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[18:00:00] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- immigration.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I think she had to have known that was going to happen.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good conversation. "Crime and Justice with Ashleigh Banfield is up right now.

ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HOST, HLN CRIME AND JUSTICE: Good evening, everyone, I`m Ashleigh Banfield, welcome to "Crime and Justice."

Big news tonight about the singing dancing doctor at the center of malpractice allegations. Her exclusive interview with HLN premieres today,

just as a major decision comes down about her medical license. Kyle Peltz, what happened?

KYLE PELTZ, CRIME AND JUSTICE PRODUCER: That is right. Dr. Boutte`s medical license just suspended, the day after she sat down to tell her side

of the story. She had a lot to say about those videos. But so far today nothing to say about that suspension.

BANFIELD: All right. We`ll have her words in just a moment. Thank you, Kyle.

And we`re also heading back to a suspected kidnapper`s house of horrors, where three dead women were discovered decomposing. And now we`re seeing

the grave-like digging that police have been doing for a week looking for more victims and more evidence possibly. Dave Siegel (ph) is on this

story. What else has they been able to find, do we know?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ashleigh, they were definitely looking for more remains that is for sure, even electronically scanning underground. We`ll tell you

what they`re saying about that investigation. Also this all while they await the results of the autopsies of three bodies they already have.

BANFIELD: Just imagine what those neighbors had been watching on. All right, Dave, thank you for that.

Also, he might be on the front of a romance novel at your grocery store, but this fella is also a real life bad boy. Find out why there is a brand

new hot felon hitting the small screen, just as the original hot felon is turning into a family man, I kid you not.

First, I want to take you to the Atlanta suburbs where Dr. Windell Boutte might not be reporting to work anytime soon. Because her medical license

was suspended today. The same day her much anticipated interview airs exclusively on this network. The day we finally get to hear her side of

the story.

Because Dr. Boutte is accused of botching multiple procedures with one patient reportedly hospitalized just last week. But she is also accused of

exposing her patients in two different ways. Number one, exposing them to questionable sterile practices during her operations. And number two,

exposing them online. Shooting rap videos in the operating room, showing patients half naked on the table, videos that several of those patients

said they did not consent to being shot according to their lawyer.

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WINDELL BOUTTE, MEDICAL DIRECTOR, PREMIER DERMATOLOGY AND SURGERY: Butt, butt, butt, butt.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The dermatologist recorded videos of herself singing and dancing during surgical procedures.

BANFIELD: This is an Atlanta dermatologist, Windell Boutte.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dancing doctor is more focused on singing and dancing than doing a proper procedure. She is losing focus, now you have numerous

complaints against her.

BANFIELD: Patients claimed they suffered infections, disfigurement, or even brain damage.

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BANFIELD: Well, now Dr. Boutte is speaking out, saying that the videos were actually one of her patient`s ideas and that everyone in them

consented to being in them.

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BOUTTE: Had I had the forethought and the foresight that an entity could take those innocent consented educational and celebratory videos,

misconstrue them, edit and fabricate the context, and use it for negative agendas, I would not have done it. The patients did not know the context.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: I want to bring in my panel, HLN host Mike Galanos who got that exclusive sit down interview with Dr. Boutte. An amazing job, Mike and a

lot of questions for you. And also with us, Susan Witt, she is the attorney for some of Dr. Boutte`s patients. Kristin Dolly is on the phone,

she is one of Dr. Boutte`s patient. And she says, Dr. Boutte, botched her liposuction procedure. Board certified plastic surgeon, Dr. Jon Turk, from

New York is here and defense attorney, William Brussel is here as well.

Mike Galanos, I want to begin with you. First of all, congratulations, I did not think she was going to speak publicly at all. And there you are

with a full hour and a half long sit-down interview. First and foremost her demeanor, was she on the defense or did she seem very comfortable with

everything that transpired?

MIKE GALANOS, HLN HOST: She was comfortable, Ashleigh. Her son was with her, she had an attorney with her. So, she came and she wanted to tell, as

you just mentioned, her side of the story. That was our job. We`ve heard from others. You name the topic. She was ready to defend herself.

[18:05:09] We challenged it at every turn, the one issue, obviously I told her that. I said, why are we here? You`ve got numerous complaints against

you when you`re the dancing doctor. The equation is a simple one. You are being careless and reckless, hence the complaints and she -- you said it,

she says, no, people consented. This was -- and I`m using her terminology, safe, controlled and consented. But then you have the issue of --

BANFIELD: That is a tough one.

GALANOS: Yes. Then you have the issue of a cut during the video. She said that was a specific request. So, again, trying to defend at every

turn. And we were there for a good hour and a half, Ashleigh.

BANFIELD: Well, I`ll tell you something right now. Last night, we had Latoyah Rideau on her program, she was a patient of Dr. Boutte, and I asked

her very pointedly, did you consent? After you said you saw yourself in those videos, have you ever consent it to this to being videotape, naked

and by the way, we remind our viewers, all the digitization we are showing is ours, we did that. These videos showed full nudity on the internet. We

have the respect to cover up people`s private part and I just want to play really quickly Latoyah Rideau`s reaction to that question as to whether she

consented.

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BANFIELD: That is you on the operating table. Did you ever give consent to be videotaped like that?

LATOYAH RIDEAU, PATIENT OF DR. BOUTTE: No, ma`am.

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BANFIELD: That is pretty clear and Latoyah is not of only one. Of our group today, Susan Witt, you`ve got several clients, apparently three to

four of them who had said the same thing, they have seen themselves in those videos, and they did not consent. So, at least three to four

examples now of people who directly refute what Dr. Boutte says. I want to just read the order of the summary suspension, because it`s very specific.

This is what the Georgia Composite Medical Board said about Dr. Boutte`s practice of medicine.

They said, it poses a threat, the board finds that Dr. Boutte`s continued practice of medicine poses a threat to the public health, safety and

welfare. And imperatively requires emergency action.

Mike, I -- we couldn`t get a response from her today. Her office said she can`t comment today on this newest development. But you had just wrapped

up your interview. Did you know that she immediately left your interview to find this news that she was being suspended?

GALANOS: No, that was news to us as this all played out. And it sounds like, from what you read in that four-page statement or ruling from the

Georgia Composite Medical Board what tipped things over the edge was the recent incident, a woman who went for liposuction a week ago, ends up in

the hospital with a collapsed lung, again this is according to the report and anemia due to blood loss, she is still in the hospital, Ashleigh.

BANFIELD: This is just last week, I mean, this after we started covering this story, Mike. And I`m so happy that you touched on something with her

in your interview. And it was the notion that not only is she standing by this and saying everybody consented, she is actually saying it`s had a

positive effect, that she has actually had a bump in her social media. I want to play that little excerpt where you asked her about that. Have a

look.

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GALANOS: You gained patients with the videos on YouTube, you gained more than you lost?

BOUTTE: Yes. A plethora. And the responses on -- the comments on my Instagram page they were like, hey, Dr. Boutte that was a dope video, that

was boss, can you do my -- I want this song when you do my transformation, because I know your work is going to be amazing. Let`s celebrate with my

song.

GALANOS: Nobody ever said I was going to go to you, but I saw the videos and I was like huh-uh?

BOUTTE: Never, ever, ever.

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BANFIELD: Susan Witt, you have said to us in the past that since the stories began to break in the national media and local media you`ve had

upwards, I think, of 100 or so people who`ve come out of the woodwork to, you know, and say they have complaints that are similar. And I also know

that you have spoken to the woman that Mike just referred to, the most recent case that we know of last week. He mentioned she had lipo, a breast

augmentation, and a Brazilian butt lift and within a day or so an ambulance had to take her to the hospital with a collapsed lung and blood loss.

You`ve spoken to this woman. Is she going to be a client of yours?

SUSAN WITT, ATTORNEY FOR PATIENTS OF DR. BOUTTE: Actually, she already is, Ashleigh. So I do represent her. She had a procedure done with Dr. Boutte

a week ago Wednesday. She went for post-operative follow-up the next day, she was not seen by a clinician, and by Friday evening her family had to

call 911 and she was taken to the hospital with severe anemia and a collapsed lung and she is still in the hospital.

BANFIELD: Can I ask you, I`m hearing word that this particular case, this woman last week was sort of the straw that broke the camel`s back or it had

some effect on the Georgia Composite Medical Board, because they ultimately began to act after this case came to light.

[18:10:16] But my question is, your client, were I her, I would be very angry that the act hadn`t come prior to my surgery last week, meaning I

might not have been rushed to the hospital had the board acted sooner. Is there any issue to that legally?

WITT: Well, I mean, we`re certainly looking into what possibilities these individuals have. We`re very frustrated with the board and their lack of

action over the last two years, actually, that they`ve had all of this information where not just my client who`s in the hospital from last week,

but hundreds of other women that we`ve spoken to could have avoided injury had the composite board did what they did today two years ago when they

certainly had the information and it would have been appropriate.

BANFIELD: So Dr. Turk, I want to bring you into this conversation. Full disclosure, I`m a patient of yours as well. But I find you`re very frank

in the way you talk about things, explain things to me. You always have someone in the room with us if we`re having a consultation, and it seems

like you follow things pretty much to the book, if I know the book. But I want you to watch this with me, if you will, and then give your assessment

as a colleague of this woman.

This is Dr. Windell Boutte with Mike Galanos doing this exclusive interview with her referring to the issue of her dancing with a large -- there`s no

other way to describe it, chunk of flesh that has been excised from the patient on the table. Have a look.

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GALANOS: There`s a couple women who say they did not give consent that they put an N/A, not applicable, did not consent, but yet they saw

themselves, and they`re not happy. One, where it looks one of your assistants is holding up a piece of flesh. You see that. Did you see it

at the time? What`s your reaction to it now as you see it unfold?

BOUTTE: This was actually a patient that said, Dr. Boutte, once, you know, you remove this excess piece of skin, this lap baby, you know, I want to

celebrate that. So I said, you know what -- she said just come up with a way to celebrate. That was just our way of saying you are free, you know,

of this, of this three and a half feet of skin, a foot wide, that you have been carrying and camouflaging and quite frankly drowned you of your

confidence, drained you of your confidence, and it`s gone. Hallelujah.

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BANFIELD: Dr. Turk, the reason that Dr. Boutte gives for that video of three and a half feet of skin being danced around the O.R. is that the

patient requested that? Have you ever had a patient request anything like this before?

JON TURK, M.D., BOARD-CERTIFIED PLASTIC SURGEON: I can`t say that I have. There are some requests that people want to see something that is removed

from them, or understand it better. But I don`t think I`ve ever seen or heard of a case where someone would ask for their skin to be --

BANFIELD: Danced about?

TURK: Danced about and celebrated.

BANFIELD: Can I also ask you, I just mentioned to our audience, and I don`t know how many of the videos that Dr. Boutte has that you`ve seen?

But if you go online and just watch her flip-o-gram account, every one of them is un-digitized. We`ve done this. We have protected the privacy of

these patients by digitizing the pieces of skin, digitizing their private parts. But her video showed them clearly. And she says this is at their

request. How does that sit with you knowing how patients are, especially if they`re exposed on an operating table, does that sound like something

patients would ask for, show my nudity on the internet?

TURK: No. You know, the word exposed is exactly right. I mean, no one`s more exposed than when they`re unconscious or under anesthesia on a table

being worked on by a surgeon undressed. So the idea of the decency and the privacy that patients need to be afforded is one that is very serious in

the operating room, and really in the whole medical profession.

And so it`s very disturbing, especially to see patients who are not even being operated on at the time, you know, social media is full with videos

now of procedures, but it`s very rare that they`re showing private parts and they`re showing, you know, patients that are not able to, you know,

cover themselves because they`re seemingly, you know, unconscious under anesthesia.

[18:15:07] BANFIELD: I`m going to fit in a quick break. But when I come back, Dr. Turk, I would like you to tell me a couple things about protocols

that you have witnessed to these videos. Because Dr. Boutte says I`ve done nothing wrong. And I am going to play her exact reaction to that. I`ve

done nothing wrong, there is 30 to 60 seconds of dancing, mostly toward the end of the procedure. Although we have a video of her actually cutting

someone open while dancing. I`d love to get your reaction to that. But also just the notion that there are so many things that I didn`t know as a

surgeon would know about protocols, where your hands have to be. There`s a reason that you see doctors walking around in an O.R. like this with their

hands gloved.

I`ve always wondered why they hold them up high. There`s a reason. And I want you to sort of tell me all the things that a layperson does not

realize is not part of a sterile environment when we come back after the break. That, and also we`re going to speak with Kristine Dolly about what

happened to her, and what she thinks about seeing these videos, and hearing about the revocation of this woman`s license. That is next.

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BANFIELD: We are still talking about the singing, dancing doctor who has had her medical license suspended. This all happening today as she

addresses the malpractice lawsuits that have been filed against her in an exclusive interview on this network, on HLN. Kristine Dolly, you went to

Dr. Boutte for a liposuction procedure. How did that go?

KRISTINE DOLLY, CLAIMS DOCTOR BOTCHED LIPO PROCEDURE: It did not go as planned at all. I went in for a smart liposuction and was told I would be

able to go back to work in about three days. I was in such excruciating pain I ended up on medical leave for several weeks. I felt like I had --

BANFIELD: Sorry, go ahead.

DOLLY: I`m sorry. I felt like I had third degree burns across my whole abdomen. I had bruises down to my legs. Her procedure was so aggressive

it took me months to recover.

BANFIELD: How do you feel about the reaction to all of this and Dr. Boutte`s explanations for all of this, what`s you`re feeling about what she

had to say?

DOLLY: Oh, it angers me. I feel like she is not taking any responsibility for her actions as a doctor. She is just blaming the patients, putting off

the blame on us and not taking any responsibility at all for her actions. It`s very disturbing to me.

BANFIELD: Well, when Mike, you did that interview, you were very pointed about whether she feels if she is done anything wrong. I want to play, if

I can, Mike, part of that moment with her when you point to her and say, look, this is not a good time for you. Do you have any answers for

yourself? Have a look.

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GALANOS: This has been a rough period, let`s say, with some allegations coming your way, and complaints that I`ve mentioned. Have you done the

soul searching, and thought to yourself, did I do something wrong, and what have you come up with?

BOUTTE: Yes, I`ve done the soul searching. And no, I`ve done nothing wrong.

GALANOS: And you are confident that you never look back and go, you know what, I got a little carried away with the singing and dancing and maybe I

wasn`t as focused as I needed to be on the procedures.

BOUTTE: Well, the procedures, 99 percent were done.

GALANOS: Even on that 1 percent?

BOUTTE: Even with that 1 percent no, because there were 30 to 60 seconds in the realm of what takes three to four hours of a surgery, 30 to 60

seconds, think of that. And you -- you know, you have other people monitoring, they`re on a continuous monitor, monitoring CO2, oxygen, heart

rate, blood pressure, you know, oxygen -- all of that good stuff, that is taken care of. I got that. That body on the table is my number one

concern. So if it takes me 30 seconds to predesign, pre-stage, preplan, I know exactly when to do it, hit it, done. Let`s go.

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BANFIELD: Dr. Jon Turk, 99 percent done, most of these procedures are 99 percent done. I saw something else on the internet, and I think you did

too.

TURK: Yes. There was one video in particular where Dr. Boutte is showing one side of a buttock that is been infused with solution or implanted. And

then she is talking about the other side is going to be done and she is describing, you know, showing the differences between those two.

BANFIELD: She is mid-procedure.

TURK: She is mid-procedure. Exactly -- maybe --

BANFIELD: What about this part, she is actually cutting into someone and beginning something? I mean, I don`t know if there had already been

another procedure done, but this is definitely the incision time.

TURK: Well, you know, typically cutting happens not at the end of the operation, but at the beginning of the operation. And even if there are

multiple operations, you know, this is certainly the beginning of a procedure, certainly not the end.

[18:25:00] BANFIELD: This video seemed very long to me. I mean, she starts with a very long preamble in the music, and then shakes the fleshier

part of the patient, then goes in and does this incision right here. It seems very lengthy to me. She said they`re all 30 to 60 seconds. Is there

an issue with -- I mean, are we splitting hairs by now talking about the number of seconds?

TURK: Well, you know, there`s really a feeling in surgery that the -- you know, the sooner we can get a patient off of the table and off of

anesthesia, the better. And it is one thing if there are unexpected issues or delays or procedures that need to be added, but, you know, to do this

singing and dance routine at the expense of a patient who`s had maybe a four to six-hour surgery seems to be not in line with medical thinking.

BANFIELD: Let`s turn this up. What we are hearing right now, we can hear the patient breathing.

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BOUTTE: Just a corporate contour right here. But as you can see -- all right, we`re halfway through with our Boutte build a butt workshop day.

And here you can see this side is not done yet. It`s still flaccid, muscles are not quite toned.

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BANFIELD: So Dr. Turk, right there she refutes the fact they are 99 percent done. She just said we`re halfway through and the heavy breathing,

I`m not a doctor, but to me that sounds like someone is heavily sedated, is that correct?

TURK: If not under general anesthesia, because we usually don`t have patients prone and on some type of sedation, it`s not safe for the airway.

So my guess is that they were under general anesthesia at the time.

BANFIELD: Because, I want to play this part of Mike Galanos` interview where she seems to indicate that the patients were all aware, not only does

she say the patients all consented, they chose their music, et cetera, they asked to be on the video, but that they had -- they were so aware she had

to tell them settle down now, these are my words. Listen to her words.

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BOUTTE: These videos are consented. And it is pre-discussed with the patients at what safe interval that a 30 to 60 second video can be shot.

Mostly, I would say 98 percent of them are in the post-operative period, in the recovery period. During the 30 to 60 seconds the patient loves that

song, it`s why she chose it. And I`m telling them, look, you`ve got to be still. I am going to shoot your 30 seconds, you know, because they`re

aware of what`s going on here.

And so I`m like you`ve got to stay still so I can shoot this. I`ve had patients to dance on the table with the song, because that is their song

and they want to celebrate that. And I have to say, no, you have to stay still. So it`s under safe, controlled circumstances, consented

circumstances, no harm was done, no issues with infections.

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BANFIELD: Well, that -- I find it difficult to believe that because the patient that was breathing heavily and was mid-procedure, I can`t imagine,

would be aware. I want you to go to the protocols of surgery though. I just always assumed that it`s pretty pristine, the behavior is quiet, calm.

I never assumed that while I`m under sedation this stuff is happening. But there`s stuff I don`t know. What don`t I know that is against protocol

here?

TURK: Well, sterile technique, which is required for any operating room, includes, you know, once your gown and gloves and masks are on, there are

certain rules that you cannot do. First of all, she doesn`t have a mask on, which is cardinal sin, you know, number one. And she often touches her

face or an instrument or something else in the room that is not sterile, like she is here, with a glove that is sterile. That immediately makes it

not sterile. She is also singing over an open wound, which is, you know, certainly not an intelligent idea.

BANFIELD: I`m not sure the wound is open yet, but it`s certainly an area that is about to be the operating space.

TURK: Sure.

BANFIELD: She is singing over a space.

TURK: It`s a sterile field, and it`s not a place that you want to contaminate with saliva.

BANFIELD: I had another doctor say you can`t put your hands down below your waist or low down.

TURK: yes, I mean, typically everything that happens kind of above the operating room table is safe.

BANFIELD: Not behind your back.

TURK: Not down below the operating room table or behind your back.

BANFIELD: The hands on their assistants.

TURK: There are touching parts of the gown that are partially open, which would mean they`re touching their street clothes. All of these things

would be just completely not in line with normal, accepted sterile technique in an operating room, in any state.

BANFIELD: Susan Witt, the fact that this happened today, that the, you know, the Georgia Composite Medical Board has suspended her license, he

have heard word that she wants to expedite a hearing. Do you know, "a," will this affect the cases that your clients are bringing against her? And

"b," does it mean that it`s permanent? Because this is a suspension. This is not permanent yet. I don`t know what happens after the hearing, what is

the protocol -

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[18:30:00] ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, CRIME AND JUSTICE SHOW HOST, HLN: A, will this affect the cases that your clients are bringing against her? And B,

does it mean that it`s permanent? Because this is a suspension. This is not permanent yet. I don`t know what happens after the hearing. What`s the

protocol there?

SUSAN WITT, ATTORNEY FOR PATIENTS OF DR. BOUTTE: Well, there will be a hearing and then the determination at some point will be whether or not her

license needs to be revoked or whether or not it remains suspended for some, you know, undefined period of time. There are different ways they can

try to rehabilitate a doctor so that they can return to practice.

I hope they would think long and hard before making that choice with Dr. Boutte with respect to the current lawsuits that we have and the clients

that have reached out to us over the last few weeks. We do intend to proceed with those. Those clients have a right to have their cases heard

before a jury and let a jury make a determination.

BANFIELD: Listen, I can`t thank you all enough. Mike Galanos for your great work in getting that interview, in getting those comments, and

ultimately seeing this lightning fast reaction from the Georgia Board. Susan Witt, thank you for also joining us today. Kristine Dolly, I wish you

a recovery. I am so sorry this has happened to you. Dr. Turk, thank you for your expertise. There aren`t lot of things that we can all learn about this

video and you`re the guy for it.

And I`m going to ask William Bruzzo to stay with me through the next segment, if you will, because we are getting more details tonight. From the

investigation of Stewart Weldon`s house. You might call this a house of horrors. Take a close look at his backyard. Because this is where the

police were literally digging for evidence, digging possibly for bodies, certainly digging for clues as to why three dead women were decomposing in

various areas of this home. More on the story, next.

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BANFIELD: The people who live on Page Boulevard in Springfield, Massachusetts are probably getting a little used to the police presence by

now. Because teams of investigators have been swarming a two-bedroom, two- bathroom house, conducting underground scans and apparently turning the backyard into something that looks more like a graveyard.

And the reason is, this is becoming more like a horror movie every day. The neighbors could only watch as investigators have carried body bag after

body bag out of that house, three in total, all containing mothers.

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STEFAN DAVIS, NEIGHBOR (voice-over): The first time that I smelt the stench was when Wednesday evening when the garage door was open completely.

That`s when the stench came out. And was from the garage. And it smelt like road kill or something that died on the road and was wet. And myself and

five other people was like, oh, my God, there`s a really bad smell.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Police wrapped up the search of that house today, but they have not wrapped up the investigation into the occupant of that house, Stewart

Weldon.

That continues because he`s the man who lived with those bodies before he was caught on the road with a badly beaten woman in the car, who told

police he`d held her captive, saying that he`d raped her and he`d beaten her in that very same house where those bodies were rotting.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

THERESA JENKINS, AUNT OF STEWART WELDON: We just can`t believe it because he does have a kind heart. He really does, when he`s, you know, Stewart.

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BANFIELD: With me now on the phone, Stephanie Barry, she`s a reporter for The Republican and the MassLive, also Declon Joseph, a neighbor of the

accused kidnapper, and he took video and photos of that area where those bodies were discovered. Also defense attorney William Bruzzo is still with

me.

If I can begin with you, Stephanie Barry, yes, they have stopped, perhaps, the search of that house. But there`s still a police presence there. Is

that correct?

STEPHANIE BARRY, REPORTER, THE REPUBLICAN AND MASSLIVE (via telephone): That`s correct. So the search warrant expired today, so the investigative

efforts in earnest have stopped. They`re keeping a program under around the house, but the investigation into Mr. Weldon and potential other victims

remains decidedly ongoing.

BANFIELD: Can you just explain to me, one of the neighbors who spoke with us said that he saw a body in the garage, he saw a body come out of the

house, and he saw a body, he thought, coming from the shed. And you have further information on the shed. What do you know?

BARRY (via telephone): So what I know is there -- the bodies were recovered from underneath the shed, in the house, and in the garage.

Bodies, I think, may be an overstatement.

[18:40:00] Probably a body bag is more accurate.

BANFIELD: What do you mean by that?

BARRY (via telephone): Well, I am not quite sure. So I don`t know what the neighbor told you, but I believe he probably saw police bringing out

remains from each of those sites.

BANFIELD: Meaning they weren`t complete bodies?

BARRY (via telephone): In some cases.

BANFIELD: Wow, well, that`s awfully disturbing and certainly breaking.

BARRY (via telephone): Yeah, it`s kind of disturbing. And investigators have said from early on in the investigation, they haven`t been specific,

but they have said the bodies were in various phases of decomposition.

BANFIELD: Understandably. And also just intriguing that you said under the shed, not in the shed. Do you mean buried under the shed?

BARRY (via telephone): Yes.

BANFIELD: And what about the notion that they`ve moved on to another residence where Stewart Weldon used to live. What do you know about that?

BARRY (via telephone): So what I know is they did go there. He lived there with his mother sometime ago before -- so the landlord, when we went to the

scene, told us he had met -- pardon me, he had rented a unit to the mom. But he stayed there too. Police did go there with a police dog briefly

yesterday, but it`s my understanding they didn`t find anything of note.

BANFIELD: Stand by, if you will.

BARRY (via telephone): It`s interesting that he -- sorry, go ahead.

BANFIELD: No, go ahead.

BARRY (via telephone): It`s just interesting to note that they`re expanding their search beyond the Page Boulevard address.

BANFIELD: I think it`s fascinating. But I find it also very strange they won`t comment on whether further remains have been found. They`re keeping

so close lipped on this. Declon Joseph, as a neighbor, you`ve got the best vantage point of what has been transpiring, and you`ve got videos and the

photographs as well of what the backyard looks like.

Tell me a little bit about what you`ve been watching. It sure looks like graves, but they`re not graves. These were evidence attempts, these were --

this was just excavation to see if there was anything else back there. What do you know?

DECLON JOSEPH, NEIGHBOR WHO TOOK VIDEO OF AREA WHERE BODIES WERE FOUND (via telephone): Yeah, not 100 percent sure. I know they`ve been digging for

days. I can see them digging. I can see them putting stuff into evidence bags, things like that. But the holes, I`m not 100 percent sure.

BANFIELD: Declon, can I just be clear on the last thing you just said. They were digging, you could see them digging, and could you also see them

putting something from those backyard holes into the evidence bags?

JOSEPH (via telephone): Yes, but I couldn`t say what they were putting in there, but they were putting stuff from the holes into bags.

BANFIELD: Any idea how large those bags were when they finished their task?

JOSEPH (via telephone): They were various sizes. It could be murder weapons, it could be bone fragments. A lot of different things. I`m not

sure.

BANFIELD: You couldn`t make out what it was, but it was a number of things, not just one or two things?

JOSEPH (via telephone): Yes, correct.

BANFIELD: And then also you saw this -- you saw this neighbor of yours, Stewart Weldon. Describe him for me. What did you make of him?

JOSEPH (via telephone): He was a quiet guy. He didn`t really bother nobody as far as I know. My wife had a couple things to say about him that were

negative, but I never had any interactions with him that were negative. I helped him, and he helped me out. He looked kind of strange sometimes. He

would often sit on the front porch and kind of talk to himself.

BANFIELD: What did your wife -- what negative things did your wife have to say?

JOSEPH (via telephone): She actually ran into him one time, he made comments towards her, she kind of thought it was weird. He followed her

home. But, you know, who knows? After this, it`s easy to say what we thought after the fact, but who knows what happened?

BANFIELD: She felt uncomfortable about him?

JOSEPH (via telephone): She definitely did. I came home that day and she messaged me. She said hey, the guy next door is real strange. She locks the

doors when we leave.

BANFIELD: Wow. William Bruzzo, jump in here, if you will. Three dead bodies in a house, various stages of decomposition. A brutally beaten woman

in a car. What does it take to get a murder charge? Because this has been going on for a week. I`m a little astounded.

WILLIAM BRUZZO, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It`s not looking good for Mr. Weldon. There is no doubt about it. When they find dead bodies in your backyard,

that`s quiet a bit of a strong circumstantial evidence that you might have had something to do with that.

You know, what happened was he actually got picked up on an unrelated charge three days before the police went to his home and found the bodies.

His mother, after he was already in custody, his mother reported that she smelled something and invited the police to her house. That`s where they

excavated the bodies --

BANFIELD: What does it take? Honestly, they`ve got the bodies in his home and this brutalized woman in his car, and yet no murder charge. What does

it take? I understand --

BRUZZO: I don`t think they`re in any hurry. And I think they suspect there might be more bodies out there. Might be more things to investigate.

[18:45:03] You know, they were just -- they were still digging in his backyard very recently. So who knows what else they`re going to find.

They`re in no hurry. He`s in custody. He`s actually facing two kidnapping charges currently. So he`s not getting out anytime soon. They`re going to

take their time to do the investigation correctly.

BANFIELD: I`m kind of astounded that the DA won`t even tell us if there were more remains found. I mean, that`s not compromising anything. But

listen, we`re going to have to leave it there. Certainly a lot more from to this story to come though. My thanks to Stephanie Barry and also to Declon

Joseph. William, I`m going to ask you to stand by for this next program, this next story.

If you were watching the show last night, we brought you a bizarre tale of an auntie who was having a three-year long affair with her nephew before

she knife, stabbed him in the back and killed him. Today we have a verdict.

Andira Abdelazis claims that she acted in self-defense and that her nephew, Mohammed, was physically and verbally abusive during that affair. Despite

apparently having a black eye actually in her mug shot, the fact that she stabbed Mohammed in the back, may just have swayed that jury to their

guilty decision. Aunt Andira is now facing the possibility of being sentenced to life in prison for that murder.

A family`s private tragedy goes very, very public, and now mega designer Kate Spade`s husband is speaking out for the first time about his wife`s

suicide and answering some of the wrenching questions about why a woman who had it all would take her own life.

[18:50:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: It`s not always easy to get pictures and cover stories, and I want to thank our friends at the The Daily Mail for providing these

photographs to us, this video to us. This house of horrors in Springfield is unimaginable.

And because of The Daily Mail and their photographs and providing them to us, we were able to tell you that story. They`ve been very busy today,

actually out in New York as well. I`m going to give you the pictures that they provided to us in New York. It leads me to another very sad story.

Tonight we`re starting to learn more about this perplexing death of fashion icon Kate Spade. A beautiful woman who seemingly had it all, money and

success and a happy family, before she inexplicably chose to take her own life on Monday.

Her husband, Andy, is unraveling some of the mysteries of her decision by breaking his silence about the state of their lives together and the state

of Kate`s mental health. And his words answered at least some of the questions that have seemed so confusing about this woman.

Kate was the most beautiful woman in the world, he writes. She was the kindest person I`ve ever known and my best friend for 35 years. My daughter

and I are devastated by her loss and can`t even begin to fathom life without her. We are deeply heartbroken and miss her already.

Kate suffered from depression and anxiety for many years. She was actively seeking help and working closely with her doctors to treat her disease, one

that takes far too many lives. We were in touch with her the night before and she sounded happy. There was no indication and no warning that she

would do this. It was a complete shock.

And it clearly wasn`t her. There were personal demons that she was battling. For the past 10 months, we had been living separately, but within

a few blocks of each other. Bee was living with both of us, and we saw each other or spoke every day. We ate many meals together and as a family

continued to vacation together.

Our daughter was our priority. We were not legally separated and never even discussed divorce. We were best friends, trying to work through our

problems in the best way we knew how. We were together for 35 years. We loved each other very much and simply needed a break. This is the truth.

Anything else out there right now is false.

She was actively seeking help for depression and anxiety over the last five years, seeing a doctor on a regular basis, and taking medication for both

depression and anxiety. There was no substance abuse or alcohol abuse. There were no business problems. We loved creating our businesses together.

We were co-parenting our beautiful daughter.

I have yet to see any note left behind. And I am appalled that a private message to my daughter has been so heartlessly shared with the media. My

main concern is Bee and protecting her privacy as she deals with the unimaginable grief of losing her mother. Kate loved Bee so very much.

In an unusual twist to this story and pictures from TheDailyMail.com, Andy emerged from his Park Avenue apartment this morning wearing a strange

disguise as the cameras were all outside of his front door. He mentioned nothing about that mask that he was wearing. According to local reports, he

said, do you know the meaning of privacy, before getting into a waiting car. We`ll be right back.

[18:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: One more thing for you tonight. If you have a pile of romance novels on your bedside table, you probably recognize this guy.

[19:00:01] His name is David Byers and he is a famous model for obvious reasons. He`s also known as the "Beefcake Bandit" for obvious reasons. He

is just pretty guilty to a spring of robberies --

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[19:00:00] ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HLN HOST: His name is David Buyers, and he is a famous model for obvious reasons. But he is also known as the beef

cake bandit, for obvious reasons. He just pleaded guilty to a string of robberies, including bank robbery. And he is going to be spending the next

seven years in prison. And yes, it is a familiar story. It reminded us of the original hot felon. Remember Jeremy Meeks and his sizzling hot mug

shot that launched an entire modeling career for him? Well, Mr. Meeks and his girlfriend Chloe Green just announced today that they welcomed a brand

new baby boy into the world. So he has got a whole new career going now. Also tough for little cutie.

Next hour of CRIME & JUSTICE starts right now.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD (voice-over): She says it was a patient`s idea to start shooting music videos.

DR. WINDELL BOUTTE, DANCING DOCTOR: One of the contestants asked, hey, you want to do a video after the fact, because your work is just that

beautiful, Dr. Boutte.

BANFIELD: But one video turned into many.

BOUTTE: They chose the song in most instances and want brick house because that`s I want to look like actually.

BANFIELD: And now the singing, dancing doctor --

May be singing a different tune because her medical license was just suspended, the very day her exclusive interview airs on HLN.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m thinking, wow, that looks like a botched procedure to me. As a layman you say --

BOUTTE: That was an astounding improvement on a prior alteration.

BANFIELD: So what`s Dr. Boutte got to say?

BOUTTE: These were all consented videos. They were staged. They were planned.

BANFIELD: And will she ever practice again?

BOUTTE: If it`s a way for you to celebrate your transformation and the beauty --

BANFIELD: And police wrap up their search at a Massachusetts house of horrors.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was like, oh my God, there`s a really bad smell.

BANFIELD: The home of a suspected kidnapper.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He does have a kind heart when he is, you know, Stewart.

BANFIELD: Where they just found three dead woman.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And it smelled like road kill or something that died on the road and was wet.

BANFIELD: So did they find anything else? And how did those women die?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m Kate Valentine Spade.

BANFIELD: And answers begin to emerge in the tragic suicide of an American fashion icon. What led Kate Spade to take her own life?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was a suicide note left at the scene.

BANFIELD: A flood of information from her surviving husband. And a picture perfect marriage that may have been troubled behind the scenes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She will always be remembered. And that she made an impact on so many people.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: Good evening, I`m Ashleigh Banfield.

And welcome to the second hour of CRIME & JUSTICE.

And a big day of bad news for the singing, dancing surgeon who has been advertising her tummy tucks and butt lifts with the series of homemade

music videos that makes her You Tube go. But they probably won`t bring Dr. Windell Boutte anymore clients, at least for a little while, because her

medical license was just suspended.

This all coming on the same day as her much anticipated interview airing exclusively on this network. The chance that she got to finally address

those videos as well as the malpractice lawsuits filed against her. Because she is accused of botching procedures. One woman even saying that

she was disfigured. Another allegedly saying she was brain damaged by the procedure. And yet a third patient saying she was hospitalized with a

punctured lung just last week.

But Dr. Boutte is also accused of exposing her patients in a different way, both with deviating from normal operating room protocols and literally

exposing them. Exposing their nakedness as she posted the videos online without all these blurry parts that we have added, adding to that some

patients say she filmed them without their consent.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The dermatologist recorded videos of herself singing and dancing during surgical procedures.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is an Atlanta dermatologist, Windell Boutte.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dancing doctor is more focused on singing and dancing than doing a proper procedure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s losing focus, now you have numerous complaints against her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Patients claim that they suffered infections or disfigurement or even brain damage?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

[19:05:05] BANFIELD: Tonight, Dr. Boutte is speaking out saying the videos actually started with a patient, that a patient had the idea, and that

everyone in them consented to being in them.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BOUTTE: Had I had the forethought and the foresight that an entity could take those innocent consented, educational and celebratory videos,

misconstrue them, edit and fabricate the context, and use it for negative agendas, I would not have done it. The patients did not know the context.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: I want to bring in my panel. HLN host Mike Galanos who sat down with Dr. Boutte for that incredible exclusive interview. Also Susan Witt

is the attorney for some of Dr. Boutte`s patients who are not happy with her work. Ojay Liburd claims that his mother left brain damaged after a

procedure at Dr. Boutte`s office. And board certified plastic surgeon Dr. John Turk is here in New York. And defense attorney William Bruce who

joins me as well.

So Mike Galanos, I want to begin with you. That last comment from Dr. Boutte, that she would have never done any of this if she thought that

negative entities, I`m assuming she thinks us, would have taken these videos and edited them.

And I just want to be very clear. We edited them to cover up the nudity of the patients lying what appear to be sedated on the operating table. We

did not edit them other than the way she presents them on flip-o-gram and in other videos from You Tube, et cetera. What was her demeanor like when

you spent that hour-and-a-half with her?

MIKE GALANOS, HLN HOST: She wanted to tell her side of the story. So she was confident. She had an attorney with her. Her son was with her. She

tried to defend herself. At every turn. And to that point, Ashleigh, I asked her about that. Toward the end I thought back, it is like OK, as

you`re wrapping up an interview like this, who are these negative entities, people with negative agendas? And she really didn`t answer. We had an

awkward stared down almost for a moment. And I`m not sure if she was talking about potential media, potential former patients. It was an

interesting exchange in the midst of all. That`s one where she didn`t have an answer.

But your point about these videos and this is where we start, that`s what I said. Doctor, you are known as the dancing doctor, now you have numerous

complaints. So the obvious equation is you could be reckless. And she says no, everybody consented. It was a safe, controlled environment

through all of this. What we know at least four have said no, I did not consent. I`m horrified to see what I see on video.

So it was a real back and forth. It`s one where you`re -- you remain focused as an interviewer. You try and hit her at every turn and she tried

to beat back at every turn -- Ashleigh.

BANFIELD: Well, let`s let Latoyah Rideau do some of that beating back. She was on this program last night. She was a patient of Dr. Boutte. And

I asked her the very question you and I are just talking about right now. Did she consent to being on that table? Because she found herself on the

internet in full nakedness and this was her answer.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: That`s you on the operating table. Did you ever give consent to be videotaped like that?

LATOYAH RIDEAU, DR. BOUTTE`S PATIENT: No, ma`am.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Pretty simple answer. No, ma`am. Nothing more than that.

Mike Galanos, there was another case last week after the coverage had begun, yet another woman went in for a lipo, breast augmentation and

Brazilian butt lift procedure and ended up being carted to the hospital in an ambulance. What happened?

GALANOS: That`s it. And I believe it`s a medical investigator investigated this. And it might have been the straw that broke the camel`s

back as far as Dr. Boutte having her medical license suspended. So it is May 30th, Ashleigh. You said. Liposuction, breast augmentation, Brazilian

butt lift.

The next day she goes for a post-operative visit about 2:00 in the afternoon. Does not see Dr. Boutte, sees somebody else. Then seven hours

later that night she`s having breathing issues, she has to be rushed to the ER where she has a collapsed lung, she is suffering from anemia due to

blood loss, and she is still in the hospital. So that is the latest case.

The other case as mentioned in the ruling, there are seven in all, come from 2014, 2015 and 2016. That one the most recent.

BANFIELD: So I want to play this moment where you asked her about the effect of all of this. Because the natural reaction might be that she has

lost business with all of this publicity that is not positive. And she had the opposite response. Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GALANOS: Do you think you gained patients.

BOUTTE: Yes.

GALANOS: With the videos on You Tube, you gained more than you lost.

BOUTTE: A plethora. And the responses on -- the comments on my Instagram page, Boutte, they were like, hey, Dr. Boutte, that was a dope video, that

was boss. Can you do my -- I want this song when you do my transformation. Because I know your work is going to be amazing. Let`s celebrate with my

song.

[19:10:08] GALANOS: And nobody ever said I was going to go to you but I saw the videos and I was like, no?

BOUTTE: Never, ever, ever.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So the Georgia composite medical board had this to say about the summary suspension, the board finds that Dr. Boutte`s continued practice of

medicine poses a threat to the public health, safety and welfare, and imperatively requires emergency action. Not just action, emergency action.

Ojay Liburd, your mother is not able to walk on her own. And will need care for the rest of her life. And the description that I have read is

that she suffered brain damage after procedures at Dr. Boutte`s clinic. Procedures that she wanted because she was getting married and just wanted

a couple little things to look her best for the marriage.

You have been able to see some of the comments that Dr. Boutte has made to Mike Galanos. What`s your reaction?

OJAY LIBURD, CLAIMS DOCTOR CAUSED MOM`S BRAIN DAMAGE: Well, the comments that she made, I`m kind of like just shocked because of the arrogance of

how she could just be able to say that she is doing a good job and she is just -- just having a really good time just doing it. And obviously the

results are, you know, people going into emergency rooms. Just like you said, a collapsed lung.

BANFIELD: So Ojay, one of the things that my colleague Mike Galanos did while he was sitting across from Dr. Boutte is asked whether she has ever

apologized to you and to your family. And I find the answer that she gives remarkable and intriguing, and I`m going to get your reaction to it right

after we play it. Have a look at this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GALANOS: He says you never apologized. Did you?

BOUTTE: Mike, as I stated, for 18 years in practice, nothing catastrophic, major, no lawsuits, no claims. When any one of my patients suffer any side

effect, complication, because we are talking surgery, anything goes wrong, I take it to heart. I don`t sleep at night. So you asked me, did I

apologize? Think about what I just said.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Well, what she just said is not true. There`s been at least four malpractice settlements in the last few years. Ojay, react to that.

LIBURD: She did not apologize to me at all. Matter of fact, you know, she kept on telling me that at the emergency room that my mother is going to be

fine and her son, for some reason, was wearing scrubs and was telling me that my mom was going to be fine, as if he was doing the procedure himself.

So it`s just kind of shocking to know that she`s saying this as if, like, she`s really sincere.

BANFIELD: Yes, this is, by the way, just since October of last year, these four suits that we were able to actually get from the Georgia composite

medical board.

I want to play, if I can, one of these moments, Mike Galanos, from your interview with Dr. Boutte, because a very striking video that -- I mean,

they are all striking, to see a naked person who is seemingly heavily sedated shown in this manner is disturbing to me, anyway. But this was

very disturbing, to see this surgeon and the assistants dancing around with massive pieces of flesh that had been excised off the patient. I was

fascinated to hear you question her about that, and what her response was. Let`s have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GALANOS: There`s a couple women who say they did not give consent, that they put an N/A, not applicable, or did not consent, but yet they saw

themselves, and were not happy. One where it looks like one of your assistants is holding up a piece of flesh. You see that. Did you see it

at the time? What`s your reaction now as you see it unfold?

BOUTTE: This was actually a patient that said, Dr. Boutte, once, you know, you remove this excess piece of skin, this lap baby, you know, I want to

celebrate that. So I said, you know what -- she said just come up with a way to celebrate it. That was just our way of saying you are free, you

know, of this, of this three and a half feet of skin, a foot wide, that you have been carrying, camouflaging, and quite frankly drowned you of your

confidence, drained you of your confidence. And it`s gone. Hallelujah.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

[19:15:06] BANFIELD: So the idea here is hallelujah, Mike. She is saying that the patients celebrated this, wanted this, wanted it to be videotaped,

consented to it, set it all up and let it happen. Correct?

GALANOS: That`s her take. That`s what she says. And you know, as I listened to that again, earlier when I asked her about that she said it was

during the recovery period when these videos would take place. Now we are seeing that`s clearly not in the recovery period. That is a cut, and that,

I believe, is mid-procedure.

BANFIELD: There`s a lot of stuff that`s mid-procedure. You are darn right about that.

GALANOS: Right. Exactly.

BANFIELD: So real quickly, Susan Witt, you have said to us that since this coverage began last week you have had dozens upon dozens of phone calls,

people coming out of the woodwork saying this happened to me, I`m unsatisfied, unhappy. I feel as though I have had damage but also I did

not consent to being on You Tube or on the internet. How many people said they found themselves on the internet and never consented to it?

SUSAN WITT, ATTORNEY OF DR. BOUTTE: We have had at least somewhere between four and eight patients who either saw themselves in the video or saw their

images posted on her social media without their consent. A couple of clients have said they have sent her cease and desist letters asking to

have their images taken down and she still has not taken them down.

BANFIELD: So there are lots of things that we can see that seem obvious to us, the layperson, but the person directly below me is Dr. John Turk who

knows a thing or two about an operating room.

And Dr. Turk, when we come back after the break, I want you to point out all the things that the lay person might not know is going wrong in the OR

during the singing and dancing. And as it turns out, there are many things going wrong right here.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:21:54] BANFIELD: We are still talking about Dr. Windell Boutte, the Atlanta area surgeon who documented, if that`s what you want to call this,

her procedures, and some patients` body parts too in a series of homemade music videos from the OR. But Dr. Boutte just lost her medical license, at

least temporarily. All of this as she opens up exclusive to HLN and Mike Galanos about her videos and her malpractice lawsuits as well.

My panel is back with me.

And Dr. Turk, there is one particular video that I would like you to see. But at the same time I would like you to see the answers that she gives

Mike, especially when Mike puts it to her, I mean, come on, isn`t there anything that you can see wrong with what`s going on here? Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

GALANOS: This has been a rough period, let`s say, with allegations coming your way and complaints as I have mentioned. Have you done the soul

searching and thought to yourself, did I do something wrong, and what have you come up with?

BOUTTE: Yes, I have done the soul searching. And no, I have done nothing wrong.

GALANOS: And you are confident that you never look back and go, you know what, I got a little carried away with the singing and dancing and maybe I

wasn`t as focused as I needed to be on the procedures?

BOUTTE: The procedures 99 percent were done. They were already done.

GALANOS: Even in that one percent you`re confident.

BOUTTE: Even in that one percent. No, because it`s 30 to 60 seconds, 30 to 60 seconds in the realm of what takes three to four hours of a surgery,

30 to 60 seconds, think of that. And you, you know, you have other people monitoring. They are on the continuous monitor monitoring field, oxygen,

heart rate, blood pressure, you know, oxygen, et cetera, all of that good stuff. That`s taken care of. I got that. That body on the table is my

number one concern. So if it takes me 30 seconds to pre-design, pre-stage, pre-plan, I know exactly when to do it, hit it, done, let`s go.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: OK. Dr. Turk, she says it`s only 30 to 60 seconds. I think the "cut it" video, at least our -- you know, what we Are going to show is

about 57 seconds. So clearly, it`s at the top end of that. Is there anything wrong with taking a minute out while someone is under anesthesia

to do something not surgery related?

JON TURK, M.D., BOARD-CERTIFIED PLASTIC SURGEON: Yes. I would say exactly not surgery related. There are times when things are delayed for good

reason in the operating room. But to put on a show or to dance, I don`t know any operating room in the world where that would be considered good

medical practice or accepted behavior. And the idea is to get people off the table and off anesthesia as quickly and safely as possible.

BANFIELD: And not to prolong it, especially with something sort of --

TURK: Trivial and unnecessary. I mean, you know, we all do have our -- surgeons do listen to music sometimes in the operating room. We have our

routines. But this goes, you know, well beyond, you know, acceptable behavior.

BANFIELD: She mentioned to Mike in that last little bit that it`s just 30 to 60 seconds or so, and usually it`s been 99 percent done. These

procedures are all 99 percent of them are done. It`s at the end when they are -- I have sutured them up and all the rest. And yet she herself

refutes it on her own videos. I think the video of called "build a butt," if we could play the "build a butt," she explains what she`s doing on that

one, let`s play it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

[19:25:25] BOUTTE: All right, we`re halfway through with our Boutte build a butt workshop day. And here you can see this side is not done yet. It`s

still flaccid. Muscles are not quite toned. OK, so you know it`s almost Christmas. And the build a butt --

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: OK, Dr. Turk, she says we are about halfway down, and this side`s done, and this side`s not done. And I hear very heavy breathing.

She has also said that many of these patients were awake and so awake, in fact, that she had to tell them to be still. Have a listen to her explain

the patients on the table and how awake they are given the fact we just heard all that heavy sedated breathing. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BOUTTE: These videos are consented, and it is pre-discussed with the patients at what safe interval that a 30 to 60 second video can be shot.

Mostly, I would say 98 percent of them are in the post-operative period and the recovery period. During the 30 to 60 seconds, the patient loves that

song. That`s why she chose it. And I`m telling them, look, you have got to be still. I`m going to shoot your 30 seconds, you know, because they

are aware of what`s going on here. And so, I want to kind of still so I can shoot this. I have had patients to dance on the table with their song

because that`s their song and they want to celebrate that. And I have to say no, you have to stay still. So it`s under safe, controlled

circumstances, consented circumstances. No harm was done, no issues with infections.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: OK, so much to sort through here, doctor. Number one, she says that they are awake to the point where she has to tell them to be still.

That sure didn`t sound like it with that patient breathing heavily. She says it`s the end of the procedure when I`m doing this. She explains it

herself that she`s mid-procedure. We saw her cutting into a patient during the "cut it" video. We can just play video and sound with that while you

and I are talking to prove the point. But it`s absolutely not mid- procedure, it`s at the beginning of the procedure when she cut it right into the patient.

But there`s also the notion of the sterile environment. Where are the in- fractions here that you see in a sterile environment like an OR?

TURK: So, if you just see the video that`s on now, there are people with sterile gloves on touching their face, touching parts of their body and

clothes that are not sterile. There`s one of the videos where she actually goes to adjust her mask, which is not sterile.

BANFIELD: She was just touching her face, just had her gloved hand on her face.

TURK: Yes. Which is absolutely a violation of sterile technique.

BANFIELD: Right there.

TURK: And in these types of procedures, especially, you know, these are strict sterile cases. And, you know, when people are singing and dancing

and moving their hands in areas that may not be sterile below the operating room table off to the side --

BANFIELD: So, you are saying that the hands have to stay above the operating room table, but many of these videos show the hands not only down

below, but also on their buttocks.

TURK: Yes.

BANFIELD: They are putting their hands gloved on their, what look like the street clothes. In fact, the open gown.

TURK: Yes. And much worse, you know, grabbing, you know, things in the operating room that are not sterile themselves. Immediately precludes it

from being a safe, clean, sterile case.

BANFIELD: Can I just ask you a simple question?

TURK: Sure.

BANFIELD: These women are coming in because they don`t like something on them and they want things changed. Is that the kind of woman who would say

show me naked. Take videos of my naked body and put it on the internet? Because by the way, we digitized it.

TURK: I think that would be a no. You know, most people coming in are interested in having quality work done in a safe, private, very

professional environment. And this is anything but. You know, people, you know, do have sometimes requests of music they might like to listen to.

But they certainly don`t expect to be -- end up on social media with their bodies shown and, you know really exposing --

BANFIELD: Or body parts in the case of this video.

I have to leave it there. But my thanks to all of you.

Mike Galanos, your great interview. So appreciate it.

Susan Witt, stay on top of this for us. Let us know what happens.

Ojay Liburd, our best to your mom.

LIBURD: Thank you.

BANFIELD: Dr. Jon Turk, thank you so much for your expertise.

And William Bruce (ph), I`m going ask you to stay put. I need you on the next couple of segments because we have got more details tonight from a

suspected kidnapper`s house of horrors where investigators have found so much more than just those three bodies.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[17:35:08] BANFIELD: The people who live on Page Boulevard in Springfield, Massachusetts are probably getting a little used to the police presence by

now, because teams of investigators have been swarming a two-bedroom, two- bathroom house conducting underground scans, and apparently, turning the backyard into something that looks more like a graveyard. And the reason

is, this is becoming more like a horror movie every day. The neighbors could only watch as investigators have carried body bag after body bag out

of that house, three in total, all containing mothers.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

STEFAN DAVIS, NEIGHBOR: The first time that I smelt the stench was Wednesday evening when the garage door was open completely. That`s when

the stench came out. And it was from the garage, and it smelt like road kill or something that died on the road and was wet. And myself and five

other people was like, oh my God, there`s a really bad smell.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Police wrapped up the search of that house today, but they have not wrapped up the investigation into the occupant of that house, Stewart

Weldon. That continues because he`s the man who lived with those bodies before he was caught on the road with a badly beaten woman in the car who

told police he`d held her captive, saying that he`d raped her and he`d beaten her in that very same house where those bodies were rotting.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

THERESA JENKINS, AUNT OF STEWART WELDON: We just can`t believe it because he does have a kind heart. He really does, when he`s, you know, Stewart.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: With me now on the phone, Stephanie Barry, she`s a reporter for The Republican and the MassLive, also, Declon Joseph, he`s a neighbor of

the accused kidnapper and he took video and photos of that area where those bodies were discovered, also, Defense Attorney William Bruzzo is still with

me.

If I can begin with you, Stephanie Barry, yes, they have stopped, perhaps, the search of that house. But there`s still a police presence there. Is

that correct?

STEPHANIE BARRY, REPORTER, THE REPUBLICAN AND MASSLIVE (via telephone): That`s correct. So, the search warrant expired today, so the investigative

efforts in earnest have stopped. They`re keeping a program under around the house, but the investigation into Mr. Weldon and potential other

victims remains decidedly ongoing.

BANFIELD: And can you just explain to me, one of the neighbors who spoke with us said that he saw a body in the garage, he saw a body come out of

the house, and he saw a body he thought coming from the shed. And you have further information on the shed, what do you know?

BARRY: So, what I know is there -- the bodies were recovered from underneath the shed in the house and in the garage. Bodies, I think, maybe

an overstatement. Probably a body bag is more accurate.

BANFIELD: Wait, what do you mean by that?

BARRY: Well, I am not quite sure. So, I don`t know what the neighbor told you, but I believe he probably saw police bringing out remains from each of

those sites.

BANFIELD: Meaning they weren`t complete bodies?

BARRY: In some cases.

BANFIELD: Wow, well, that`s awfully disturbing and certainly breaking.

BARRY: Yes, it`s kind of disturbing, and investigators have said, from early on in the investigation, they haven`t been specific, but they have

said the bodies were in various phases of decomposition.

BANFIELD: Understandably, and also just intriguing that you said under the shed, not in the shed. Do you mean buried under the shed?

BARRY: Yes.

BANFIELD: And what about the notion that they`ve moved on to another residence where Stewart Weldon used to live, what do you know about that?

BARRY: So, what I know is they did go there. He lived there with his mother some time ago before -- so the landlord, when we went to the scene,

told us he had met -- pardon me, he had rented a unit to the mom. But he stayed there, too. Police did go there with a police dog briefly

yesterday, but it`s my understanding they didn`t find anything of note.

BANFIELD: Stand by if you will. Yes, go ahead.

BARRY: It`s interesting to note that he -- sorry, go ahead.

BANFIELD: Go ahead -- no, go ahead.

BARRY: It`s just interesting to note that they`re expanding their search beyond the Page Boulevard address.

BANFIELD: I think it`s fascinating. But I find it also very strange they won`t comment on whether further remains have been found. They`re keeping

so close lipped on this. Declon Joseph, as a neighbor, you`ve got the best vantage point of what`s been transpiring and you`ve got videos and the

photographs as well of what the backyard looks like.

[19:40:05] Tell me a little bit about what you`ve been watching. It sure looks like graves, but they`re not graves. These are -- these were

evidence attempts, these were -- this was just excavation to see if there was anything else back there, what do you know?

DECLON JOSEPH, NEIGHBOR (via telephone): You know, I`m not 100 percent sure. I know they`ve been digging for days. I can see them digging, I can

see them putting stuff into evidence bags, things like that. But the holes, I`m not 100 percent sure.

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: So, Declon, can I just be clear on that last thing you just said. They were digging, you could see them digging, and could you also

see them putting something from those backyard holes into the evidence bags?

JOSEPH: Yes, but I couldn`t say what they were putting in there, but they were putting stuff from the holes (INAUDIBLE) into bags.

BANFIELD: Any idea how large those bags were when they were -- when they`ve finished their task?

JOSEPH: They were various sizes. It could be murder weapons, it could be bone fragments, it could be a lot of different things. I`m not sure.

BANFIELD: You couldn`t -- you couldn`t make out what it was, but it was a number of things, not just one or two things?

JOSEPH: Yes, correct.

BANFIELD: And then, also, you saw this -- you saw this neighbor of yours, Stewart Weldon, describe him for me, what did you make of him?

JOSEPH: He was a quiet guy. He didn`t really bother nobody as far as I know. My wife had a couple things to say about him that were negative, but

I never had any interactions with him that were negative. We shovelled a driveway together one day. I helped him and he helped me out. I`ve seen

him in passing. He looked kind of strange sometimes. He would often sit on the front porch and kind of talk to himself.

BANFIELD: What did you -- what did your wife -- what`s negative things did your wife have to say?

JOSEPH: She -- I think she actually ran into him one time. He made comments towards her, and she kind of thought it was weird. (INAUDIBLE) he

kind of followed her home, but, you know, who knows? After the fact -- it`s easy to say what we thought after the fact, but who knows what

happened.

BANFIELD: She felt uncomfortable about him.

JOSEPH: Yes, she definitely did. She actually came home that day and she messaged me, she said hey, the guy next door is real kind of -- is real

strange. Make sure you lock the doors when you leave, you know. But --

BANFIELD: Wow. William Bruzzo, just jump in here if you will. Three dead bodies in a house, various stages of decomposition, a brutally beaten woman

in the car caught right handed, what does it take to get a murder charge? Because this has been going on for a week. I`m a little astounded.

WILLIAM BRUZZO, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, it`s not looking good for Mr. Weldon, there`s no doubt about it. When they find dead bodies in your

backyard, that`s quite a bit of a strong circumstantial evidence that you might have had something to do with that. You know what happened was he

actually got picked up on an unrelated charge three days before the police went to his home and found the bodies. His mother -- after he was already

in custody, his mother reported that she smelled something and invited the police to her house. And that`s where they excavated the bodies.

BANFIELD: So, what does it take? I mean, honestly, they`ve got the bodies in his home, and this brutalized woman in his car, and yet no murder

charges, what does it take? Why are -- I mean, I understand you don`t charge right away

BRUZZO: Yes, I don`t think they`re in any hurry. Right

BANFIELD: So, my God.

BRUZZO: I don`t think they`re in any hurry and I think they suspect there might be more bodies out there. Might be more things to even investigate.

You know, they were just -- they were still digging in his backyard very recently, so who knows what else they`re going to find. They`re in no

hurry. He`s in custody. He`s actually facing a kidnapping charge -- two kidnapping charges currently.

BANFIELD: Yes.

BRUZZO: So, he`s not getting out anytime soon.

BANFIELD: I`m sort of --

BRUZZO: So, I think they`re going to take this time to do the investigation correctly.

BANFIELD: I`m kind of astounded that the D.A. won`t even tell us if there are more remains found. I mean, that`s not compromising anything. But

listen, we`re going to have to leave it there. Certainly, lots more to this story to come, though. My thanks to Stephanie Barry and also to

Declon Joseph. William, I`m going to ask you to stand by for this next program -- this next story.

If you were watching the show last night, we brought you a bizarre tale of an auntie who was having a three-year-long affair with her nephew before

she took a knife, stabbed him in the back and killed him. And today, we have a verdict. Andira Abdelaziz claims that she acted in self-defense and

that her nephew Mohammed was physically and verbally abusive during that affair. Despite apparently having a black eye, actually, in her mug shot,

the fact that she stabbed Mohammed in the back may just have swayed that jury to their guilty decision. Aunt Andira is now facing the possibility

of being sentenced to life in prison for that murder.

A family`s private tragedy goes very, very public, and now, mega designer Kate Spade`s husband is speaking out for the first time about his wife`s

suicide, and answering some of the wrenching questions about why a woman who had it all would take her own life.

[19:45:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: You know, in this business, it is not always easy to get pictures and cover stories, and I want to thank our friends at the Daily

Mail for having provided these photographs to us, this video to us. This house of horrors in Springfield is unimaginable, and because of the Daily

Mail and their photographs and they`re providing them to us, we were able to tell you that story. And they`ve been very busy today, actually, out in

New York as well. And I`m going to get to the pictures that they provided us in New York.

[19:50:02] But they -- it leads me to another very sad story, because, tonight, we`re starting to learn more about this perplexing death of

fashion icon Kate Spade. A beautiful woman who seemingly had it all. Money and success and a happy family before she inexplicably chose to take

her own life on Monday. Her husband Andy is unravelling some of the mysteries of her decision by breaking his silence about the state of their

lives together and the state of Kate`s mental health, and his words answer at least some of the questions that had seemed so confusing about this

woman.

"Kate was the most beautiful woman in the world, he writes. She was the kindest person I`ve ever known and my best friend for 35 years. My

daughter and I are devastated by her loss and can`t even begin to fathom life without her. We are deeply heart broken and miss her already. Kate

suffered from depression and anxiety for many years. She was actively seeking help and working closely with her doctors to treat her disease, one

that takes far too many lives. We were in touch with her the night before and she sounded happy. There were no indication -- there was no indication

and no warning that she would do this. It was a complete shock. And it clearly wasn`t her. There were personal demons that she was battling. For

the past ten months, we had been living separately but within a few blocks of each other. Bea was living with both of us and we saw each other or

spoke every day. We ate many meals together, and as a family, continued to vacation together. Our daughter was our priority.

We were not legally separated and never even discussed divorce. We were best friends trying to work through our problems in the best way we knew

how. We were together for 35 years, we loved each other very much and simply needed a break. This is the truth. Anything else out there right

now is false. She was actively seeking help for depression and anxiety over the last five years, seeing a doctor on a regular basis, and taking

medication for both depression and anxiety. There was no substance abuse or alcohol abuse. There were no business problems. We loved creating our

businesses together. We were co-parenting our beautiful daughter. I have yet to see any note left behind and I am appalled that a private message to

my daughter has been so heartlessly shared with the media. My main concern is Bea and protecting her privacy as she deals with the unimaginable grief

of losing her mother. Kate loved Bea so very much."

In an unusual twist to this story and in pictures from the dailymail.com, Andy immerged from his Park Avenue apartment this morning wearing a strange

disguise as the cameras were all outside of his front door. He mentioned nothing about that mask that he was wearing but according to local reports,

he said, "do you know the meaning of privacy?" before getting into a waiting car. We`ll be right back.

[19:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: Every now and then, we like to show CNN Heroes not only helping others but helping each other as well. Kakenya Ntaiya educates girls in

rural Kenya, but when her village was threatened by a problem that she couldn`t solve, she convinced other CNN Hero Harmon Parker to do what he

does best.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HARMON PARKER, CNN HERO: Many people do not understand how many people suffer in isolated regions from dangerous rivers. Children drown. Kakenya

asked me to build a bridge for her community so that children can go to school safely.

KAKENYA NTAIYA, CNN HERO: Today, we are officially opening the bridge. The community really came together. They were celebrating knowing that

this is bringing a change. It was their way of just saying thank you.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: To see how villages -- village elders decided to honor Harmon or to nominate somebody that you know that you`d like to be a CNN Hero, go to

cnnheroes.com.

I have "ONE MORE THING" for you tonight. You probably remember the original hot felon, you know, the California con whose sizzling mug shot

sent the internet, well, into flames, and it really launched the modelling career for him as well. And now, the hot felon has a friend. I want you

to meet the beef cake bandit, David Byers, a famous model whose been captured on the cover of a whole lot of romance novels like "Retribution"

and "Beard Mode." But now, he is just a super cute convicted bank robber and will be spending the next seven years in prison. As for the hot felon,

though, Jeremy Meeks and his girlfriend Chloe Green just announced today that they`ve welcomed a baby boy into their world. And what a cute mug

shot. It`s not a mug shot, that`s a baby shot. It`s so cute. Congratulations to them.

We`ll see you back here tomorrow night -- Monday night, I should say, 6:00 Eastern. Also, you can listen to our show any time. Download our podcast

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"FORENSIC FILES" begins right now.

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