this woman is doing things backwards because she was

accused of committing a monstrous crime and it seems like she may have finally realized it. Smiling in one and not so happy in her second mug

shot. We`ll tell you why.

[19:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: "ONE MORE THING" for you tonight, a drunk-driving suspect tries to save face. Angenette Welk for showed up like this after a DUI that

ended up being fatal. And now, that she`s sobered up, the vibe is a little different because this is mug shot number two, and that more than likely is

because she`s been slapped with manslaughter charges. Big difference. Good reason.

We`ll see you back here again tomorrow night after 6:00 Eastern. Thanks so much for watching. "FORENSIC FILES" begins right now.

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