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Trump Says "Spygate" Could be One of Biggest Political Scandals Ever; Kilauea Gushing Lava and Toxic Gas Three Weeks On; Irish Voters Split Over Relaxing Abortion Laws; Zuckerberg Meets with Macron After Grilling by EU Lawmakers; Experimental Vaccine Distributed in Congo; Unai Emery Officially Unveiled as Arsenal's New Coach. Aired 11a-12n ET
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[11:00:00] BECKY ANDERSON, CNN HOST: I am Becky Anderson. You are watching CONNECT THE WORLD. A very warm welcome.
He is North Korea summit hangs in the balance in a promised trade deal with China is hitting major snags. But Donald Trump's big focus it seems this
morning is an unproven conspiracy that he has now dubbed "Spygate." U.S. president firing off -- yes, new tweets. Accusing the criminal deep state,
in his words. His own FBI of engineering and unprecedented spy scandal as it looked into his associates ties with Russia. Mr. Trump is essentially
changing the headlines from the Russia investigation to the investigators themselves. Claiming the FBI's use of confidential informant during the
campaign amounts to a political conspiracy.
We're going to break this down with White House reporter Stephen Collinson. Standing by in Seoul on the will they/won't they meet summit is Ivan
Watson. Coming to you shortly, Ivan.
Now Stephen, a political conspiracy, says Trump. He calls it "Spygate." Explain what is going on and whether he has a point at this point.
STEPHEN COLLINSON, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Becky, for all the unusual and unconventional happenings that have taken place in this presidency,
this is barely believable even for President Trump. What we have is a President of the United States who is picking up a conspiracy theory that's
not based in fact from his cheerleaders and polemicists and conservative media that there was a spy implanted by the FBI in his election campaign to
thwart his election and turning it into a tool to attack the judicial and intelligence institutions of his own government and to try and undermine
the Mueller probe.
The President has tried all along to discredit the eventual findings of special counsel, Robert Mueller, into the question of election interference
and whether there was collusion with Russia from among his campaign, but I think this is reaching a new intensity right now and it's quite something
to see, you know, in a country that is the most important nation in the liberal democratic world to see a President undertaking this kind of
ANDERSON: Let me get back to this story. Hold your thought, as it were. Because I do want to just get to Ivan on this summit. Maybe he will, maybe
he won't meet Kim Jong-un, that is. As we listen to what is going on in Washington, the rest of the world's attention, perhaps, if they care at
all, and one hopes they do, would likely be on a much wider story of the North Korea summit that is due to be held June the 12th. What do we know
about that at present, Ivan, and from Seoul's perspective, just how important is it that that meeting goes ahead?
IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: What we've heard from the U.S. side is that the preparations are still under way, that hotel
ballrooms are being looked at in Singapore for June 12th for when this potentially very historic meeting is scheduled to take place. But we know
that North Korea has threatened to pull out last week complaining about joint U.S./South Korean air defense drills. And then we heard President
Trump speaking along the South Korean President in the White House saying there was a quite very substantial chance that it won't work out.
His new Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, has been much more optimistic, Becky, and he's been speaking to lawmakers in Congress in front of the
House foreign affairs committee, and revealing a little bit more insight about his most recent 90-minute face-to-face meeting with Kim Jong-un.
During which he said that he made it unambiguous the U.S. is expecting denuclearization from North Korea. Take a listen to what more he had to
say about that exchange with the North Korean leader.
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MIKE POMPEO, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: In return he made it clear it was important to him that when that time came, when those objectives have been
achieved that he in return would receive economic help from America in the form of private sector businesses, knowledge now know from others perhaps,
contributions, foreign assistance and the like.
[11:05:03] And that he wanted security assurances from the world, the end of the status that sits between the South and North Korea, with the
eventual goal of there being a peace treaty. Those were the objectives we discussed.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WATSON: And worth noting that President Trump while saying the meeting might not take place, he also dangled security guarantees to the North
Korean leader. Remarkable, considering the U.S. President promising to keep the North Korean dictator safe -- Becky.
ANDERSON: Yes, he's giving Kim Jong-un a personal guarantee if Donald Trump says an agreement is reached. Let's have a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I will guarantee his safety. Yes, we will guarantee his safety. And we've talked about that from the
beginning. He will be safe. He will be happy. His country will be rich. His country will be hard-working and very prosperous. They're very great
people. They are hard-working great people.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ANDERSON: Ivan, some taking that to mean guaranteeing his safety for life. Your analysis?
WATSON: Well, I mean, it's a pledge, and the problem is that this is the same administration where the national security adviser was floating the
Libya model. Which angered the North Koreans last week and kind of put the bump in the road in the possible Singapore summit. The North Koreans very
aware that Muammar Gadhafi made a deal with the U.S. government to hand over his weapons of mass destruction program. And a decade later the U.S.
turned on him and supported the same rebels who dragged him out of a gutter and shot him dead. So, the North Koreans do not like that comparison. The
Trump administration has had to backtrack a little bit from that while also pulling out of a nuclear deal with Iran. So, a guarantee of safety to a
dictator might not last as long as one administration if the last example of President Obama's Iran nuclear deal is any example -- Becky.
ANDERSON: Stephen, same question to you before we move back to what is going on in Washington specifically today. What do you make of that Trump
guarantee and its scope, as it were?
COLLINSON: I think what it shows is the perils of jumping directly into a face-to-face summit between Donald Trumps and Kim Jong-un, before the
administration has got its ducks in a row in terms of policy, and before even the president is fully familiar with all the issues. It seems that
often President Trump is learning the complexity and the intricacies of this North Korean face-off that the United States has been having over 70
years as he goes along. So, it looks like what he meant to say is that North Korea would get security guarantees after a nuclear deal. That's
fairly conventional. That could be a peace treaty, for example.
But the way that he speaks and the lack of precision that he uses, that sort of then aligned with his desire to get Kim Jong-un to the table, and
he's saying things like, well, he's going to be very happy. He's going to be very rich. So, exactly what the U.S. position is on all of these issues
is unclear. As Ivan said, you've got John Bolton, the national security advisor, talking about the Libya model. You've got the Secretary of State,
Mike Pompeo, who's basically arguing that Kim has made a strategic choice and is a new generation of North Korean leaders and the old difficulties of
dealing with North Korea don't apply. And you have the President who comes out every few days and says contradictory things sometimes in the same
press op. So, it's very difficult to really settle on what the U.S. position is, and that's probably something that the North Koreans are
struggling with, too.
ANDERSON: To both of you, thank you.
ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.
ANDERSON: Let me get you to this breaking news. The State Department in the U.S. issuing a health alert in China after an American government
employee there, reported symptoms which indicate a mild brain injury. Well, these symptoms include, quote, abnormal sensations of sound and
pressure. Matt Rivers joining us now from Beijing with more on what we are learning. The U.S. Secretary of State just offering comments on this.
Seemingly, at least, to put it as part of an emerging pattern it seems. Explain.
[11:10:00] MATT RIVERS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, well we first found out about this here in China when the U.S. embassy sent out an e-mail, a health
warning to U.S. citizens all over the country. Basically, saying that a government employee based in Guangzhou, it had some of those symptoms that
you just described for months. Starting in late last year and going through April. And just last week, that employee back in the United States
was diagnosed with this mild traumatic brain injury.
And that got us interested because we've heard this kind of thing before, the symptoms, the diagnosis, that's similar to what happened in Cuba last
year. Something the State Department is still trying to figure out. But at the time what they were saying is around two dozen different U.S.
diplomats and their family members experienced some of the same symptoms you just described. Hearing things, abnormal sensations of sounds and
pressure, having certain traumatic brain injuries. And so now, it appears we are seeing something similar and the State Department apparently agrees
that there are similarities there. Let's listen to the Secretary of State just a short time ago.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
POMPEO: We had an incident in Guangzhou that was that the medical indications are very similar and entirely consistent with the medical
indications that have taken place to Americans working in Cuba. We are working to figure out what took place both in Havana and now in China as
well. We've asked the Chinese for their assistance in doing that.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
RIVERS: And so, there's a ton of confusion here on both sides of the world, Becky, in China, in Cuba. The State Department doesn't really know
what's going on. They're not accusing the Chinese of perpetrating this, at least publicly. They said they've asked the Chinese for their help here,
but still this is concerning enough that they are going to investigate what is going on. And whether they can come up with any sort of answer that
would be more satisfying and conclusive than what they have been able to do in Cuba, that remains to be seen.
ANDERSON: Matt Rivers is in Beijing for you. Thanks, Matt.
To Hawaii's Big Island where Mount Kilauea is still spewing toxic gas and chunks of searing lava into the sky. Look at this. You are looking and
hearing what is going on live. The fire-breathing monster, that's only one way to explain it really, exploded again on Tuesday. The lava flow now
threatening a geothermal power plant we are told. Officials are trying to prevent possible explosions by filling underground wells with cold water.
Scott McLean has been on the ground now for days. He joins us once again from Pahoa in Hawaii. Tell us, what are you hearing about the very latest
on what we see in these images?
SCOTT MCLEAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Sure, Becky. Between the gas, the earthquakes and, of course, the lava itself there's no shortage of danger
here on the southern part of the Big Island. The latest, you touched on it, it's the geothermal plant. Officials held a meeting with the community
yesterday to try to calm some of the fears in this community.
Essentially, they are saying that it is not an immediate threat for two reasons. They've managed to cap or at least neutralize all of those
geothermal wells at this point, and the lava is two or three kilometers away from any potential danger there. So, for right now there is no real
danger. But some of these fissures they continue to bubble up shooting high into the sky, others are actually slowing down.
Like one fissure that caused an injury here at Kilauea. It flung a lava bomb at a gentleman named Darryl Clinton. We actually met him before this
happened and we spoke to him afterwards as well. That lava bomb seemed to shatter part of his leg. He's got a rod in there. He'll be off his feet
for quite some time, he's already had two surgeries and he'll probably need a couple of more. But he is in remarkably good spirits probably because he
knows he got lucky. Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MCLEAN: I wonder if you recognize the fact that had this of hit you somewhere else you might be dead?
DARRYL CLINTON, RESIDENT: Yes, I have thought about it a couple times and it just scares me to think about it. It could have also missed me and went
between my legs, too. I think about that more. Wouldn't that have been nice?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MCLEAN: Here's what is more amazing about this gentleman, Becky, and that he was there protecting two houses that were close to one of these
fissures, but they weren't even his, they belonged to friends of his. I asked if he regretted being there. He said, he regrets getting hurt but he
doesn't regret protecting those houses. And to his credit after more than a week of near sleepless nights trying to put out fires at that house from
these incoming lava bombs, those houses are still standing, though pretty banged up.
[11:15:09] ANDERSON: Our man on the ground there. Those images absolutely remarkable and the impact they are having on people's lives. Thank you.
Before we move on, let's take a current look at current lava flow. The rivers of fire have engulfed wide areas since the Kilauea volcano began
erupting three weeks ago.
Still to come tonight, we're going to take you to Ireland, a country divided over the issue of abortion and whether to legalize it. That is up
ANDERSON: Heading home to cast their votes. The legalization of same-sex marriage in Ireland almost exactly three years ago was a moment of change
and great joy for many. With Ireland becoming the first state in the world to introduce it through a popular vote. Now Irish voters preparing to yet
again decide on an issue seen as a litmus test of how liberal the country is becoming. This time to overturn an effective ban on abortion.
On Friday, they'll be asked whether they support or oppose repealing the eighth amendment in the Constitution that guarantees the right to life of
the unborn. And controversially gives fetuses and unborn children, the same rights as the women carrying them. Ireland is one of the handfuls of
European countries with strict abortion laws. Worldwide around 60 countries provide legal access to the procedure.
So, what is the exact legal situation right now in Ireland? At the moment abortion is allowed if a woman's life is in danger, including the risk of
suicide. If the yes side wins in this referendum, the government is expected to legislation for abortion on demand up to 12 weeks.
[11:20:00] And it's that prospect that has divided the formally staunchly Catholic nation. Some warning that liberal elites are underestimating
conservative rural voters at their peril. Atika Shubert filed this report.
ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Canvassing for votes to repeal Ireland's ban on abortions, but on this issue voters in Ireland are
M-A DJERIBI, CAMPAIGNER, LEITRIM TOGETHER FOR YES: What we get is -- what I found anyways -- you get people who have had an abortion, to young women,
and certainly they still believe that they can talk about it. We were almost hit by a guy who said, you should be ashamed, you should not be
SHUBERT (on camera): Really?
SHUBERT (voice-over): On May 25th voters here will choose whether or not to repeal a controversial constitutional amendment that makes it illegal
for women to get an abortion in Ireland. In cities like Dublin the yes vote to repeal the ban seems to resonate more especially with women hoping
for change like Lucy Watmough.
LUCY WATMOUGH, ABORTION RIGHTS CAMPAIGNER: When I had my abortion, it wasn't spoken about. I didn't know anybody else that had one, and now so
many people are speaking out. So many people are sounding off for this. They still want to see change.
SHUBERT: Your experience as a teenager forced to leave the country to seek an abortion is why she wants to see change.
WATMOUGH: I felt like it was my fault, and I felt I must have done something wrong. I felt dirty because I had to leave, but there was a
brief moment leaving Ireland and looking out the window in Dublin and going this is wrong.
SHUBERT: But the young female vote cannot be taken for granted. Some like Katie Ascough are determined to keep the abortion ban in place.
KATIE ASCOUGH, SPOKESWOMAN, LOVEBOTH CAMPAIGN: I completely agree that we need to support women better in this country, but I do not think the answer
is to intentionally end lives in the process.
SHUBERT: In rule Leitrim prolife campaigners have balloons, pamphlets and a plastic model fetus on display to convince voters to keep abortion
EILIS DOLAN, CAMPAIGNER, COS LEITRIM CARES: If the baby is viable, in other words, if it will survive outside the womb then both mother and baby
are saved. Isn't that a wonderful piece of legislation? So, you would ask yourself, why would that have to be removed.
SHUBERT: Campaigners here are targeting more conservative voters, but also men who oppose abortion. And they say are being overlooked in the national
CLARAN TRACEY, CAMPAIGNER, COS LEITRIM CARES: What is the impact of the repeal on the man's rights? Now we talk about the women's right, we talk
about female bodily integrity, we talk about female reproductive rights, and there's no mention of the male reproductive rights.
SHUBERT: From city streets to country roads, it is a fierce fight to the ballot box. Polls have narrowed, and many voters remain undecided. The
one thing both sides can agree on is that no vote can be taken for granted. Atika Shubert, CNN, Dublin.
ANDERSON: A divisive issue. A divisive campaign, and growing concern over the impact of social media advertising and foreign influence on this vote.
For more, Liz Carolan joins me now from Dublin. She's the co-founder of the Transparent Referendum Initiative. Just explain what that is, if you
LIZ CAROLAN, TRANSPARENT REFERENDUM INITIATIVE (via Skype): Sure, hi. Good afternoon. So, our project, it's a voluntary project. And what we're
doing is we're bringing online ads, so ad that are happening on Facebook primarily, but also across Google and other platforms into the public
domain before the vote. Sort of in real time as people are seeing them. So, that they can be exposed to the same kind of scrutiny analysis, fact
checking, source tracing that other advertising in the campaign like posters and leaflets is exposed to.
ANDERSON: Right. So, let's talk about what you found. There are documented cases of foreign groups trying to influence the vote, including
conservative American anti-abortion groups helping the no campaign. CNN's Kara Fox, one of our colleagues, spoke to a group of young Americans
recently who were officially in Ireland on holiday, but they were there to canvas Irish voters against abortion. How much impact do you think these
groups and the ads across the board have had?
CAROLAN: It's very difficult to tell the impact that they'll have. What we do know is we have some insight into their prevalence. So, our project
on Facebook alone has found 1,300 ads from 280 different groups, some of which are located overseas. Who are targeting Irish people with the
intention of influencing their opinion on this topic. And while, you know, if those overseas groups wanted to donate to campaigns happening here,
that's prohibited by law.
[11:25:00] At the moment in Ireland and actually I think in a lot of countries are rules around elections haven't quite up with the developments
and technology, so we know, for example, right now there is a very large amount of video content, but highly produced video content, which is being
shown to people as advertisements. That in Ireland would be banned because we actually don't allow television advertising. In part because we think
it's too influential and it's too much of a way for money to sway a vote. So, we are seeing some of the activity that would not be allowed off-line
because we think it's influential and in a bad way, it is happening online right now.
ANDERSON: I guess in a bad way depends on where you stand on this issue, doesn't it? There was never any doubt that social media would be under the
spotlight in what is a highly emotive vote. We've been there before with the Brexit referendum, in the U.S. election. And this begs the question
whether in an age of social media democracy can ever be insulated from a foreign influence. From what you've seen and experienced with the project
you have been running, can it?
CAROLAN: We do -- we designate certain kinds of campaigning ads, you know, as not legitimate. That's why I say in a bad way. We don't want overseas
groups to be influencing the outcome of our referendum, and we don't want people to be able to spend unlimited amounts of money in order to influence
them. They're not the kind of things that we allow.
Our big concern when we started this project was looking at, for example, the Brexit vote. And what we've seen of this we have a deep analysis
happening of the online campaign two years after the decision has already been made. And that's now getting to the point why people are starting to
question the legitimacy of the results.
And so, what we want to make sure is that all of this information in the public domain before the vote, we only have a partial picture based on the
data we have been able to gather. Only these private companies have the full picture of what has been happening in the campaign, and they are not
sharing it with us.
ANDERSON: Well, we should be asking them, and we will. I want to let our viewers hear the views of an Irish tech journalist that we spoke to about
this topic. Stand by.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GAVIN SHERIDAN, TECHNOLOGY JOURNALISTS: Digital to me is the main battle ground now in any country, in any referendum or election campaign. Digital
is where you are going to fight it out.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ANDERSON: James Madison once decried the tyranny of the majority is an inherent weakness of direct democracy. From what you have seen in this
campaign, and I know that you've suggested on the foreign influence, the foreign support for ads, we should be asking the private companies
themselves, and we will. But just personally, do you feel that a digital fair fight is possible or are we looking at new tyranny in what is a
CAROLAN: I think it certainly is possible. We've seen some incredibly empowering and amazing things happening online. In fact, back at the
beginning of the campaign the majority of ads that we saw were for things like fundraising events, getting people together, organizing, and we've
seen that this referendum has really only come about because of that kind of grassroots organizing. Which has been enabled through social media.
My main problem is that it's not transparent. That we have no idea really what's happening. We can't see the money that's being spent. We can't see
them. We can't information. We can't check whether it's true or not. A first step, a kind of minimum step is can we bring in mandate by
government, not self-regulation, mandate transparency so that our institutions are able to see what's happening and then figure out how do we
make sure our values for referendums and elections can be applied to this really quite important mechanism for getting messages out?
ANDERSON: With that we will leave it there, but we very much appreciate you coming on for us, Liz Carolan, from the Transparent Referendum
Initiative. Thank you for your insight, and so many good articles online on the home page for you, take your pick. Including this excellent look at
the personal stories of Irish women who travel abroad to access abortion, and it's called "Irish Abortions Happen, They Just Don't Happen on Irish
Soil." A sobering look at the variety of reasons why women decide to make the trip. A lot to think about there, whatever side you are on. It's
clearly an extremely emotive topic. Let's take a little breather, shall we? Will be right back.
[11:30:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEN. ORRIN HATCH (R), UTAH: Well, how do you sustain a business model in which users don't pay for your service.
MARK ZUCKERBERG, FACEBOOK CEO: Senator, we run ads.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ANDERSON: It's the bottom of the hour, half past 7:00 here in Abu Dhabi. You're watching CONNECT THE WORLD. I'm Becky Anderson. For those of you
who are just joining us you are more than welcome. For those of you have been with us, welcome back.
One of the world's most tech savvy leaders meeting with a global giant in the tech world who we just heard there right now. The French President,
Emmanuel Macron, meeting Mark Zuckerberg, the Facebook boss just arriving at the Elysees Palace. Earlier he hosted the Facebook CEO and other tech
leaders at the Elysees Palace in Paris. It follows Zuckerberg appearance in front of European lawmakers in Brussels yesterday. Apologized for the
Facebook data leak and promised to do better in the future.
Joining me now is CNN's Melissa Bell who is in Paris. Samuel Burke is live from London. He may not have made many, if any friends amongst Europe's
lawmakers, and Samuel I want to talk to you about that in a moment. Melissa, though, first to you. What he -- and what I mean by he is Mark
Zuckerberg will surely hope to be doing today is rehabilitating his company's reputation. We believe had an attentive audience. Not least
that of the French President. What's he wanting from Facebook at this point?
MELISSA BELL, CNN PARIS CORRESPONDENT: Well, Emmanuel Macron made his intentions very clear when not just Mark Zuckerberg, but the CEOs of other
tech giants met him just before lunch and his invitation. He announcement clearly, there is no free lunch. And what he means is that he wants all at
once, Becky, to present France as a sort of tech friendly, entrepreneurial, open for business sort of country.
But he also wants to make clear -- and this was his important big message today picking up what was said in Brussels yesterday -- that he wants those
tech companies to pay more tax inside Europe. He is in favor of a digital tax on turnover for tech giants, which appears some way off for the time
being. Quite complicated for the EU to get it on its books. Emmanuel Macron will be trying to plead for that with these tech giants. Explaining
to them that he believes they should be giving back as well as taking.
He's also very keen to talk to them about the fight against fake news and the question of the protection of personal data. You know that on Friday,
Becky, the EU will introduce some of the toughest laws that the world has seen about the protection of individual data, and this visit of the tech
giants to the EU -- not just in Brussels yesterday but here in Paris -- it's all about figuring out how those new laws are going to impact them.
ANDERSON: Samuel, you were in Brussels yesterday. You're back in London. It's an easy trip these days. Mark Zuckerberg apologized to European
lawmakers, but if thought he got a pass from them, it seems he was pretty sorely mistaken, correct?
SAMUEL BURKE, CNNMONEY BUSINESS AND TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: Well, let's just thread this needle together. You started off with that sound bite of
a Senator in the United States asking an awkward question, let's say, if not easy. And then you have Europe really flexing its muscles as Melissa
just described and yesterday in Brussels. But what's interesting here is that even though the questioning was much tougher, much more poignant from
the European lawmakers, at the end of the day, Becky, the format was really a disaster.
They did all the questions first for one hour. Great questions. Following up on what Senators had asked that Mark Zuckerberg had evaded. But then
there was only about 20 minutes for Mark Zuckerberg to answer those one- hour questions in one fell swoop. People were incredibly frustrated, not with just with Mark Zuckerberg's short answers but also, with the very own
format that they chose. Let's just listen to how this frustration really started to boil over in this hearing.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ZUCKERBERG: I'll make sure that we follow-up with each of you afterwards to make sure that your specific questions get addressed, and we're going to
have someone come to do a full hearing soon to answer more of the technical questions as well. So, thank you again for inviting me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Zuckerberg, I think there was one question raised by Guy Verhofstadt and that's linked to my question, and that's the
separation of different services. And I think it's a very important question in this round, the market power of Facebook and to question if you
cross use, for example, data between Facebook and WhatsApp. So, it would be good if you say at least one word to that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would you allow users to escape targeted advertising? I mean, I asked you six yes or no questions. I got not a single answer.
And of course, well, you asked for this format, well, for a reason.
ZUCKERBERG: OK. I will make sure we follow-up and get you answers to those.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BURKE: So, Becky, the format may have been questionable, and I am being polite by putting at that way. But at the end of the day the frustrations
may not be good for Mark Zuckerberg. Maybe it would have been in his interest and the European Parliament choose a different format. Because
people walked out of there very upset. I spoke to the former prime minister of Belgium, Belgium current MEP, Guy Verhofstadt. He said, this
made him want to regulate Facebook even more, and as you and I both know and as Melissa is showing, Europe often really does flex its muscle. Puts
its money where its mouth is with these tough laws.
ANDERSON: Sure. And from the last numbers that I saw, there are certainly more Facebook users in Europe than there are in the United States, for
example. I think some 270 odd million in the States, and some 370 million in the U.K.
ANDERSON: So, Samuel, I just wonder where you think -- how much damage do you think this may or may not have done the company and what the point was.
Because this is big business. As Melissa has rightly pointed out, the day after he appears and irritates a bunch of lawmakers in Brussels, he's
touting his wares and getting vetted by businessmen and the French President alike?
BURKE: In the short term, I don't think it did very much damage. The stock was very little moved after this whole incident let's just call it in
the European Parliament yesterday. But I think in the medium to long term there actually could be some serious damage to Facebook and its revenue.
[11:40:00] Because some of the members said quite honestly directly to Mark Zuckerberg, they said, isn't it time that we start discussing whether
you're a monopoly or not. If we should start breaking up your company. If Instagram should be spun off. That of course would be a nightmare for
Facebook. But we've seen the European Parliament slap Google's wrist pretty hard, past some strict laws. I think long-term there, there could
be something that they might start working on in part because they're very frustrated with the lack of answers that they get so often from Facebook
and other tech giants.
ANDERSON: Samuel Burke is in London. Melissa is in Paris. To both of you, thank you.
We're in Abu Dhabi. This is CONNECT THE WORLD.
Coming up, eight agencies in the Democratic Republic of Congo are working to prevent an epidemic. How the fight against a deadly virus is going.
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DR. MANZIBE HILAIRE, WANGATA HOSPITAL DOCTOR (through translator): There was a vaccination campaign yesterday. I also benefited from this vaccine.
We have to keep protecting ourselves. For example, behind me you see people washing their hands. Every person coming in and out has to wash
their hands as a measure of protection. Every person who goes into the treatment center must have maximum protection and protective clothing. And
also, as we know vaccination is protection and vaccinations are appreciated.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ANDERSON: Well, that doctor there on the frontlines of the effort to stop another Ebola epidemic. Experimental vaccines are being given to
healthcare workers and those who have been in contact with infected people. Since the outbreak was declared less than a month ago, 58 cases have been
identified, 27 of which have proved fatal. UNICEF is also fighting to stem the spread of the virus. Gianfranco Rotigliano is the aide group's acting
representative in the Democratic Republic of Congo enjoys me now from the capital, Kinshasa, on the phone. You have been to Bikoro the first
outbreak site. Sir, how is the response effort at this point?
GIANFRANCO ROTIGLIANO, UNICEF REPRESENTATIVE (via phone): Well, I have been to Mbandaka and Bikoro and at this point in time we are trying to
contain the epidemic. The whole system of response to an epidemic has been put in place led by the government of DRC. We have staff that are
positioned in the capital and Mbandaka and in Bikoro. And they are all the activities that are needed for this kind of task.
[11:45:01] Meaning care of patients, tracing of contacts and communication activities for communities, vaccination, water irrigation and so on.
ANDERSON: The World Health Organization this morning, quote, we are on the epidemiological knife edge. And that the outbreak has the potential to
expand. I want to just, quickly take a look at a map for our viewers, sir. The virus in Mbandaka, a city connected to the capital where you are by the
Congo river. How concerned are you that this could spend further into urban areas, even to Kinshasa where you are?
ROTIGLIANO: Yes, I mean, that is the main worry that we all have, and this is why even though in the capital Mbandaka that is on the river, we don't
have as yet many cases, much less than what we have in the rest of the province. We are concentrating a lot of efforts there. Because there is a
lot of traffic via the river, south towards Kinshasa, and north towards other towns, important cities, like Kinshasa or (INAUDIBLE). So, the worry
is there, but the efforts are also there to try to avoid that kind of event.
ANDERSON: I want our viewers to hear from a 10-year-old Nenga's about some of the precautions then that schoolchildren are taking. Let's just have a
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NENGA MYONGO, STUDENT (through translator): We have to do this and wave and not touch people. For saying hello we should not shake hands and we
should not stand close to people. We also have to wash our hands before entering the classroom and before eating. If mom wants to cook she has to
wash her hands, and if she forgets I have to remind her. The same for my father and my brother.
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ANDERSON: Preventative measures there being followed. But there are barriers that still exist, of course, to keeping the virus contained.
We've learned that three Ebola patients slipped out of an isolation ward. All three were subsequently found. Two died and one is under observation.
Gianfranco, just describe the work that UNICEF is doing and how we might all help?
ROTIGLIANO: UNICEF is doing core business in there, and also helping in the general approach and the response with logistics and with supplies that
are common that we are providing. But supplies that are used in many activities, not just the typical UNICEF activities. What we are really
doing is an effort of communication with the communities, mobilize in communities. Because if communities cooperate, if communities are aware of
what they should do, we have many more chances to get rid of this disease.
We saw that in the epidemic in West Africa two years ago, and that was very clear. If the communities do not collaborate, then you have a big problem
in trying to contain the disease. So, this is what we do. And then of course we provide water interrogation activities. All the schools are
equipped with washing and the facilities with their monitors, so that children that go to school. Because the minister decided to keep the
schools open and I think that was a correct decision. We need to monitor those children. So, if a child comes to school and has fever, we have to
protect that child immediately and put him in a small room or in a tent that we are providing so he can be an isolation and then taking care of.
ANDERSON: OK. Gianfranco, we appreciate you coming on. UNICEF's acting representative in the Democratic Republic of Congo, out of Kinshasa for you
viewers. The last big Ebola outbreak started in March of 2014. The World Health Organization says more than 28,000 confirmed or suspected cases of
Ebola then, more than 11,000 people died. Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone were the countries hardest hit by the virus.
Response back then of governments and agencies described as catastrophically complacent and incompetent, and an avoidable tragedy that
spread while the world was simply wasn't watching. Let's not risk that happening again. Let's hope the lessons have been learned. As we've
heard, UNICEF is on the ground, on the front lines trying to contain what is a terrible virus. Their appeal is for $3.75 million in funds. If you'd
like to help their efforts had over to UNICEF.org.
[11:50:00] can make a monetary donation on their website which will make a difference. Again, that is UNICEF.org. We've connected you to a problem.
We connected you to a way to help. We're going to take a quick break. Just enough time for you to check out that website. Grab your phone, take
a look. We'll be back in a couple of minutes.
ANDERSON: Arsenal may be one of the best football teams in the world. Some people would say that. Anyway, but if recent events are anything to
go by they are among the worst at keeping secrets. Thankfully for the Gunners -- as they're known -- the cat is finally out of the bag. And that
cat is called, Unai Emery. He has unofficially been unveiled as the team's new coach. Replacing the iconic Arsene Wenger. Filling Wenger's legendary
boots will not be easy, but one Arsenal great thinks Emery is the man for the job. Amanda Davis spoke to former goalkeeper, a legend himself, David
DAVID SEAMAN, FORMER ARSENAL GOALKEEPER: Arsenal at this time wanted to do it a different way. You know, I don't think they want a manager that Scott
is much control as what Arsene had. Although, that was a good thing. You know, so I think they're going down a different route, and maybe this guy
is the man. Is the Paris Saint-Germain, you know, I think they'll be in trouble there. I think they'll be offered a new contract, strange, but,
yes, it will be interesting. Because, like I say, you know, I think Arsenal are trying to do it a different way. It will be good, and
hopefully it will be good to see a more successful Arsenal team.
AMANDA DAVIS, CNN WORLD SPORT: What is the task to fill the shoes of Arsene Wenger going to be like?
SEAMAN: I know, but this is what I've been telling everybody, you know, just be careful what you wish for. Because everybody thinks whoever comes
in is going to kick up from Arsene's level that he set. And that is a high level. And so, is going to be hard task to follow but we've got to move
on. And we've got to get back to -- we're getting left behind by quite a few big clubs. And we're finally the company on a financial level as well.
So, I think the sooner that we get some trophies in the cabinet, then we can attract the bigger players.
DAVIS: Would you want to go back there in any capacity?
SEAMAN: Good question. Yes, I would love to, actually.
ANDERSON: That's very unusual that you get a former football player saying, yes, for sure. David Seaman there. Let's go to Patrick Snell at
CNN Center. I absolutely assumed he wouldn't answer that questions. Bless him. Who is Unai Emery then?
PATRICK SNELL, CNN WORLD SPORT: Hi, Becky. A highly decorated head coach. And that seems to be the indication that Arsenal actually giving him that
head coach kind of style, that mantle if you like. But these are images from earlier on this Wednesday. There he is amid new surroundings. This
really is the end of an era, this is the end now of two decades of Arsene Wenger in charge, 22 years plus.
[11:55:00] Unai Emery, the new head coach of Arsenal football club. Well, he has got experience at winning things, Becky, he's a three-time Europa
League winner. That was with Sevilla of Spain's La Liga, around a 16 in the Champions League with Paris Saint-Germain, that was really his undoing,
that was his previous club, the French Ligue club. He couldn't get beyond the round of 16 in the Champions League. And I think paying the price for
that in a big way, because PSG almost insists upon their managers winning it. But let's hear from the man himself.
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UNAI EMERY, ARSENAL MANAGER: We'll work together and for winning (INAUDIBLE) get a new person and (INAUDIBLE). Thank you, Arsene Wenger,
for your legacy.
SNELL: He is going to be throwing himself headlong into the job, Becky. He has vowed to be working hard on his English as well. And he is famed
his meticulous preparation as well. And his detailed knowledge of all Arsenal players -- Becky.
ANDERSON: He's going to want to take that team into Champions League glory once again. It won't be next season, of course, they won't qualify. We
have got the final coming up this weekend. Thoughts?
SNELL: Yes, I mean, that's one place you won't find Arsenal. They haven't been to a final since 2006, and that's a big task for Emery to try and turn
that particular around. But I should be asking you, given your friendship with a certain Liverpool player by the name of Mo Salah. The Egyptian
really has been fundamental in taking his team, spearheading his team all the way to this final against Real Madrid. Talk about privilege access
there, Becky, we're seeing that. He is just a larger-than-life character. He plays wonderful football. I spoke to Bruce Grobbelaar, former Liverpool
keeper, he's won the European cup back in the day. He described him as a diamond. He is multi, multitalented. Liverpool trying to win their sixth
European cup. We should talk a little bit about Real Madrid briefly as well. They're trying to win it for the 13th time as well in their storied
history, and let's not forget Real -- Becky.
ANDERSON: Well, actually let's just forget them. No, no, no, let's not, because of course we're terribly, terribly good on the show and will keep
everything fair. But as Mo Salah, thank you, sir, prepares for the big game you can get up and close and personal with the star in the meantime.
Watch the exclusive interview that we had as part of the "INSIDE THE MIDDLE EAST" series. Just had to CNN.com/IME.
I'm Becky Anderson. That was CONNECT THE WORLD. And boy have we done that for you tonight. Thank you for watching. CNN continues after this.