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Guatemala's Fuego Eruption Took 69 Lives; Trump and Kim Will Just Meet and Greet on the 12th; Robert Mueller Furious with Paul Manafort; Blue Wave May End Up Red in California's Midterm Elections; Trump-Kim Talks To Be Meet And Greet; Mueller Accuses Manafort Of Witness Tampering; Guatemala Volcano Erupts Abruptly Killing At least 69; Facebook Under Fire Again; New Apple Tool Will Track Time Spent On Devices; Apple, Self-Regulation Is The Best. Aired 3-4a ET
Aired June 05, 2018 - 03:00 ET
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ROSEMARY CHURCH, HOST, CNN: Huge clouds of smoke blot out the sky as villages in Guatemala are blanketed in deadly volcanic ash.
And it might be historic but the White House is backing away from its expectations for the upcoming meeting with Kim Jong-un.
Plus--
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With Guatemala's Fuego volcano roared back to life without warning on Sunday it caught entire villages by surprise. We are just getting this new video showing the beginning of the volcano's eruption. Rivers of lava and huge volcanic clouds buried families, killing at least 69 residents. And that death toll will likely rise.
We get details now from CNN's Michael Holmes.
MICHAEL HOLMES, CORRESPONDENT, CNN: Fleeing for their lives, many on foot, residents living near Guatemala's volcano of fire say they were caught off guard.
In one village, a woman covered in ash tells emergency workers she ran as lava poured into cornfields. In another nearby town, a disturbed mother tells of her escape and her desperate search for her children.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): I left home and walked along the alley to go to the shops. When I suddenly realized the lava was coming down and seeping through the plots of land, the highway, and down next to the water tank.
It came down into the alley and up. It came right up to us. We manage to escape through the San Miguel Estate. I only managed to find two children alive last night, but my two female daughters, my grandson and my son are missing, together with my entire family.
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HOLMES: Emma to video showed people racing away from what's called pyroclastic material, a flow of ash and lava particles and vapor. Such cloud are often extremely hot and they move extremely quickly. Sometimes as fast as a commercial airliner and they can reach for kilometers away from the volcano.
Emergency workers face a roadblock of steaming lava and debris, carefully skirting the flow as they search for survivors and victims. Rescuers worked into the night recovering some people with severe injuries and a number of bodies of those who were not able to outrun the deadly eruption.
Sometimes using heavy construction equipment to clear the debris. With daylight, they carefully sift through steaming debris, hoping to recover the bodies of some of those who did not escape. All the while being threatened with more activity from the volcano, working under difficult and dangerous conditions.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): The challenge we've faced is that the volcano has been active and also working with this kind of material, which is extremely hot. That makes the work of rescuers even more difficult. Because we are talking about temperatures of about 30 degrees Celsius still felt on the ground while we work.
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HOLMES: But more volcanic activity on Monday seeing people fleeing again. Residents run down the street shouting "the lava is coming." Emergency workers also force to evacuate the area. Thousands have now been displaced from this area, emergency shelters set up where authorities are working to help people find loved ones.
Rescuers will have to continue to search for the missing and the dead as experts say the threat from the volcano of fire continues.
Michael Holmes, CNN.
CHURCH: And this video from Guatemala gives a glimmer of hope at least, a baby girl rescued from a home covered in ash. She appears to be unharmed but many other children and their parents were not as lucky but some survivors are saying they believe family members were buried alive.
So we want to get more now from our meteorologist Ivan Cabrera, who joins us again in the studio. And the images are just horrendous. People trying to flee.
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IVAN CABRERA, METEOROLOGIST, CNN: Hard to see that, though.
CHURCH: Absolutely. A little bit of hope for people. But of course we're seeing the death toll rise here, there are still so many people are missing and you need to talk about the weather and how it's going to impact this.
CABRERA: Yes. Additional dangers unfortunately coming in the form of additional eruptions but also the lahar, right, the mud flows that we have to talk about. And that does involves weather, Rosemary, when the rain hits the ash, it is not a good combination here.
[03:05:02] So let's break it down and show you what is basically the ongoing threat across the region. And it's significant additional eruptions like the ones we saw that come from the center of the volcano, that may still be a possibility.
Not as large perhaps as what we saw on Sunday hopefully but that is still there. And then there's what's already fallen that ash that is on the slopes of the volcano. When it does mix with rain and we have a lot of rain coming, it produces again a lahar, which is a mud flow, a violent mud flow. It's hot, it doesn't move as fast, but it is very destructive.
And in fact, what it does it typically comes out of the slopes of the volcano and then flows into the river beds and basically destroys anything in its path.
The interesting thing about the lahars too, is that it doesn't immediately happen. The event can happen weeks, even months after the initial event. So this is something they're going to have to watch very closely over the next few days and hopefully they can evacuate folks that are still perhaps a little bit too close to the slopes of the volcano.
There are lots of villages nestled right along the base of the mountain, which is the volcano. All right, here's the forecast. A lot of rain coming up. The rainy season is under way in Guatemala, so it's difficult to get breaks in the forecast as far as any dry weather here.
Look at this, strip of rain. That is just in the next 48 hours. And we're looking at anywhere from 100 to 150 millimeters of rainfall. And the three-day forecast is going to be the six-day and the 12-day forecast is pretty much going to be daily event of very heavy rainfall over the next few days.
And that rainfall, by the way, will be falling on what looks like at first glance, right, a snow-covered area there, but that is just the ash that the first responders, by the way, are having to at times breathe in, because they're trying to get in and save people. And now they're going to have to deal with the rain as well.
CHURCH: Yes. And we were talking about that, the fact that there are no masks.
CABRERA: Right.
CHURCH: People really need cover, complete cover, because it gets into the eyes, into the lungs and everything.
CABRERA: Yes, exactly.
CHURCH: Thank you so much, Ivan. I appreciate that.
Well, the White House is downplaying expectations for next week's off- again now on-again summit between North Korean leader Kim Jong-un and U.S. President Donald Trump.
A source tells CNN the June 12th encounter apparently will be more of a meet and greet. And just weeks after Mr. Trump tweeted the occasion could be a special moment for world peace, he's now saying it will be more of a get to know you situation.
Well, CNN international diplomatic editor Nic Robertson joins us now from Seoul in South Korea. Good to see you again, Nic. So, of course after all the initial hype and high expectations the summit is now being seen as the meet and greet.
And we're also witnessing some staff reshuffling just a week before the summit with U.S. national security adviser John Bolton sidelined, and as we reported yesterday, North Korea's top three military officials replaced by Kim Jong-un. What's going on here? What does it reveal?
NIC ROBERTSON, INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR, CNN: Well, we're beginning to learn a little bit more about how President Trump intends to handle the relationship with North Korea. He's going to give a lot of responsibility, it seems to Mike Pompeo, who has already struck up a relationship with Kim Jong-un and Kim Yong-chol who was in Washington just recently, meeting in Washington and New York meeting with Mike Pompeo.
So he's going to get a lot more responsibility. Clearly President Trump feels comfortable with that familiarity is going to deliver the sort of relationship and the ability to move things forward.
Bolton, on the other hand, seems to have put his foot in it by comparing to what he said Kim Jong-un should do this nuclear weapons which is followed essentially from the same pattern as Moammar Gaddafi in Libya. That didn't go down well with the North Koreans. So he does seem to been sidelined at the moment.
And as for those changes you're talking about in North Korea, not entirely clear what that's about. It does show there are some changes under way. These are people -- the old people in these military positions have been replaced by what's described as young loyalists, possibly to root out some corruption, possibly to shore up Kim's base while he's out of the country in Singapore for the summit. Potentially because he'd be concerned about the possibility of a coup while he's out of the country. He doesn't often travel that far.
CHURCH: Yes, indeed. And Nic Robertson, also we have learned that Kim Jong-un plans to meet with Syria's leader, Bashar al-Assad, how is that being received in the U.S. camp and what signal does it perhaps send ahead of the summit?
ROBERTSON: Sure. It really seems to send a signal that Kim is going to be that is not changing significantly. He's not sort of doing some about-turn and suddenly becoming the world's most cuddly favorite leader. Far from it. And Kim Jong-un is meeting with -- or will meet, expected to meet with President Bashar al-Assad, a man that he is believed to have supplied with chemical weapons.
[03:00:58] President Trump is taking a very tough line on Assad's use of chemical weapons has had two military strikes against Assad forces because of that reason.
So, you know, you can see quite easily how uncomfortable the juxtaposition of that announcement from North Korea and Syria would sit with the White House. But what the White House is doing, saying look, we're focused on our meeting, they're not commenting either about the fact that Kim Jong-un is expected to meet in a couple of months with President Putin of Russia either they're saying what we're focused on what we're doing and that's what we're going to do.
But the signaling at this latest stage close to the summit, does seem to be very clear, that Kim is suggesting to President Trump, I am not suddenly going to change everything just because I'm sitting in a room with you.
CHURCH: Interesting. Our Nic Robertson joining us from Seoul in South Korea, where it is 4.10 in the afternoon. Many thanks.
Well, Donald Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, insists the president will not pardon himself in the Russia investigation. Mr. Trump stirred up controversy with an early morning tweet Monday claiming he has that right.
CNN's Jim Acosta reports.
JIM ACOSTA, SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT, CNN: At the White House today there were more talking points than actual answers. When asked about the president's tweets that he has the absolute right to pardon himself, and that the appointment of the special counsel is totally unconstitutional, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders repeatedly turned to prepared responses.
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SARAH HUCKABEE-SANDERS, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Thankfully the president hasn't done anything wrong and wouldn't have any need for a pardon. Once again, thankfully the president hasn't done anything wrong and
therefore wouldn't need one.
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ACOSTA: The questions came in response to the president lawyer Rudy Giuliani, a former federal prosecutor who initially made that claim over the weekend.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you and the president's attorneys believe the president has the power to pardon himself?
He's not, but he probably does. He has no intention of pardoning himself, but he probably does.
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ACOSTA: Not only do fellow Republicans disagree.
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CHARLES GRASSLEY, (R) UNITED STATES SENATOR: If I were president of the United States and I had a lawyer that told me I could pardon myself, I think I'd hire a new lawyer.
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ACOSTA: Back in the 1970s the Justice Department wrote just before the resignation of Richard Nixon that a president cannot pardon himself, adding "no one may be a judge in his own case."
The White House also sidestepped questions about its own explanations for Donald Trump, Jr. being at Trump tower with a Russian attorney offering dirt on Hillary Clinton. At the time both the president's lawyer and Sanders said Mr. Trump did not dictate a response to the New York Times about the meeting.
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JAY SEKULOW, MEMBER, PRESIDENT TRUMP'S LEGAL TEAM: That was written by Donald Trump, Jr. and I'm sure in consultation with his lawyer. So that wasn't written by the president.
SANDERS: He certainly didn't dictate. But you know, he, like I said, he weighed in, offered suggestion like any father would do.
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ACOSTA: Now Mr. Trump's lawyers say just the opposite, telling the special counsel's office in a January letter, the president dictated a short but accurate response to the New York Times article on behalf of his son. When ask to explain her own false statement, Sanders dodged big time.
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SANDERS: This is from a letter from the outside counsel and I direct you to them. It's also pertaining to a letter from the president's outside counsel, and therefore I can't answer.
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ACOSTA: Giuliani concede at the Trump tower meeting demonstrates why the president may not ever talk to the special counsel.
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GIULIANI: This is the reason you don't let the president testify. If, you know, our recollection keeps changing.
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ACOSTA: The White House also didn't want to touch this outlandish comment from Giuliani to the Huffington Post claiming the president cannot be indicted while in office. "I don't know how you can indict while he's in office," Giuliani said, "no matter what it is. If he shot James Comey, he'd be impeached the next day. Impeach him and then you can do whatever you want to do to him."
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ACOSTA: Is that appropriate language coming from the president's outside lawyer been talking about the president shooting Jim Comey in that fashion?
SANDERS: You would have to ask Rudy Giuliani about his specific comments, but thankfully the president hasn't done anything wrong. And so we feel very comfortable in that, Josh--
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ACOSTA: I ask the follow up question.
SANDERS: Go ahead, Josh. Sorry, I'm going to keep going.
ACOSTA: Sarah, can I ask the follow up question.
SANDERS: You ask today, Jim.
ACOSTA: Another long briefing sometimes, Sarah.
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ACOSTA: One of the president's outside lawyers, Jay Sekulow released a statement to CNN about the Trump tower meeting, saying the statement and the January letter to the special counsel's office reflects our understanding of the events that occurred. But even that statement does not explain the false statements initially given to the public about the Trump tower meeting.
Jim Acosta, CNN, the White House. CHURCH: The U.S. Justice Department special counsel wants Paul
Manafort to wait in jail for his trial to start next month. Robert Mueller's office accuses the former Trump campaign manager of witness tampering and wants his bail revoked.
Manafort is charged with failing to disclose his lobbying work for a foreign government. He has pleaded not guilty. Manafort's lawyers have not responded to CNN's request for comment.
Earl Ofari Hutchinson is a political analyst and author of the book "How President Trump Will Govern" and he joins me now live from Los Angeles. Great to have you with us.
EARL OFARI HUTCHINSON, POLITICAL ANALYST: My pleasure.
[03:14:59] CHURCH: So a lot to cover, of course. Let's start with this news that Robert Mueller's office accuses former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort of witness tampering. What are the ramifications of this development, not only for Manafort himself, of course, but for the president?
HUTCHINSON: Well, I think they're very, very severe. Let's talk about Manafort first. What Robert Mueller has done all along is he's done after some of the principals around Trump. And he's very clear what he wants to do. He wants one, to build a case.
I mean, in the larger sense, really, they're just pawns in a bigger game. The name of the game is Trump what did he know, when did he know, and what did he do but you have to build the case to do this. So Manafort is certainly an important part of that.
Now, it's often been said is, can he flip Manafort? Mainly keep the pressure on, the charges are there, really ratchet it up to the point where Manafort perhaps will, in fact, flip on him on Trump, in this case. Flipping means that he has information that would, in fact, in some way, shape, or form, possibly incriminate Trump.
We don't know what he has. We don't anything that really could come up and develop although what Mueller has done vis-a-vis, Manafort, but nonetheless the pressure is still on.
CHURCH: Yes, we're certainly saying that. And then of course on Monday, President Trump tweeted this. "I have the absolute right to pardon myself, but why would I do that, when I have done nothing wrong?"
Now that tweet had many asking if the president believes he's actually above the law. The White House wouldn't rule out the possibility that the president might pardon himself at some point, and his lawyer Rudy Giuliani is the one of course who first raise this issue over the weekend. So what does this signal? And do you think the president believes he is above the law given he flagged this?
HUTCHINSON: Well, I don't think there's any doubt about it. I don't think he would have said it and tweeted it if he didn't believe it. What's curious is a couple of things. One, it's been pointed out as Trump said, I, him saying that I do have the power to pardon myself, but I didn't do anything.
The question is, if you didn't do anything, why do you even need to bring up the point, I have the power to pardon myself if there's in fact nothing to incriminate you.
So, it seems a bit of a contradiction. But let's go a little bit further than that. The power to pardon myself. Now when I first heard that it sounded like not a president speaking, but it did say that speaking not just someone who is above the law, but someone who actually is the law. And I think history has shown with a few examples the danger of that.
So I think that if Trump and those around him, Giuliani, think hard about that, these are the kinds of words and that's the kind of expression, the power to pardon myself, I have to tell you that at some point can come back to haunt them.
CHURCH: Earl Ofari Hutchinson, thank you so much for your analysis. We appreciate it.
HUTCHINSON: Thank you.
CHURCH: And we'll take a short break here, but still to come, U.S. voters go to the polls in primary elections in the hours ahead.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You were running in this district.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why did you dropout?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I dropped out because we had too many candidates running at the time.
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CHURCH: Find out why California's so-called jungle primary could be threatening Democrats' chances.
Plus the growing threat from Hawaii's Kilauea volcano, more earthquakes, more toxic gases and more homes destroyed.
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CHURCH: The U.S. Supreme Court has sided with a baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex couples. But the highly anticipated decision is not exactly what advocates of religious liberty were hoping for.
CNN's Jessica Schneider explains.
JESSICA SCHNEIDER, CORRESPONDENT, CNN: Justice Anthony Kennedy just three years after writing the decision that cleared the way for gay marriage nationwide, today coming down in favor of a baker in Colorado who refused to make a custom wedding cake for a same-sex couples. But the decision was narrow. It only applies to the baker in this case, Jack Phillips, and may not affect any future cases.
The couple who brought the case and married in 2012 promised a continued fight.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Today's decision means our fight against discrimination and unfair treatment will continue. We have always believed that in America you should not be turned away from a business open to the public because of who you are.
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SCHNEIDER: The couple told CNN after the Supreme Court argument in December that they first filed their complaint with the Colorado civil rights commission in 2011 to take a stand.
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DAVID MULLINS, PLAINTIFF: This case is about more than us, and it's not about cakes. It's about the right of gay people to receive equal service.
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SCHNEIDER: Baker Jack Phillips was inside his cake shop today. His lawyer spoke on his behalf, saying Phillips celebrated the narrow ruling.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The court's decision today makes very clear that the government must respect Jack Phillips' beliefs about marriage. If we want to have freedom for ourselves we have to extend to those with whom we disagree.
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SCHNEIDER: The majority of justices focused their criticism on the Colorado commission's animosity toward the baker's religious beliefs. Justice Kennedy wrote, "The commission's hostility was inconsistent with the First Amendment's guarantee that our laws be applied in a manner that is neutral towards religion.
And the opinion acknowledges that the issue is still unsettled when it comes to whether merchants may refuse may refuse certain services to gay couples on the basis of religion.
The outcome of cases like this and other circumstances must await further elaboration in the courts all in the context of recognizing that these disputes must be resolved with tolerance, without undue disrespect to sincere religious beliefs and without subjecting gay persons to indignities when they seeks goods and services in an open markets." (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JEFFREY TOOBIN, SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST, CNN: The baker claimed he was not just an ordinary business person. He was an artist, he was like a painter or a sculptor or a poet, and it would violate the First Amendment if he were forced to create a cake like a novelist would be force to write a novel.
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SCHNEIDER: Jessica Schneider, CNN, Washington.
CHURCH: Voters in California will be going to the polls in the coming day for primary ahead of this year's midterm elections. But a rule change approved by voters in 2010 could threaten Democrats' chances in November.
CNN's Miguel Marquez explains.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you with me?
MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CORRESPONDENT, CNN: California Democrats--
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MARQUEZ: -- buoyant, counting on a November blue wave and flipping several congressional seats here from Republican--
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MARQUEZ: -- to Democratic.
If a Democrat is on the ballot in November, what happens?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think if a Democrat is on the ballot in November, a Democrat wins.
MARQUEZ: But California has a jungle primary, meaning only the top two vote-getters, regardless of party, advance to the general election in November.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The fear is just that the vote gets so split that no Democrat beats a Republican.
[03:24:53] MARQUEZ: In Orange County, in adjacent an astounding 45 candidates are running for just three seats. So many are well-funded, well-organized Democrats, raising the prospect that Democratic vote could be split so much that only Republicans would then advance to the November ballot.
You were running in this district.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Correct.
MARQUEZ: Why did you drop out?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I dropped out because we had too many candidates running at the time.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Inaudible) are two of nine Democrats withdrawing from the three races, hoping to narrow the fields and improve the chances of the remaining 15 Democratic candidates.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Democrats in Harley Rouda moving us forward.
MARQUEZ: And national Democrat the DCCC weighing in, spending millions in advertising, in English and Spanish, a rarely used tactic as they try to ensure a Democrat is on the ballot in every race come November.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: DCCC is responsible for the content of this advertising.
MARQUEZ: So worried, national Democrats are even running attack ads against some Republican candidates in all three districts, trying to dampen Republican turn-out by criticizing GOP candidates for voting like Democrats.
HARLEY ROUDA, (D) CANDIDATE, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES: We're going to tough primary on June 5th.
MARQUEZ: Harley Rouda in California 48 is in a unique category, winning support from both the establishment DCCC and activist groups like indivisible.
ROUDA: All the different aspects of the party are getting behind this campaign and hopefully that will propel us to the general.
MARQUEZ: Democrats here will need more than hope.
Gil Sisneros in the 39th is banking on enormous Democratic turn-out to make the difference on primary day.
GIL SISNEROS, (D) CANDIDATE, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES: If we can get those Democrats out to vote and I think it's going to carryover, I think we're going to see good results.
MARQUEZ: Maybe. Absentee ballots in the three Orange County districts so far show more Republicans than Democrats voting.
Miguel Marquez, CNN, Orange County, California.
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CHURCH: And it's not just California that's heading to the polls. Voting begins in just a few hours in New Mexico, Montana, South Dakota, Iowa, Mississippi, Alabama, and New Jersey. All this as the Democratic Party tries to win back control of the House. Right now they are outnumbered 193 to 235.
Well, chased by lava, ash, and burning rocks, more on Guatemala's Fuego Volcano, which erupted Sunday with devastating speed and ferocity.
Plus, Jordan's prime minister has stepped down over austerity measures he supported, but protesters say that's not enough as many Jordanians are struggling to make ends meet.
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CHURCH: Welcome back to CNN Newsroom. I'm Rosemary Church. I want to update you now on the main stories we had been following this hour.
A source tells CNN, the June 12, summit between U.S. President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong-un will be more of a meet and greet. And that the goal is a broad agreement on nuclear disarmament, the details of which could take years to negotiate.
The U.S. Justice Department Special Counsel wants Paul Manafort to wait in jail for his trial to start next month. Well, Mueller's office says the former Trump campaign manager has been tampering with potential witnesses. No response from Manafort's lawyers. He is accused of failing to disclose his lobbying work for a foreign government.
At least 69 people were killed after Guatemala's Fuego volcano erupted Sunday with sudden speed and ferocity. It spewed rivers of lava and huge clouds of burning rocks volcanic ash, and hot gas. . The death toll is expected to rise as a number of families are missing.
So let's get more now from Dr. Erik Klemetti, he is an Associate Professor and Chair of Bureau Science at Denison University. Thank you so much for being with us.
ERIK KLEMETTI, ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR AND CHAIR OF BUREAU SCIENCE AT DENISON UNIVERSITY: Thank you.
CHURCH: Now, of course, many dozens of people have been killed by the eruption of Guatemala's Fuego volcano, many more are still missing and the danger is not over yet with more eruptions likely. We understand, what is your biggest concern at this time as you watch what's happening in there?
KLEMETTI: Well, I mean, at this point, the eruption -- it produced a number of these pyroclastic flows that filled the valleys with all sorts of volcanic debris, ash, and rocks and other things. So there's kind of two things, one is if we have rain, you're going to produce mud flows that can endanger people quite easily. And then if these explosions continue, we could see more of these types of hot ash flows, the pyroclastic flows coming down the valleys again. So hopefully they can get people out of harm's way.
CHURCH: Yes. Most definitely. Some people are comparing this eruption to Pompeii, Italy where a whole Roman City was buried after the catastrophic eruption of Mt. Vesuvius back in 79 A.D. Do you see those parallels? And why on this day in age do we not have any way of knowing when something like this is going to happen?
KLEMETTI: I mean, they're definitely widely similar. They have the same sort of volcanic eruption that cause the disaster in both cases, where you had, you know, hot ash and debris coming out of the volcano, kind of roaring down the side of the volcano at hundreds of kilometers per hour, and then burying everything that was in its path.
So, in that case, they're pretty similar. It is really, the trick with understanding when a volcano is going to erupt, has a lot to do with the signs it's giving, earthquakes, gases being released. And then trying to figure out how big that eruption is going to be, is it even bigger challenge. It is hard to get when, it's hard to get how big. So in this case, I think it was really was something that the size of the eruption was the most unexpected part, because Fuego is a fairly active volcano.
CHURCH: So was anyone monitoring this? Was there any early sign at all that something of this magnitude was going to happen?
KLEMETTI: Well, the Guatemala survey has instruments on Fuego, so they know what's going on with it. This is the second time it's actually erupted in 2018. The other eruption was a lot smaller. SO they keep tabs on it quite closely, but like I said, a lot of t signs that might lead to a small eruption and a large eruption could look pretty similar. So I think understanding the scale that this eruption was going to be was the part that was hard for anyone to probably predict coming into it.
CHURCH: Right. Understood. And why is this volcanic eruption so much more deadly than what we're seeing happening in Hawaii? And is it just coincidental that these two volcanoes erupted around the same time?
KLEMETTI: Yes. This is -- it is totally a coincident. And these -- around the planet at any given time, there's maybe eight to a dozen volcanoes erupting at the same time. So multiple eruptions like this are not too common and the difference here is that, in Hawaii, you had molten rock, lava flows that move maybe 100 of meters per hour, so that you can get out of the way if you are leaving there. But these pyroclastic flows on forego, move so quickly after the eruption started that you really need to be getting out of there the minute the eruption happens, otherwise you're going to get caught in its path. And it can take out buildings, it can take out bridges and it can do it all really fast and at very high temperatures. So, unlike Hawaii where you have these slow lava flows, Fuego produces these things that move a lot faster.
[03:35:14] CHURCH: Yes, incredibly different. I mean, in Hawaii, we're watching people slowly as that lava just sort of crept towards them it gave people time to evacuate and to get out of the way, we're not seeing that in Guatemala. It is devastating for people and it was just so swift, I think that is what surprised so many people. Erik Klemetti, thank you so much for joining us, we appreciate it.
KLEMETTI: Thank you.
CHURCH: Well, Jordan's Prime Minister has stepped down under pressure after the kingdom faced its largest protest in years. But his resignation has done little to address deep economic discontent among Jordanians. Demonstrators insist the governments stop a propose reform which could raise income taxes for some workers. King Abdullah has tapped a former World Bank economist to form a new government. More details now from CNN's Jomanah Karadsheh.
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JOMANAH KARADSHEH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: More taxes and high end energy prices. That is what Jordanians are protesting. Even an order by King Abdullah to freeze the price hikes was no enough. The demonstrations got bigger. While the latest round of protests began just days ago, they're the result of years of anger and frustration with the economic situation. Jordanians say they're struggling to make ends meet on legal wages. When it comes to the cost of living, Amman's the most expensive capital in the Arab world, according to the economist intelligence unit.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For the past decade or so, we had been under so much stress, so much injustice regarding taxes, every time that are meant short of the money, the fund, or the budget, they come to the people of Jordan.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Increasing the taxes, increasing the prices, with no increase in the salaries, this is not a good country that we're going through now.
KARADSHEH: The government says the slowing flow of foreign aid and the refugee crisis have been emptying out, the state coffers. When the government turned to the IMF to bank roll its spending, it came with strings attached. Severe authority measures that have infuriated the population. The controversial income tax of seems to be the final straw for most Jordanians.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's not a viable option anymore that the pockets of the poor people, of the middle class in Jordan is being targeted on a regular basis every time the government needs money.
KARADSHEH: This is not just about Jordan's economic stability. This tiny desert kingdom's role in the Middle East outsizes its small land mass. It's a U.S. friend in a difficult region where the U.S. has few allies.
It maybe the taxes that drove Jordanians to the streets, but now protests he led to the resignation of Jordan's Prime Minister, meeting just one of the demonstrators' demands. If protests continue, the list of grievances could grow longer and more rooted evolving into political demands that the Jordanian leadership may not be able to meet. Jomana Karadsheh, CNN, Istanbul.
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CHURCH: And here's another look at the country's political ups and downs. In less than 10 years, Jordan has gone through seven Prime Minister that is almost one a year. A higher turnover rate than most countries around the world.
Saudi Arabia began issuing driving licenses to women for the first time, three weeks before the kingdom plans to lift its ban on female drivers. Saudi officials say ten women were issued driving licenses on Monday. And another 2,000 will receive theirs next week. It is part of a plan by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman to reshape the economy, which includes more women in the workforce. But the U.N. is condemning the recent arrest of at least 11 women's rights activists, some of whom remain behind bars, accused of undermining the kingdom's security.
Next here CNN Newsroom, Apple's CEO, talk's cellphone addiction and what are trade war with China could mean for the cost of an iPhone.
Plus --
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: From the water, it's easy to see where lava has started to hit the ocean.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That is unreal. Can you see that?
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CHURCH: And that is a dangerous mix acid and volcanic glass particles in Hawaii. The Kilauea volcano is not taking a break, as it has consistently threaten residents for over a month now. Do stay with us.
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CHURCH: Facebook is under fire again for how it allegedly handles user's personal data. CNN Money, Samuel Burke has more on the scope of this latest controversy.
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SAMUEL BURKE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: What Facebook is defending how it shares personal data about its users with dozens of smartphone and table makers. This "New York Times" investigation revealed really the scope of Facebook's data sharing deal over the years with big companies like Apple, Microsoft, and Samsung. The agreements give some device makers access to Facebook user's education history, relationship status, work, religion, even political leanings, as well as upcoming events that Facebook user say they'll attend.
Now Facebook say it gave device makers access to this information only so they could build versions of Facebook that worked on different phone or operating systems. But what Facebook hasn't addressed is why these phone makers would need all that personal data I just listed to build those tools.
A V.P. for Facebook saying in a blog post, quote, "These partners signed agreements that prevented people's Facebook information from being used for any other purpose than to re-create Facebook-like experiences. We're not aware of any abuse by these companies." But that last line there only highlights the fact that Facebook's policy made user data vulnerable to abuse. Apple, Samsung, and Microsoft haven't immediately responded to request
for comment but since the Cambridge Analytica scandal erupted, Facebook has been under increasing scrutiny from lawmakers and regulators all around the world over its handling of user's data and the steps it takes to protect their privacy.
Now, the scandal pummeled Facebook stock, but after Mark Zuckerberg survived that series of grilling from lawmakers in United States and here in Europe, Facebook stock has since recovered to trade close to its all-time high.
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CHURCH: Samuel Burke, with that report.
Well, Starbucks' Howard Schultz may be looking to move from the coffee house to the White House. The 64 year old is stepping down as the company's executive chairman and tells "The New York Times" he is considering a run for the presidency. Schultz has been an outspoken advocate on progressive causes, including gay marriage and immigration. Under his leadership, Starbucks has offered health insurance to both full and part-time workers since 1988.
[03:45:01] Well, Apple is on the verge of becoming the first trillion dollar company. As executives showed off the newest software upgrades, Monday Apple's stock rose, pushing it closer to that milestone. CEO, Tim Cook sat down for an exclusive interview with CNN's Laurie Segall about Apple's future.
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LAURIE SEGALL, CNN SENIOR TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: Hi there, a lot of excitement today. You have over 5,000 developers here for the developer conference. This is where we hear a lot about the latest features we will see on our phones in the next coming months.
One feature in particular that was really interesting and almost unexpected was a tech addiction tool, it aim at helping us used our phone and taking control back. It's called screen time. I had the opportunity to sit down with Tim Cook who cares a lot about tech and humanity and he spoke to me specifically about this. Take a listen.
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SEGALL: You guys announced a tech addiction tool that will almost help us limit our screen time. So, what's the thinking behind that?
TIM COOK, CEO, APPLE: You know, we've never been focused on usage as a key parameter. We want people to be incredibly satisfied and empowered by our devices that we ship. But we've never wanted people to spend a lot of time on them, or all of their time on them. And yes, it's a personal thing as to how much is too much.
We thought a lot about this. And we are rolling out great tools to both make people aware of how much time they're spending and the apps that they're spending them in, but also how many times they pick up their phone, how many notifications they get, who is sending them, the notification.
SEGALL: So tell me about your own tech habit? What did you learn?
COOK: I have been using it, and I have to tell you, I thought I was fairly discipline about this, and I was wrong. When I began to get the data, I found out I was spending a lot more time than I should.
SEGALL: Like where?
COOK: I don't want to give you all the apps, but just too much. And the number of times I picked up the phone were too many.
SEGALL: What do you tell people who are worried they're addicted to their smart phones, who are worried about tech's impact on children?
COOK: I think ultimately each person has to make the decision when they get their numbers, as to what they would like to do. And I encourage everyone to look and everyone to make an informed decision and ask themselves, if they're picking up their phone 10 times an hour or 20 times an hour, maybe they could do it less. But I think the power is now shifted to the user. And that has been what Apple has always been about is giving the power from the institution to the user.
SEGALL: Strange thing, because there's this idea, who's in control, man or machine. You believe that we as human beings, we can control --
COOK: I absolutely do. I don't subscribe to the machines taking over the world. And I don't worry about that. I worry much more about people thinking like machines.
SEGALL: What do you mean?
COOK: Than machines thinking like people.
SEGALL: that is interesting. What do you mean?
COOK: I mean forgetting that humanity in things, forgetting that all of our products should be infused with humanity.
SEGALL: I get the sense that feels very personal to you, what you test said.
COOK: It does.
SEGALL: Why?
COOK: Because it is the reason why I am on the face of the earth. It makes it really personal, right, that this is the role I play.
SEGALL: Do you think that tech companies are on a position right now where they can self-regulate with some of these more sticky issues?
COOK: Generally, for me, I'm not a big fan of regulation. I think self-regulation is the best. But when it's not working, and in some cases it is not working, you have to ask yourself. So what form of regulation might be good?
SEGALL: What kind of thing you think isn't working?
COOK: Well, I think the privacy thing has gotten totally out of control. And I think most people are not aware of who is tracking them, how much they're being tracked, and sort of the large amounts of detailed data that are out there about them.
SEGALL: Can we as users just have to re-envision the idea of privacy, is it a luxury at this point?
COOK: No. To me, and we feel this very deeply. We think privacy is a fundamental human right. So that is the angle that we look at it. Privacy from an American point of view is one of these key civil liberties that define what it is to be American.
SEGALL: It's a fundamental, human right. Do you think the last year has shown that that fundamental human right could be under attack?
COOK: I think it has been under attack.
SEGALL: Just this morning, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Colorado Baker who refused to bake a cake in celebration of a same-sex couple. As a leader in the community, as Apple has, you know, what can you say stood in as it (inaudible) right, what is your reaction?
COOK: Well, I haven't read the opinion, and so I'd reserve the right to read that and deeply understand it before I comment on it. But in terms of the general topic, we believe that everybody should treat everybody else with dignity and respect.
[03:50:03] And that is how we run our company. That is what we expect of each other. And that pertains to all communities, including the LGBTQ community.
SEGALL: I know that there is this fear of the impact on consumers and will iPhone prices go up if there is an escalated trade war. Be curious to know, you said you were optimistic before. Are you still optimistic?
COOK: I am. I am very optimistic, because no one will win from that. It will be a lose-lose.
SEGALL: Do you think that if that were to occur, that iPhone prices could go up?
COOK: I don't think that iPhone will get a tariff on it is my belief. Based on what I've been told and what I see. I just don't see that.
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SEGALL: And here at this conference you have develop from over 70 different countries, so immigration is in the DNA of Apple. It's why you'll hear Tim speak very openly about immigration practices. And you know, it at a very fascinating moment in time on technology where we're talking about tech addiction, we are talking about privacy and politics. Because at this moment, technology is the under-layer to society and you very much see the CEO looking to step into a role to go beyond, you know, just tech's impact on the cool feature, but also on society. He said, you know, he has -- he feels a much larger obligation. He says it's why he is here on this earth. Back to you.
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CHURCH: Many thanks to Laurie Segall for that exclusive report.
And we are learning more about the extent of the damage caused so far by the Kilauea volcano in Hawaii. Coming up, we will get as close as we can to where lava is again pouring into the ocean. We are back with that in a moment.
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CHURCH: Welcome back, everyone, well, things are not calming down on Hawaii's big island where the Kilauea volcano has been threatening residents for weeks now. The lava has destroyed at least percent least 117 homes in the past month, covering more than 2,000 hectares of land. And there some 500 earthquake in the summit area of Kilauea just over the weekend. CNN's Scott Mclean has more now from Hawaii.
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SCOTT MCLEAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Helicopter search overhead looking for anyone stranded in the latest area in the path of lava from the Kilauea volcano. Three people had to be airlifted out over the weekend. While most people had evacuated the Kapoho vacation land area already, there's a potential for nine other people to be stranded without power, cell service or basic service. From the water, it's easy to see where lava has started to hit the ocean.
That is unreal. Can you see that?
Violent explosions turned to pure white smoke called laze. Potentially deadly mixture of gas, steam, and tiny bits of glass. The entire lava flow is a half mile wide. With hundreds of homes in its path. Caught between the lava and its final destination, right here in the Pacific.
From the air, video from the U.S. geological survey shows the lava's path, as smoke billows overhead, cutting a path through homes and neighborhoods. The darker smoke, burning homes that have already fallen prey. The lighter smoke is laze.
Even from where we are about seven or eight miles away, you can see that massive fissure in the distance that is created this massive flow of lava that is stretched for miles all the way down to the ocean.
[03:55:05] On land, the flames from the lava reducing homes to charred remains. This video shows the power of the volcano felt like people like, Lewana Jones, who lost her home last week further in land, the unforgiving lava swallowing anything it touches. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There is love there, you know and I kissed my
house goodbye when I left. I really did. Because you could feel the love in the walls.
MCLEAN: the home where she is used to entertain and raise her family engulfed in flames. But Jones says her faith and community will survive.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's just a house. It's just a house. We can rebuild the house, but our hope is puna.
MCLEAN: But the geography of this island paradise will be changed forever as Mother Nature continues to run its course. You can't see it through the smoke, but there's actually a bay behind there, maybe a couple hundred yards deep. As the lava enters the ocean, it builds up and before Kilauea is all said and done, that bay may be entirely filled in. Scott McLean, CNN, Pahoa, Hawaii.
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CHURCH: Well, the U.S. is marking a solemn anniversary, calling on China to make a full account of the crackdown in Tiananmen Square. A single man standing before a column of tanks is the iconic image of the student-led push for democracy that came to a brutal end 29 years ago. The government sent in tanks to end the protest. Hundreds, possibly thousands of unarmed protesters were killed. Though the crackdown is never spoken off in mainland China, thousands of people attend the annual vigil in Hong Kong.
Well, a kiss may just be a kiss sometimes. But not when the Philippine president is delivering it. A spokesman for Rodrigo Duterte says the president's kiss of a woman on stage was an act of endearment toward Filipino workers. Mr. Duterte had given a speech to ex-patriarch Filipinos in Seoul, South Korea. Then he invited two women on stage to give them a book in exchange for kisses. Opponents called the move misogynistic and an abuse of power.
Thank you so much for your company. I'm Rosemary Church. Remember to connect with me any time on Twitter. The news continues with Max Foster in London, next. You're watching CNN. Have a great day.
